Hey all! If you’ve got strong opinions as to why you use cushioned versus narrow rims or vice versa, I’m curious to hear your reasoning-leave a comment and tell me about it!
@Jaegertiger
10 ай бұрын
Too much cushion becomes problematic.... as I expressed above in my prior comments. But I also have discovered that I CANNOT play a Schilke MP at all.... vs either a Bach, Yamaha, Monette, or... my current and primary "go to" MPs.... Giddings stainless steel. There is something about the shape of the rim that DOES NOT work for me. So I stay away from them. I also believe that whether you are a "wet" or "dry" lip player might make a difference.... which is something that each player develops and/or uses almost from the outset of their initial playing. For me, I'm a "wet" lip player and MUST establish that with EVERY time I place my lips on the MP... without fail.
@jasonplaysrecords
3 ай бұрын
The Rudy Muck 17c is my favorite mouthpiece. It also is a lot of other trumpeter’s favorite as well. Don’t let dogmatic people who say it will mess you up sway you from trying it! A lot of forums and commenters love to be so dogmatic about gear because it didn’t work for them. Don’t rain on someone else’s holy grail. You could be discouraging the next Fats Navarro from getting the piece that clicks for them. I feel this goes for all brass equipment. Ease up and realize the world doesn’t revolve around your opinion.
@SamuelPlaysBrass
3 ай бұрын
Ease up? It’s not nearly that serious, Jason. Do you see me smiling and chuckling throughout this video? This is just me trying and sharing my musings about an unconventional mouthpiece. The world absolutely does not revolve around my opinion, and I never made any assertion that it does.
@jasonplaysrecords
3 ай бұрын
My comment was directed towards people in the comment box and trumpet forums. Saying that a mouthpiece will “mess you up” and stay away from any gear can steer someone the wrong way. Wide rim mouthpieces have especially got a bashing on the forums. Your video was a good watch even though we have different opinions on the mouthpiece :) You did mention Maynard playing the piece briefly but a lot of others used this including one of the greatest to play Fats. I think it is serious because this piece can be someone’s key to success. I don’t usually comment so I thought it was serious enough to do so. Love watching the vids btw
@SamuelPlaysBrass
3 ай бұрын
@@jasonplaysrecords I appreciate the clarification-I ought to listen to more of Fats’ playing!
@jasonplaysrecords
3 ай бұрын
Oh man you have some good times ahead :) my favorites are his solos on Goin to Minton’s, and Anthropology. Although I love his sound on the Martin Committee, his work on the Conn 2b is lyrical, precise and a sound I wish more trumpeters would go for today ha.
@tomchojnowski9215
11 ай бұрын
JetTone 10S was not even close to the Ratzenberg era JetTone mouthpieces. That was very poor copy by the entity that purchased JetTone after Ratzenberger died. The newer JetTone mouthpieces( last 8 years or so) were made by Schilke so they are a better representation of the older JetTone mouthpieces. Back in the late 60’s thru the mid 80’s many great trumpet players used them. Charlie Shavers, Al Hirt, Doc Sevrinson,Bill Chase, Maynard Ferguson. Snooky Young, Ernie Royal, Lyn Nicholson, Stan Mark just to name a few. A real good JetTone type mouthpiece , but I think is more balanced and easier to play in tune is being made by Pickett Brass called the commercial series mouthpiece. I think you would really have some fun with an original JetTone T2-B or C it is closer in size to the Bach 1 series mouthpieces that you use.
@tukieu5295
Ай бұрын
Hi, sir. I can buy brand name mouthpiece rudy muck on Which website ?
@Euphonium_boi
9 ай бұрын
Too much? Man I mean if you need to get rid of ANY mouthpieces, lmk
@duncanwelborn727
19 күн бұрын
My lead piece has been a reids comfo rim labeled -019- for a long time think I found it at a thrift store but I believe it’s also a ruddy muck mp
@SamuelPlaysBrass
19 күн бұрын
@@duncanwelborn727 I’ve wondered about the “Reid’s Comfo Rim” pieces for a while. Your comment prompted me to do a Google search. It would indeed seem that Muck was the maker while Reid was simply the artist-I just find it odd that these mouthpieces don’t have any explicit Muck branding on them aside from the clear rim and number-sizing influences.
@cameronhadley5707
2 ай бұрын
Aaaye! Reinhardt plug. Haha.
@jaegertiger384
10 ай бұрын
Based on my exposure to Rudy Muck MPs is that EVERY one has a SUPER oversized cushioned rim. The primary purpose is comfort and the assertion that you could both play longer without tiring as much... plus play without as much daily practice as is required for most trumpeters. I've got one of the early models from the '30s. I wouldn't dare to play it for more than a couple of minutes... because it will screw you up.
@SamuelPlaysBrass
10 ай бұрын
I’ll bet that 90-year old Muck is pretty cool! I just don’t see how the wide rim makes playing any easier, because as you said all it does is screw me up, but I suppose there’s a reason we all play on different rim contours.
@Jaegertiger
10 ай бұрын
@@SamuelPlaysBrass The theory is like this. Many players, especially young players, use a fair amount of pressure when playing above the staff. So.. Rudy developed his theory that... IF you spread the pressure over a much wider area, then the player could continue to apply pressure without suffering the deleterious effects of the pressure -- ergo, loss of blood flow to the lips. In essence, Rudy's MPs became a "fad" of sorts, because people bought them and "seemed" to do better than they did with their other MP. They also discovered that they didn't have to practice for as long a period of time in order to maintain their chops. SO.... the Rudy MP developed its own following, but not among top-rated players. Rudy had an early, and short-lived, following. He also tried to develop a horn that was "easy" to play. But I have NO idea whether his horns accomplished what he set-out to do. You can find them, but they never "caught on" like the Conns or Selmer models... and certainly NOT like the Bach Strad. I know these things, because I inherited the Rudy Muck MP from my dad who bought it when it first came onto the Mrkt. I tried to play it for a while and the premise behind it has some validity, but I found I couldn't play as well as I could on my Bach 3C. I also found that it will SCREW YOU UP, if you play it for any length of time. So, I stay away from it as far as possible.
@jasonplaysrecords
3 ай бұрын
It will screw you up? I’m glad they didn’t tell Fats Navarro that :)
@EnglishTMTB
11 ай бұрын
Depending on the era these vary quite wildly... And they're quite often modified - that super wide rim means there's plenty of metal there to turn down and get to pretty much any rim shape yoy want... And plenty of people did. I find it hard to judge these - I don't like super wide rims (the rim itself, not the inner diameter), they just really don't work for me. Narrow-ish inner diameter is very much my thing, but not the super wide rims - my Al Cass pieces are really a perfect fit for me in both ID and rim shape.... They have very very tight backbores and the ones I use are #28 throats, too... Maybe one day I'll have to send you one to mess around with, even though they're probably not your thing 😂
@SamuelPlaysBrass
11 ай бұрын
I definitely would consider these to be ripe candidates for lathe work-but this one, there’s no way any metal had been taken off, given how wide the rim was and how narrow the cup was! I’d be curious to try a Cass someday, if one ever passes by me.
@peeemm2032
3 ай бұрын
My first trumpet teacher (school bandmaster in primary school when I was about 9yo) gave me a Rudy Muck mouthpiece. I remember it as an 18c, but this isn't listed in the only RM catalog I could find, so maybe a 17c. He played a 13c. As a budding 9yo trumpet player, it opened up my playing majorly - easier high range, better tone throughout (including low register), and much more comfortable, better endurance and easier to play than the mouthpiece that came with my Bundy student trumpet (which was probably a Bach 7c)..... I lost it somewhere along the way, but recently bought a mouthpiece that was supposed to be a copy of the RM 17c just for fun, and find it pretty much unplayable, I can barely get a sound out it....
@SamuelPlaysBrass
3 ай бұрын
It’s interesting just how much our natural physiological response to mouthpieces can change over time. I think that, plus the fact that RM mouthpieces weren’t exactly famed for consistency, could account for you not feeling like the 17C works for you despite the success you had with whichever model it may have been in your youth. I’ve more recently tried a 19C at the shop, which is still certainly not my cup of tea, but feels better balanced than the 17C in this video. A slightly wider ID for sure. Not as tight.
@peeemm2032
3 ай бұрын
@@SamuelPlaysBrass Yes indeed! The RM mouthpiece was many years ago now, and I was much younger - my dental structure, lips and muscles have probably changed since then.... Also since posting, I've become aware of the RM 19C, which seems to be a more "normal" mouthpiece than the RM 17C, so it's also possible that the RM piece I used to have, and remembered as a 21C (which doesn't seem to exist) was actually a 19C..... I suspect the consistency wasn't all that great in most mass produced mouthpieces before CNC - I have two Bach 7Cs from around the late 80s or early 90s, and they're visibly different - different rim shape and throat, and they feel like quite different mouthpieces to play. To get back to the issue you wanted people to comment on (cushion vs standard rim), I'm a "comeback" player - have just recently picked up the trumpet again after a break of about 20yrs, and am currently working to get my chops back. I was using a Shilke 12 (which has quite a wide, "cushioned" rim). It worked well for a while - it was very comfortable, but started to become more difficult to play until I reached the point where it was difficult to play at all. I'm now using a Bach 7C, which has a much narrower and sharper rim than the Shilke. It seems to be working really well, am making good progress, and it feels like my chops are now developing much faster, and in a much better way than with the Shilke. The problem is that it's just so damned uncomfortable to play, that I just don't want to play very much. I have quite uneven teeth, and think the sharp rim is causing the discomfort. I'm sure the Bach 7C is good for developing good habits in young players, and the sharp, narrow rim discourages using too much pressure, but perhaps for some people, it may not be the best option, and maybe something with a more cushioned rim (like the Shilke, or the RM I had when I was younger) might be better. I certainly remember the 7C I had when I first started playing was pretty uncomfortable back then too, and the RM was a huge improvement in every way for me.... Looking at the mouthpiece comparator at trumpet.cloud, the 3C seems to have about the same cup diameter as the 7C, but with a wider, softer rim shape and softer inside edge, so have one on the way, and am hoping it will be the best of both worlds.....
@leomcdonnell8939
8 ай бұрын
Hi Samuel, i have a Rudy Mück 4M Serial number is 2280 On the mouthpiece it says, 19c Rudy Mück Cushion Rim Made in England. I can send you some photos on request. Any idea what year it might be ? going by the serial number. Regards, Leo. BTW, Great video 👍
@SamuelPlaysBrass
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment, Leo. I did some Googling and it seems that the Muck serial list is horribly maintained and there are contradictions even within the very little information that is available. The best estimate I could give you is mid-to-late 1950s, but even then I could be wrong.
@leomcdonnell8939
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for that Samuel 👍
@EnglishTMTB
11 ай бұрын
Too many mouthpieces?! Is that all???? 😂😂😂
@SamuelPlaysBrass
11 ай бұрын
Unfortunately not-I probably have close to as many off the rack as on it 😂
@mrdaveearle73
9 ай бұрын
I love playing on rudy mucks
@SamuelPlaysBrass
9 ай бұрын
That makes one of us, frankly.
@peternaryd_operasinger
11 ай бұрын
Great video Samuel!👍👍
@mjm4455
11 ай бұрын
17C cup .6875" , semi shallow, bowl shaped, full cushion. overall width 1.01"
@SamuelPlaysBrass
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, no, this mouthpiece was absolutely not .6875” in diameter. I play on inner diameters in that range and this mouthpiece felt tiny by comparison. That’s the reason I made this video-because the specs online are completely out of whack.
@norandavis856
9 ай бұрын
I have a Rudy Muck trombone I inherited from my grandfather, who bought the horn in 1938. The mouthpiece says the same thing almost on the front and on the back is “26”, who are likewise not great friends it appears lol if you think trying to find info on Rudy Muck trumpets is hard? Finding that info on trombones is even worse! I can’t find anything on it. It’s in really great condition for being nearly 100yrs old, and it’s tone is incredible!
@SamuelPlaysBrass
9 ай бұрын
Haha, I definitely believe you! I’ve never even seen a Rudy Muck trombone. That’s great that it works and sounds nice!
@norandavis856
9 ай бұрын
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I took it to my brassiere for cleaning and slide alignment and he called me and said he’s only seen one or two in the last 35yrs and expressed to me how rare and sought after it was. I’ve been trying to find more information on it ever since to no avail lol I have the original case and everything. So, if you know any experts who may have more information PLEASE point them in my direction! I can send pictures if needed
@domepiece11
11 ай бұрын
Why are all your main mouthpieces massive?
@SamuelPlaysBrass
11 ай бұрын
This topic honestly deserves a video of its own-the short answer is it works for me thanks to a combination of necessity and a little confirmation bias, and it probably won’t work for most people, particularly the deeper-cupped ones I use like the 1-1/2A.
@EnglishTMTB
11 ай бұрын
There's many potential answers. One that's fairly common is... It's easier to go bigger than it is to go smaller. So if you pick up a piece that's a little bit bigger, it'll often feel, sound and play better initially (and the opposite for something a bit smaller)... Make enough steps of which most are to go larger and you can see the end result - larger is what'll work for you, and it's much harder to work back to smaller sizes even if you want to. It'll be interesting to see whether Sam's journey through playing will ever include a transition to narrower and/or shallower and/or tighter... It might, but many go bigger and just stay there, so it very well might not!
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