Thanks for the feedback on this video. Just a correction... On the football/rugby attendance bit: The images were intended as a demonstration of "average" attendance. I used these images because the sources for the stats are either not entirely reliable or incomparable, e.g. the URC is said to have avg attendance of 11-12k but PSL avg being 7-8k. Hence the use of "typical" in the video. But these figures (sometimes not comparable because league/union/cup/ broadcast, etc), and others, aren't entirely reflective of the nuances that come up when you speak to people in sport development and when you interrogate sporting culture. This is one of those difficult editorial choices one has to make. It's my mistake. Will find a better way next time.
@SihleFani-t6i
Күн бұрын
Gyz the answer is simple here is this , People who running Safa are working for their own pockets on the other side Rugby is running by professional people who knows what they're doing 🤞
@musa4747
Күн бұрын
True but rugby is also very very corrupt. Read about Jurie Roux, read about the Western Province/Stormers fraud debacle. Heck, the Springboks are about to sell of about 20% of the Springboks to an American firm, not fraud but also sketchy selling off rights to a national asset like that
@dannyarcher6370
20 сағат бұрын
Yeah. One has whites in it, and the other doesn't.
@siphomahlangu5531
4 күн бұрын
Football in South Africa is quite new compared to other traditionally good footballing countries, that is the opposite with rugby, second football is very competitive compared to rugby, rugby Springboks have very few serious competition namely Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and England, while banana bafana has more than 50 competitors in Africa alone
@TheEntries
3 күн бұрын
Definitely more competitive in football, but the story of sports development (as presented in the video) speaks loads about where football could otherwise be today.
@mpendulohlatywayo6969
Күн бұрын
Brother what's your points it's been 28years since bafana won a trophy what are you trying to say
@craigsparks1442
Күн бұрын
That's the dumbest reason I've ever heard of
@runningman2989
Күн бұрын
talk nonsense. Bafana is just useless. They have three times the budget of many African countries yet they still get beaten
@daaichommie708
Күн бұрын
It really isnt. We have a long history of competitive soccer. I agree that you cant compare Rugby and soccer in SA as a level baseline, but our soccer was a lot more competitive than what we have now.
@tsaki_titan
Күн бұрын
Black parents even tell their children ,"stop playing sports, focus on books."🤦🏽♂️🚮
@victorsilas5487
Күн бұрын
I know parents back in the early 2000s who would buy their kids Carvellas for R1200, and never dare spend R400 on a soccer boot for a talented lad and that speaks to priority. Another problem in soccer growing in South Africa, are the gatekeepers. There is enough talent for us to compete internationally, rugby recruits the best around the country while soccer gatekeepers are ready to sell to the highest bidder no matter how useless the player can be.
@craigsparks1442
Күн бұрын
Corruption... It's simple.
@runningman2989
Күн бұрын
Black excellence at its finest
@craigsparks1442
Күн бұрын
@@runningman2989 well Jeppe is a school with probably majority black pupils and they have a thriving rugby culture, where you will see in the parents stands a lot of black parents supporting their kids and at the tuck shop, gate duties and the like, this isn't a race issue it's a sports culture issue. Handouts versus active participation by the parents.
@johnledwaba8551
Күн бұрын
Absolutely correct
@rams7932
Күн бұрын
I wish I can give you 1000 likes 😂😂😂 The was a time when south african football had toyota, Caltex, Coca-Cola, chippies, etc sponsoring soccer. Then corruption started to the l level of inter-province. We need guys like shoe mazibuko to run school soccer again.
@SibusisoNgcobo-qb7st
Күн бұрын
I don't think so it about who has more
@markymark8
Күн бұрын
Football in this country is a cesspit of corruption, incompetence and apathy from the top of SAFA down to grassroots levels. I feel for the individuals trying their best to swim against the current. There is no shortage of money for football development, but that money disappears at every level as it passes down the chain. There is an unfortunate history to the football and rugby codes in this country, but those problems could have been solved a long time ago if there was the will to do it.
@jonnyOysters
Күн бұрын
Right. If it was purely about cultural divide why did Bafana peak in the 90s, right after the end of apartheid? Kids can play barefoot in poorly maintained fields. And still develop talent. Programs looking for talent can sponsor them boots and kits and help with training. If they were serious about developing it wouldn't matter if the parents were wealthy or not. Or went to watch their games. What matters is the organization trying to build SA football, tried to build SA football.
@markymark8
Күн бұрын
@@jonnyOysters A very good friend of mine is involved in development and lower league club football. The stories he tells of what happens locally and nationally make me weep for football in our country.
@MeiA-h9r
23 сағат бұрын
First step Get rid of Danny Jordaan He is Not taking that job seriously
@adriaanjagers9919
Күн бұрын
No transformation in football like rugby
@mxolisimagubane3204
Күн бұрын
No race was barred from playing soccer. White South African players don't want to play for teams in the lower leagues, want to play for the big three teams immediately. The argument for transformation in football is weak and ill informed.
@dannyarcher6370
20 сағат бұрын
No. Exactly the opposite. Full transformation.
@daaichommie708
Күн бұрын
Pre-1998, South Africa had a very competitive soccer culture. People forget that out top division at one stage was equivalent to the modern day MLS in the sense that many top soccer players from England who were past their prime, would travel and play in our league because it still produced top quality ball and was competitive. The real reason our soccer declined is because SAFA essentially dismantled the league system that was in play. Our old system was designed so that you had the best players from entire areas competing against each other from grass roots level. You didnt have things like Pinetown Districts or Durban Central Districts. So instead of there being just 2 teams from a particular region (eg Durban South) you now have a dozen teams who play against each other. In other words, it went from best vs best (or more competitive), to minor leagues where no one really gets noticed or theres no constant quality opposition/teams. Also because you now have a dozen teams from one area, the fields and venues are under funded and officials regularly just dont rock up. The interest and passion from a junior level is all but gone. Our football used to be competitive. Make no mistake. Obviously we would never be world beaters but we were no walk in the park.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
So less teams equals better development and higher quality players😂?
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
So less teams equals better development and higher quality players😂?
@rogercorreia6292
Күн бұрын
Unfortunately with soccer in South Africa nearly everything has to go to through SAFA. And with SAFA many things are are run on a what can you do for us as the people running SAFA and not what can you do for the game or the children playing the game.
@blackmonday5295
Күн бұрын
Time to admit that the past 30 years are history too and that soccer squandered that with corruption.
@mechailreydon3784
Күн бұрын
The irony really is that SA rugby can take boys from the township and put them on international stages whereas soccer can’t 🤷🏾♂️
@bafanamahlatse1923
Күн бұрын
Wat r u talking about. We have several soccer players playing in Europe and north America. Rugby doesn't have a large international fan base. Percy tau is more followed than any rugby player in the world
@mechailreydon3784
22 сағат бұрын
@@bafanamahlatse1923 bro firstly there are far more South African rugby players playing overseas than there are South African soccer players that’s why there’s actually talks about how to keep players in the country because we’re just too damn good at developing talent and the pay overseas is so much better that we lose a lot of that talent when it comes to rugby. And secondly there’s a huge difference between playing overseas and representing your country overseas on international stages. Lastly the guys who make it abroad in football are the exceptions. You have so much so much more opportunities to get bursaries and sponsors to become something if you’re a underprivileged kid who plays rugby
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
@@mechailreydon3784 Afcon 24? All our players where born in South Africa😂
@mckillalaberry
7 сағат бұрын
Too much gatekeeping
@benvandermerwe4934
5 сағат бұрын
The National team, not individuals. You just demonstrated your ignorance. @@bafanamahlatse1923
@n-tertainmentx-tended4760
Күн бұрын
The difference is: rugby union is well managed (at least at school level). Soccer is terribly managed, and a lot of funding goes to waste. Also, rugby has iconic heroes like Siya Kolisi. What about soccer? Who do youngsters look up to? There's nobody because the men's soccer team hasn't accomplished anything.
@LiquidNation100
Күн бұрын
While you are correct with the better organised school's structure. Your statement on football not having idols comes from a place of ignorance. Every generation, since the 40s, has had footballing heroes to look up to. Rugby players are shoved down our throats more as they receive more endorsements due to the spending power of their core followers. Cup of Nations X1 Cosafa Cup X5 Afro Asia Cup X1 Kings Cup X1
@n-tertainmentx-tended4760
Күн бұрын
@@LiquidNation100 It's not about spending power. You need no more money to play rugby than soccer. You may not like this, but future kids aren't going to want to play soccer - they will prefer rugby. Rugby is no longer viewed as a posh sport, played by the elites. It's probably as common among bl@ck kids as soccer, currently.
@clintduplessis4508
Күн бұрын
I completely agree that grassroots football needs to be improved and managed better. While it’s true that the men’s team hasn’t been the most successful on the global stage, South Africa has still produced countless football legends like Jomo Sono, Quinton Fortune, Benni McCarthy, Bradley Carnell, Mark Fish, Lucas Radebe, Shaun Bartlett, Steven Pienaar, Aaron Mokoena, and Nasief Morris etc. The real challenge is understanding why a country with so much raw talent struggles to put together a truly competitive squad on the international level.
@keithjulie7873
Күн бұрын
Not true. Only recently with the 2019 and 2023 RWC has Siya and other rugby players been recognised in the black community. You can ask any youngster in the townships and they will remember heroes like Lucas Radebe and Doctor Khumalo, John Moshoeu from AFCON 1996 still today.
@kiboma4209
Күн бұрын
@@LiquidNation100he meant south african idols, not foreign ones 😂
@Robby10137
Күн бұрын
Football in south africa has the luxury that other sports do not have. Football does not require its national team to play well in order for it to be popular while sports such as rugby and cricket needs their national team to perform well in order to stay popular. For example when the springboks where performing badly in 2016 and 2017. Almost all south africans stop supporting the springboks and also stop watching rugby. TV audiences and stadium attendance is proof of this during 2016 to 2018. It got so bad that some people burned or threw their springbok jerseys. It was a dumpster fire. In football despite bafana bafana not doing well for last 15 years until afcon 2024 onwards. Football remained popular. TV audience remained high for all types of football and ameteur participation remained high compared to rugby. Once you see the springboks go through a bad patch people will not only stop supporting them but they will stop watching any kind of rugby and children Will want to play other sports and stay away from rugby.
@OGLechaba
Күн бұрын
At a grassroot level, I agree with the Curro Soccer Coach, black parents don’t show up for their kids
@Star-hg1kt
Күн бұрын
B.S almost all the legendary players parents didn't show up but they made it, even the last maestro Teko Modise. Today's players are just mid.
@sizwe.babye.c
Күн бұрын
In South Africa football has an aspect of lower class where as rugby is more of an upper class sport hence funding and exposure is different
@randomuruk7230
Күн бұрын
Funny because it's the exact opposite in Europe.
@IonizedComa
Күн бұрын
Which is weird. Because the highest paid players in the world are football players. It's a more popular sport. South Africa just knows rugby makes them money so they stick to what they know, they are too scared to invest in football because of all the corruption scandals
@Star-hg1kt
Күн бұрын
Football almost everywhere draws talent from lower class LOL. Doesnt make sense coz even when we were good, we drew from lower class. Use ur head next ⌚
@bafanamahlatse1923
Күн бұрын
@@IonizedComasoccer has more money than rugby in South Africa. Soccer is far more competitive
@IonizedComa
Күн бұрын
@@bafanamahlatse1923 more money in terms of ground development? HIGHLY DOUBT IT.
@toemas8
20 сағат бұрын
As a white person i remember watching the CAF cup thinking wow we can only get better from here with soccer. At school if i had choice I’d rather have played soccer, but most of the guys had to join a club. I went to a mostly English speaking school, one day we went to the hall we had to go in groups of what sport we wanted to play … there were far more in hockey and soccer than rugby. It actually pissed our Afrikaans principal off to no end. Soccer in 90s in Cape Town at least was big amongst coloureds, whites and of course blacks. If everyone was proud of our soccer team and we had more races in the team we would do better and I think the attitude would change.
@MeiA-h9r
23 сағат бұрын
Racial prejudice of the past Not enough money from private investment in an organised league Developmental infrastructure for the sport not organised properly
@xAvaragex
Күн бұрын
Simple. Implement football at primary school levels. I went to go play rugby when I was because my teacher told me to
@craigsparks1442
Күн бұрын
The parents of rugby scools are also very involved, parents contibute by helping to find sponsors, they help with catering, they help with gate duties, transport and all sorts of other tasks. Even the less financially privileged parents contribute where they can... Rugby is a completely different culture. This is not even limited to white parents, black and coloured parents are very involved in the rugby culture at school rugby schools. Soccer scools sit around waiting for hand outs from the government. It's a shift in culture, all of these soccer coaches talk about waiting for government budget, the government is NOT going to help you, you have to learn to do everything yourself now.
@TheEntries
Күн бұрын
In the last interview clip, the coach talks about this culture difference. It's very eye-opening. I wasn't aware of the full depth you just described. Thanks for this.
@ARI_ARI...
Күн бұрын
I totally agree, as a person that attended a "former model C" school you tend to realize that the majority of the sponsors for rugby is actually the parents of the kids. I totally agree with the last 2 interviews because as you are playing soccer there's literally no parents there but for rugby, the white parents will be there from the U14 games early at 9am until the last game of the day. We can't make excuses for the soccer parents because they'll literally just be chilling at home doing nothing.
@craigsparks1442
Күн бұрын
@@TheEntries a good example of how this is not a race issue is Jeppe, they are a fantastic school of predominantly black pupils, their boys are the most polite and well mannered kids who have bought into the rugby culture as with their parents. No my son is not at Jeppe, but if soccer schools want to learn about fixing their sports culture they need to look at schools like Jeppe. My son is at Monnas predominantly white pupils , although there is a strong rugby culture at Monnas it does not compare to that of Jeppe, so this is not a black or white problem.
@mackyj7801
22 сағат бұрын
You can add Dale, DHS etc to the list
@valanceo2166
Күн бұрын
You know, growing up in the 90's, we faced many tough football schools from different provinces, and being from a government school myself, we had quite passionate and gifted coaches. The problem isn't just development and corruption, but also there is no representation of all races within the professional ranks. There are gifted players but they play overseas because they know they won't be seen by the bureaucracy which is SAFA.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
Like who?
@musa4747
Күн бұрын
Lol that comparison about fan attendance would've been accurate 10-15 years ago but you only have to tune into one Currie Cup or local URC match to see that fans also don't flock to rugby stadiums the way they used to. The Springboks are only able to get full capacity because if their success. Otherwise this video seems to be accurate. I still believe that the only way SA football will dominate is if we find a way to incorporate our flair and skill to modern football instead of coaching it out of players. Brazil is suffering from the same thing and have lost their x factor.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
I agree, we try to be to European 😂
@that3401
2 сағат бұрын
Let's be honest here fr the only reason were good and dominant in rugby is beacuse we along with a few other countries actually take it seriously there's no competition in that sport and its the same countries dominating and competing while the rest of the world don't give a crap where as in football almost every country competes in it and there's so much competition from continental down to regional. The fact that our Round of 16 win against Morocco in Afcon has more views than us winning the RWC final tells you all you need to know
@sekgotapheeha1102
Күн бұрын
Danny Jordan 😂😂😂
@lonwabomfuntana6108
6 сағат бұрын
Orlando Pirates also won the CAF Champions League in 1995. The first ever SAn club to do it
@christoduplessis8177
Күн бұрын
It is simple, I have seen it first hand, when 7 year old kids play rugby they will have a painted grass pitch, safety equipment, a medic and a referee. When 7 year old kids, oh nevermind, they don't even have a league where 7 year old kids play football, nevermind within the same conditions.
@dannyarcher6370
20 сағат бұрын
And whose fault is that?
@monwabisinondyola7476
9 сағат бұрын
This video was made so rugby fans can confirm their bias You don't actually engage with the topic or try to find solutions This is a disappointing video considering your platform Coming from a South African football fan
@wlk2408
Күн бұрын
In rugby there are also very poor communities playing and producing Springboks. I live in the Cape and when you go to poor communities of color they have rugby fields not soccer fields. Just in the Cape area there are 96 rugby clubs, they play in five different leagues. Most of those clubs are in poor communities. Rugby schools has become very good at identifying talent from all communities. They give scholarships if they identify a talented player. There are primary schools in Gauteng giving scholarships to talented rugby kids from Cape Town. At highschool level you get it much more. Ambrose Papier grew up in the Cape but a school in Tshwane gave him a scholarship and he became a Springbok. There are many examples like that in rugby. It is false to suggest poor communities don't play rugby. Most of the rugby communities are poor.
@TheEntries
23 сағат бұрын
Thanks for this. I am not suggesting poor communities don't play rugby. You may have noted that towards the end of the video, the coach from a "poor community" speaks about how well rugby has been at his school and WHY. A big part of it is the development leagues which you have referenced here. I truly do think SA soccer can learn a thing or two from rugby's sport development.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
@@TheEntries Soccer development doesn't need scholarships, there's academies
@DakaloMooi_05
5 сағат бұрын
Why do you keep pretending as if there is absolutely nothing wrong with SA football.@@monwabisinondyola7476
@Zacaryquack
19 сағат бұрын
Your missing the culture i played football as a kid it became about flopping ultra competitive, massive ego based game, where as rugby had an inclusive culture unlike football rugby doesnt bully fat kids, its really a community game football isn't, I'm now a ultral loyal rugby loving fan as its such a communal and inclusive game
@JohanVenter-l4r
Күн бұрын
Great program. I'm Namibian and we have exactly the same problems. I'm white my kids are in state schools. We do fundraising like crazy to give the children the opportunity to do their best in sport and education. Not always easy and not much time, but we invest in our kids....
@WTG194
20 сағат бұрын
lets be honest, our soccer administrators are just not professional or serious, there's plenty talent in this country from all backgrounds but the development is not taken seriously by these politicians pretending to be administrators
@sanethehappypill
23 сағат бұрын
It's because of primary school... soccer ⚽ is not in model C schools, which tend to have better facilities
@pieterbadenhorst2718
Күн бұрын
Very well done and unbiased video. Keep it up man 🙌🏻
@TheEntries
23 сағат бұрын
Thanks, always trying to get better at this.
@craigsparks1442
Күн бұрын
My son attends a rugby school, not everyone at that school is privileged... The school has a fund for these kids, the parents donate rugby kit to this fund and everyone runs onto the rugby field kitted out thanks to the culture of the sport, again this isnt a white or black culture, this is a sport culture adopted by all parents of all races. Soccer needs to build that same level of community around the sport and stop expecting hand outs.
@bafanamahlatse1923
Күн бұрын
That already happens there are more amateur soccer tournaments than rugby in this country. The issue is scouting these players and giving them opportunity. Rugby is helped by its model c rugby programs. Concidering most springboks come from around 20 schools.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
@craigsparks Soccer players don't come from one soccer team in this country 😂
@craigsparks1442
13 сағат бұрын
@@monwabisinondyola7476 no but they come home the same culture, I'm aware
@ndumisomaidi3654
Күн бұрын
You are lying on the attendance, Currie cup semifinal and final had empty seats. While MTN8 final is sold out.
@Boitu_Matu
19 сағат бұрын
Ya i was also shocked by his statement as Rugby league game attendances are always empty. Its only when it is the Currie Cup final /URC games/ Springboks games, when attendances are better. + this thing of comparing soccer to a Rugby which is played by fewer than 15 countries is ridiculous. Soccer is way more competitive than what Rugby will be.
@monwabisinondyola7476
17 сағат бұрын
@@Boitu_Matu This guy doesn't understand South African football let alone African football
@Boitu_Matu
16 сағат бұрын
@@monwabisinondyola7476 This is the thing I hate about podcasts or the so-called "content creators". They just post stuff without checking n rechecking their facts. Podcasts are spreading misinformation and this is going to be a BIG problem in the future.
@monwabisinondyola7476
9 сағат бұрын
@@Boitu_Matu I agree and this comment section proves it
@nonkululekoxekethwane6795
Күн бұрын
This is a well rounded analysis. Well done
@NjabuloZuma_710
Күн бұрын
I also feel like safa needs a restructuring....
@kabelomolefi6412
22 сағат бұрын
Why we looking for a corner in a circle? It's straight forward that corruption is killing our football.
@TheEntries
22 сағат бұрын
I'm stealing that expression :D It's brilliant. To your point, corruption is definitely huge, but I really wanted to also highlight the nuances of sporting culture, the differences therein and their impact in the lower rugs of development.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
@@TheEntries You didn't do any of that😂
@ayyitsalto
Күн бұрын
well rounded and well researched video
@KeeshKush
Күн бұрын
GREAT VIDEO!! WELL DONE!!!
@ridahhanstein205
Күн бұрын
Well done dude brilliant video
@Arti-ficiallyChi
Күн бұрын
Guys...I'm 50 years from a disadvantaged background...so was huge when I was growing up in the coloured community...with many leagues...yet , why do I not see coloured players in the team... Now we want to say it's the colonizers fault... It's about talent...come on.. Decades ago Bafana had all races playing...now its not representative 😢😢😢
@chesterdonnelly1212
Күн бұрын
Could it be that diversity and inclusion has to be forced? If a group is allowed to dominate then it will. Black or white, it doesn't matter. If a tribe is allowed to dominate other tribes it will. It is human nature.
@Enoch940
Күн бұрын
Is becos of tik
@lightningRatPack
Күн бұрын
Not only that same bafana have openly said racist things around minorities. Bafana, openly supports the EFF which happily supports violence. No one should support such a team.
@ZDFP
Күн бұрын
Isn't our best player, Williams, coloured?
@dannyarcher6370
20 сағат бұрын
100% transformed! 👏🏻
@supremeclientele83
Күн бұрын
Why are kids from privileged schools and neighbourhoods overlooked when it comes to football in SA? Are we saying that football is exclusively for kids from underprivileged backgrounds and that kids in privileged government and private schools cannot contribute to the sport? Rugby has had to address this and has players from various backgrounds and continuing to improve. Football neglects all the places that SA could find talent. If supported, privileged schools could apply the same ethos they do towards rugby towards football. From a young age you would see kids developing on their own and with parental assistance because they have the means to. Rugby boys are in the gym and on the field from a very early age. They don’t wait on government and clubs. Half the work is already done by the time they start getting serious. Football should broaden its horizons. If not, it will always stay the same. SA has a huge pool of talent.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
Who said they are being overlooked 😂?
@Jonker47
19 сағат бұрын
Also take note that rugby has unions which acts as custodians for their provinces. And SARU only delegates to the unions on development KPI's and implement national tournamets. This competitive nature between unions to be the "best" pushes for better development in their provinces. Football on the otherhand has clubs, which acts as businesses with their own seperate goals in mind. And clubs can rather focus on being profitable i.e. buying and selling players instead of investing in their communities, that is why we see slow development. SAFA also doesn't have any custodians to my knowledge besides football clubs which all act in their own interests. Basically, rugby has a good governance structure and football not.
@monwabisinondyola7476
17 сағат бұрын
SAFA doesn't do enough in terms of grass roots development,that's why clubs do it themselves
@jandelport4794
Күн бұрын
Maybe Dayton McKenzie will do something about it.🙂
@Robby10137
Күн бұрын
If he interferes in SAFA'S internal matters that will get us banned from international football by fifa because of political interference.
@conceretejungle1150
Күн бұрын
Is he going to be playing in the team😮
@Star-hg1kt
Күн бұрын
You can't be serious LOL
@tazzdamann
Күн бұрын
Everything that could go wrong with football IS wrong with football, so it's hard to see a way forward. Growing up, we needed to pay money just to play on a ground with posts even though the condition were bad. Amature teams were rare and even some of those needed money. Everyone in my family is either a pirates, sundows, or chiefs fan despite having absolutely zero association with those clubs. I couldn't watch european games on tv for most of my childhood, so i only started liking football in highschool. In the school i went to, football was the least prioritized sport despite it having the 3rd highest audience in SA. They did even spend money on coaches that actually analyse the game, they just made us go and kick a ball for 30 minutes. When i told my parents i wanted to play football they said it wouldn't work out and that was it. When i tried doing it myself i realised that there was a lack of accessable information on how to join a club in SA
@TheEntries
23 сағат бұрын
Oh man, thanks for sharing this. Most people have had to "pay to play" in various ways. It limits access to a potential career so much.
@_ElevenNamedPeople
Күн бұрын
The premise and claim of this video are nonsense, and the comments are even dumber. The lack of knowledge about history, sports (that rugby is hardly a global sport compared to football), racism, and education, to name a few factors, and its impacts on the relative success of rugby over football in SA is shocking.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
This video is a disappointment
@don_chanGD
Күн бұрын
Got this recommended to me, absolutely loved it, the interviews and on the field work! being an irish rugby player, I have alot of south african teammates so its always interesting to learn about your sporting culture
@PhakimpiDubois-rf8bz
Күн бұрын
there are a couple of errors in your analogies here, firstly those attendance numbers at rugby games are only ever full for finals and springbok games, average stadium attendance is 30% and below. Also soccer was very popular amongst the English white population, there was a white league and a black league, which was unified in 1977 and even then it took a couple of season before a black team could beat a white team. The real problem here is what was covered later lack of development structures and support the youth have.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
Amatuer and Second Divisions teams need more support from the government
@jamesmswenko8292
Күн бұрын
Every sport loving person should watch this, amazing coverage, dude.
@monwabisinondyola7476
9 сағат бұрын
This is not a good video Made by someone who doesn't understand South African football let alone watch it
@dannyarcher6370
19 сағат бұрын
This guy: Soccer players don't have access to the same resources as rugby players. Also this guy: Women's soccer has done amazing with even fewer resources than men's soccer.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
He doesn't understand South African football and it's problems, and how to adress it, which is sad considering his platform
@dannyarcher6370
18 сағат бұрын
@@monwabisinondyola7476 The problem is Bantu kulcha.
@monwabisinondyola7476
17 сағат бұрын
@@dannyarcher6370 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@dannyarcher6370
14 сағат бұрын
@@monwabisinondyola7476 Bantu kulcha is no laughing matter, skhokho. Look what have been its effects over the last 30 years.
@monwabisinondyola7476
9 сағат бұрын
@@dannyarcher6370 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@jdQuinnn
Күн бұрын
The Springboks was from the start among the top rugby nations,because of talent.In 1990, the Boks were statistically the best team in the history of rugby.There are football teams,Brazil,Germany,Italy who would be the equivalent.South African football is more like a Namibia, Italy etc.And it DOES boil down to talent.When Belgium all of a sudden produced DE Bruyne, Havards, Lukaku they became a football giant.Our players simply lack the talent,or early football education to compete with the best.
@TheEntries
23 сағат бұрын
I think you've hit the nail on the head when you say "early football education." I don't have the data, but from observation alone, It seems to be lacking severely. I'd really like to get hold of the data on this.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
@@TheEntries Early football education like what?
@Boitu_Matu
18 сағат бұрын
First of all it is impossible for the 2 to be comparable, as Rugby is the least played or competitive team sport in the world. The success of the Springboks don't equals to Bafana's success...Why? Every nation has a particular team sport that they are successful in. Germany has won 4 FIFA World Cups..but zero Cricket and Rugby World Cups. India has won multiple Cricket World Cups....but zero FIFA world Cups and zero Rugby World cups. Europe alone has 44+ playing footballing nations, with less than 15 of them with established footballing systems dating back to 150 years back (Italy, England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Spain, Netherlands, France, Portugal). If you add all the FIFA members that is a well over 200 countries. While Rugby is a closed few countries-clubs.
@latens3018
16 сағат бұрын
Yep good comment rugby is dominated by a few countries, rugby only became a professional sport in 1996 The structure of rugby means the better team almost always wins whereas football there is a much bigger chance of an underdog victory when Japan beat SA in 2015 it was big news despite Japan being a top 20, countries like South Africa and NZ can easily beat follow top ten teams like Scotland and Fiji by 20-30 points which is equivalent to a 4 goal victory in football something top football teams like Argentina can't do consistently against teams due to the footballing scoring system. Even Namibia rugby beats teams in African qualifiers by huge margins like 50+ points
@monwabisinondyola7476
9 сағат бұрын
This is a disappointing video considering his platform
@naeemallyza
3 сағат бұрын
Our FIFA ranking in 1996: 16. Our FIFA ranking today: 57. You can draw your own conclusions!
@techart2191
20 сағат бұрын
Dude, i am impressed by your work. This is my first video, idk you but man you've out done yourself. Oh...I'm one of the guys who was born with the gift but the world will not know me by that gift because the system kicked us out. We couldnt afford to pay to play. But thanks be unto God for His unspeakable gift, His grace levels the playing field. This world will know us, because we are called for more, our purpose is far greater than we can imagine.
@Star-hg1kt
Күн бұрын
Im sure the standard of living was high in the 90s including stadiums & sponsors 🙄. Today players are not as talented as the old, im sorry. Even other African countries don't have close to our infrastructure even in their top divisions but they send more players overseas. Yes coz if he compared, soccer sponsorship, talent & stadiums in the 90s & early 2000 all the B.S would fall. You had to opt for the typical ' blame whitey ' B.S. Does this guy watch the PSL LOL, they miss open nets mxm hasuka.
@mackyj7801
22 сағат бұрын
Even predominantly black schools like Dale in EP parent's and family pack the matches to watch there kids. Rugby is more about playing the sport it's about brother hood.
@dawidmaree5002
Күн бұрын
Very interesting and thank you for not just blaming colonisation. Your interviews explained some of this very well. I am always of the opinion that SA soccer is only interested in their ownership of and shares, with a lot of corruption. What happened to all the buses from the world cup that were supposed to go to soccer programmes. Thank you for an insight full vid.
@Neobrian30
19 сағат бұрын
Bafana Bafana won bronze 🥉 in Afcon, we don't appreciate anything, unlike SA cricket 🏏.
@romario2166
Күн бұрын
I agree with most of what you said in this video. There is a lot of work to be done before Soccer can catch up with Rugby in this country, but simply put, organizations like SAFA are just not good enough to do so. Besides the corruptions within it's ranks, the caliber of the people in charge there are just not good enough. Yes there is a long history of inequality, but it's been long enough now for the people in SAFA and football people in general to make the necessary changes in attitudes and culture.
@YesHeIsCool
Күн бұрын
The answer is simple, SAFA. It is too political. The old guards there treat SAFA as if it's their fiefdom and it won't go anywhere until they leave. Before '94, soccer had a huge development in township schools even though it was during apartheid. While in rugby they kept development in schools, in soccer it stopped. Soccer doesn't need much, it just needs good leaders who are willing to work selflessly for the interest of the country.
@donavinnezar
Күн бұрын
both the schools i went to growing up were centered around rugby , primary school had 2 main rugby fields and a spare thats usdually used as a parking during games , highschool had 6 rugby fields but only 2 dedicated hockey fields so the boys hockey teams had to repurpose a rugby field in poor condition that alsways made the ball go airborne .
@rogercorreia6292
Күн бұрын
If you want any info on woman’s football you have to speak to Janine van Wyk. She has a very well run club and puts on many tournaments focused on girl’s football. She (and her team running JVW FC) really are legends that don’t get the credit they deserve.
@harrisra4944
Күн бұрын
Interesting history of the development of soccer and rugby
@thanosThe2nd
Күн бұрын
Participation and involvement from the parents will change once they understand that soccer and sports isn't just a past-time or entertainment for children, but a chance to network and find opportunities for their children and other business or economic opportunities, businesses operating in the townships should understand the value in marketing through these school leagues and teams and have less barriers for teams to find sponsorship.
@dannyarcher6370
19 сағат бұрын
Gayton McKenzie has an opportunity here...
@otisadonisbeats
Күн бұрын
Can someone share this to Gayton Mckenzie! We need radical change!
@fanaraymondtsotetsi2114
Күн бұрын
Your sound is bad your voice is drawd by the background music
@tshepotaole2026
11 сағат бұрын
Thare are so many of them that we'll never know.
@monwabisinondyola7476
21 сағат бұрын
What about the Multi-choice DDC? Mfundo Vilakazi? Mofokeng?
@aluncurtis6124
Күн бұрын
Could rugby help soccer at a grass roots level?
@United_Wings
5 сағат бұрын
Interesting 🤔
@njabulombuyazi5132
18 сағат бұрын
Great analysis. Its a multilayered and complex question. Simple responses like "corruption" are not sufficient. Even the second guy understands the parents situation. A General laborer who gets paid per day cannot simply take off work (forgo a days pay) to watch their son/daughter play soccer. Even the emphasis on academics has sound reasoning. An education is more secure for the long term. One serious injury and your out. look at how many high earning soccer players go broke after retirement. Again great video. You'd need atleats 30min to an hour to fully explore this topic in its entirety
@TheEntries
17 сағат бұрын
I agree. It's quite multi-layered.
@leewilliams7364
Күн бұрын
Very informative.. nice video
@firminl
Күн бұрын
Amazing Video. Well done done
@cyrilstrecker8786
18 сағат бұрын
Needs white players
@UnathiGX
Күн бұрын
Bafana-Bafana Marketing does not understand mind shifting Story telling that make people us connect to the game at a personal level like they do in rugby. Obviously the biggest issue is prioritising effective grooming of young talent. There is too much corruption.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
So you support the Springboks because of marketing 😂?
@billasgija390
Күн бұрын
Bro u are so corny 😂. Damn
@joshengelbrecht-w3g
Күн бұрын
What a video thank you
@diboymashesha
Күн бұрын
I'm keen dope channel
@dogdynogamingyt
Күн бұрын
thanks for this vid bro
@vik4741
Күн бұрын
We don't have a development issue when it comes to football since we have proved time and time again that we are able to win continental competitions with our clubs like Sundowns with the overwhelming majority of players being South African. So that should tell you that our development is doing just fine. The issue is that we haven't yet had the right ingredients for having the right team and coach at national level. But now having finished third in Afcon, it has shown that we are on the right track. It's just a matter of time now that the club success of Sundowns will translate to national level
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
Bafana plays against European born players We don't use European born players
@wlk2408
Күн бұрын
Many "white schools" are starting to develop their soccer. This year at Wildeklawer, a very big rugby and netball tournament held in Kimberley, they had schoolboy soccer teams for the first time. Paul Roos Gimnasium and Grey College, the two rugby schools who have produced the most Springboks in history, had their soccer teams there. More and more traditional "white" elite schools are starting to develop their soccer. It is ironic but the "white" rugby schools will soon develop more soccer players than our tradional soccer structures.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
Soccer players in this country don't come from one soccer team
@johngamba4823
21 сағат бұрын
Hello from the UK! Really interesting video. You got your history wrong. Football and Rugby in the UK didn’t really separate until the early 1870s and football started as a middle class game but got taken over by the working class later on. There are still areas of the UK, South Wales, Scottish Borders, parts of the West of England where rugby is still more popular among working people than football
@TheEntries
21 сағат бұрын
Hi. 1849 is a reference to the establishment of the school, not the sporting codes. I admit, could have been clearer.
@walesboy04
22 сағат бұрын
Wow man. I clicked on this as it was a catchy title, enjoyed your presentation so much I ended up watching all your videos and they are all fantastic. Great work brother- keep it up.
@TheEntries
22 сағат бұрын
Oh snap. Thank you. Slowly but surely.
@mackyj7801
22 сағат бұрын
One thing to note is South Africa school rugby is world leading....well School boy soccer is not even number 1 in Africa
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
Socer development isn't about School boy development
@WTG194
20 сағат бұрын
Rugby was forced to transform unlike soccer, in 96 we had a diverse soccer team now not so much
@dannyarcher6370
20 сағат бұрын
What are you talking about? Bafana are 100% transformed now!
@thequietman760
22 сағат бұрын
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@mrkatse
Күн бұрын
Awesome video Bro! Now I have something to refer people to whenever this argument comes up!
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
Don't, this guy isn't using a good argument
@ThandoNdoku-hk1ew
Күн бұрын
If all else fails, blame the British 🤣
@TheEntries
23 сағат бұрын
I mean...LOL
@Bolognabeef
22 сағат бұрын
What do you use to edit mate?
@TheEntries
22 сағат бұрын
Final Cut
@lindeladladla2132
Күн бұрын
1:13 You got me there😭
@TheEntries
Күн бұрын
I'm sorry :)
@Deedee-im6wb
Күн бұрын
Politics, corruption, racial bias, list keeps going. One sport is for a nation, the other is for well, colour based. 11 official languages, but in 30s year's, where is the DIVERSITY?
@bafanamahlatse1923
Күн бұрын
My guy. The springboks r mainly made of three ethnic groups. White Afrikaans,coloured and black Xhosa. Bafana has colored zulu, Xhosa, pedi, tsonga, sotho. The bafana squad has always been ethnically and linguistically more diverse than the springboks
@Deedee-im6wb
Күн бұрын
@bafanamahlatse1923 true, agreed. But I'm not talking about players. They are just the fallout of good or bad management. Where the money lays is where the diversity dies. Sport, economy, politics, you name it. 1994 came, we saw Barkers Bafana. Truly diverse, management and team. Thereafter, well as we can see, power shift to get back at those from the past and bam, a disaster of mismanagement, bias selection, and none of it based on skills. We have played long enough in the league to know BBBEE is real and thriving. Rugby's diversity stems from those who love the sport, hence it working so well. Soccer has more lovers but only few hold the power hostage.
@mogomotsilesola4216
2 сағат бұрын
I was talking about this with my friends I went to an afrikaans school which produced 6 springboks through our school history we talked about how rugby doesn't need academies in RSA because the people taking care of its organization are really good. Also parents invest in their children and the school as well. In fact we are a public school dawg. And there are thousands and thousands of schools both like us and better than us I wish one day a lot of black south africans take note of this.
@TheEntries
2 сағат бұрын
Hi, just curious...which school is it that you went to?
@mogomotsilesola4216
2 сағат бұрын
@@TheEntries hoerskool Lichtenburg
@vik4741
Күн бұрын
meh, rugby doesn't really have that much competition. In reality, there are only 6 teams that are trying to be highly competitive in rugby. New Zealand, England, France, Ireland, Wales and Australia. The rest of the teams either don't have enough financial resources(Fiji, Samoa, tonga) or just don't have the talent to be as competitive(Japan). So in reality, only having to be better than 6 teams is not really an amazing feat. On the other hand, almost all nations in the world try to be super competitive in football, no matter how poor the nation is. All 54 countries in Africa try to be competitive in Football, even the poorest nations try to be competitive. So it's definitely a much harder struggle to be competitive compared to rugby. And our investments have started paying off in football, we finished 3rd in the last Afcon, which was something we forgot we could do. So now, we are definitely seen as one of the top teams on the continent. Playing us is not an easy win anymore
@ntobzatk
Күн бұрын
what about development kids have to pay to play football why?
@kiboma4209
Күн бұрын
While youre not wrong, rugby is arguably still the second toughest team sport to compete in internationally. Basketball and Cricket are more popular sure but the USA and Germany are almost always guaranteed to win Basketball tournaments and Cricket is only dominated by India and Australia. Rugby meanwhile has at least like you mentioned 6 or so nations, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, England, Ireland, and France. However as time progresses nations like Fiji, Japan, and Argentina become better, allowing for the sport to be more competitive. Argentina just recently beat South Africa, Australia, and NZ in the recent TRC.
@jonnyOysters
Күн бұрын
I think comparing it to Rugby isn't really fair. But I think the competitive excuse is BS. We had a good team in the 90s? Despite never competing internationally. Was African football less competitive then? We're starting to improve which is good. But it's still a question on why we peaked over 20 years ago.
@vik4741
Күн бұрын
@@kiboma4209 Your point is a bit null and void because only 4 nations have won the rugby world cup, South Africa, New Zealand, England and Australia. Meanwhile 6 nations have won the cricket world cup: West Indies, India, Australia, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and England. That's more of a diverse range of competition. And nations like the Netherlands and Afghanistan have started becoming more competitive in Cricket. In fact, while New Zealand hasnt won a world cup title yet, they are a powerful team. So I would say that cricket is more competitive than Rugby
@vik4741
Күн бұрын
@@jonnyOysters Yes many nations on the continent were not as competitive. Some were still at war, some were recovering from wars. Their infrastructure was much worse than ours. We were way more resourced than many more nations on the continent. But in this era, now more nations have peace and there are less wars, more African players are playing in top leagues in Europe. So most nations on the continent are way more competitive than back in the 90s and early 2000s
@yolapeyana6333
Күн бұрын
It goes all the way to development, just look at school boy rugby, it has TMO while our top league doesnt even have VAR even though it was introduced in 2018 🤦♂️
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
You're comparing school boy rugby to a professional league Both you and this guy know nothing about South African football😂
@yolapeyana6333
18 сағат бұрын
@monwabisinondyola7476 it's the point I'm trying to make their school boy sport is more developed than the biggest professional league in football
@monwabisinondyola7476
17 сағат бұрын
@@yolapeyana6333 Those two aren't the same thing😂😂😂
@jasondesmidt4722
9 сағат бұрын
Thanks for putting this honest video together. It's always so easy to blame and walk away. But understanding the issues of why can help to provide the way forward.
@monwabisinondyola7476
9 сағат бұрын
He doesn't properly explain the issues of give solutions
@DakaloMooi_05
5 сағат бұрын
@monwabisinond you speak of providing solutions but you still defend SA football like there are no problems whatsoever, so again i ask , why do you do this???yola7476
@monwabisinondyola7476
4 сағат бұрын
@@DakaloMooi_05 I didn't defend it, my point is comparing rugby development structures to football development structures is pointless It's not about making school boy soccer equivalent to school boy rugby, SAFA needs to focus more on grassroots football such as local and amatuer teams because that's how Football development works
@redshark3554
Күн бұрын
Good video, but do you know why white South African hated the quota system? Because the black players that were forced to play at a level that they were not ready for, was incredibly bad.
@monwabisinondyola7476
9 сағат бұрын
Springboks have one 3 World cups since the quota system has been introduced 😂😂😂
@matthewvanrensburg3824
Күн бұрын
Bafana were top 20 in the world in the late 90s. The fall from grace since has NOTHING to do with pre-1994 and everything to do with what has happened since.
@monwabisinondyola7476
19 сағат бұрын
How were Bafana top 20 in the 90s😂?
@matthewvanrensburg3824
10 сағат бұрын
@@monwabisinondyola7476 They were, go check world ranking history, Bafana got as high as 19th or something after winning Africa Cup of Nations 1996, Tinkler, Fish etc era. Peaked around 1998 or something.
@matthewvanrensburg3824
10 сағат бұрын
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_national_soccer_team I stand corrected, they got as high as 16th actually, not 19th, August 1996, when won the Africa Cup of Nations. Everything wrong with soccer in South Africa is because of what happened under ANC rule, absolutely NOTHING to do with pre-1994. Sport doesnt know class, phletora of the worlds best of so many sports (and entertainment like musicians etc) come from the humblest of beginnings, its most often what feeds that hunger for success the best.
@monwabisinondyola7476
9 сағат бұрын
@@matthewvanrensburg3824 16th for winning Afcon in the 90s Fifa rankings shouldn't be taken seriously 😂 What else did we do in the 90s to deserve 16th spot in world rankings 😂
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