I wish they had a jungler on to talk about toxicity
@wolfgangiii4719
4 жыл бұрын
@Unironik one of my biggest annoyances is when the lane is getting stomped and they want a gank, just cause its 1v2 doesn't mean you win
@MyPhalte
4 жыл бұрын
The biggest issue with junglers is that most junglers have no understanding of lanes. You really can’t be a good jungler without being an adequate laner.
@wolfgangiii4719
4 жыл бұрын
@@MyPhalte the other way around can be said just as easily, but I think most league players don't really put much thought into stepping into their teammates shoes sadly
@eminemilly
4 жыл бұрын
@@Manded hecc off
@thesaltyshakerLoL
4 жыл бұрын
@@wolfgangiii4719 they lack understanding of turret games and obj... they play because of skins and game looks nice other than that they dont wanna learn much or improve(the mass). have you seen lvl 269 accounts on Silver 2 LMAO
@spagellyfish4023
4 жыл бұрын
I've been playing League for about 7 years now and I remember when I was extremely addicted to the game back in high school. I was facing very extreme life situations regarding my home surroundings that caused me to crave the competitive escape of League. I would play the game unhealthily with no real aim to improve but only to escape my real life situation. After a while of this I had a revelation to improve, to at least have that to amount to if I was gonna spend that much time playing. I got decent at the game, low Diamond to be specific, which isn't the best but it shows potential. I got decent not because of my mechanics, because I too main Singed, a character that runs fast as a gimmick. But I got decent because I learned to stop pointing the finger at everyone else, I'm only a few minutes into this video but I can see the real life parallels being drawn. I can say that at a time in my life where my surroundings were VERY toxic, and I wasn't doing many productive things with my life, that getting good at League of Legends by fortifying my mental and learning to be accepting to and learning from my mistakes taught me a life lesson that I will never forget; your improvement and success is controlled by nobody else but yourself. Within the same year or two of learning this way of thinking I was able to bring myself out of homelessness and gain a sense of independence I haven't had before. I'm 21 at the moment and am doing what I can to educate myself and explore opportunities of what I can do with my life. The options are a bit fuzzy due to my lack of such exploration but I refuse to end up living the same check-to-check struggle I have before. In regards to League, I play the game more casually now with friends but occasionally I still play competitively, I've had to learn to ween off of it and realize that it was an escape that helped me in a sense back then, but to also realize it as a potentially unhealthy addiction, and to respect that. I really respect this channel and Dr. K for diving into the causes, effects, problems, and remedies of the gaming world, it sheds a new light on the psychology behind things that exist in this community by offering humanity through reason an understanding. I can tell that Dr. K responds with concern and worry at times because of how someone may perceive a situation, I really a appreciate the effort behind these discussions. Hopefully this comment wasn't too all over the place. TLDR, I feel as though I've overcome a major hurdle in life over the past couple of years and video games have helped me in a way, but there were some things to overcome about them as well, and it's important to reflect on all of that and realize how it affects you and what you can do to solve your own problems. @Dr. K, I understand this may be unlikely, but I would very much enjoy having an open discussion about the parallels of gaming vs real life regarding things such as personal accountability, improvement, motivation, struggles, mental, etc. I'm still uncertain about many things so having an open dialogue such as that would be great for spreading a positive message but also hopefully sharing more insight on situations and struggles others might be having, and I would be totally comfortable and even insistent on sharing my personal story and how that shaped who I've become, be that in a negative way or positive one. Great content, thanks for reading my novel, y'all have a good one.
@bradley9191
4 жыл бұрын
You can't be addicted to a video game, you were just ugly/autistic and using it to cope/pass time. :)
@Requisiem
4 жыл бұрын
@@bradley9191 what? Lmao
@bradley9191
4 жыл бұрын
@@Requisiem what? Lmao
@Joyboy0101
4 жыл бұрын
@@bradley9191 you're 10 kinds of stupid.
@slevin6544
4 жыл бұрын
@@bradley9191 "ugly/autistic" kek
@justaguy9681
4 жыл бұрын
It's a shame Tyler1 isn't here, he always has legit good takes on this kind of stuff Great content as always K!
@FMD-FullMetalDragon
4 жыл бұрын
And IWDominate. I think both these guys would have been good on this discussion.
@obiwankenobi1615
4 жыл бұрын
good takes , like saying reckful's friends where at fault for not helping him
@Pudding--_--
4 жыл бұрын
@@obiwankenobi1615 that was a good take my guy
@obiwankenobi1615
4 жыл бұрын
@@Pudding--_-- did u watch the same video i did ?
@creept8386
4 жыл бұрын
@@obiwankenobi1615 tyler1 said that certain offstream friends of rekful that were behind the scenes that SHOULD have been there weren't. We don't know if it's a good take because we DO NOT KNOW said friends. And I think he was rightfully mad if that was the case.
@myheelhurts1355
4 жыл бұрын
Would like to see a League talk with; Meteos, Tarzaned, Rat IRL, IWD, Yassuo and/or Tobias Fate
@ekkonomic8055
4 жыл бұрын
Rat said he has nothing to talk about really :( You also need to use camera, right ?
@Equix586
4 жыл бұрын
I don't understand what you mean what you try to implie here. Not that i dissagree, but it feels like you are calling IWD toxic, something i don't understand. Can you explain it to me?
@odee126
4 жыл бұрын
@@ekkonomic8055 no
@ekkonomic8055
4 жыл бұрын
@@odee126 no what ? I asked him on stream if he was going to have a conversation with Dr. K and he said he doesn't have problems to talk about. Maybe you don't need to use camera idk
@odee126
4 жыл бұрын
@@ekkonomic8055 "no, you don't need to use a camera"
@Chaosknightz
4 жыл бұрын
I've been using the term "Int IRL" for so many years, it was eerie to hear someone say it here.
@pletter64
4 жыл бұрын
just think "great minds think alike" and leave it at that.
@gUwU47
4 жыл бұрын
@@pletter64 What's INT?
@Anim_osity
4 жыл бұрын
@@gUwU47 "intentionally feeding" aka dying on purpose
@gUwU47
4 жыл бұрын
@@Anim_osity Oh thank you, dont play league so i didnt know.
@danyin6719
4 жыл бұрын
I hope you're playing League of Legends and other games IRL. and not in some distant parallel universe.
@grizzlyknights808
4 жыл бұрын
I actually went through about 2 years of going from Honor 5 to banned to a new account to honor 5 to banned again and at some point I realize that I needed to stop putting the blame on everyone else and just play my game focus on what I can do to better myself and then I started climbing again and simultaneously got my first 4.0 semester GPA in school and am now on an upswing academically as well
@joaocosta6697
4 жыл бұрын
No tyler 1 and no IWD. You're missing out on the good stuff Dr. K
@themanhimself436
4 жыл бұрын
Lol pros PepeLaugh
@chifdet5878
4 жыл бұрын
KZitem: IWillDominate learns meditation is op (and other things)
@chumi269
4 жыл бұрын
@@chifdet5878 yuuup
@bliksemvis
4 жыл бұрын
Why invite hyper toxic people lol
@Joseph-ms3iq
4 жыл бұрын
@@bliksemvis to understand them
@Briggz001
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Ive wanted Voy on here since I started watching like 4 months ago. He is such a great and positive person, who over the years has shown progress with trying to improve quality of life through adversity. I dont know if he will ever see this but thank you Joedat for being you. And bless your family after the loss of the G'ma. Been a fan for 8 years buddy.
@bigspinshit
4 жыл бұрын
Seeing and hearing Voy talk being so sad just broke my heart. This guy deserves all the good things in this world.
@rahulpuppala9571
4 жыл бұрын
I was watching this while in the middle of a horrible int from all my teammates in a league game. i was listening to what they were saying and just became self-aware of my negative attitude and just tried to play to have fun. I was playing twitch and i gave up on lane and ran around the map assassinating low people. the game went on for 30 minutes and we still lost, but the whole team was suddently on a new page as soon as i started giving them hope from my positive attitude and play. It was a really cool feeling i learned more about how to play twitch. thanks for this discussion you guys are really on to something
@1996Pinocchio
4 жыл бұрын
I realized that these streams and videos are really important just for the fact that they spread *awareness* . For years I've been playing video games running away from my problems, without realizing it. I'm now playing way less, think about my life and future, and thinking about seing a therapist.
@ThatkidthatpwnsXP
4 жыл бұрын
This makes me wonder why I put more effort into league then into life when I can just break down where I went wrong in real life. I felt so smart for being able to analyze how I play league yet I can't analyze how I live life nearly as well..
@Ben-ly6pe
4 жыл бұрын
I think it's because video games are optimally designed to give you immediate feedback for your actions. In League, killing creeps and champions gives you gold, which is immediately rewarding. So is seeing the "victory" display at the end. You know when you've played well if you beat your opponent in lane or help your team win. Life is a lot more complicated. Most people barely ever get feedback on how they're "playing" the life game. Almost no-one ever really looks at your life and TELLS you what you're doing wrong - at least, not directly. Plus, most meaningful positive actions (like getting in shape, creating a substantial career, fostering intimate relationships) have delayed reward. You go to the gym and work out until you feel fatigued. If the reward you're looking for is to look good in the mirror, then one day at the gym will have no difference. Hence, if you're only seeking immediate rewards then you'll be disheartened, because getting in shape takes TIME AND EFFORT. It's all about learning to seek out DELAYED gratification, when we live in a digital world that is increasingly emphasising immediate gratification. Doing the same action every day for months, years, can yield tremendous positive or negative results. So, when you analyse your life, you should not be focusing on where you ARE right now, but where you're GOING. If you take a normal day of your life and repeat it 1000 times, how would you change? Would you be better in some ways? Worse in others? It comes down to daily habits and your attitude. Say you're addicted to games and you play 12 hours a day. You're enrolled at a university but you lack the motivation to study, because games are so rewarding in the moment, while study seems banal in comparison. Fast-forward 1000 days of this. You've failed semesters due to complete lack of effort; you've become more and more unhealthy due to sedentary living, no sunlight, and probably a poor diet; and your discipline has eroded day by day, due to you always taking the easy road of video games and getting more and more trapped in your comfort zone. Is this what you WANT? Probably not. You see the idea. Look at the trajectory of your life based on your current living, and that will tell you if you're doing it right. If you feel like you're inting at life, then try and change a little: day-by-day, week-by-week. If you never exercise, maybe aim to go for a 5 minute walk every day. Or do five pushups. Do this for a week, then up it to 10 minutes, 10 pushups. Same applies to other domains like study and career development. 1% improvement every day for 365 days equals 3778% improvement. So change your habits if you want to climb.
@ThatkidthatpwnsXP
4 жыл бұрын
I feel one of my worst habits it rationalising away those end goals you mention. I've only noticed it recently but I'll get in so far then allow myself an excuse to not exercise that day or eat something bad and then I find the idea of quitting has taken hold and I typically fail. Do I ignore that voice completely? Probably not but I must get better and spotting excuses and legitimate reasons. I totally resonate with the instant gratification point. I hope I can get a portion of that by making good decisions then identifying that good decision then feel good about myself for following through.
@jazeroliversy673
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatkidthatpwnsXP one of the best tricks I’ve learned is to just start. If you’re feeling lazy, do one pushup. If you don’t feel like it, read just one page. Once you start, you usually find it more convenient to continue. Just keep consistent!
@SuperLio333
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ben-ly6pe ooof that hit home
@AiZm8
4 жыл бұрын
I can't describe how amazing this is to listen to.
@theawesomeaj9433
4 жыл бұрын
yeah im here at 2 AM just listening to this and so much of it applies to my life but i had just never noticed. also, cool pfp, i really like the sygna green design. i pulled her from a sync pair scout
@AiZm8
4 жыл бұрын
@@theawesomeaj9433 thanks!!
@deecupine
4 жыл бұрын
I think in League of Legends one of the most important skills is being able to step back and let yourself be carried in the times that things don't quite go your way. Lot's of people give up when they realize they aren't going to be the hero, or the carry that game. Maybe there's a parallel to life there.
@donuttoy8482
4 жыл бұрын
Dr. K, Thank you for your amazing work. I didn't know how to break the cycle I've been in until I found this channel. My constant critical judgments upon myself when I dont meet my own expectations such as doing laundry, doing dishes, cleaning my room, even eating at times when I'm hungry but too lazy to make food (since my wife doesn't buy microwaveables). I began with a complete detox of dopamine for a month. No gaming, minimal phone leisure time, and doing lots of "boring/uninteresting" things (going to the beach, trailing, hiking). I also began meditating and MAN has this been the answer to my exsistential dread feeling. I feel much more connected and whole than I did before. The tools are there people, you can only feel sorry for yourself for so long until something great happens, or something tragic. I choose to be great and will aim for greatness, but mediocrity is cool too man! Namaste.
@AR-dr1sb
4 жыл бұрын
Namaste means hello don't use it to end ure sentence it looks weird...
@donuttoy8482
4 жыл бұрын
@@AR-dr1sb Not to me, Namaste is my all encompassing word. Hello, goodbye, thank you, sorry. I incorporate it into everything.
@donuttoy8482
4 жыл бұрын
@Melancholia Sure man, I feel the same about religion but that isn't stopping the masses from practicing their beliefs. If it works for you then great! I'm not here to sell anyone anything, just giving thanks friend. Breaking away from the constant connection to the world is liberating.
@boxlag2071
4 жыл бұрын
@Melancholia Is this the lasting effects of Acid and Shrooms on the human body?
@viliusjankauskas8878
4 жыл бұрын
Tired, Broke and Horny did you do nofap too?
@Lenz2371
4 жыл бұрын
As someone who played league for a very long time and having depression, I went through the phases of being super toxic to somewhat postive to now being mostly calm (because i mute everyone in game). This game can make you feel like hero and i think a lot of people strive for this feeling because their lack of self worth needs this and I can say that this 100% is the case for me. That being said, every time, I play Bad, my entire self worth comes crashing down to a point where I sometimes feel suicidal, because of what this game can make me feel. If I win and carry, I'm am actually worth something, but God forbid I lose, then its over for me. This feeling (depending on my energy level) can cause me being toxic to others since I cant always handle being the useless piece of shit I think I am. Having an afk or an Inter is equally triggering, since it reminds me of the injustice of this world and that I can never catch a break from my misery. TL;DR: League of Legends has a way of activating very strong emotions, good and bad and that is sometimes impossible to handle.
@jeffreychandler8418
4 жыл бұрын
this... is eerily me. wow. thank you for writing it. genuinely. It helps reading it.
@moveback7913
4 жыл бұрын
all misery is an illusion. its all about perception. misery is because of your expectations. take different perspective and it doesnt matter anymore. for example you are in traffic jam on the way to the airport all stressed out. once you sit in the plane you watch the same traffic jam from up there and say how nice that looks from up here.
@elliotwonderland36
4 жыл бұрын
Seek help bro, feeling suicidal after doing bad in a video game is a very real issue. Good luck!
@WidgetWagyu47292
4 жыл бұрын
I can relate to being toxic to being angry to now being calm. I never get suicidal but however I did notice when I was more of a depressed mood I would tend to flame teammates way more, where as when my life’s going good and I’m at peace I sorta don’t care and I also get into the flow way easier I also play better. It’s interesting how emotions work blows my mind.
@edwinortiz1262
4 жыл бұрын
You really shouldn't place so much value in a game, I would suggest not playing it.
@aaaaaa-iw2yj
4 жыл бұрын
It's such an awesome discussion. Loving Dr K wisdom and creativity. I miss the part after stream with Dr K talking with the chat I like this after commentary and discussion too thus watching on twitch too.
@Trecesolotienesdos
4 жыл бұрын
"can I think for a second?" Dr. K needs to market that as a catchphrase.
@arnau7231
4 жыл бұрын
I didnt know you could use this cheat code to have 5 seconds to actually think. DrK shows me the way.
@malgob2403
4 жыл бұрын
he has a coffee sup saying that and a couple of other things saying can i think for a second you can check it on his shop
@johnrayker6245
4 жыл бұрын
A phrase and behavior many ppl should apply from time to time imo.
@bakugan366
4 жыл бұрын
I swear I use that phrase IRL now
@RetirededKat
4 жыл бұрын
I've been saying for a while that you could make a damn good condom advertisement out of a League chat log.
@NemisisRecords
4 жыл бұрын
"How did the meta come that way?" The answer they were looking for was, "KZitemrs/Guides" The entire community of league guides and "how to climb elo" videos have one single core take away. And that's literally. "You have to 1v9, because your team won't help you." That mentality is what I see in every single league game, and every person I play league with, which is why I went solo for the most part. They feel that the game is out to get them, they get into promos and riot hand picked them to lose, they get autofilled and they were hand picked to lose. They think playing duo means that the enemy team will ALWAYS have a better team than you. . When how could that be the case if every duo game gets an enemy team duo? Wouldn't they also be going against a better team? There's a very strong sense of importance in league that people have for themselves that needs to be worked on and talked about, and it absolutely starts with the idea that you are the star player, you're faker on your team and the only way to win is for you to pop off and go 30/0 by yourself because Riot is after you, players are after you. Speaking from my very average consistent rank of Gold, and highest rank of Plat 1. I've seen these guides literally mold the way players think and act since I started playing ranked in Season 2 where it wasn't nearly as intense as it is today. The growth of the game community, the stakes(Big bucks) How being the #1 player can get you set for life possibly. Has molded the community into being far too competitive for what it is.
@Ben-ly6pe
4 жыл бұрын
100% agree. Knowing how to be carried is a fundamental skill you need to learn if you want to climb. You CAN'T carry every game. In fact, if you're facing equally good opponents you'll only "carry" maybe 10-20% of your games. Let's say I'm playing toplane. Ideally I would like to get a lead early on and snowball, getting more and more of a gold advantage until I can carry teamfights and secure objectives to win the game. But - I get ganked (or I just mess up) and the enemy laner gets one, two kills. Okay, the chance of me carrying now is slim. Maybe instead of building more damage and trying to 1v1 my toplaner again, I should build a tanky item. Now I should look at the most fed player on my team and figure out how to help them carry. Unfortunately, as you said, so many people have this 1v9 mentality: in the aforementioned situation they would keep building damage and keep trying to "beat" their enemy laner in fights. Due to this they may go from being 0/2 (which is redeemable) to maybe 0/5, feeding the enemy so much that they throw the game. Also, they'll flame teammates for losing lanes because it's affecting THEM. I think the belief that you need to 1v9 is inherently tied with that selfish, "Look at me" attitude that these KZitem guides seem to cultivate. It's easy to get sucked down this hole, especially if you're young (which a lot of League players are) or you haven't learned how to work in a team. This toxic attitude also makes people so self-centered and reflects a deeper problem. They make every situation about them... "oh look my midlaner just fed a kill, why would they do this to me?" It's this default mode of thinking where you see an inconvenience and create this image of the whole world "trying to annoy you" so to speak. This is a toxic mindset for League and for life in general. Practising compassion and meditation helps prevent one from automatically adopting this attitude all the time. As an aside, the late author David Foster Wallace gave a commencement speech, talking about how you choose the way you think. It's closely tied in with this toxic, self-centered mindset that is so easy to adopt. Would recommend kzitem.info/news/bejne/mXmotYBjspZ3gH4
@markdanellejohnson3810
4 жыл бұрын
That's a really good point. That IS what people say. That IS how high elo tells people to win. You have to 1v9... or whatever. People like LS saying "If you want to get good, your shit if you aren't grandmaster in like 2 years" or something like that. It's really toxic undertones that exist in the community. That person not doing what you want is holding you back from solo-carrying... and you'll never get to grandmaster from silver (lel) this way! I think that's the most frustrating thing in the game for me, I want people that want to play as a team. I love to see good synergy and shit in game. But also to your point, no listen, Riot did actually say "fuck this guy" one day and said "Kazam! You must lose the next 18 games in a row you filthy casual!" lol.
@danielnodland4072
4 жыл бұрын
True, but at the end of the day you're in your elo because of you. Where ever you are after 200 games is because of your actions. Sure some games someone might just run it down for shits 'n' giggles, but in the grand scheme of things you are in your elo because of how you play and how you act in game. People in challenger aren't there because they got carried all the way, they are there because they play at that level and will in the vast majority win almost every single game in lower elos.
@MrZigljasin
4 жыл бұрын
@@danielnodland4072 I agree with you, you are where you are because of you, what i dont agree are the previous comments to a degree. So they say that mentality that u have to 1 v 9 every game is bulshit which it is, u eont always carry besides carrying u need to lesrn to get carried. But what i think is flawed in the comments above is that they think that in soloq u should rely on ur team and stuff which i disagree with, yes you should know that if ur lee sin is an early game jungler u should rely on him to gank early and help him eith ganks by setting them up perhaps thats true, and in pro play u see real league of legends u see people relying on their team to peel for them to carry them to do a bunch of stuff for them but soloq isnt that You HAVE to be the difference maker, thats why everyone says if ur better u will climb and if u are not u stay where u are, so relying on ur teammates in soloq especially low elo idk i wouldnt recommend But dont get me wrong im not saying just cause u have to be the difference maker that u should flame ur teammates or blsme them for ur own mistake, on the opposite i think u should learn from ur mistskes so u can be that adc for example that had the better positioning and won the fight right.
@complexlol
4 жыл бұрын
good take
@kane-111
4 жыл бұрын
I recently started playing league again and the experience has been nothing short of a nightmare, it's just hands down horrible when it comes to the community.
@DanteValentine16
4 жыл бұрын
Do you play with a friend because it makes the game so much more fun.
@kane-111
4 жыл бұрын
@@DanteValentine16 Unfortunately no, and even when I thought I made new friends they show this other "face" whenever I have a bad game. I'm playing on a new account on EUW (level 23) and just having fun, I play since S4 so I know the ropes but again, I am playing for fun and often limit test whatever champion I'm rocking. I have had ZERO positive games so far, it's really sad. Edit: My main account Avinox on EUNE is permanently banned and it was very well deserved, now I'm 26 and been on anti-depressants for 2 weeks (diagnosed with ADHD at the time), I'm way over that attitude but I guess you'll have to see for yourselves. I don't like having to mute everyone as soon as the game starts since sharing the experience with others is half the fun for me, it always was.
@kane-111
4 жыл бұрын
@Unironik I pretty much always mute the enemy now as I gain nothing from them anyway, I just want to play games with people knowing that we don't care whether we win or lose, we're in it for the fun, I miss that experience and I probably am still playing in the hopes that I'll find such people one day.
@tonyoik1012
4 жыл бұрын
@@DanteValentine16 The whole "playing with friends" as an alternative should not be considered, as almost every game is better with friends.
@DanteValentine16
4 жыл бұрын
@@tonyoik1012 When your stuck in a match with 4 randoms you feel less likely to want to win , if one of them is at least someone you know you can work together to do things and get your team moving.
@AiZm8
4 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to comment on Sanchovie's question about how to get good at life, using League as an example. Voyboy basically said he has the knowledge, all the win conditions on how to win from any position. Like Dr. K says, you need to first be aware of everything going on and all the variables, and then when you understand more, apply those things. Basically like the win conditions of your own life. The sleep example Dr. K is a good one, in the sense that your "win condition" of being mentally stable from the beginnign would be to get a good rest. In league it's not enough to just know, but you need to enact on your win conditions in order to succeed, just like in this example you need to enact on your win condition of sleeping well.
@markansas101
4 жыл бұрын
Dr K: "What if I told you throwing is not restricted to league? What if I were to say people throw in the towel in real life too?" LoL Streamers: *surprised pikachu*
@hwaryun7042
3 жыл бұрын
they were surpried cause they didnt think about it like that
@love4photos
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for pointing out how things like anger are emotions and gamer slang is another way to emote when it's hard to find the words. So many gamers irl have acted like crying is the only way to be "emotional" and that being "emotional" is the lowest thing you could do. We all have emotions, that's human, it's how we act on them and adapt to our initial emotions. We don't need to shame each other so hard, society does that enough.
@MrDomoEver
4 жыл бұрын
Take a shot everytime Voyboy says "like" If you will survive, you got my respect
Dr. K: It's a fun game. Maybe I'll play it a little bit more. Shiphtur: 😂😂😂
@joaquin5028
4 жыл бұрын
How come the 6'5 top lane god was not invited
@Yellow.1844
4 жыл бұрын
Who dat?
@otakarbartos3055
4 жыл бұрын
@@Yellow.1844 tyler1
@ricardomilos10
4 жыл бұрын
i rather have his take than anyone on this call
@yonisi3781
4 жыл бұрын
Hashinshin ? Lool
@yibro3360
4 жыл бұрын
@@ricardomilos10 His take probably wouldn't fit the stream at all, considering he rose to fame by being toxic.
@PaladinfffLeeroy
4 жыл бұрын
"How do we work? No one understands." What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets. But enough talk... Have at you!
@Lexsed
4 жыл бұрын
Mankind ill needs a savior such as you!
@Jazzistandersful
4 жыл бұрын
those 5 should play a round of LoL togehter :D
@27kevinjohnson40
4 жыл бұрын
Drk dosent play lol he plays dota he will have to learn first
@ushift
4 жыл бұрын
@@27kevinjohnson40 Yah and being bad at dota2 doesn't bode well for the chances of this happening.
@raginhawk8506
4 жыл бұрын
@@27kevinjohnson40 he has played league on stream
@27kevinjohnson40
4 жыл бұрын
@@ushift idk what you talking about
@27kevinjohnson40
4 жыл бұрын
@@raginhawk8506 yup I saw that stream late my bad
@tronique5736
4 жыл бұрын
I think that the "rage" reaction to a mistake in league of legend has two sides that are each worth addressing. First is the rage targeted at others, which was covered in this video. The other is internal rage, where you are punishing yourself for mistakes more than is reasonable. The "positive" learning reaction is actually in the middle. In one direction is outward rage where you take zero responsibility for your mistakes. In the other direction is inward rage where you take too much responsibility for mistakes.
@YouKinglateTube
4 жыл бұрын
55:17 Barely caught himself
@bengal4890
4 жыл бұрын
After watching this discussion its safe to say that Sanch is the only one that really had something of value to give to the listeners. Sirchez was silent for a large majority of the talks and when he did talk it was to bounce off of someone else point. Danny had a couple of things to say that did allow for a good discussion to begin, but that is it, unfortunately. Voyboy is just worn out and doesn't look that remotely interested in the topic itself and it showed in his body language. His ideals were also unrealistic when it came to league and how toxicity should and could be handled. I believe that these people were not the right people to talk about toxicity. While they do take a lot of toxicity from other players, they don't partake in the actions of a toxic player, except Sanch who occasionally gives in to the toxic behavior. League of Legends is not inherently a toxic game, it's a competitive game. While competitiveness can breed toxicity and less than appropriate behavior, "the gaming" culture is the one to blame. Word of mouth is what made the game toxic and viewed as such. While it is true that there is currently not a good system to reduce the number of toxic players from the game, it's not just RIOT's fault. People just don't take responsibility for their actions. If the game were to be labeled as competitive instead of toxic, it would sound much more appealing to newer players that are trying to get into the game. The game being labeled as toxic is a barrier of entry that a lot of players are not willing to deal with. That is why a game like Fall Guys is not considered a toxic game despite having ingrained competitive gameplay, just like LoL. This same logic can be applied to everything in life as it was discussed in this podcast. It shows that it is not the DEV's that always have to adjust the game because there are people that are ruining it for other people. It's that the players have to become better people, and that is something that will not be adjusted in a video game. People that are toxic, are toxic because of something that is going on in their life and they use League as an outlet that affects the experience of other people. It is not their fault that what they are dealing with is hard, but it is the cards that they were dealt with, and now have to learn how to maneuver past those hardships. People just don't know, and they have to be educated on what their options are instead of just feeling "triggered" and "depressed". edit: grammar errors
@mescellaneous
4 жыл бұрын
from my first 40 minutes, voy wants to shame the toxicity, sanch wants to humanize them, and sirhcez and shiphtur just want to talk it out. the other three want to hold like a diplomatic meeting on how to deal with toxicity (without toxic players there) and sanch is like "i've inted and it feels good"
@dvelop4975
4 жыл бұрын
100% agree.
@sonemesis7083
4 жыл бұрын
>Sees title >LoL Pros >"Sanchovies" Wait wut
@xoener
4 жыл бұрын
I've never watched this guy, but people seem to be surprised by him being in this group. Why is that?
@DarkwingDuc
4 жыл бұрын
@@xoener Maybe because he has more of a "funny guy" image and not a top level player image, even though the guy hit challenger on his main account and is about to become masters in a different role.
@SoulxWeaver
4 жыл бұрын
@@xoener He's newer on the scene, he really blew up after becoming friends with Moe and duo'ing with him. He's not an ex-pro or anything
@xoener
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I got to understand more after watching the whole video and how he was a bit of an "outlier" in the group, but that dynamic made it more interesting since we got to hear from both sides of the spectrum and there seemed to be more understanding towards the end of the video vs the beginning where you could definitely feel some tension especially between Voyboy and Sanchovies. It also helped that Sanchovies was pretty honest too.
@DanieIQP
4 жыл бұрын
@@xoener he used to be kinda twitter shitposter and was a fairly big part of Football Twitter several years ago, used to follow him back then. Got into streaming and yea the rest is explained above, funny guy image and all
@TheLightOI
4 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this quite a while!
@soundfonts8215
4 жыл бұрын
awesome conversation. love seeing chris and voy talking bout keeping a positive outlook despite all the toxicity
@MitchFPT
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can relate to that quite a bit I tend to mute the enemy team on most games just out of habit, sad thing this wont change. It may over time to a slight degree. It's quite a hard area to monitor and make 100% clean. My thing that keeps me sane in pretty much any completive game that there literally getting frustrated over a computer game … Appreciate the video 👍
@tonivincent494
4 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this
@wanderingrandomer
3 жыл бұрын
The thing about expectations is so true. I started going to Smash Brothers tournaments as a social thing, but it wasn't until I started doing decently that I found myself getting salty about losing. And funnily enough, it was through the lens of having to practice a fighting game that I learnt a lot about doing hard work and gaining willpower and good mentality IRL.
@hospie
4 жыл бұрын
The thing with comparing competitive videogames with life is that you get randomly matched with strangers with zero communication prior to the thing you're about to perform. Imagine if Dr. K planned to do a stream to discuss a specific topic but instead of getting to invite the ones he wanted to talk to he would have 4 randomly matched people, each with their own objectives and needs. What I'm trying to say is that there will always be the possibility of conflict happening with your teammates or the other team with the format that online videogames have. Also, hi (sorry for my bad English)
@noahjohnson4211
4 жыл бұрын
Your English was great dude, no need to apologize ❤
@unorthodoxhappenstance304
4 жыл бұрын
So the thing you're missing is, in almost all aspects of life you never get to choose who you get to work with or live with. Comparing comp league and life works: You don't pick your family. You gotta learn to work with them. You don't get to pick co-workers. You don't pick who your teammates are in sports. These are all strangers. It's are duty to live and learn to work together better.
@Andrey0153
4 жыл бұрын
@Sanningen very interesting, makes tons of sense to me.
@KakashiHatake-sv1vb
4 жыл бұрын
@@unorthodoxhappenstance304 I like the sentiment but here's the problem: "Except you probably won't tell someone to get cancer IRL because you can't get away with the consequences as easy as online" People act different when there's a screen protecting them.
@unorthodoxhappenstance304
4 жыл бұрын
@@KakashiHatake-sv1vb that doesn't mean it's right. Because like before, comp league is like life. They are connected. How you treat others online, is how you are treating yourself.
@estval1055
4 жыл бұрын
Gotta say, really wanted to see more middle ground on the first quarter of the video. I've experienced inting for 6 years of my life from myself and many others, in and out of gaming. Inting is such a common problem that doesn't have an easy solution so when I hear their talk about how people will basically react as, "Didnt get what I want. GG no re." It's like listening to myself when I was around 13-15 years old. "It's the end of the world!!" A child being overly dramatic and making a scene because things went to hell. The inting I experienced range from, "I'm done. Going 0-15 running it down mid" to someone simply calling out someone else that they're inting when they're just doing terribly. More often than not, as someone who isn't being purposefully targeted by stream Inters since I'm just a normal person with middle ground experience, people are just playing badly to the point of inting. I've seen many times in League where my toplane went 0-5 first 7 minutes and it's basically the equivalent to inting but they're probably having very bad circumstance put on them such as: Lost previous game, missed first skillshot, got camped, is fighting a hard counter to their champ, died as first blood and is now tilted, etc. The thing I do when I see them just getting bodied is probably try to help them or tell them to get their shit together. We may get into an argument but it's better to have them let off steam than to let it boil under the surface. After arguing, just let them play and I tell you, they'll most likely be one of two people: plays consistently but circumstances has been unfavorable so when they have the advantage, they're doing well OR they make one good play to bring back their momentum. Anyways, even I catch myself inting, going 0-3 in 6 minutes because mistakes happen and peoplee can play inconsistently. As an adult now, I've already been through the cycle of, "I'm done. *Leaves game*" to "WHAT ARE YOU DOING. WHY ARE YOU SO BAD" and I may act that way from time to time, but it's all about the bounce back. People can go the lowest of lows but redemption is still a thing. You don't have to preach good will like these streamers because honest to god, that sounds more exhausting than helpful. Just being myself while acknowledging the "Int" circumstances really makes the experience way better because when someone starts Inting but then something happened to snap them back to their senses and they do Godlike all of a sudden (or simply do better) is way more satisfying than accepting "It's game over. He's inting. We lost" or any other type of giving up. As long as they're still playing, there is a chance they can bounce back and the best way you'll get that is just playing the game. Engage with them if you need something to change but they'll probably bounce back if they're given the chance. Games are mostly for fun so they'll play for that satisfaction of doing well/win. If we frame it in the lens of IRL, they may fuck up their relationship but if they are engaged to it, they can always bounce back from their slump. I understand they are High Elo league streamer who get a lot of the "100% most toxic league inter" so their perspective is mostly about that but middle ground perspective with the average joe is what I would like to see since its practical and understandable. Nonetheless, appreciate Dr. K's responses to their problem
@katmannsson
3 жыл бұрын
A lot. It was a lot, When I was toxic, League of Legends and my personal self worth was defined by if I won or lost, because I never felt /important/ in my real life, But im 20% of this team and we win together or we lose together and Im important in the determination of the outcome. It was an awful Mindset but its the truth, I learned how to grow as a person by learning how to not reduce my value to my performance in a video game. Or in fact, based off of anyone elses perspective of me.
@Scardor
4 жыл бұрын
40 minutes of dr K leading them to understanding that feeders are bringing negativity from outside of the game into it.
@xhuskyh.h8829
4 жыл бұрын
Next time you should bring EU people too. I would say the perspective on "flaming" and "inting" is a bit different there.
@KarelGita
4 жыл бұрын
There's a difference between pointing out mistakes and shitting on someone. Sadly people in social medias and honnestly everywhere I have been cannot make the difference unless they are self conscious. Having this quality is a freaking gem in the rough.
@donn1473
4 жыл бұрын
21:00 haha the way voy smiles when sanch says it feels good
@galenburnett9791
3 жыл бұрын
18:00 Wow. I’m already getting an idea of the reality of your game... that must suck so bad! To be dependent on others’ integrity for your own success. I guess there’s great glory in victory with a team; but that issue with team-sabotage and throwing must be just such a pain. And for that to be the game you love, so you haven’t got a choice but to put up with it in the short-term. I play Smash so I don’t have this problem and I count myself lucky.
@iAlberto923
2 жыл бұрын
I'm at about 21:19, I just wanted to comment that much of inting is about bringing others down with you because you didn't get your way. Also, it feels good because inting is a way to grasp control over a situation that is otherwise completely out of your hands. When you're inting, you don't often think this, but much of the pleasure is the control that you have over the outcome of this game.
@AGSkaary
4 жыл бұрын
I have so much to say about a lot of these points as someone who has played since before season 1 was even a thing. I would love to have been part of this discussion. Maybe one day I could get to chat with these guys about this topic!
@juice6902
4 жыл бұрын
Damn, Riot needs to remove Scuttle
@bike4aday
4 жыл бұрын
These conversations are SO GOOD!
@FMD-FullMetalDragon
4 жыл бұрын
In order for a person to learn they first have to admit to themselves that they need to learn in order to get better. They have to admit to their EGO that the story and attachment to what they believe about their own personal ability is inaccurate... Which is literally how we end up both destroying who we have been and changing ourselves into a better, more enlightened human being.
@ja7857
4 жыл бұрын
I think the best way to describe inting is that it is cathartic, but with with a complete lack of empathy for anyone else. Being an (ex-ish) gamer myself, empathy is completely missing in all but the smallest of gamer communities.
@nrrdpanda
4 жыл бұрын
I forget who did the study but this reminds of when couples were asked how much they do and their partner does around the house. almost every person put themselves as doing most of the housework. They weren't intentionally trying to downplay the others work around the house but it was more of they're not the other person therefore they only see what they do themselves and not all that the other does, especially the little things. With that concept in mind combined with the heat of the moment, the fast paced environment of league, but also players piggy backing off of each other with the flame it starts a cycle that is so hard to break and that translates to tilt and boils over into the next games. A lot of it starts with really looking at yourself through the other's lens and try to take a look at the game objectively. That's almost impossible because humans naturally are biased. TBH i don't think the community can fix itself and ever will is why i do ask for harsher punishments from RIOT.
@felvarian3905
4 жыл бұрын
I think the reason inting and getting back at the universe feels so good is because the only way to get revenge for getting inted is to int yourself and I think most people that become toxic started as positive players themselves, but they changed since there is no real "positive" way to get back those 30 minutes you lost due to someone else inting in your game. If there was a way to diminish the lp/mmr you lose by actually playing well and trying to win, I think it would help reducing these revenge ints that happen all the time - the game would be lost, sure, but you would have a positive way to get back some of the time you lost with that loss, by playing well (that would come from damage dealt, vision control, objectives obtained, etc). This is just a very raw idea of how toxicity could be reduced, as you would have more options to make the game fair for you, other than getting revenge for someone who inted you by doing the exact same thing, because the game before you had someone that intentionally went 0/20 and despite you actually having played decenly, you will lose as much lp/mmr as the inter and the feeling of having absolutely no control over that and no way to mitigate the points you lose, makes you go into the next game with that urge of getting back at the system/universe. Just my 2 cents, most likely this will be lost within all the other comments, but I always had mad respect for Voy and Chris (and Dr. K most recently) so I had to say something. Thanks for the effort to make the game/community better, you guys are doing what Riot should, but instead they spend their time making more skins...
@Scardor
4 жыл бұрын
When he said expectation leads to suffering, always saw it as expectations lead to entitlement, which leads to disappointment which leads to suffering.
@Markerton
3 жыл бұрын
Man, you should be on every platform(netflix,tv,appleTV) and helping millions. Can't wait to see this happening.
@irusu.
4 жыл бұрын
Joe and Chris are one of the most untouchable wholesome streamers out there
@ricardomilos10
4 жыл бұрын
My take, as someone that played this game for 6+ years: Riot went overboard with the chat punishments and did close to nothing with the behavior punishments. Its actually real sad to see every streamer refusing to use chat or muting all every single game just by fear of getting banned even if they dont do anything worth being banned, but thats because that is just regulated by a bot. People should use mute button more, i dont give a eff if someone doesnt like me or someone tells me to go dance into the traffic, as long as he keeps playing the game. I CAN MUTE SOMEONE’S WORDS, I CANNOT MUTE SOMEONE GRIEFING AND PLAYING POORLY. Riot games should focus more on people that actually grief and play like sht but because they dont use the chat they will NEVER get any kind of punishment. And also, BANNING SOMEONE FOR TRASHTALKING IN A VIDEOGAME IS SUCH A SOFT BULLSHT, UNLESS HE IS SAYING RAC1ST THINGS. If i play like sht or go afk, i kinda deserve getting called for that, that something that would happen in real life in any job as well. The real problem with league is griefers and people playing like sht that report anyone that calls them out and get THEM chat restricted or even banned, Which creates a climate of frustration where you see people being evil and going unpunished while you cant even say anything about it.
@csullypro252
4 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more...
@Graine01
4 жыл бұрын
Thing is chat is easily monitored by bots. Behavior can't. Literally, you would have to have a legit AI scanning games. Because when they tightened the behavior punishments recently they saw a spike in false positives. You can't hire enough people to monitor all the reports and go through hall of them with game getting 100+k daily global logins.
@ricardomilos10
4 жыл бұрын
@@Graine01 then be less punishing with chat reports, people can ALWAYS mute anyone at any moment.
@miyalys
4 жыл бұрын
I don't play league but I do play CSGO. Personally I'd wish they did more to deal with toxic gamers in voice and text chat as well, besides people who troll (which I think is seen fairly rarely). People who play badly for their rank will always happen sometimes, though. Sometimes people are tired or having a bad day or just a bad match. I don't think trash talking at them does anything besides make everyone's day a little worse. Encouragement is better. At least trash talk has that effect on me. I can only mute them after the fact, and then I can't hear when/if they actually do useful callouts, so I'm hesitant in doing that.
@jduchiha4656
4 жыл бұрын
the trash talking would be fine if it ended there but people go way too far way too often. Call me whatever you want if i miss my ult but the amount of "rac1st things" and death threats I've seen over the years is just sad- even in champ select before anything could even happen
@siderealpibe
4 жыл бұрын
dude sirhcez is me on any meeting
@JackEveringham
4 жыл бұрын
Drink every time they say "like".
@malgob2403
4 жыл бұрын
widepeepohappy deth
@IngoGarza
4 жыл бұрын
I am now dead.
@Cayoroots
4 жыл бұрын
Happens to a lot of people.
@dainpiagne4636
4 жыл бұрын
*picking the seventh bottle*
@FoolproofFool
4 жыл бұрын
Man, I wish Dunkey was here for this stream
@magicianwizard4294
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly if he just said the quote for like 15 seconds, and left I would've been happy
@kylewinborn
4 жыл бұрын
came here for the sanchovies and fell in love with healthy gamer and this whole movement!!
@Ultimahaxorpanda2131
4 жыл бұрын
A point I'd like to share, about myself at least. I feel as if the community adds towards breeding the toxicity itself as well. Two days ago I played some competitive games of Guild Wars 2. I was kind of bummed because because apparently I deranked because 2-3 days of not playing ranked lowers your displayed rating (NOT YOUR EFFECTIVE ONE). I had moments where I felt like blaming my teammates, but after I left the games, I realized that, I could've done something to potentially stop the stuff that was happening and compensate for our bad stuff as well. 2 games later, I decide to get on league where, a shitstorm inveitebly occurs. I'm behind in farm as an ADC and I try to catch up with some solo lane xp/ gold and I get pinged and flamed because I'm not mid ARAM-ing and being there. This happens 2-3 games in a row, getting flamed for similar reasons or sometimes even making a mistake. And, oddly enough, I chose to actually be salty and do a bit of BM. Not necessarily blame, but just bitch and moan at the people that were being toxic (after muting them, of course). I've seen toxicity in many games. I've played CSGO, Dota 2, TF2 (tiny bit of comp), Smite, as of recently LoL, Guild Wars 2 and many more. I've never seen anything like the toxicity in League and in some cases Rocket League, but I feel like we owe it to ourselves to recognize these things and try our best to get better at recognizing it and dealing with it accordingly. Also yeah, Dr. K, love your videos, but I think you'd get an interesting kick out of getting some of the more toxic players on stream, like Yassuo, Tarzaned, Tyler1, TF Blade etc. Thank you for reading. Have a nice day, stranger. :)
@neos5432
4 жыл бұрын
League is special because its one of the few games that makes you flame your teamates more than your enemies, when your teamate dies the enemy gets gold wich in turn gives him a lead and sets the stage for him to die again giving more gold that in turn sets you behind without even dieing
@bearyboy9088
4 жыл бұрын
Like how sanch and sirhcez are included in the pro thing in the title
@maloo2brvo26
4 жыл бұрын
Truth left and right! Took tons of notes from this video 🙂 thanks for putting this together :)
@rody8376
3 жыл бұрын
"I'm gonna int in real life" -The best quote I ever heard anywhere
@Max.Volume
4 жыл бұрын
I'm usually able to stay positive and try to be friendly when playing team games, but this made me realise that for some reason I've never actively tried doing this in real life. Life is just something you do, rarely thinking about the best way to go about it.
@davidgustafson9799
4 жыл бұрын
i wish they had talked about the Tribunal system
@ImaDorkasaurusRawr
4 жыл бұрын
It is so beautiful to see him work people and he's so ridiculously subtle about it too. I've had some good therapists in my day, but he takes the cake mix, prepares it, bakes it, pulls it out of the oven, nurtures it, feeds it, supplies it with what it needs and then he reveals that the cake mix was crafted by him decades earlier in attempt to save your soul from the depths of despair that you so delicately have woven so snug around your beautifully little flesh prison. Oh, how I envy all the cakes that he helps. I love him.
@ImaDorkasaurusRawr
4 жыл бұрын
我是NA
@ImaDorkasaurusRawr
4 жыл бұрын
Yooo Dr K just hit us with the Bass ackwards. lmao.
@tailormuller4854
4 жыл бұрын
Hope you'll expand your coach recruitment to europe. We need people like that here
@ClassicLockheart
4 жыл бұрын
We so easily give weight to the negativity and not enough weight or credit to the positive things in life. I struggle with this myself. Why do we do that?
@omar8102
4 жыл бұрын
It's our ego, the solution would be to acknowledge it like doctor k said, "we int our next game bc ppl inted the past game", its about taking a pause and taking a 3rd person perspective to prevent our ego from "inting that next game" and moving on which sounds cliche but when you feel like that just think that what happened... happened you can't change it so move on "go next game" but "instead of inting" think of that new experience, as what it is something new, instead of dwelling on the past. Hope that helps.
@ElAntroDeDager
4 жыл бұрын
Destiny got destroyed in this debate.
@saijeetdogra9360
4 жыл бұрын
You picked a bad time to get lost friend.
@KenoxProductions
4 жыл бұрын
I don't watch/know Voyboy well, but damn, he seems like a great guy. Super nice and supportive.
@1110-s1t
4 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard anyone mention it in comments, but for me, when I'm being introspective, I think that when I make a mistake, and then deliberately throw, the incentive reward structure is "my prediction about that play was incorrect, but if I try to lose now, then it was all pary of my plan, and I get to be correct". I can say "I told you we would lose if you didn't do X" and there is nothing they can do about it.
@whiteflame24
4 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem league has is genuinely a lack of voice chat and the fact Riot released Valorant with voice chat from day one but seems to refuse to put it into league is the strangest decision they continue to make as a company.
@nickdreezy2457
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. There’s a lot more communication in games like CS and Valorant because they force you to be in voice chat and to communicate with others
@punchingsmallchildren
4 жыл бұрын
@@nickdreezy2457 Voice chat would be a waste of time and money. Majority of players would not use it. League has more communication if you include pings.
@Roygasm
4 жыл бұрын
@@punchingsmallchildren People habitually misuse pings and don't know how to ping effectively. It causes more of a lapse of communication and causes more tilt as a whole. Voice chat in solo/duo queue is the answer to this problem.
@tiephewn4718
4 жыл бұрын
@@Roygasm people habitually misuse voice chat.
@Roygasm
4 жыл бұрын
@@tiephewn4718 people habitually misuse text chat and pings. The mute function will still be available.
@mofire5674
3 жыл бұрын
I've had team chat and all chat turned off for a long time now. Has made league much better. Pings are good enough, and even those can be toxic.
@kennethsantana1101
4 жыл бұрын
gaming is a tough field my friend, you're a psychopath for trying to siphon useful information in the genre but keep the aid coming, I'm with you. my next watch is "Psychiatrist Explains How Insecure People Use the Internet" pretty excited for that!
@anojansmart
4 жыл бұрын
Remember when T1 uses to have an int list? Good times rofl
@myracle001
4 жыл бұрын
I haven't gotten through the whole video yet, but no one has mentioned Tyler1 yet XD
@jesseperez4185
4 жыл бұрын
this is the number one topic i would preach to people wanting to improve
@TheTwestone
4 жыл бұрын
amazing talk
@ryu.motion
4 жыл бұрын
Another amazing video.
@lucasa8710
Жыл бұрын
I've recently had the same epiphany that Dr. K's "Oh shit, if I learn hot to no invest in the expectations I create when I start a game, maybe I can use this knowledge in the real life"
@jjampong639
4 жыл бұрын
Dr K: *talks* Sanch, voy and shipthur: 🤔🤔
@marfmaster2567
4 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to have ppl from other regions too in a talk about toxicity instead of just NAs.
@llililillilliilli905
4 жыл бұрын
where is the SUPER TOP HASHINSHIN ah, jail
@videovangaurd4964
4 жыл бұрын
I actually think this is super helpful since I was permanently banned at the start of this season and I’m trying to be a better more positive influence on community
@viktorkrasowski3623
4 жыл бұрын
Man, listening to the whole video while playing Minecraft is kinda relaxing and gives me so many new viewpoints.
@FMD-FullMetalDragon
4 жыл бұрын
This League topic should be a weekly panel with various League streamers and pros. It's that important to bring Awareness to this.
@ninnin1595
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly this is a discussion i wouldve liked to take part in to just add stuff and clear some things up. The feeling u get most when u lose cause of inters is just helplessness. U can try and try and try as hard as u can but it would all be wasted in the end so why bother. Thats the normal perception. Voy shiphtur and sirchez are people that are rare cause they still try their best despite overwhelmingly negative odds. And speaking of toxicity increasing, i think that streamers did play a big role in that department. A lot of toxic or semi toxic players, streamers and personalities got idolized the community because of their skill in the game, while also disregarding the fact that their behaviour is not really acceptable. Tyler1 got famous through ruining other peoples experience. And people loved him for that. They encouraged him and they copied him picking draven end running it down cause they wanted to be like him. There are a lot of streamers that got popular based on toxicity mixed with skill. And in all these cases the skill ingame got viewed above the toxicity by the community proving that thats what they ultimately cared about. Maybe cause they lacked perspective or they just dont care. And then theres the irresponsibility of some streamers creating more plagues by being a bad example. I dont wanna name too many examples but seeing how IWD flaming Ryouma in his Costreams and podcasts ruined his reputation and made a big part of the esports community flame him in every way and every chance they can get rly proves how much influence these ppl have on the community. Obviously streamers arent the only reason theres the obvious ones like blaming mistakes on others, being too invested in something thats actually minor in reality and all these things add up. And league is the perfect game for aaaaaall these negative emotions and behaviour to thrive. The company cant keep up with punishing toxic players, the community keeps spawning new toxicity each game, the content creators encourage such behaviour and it all adds up. Add the fact that smurfs infest a lot of elos and increase the mentality of "i dont care about this account anyways" and also increase frustration for people already feeling hopeless. Its just a big pile of toxicity circles that are hard to break without the community as individuals realizing that they gotta change. Anyways rly enjoyed the vid and hope some ppl read this and maybe agree and add onto it.
@jeffnaval4894
4 жыл бұрын
i've been playing league for 7 years and i can tell you that league improves a lot. i remember my 1st 3 years when half players were toxic back then. but now there's only 1 or 2 out of 10 player toxic players. it's becoming more peaceful and quiet game. and i'm Diamond player.
@nickdreezy2457
4 жыл бұрын
Disagree
@rivakenpachi656
4 жыл бұрын
Nah dude
@GHawk134
4 жыл бұрын
Self sabotage is a defense mechanism against failure. If you can convince yourself that you don't care about an outcome, then failure no longer matters. If you feel bad about the B, you can abandon your GPA and protect yourself from those bad feelings through apathy.
@garagavia
4 жыл бұрын
The homies! Hope we get another ep of this!
@mamamia9840
4 жыл бұрын
Now they need to redo this discussion but with tyler1 tarzaned and tfblade
@fnerg2
3 жыл бұрын
it kinda pisses me off how relatable this is
@MisterPoooh
4 жыл бұрын
1:19:41 Real words start here
@DefenderN1
4 жыл бұрын
They should invite Tyler1 here to coach them. After all he's the only one that got Reformed.
@syko683
4 жыл бұрын
Tyler1 is a personality not a real person
@dodge26022
4 жыл бұрын
I think the main reason is that there are no in-game voice comms, as a player might try to do an ambitious play that often requires communication. When it fails because he wasn't able to communicate his intentions real-time well, people will blame him even tho it might have been good if executed correctly with comms. This creates a blaming environment which as you said people won't like being told they did something bad but in their mind, they did not. Also even if they did a massive mistake which potentially could massively decrease the chances of winning and actually exclaiming they did a mistake after a fact even if they know doesn't help and further increases toxicity and negative mindset instead of focusing on how we recover from that people focus too much on blaming statements.
@dodge26022
4 жыл бұрын
but ye I can't get over people leaving minute 3 of the game that's just stupid and not sportsmanlike or competitive.
@jack17jackson3
4 жыл бұрын
I love like you can totally tell what sanch is thinking at the moment
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