Yep, I've owned a WR250R and now have a DR650. The WR is much better for off-road and trail-riding. It has better ergonomics (of the bars and footpeg position), is lighter, and has FAR better suspension. The DR is better on highways, and the higher torque it has is fun and convenient. I bought my DR for touring around the U.S., riding mostly on highways, and a significant amount on easy dirt roads. Don't expect to ride any challenging roads or trails. So far, the DR is working well for me and I'm happy with it. (Also, I bought recently, and prices of the WR were crazy, like $6,000 for used bikes. I bought the DR for close to $4,000)... The DR feels much better for me on the highway. The torque there is nice. Mine has just the basic mods, and it pulls really hard past the speeds I'd want to go (to 80, where it's just hitting the high power in 5th, so it seems like it'd pull hard past 100)..
@royjmcc7
2 жыл бұрын
I’m 6’6” and have a DR650, I put bar risers on it and lowered the pegs as well as a taller seat. I think it’s a great fit for tall riders, great low end grunt and does well on the highway. I have ridden the WR250r and felt it was way underpowered. The ergonomics on the DR were great after a few mods.
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
I was cramped as hell and I had all the ergo mods man, plus it’s just too heavy for my riding style like I said. If I were a more road oriented rider I’d have kept it though for sure, that torque at the bottom makes for better road riding. Different strokes for different folks man!
@thedudetravels6737
2 жыл бұрын
I think this was a pretty fair review. It's a good 50 / 50. Someone once said to me, the DR is a street bike made for the dirt and also a dirt bike made for the street. The front and rear shocks are terrible for off road for sure. This is my second season with the DR and I plan on changing out the carb, exhaust, and doing some suspension work at the end of this season. Like you, I'm 6' 2" and 300lbs . Bigger riders definitely need to mod it. For me the DR shines in what it's able to do. I love distance riding. I spend a lot of time on road. I love a bike that rides great on the highway, then can "get the job done" off road. Perfect for mountain riding, camping adventures, and getting into those places a normal motorcycle just can't go. Plus the power on the highway is just awesome. It's affordable, easy to work on, and fun to ride. For me, it's the perfect bike. You do need to make some changes to really get it to perform up to it's true potential.
@TurtleforHire
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I'd say everything you covered was fair. I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum being a shorter than average rider. The DR's compact cockpit is one of it's benefits to me as opposed to it being a negative for you. When you were first explaining your style of riding I was thinking, "well a WR250R or DRZ400 are probably the bikes for you" then shortly after you covered how great of a fit for you the WR250R was and I had a good giggle. Sorry that you couldn't "love" the DR, I'd even say that I don't "love" the DR either. It just happens to fit me better than anything else. I'm no stranger to riding the taller bikes, with skill and technique you can ride 37" bikes as a short person. But it requires making sure to plan your stops and dismounts properly in uneven terrain. When you become tired/exhausted you make more mistakes, and those mistakes can lead to a 300+ pound bike crushing you (no one wants to look like a child trying to wrangle a full size dirt bike). Maybe one day they'll build us our unicorn bikes.
@BaraTheVeggie
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome review my man. It means so much to have an educated opinion of a fellow giant.
@theruffiankj4164
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an eloquent and informed overview - from an old-school Thumper man who rides the desert and mountain backroads of Southern Africa. I’m short, and even I had to lower the footpegs and do a handlebar mod to feel uncramped in the cockpit. I’ve done 36,000 ks on my DR with no problems, and I rotate it on trips with my first generation KLR ( much lighter than the later ones) which has now over 100,000 ks on the clock.
@papatorr3669
2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. I often listen to videos on 1.25 speed, and if the narrator is a slow talker, I might bump it to 1.5. You have a relatively slow, methodical, calming voice. I don't dare go to 1.25, as I just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show like some people will sit a spell a the front porch and have a chat and watch the traffic go by.
@mattfarrar8566
3 жыл бұрын
I am 6’4 290 with the tall guy mods and I like the way it fits. I came off a m109r so the small factor is part of the fun for me. I’m more of a dirt road and highway rider. The 50/50 is exactly right. It’s pretty good at both. Not great at either. I have taken it in hard rocky trails and it will do them all, just not as quick as more diet oriented bike, which is fine because I have 0 skill anyway. Good review!
@louvega8414
2 жыл бұрын
Good insights, thanks man. That's a lotta bikes in 5 yrs, you may have commitment issues. I'm envious.
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. Lotta bikes looking for the perfect bike for me. I found it though. WR250R. I’ve had it for about 3 years now though.
@bradmonrean2307
2 жыл бұрын
@@OgreMoto I had the WR250R for 6 years, and put 26000 miles on it. In 2015, I traded for a new DR650. I have 15000 miles on the DR, and while I really like both bikes, I wish I could have the weight and suspension of the WR, with the low end torque of the DR. If money were no object, I would have another WR250R for more serious off road, and keep the DR for street/dirt road riding. I'm too cheap to modify the suspension, so I tend to ride the DR within its design limits. [At 53, that may be a wise choice. Lol!]
@TopanKJ
Жыл бұрын
Really like the description of u can do or not. Humble and straight to the point!
@mt1885
3 жыл бұрын
Got DR650 as well, the side panels have to due by feel and put some 3M SILICONE on the rubber grommets makes it way easier. Front Brake - Need a GALFER front brake line. I am getting the one I got 2006 with 1,200 miles. Got a DRZ400S as well, solid bikes and fun to ride on trails.
@papatorr3669
2 жыл бұрын
You produce excellent content. I'm at 5'4" and own a KLR. From your videos and talking to other shorter riders, and considering the riding I want to do: the DR650 is the bike for me. When considering losing weight off my body or comparing two motorcycles I think in terms of 5 lb bags of sugar. I usually get one out and weigh it in my hand moving it up and down to feel its weight in motion. The KLR is 13 bags of sugar wet weight heavier! Imagine loading your bike down with THIRTEEN bags of sugar in your paniers, on the seat, a couple on the bars, etc. before you go on your next ride. I love the KLR, but I'm going to make the switch this season. And for you other shorter riders: my lighter weight bike is the TW200. I think the Ogre mentioned the DR650 not being as good in the mud, the TW fat tires are better in mud and sand than standard tires. But don't get a TW if going fast is your goal.
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
If you watch my recent videos you’ll see that I actually have a TW now! I bought it for my wife. It doesn’t work well for my height though lol. Appreciate the kind words tho!!!
@craigsadventurechannel5744
3 жыл бұрын
Good honest review of the dr , comment from a dr rider
@94SexyStang
2 жыл бұрын
Great video!! I'm waiting for my dealer to get a Dr650 in stock so I can check it out.........But I sat on the drz400 and it's super high up! I've been riding Motorcycles for 10 years..... so standing on my tippy toes REALLY sketches me out!! haha.....I already have Super Bikes and toys, so Not looking to go fast and break bones off-road either.........I just need something to torque around, and check out trails and cruise powerlines and Escape for a while.
@davidfalgout7304
Жыл бұрын
Amen!
@atheistmetal1
3 жыл бұрын
HEY BRO,, YOU LEFT ME A COMMENT ABOUT THE KTM 690 HAVING GREMLINS AND YOU WISH that a japenese manufacturer should make a comparable bike. i couldn't agree more. i currently have a drz 400sm. i wanted the 690 or 701 but you are yet another person warning me about the problems w 690 ktm. THANK YOU!!
@OgreMoto
3 жыл бұрын
I’d personally just be satisfied with what you got until something better comes along man.
@GrayStudioYT
2 жыл бұрын
Im still dreaming with at least try all those dual sport bikes out there I never did, specially the DR, unfortunately, already on my 30's I only had the chance to have two drz400sm and I tried an xt600 T_T I really wanted since years ago to try more than any others the two you focus on the video, DR and WR. Glad you found your one!
@RandomGRK
3 жыл бұрын
My DR650 would have suited you. Its has RMZ450 forks and an extended custom Cogent shock and all the other ergonomic changes. Dude I got it from is 6ft4 and had to add 2 inches to the side stand. Its a fantastic bike
@OgreMoto
3 жыл бұрын
I had all the ergo mods and it still was pretty cramped for me. The RMZ forks would’ve been awesome, but they don’t change the cockpit space, which was the main issue I had with it.
@mt1885
3 жыл бұрын
What year RMZ450 forks you put on there?
@frankfrank9582
3 жыл бұрын
Fair explanation. You believe with your experience you should of first major your height on the bike and then buy it. But you purchased the DR first and then realized that bike not feating your size..
@OgreMoto
3 жыл бұрын
The main reason I didn’t like this bike is because it’s a pig for the type of stuff I enjoy riding the most. I could’ve dealt with the smaller size of the bike, especially with all of the ergo mods I did. I learn from first hand experience, not other peoples’ opinions, especially since I’m way taller than the majority of people out there.
@justgjt
3 жыл бұрын
The carb can be sorted by drilling the 2.5mm slide hole out to 3mm and adding a second 3mm hole on the other side as well. You will then get the throttle response of a pumper carb and the hesitation that you mentioned will disappear.
@OgreMoto
3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it, but the old DR has been gone for months now.
@overcome8628
2 жыл бұрын
Yea, I asked procycle about drilling holes in the carb and they strongly advised me not to do it.
@matthewcaughey8898
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review I’m 5 foot 10 or just under 6 foot and weigh a bit over 300. ( work parts so I’m chunky but am rather muscular) Needed to know if something like this would be a good commuter bike as I only live 7 miles from my job and would like to get. Something even cheaper to get to work with. I’m not planning on trail riding but having a soft suspension will definitely help to not beat me up. Thanks for showing me it can get out of it’s own way dragging my fat @$$ around
@Weltbummler23
2 жыл бұрын
Great review! For some reason my friend’s drz is noticeably lower than my DR. Im pretty sure my DR is at the stock height setting, and i thought his was too, but maybe its at lower setting. My DR feels bigger than his DRZ all around. And yeah the DRZ is way more capable off road, but i still love riding the DR on the same trails, just a bit slower, lol.
@mikeogden5256
3 жыл бұрын
Great Stuff
@motoric5188
3 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks! 👍
@danaclark1304
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Very tall, You mentioned everything except the factory ride hight on the DR650 can be adjusted up or down by about 2". Make sure you have the correct suspension "dog bone links" on the rear suspension. That might be why it so much lower than your WR... Happy riding..
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up, although It was definitely factory links. The guy I bought it from (my cousin) bought it new and never changed it. It’s just a significantly smaller bike than the WR250R. It’s long gone now though.
@modshiftmotion
3 жыл бұрын
Great review man.
@Dave_A41
8 ай бұрын
would love to hear your prospective one the XR650L. Im looking at buying the xr650l or dr650. I'm 6'4" 280lb, leaning more toward the xr650l
@wyattcummings7887
Жыл бұрын
This video is great all the one I have found is for short riders and I am 6.8
@Gerz970
3 жыл бұрын
3:30 idk what that was but you made me have to check my room for a demon
@OgreMoto
3 жыл бұрын
LOL I didn't even notice that even when editing! That's creepy as hell! Now I've gotta look for demons!
@dlovell29
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with most everything you mentioned. BUT...... The biggest thing people never mention...... The DR in stock form (total crap) is a blank canvas to build to your specifications. Yes it takes a bit of money and time, but there isn't another bike that fits ME like my DR. After the ergo mods and suspension, I'm left with a seat height over 3inches taller than stock. (38.5 inches) My bike is significantly taller than the other 9 DR's I ride with. There are many different ways to build this bike whether it's for commuting, touring, off-road, super moto, or even scrambler. There aren't many bikes that have the potential to be as versatile as the DR.
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
I had all the tall mods and my bike was still significantly shorter than a stock WR250R (37” seat height). 38.5” is a bit of an exaggeration lol.
@dlovell29
2 жыл бұрын
@@OgreMoto You realize that I've built this bike right??? Stock seat height is 35". SC Tall is 1 3/4" Taller than stock = 36 3/4".... Aftermarket suspension raised the bike 1 1/4" = 38".... Set of knobby tires adds 1/2"...= 38 1/2". When FULLY loaded with gear for cross country trips it sits at 37". (with my sheepskin its a bit taller) No exaggerations. I built my bike how I wanted/needed it.... sounds like you just gave up on yours too soon.
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
@@dlovell29 high seat height doesn’t equal better comfort for taller riders. Seat to peg distance does. Even with all the tall people mods it was still cramped for me. It’s a great bike, but it’s just too heavy for the riding I do. It just didn’t suit my riding style one bit, that’s why I gave up on it. 380lbs after all my mods on it. My WR is 75lbs less with all the mods I’ve got on it and the geometry and suspension of that bike is so much better it’s not even funny. Just my 2 cents.
@guyvsguy6728
3 жыл бұрын
It's not fair to compare the WR to other dual sports. They're just dual sports. The WR is a plated dirt bike - no matter what the dealership says. Lol.
@JumpingWatermelons
3 жыл бұрын
WR is far from a plated dirt bike. The suspension may be comparable, but the engine is built for long term use and reliability and makes, what, half the power of a 250cc dirt bike 4 stroke. (?) I think the only major manufacturer that really makes a plated dirt bike is KTM/Husq.
@anthonybarrera3934
Ай бұрын
Bro the wheel don’t even go over your head when you wheelie that’s crazy 😂
@billbonu1639
Жыл бұрын
One thing the Dr has that the xr650l doesn't is an oil cooler which was the decision maker for me.I really had my heart set on a the 650l but kept hearing and reading about head and valve issues due to heat and I get stuck in traffic a good bit so I went with the dr650.if Honda would put an oil cooler on theirs I would have bought it.sounds like you need to get a good truck and set of ramps for the KTM.
@oliverallen5324
Жыл бұрын
There is an after-market one you can get. The XR was designed to Baja in the desert, so as you said as long as you're moving it's fine. Hope you're enjoying yourself!
@Dave_A41
8 ай бұрын
I'm trying to decide between the 2, but the overheating scares me, but the ergonomics feel better on the xr. I really dont think I will be at risk of overheating the xr tho.
@leeredpath8332
2 жыл бұрын
im more interested on your thoughts on your wr250. what have you had to do to it for your weight and height and what those costs would be? do you have a video on your 250?
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
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@jeffvaljean6030
2 жыл бұрын
Mate I have the 1986 DR600 I am five foot seven and trust me when I say it aint a small bike I think your hight is very unusual for this kind of bike
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Even compared to the other 650’s it’s a small bike
@cryptokinggg1430
2 жыл бұрын
Would you say the Honda xr650L is good for taller riders ? I'm 6'4 225lbs
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the 650L is a great bike but it’s even more cramped than this bike is. Honestly being slightly shorter and weighing less you should be fine though. If you watch my 2020 dual sport buyer’s guide I actually go in depth on the 650L for taller folks.
@cryptokinggg1430
2 жыл бұрын
@@OgreMoto thanks for the info 👍
@localresident7826
2 жыл бұрын
It's funny the WR250r is a bigger bike than the DR650 because the DR has a longer wheelbase...58.7" vs WR's 55.9". Must be the seat height and the 18" rear wheel.
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
It’s mainly the seat to peg distance I notice the most at my height. The WR is just more spread out cockpit wise.
@bigtrev761
Жыл бұрын
🇦🇺😎👍
@AUSSIE_RC
2 жыл бұрын
My mate got a teneray 700 2020 model I have a dr650 2020 model an iv been riding for 15 years an im fairly tall about 6foot I haven't checked for ages my legs are also fairly long not to long but thats were my hight is an im still growing so I might hit 6.5 one day idk. Just in size the 700 is way bigger an heavier an is way more of a handful in the bush but u are a fairly tall dude so who know its might be easier for u to throw the 650 around but ye I find that the 650 is the ultimate dual sport bike its really lite for what it is has a good turn surcual handles pretty good once u make the front a bit stiffer an shit an maybe the back depends an it goes really good stock bc its pretty light an if u give the carby more air an get an exhaust they hall ass an if u were to put a 780 bore kit in it qn spend a bit on some other things it would be way better than any other dual sport bike in every situation. .. if u wanna know how to make your dr 650 go way better u needa drill a hole in the carby wheres there's already one that controls the airflow the control the snappynes of the the throttle an shit an u also needa open the air box a bit more just look it up on yt or google there should be something out there about it .
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
My DR already had the carb tuned. It wasn't really a power issue though, more weight for me. I really enjoy single track riding the most and the WR is just the better bike for that stuff. Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching!
@davidfalgout7304
Жыл бұрын
Aussie>. gets award for long sentence contest. I am wondering if he has any form of education?
@AUSSIE_RC
Жыл бұрын
@@davidfalgout7304 so what I don’t check my spelling an auto correct is goofy. I don’t see why my education status would matter. I love how it’s always someone making fun of ya spelling or education it shows how little cognitive ability they have to conjure up a better insult. Oh naw u finished a higher grade than me or so u think how cute I have rc cars worth more than ya house
@AUSSIE_RC
2 жыл бұрын
An the side plate tabs aren't to bad once your used to it. It's probably there for a reason
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
I would agree with that but I've owned loads of different bikes and the DR's side plate tabs are just a dumb design. Every other bike I've owned has had a better solution for fitting side panels.
@AUSSIE_RC
Жыл бұрын
@@OgreMoto yeah I suppose but u can’t get the best of both worlds. There probably so funky bc they really haven’t changed since 1980s or whenever they started being made i can’t remember. An all the other bikes in its category are newer in design apart from a tt600 an xr650
@HoboHiney
Жыл бұрын
I'm 5' 11", should fit about right
@travisbarr5367
2 жыл бұрын
I'm 6'10" 270lbs and I'm looking at the honda XR650L. What is your opinion of that bike
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Tall bike but very cramped. The seat to peg distance is worse than the DR650 and KLR650.
@localresident7826
2 жыл бұрын
@@OgreMoto And no real way to lower the pegs on a xrl
@davidfalgout7304
Жыл бұрын
What were you thinking when you bought it? You bought it used and test road it. You should have known then it was not what you are looking for and or needed! I am 5'10". I would not by the Honda XR650 because it was way to tall. So if I had bought it, then carried on on how tall it was and it did not fit me... that would be as non-sensical as what you did here. There are two wheel machines for tall people and the same for not so tall. How could you have not known this going into the ownership. Your take on the DR650 shows it in a less favorable light than it deserves! I do not get why you and so many others do this. I have been riding since 1968. Ridden well over 100 different bikes. Owned 25+. Raced for 2 years and was good enough to earn a professional sponsorship. I do not understand why people do not use diligence in the choices they make. If on the other hand, you were misled by the seller or never got to ride the DR 650... that is an entirely different situation. I NEVER EVER.. buy a bike before riding one... even if it is used. This has saved me for many purchases that would have been NO GOOD FOR ME ! (WELL.... the one time I did, was the one bike I should have never bought. I sold it a few months later, lost $500 bucks, learned my lesson and did not complain to the world ... all the faults of the machine. It was not the machines short comings. The seller mislead me....big time.)
@OgreMoto
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t test ride this DR650 bud, I owned it for over a year lol. Not sure what you’re on about, I just like trying different things.
@davidfalgout7304
Жыл бұрын
@@OgreMoto Others have commented on your video here. I think we feel you were being unfair to the DR650. You could have made your points about it not being big enough and other things you mentioned in a more professional way. You came off as a whining ...in a way. It's not your fault or our fault you are big like Chewbacca . He would not fit on a small bike either. Happy trails!
@thomasmarquez6790
Жыл бұрын
At 6’7” you need a XR650L.
@OgreMoto
Жыл бұрын
The 650L is a tall bike but the seat to peg distance makes it very cramped. I’ve ridden a couple now.
@HoboHiney
Жыл бұрын
What tires do you recommend?
@OgreMoto
Жыл бұрын
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@HoboHiney
Жыл бұрын
Ok thanks!
@crazyfishotezza6286
2 жыл бұрын
Put a new smart carby on it way better than fuel injection
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
The DR has been sold for a while now 🤷♂️
@nicks_ride
3 жыл бұрын
I must have missed it somewhere - how tall are you?
@OgreMoto
3 жыл бұрын
6’7”
@gabrielkopp2036
2 жыл бұрын
The Honda xr650l is a far superior bike in every way the dr650 on and off road
@BillySBC
2 жыл бұрын
Yes but you're a 6 foot 7 inch ten percent road rider... I mean a guy like you shouldn't even be looking at dual sport bikes at all, just dirt bikes exclusively. The little 250 you ride must just be nearly impossible to get to trail with your weight and size, once you get to trail yes it's gonna be great, but getting you there must just be torture for that little motor. So to have you review a bike like the DR650 really isn't something that's all that useful to people because you're not really in the group of buyers looking for a bike like this.
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
So, let me get this straight, because I'm tall and a more off-road oriented I'm not entitled to an opinion on this bike? You realize other tall riders exist right? Also, you're the guy who was being super dogmatic about EFI vs Carb weren't you?! Back for vengeance eh? LOL I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the world doesn't revolve around you Billy and this video clearly isn't aimed at you, but saying my video really isn't "all that useful to people because you're not really in the group of buyers looking for a bike like this." is the funniest thing I've heard today, so thanks for the laugh there! Also, me riding this little 250 is no different than an averaged sized person riding a scooter or Grom, which go for tens of thousands of miles. Are you just looking for extra displacement to compensate for something else perhaps? Get a grip.
@BillySBC
2 жыл бұрын
@@OgreMoto You're entitled to an opinion but you are a niche type of rider when it comes to dual sport bikes. How many people buy a dual sport and used it 10 percent of the time on the street? You might be the only one I've ever heard of. You don't like the bike because it's not offroad enough for you, but it's not meant to be that. Why review a bike that doesn't match up with the type of riding you mostly do? It would be like me reviewing some 2000 cc roadhog bike that I'd never be interested in anyway. And carbs are way more reliable than EFI. Just sayin'.
@OgreMoto
2 жыл бұрын
@@BillySBC You realize by saying I’m entitled to my opinion you’re basically acknowledging that all of your scrutiny until now has been irrelevant, right? Yet you still go on to tell me why my opinion doesn’t matter. You’ve got quite the superiority complex Billy.
@keithquinn5624
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, dr650 isn’t for 90%off road, you made wrong decision, wr250r way better if u doing 90% off road
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