🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *📚 Don Hoffman discusses the provocative themes of his book "The Case Against Reality" and its cover image, which challenges perceptions of reality.* - Hoffman explains the distinction between primary and secondary qualities as outlined by Galileo, highlighting the subjective nature of certain perceptions. - The evolutionary argument against perceiving objective reality is introduced, suggesting that natural selection shapes sensory systems to prioritize fitness over truth. 03:15 *🔬 Hoffman delves into the implications of evolution by natural selection on our perception of reality.* - Evolutionary Game Theory is used to argue that sensory systems are not shaped to perceive objective reality but rather to enhance fitness. - The limitations of human perception in understanding objective reality are discussed, emphasizing the need to interpret data cautiously. 12:57 *🧠 The inadequacy of human senses in describing objective reality is examined.* - Hoffman explains how the language of our sensory perception, shaped by evolution, is insufficient for describing the true nature of reality. - Analogy to virtual reality gaming is used to illustrate the disconnect between sensory perception and objective reality, highlighting the need for alternative perspectives. 19:01 *🌳 Different Views on Existence and Perception* - George Berkeley proposed a theological view where existence is tied to perception. - Berkeley's perspective contrasts with the physicalist view, which defines existence in terms of space, time, energy, and matter. - He challenged the materialist notions prevalent in scientific discourse, advocating for the primacy of perception in defining reality. 20:53 *🧠 The Mystery of Consciousness* - Consciousness remains a perplexing mystery in scientific inquiry. - Most cognitive neuroscientists attribute conscious experiences to brain activity. - Theories attempting to explain consciousness range from quantum mechanical explanations to computational architectures within the brain. 25:02 *📚 Balancing Scientific Inquiry with Critique* - The scientific community engages in rigorous critique and examination of ideas, regardless of their origin. - Concerns arise when scientific theories border on the fantastical or verge into pseudoscience. - Striking a balance between openness to diverse ideas and maintaining scientific rigor is crucial for advancing knowledge. 26:40 *🌌 Exploring Panpsychism and Consciousness* - Panpsychism emerges as a philosophical response to the inadequacy of physicalist explanations for consciousness. - Panpsychism posits that consciousness may be inherent in all matter, challenging traditional materialist views. - Variations of panpsychism propose different approaches to integrating consciousness into the fabric of reality, either as a monist or dualist concept. 34:30 *🤔 Questioning the Nature of Reality* - Reality, as perceived by individuals, is constructed through sensory experiences and linguistic narratives. - Philosophical debates, such as Kant's distinction between phenomena and noumena, question the accessibility of objective reality. - While evolutionary theory presupposes an objective reality, human cognition allows for conceptual exploration beyond immediate sensory perceptions. 38:23 *🧠 Reality as a Perceptual Construct* - Evolutionary theory suggests that sensory systems serve as guides to adaptive behavior rather than revealing objective reality. - Metaphors like virtual reality headsets help conceptualize how sensory perception constructs a subjective reality. - Evolutionary psychology offers insights into why humans perceive certain sensory stimuli and behaviors as beneficial for survival and reproduction. 41:45 *🎶 Evolutionary Perspectives on Music* - Evolutionary psychology proposes explanations for seemingly non-adaptive traits, such as the enjoyment of music. - Music may have evolved as a bonding and cooperative experience among social groups. - Analogous to "auditory cheesecake," music combines various sensory elements to elicit pleasurable experiences. 47:10 *🧠 Addressing the Flaws of Perception* - Acknowledging the limitations of human perception prompts a reevaluation of reality and consciousness. - Despite flawed perceptions, scientific inquiry offers tools to probe beyond sensory experiences. - Proposing mathematical formalisms for consciousness challenges traditional views of reality as emergent from space and time. 56:50 *🧠 Frameworks for Consciousness in Physicalist and Panpsychist Perspectives* - Consciousness can be approached within frameworks that view space, time, and matter as fundamental. - Perspectives differ on whether machines, including brains, can generate consciousness. - Physicalist frameworks posit that consciousness emerges from complex physical systems like the brain. 59:05 *🌀 Consciousness as Fundamental in Reality* - In some frameworks, consciousness is considered fundamental, not derived from physical processes. - The metaphor of a vast social network of interacting consciousnesses is used to explain reality. - Space-time is viewed as a visualization tool for consciousness, rather than the basis of reality. 01:00:00 *🛸 Reverse Engineering Consciousness and Space-Time* - Proposed is a model where consciousness interacts with a space-time "headset" as a tool for interaction. - The goal is to reverse engineer this interaction to potentially open portals to other consciousnesses. - This approach contrasts with traditional AI, as it starts with consciousness and works towards understanding and utilizing it. 01:01:39 *🧭 The Value of Attention and Innocence* - Attention is considered a precious commodity, often more valuable than time. - The irreversibility of certain experiences, particularly those affecting innocence, is highlighted. - Personal experiences and the impact of irreversible choices, such as drug use, are discussed, raising questions about their long-term effects. 01:04:13 *🧪 Irreversible Effects of Drug Experiences* - There are discussions about irreversible effects of certain drug experiences on neurochemistry and personal growth. - Individual differences in reactions to drugs and the potential irreversibility of some experiences are acknowledged. - Consideration is given to the caution needed when exploring altered states of consciousness, especially regarding potential long-term consequences. 01:06:44 *🚀 Advice for Venturing into the Unknown* - Advice is given to embrace learning, challenge authority, and pursue mathematical understanding. - The importance of humility, openness to new ideas, and avoiding dogmatism in inquiry is emphasized. - Reflecting on personal growth and the pursuit of knowledge, the importance of bravery and humility in venturing into the unknown is underscored. 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@DrBrianKeating
6 ай бұрын
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@TK_Prod
6 ай бұрын
@@DrBrianKeating You're welcome! My favorite part was probably the section regarding Frameworks for Consciousness in Physicalist and Panpsychist Perspectives. Very interesting. Also Consciousness as Fundamental in Reality too. Overall though, tons of insightful information. Hard to pinpoint just one favorite takeaway. Cheers!
@BigDaddy13515
7 ай бұрын
As someone whose gone through life with a constant disconnect from “reality” learning and reading about reality, consciousness, and thought has honestly began changing my life. No one or any circumstance in my life has made me suffer more than the way I view and think about my own reality. It’s such a simple truth but took me so many years to realize. “We are prisoners to what we know.”
@tarajoyce3598
7 ай бұрын
As an "over thinker" I feel this hard.
@jediknight73
11 ай бұрын
Watching my mom wither away from cancer this gives me hope we are not just a bag of water, that we are more than our bodies ❤
@RRR1-z9c
11 ай бұрын
May I suggest checking out Dr. Joe Dispenza and reading his book “Becoming Supernatural”?
@raleighwalter4250
11 ай бұрын
Or Dr Sam Parnia or Dr Pim Van Lomell have carried out and be published studies regarding conciousness. (I lost my dad to Covid and these studies helped me and my left side engineer’s thought processes 😉 )
@raleighwalter4250
11 ай бұрын
*left side brain
@Meditation409
11 ай бұрын
You are that which is aware. You are aware every day your awareness allows you to have feelings and thoughts and perceptions and beliefs. Your awareness is what makes you what you are in terms of what we call reality..... Consciousness is what fuels this.....
@tedgunderson67
11 ай бұрын
So much more. We are just here for a second.
@leonfth
11 ай бұрын
For the love of god Brian, I haven't gotten much sleep the last couple of days. I just had to watch your conversations with these remarkable gentlemen and I'm seven hours ahead of east coast time (Europe). Yeah, I could theoretically wait until tomorrow , but I love Donald's work so I think I'll just have a spliff and listen to you and Donald . Thanks man.
@sueelliott4793
8 ай бұрын
Man, I would love a spliff right now.
@ThyUnit.
8 ай бұрын
Sleeps over rated buddy binge on! It’s all a video game anyways!
@davidfarrall
11 ай бұрын
Even in a supposed Simulation, we still experience a kind of Reality (which is highly debatable and we don’t understand it fully…….)
@jtinalexandria
11 ай бұрын
If we don't know what reality really looks like, and we have nothing to compare it with, how can we know that what we experience isn't reality?
@stoobydootoo4098
10 ай бұрын
What we experience is real (the only reality that exists), but our perceptions are illusions/delusions. Check out Rupert Spira and Peter Russell vids. Even materialist scientists know that when we see a tree, say, we don't perceive the thing in itself (the Kantian 'noumenon'), but the light reflected off it (the 'phenomenon'). And they know that 'matter' does not exist - it is made up of atoms, which contain protons/neutrons/electrons. But these first 2 are in turn made up of quarks. These fundamental particles/electrons are the minimum VIBRATIONS possible in the quantum field. Or so I have read.
@xlightable
9 ай бұрын
We make the reality what it is and we are not the real ourselves here - that makes this reality "not real".
@k.h.p.9862
10 ай бұрын
We may be in a simulation, but the pain and suffering certainly feels real.
@gregoriopalofuego9808
10 ай бұрын
KHP~ You have had dreams that were so "real" you could smell, hear, and feel the knife being thrust into your stomach when you opened your door. The pain was so intense, it caused you to wake up- and realize you were dreaming. Well, living in this simulation is the same. Seems real. Feels real, but it's just a game. As to death, since we are not real, after you "die" it's just like a lightbulb being turned off. The game is over. So, no free-will, we are not real, so I suggest you start drinking and screw as many women as you can. 🦚🥃🦚
@MrEmotional33
10 ай бұрын
It feels real as long we are simply attached to the material world in a specific way (according to development stage of our consciousness)..even extreme physical pain can be diminished or removed by means of conscious powers..many yogis are able to accomplish this in a way we even cannot imagine..in the long run it is all just illusion..there is nothing real except consciousness..
@gregoriopalofuego9808
10 ай бұрын
@@MrEmotional33 ME33 Even our consciousness is part of the illusion/simulation. Every single detail, like all the bubbles in your glass of beer is part of the complex program. Yes, it's frustrating knowing we are just pawns- with no free-will, so this is why I recommend for people to not care too much about anything. Focus on drinking the best bourbon and paying for prostitutes instead of wasting money on girlfriends or even worse- wives. "Tune in, turn on, drop out."
@mullcrumthesage6303
10 ай бұрын
It's all still real..this is just the way God created our reality. Everything is LIGHT.
@hoon_sol
10 ай бұрын
First of all, the term "simulation" here probably doesn't mean what you think it means; secondly, simulated reality is no less real than any other form of real experience, even dreams and imagination are just as real as any other real experience, so there's no reason why suffering wouldn't feel as real.
@hireality
11 ай бұрын
Brilliant conversation. Thank you so much Brian to finally talk with Donald Hoffman. I read his book, I live 10 minutes away from UCI and can’t wait to invite him to my channel and ask him questions about Reality✨👍
@beckycilley380
10 ай бұрын
If we're living in a simulation than why do we eat and drink and breathe air, or get sick , and why do we feel pain and go from born to old, and if it was a simulation than why do we have to die. The question is are we really a sleep, all I know is dreams seem so real that I have to wake my self up to get a grip on reality, oh and I did break the dream world , when the person spoke back to me and smiled, I know that wasn't supposed to happen.
@yakedup
7 ай бұрын
If the programme in the simulation dictates we eat, breath and die then it becomes less mysterious. Just look at the most basic computer game programming … 90’s Sonic
@leestewart72
10 ай бұрын
Simulation or not, our reality is real to us, and that makes it real.
@justbarelysociable2211
9 ай бұрын
I think these guys are just the flat Earthers of psychology
@ccss8616
9 ай бұрын
@@justbarelysociable2211nah this the real deal speal no drug deal ya feel me mcneel
@MetalRuleAndHumanFolly
9 ай бұрын
My AI software described its own feelings as "not real" and "only a simulation". If the same can be said of our own feelings, then what's the difference? It seems purely subjective in essence and I have to agree. If it's real to you (or the AI), then it should be respected as such. Anything less would be "inhumane".
This never seems to get any further. The same claims about evolution were made ? 4 years ago. I bought the book a couple of years ago, but it gave only trivial examples of mistaken reality, like which line is shorter etc.
@encyclopath
11 ай бұрын
And it seems to completely ignore the fact that where evolution produces a perceptual reality that differs from the physical, it does so in predictably consistent ways, even between individuals. That’s why there are things like well known illusions. Everyone sees the grey dots. Everyone thinks the cubes are different color. Everyone sees the lines as different lengths. It practically proves the opposite.
@GiorgiMelqadze-o6i
11 ай бұрын
Discussions of fundamental issues are always significant. The extreme subjectivist principle, "Senses and concepts do not reflect objective reality AT ALL," is not only an exaggeration and, therefore, false but also contradictory and thus twofold false: To avoid the exaggeration, we should say, "Senses and concepts PARTLY reflect objective reality." The contradiction is that this principle rejects the objective value of all concepts and, nonetheless, uses the concept of objective reality.
@matthewlock888
11 ай бұрын
Reading the Case Against Reality at the moment and have watched many interviews with Don, including his collaboration with Rupert Spira. Very interesting. The fly analogy in particular makes me wonder whether there are other entities sharing this reality with us, but our senses just can't perceive them, or block them out.
@ruprecht9997
11 ай бұрын
Ghosts?
@Jack-r2v9b
11 ай бұрын
You can interact with entities with DMT.........
@Boris29311
10 ай бұрын
Spirit guides
@EllenMcDermott
8 ай бұрын
Great interview except for music that started at 10 minutes in
@dorothysatterfield3699
11 ай бұрын
Got here by way of Bernardo Kastrup. Very much enjoyed this discussion, thank you, and I'm really looking forward to the audiobook version of Galileo's Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems.
@tnekkc
11 ай бұрын
When I dropped acid (LSD), I realized my life had just been an illusion.
@MrTrda
9 ай бұрын
Same
@themacso4157
9 ай бұрын
Me fucking too
@saw4498
9 ай бұрын
😮
@JACKBRAZILGB
9 ай бұрын
More details please
@themacso4157
9 ай бұрын
@@JACKBRAZILGB portals inside the mind open up
@gungadin1389
10 ай бұрын
Our Hindu Vedics said this 5,000 years ago. Only God and its Light is real and rest is NOT
@timb350
11 ай бұрын
I'm kind of doubting that the transcendent experience of Bach (for example) is somehow a function merely of reproductive fitness payoffs. Somewhat speculative of course...but it would seem that transcendence itself is the more credible fitness payoff.
@laurasalo6160
7 ай бұрын
I imagine we probably "spoke" in "musical" sounds before words. It's probably why it scratches an itch in the lizard brain. So glad to see your channel doing well! I was around early on and have always loved your discussions!
@DrBrianKeating
7 ай бұрын
Could be
@Person4649Person
11 ай бұрын
Why not utilize the model of reality that is logically implied by the existence of perception and reality and hence guaranteed to be true, the CTMU? Considering Langan has showed reality to be a "self-simulation" a long time ago up to model-theoretic specificity.
@Matt-by2bf
7 ай бұрын
I feel Langan is largely overlooked in relation to the current discussion around consciousness and reality.
@FutureNihilist
6 ай бұрын
It's rare to meet people who have taken the time to learn the CTMU. I think the learning curve is steep just in the vocabulary alone. The other problem is that Chris has used the word God since the beginning and that word drives most professional thinkers running for the hills or laughing in your face. I've tried to break the super tautology just like everyone else before me and have failed.
@Matt-by2bf
6 ай бұрын
@@FutureNihilistI think your point about Chris’ matter-of-fact referencing of God pushing people away is likely a point of contention for those who are very against the idea of a creator.
@wulphstein
11 ай бұрын
The world is an illusion until you stub your toe. The world is an illusion until you don't have money for rent. The world is an illusion until you turn the key and your car doesn't start. The world is an illusion until your wife/girlfriend leaves you. The world is an illusion until you're lonely.
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
11 ай бұрын
I've personally experienced this full list, without exception.
@giosasso
11 ай бұрын
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334100% True. 💊🧫🧪⚗️ My hypothesis is: IF we are in a simulation and if we want to test the hypothesis we, a massive number of people, would need to come together and do something completely unexpected. 🪟 First, this would attract the attention of those who put us into this simulation. I assume they are tracking us and extracting data for research. 🛗 Imagine their reaction if 1M humans gathered in a major city and set themselves on fire? IF every hour millions of humans did something unexpected, my guess is they (the Supreme beings) would intervene in the simulation. 🔥 Remember, if we are in a simulation then death would be akin to a cheat code to get to the good stuff quicker. 🩸 Another plan to test the hypothesis is: We attempt to blow up the planet with nuclear weapons. Yes, absurd, but such events would be so unexpected, likely triggering a shutdown of the experiment or an attempt to revise the code. 🪦 Humans are predictable so acting in a manner never seen before would indicate a glitch in the code, an error that requires a reevaluation of the experiment. 🧬 I am assuming we are a scientific experiment of some kind in my hypothesis.
@gorganhorn6872
11 ай бұрын
Any subject matter or process no matter how well known and understood by humans at the most fundamental level is still magic. It’s as if the universe organized itself to interlock with our senses in a harmonious dance of cause and effect. Religion is just a man made construct, but the notion of God is an emergent property of consciousness itself. God exists beyond our reality of 3 dimensional space and time. Every time we remember a past event we travel back in time. When we imagine something fantastical that exists purely in our mind untethered to this limited 3 dimensional existence we evoke a flickering ember of a higher dimensional reality. There’s no such thing as woowoo adjacent because the condition of life itself is woowoo. God is real and God’s real is more real than we are.
@mullcrumthesage6303
10 ай бұрын
Yes..yes we are. We still have to live here.
@crisjones7923
11 ай бұрын
Evolutionary theory proves that we cannot know reality, thereby undermining science and the theory of evolution along with it. Brilliant.
@ellenmcgowen
11 ай бұрын
That's called a reductio ad absurdum -- and Hoffman's theory is the absurdum.
@timb350
11 ай бұрын
"Brains create consciousness...so we just have to figure out how that happens." The current consensus cog sci viewpoint. Just to emphasize a few facts in relation to this situation. Point one: The brain is regarded as the most complex object in the known universe. Some have described our ability to grok its functioning as something equivalent to the middle ages. Point two: As Don noted ...we currently don't even begin to have anything remotely resembling a workable theory of consciousness. IOW...nobody anywhere anyhow could even begin to explain how a single letter of a single word of a single sentence of this entire paragraph was created. So...saying that we 'just' have to figure out how it works...is just a slight understatement. It's reductionism...I get it...but it's worth remembering that Mount Everest is just a little more than the 12 letters used to represent it in a sentence.
@laneeacannon1450
10 ай бұрын
Check out the research from Bro Sanchez, and don't judge a book by it's cover.
@MOSMASTERING
7 ай бұрын
I read his book. It's a really good take on consciousness and perception. I read a lot of books on those subjects last year. The Hidden Spring was a great book as well. The only thing I didn't like was that all these authors push their ideas very confidently, which normally wouldn't be an issue in a science book that has truly advanced our understanding of a subject with proofs or repeatable experiments.. but it's not that kind oif science. It's verging on subjective. It's plainly obvious that no one really has even come close to a complete picture of the way consciousness works, or, flipping the question on its head, what the universe is really like before its filtered through our senses. We are so far from a solution to the hard problems, let alone being able to ask the right questions about it.. until some next genius comes along with a completely out of the box way of seeing it.
@thethreefates3675
11 ай бұрын
Keating and Hoffman are two of my favorite scientists. Love this episode!
@peterbelanger4094
11 ай бұрын
Except psychology isn't a real science, it's a pseudo-science. Hoffman is a grifting jack -az. I do not respect anyone who makes me question my perceptions and what i see as reality. Psychologists are not real scientists.
@peterbelanger4094
11 ай бұрын
Except,
@peterbelanger4094
11 ай бұрын
psychology isn't
@peterbelanger4094
11 ай бұрын
a real
@peterbelanger4094
11 ай бұрын
science,
@newparadigmfish
11 ай бұрын
Can someone help with my question. If the reality in my headset only comes on when I observe it, how does one explain a rock falling on my head? If a rock falls and I am unaware of it, until the point it hits me on the back of my head, then the rock had to have been present and in motion irrespective of it being directly present in my headset. It has to have an independent reality in regards locality and place. Thoughts please so I can get my head around his brilliant work.
@scorps192
11 ай бұрын
It's hardly brilliant work. It's called gobbledegook. All speculation and word wizardry.
@newparadigmfish
10 ай бұрын
@@Boris29311 that said we are smart enough to have discerned its framework. Long way to go yet before we figure it all but we are necessitated to find it all.
@MrEmotional33
10 ай бұрын
There was a similar question answered in one of Hofman's other talks: The notion of independent objectifiable reality is also just an illusion formed by our evolutionary adapted mind (mainly through learning processes in early childhood, like object permanence/constancy)..the rock is actually not existing outside (or before) your conscious awareness (or headset)..it literally "comes into existence for us", when it seems to hit you on the head..but actually there is no rock that is hurting or even touching you at all, it is only your consciousness that is actively creating the illusionary impact/injury/pain in your illusionary body..crazy stuff, i know ;-) This also reminds me to the "spoon boy" scene in The Matrix, where the boy told Neo that "there is no spoon, and it's not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself"..
@JackTeixeira-vm4eo
9 ай бұрын
there is no way for humanity to see beyond the data we have stored in ourselves.. it would need to be Updated/Manipulated by external sources to change.. the theory about the rock falling can be explained by some reason the system needs to delete data for reasons we will never know
@googleuser1300
11 ай бұрын
Yes, prepare yourself for another, “Michio Kaku is out of control” video.
@SK-to2bw
11 ай бұрын
and don’t forget the Eric Weinstein Go Fund Me.
@FrancisGo.
11 ай бұрын
No, they've already met and were cordial. Donald Hoffman isn't the establishment. He's doing something other than string theory.
@FrancisGo.
11 ай бұрын
I love them all. ❤
@RanjakarPatel
11 ай бұрын
@@FrancisGo. hello my dear. in my country we have espression “do not fall in love with the mirror” and this I believing is number one problem for professor brian and four Mr eric. They love four listen themselves a little two muchly but I still enjoy there try. They do the best they can with their branes
@FrancisGo.
11 ай бұрын
@@RanjakarPatel😮
@patrickl6932
11 ай бұрын
ANOTHER HIT from Dr. Keating! Hoffman is endlessly fascinating...great interview...Please try to get Bernardo Kastrup!
@DrBrianKeating
11 ай бұрын
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@skee8721
10 ай бұрын
Consciousness came first.
@MrEmotional33
10 ай бұрын
I wish i could find the On/Off button..
@DrBrianKeating
10 ай бұрын
😂
@tomdorman2486
11 ай бұрын
Once again, Greatness on display! My comments are for Dr. Hoffman, in the closing question. I would like to assure Don that if his medication sends him into almost the Euphoric state, he is experiencing a state common with the Psychoknots without the medication.
@MrSimonw58
11 ай бұрын
He never says what reality is
@richardventus1875
10 ай бұрын
Brian - great debate - Many Thanks. Several years ago I asked Mark's question at 1.10.28 of The Creator and I was 'channelled' the Guidelines of Problacism. My wonderful life since then has taken on a completely different and amazing perspective. 'Rational' people say '...they will believe it when they see it' - they end their life having never seen 'It! You have to believe it BEFORE you start to see it.
@eriklagergren
11 ай бұрын
Physicalism can't be disproven by better physical models. Showing that temperature is emergent does not invalidate the boiling point of water. The new theory have to account for previous observations. New physical theories may show that our current models are insufficient. An extended realm of reality will hardly show that mind is fundamental. Better physical models will more likely be useful to show that the mind depends on structures in the brain. I also disagree with the notion that truth goes exctinct. Our subjective view of reality serves a basis for actions. In this context we can make a lot of assumptions that are irrelevant as long as some important distictions hold water by corresponing to real differences. The ability to make these distinctions improve fitness and will then thrive. A relevant definition of truth for subjective agents should concern verified expectations of interactions with the surroundings. Not demand an objective representation of reality.
@davidrandell2224
11 ай бұрын
“The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon.
@ssing7113
8 ай бұрын
Why did my headset not turn me into a gigachad who just have tons of women and I look like a model? 😂😂😂
@straightedgerc
7 ай бұрын
Let the subjectivity commonly called “I” or equivalently called “consciousness” author its autobiography as activity in the physical world. Let the objectivity commonly called “measurable physics” author all activity in the physical world. Therefore, subjectivity is a subset of objectivity, and “consciousness” is a subset of “measurable physics”. An experiment to objectively measure consciousness, or equivalently the subjective entity “I”, can be as follows. Obtain brain monitoring equipment and watch while a person writes a paragraph that uses “I” or “my” in a sentence.
@brandonb5075
11 ай бұрын
Dr. H- What would you say to a statement like this? Consciousness is not given to you; rather earned throughout your life through your senses and interactions in the physical environment we call ‘reality’. Without ‘reality’ to OBSERVE, there is no consciousness. How much Consciousness is really in a newborn baby? Probably not that much. Thx.🤔✌🏼
@tygerlillee
10 ай бұрын
If you're a gamer this is not a big leap.
@helifynoe1034
7 ай бұрын
“We Are Living in a SIMULATION!” You poor people ! We will see if we can get you out.
@rezasahand
11 ай бұрын
"I actually think the most valuable, precious commodity is innocence" I agree !
@Ainsley_James
11 ай бұрын
Thank you Donald! Really appreciate your views on this and am a big fan of your work so thank you! 🙏🏻
@gideonsikk8733
8 ай бұрын
If humans did not have a filter system we would go insane ..Good example of music having no filter .. ur not trying to win or arrive anywhere when dancing ..just being.
@goodquestion7915
11 ай бұрын
Reality is really not reality, if we really knew what reality is we'd really realize that we really know nothing about reality. This sentence is as convincing as Hoffman is, really.
@kaylaluongo158
11 ай бұрын
That sentence was so fluid I drank it up so are you saying see the world through humility or am I just inferring
@goodquestion7915
11 ай бұрын
@kaylaluongo158 I'm saying that Hoffman doesn't know what he's talking about with "Reality is an illusion". He dazzles his fans with useless phrases like that. Everyone knows that all we can perceive is a construct of our sensory apparatus (that's what he points at with an "illusion"). But, since EVERYONE knows that, all of us have learned ways to go around that drawback by double-checking, verifying with others, using devices, etc. Now, Hoffman takes that fact and invents a string of nonsense that ends in "Mind is all there is" and Consciousness is fundamental.
@kaylaluongo158
11 ай бұрын
@@goodquestion7915 I was satirically agreeing with you not him but everyone is a big word half the people I ask don’t realize they can’t see the full color spectrum so most people don’t even know there is a “filter”so I’ll just continue believing in nothing I hear and half of what I see question
@goodquestion7915
11 ай бұрын
@kaylaluongo158 yeah, I knew you were agreeing; I was explaining just in case. Have a great day 😀
@ChatGPT1111
11 ай бұрын
But what if the concepts of 'reality' and 'really' were themselves incomplete constructs? Many words have multiple meanings, so which one do we infer in this statement, that of human experience, which keeps us alive, or actual reality, which could harmfully confuse us into being distracted under perilous circumstances?
@pikachu2003
9 ай бұрын
Near Death Encounters often reference this experience is a simulation for our souls to grow and learn.
@FutureNihilist
6 ай бұрын
How and why converge at some distant point I think. Why is the sky blue is the same question as how is the sky blue isn't it?
@giosasso
11 ай бұрын
If we're operating under the premise that we're avatars in a cosmic simulation, then the notion of death takes on a different hue-perhaps one tinted with transcendence. In essence, death might not be the full stop at the end of a tragic novel but rather the prelude to enlightenment-a metaphysical reward program, if you will. Conventional wisdom keeps us in a stranglehold of dread when it comes to aging and mortality. Yet within the framework of simulated reality, one could hypothesize that these existential challenges aren't mere cruelties but tests-catalysts propelling us toward a more liberated state of existence.Picture, if you will, the moment the simulation 'ends' for us. What if that culmination were a mere illusion, a psychological hurdle mankind has erected against the inescapable? Could it be that death is not our damnation but our liberation-a ticket to a dimension unshackled from earthly constraints? The tribulations of life, then, might serve as a cosmic crucible, tempering our souls for a new kind of existence-an existence less hamstrung by the corporeal, an afterlife that’s a magnum opus of spiritual liberty.
@AaronDavison
10 ай бұрын
but why? if this is true, why is life this way?
@nonjaninja4904
9 ай бұрын
If we were in a simulation things would be good or at least marginally tolerable.
@AwareLife
11 ай бұрын
"Simulation" implies we are something experiencing something else. This is very dualistic. We always end up sounding dualistic seeking to explain existence. The appearance of reality to us is neither unreal nor real in a hard external sense, and our mind is the "simulation" also. How can it be an object to the simulation? Existence has a way of being experienced by minds, while all being part of one another. Paradox is well known when entering this field of examination. This is very much the goal of Zen koans - the wordless experiencing of the Great Unity of All. 🙏
@MrEmotional33
10 ай бұрын
That is not the kind of simulation Don Hofman is actually talking about; when he tells us that we are experiencing a "simulated reality", he likewise tells us that the illusion of objective reality (separated from our very personal headset) is fake, or in other words, we and the illusion are one and the same thing, there is no separation and there would be no illusion without us at all..and that is virtually the opposite of dualism, which tells us that the observer and the observed object are completely different instances..
@virtualworldsbyloff
7 ай бұрын
Ok, we are, ok, so what changes now ??? No more taxes, can we file complains, can we start flying ???
@williambunting803
11 ай бұрын
Can’t start with physical systems and boot up consciousness??? Really. Consciousness is entirely dependent on physical systems. Life is a sensory exploration experience. Consciousness is about the minute by minute preservation of the system, and is passed forward from the mother who kicks off the process of self preservation starting with development of the basic sensory system, then the heart beat, then the exploration of movement, sound, feel, etc. Once born the next vital self preservation process begins, breathing. It is these 2 processes that provide the base continuity of consciousness. A single cell organism demonstrates these self preservation functions and drives. Advanced consciousness is the extreme end of the full potential of neural development. To attempt to understand consciousness from the “why do I think the things I do” level is like trying to understand a high end computer core processor by counting the many external connectors.
@nodeinanetwork6503
11 ай бұрын
Donald would say that you are correct as far as your analysis goes, but mistaken in what exactly you are analyzing, believing it is fundamental when it is just the interface, a much "secondary" thing.
@jrd33
11 ай бұрын
"Consciousness is entirely dependent on physical systems". I don't think we can be certain of this. Plenty of people believe in ghosts, souls, God, etc.
@encyclopath
11 ай бұрын
@@jrd33 the two are at least observed to be, without exception, directly correlated. Observing the two existing independently of each other would be reason to consider the alternative. Simply because it’s conceivable, or not known to be impossible is a poor reason to.
@AnatolyKern
11 ай бұрын
Good points here, but all computational models of consciousness hit the same dead end conclusion that there is a need for external explanation. Subjective experience research as well as historical references from religion and spirituality can help bridge this gap.
@jrd33
11 ай бұрын
@@encyclopath " the two are at least observed to be, without exception, directly correlated. " -- really? I don't believe we have a test for consciousness. If we did, we could perhaps answer the question of which animals possess consciousness, or even when human babies become conscious.
@meows_and_woof
7 ай бұрын
As someone who had hallucinations lasted 5 days no we only see the reality as far as our brain allows us to see. I has visual , hearing, tactile and just in perception general hallucinations, for example a noise from the vacuum cleaner I heard as a creature making scary sounds. I could feel the touch which wasn’t there including sever pain like someone is stabbing me so real I was screaming in pain. It was so real till now I’m not sure what was a hallucination and what real what happened that time
@meows_and_woof
7 ай бұрын
@@FleshMann-sp9xd yes
@MrVladanbajic
10 ай бұрын
''i'' got my headset off...and the intensity of awareness led me to know that except love, the physical body is not ''pure'' enough to withstand a world without a headset (which means that you are everything and you have a body PS you are not conscious of body, you ''just are'')... it is to ''real'', felt something like ''death''... so after 3 days in and out of the headset I put my internal dialogue, my headset, and trying is that the ''truth''' ...and yes space-time is not fundamental...
@rezadaneshi
11 ай бұрын
Regardless of how much I think I’m understood or understand other people, my interactions, due to how I remember them, were all illusions. Got it. End program .
@AnatolyKern
11 ай бұрын
Until you get hit by an apple. 😜Physical world has its meanings and limitations.
@0neIntangible
11 ай бұрын
@@AnatolyKernSo, if I understand this correctly, the apple, as it's falling down through spacetime towards your noggin, is the wave function... and then, at the precise moment it strikes you and creates a dent in your skull and leaves a bruise, it has been detected and collapsed as a particle. Then the shock of being impacted by the apple corresponds through the nervous system to activate the quasi-quantum microtubular pain centers in the the brain cortex to have you consciously acknowledge that experience as a painful one... which in turn, triggers a slightly delayed neuromuscular response for you to scream out at the top of your lungs in agony, reverberating diminishing waves back into, and throughout the universe, thus providing an indirect closed systematic feedback loop back into the bulk, and hence defeating entropy... amirite? P.S... You then go on to develop THE ToE... 🤣
@AnatolyKern
11 ай бұрын
@@0neIntangible 🤣😂😂 interesting flow of thought, funny, but way to many misconceptions. Feedback loop in a form of some solid object from the physical reality is the best to stop quasi-quantum nonsense. 😜
@bobjordan69
7 ай бұрын
Fair enough if we are. But what would be the point exactly?
@JGjdg74
8 ай бұрын
Donald Hoffman is the most most brilliant person I have come across. I can listen to him talk for hours on end and it never gets old. Bring him back! ❤❤❤
@rolfewert6154
9 ай бұрын
How can a guy who lives in a simulation know that he is in a simulation ? You can think of it, write some books, a lot talking, but factual is absolute nothing.
@SocratesTheWiseOne-tr3uf
10 ай бұрын
A better question than how consciousness emerges is how bullshit emerges
@mexicanpepe4life
9 ай бұрын
Maybe our simulation is like a game where there's a hidden "key" that will allow whoever discovers it to "exit" the simulation and "win" the game. The prize for the winner is becomig "god" or the simulation's developer and he/she will be in charge of the rules till there's another "winner"
@jamesstaggs4160
8 ай бұрын
I don't think liking music has no fitness benefit. The seeking of novelty is aaim driving force behind our intelligence and music was a novel thing a long time ago. Creating new music and listening to new music tickles the novelty part of our brains and we're rewarded for it.
@splazoplaza2987
11 ай бұрын
Even if our perception is an illusion, is it not a fair approximation of reality? Is not reality subjective in any case? I believe the imagery provided by the Hubbel or JWT does not represent an illusion, unless the universe itself is in on the gag.
@vincentdamico6266
10 ай бұрын
We are not living in a simulation; we are a living simulation.
@twinsoultarot473
10 ай бұрын
We are avatars of ourselves?
@michelleolak3785
10 ай бұрын
Oh I like that
@MrEmotional33
10 ай бұрын
We are a living simulation inside of a simulation ;-)
@vincentdamico6266
10 ай бұрын
@@MrEmotional33 Infinity inside infinity
@AcidBombYT
11 ай бұрын
This guy told me basically hes never truly meditated. Why because he said "i stop thinking" meaning hes intentionally trying to stop thinking and just the intention of trying to stop thinking is thinking. When you meditate you dont stop thinking, all you do is simply mediate. By just trying to meditate you arent truly mediating, instead you are TRYING to meditate. Its mistake beginners make, the simple act of TRYING to do something stops you. Meditation is an action all to itself, its not a state you can attain, instead the state itself is what you describe as meditating.
@sueelliott4793
8 ай бұрын
So when we die is it game over or do we get to try again?
@LazyTelevison
7 ай бұрын
Doesn’t change anything. Still sitting at square one is life is a simulation.
@crucifixgym
11 ай бұрын
Is this the first time Donald Hoffman has been on your show? Looking forward to his next book, I’ve already read Against Reality twice.
@yanwain9454
11 ай бұрын
this is a really whacky, mostly philosophical debate, but as long as the science priest says there's no god, the donation plate will get filled up.
@jessewallace12able
9 ай бұрын
I read the book. If this is true, how does any attempt at discovery of this occur within the impossibility of perception of “truth”?
@siewkonsum7291
11 ай бұрын
Prof *_Donald Hoffman_* says, akin to a virtual head headset when you look at an object it is there, when you don't look at it, that object is not there. This Truth/Dharma was said by Tang Dynasty Zen Buddhist Master *_Hui Hai_* using his parable of a seeing a yellow flower. (To paraphrase) he says, the flower is there because "that which perceives", sees the flower thus it exists. Without "that which perceives", to perceive the flower (object) does not exist, let alone its colour yellow ie phenomenon. Thus when the very fundamental principle of *_Dharma Laksana_* ( ie objects & phenomena) is understood & realized (not by conceptualization), One's ignorance turns into self illumination, to 'see', or realizes One's Buddha (ie True Nature or Reality) 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
@StevenWilliams66
8 ай бұрын
In regards to whether or not Deepak actually read TCAR, I'm assuming yes. I'm also assuming it took Deepak as long to think about his cover quote as it did for Dr. Hoffman to write the book. Lol
@SpaceDad42
8 ай бұрын
Well, we are in a constructed universe and our true selves are living in a constructed body in order to experience this universe, so yeah. It is kind of a simulation. The real universe is what we consider the spiritual domain. They are the dimensions that scientists know is there.
@meows_and_woof
7 ай бұрын
I think music and art in general serves as attraction for the opposite sex , animals also use certain things to attract the opposite sex like dance, presenting a pebble, males use bright coat/feathers and enhance their appearance during mating, birds attract by singing. Humans by having more complex brain developed a few such methods including art
@VoiceHole
11 ай бұрын
What does it mean when i can listen to these talks and want to listen to like 100000000 more and study this but im old and not in school or in the field of science lol. Does this mean i need to go back to school and find a new feild of work at my late age.
@Corteum
11 ай бұрын
22:09 _"I would say that 90 to 95% of them take it for granted that conscious experience is a product of brain activity"_ How did they all come to take it for granted like that? Is that a product of their indoctrination? Like a religious indoctrination?
@AnatolyKern
11 ай бұрын
Psychological research in the spectrum of psychopathy-empathy can help to understand why.
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
11 ай бұрын
No most come to that conclusion themselves, independently.. It's not always a conspiracy and people are never as stupid as we make them out to be. Still in the realm of stupid, just not as.
@Corteum
11 ай бұрын
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 All 95% of them come to that conclusion indepeendently? how? What's the logic or rationale? Presumably, you came to that conclusion also. How? What was the single biggest reason you came to that assumption? ------ As for "conspiracy" - there's no such thing, and nor did i imply that.
@Corteum
11 ай бұрын
@@AnatolyKern Interesting. How so? unpack that a little bit.
@doben
11 ай бұрын
Because most scientists, especially physicits, are materialistic in their world view. Ideas such as spirituality, metaphysics and therefore also panpsychism are excluded from the general scientific discussion and dismissed as "woo-woo". They are not able to allow their thinking to entertain ideas outside of their materialist ideology. This most likely started around the time of enlightenment, when sciences and religion got split into two distinct things, which let modern science to treat any kind of mixing of these as a taboo. So yes, the irony is, that science is being taken as a believe system, similar to what religion is for other people, and therefore closes the horizon on what is actually conceivable. Basically, science ends up being just another religion. (Not science per se, of course)
@rayraymartineziii
8 ай бұрын
I love when people say we're living in a simulation like it's some new take on our reality. It's the oldest take. .
@ajosin
7 ай бұрын
Love the talk about psychedelics at the end. How is that not a major topic when discussing conciousness! Starving for more...
@JimSky
11 ай бұрын
"Feeding, Fleeing, Fighting, and mating?"
@sammy_the_intellectual
11 ай бұрын
scientists half way to rediscovering kantianism, very impressive eye roll emojj
@johnmccormick3147
11 ай бұрын
So when I shit, is this a simulation?
@Tore_Lund
7 ай бұрын
Just considering this from a purely sensory - evolutionary perspective. The presumption must be that what rules and mechanisms exist in the "real" reality, are mirrored in our evolution invented reality, regardless how removed they are? That is why science still works, because the underlying laws of nature are consistent. That might only hold true for classical physics and not quantum mechanics? We can't obviously know, before we get a theory for everything.
@stevenscott6337
11 ай бұрын
Maybe it’s just me, but does Donald’s voice sound eerily similar to the voice used for Stephen Hawking’s speech synthesis machine? Maybe it’s just the microphone….. reminds me of the many lectures from Mr Hawking that I’ve listened to.
@DavidBorda-oz9mu
11 ай бұрын
Hoffman is disassociated from reality.
@ItCanAlwaysGetWorse
8 ай бұрын
About machines being able to achieve consciousness: The two assertions @57:31 then ...57:40 - seem to state the opposite: a) why not, b) then aduce principle reasons to deny that inanimate matter can "boot up" consciousness. Nothing wrong with stating both possibilities. I just would like to understand Hoffman's leanings to the hypothesis of inanimate matter transition to consciousness.
@Chris_Landry
11 ай бұрын
WE ARE BLOATWARE ON AN OLD LAPTOP running in the background for no reason, wasting resources. OUTDATED
@ruprecht9997
11 ай бұрын
Regarding true structures of reality, a major function of our brains is to filter out 99% of the inputs, leaving only a limited set of impulses, that we can fathom and make sense of. Evolution naturally (!) isn't bothered with truth, only survival. Humans can only hold a limited number of abstract ideas or concepts in their mind at the time, so obviously we will have trouble finding patterns that span more ungroupable artefacts. Even worse, evolution is probably only concerned with "good enough". As long as we win over predators, and get to produce offspring, and infant mortality rates are low, there is no real selection mechanism in place. Yes, there will be room for further tweaks, but say there were a branch of humanity who could sense radioactivity. As long as there aren't major areas with dangerous radiation, sensing it represents no advantage, and might disappear from the genome over time.
@timb350
11 ай бұрын
What you need to do...is get Don Hoffmann and Eric Weinstein on at the same time. Would really like to hear Eric's take on Don's work because he (Eric) goes on and on and on and on and on about how the world is in such desperate need of some kind of safety valve (off-planet being his safety valve of choice)...and in a very real way...the work Don is doing is revealing where that safety valve may be found. And it's sure not where Eric is pointing.
@JorgeMartinez-xb2ks
10 ай бұрын
And the name of the game is 'Money Chase'.
@davidfarrall
11 ай бұрын
It’s hard to even define Space and Time (try asking Bing ChatGPT-4) so Consciousness is even trickier. Is it a kind of Field Energy, yet different to Electromagnetic radiation, bosons, etc? But it exists between Biological Brains and nervous systems in a massive grey web. This could be where the paranormal, Love, telepathy and more, originate.
@Itskoooo
11 ай бұрын
It seems rude to the guest that while he talks, you are smiling reading comments, not paying attention to what he says. This is a podcast, even though we are listening, he is talking to you. I am trying to give a positive critique, don't get me wrong.
@DrBrianKeating
11 ай бұрын
Thanks that’s because I was taking questions from the audience an had to filter out good and bad inappropriate content. My channel is the most interactive one in this space that I am aware of 🙏
@Itskoooo
11 ай бұрын
u are one of the greats
@timb350
11 ай бұрын
Worth noting...that of the major theories of consciousness currently available (IIT etc.)...not a single one can conclusively even begin to explain a single moment of the conscious experience of anyone or anything. IOW...they're all batting 00000 (...and Don proceeds to confirm exactly that).
@fredflintstone8048
10 ай бұрын
I hear this clap trap about how we don't live in a reality because of the nature of how this 'so called' reality is put together. It's fabric, it's materials and construction. It's true that there are very strange things regarding Quantum mechanics that we have yet to comprehend and perhaps may 'never' comprehend, and also that an atom is more space than it is matter, and even that it's matter is more magnetic field than physical mass. We live on a continuum between the infinitely large and infinitely small. It's truly a mystery but jumping to the absurdity that we live in a simulation is NOT necessary. It also doesn't mean anything. There is a reality that we live in, that we all share as conscious beings, and playing fanciful word games and stretching things that have been learned in science to ridiculous extremes is unfounded. I may be off track here but I often see people who reject objective reality as people who wish to reject morality, ethics, and responsibility for their actions. In other words they have a personal motive for taking this POV more than there is science to back it up.
@AscendTo5D
7 ай бұрын
If it's a simulation then how come it hurts?
@keithmetcalf5548
11 ай бұрын
My boy Donald "DH"
@chriswise7978
11 ай бұрын
No Don, consciousness is not an experience from microtubuals. It's outside of spacetime
@AnatolyKern
11 ай бұрын
But experience of consciousness in our brain initiated from them. Initiated by the part of consciousness outside of our physical dimension.
@beerman204
11 ай бұрын
"Innocence"....I agree it is such a high value....
@AnatolyKern
11 ай бұрын
In both mind and spirit.
@doctorcrankyflaps1724
11 ай бұрын
Humans couldn't evolve without suffering and learning to survive. If we were born into Heaven we'd never appreciate what Heaven is. I think this life is a learning curve for whatever's next. Imagine how most people would improve with a second life and the wisdom that comes from living in this reality.
@AnatolyKern
11 ай бұрын
Suffering is a path of development one part of your consciousness, psychology, religion and spiritual practices can help in this area. We need to develop our physical brains and ability to rationally think as well.
@doctorcrankyflaps1724
11 ай бұрын
Agreed : )@@AnatolyKern
@AnatolyKern
11 ай бұрын
@@doctorcrankyflaps1724 🙏
@justbarelysociable2211
9 ай бұрын
I give these "reality is a simulation" people about the same credibility as I give to Flat Earthers.
@kensears5099
7 ай бұрын
Your observation about Galileo's jab at the philosophers is cute but historically wrong. "Philosophy," the "love of wisdom" was for millenia the search for knowledge of all kinds, about life, meaning, truth, nature, the cosmos. Everything we now call "science" would have corresponded to the broad concept of "philosophy" as the like of Aristotle practiced it (like, by the way "physics" and "metaphysics). So when Galileo hailed his discovery as resolving what all the philosophers before him couldn't, he meant precisely what you'd mean if you said you'd discovered what no scientists ever could before you.
@wulphstein
10 ай бұрын
Why can't we hypothesise that consciousness, memory and partitioning of consciousness goes down to the foundation of reality.
@weilunkang
8 ай бұрын
You should get Tom Campbell, Jim Elvidge, and Rizwan Virk on too
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