Don't forget that the 2x mode still exists and is getting better in terms of efficiency and image quality with each update
@Dregomz02
29 күн бұрын
Yeah that's what i'm using in Burnout Paradise Remastered.
@damara2268
29 күн бұрын
The 2X mode has best quality of course
@theaverageplayer1656
29 күн бұрын
Am I misreading the patch notes or this latest one doesn't talk about X2? Only about X3 improvements "X3 mode has been updated to further reduce artifacts on patterned textures and in dark scenes."
@remstesthd6784
29 күн бұрын
x2 mode is the best in term of latency and visual quality. best use in fps capped games ofc like elden ring
@jooyichen
29 күн бұрын
Nvidia saved the industry from SLI and CROSSFIRE. Artificially doubled or tripled the GPUs you own. You all owe Nvidia an apology.
@Yes917
29 күн бұрын
If you don't like the latency, you can try the "Allow Tearing" option under Sync mode. It significantly reduces latency at the cost of potential screen tearing. However, after 60ish hours of using this option, I haven't experienced screen tearing at all. Obviously, it might not work as well on EVERY game and EVERY pc but its a pretty huge improvement, so its worth a try for anyone who has LS.
@briando8150
29 күн бұрын
I find the Performance toggle does more for input lag for me
@ravenger2445
29 күн бұрын
Yes, VRR technologies often handle the tearing by themselves, making VRR and Allow Tearing LSFG a win-win.
@thepetesuprize3126
29 күн бұрын
@@ashishgoyal8655lossless
@LightningMcqueef.
29 күн бұрын
@@briando8150 u mean it helps with latency or hurts it?
@Ardenict
29 күн бұрын
Woah this is huge help. Thank you
@AzariusR
29 күн бұрын
Never in my whole life do I expect a pixelated Duck software on Steam could double,triple or QUADRUPLE my FPS in games. TFS is legend for upgrading this for free constantly. Lossless Scaling is truly the GOAT when you wanted to get more FPS on games that didn't have the expensive exclusive DLSS or AMD's whatever FSR or FMF, this Duck just say "Let me allow every single game be blessed with tons of Frames and Resolution!" and then the frames actually did appear. It really saved my precious GTX 1060 6GB from early retirement and I believe it will benefit people who had crazy high Hz monitors or uses a high frame rate TV madlads to use this just for the sake of playing anything on 4k or 8k.
@kerkertrandov459
6 күн бұрын
Unfortunately lossless scaling is snake oil. The upscaling is literally just worse dlss/fsr. The frame gen reduces ur native frames to put more fake frames. Fake frames are not real frames, they just create the illusion of smoothness. Ur input lag is still based on ur real native frames, which are now lower thanks to lossless scaling consuming gpu power and vram. The 3000 and 4000 series have special hardware in them that is used for dlss and frame gen. This hardware makes the performance cost of those nvidia features practically zero, which lossless scaling doesn't have because it's a software implementation rather than a hardware one. U're better off just saving money, buying a used 3060 if on a budget and using dlss, that will give u much better quality at a much smaller performance cost. The frame gen feature could be useful for games that dont have native frame gen, but unfortunately its gsync support is lackluster. And gsync/freesync aren't even that good. Special K's latent sync blows both of them out of the water. Even then u need at least a 144hz monitor to make it worth using. If u have a decent gpu like a 4070 or above, u shouldnt struggle getting 144 fps on non-demanding games, and the demanding ones usually have native frame gen included anyway. So pretty much the only time this program is worth using is if u have an older gpu with a 144hz monitor where u get around 75-80 fps stable. Lock the framerate to 72 and double it up to 144. And even then u miss out on latent sync and u have to use a shitty gsync implementation. Aint worth it unless ure really destitude.
@Yolo_Swaggins
5 күн бұрын
@@kerkertrandov459 It's not snake oil for emulators and games that are locked to 30fps or 60 fps
@kerkertrandov459
4 күн бұрын
@@Yolo_Swaggins just use a fps unlocker then
@Yolo_Swaggins
4 күн бұрын
@@kerkertrandov459 FPS unlockers aren't a option for most older games on a emulator where making the frame rate higher breaks the physics or makes the game run too fast or nerfs jumping etc.
@kerkertrandov459
4 күн бұрын
@@Yolo_Swaggins bboomer gaming
@basilez
29 күн бұрын
Congrats on the shoutout in the latest Hardware Unbox video Daniel, you're getting some well deserved recognition unc
@xdgiih766
29 күн бұрын
can't believe i'm seeing the word 'unc' in a youtube comment
@jeremyg2236
29 күн бұрын
What is it about?
@ArdaSReal
29 күн бұрын
My goat made it
@emilgustavsson7310
29 күн бұрын
While you have a fair point as far as Daniels recognition goes, you are steppin out of line junior. Sit tf down boi.
@inkredebilchina9699
29 күн бұрын
derbauer was also there. :)
@NulJern
29 күн бұрын
highly technical and accurate diagram is all we ask for :D
@risingg3169
29 күн бұрын
I used the program for a few months now already and from my experience as long as you aren't specifically looking for the artifacts and those little jittering pixels I have no issues and em very greatfull for this to exist
@G0A7
29 күн бұрын
I used it on chrono trigger, the only problem i saw was the text showing up (more times if it was on top Idk why), pretty neat feature
@risingg3169
29 күн бұрын
@@G0A7 maybe try with the G-sync now available turned on? It could be because sometimes they add the jittering on the top but with g sync this then gets rid of the problem
@G0A7
29 күн бұрын
@@risingg3169 i could try but tbh 60fps is more than enough for chrono trigger, more often than not i just forget that i have It installed and just plain without it
@Lm-yu6bs
19 күн бұрын
@@risingg3169can i use this with a weak cpu and a strong gpu ? 12400f and 7800xt.
@randomname2914
9 күн бұрын
🤮
@KillFrenzy96
29 күн бұрын
Lossless scaling at 4x is great for 2D games with lots of scrolling. These games are often limited to 60 fps (such as Factorio and Terraria). These games combined with my 240 Hz monitor looks fantastic. All motion blur induced by tracking objects with your eye is almost eliminated.
@sudd3660
29 күн бұрын
the problem is 60fps is not enough base framerate
@Raivo_K
28 күн бұрын
@@sudd3660 For what? For 1x 60 is perfectly fine. 2x too depending on game. For 3x i agree that base framerate should be closer to 90 or so.
@100Bucks
28 күн бұрын
I play Super Smash flash 2. This game is locked on 30fps. This game needs this app to achieve 60fps. Ain't no other option to fix this but to use Lossless Scaling. 😅
@goldenheartOh
28 күн бұрын
I figured loss of fine detail during motion would mostly negate any benefit of higher fps. Sounds like this works better with 2D games.
@KillFrenzy96
28 күн бұрын
@@sudd3660 Many of these games utilize a hardware cursor which is unaffected by the frame rate or latency. This makes input lag way less noticeable.
@عبدالرحمن-د1ث
29 күн бұрын
“when I’m fighting in combat” *following a rabbit to massacre the poor thing* 💀
@k0lpA
20 күн бұрын
and missing XD
@raven3696
29 күн бұрын
In case no one's mentioned it here yet or tried it, you can also use Lossless Scaling for videos and it works surprisingly well. However, you do need to be on fullscreen and there should be no UI elements present such as captions or the scrub bar otherwise you will get FPS fluctuations. Also works alongside RTX VSR.
@blisphul8084
20 күн бұрын
@@raven3696 wait... That is actually lit! I'll have to try this on KZitem videos and maybe even movies and see how they look
@prequall
17 күн бұрын
Videos don't work like games, 24fps will look better than 60fps
@SpaceRanger187
9 күн бұрын
does it work for online games like cod or tarkov
@papiertoilette-pb9lf
7 күн бұрын
@@prequall it won't for some people, i now watch film at around 90fps and it's much better than the laggy 24fps, can't stand it anymore...
@ThaimachineFilms
6 күн бұрын
@@papiertoilette-pb9lf movies are made to be 24fps for reason. give it more than 60fps give its a cheap "soap effect" look. looks like robotic , or game like. but if u like that thats fine.
@Yakoo86
29 күн бұрын
I just bought and tested it. X2 is the best option. No need to use X4. 120/144 FPS is enough. X2 has a very good quality too. I didnt even notice that there are any artifactes. This shit is better than Frame Generation and FSMR LOL,
@Jeannemarre
21 күн бұрын
This app just saved my 3090 in black myth wukong lol.
@Yakoo86
21 күн бұрын
@@Jeannemarre yea, this app is great for capping to your max refresh rate too. Also for games which are hard capped at 60, like Tekken 8. I play Tekken 8 with smooth 120 fps and you do not notice any more input lag.
@Jeannemarre
21 күн бұрын
@@Yakoo86 that’s dope !!
@ghostlu5462
21 күн бұрын
The thing is that 120/144 means you have Sync in Default and not in OFF (allow tearing), which means you have more input lag. Best option is 2x performance mode with allow tearing
@k45oz29
21 күн бұрын
@@ghostlu5462This Honestly Using the LS1 Upscaler + the X2, both on performance, have minimum impact on the image while feeling smooth. Each update silently boosts X2 Frame rate to the point is the best choice for a lot of gamers.
@istaygolden3017
28 күн бұрын
Hardware Unboxed shouted you out in their last video, great work!
@francischabot1412
29 күн бұрын
I downloaded more SSD space yesterday. The cool thing is i did not have enough space to download the extra space but the extra space gave me the option to download the extra space on the extra space itself. The problem is the download was so massive that at the end of the day i have the same amount of SSD space as before.
@Imdrekaiser
29 күн бұрын
What 😭
@RFC3514
29 күн бұрын
I downloaded more internet speed, but unfortunately the download of the speed itself takes up so much bandwidth that it eats into itself. Still, it's essentially free, so I think I'll keep downloading it just so I can tell people I have a faster connection.
@Mashiyat
29 күн бұрын
You guys creating paradox now?😭 (Nice analogy lmao)
@emilgustavsson7310
29 күн бұрын
underrated
@Ardenict
29 күн бұрын
The SSD got bigger but it has the same memory space inside of it
@JBFC112
29 күн бұрын
I tested it today on youtube and a movie. And - ITS WORKS! You can boost 4k 25 fps video to 100fps or 24fps movie to 96 fps even in fullscreen without graphics problems.
@Lurch-Bot
29 күн бұрын
Hadn't gotten around to trying it like that but was hoping it might work. I tend to stream at 720p but have a 1440p 165 Hz monitor. I've only tried it on a few games. Didn't work with LA Noire but worked very well on FH4.
@melxvee6850
29 күн бұрын
That's not advised, running movies at 60fps is already bad, the motion is broken and image quality is also broken It looks smooth yes but it's a movie
@youravghuman5231
29 күн бұрын
Everything under solid 60 fps is trash for fg. 24fps video is already so jelly when you push it to 58 let alone 96
@xShikari
29 күн бұрын
@@melxvee6850It depends on the movie. Panning shots look awful on most screens nowadays, this should fix that shouldn't it?
@melxvee6850
29 күн бұрын
@@xShikari no, what should fix it is internal motion pacing Same in games The game could be running at 60fps then see a random item or character moving at 30fps or less Sometimes it can be cool Like into the spiderverse where Miles is moving at 12fps but the movie is 24fps But running a movie at 60fps is awful, the movement is very video game looking It's like those people who were upscaling JJK episodes from 24fps to 48fps and upscaled to 4K Way too much ghosting and flames looked very liquid You could see this with a satellite tv running on a Samsung or LG 4K60 display It upscales everything to run at 60fps Every single movie no matter how old it's got that motion smoothing feature on that basically doubles the frame rate and everything you watch is at 60fps
@noliferxd
29 күн бұрын
Now I'm waiting for someone to try AMD AFMF + FSR FG + LS. Complete madness
@amuiznblh
29 күн бұрын
Tried it, unfortunately no.. Afmf and Lsfg will turned each other off lol. Similar software conflicting.
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
29 күн бұрын
@@amuiznblh but fsr fg and lsfg can work right ?
@amuiznblh
29 күн бұрын
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Yes you can stack in game Fg and Lsfg, Tried it on Cyberpunk with Fsr fg mod resulted in 660fps with 1440p low preset Fsr balanced *And Spiderman Miles Morales's Fsr 3 Fg around the same fps due to Lsfg capped to monitor refresh rate for base Fps. I have 165hz monitor so x4 from Lsfg is 660fps.
@seolhs
29 күн бұрын
나는 이미 그것을 시도했다. 특정 게임에서는 매우 잘 작동합니다.
@lyxsm
29 күн бұрын
I did that... the game rendered at negative frames and scaled them up to 144, as a neat little side effect my GPU has its own singularity
@Rulz121
29 күн бұрын
I’m definitely downloading lossless for Elden Ring to get a better gaming experience!!!! Thank you!🤩
@TLPWRlifter
8 күн бұрын
I literally cannot play Elden Ring without lossless scaling enabled. I have probably put 100 hours into lossless scale and through Elden ring alone
@LivinProoof
6 күн бұрын
@@TLPWRlifter And what kind of FPS jump did you obtain in it? Also what are the best settings? I'm seeing a lot of people say x2 and allow tearing?
@ldntbutiiwii
29 күн бұрын
Great breakdown. I love the highly accurate and technical breakdown graphs. Yuge update for high refresh rate panel enjoyers
@briando8150
29 күн бұрын
Turn the Performance toggle to On for better latency! Theres a bit more artifacting, but its less noticeable the more frames you feed it, and its less noticable than the input lag.
@Lurch-Bot
29 күн бұрын
I've used it with 2x scaling and 2x FG to play FH4 at 1440p60 with a GTX 670 SC. Both on performance mode. Things got a bit wobbly when moving through my garage quickly but in play, latency was low and the image good. Good enough to be normally competitive in ranked racing. I've played the game at least 120 hours like that.
@GewelReal
29 күн бұрын
@@Lurch-Botupgrade your GPU
@parsashirali8957
29 күн бұрын
@GewelReal my guy, if we could, would we be using lossless scaling?
@dingickso4098
29 күн бұрын
@@GewelReal Yeah right why dont you donate me an RTX 6090 Ti?
@GewelReal
29 күн бұрын
@@dingickso4098 it hasn't released yet so no
@JasonChen927
29 күн бұрын
Additionally, the image quality of 2x mode has improved a lot since the latest update, espacially in some darker scenes.
@RyanKristoffJohnson
27 күн бұрын
I recently started using LSFG in Helldivers 2. Works pretty darn well! For better latency, make sure to turn on ULLM/Reflex in your Nvidia control panel. With ULLM off the delay is pretty noticeable. With ULLM on, delay is barely there and easy to forget about. Baseline FPS on my rig is ~100 or so. With LSFG on it makes it 80-90 baseline with 160+ output.
@bb5307
9 күн бұрын
It only works when you put --use-d3d11 in the steam launch parameter as driver level ULLM does nothing in DX12 (The reason why they came up with reflex and put it into games)
@RyanKristoffJohnson
9 күн бұрын
@@bb5307 Interesting. I'm pretty sure I noticed a decent difference between Off vs Ultra. I can double check it though
@tree2782
3 күн бұрын
@@RyanKristoffJohnsonLatest version of RTSS also features Nvidia reflex as the frame limiter. I tried it and it works for games with no in-game reflex option. Try this instead of ULLM.
@khlk9485
9 сағат бұрын
oh my god.I never knew about this..got it straight away for my emulators and older pc games thank you so much x
@FO0TMinecraftPVP
29 күн бұрын
Finally, I can download frames. When can I download more ram?
@bismuth7730
29 күн бұрын
Theoretically you could use Onedrive as ram.
@aeppikx
7 күн бұрын
proberly to young for that meme xd that goes back to the late 90´s early 2000´s
@bismuth7730
6 күн бұрын
@@aeppikx i know the meme, i just wanted to be a smartass and say people have managed to use onedrive as "ram"
@ThatArtismo
8 күн бұрын
9:44 - bro casually kicking out 3 headshots on pedestrians is wild 😂
@Kyo-uo1lr
29 күн бұрын
I remember long ago i used to skip frames on ps2 emulator and up to 2x it worked more or less playable. And now instead of skipping we're adding frames. What a plot twist. Btw in Valheim even AFMF2 feels perfect, with L.S. it would be probably even better.
@AlphaMachina
6 күн бұрын
This can make your VRAM run extremely hot, like 90C+, so be careful with it. Monitor your VRAM temps on your GPU.
@ReallyNotTrixYT
29 күн бұрын
You probably won't notice the artifacting while actively engaged in a fast paced game. It's when you go out of your way to find them using flick tests that they become more apparent. Something to note is that lowering the Mode to X2 and enabling Performance Mode (and setting Sync Mode to Disabled) significantly helps latency. While X4 is cool, it's unoptimized and without the performance settings will result in a bad time latency wise
@adink6486
29 күн бұрын
Considering X2 is Quality and X4 is performance. I actually use the X2 to save power on my 3090. I limited my AW3423DWF refresh rate to 120 so I can use 10-bit. Then I cap the refresh rate in games to 60/90 and just let the X2 generate the rest.
@IRaoulDuke
29 күн бұрын
I have the same monitor, do you have a link to setup 10bit color?
@DesocupadoXtremo
29 күн бұрын
Is 10 bit that much worth it to drop from 165hz?
@SLModernJukebox
29 күн бұрын
yeh 2x is good enough to play with good image quality, also I'm using 2x and i have 88 fps on cyberpunk 2077, before 42 fps without using lossless scaling. i'm using gtx 1080 8gb GPU
@silvio3d
29 күн бұрын
@@SLModernJukebox 60fps is the minimum tu use 2x
@dingickso4098
29 күн бұрын
@@silvio3d Nope. It is 30fps. 60fps is the recommended.
@vtrhbr
29 күн бұрын
Can you compare AFMF latency vs the latency in Lossless Scaling? Never seen that comparison.
@danielowentech
29 күн бұрын
The best way to test that would be with a click-to-photon measurement, which I don't own the hardware to do.
@RurouTube
29 күн бұрын
@@danielowentech While it is the best way, you can always record at the highest FPS your phone or camera can do and slow it down. It will not be the most accurate in terms of milliseconds but I think most people just want to know which one has the lowest latency. If they can see one is visually faster than the other, it should be enough. Also maybe an image quality comparison would be nice as in try to target a stable FPS (either 60 or 120FPS or both!) and record it. The reason for stable FPS is to guarantee that the recording is good and hopefully get a clean capture. I'm not sure the built in recording feature like from AMD Adrenalin can capture FG, but if it can, you can use that since we are not concerned about the absolute performance. If not, then obviously you can use capture card. Whatever works best for you.
@Nicx343x
29 күн бұрын
Afmf2 has less latency lossless scaling has more quality
@FireCestina1200
29 күн бұрын
@@Nicx343xAFMF doesn't have less quality. FSR 2.1 has less quality. If you combine both. Yeah. The quality is slightly worse.
@FireCestina1200
29 күн бұрын
Unless you set manually your software + game. Adrenalin isn't newbie friendly.
@KrisDee1981
28 күн бұрын
Guys if your monitor has crosshair overlay in OSD you can use it instead and disable crosshair in the games 🙂
@afroize
18 күн бұрын
The monitor crosshairs are usually so bad though lol
@KrisDee1981
18 күн бұрын
@@afroize Yeah you are right they usually don't look great, but I think there is probably some software overlay available, like Crosshair V2 on steam.
@vijayla21
12 күн бұрын
Only use them for snipers
@raresmacovei8382
29 күн бұрын
Regarding 10:10 when Daniel enables LSFG x4 on top of DLSS3 FG. He's attempting base 40, DLSS3 FG doubled to 80 and then quadrupled to 320. But he's not locking a perfect 80/320 at all times, he's doing 74/305 or smth. That's due to the GPU being maxed out. If he'd drop some settings so the fps would be 100% locked to 80 / 320, the input lag would be significantly better. Talking as someone with a 7900 XTX that played Cyberpunk Path Traced using base 40, FSR3 FG to 80 and then LSFG x3 to 240 fps.
@chacharealsmooth941
29 күн бұрын
How can you use FG in Cyberpunk? Do you mean afmf?
@raresmacovei8382
29 күн бұрын
@@chacharealsmooth941 Either LukeFZ mod (Patreon) or DLSS Enabler (Nexus). I mean FSR3 FG, not AFMF.
@chacharealsmooth941
28 күн бұрын
@@raresmacovei8382 Gotcha. Used it myself and it works, though the quality is not perfect.
@chasegimbel1904
17 күн бұрын
@@chacharealsmooth941 well ya theres trade offs, otherwise no one would ever buy a new gpu, although maybe in the future fg will be so good that it wont matter anymore
@SirThanksalott
29 күн бұрын
Daniel, congrats! You have now become an educator and a youtuber. So that answers your dilemma that you were facing in one of your past videos. You offer a great easy to understand explanation that many people may not understand, the difference in latency, and the explanation of the values being presented. Appreciate it!
@deus_nsf
29 күн бұрын
Really interesting video Daniel! However when stacking frame gens, you should absolutely use the performance mode, in your frame gen stack example your base FPS post DLSS FG dropped significantly, showing a big GPU bottleneck, please retry this (for yourself, not on video) and tell me if it improves things, it should! Also please lock your base FPS with the in game frame limiter to 59 FPS, so 59 -> 118 with DLSS FG + Reflex, then x4 performance 118 to 472 FPS to be in VRR range for minimal input lag :) With this it should feel, and look, amazing :)
@lucesdelodivino
28 күн бұрын
Daniel, it would be great if you could try LSC with a second GPU for frame generation. From the LSC panel itself, you can select which GPU you want to use. This way, there is no frame loss on the GPU that is rendering the game. I haven't seen any channel doing that.
@CyberPashtet
29 күн бұрын
In absolutely any game, input lag increases very much if your GPU is loaded at 95-100%, it doesn't matter how much fps you have, Nvidia reflex PARTIALLY solves this problem, but the best solution today is still lock fps. Cyberpunk and Elden Ring showed you this very clearly, it's not about the gamepad and mouse. LSFG works best if your GPU is never loaded at 100% and your base fps never drops below 60.
@ICaImI
29 күн бұрын
Have been using this for quite some time now and I am really happy with it. I personally do not really care about hud elements having errors and the artifacts are also barely noticeable, at least for me. I don't really pay too much attention to finer details. I have a 165hz monitor for almost 2 years now but I couldn't really utilize it. I was mostly stuck on 120-144hz because of performance, even with x2 frame gen of Nvidia (I have a 4080). Since x3 mode I can play pretty much every game at 165fps, so I can finally use the 165hz of my monitor. And yea like you said, with games like Mordhau (competitive game) I do not use it because of the latency. But in single player games that aren't crazy fast paced, 60fps baseline is perfectly fine latency wise. Only downside is: you can't really go back to something like 60fps. My god it feels like lag 🤣
@StuffedCake
29 күн бұрын
Should specify that this application is the star of the show for emulation. Emulation, you're looking for a fixed frame rate 100% of the time. That goes great with this application that works best while at a stable FPS as well. VRR doesn't do anything for emulation and can cause slow motion at lower frame rates. Games that lock at 30 FPS aren't great but games that lock at 60FPS like many Mario 3D titles, feel much better with it on.
@blisphul8084
28 күн бұрын
Imagine wind waker at 120fps
@thebigcj517
28 күн бұрын
When games close at 30 frames, it seems as if they are at 60 frames, but this is a shame. The more the frames are cut, the more the control becomes heavier and heavier, and this is annoying.
@blisphul8084
28 күн бұрын
@@thebigcj517 unless you can do run ahead frames like retroarch and combine that with the frame smoothing, since computing power isn't the limitation here
@k0lpA
20 күн бұрын
Oh I gotta try this
@theinsaneunknown
28 күн бұрын
Quality was great man, especially after KZitem compression and loss. Subbed
@Dionyzos
29 күн бұрын
First DLSS 2.0 dropped and I couldn't believe it wasn't magic. Then Nvidia released Frame Gen and it's almost as impressive. I can't wait for what they are cooking up next. They should definitely be criticized for their anti consumer behaviour but you can't deny the genius of their engineers.
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
29 күн бұрын
No one's talking about Nvidia and their walled garden here. Also they've already released a new "magic", it's called ray reconstruction.
@JABelms
29 күн бұрын
It's just like an evolution of injectors back in the day, they just fiddle with settings to make games look better than they actually are. It isn't a replacement for native, and it certainly isn't magic. More like copium for devs inability to properly optimize PC games
@s.muller8688
29 күн бұрын
@@JABelms bingo.
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
29 күн бұрын
@@JABelms agreed, the way people are labelling it as magic is insane
@Raivo_K
28 күн бұрын
Using words like magic and genius bring back bad memories of Apple's language. I dont agree with glorifying these big corporations. Unfortunately Nvidia is more and more Apple like.
@tillskyfallsdown
29 күн бұрын
Excellent video and explanations of how it all works, good job Daniel.
@amzgamingx
29 күн бұрын
Daniel can you please try using Lossless Scaling with the RX 7600? Its crashing allot for me and im not the only one. There's a whole thread on the official discord but so far nothing has changed with each update :(
@YourDevil54
29 күн бұрын
i wish nvidia will make 2x 3x 4x framegen for 50-series. also enjoy amd as always 🗿
@Anon12375
29 күн бұрын
Its crashing on my 1660S as well
@MiGujack3
29 күн бұрын
I run it with 6600 XT no issues.
@amzgamingx
29 күн бұрын
@@MiGujack3 Its RX 7600 and RX 580 issue. My PC blacks out and shuts down while using stock settings without any overclocking or undervolting. The GPU works fine for gaming and there's no issue but when I use Lossless the PC crashes and shuts down. I'm not the only one as i've found posts relating to this issue on the steam page, their discord and reddit. Just hoping to see if Daniel can figure it out because i wanna use this thing.
@emmanuila7747
29 күн бұрын
@@amzgamingxtry upscale from 1440p to 4K this will fix your crashing maybe
@fafnirymd
16 күн бұрын
this thing is the best thing ever made in gaming history, it helps me with helldivers, where I have a 4060 ti gpu and a weak cpu for the game amd 5600x that causing me only reached around 40-55 fps max in that game (while wukong can grant me around 70-80 fps in cinematic) , was thought to upgrade my whole pc except the gpu, and then I found your video, and try it, it works just like magic, as you said frame gen doenst increase response time, but highers fps, makes my own natural response time better XD
@ryujigames2509
29 күн бұрын
I wish ths focused on quality of frame generation instead of quantity of frames. The x2 is amazing but still has flickering issues (especially with 3rd person games)
@christophermullins7163
29 күн бұрын
That is an odd statement. Increasing the number of frame inserted is by far the easy part. The entire task with frame Gen is to accurately predict the frame while not increasing latency. AMD could easily make an upscaler that look BETTER than dlss.. know why they don't no it? Because turning it on would DEcrease your frame rate instead of increasing it. Same here.. they could easily make the 2x be Far better quality but the hit to base performance would be so much that it is not worth using. There is a limited amount of resources that these programs have to work with as well as limited data to work with.. only the pixels on your screen. That is it and they do an excellent job with that limited info. You're saying they should be working on the really hard issue instead of offering the really easy stuff like 3x 4x. Doesn't really make sense. Everyone likes the option to do 4x even if just for the fun of it.
@BourbonBiscuit.
29 күн бұрын
@@ryujigames2509 that’s what Nvidia frame generation is
@waltuhputurdaway
29 күн бұрын
@@BourbonBiscuit.explain that?
@christophermullins7163
29 күн бұрын
@@waltuhputurdawayThe only way to get better frames than Lossless is to use raw data that comes directly from the game engine even before the frame is rendered completely. Motion vectors is the big one people talk about but there is other useful data as well. Sure, Lossless with get better but it will only get a bit better. By time gpus are strong enough to be able to use a significant more resources to generation frame, there will be ai driven framegen in every game for every GPU. With Lossless.. there is a limit to how good it can get.
@BourbonBiscuit.
29 күн бұрын
@@waltuhputurdaway Nvidia FG image quality has come a long way, instead of just multiplying frames more
@N1ghtR1der666
7 күн бұрын
As someone that loves this software and uses it in most games I do want to advise that it it does drop your base frame rate by about 10-20 fps so if your too far under 60fps it will induce fairly significant input latency, anywhere near or above 60fps and its a significant improvement to smoothness
@alexcooper8074
29 күн бұрын
I love this application and use it daily. Yes there are some artifacts, often small or dismissable for me. In shooters I won't use it and will perfer any built in game options. Reguardless, this is amazing. It's best used in non-esport type games like for me: Witcher 3, Spiderman, Path of Exile mapping, and best of all youtube/google chrome. Since many videos and movies are uploaded with 32 fps, this makes the videos really feel like 120, and makes me feel like I'm getting real use out of my monitor outside of just gaming. Really appreaciate the work they put into this and making it so simple to use.
@ishi...
9 күн бұрын
I think, you mentioned in earlier videos, that capping the base frame rate can limit latency, which you did not mention in this video. I used this with a RTX2060 to play Black Myth Wukong with 120 fps on 1440p high settings with dlss on 50% (40% in chapter 3) to get 30fps capped base frame rate and it played wonderfully. Not capping the framerat introduced latency spikes.
@xPlasmaz
29 күн бұрын
didnt watch the whole vid but if you want to demonstrate the smoothness cant you record at 240fps, and play it at 0.25 speed on youtube to display each frame. Obviously people who have 240hz know its smoother, its just seeing the quality of each frame and we can picture it back together at full speed.
@cajampa
29 күн бұрын
Agreed. I think he should record it at 120hz and then slow it down to 1/2 and upload it as that. And then those with a 120hz screen can run it at 2x and they will get the real 120hz video.
@spencer4hire81
29 күн бұрын
Wouldn’t the algorithm crush his stats if everyone watched a large section of his video at 4x speed though?
@cajampa
29 күн бұрын
@@spencer4hire81 Everyone can not watch his video in 2x and get the benefits from seeing it in 120hz. Only those with 120hz screens. I pretty much always watch in 2x anyway. Sure he gets a less watch time. But so what. The whole point is he is showing of high frame rate video. And this is a technique he could use to improve, what his audience will see compared to what he sees and not be limited to 60fps KZitem videos.
@juneaoalfred3704
28 күн бұрын
i managed to get solid 60fps with the Rx580 and 1440p monitor. mixed low medium high ultra setting and DLSS Enabler Mod + LSFG. you need to cap the actual fps using rivatuner tho.. 60/120 is smooth af with Freesync or Gsync.
@swianr
29 күн бұрын
You should have tried dlss 3 frame gen with LS x2 rather than x4 to see if the latency penalty is as heavy
@Samer_Design
29 күн бұрын
bruuh it is not that simple , you cant use 2 fg together or it will give you bad frame pacing and quality and also bad latency
@cajampa
29 күн бұрын
LS x2 and x4 latency should be the same. It is still a frame behind.
@christophermullins7163
29 күн бұрын
What I was thinking. I'ma try it in cyberpunk when I get home from work lol
@Samer_Design
29 күн бұрын
@@cajampa it is not the same at all , you can test it even without numbers the diff is so obvious , also x4 will eats alot of base fps so you got that too
@Samer_Design
29 күн бұрын
@@christophermullins7163 there is no coordination between real and generated frames if you use both of them at the same time it will be bloody mess my man it is not just math x2 x2 =4 , enjoy the mess lol
@valkewy
11 күн бұрын
I've encountered this problem today, after buying Crosshair X, it's a crosshair app which goes as a semi-overlay onto your Rust game adding a crosshair. I've tried scaling my game repeatedly with all types of settings from Lossless Scaling, even with older versions, modes, nothing helps. The scaling is being done on the Crosshair X instead of on Rust and this makes my Rust game run in 40fps because CrosshairX is scaled. I've also tried first scaling Rust, then adding and turning on the Crossshair X app so that it won't be scaled, doesn't work. I've also tried disabling fullscreen optimizations, so on in the properties of the apps. Any fixes? I am desperate... A fix I would see working perfectly would be Lossless Scaling being blocked to scale on Crosshair X and locked only to scale with Rust game, but I don't really know how to do that. Need help!!!
@artofwar420
29 күн бұрын
I randomly found Lossless Scaling by looking for an app that let me scale my old games using integer scaling, which it does beautifully for most games. Slowly they added more features and it's probably the best few dollars I ever spent on any windows app. The frame generation works so well, yes it's not perfect and requires certain settings like windowed mode, etc. But when it's all in action and activated it's almost like downloading more GPU. Feels good.
@flare0152
29 күн бұрын
I experimented with this on my 6600XT with a 170hz 1440p monitor with vrr. It works great and I don’t notice any ghosting or artifacts pop up, but I do want to avoid having them whenever possible, same story with the latency since I play with a controller most of the time. Works best when you maintain a consistent 60fps to begin with
@granglerarcade1950
29 күн бұрын
I tried Lossless Scaling X4 earlier on Trepang2 a super fast game and noticed no input latacy at all and i found i died less and played better with the fluidity absulutly amazing i would rarther use this than Dlss frame generation the end of the gun gargled slightly but on a faced paced game not notale what so ever.
@Harrave
27 күн бұрын
Been using it for about 2 months now, and I'm halfway through replaying God of War since it first came out on PS4, works flawlessly. Lossless scaling is a must buy gem. Definitely a must have for the chill non competitive games.
@mikalappalainen2041
29 күн бұрын
With my 3070, it's either this or FSR 3.0 modded frame generation. And at the moment, this seems better.
@damara2268
29 күн бұрын
This is better cause it's much easier to use. Just keyboard shortcut and no need to install any mods that might as well glitch the game out
@mikalappalainen2041
29 күн бұрын
@@damara2268 I have Lossless Scaling. And I have used FSR 3.0 mod on Cyberpunk 2077 for example. Being easier does not matter to me. What matters is there a mod or not. And the image quality, how much the base frame rate drops etc.
@user-fz7mj2cc2v
2 күн бұрын
@@mikalappalainen2041FSR 3 much better, tested in TLOU . Lossless Scaling in this game works like shit and burn gpu a lot, Fsr decrease gpu usage, temp, give more stable fps and decrease latency much better. Only one reason to use lossless, game without Fsr3 generation
@akashgupta7214
25 күн бұрын
Best video looking for info like this for a long time
@andreaspooky6183
29 күн бұрын
I can finally play my latest DooM at 1840 fps
@DystopianUtopia8
29 күн бұрын
But is that enough? 🤔
@JanM2
29 күн бұрын
Do you also have a 1840hz monitor?
@christophermullins7163
29 күн бұрын
@@JanM2he is the first person to get the new neuro-vision from neurolink. There is a display port is his brain so yeah. He fidna own.
@@JanM2 I personally have a 1841 HZ monitor, but I'm locking it down to 1840 cause my eyes can't see past 1840fps.
@Zarkator
2 күн бұрын
in black myth wukong, when I activate the program, it just freezes on the frame of the game where it starts. The FPS counter in the top left says its running at like 120-130, and I can still press buttons and hear that the game is still running beneath this frozen frame, and when I unfocus the game it runs normally, but obviously I cant play without being focused on the window. is there some setting or something in the game itself I should be disabling or enabling? Like im running it in borderless fullscreen with fsr scaling and grame gen turned on already but changing any of it didnt fix this.
@christophermullins7163
29 күн бұрын
2x is for 120hz gaming.. 3x is for 180hz and 4x is for 240hz. I have been enjoying dlss frame gen so so much on cyberpunk and the witcher. Going from 65 to 110 is absolutely worth the increase in latency that i cant seem to notice on a controller. I hope fsr and dlss offer a 3x or 4x soon. Amd needs to take some notes from lossless to better afmf. I lost my 6950 xt before i used the second version but i can say with condidence that the first iteration of afmf was absolute TRASH. Glad amd is making some moves.
@alonsogabriel9336
18 күн бұрын
This is a game changer for pascal series gpus. I have an old pc with a 1070 and this will give it new life.
@SlCKNESS_
29 күн бұрын
This tech seems a bit pointless to me. Considering the main reason why I want more frames is for my mouse to feel smoother (lighter).
@MrSuvvri
28 күн бұрын
In fps games sure but for stuff like Elden ring, skyrim, basically anything that isn't a fast paced game it's fine
@ICCUWANSIUT
25 күн бұрын
@@MrSuvvri but what's the point if the mouse isn't smooth? Idk, when I'd want to use it is when it sucks the most so this quite literally seems no good
@zombiezone2010
9 күн бұрын
Yeah I understand where you are coming from. Because I don't really find it useful in shooting games. Almost unplayable. I use it for livestream and videos tho, almost all the time. Movies, discord streaming. All this makes huge difference.
@googlewolly
4 күн бұрын
It will feel smoother.
@DesocupadoXtremo
29 күн бұрын
Can't believe he made a video on LS update that dropped yesterday but still no AFMF 2
@RFC3514
29 күн бұрын
I'm surprised Nvidia and AMD didn't do this first. Maybe they were saving 3- and 4-frame interpolation to pretend their _next_ generation is worth what they'll be asking for it.
@silvio3d
29 күн бұрын
3x or 4x in shit tecnology
@zaz6463
28 күн бұрын
A more granular 1.25 or 1.5 mode would be nice here. A perceived jump from 30 - 40fps is significant enough honestly. I'm thinking this would be a good application for power-limited devices or lower spec hardware... Just enough of a bump to meet that good playability range; but not as much of a hit in terms of visual anomalies since the frame gen would only occur every 4th or 3rd frame.
@kardeon4503
29 күн бұрын
Does it work with Vsync ?
@wtjosip176
29 күн бұрын
It didnt for me, id recommend turning it off
@MiGujack3
29 күн бұрын
Do not use vsync with lossless, limit fps manually
@tree2782
3 күн бұрын
@@MiGujack3you will get tearing otherwise. Enable Vsync from NVCP. I had no severe latency issues with vsync + loseless for games that are not competitive. But I am using a controller which is recommend
@fourth_density4932
4 күн бұрын
Does this work with VR Titles as well ? Or just Pancake screen ? Thanks for the vid ! Im excited to try this :)
@aouameurbazoka7802
4 күн бұрын
Vr no , can run anything windows rog ally etc steam deck no
@88-bit-tech
29 күн бұрын
I just tried this on Helldivers 2 and finally hit 240fps on my 240hz 1080p monitor! Felt super smooth but the latency was definitely noticeable. I prefer x2 and x3 mode with perceived latency practically non existent with x2 mode as long as you have right settings switched on.
@Klaceyes
6 күн бұрын
I find it a bit weird to compare the 4x of the program with the 2x of the dlss, it surely won’t look as good as it adds twice more negative effects because of how images are rendered. It’s more logical to compate both 2x and then check the 4x alone
@grzybex6727
29 күн бұрын
X6 avaible but only on rtx 😀
@Games_and_Tech
29 күн бұрын
*Rtx 5000 series
@eurowingsdusseldorfairport1007
29 күн бұрын
@@Games_and_Tech best RTX 6090 😛
@christophermullins7163
29 күн бұрын
What a dumb comment. 😂 Love it
@nawabifaissal9625
29 күн бұрын
u must pay lootboxes and get the legendary X5 mode with a drop rate of 0,000000000x10-^432149x=z²+x/69, after that you need the battlepass (only 1000$ right now it's almost free ngl) and only then you must have 100 000 hours on loseless scaling, and make a 2000$ dollars payment to finally get X6, but it's only avalaible to those who own a rtx 10090 ti super ultra (which cost around 15k$ in 2050)
@grzybex6727
29 күн бұрын
@@nawabifaissal9625 nah 3080 and good IQ :)
@MitchellFields0
10 күн бұрын
Wow. I have used this in other places like Age of Empires and KZitem, this is a very powerful program. Great recommendation.
@astreakaito5625
29 күн бұрын
I think you're wrong about something, x4 right now does have image quality issues but x2 LFSG completely destroys FSR3 framegen in term of image quality, there's no comparison, the only advantage FSR3 has over LSFG x2 is that FSR3 skips the HUD entirely but that leads to other issues as well. FSR3 barely create an actually convincing/correct/stable interpolated image right now.
@rokuroaion5686
9 сағат бұрын
can i ask if i using this application playing mmorpg like black desert, w0w, lost ark etc cant i get ban right sorry for my grammar i just want to be sure my account is safe using it because im too greedy when it comes for optimization application i just want to know if this safe to use?
Seen a lot of lossless scaling videos lately i wonder if its an ad
@granglerarcade1950
29 күн бұрын
No it is not it is fantastic
@darksaiyan2006
10 күн бұрын
EDF6 is another great option for LossLess scaling, since it's limited to 60fps, and the frame generation does help make the game a hell of a lot smoother.
@jddes
29 күн бұрын
Losless scaling is legitimately great, but I've found the most use out of it on KZitem and with emulators. Real frames are always preferable, interpolating past frame caps is where it's at
@rrramm7959
19 күн бұрын
Used this for Dragons Dogma 2, it made it such an amazing experience, highly recommend it for some titles.
@kaznika6584
29 күн бұрын
I tried Lossless Scaling but refunded because it just made every game screen tear like crazy. I played with the settings a lot (VSYNC, Framerate limits) etc but no luck.
@3thndv155
29 күн бұрын
Some games gave me more issues than others with LS. I wonder if by tearing, you're actually seeing artifacting. The X2 mode is least likely to artifact and tear and make sure you don't have in-game settings and LS settings fighting each other. I had to play with in-game settings, LS settings, and my driver settings to get an optimal experience but once I solved it, it works great.
@tree2782
3 күн бұрын
What was your fps? Have you enabled vsync only from Nvidia panel? Are you using RTSS properly? What monitor refresh rate have you set? Or maybe the game you are trying has problems on its own that only the developers can fix or check the internet for stuttering fixes? I can help you with this. For me loseless scaling is working perfectly with all older games, emulators.
@ZomgZomg007
29 күн бұрын
Been using this on WoW. And omg...it is amazing. Set base fps to 60 in the game as that is the lowest i go down to in valdrakken. Then set to x3 with allow tearing. Perfect 180fps matches my monitor refresh rate, and doesn't skip a beat. So good.
@Optimiser113
6 күн бұрын
So basically it's a gimmick.
@googlewolly
4 күн бұрын
No.
@bcaldo8465
28 күн бұрын
If the delay latency is too much for you, you can try set the "Low latency mode" to ultra. This setting can be found in Nvidia control panel and can be pretty useful for some game.
@BourbonBiscuit.
29 күн бұрын
Nobody would use x3 because of artifacting+latency, doubt this will be different. G-sync support is massive though
@Game_Crunch
29 күн бұрын
Afaik latency on x3/x4 should be the similar to the x2 latency because it's still only running 1 frame behind
@BourbonBiscuit.
29 күн бұрын
@@Game_Crunch but have you not got 3 injected frames for every 1 that that you do not have control of, therefore latency?
@BourbonBiscuit.
29 күн бұрын
@@Game_Crunch and if your capping your frame rate at 4th or your target rather than half will that not introduce more latency?
@wolreb9331
29 күн бұрын
@@BourbonBiscuit. what he is saying is that no matter if you are generating 1 or 2 or 3 frames the latency is only as long as the time it has to wait for a the second in game frame. so all 3 should have the exact same latency but from some reviews Ive seen the 3x has less latency than 2x (something having to do with frame pacing or idk I aint no tech wizard)
@wolreb9331
29 күн бұрын
@@BourbonBiscuit. yeah but why would you do that if you can already hit the target frame-rate from 60 to 120 going 30 to 120 would be both very stupid and unnecessary but going from 60 to 240 should feel the exact same as 60 to 120 when it comes to latency
@OtterVal
11 күн бұрын
the developer recommends limiting the framerate to either 30 or 60 fps in order to provide the smoothest experience with frame gen. the varying framerate really messes with the latency.
@angrydlc
29 күн бұрын
I miss raw Performance
@elfelon9465
27 күн бұрын
This is awesome it's like the introduction of turbochargers in engines
@sugondese411
27 күн бұрын
This is the future now old man
@SaikatSaha-yk1yq
26 күн бұрын
Go back to Bronze Era
@nintendoconvert4045
24 күн бұрын
Agreed. Ignore the other comments. People acting like frame interpolation is “performance” are either lying to themselves or don’t understand the technology at all. This is a cool way to get “smoother” gameplay, but it introduces input lag and artificial frames to make it happen. You can’t call that performance. Imaging if your car’s speedometer doubled the speed it showed you, so while driving at 60MPH it showed you 120MPH. Is that performance? Of course not. This isn’t anything like adding a turbo to an engine- overclocking would be that equivalent.
@LivinProoof
6 күн бұрын
@@nintendoconvert4045 But this is actually giving you more frames per second, it's not just SHOWING more FPS like your speedometer comparison. If it said 240fps while actually getting 60 fps this app would be getting entirely shit on by everyone, but it doesn't do that.
@Z3r013k
19 күн бұрын
it works very well now even when frame rate is not an even 60 tried it on the FF XVI demo and it made it still very excellent on my rtx 3060 12gb impressive software and tech this is. To add everything maxed and DLSS 3 with quality preset and lossless framegen.
@MarioP9511
29 күн бұрын
As a teacher you shouldn't compare Apples with Oranges, you know the scientific method. So if want to compare latency and image artifacts, you compare DLSS FG to LS 2x and not the 4x. You should only compare de LS 4x with the LS 3x and 2x, because it's only one changed variable the number of frames inserted on the same upscaler. So I have to vote negatively for your video, I could voted positively if you had compared Apples with Apples.
@Kizzster
17 күн бұрын
For those that don't know Frame Generation Version 1.07 is the best version of FG. You can manually download it and put it in your game files. That version is the most stable one.
@qtawa
29 күн бұрын
i did not like it at all
@Pecola1FromScratch
29 күн бұрын
I've been using tool this for a year, and it really does work well! Wherever there's not support for AMD RSR or FSR, I'll use it. (Primarily Minecraft Java, tbh. Lol) As well as when streaming videos on youtube or elsewhere to bring them to 4K. (Just use a pop out picture in picture for your video, then use the shortcut key to make it scale it up. I use brave browser that has good support for PIP) Haven't tried frame generation, but I'm not a fan of fake frames tbh, and don't play games that would really require it where it wouldn't hurt me mechanically. Lol.
@MiGujack3
29 күн бұрын
Mozilla pop out windows are pure garbage and won't work. I will try Brave though.
@skyterror77postman47
9 күн бұрын
It works great, im buying that , thank you
@chromefuture5561
28 күн бұрын
5:06 well don’t forget that only a quarter of the frames are rendert by the game
@pootispencer9765
14 күн бұрын
I think the endgame use of this is using the highest quality/least artefacting modes stacked on top. So DLDSR stacked with Quality DLSS stacked with x2 frame generation will have more input lag sure, but you could take a game from unplayable to solid and banish aliasing to boot. I think combining with Special K framecapping there is some potential to reduce felt input lag and improve stability even further, and in a few key situations it really gets going. I think that once these tools are mature the next step is developing a system that dynamically uses tools like these together to pull out a close-to-ideal configuration automatically, which makes fiddling with individual settings even easier as you're closer to the desirable endpoint when you start messing with stuff. Frame-generation with frame-capped games benefits especially, as you pointed out - it's a way of increasing smoothness and providing high refresh rate compatibility without an egregious downside. Guess I gotta pick up lossless scaling.
@VortexAsha
23 күн бұрын
how do you make dlss work? im on a 3060 and i have no idea to activate it - when i do in a game nothing happens - when i go to nvdiia 3d settings theres no option - when i go to geforce experience theres no option.
@oynamalan
6 күн бұрын
Losless scaling can import a customizable hud system into their program so that we can disable in game hud and play like that.
@priceG
29 күн бұрын
Been using it lately with some emulators and it's goddamn magic. I've also been using with iRacing to get more consistent framerate and there's a slight delay but completely playable.
@Vegitabauxit
29 күн бұрын
G-sync support is super, but still this works only on windowed mode or fullscreen is allowed now?
@Samuel-nj4vb
28 күн бұрын
I have a rx 570 4gb paired with i5 2400... It runs elden ring at 1080p high at 30 - 40 fps (cpu bottleneck) most of the time, if i cap at 25 frames and use 3x mode of lossless i get 75 frames (my monitor refresh rate), it has artifacting and the input lag is noticible but its waaaaaaaaaaay more stable and enjoyable for me, i can even play it with a higher resolution! This program gave so much life to my pc! :)
@maximusasauluk7359
23 күн бұрын
Works wonders for pre NVIDIA and AMD frame gen games, older titles. Doom Eternal at 240 fps was amazing haha
@igniii3348
9 күн бұрын
Perfect for handheld gaming
@VioletPrism
29 күн бұрын
Dude hell yeah i bought this like 6 years ago awesome program
@prysma2057
7 күн бұрын
I use LSFG even for watching videos sometimes, but I mostly use x2 and x3, on my RX 5600XT has been amazing for playing modern games at 144hz stable on my setup.
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