And I do believe that the demon realm is not only part of universe 7. It seems like it's own dimension, not bound inside any universe.
@TheJadeFist
12 сағат бұрын
That's what my take away was, cause the Supreme Kai wasn't able to teleport there directly and needed the ship, even though we saw the kais were able to go between universes in Super. So it's separated from the rest of the cosmology some how.
@Animelover-si4ff
12 сағат бұрын
@@TheJadeFistIt’s a different multiverse. With simple words the Demon Realm is outside the boundaries of the main Dragon Ball Multiverse
@silverthunder639
11 сағат бұрын
it seems that way, since the guard asked which universe the villains where going to and the realm is bounded to all the universes and the namekians come, supposedly, from there and migrated to universe 7 and universe 6.
@OptimusC
9 сағат бұрын
@@Animelover-si4ff So, you are saying there's only and ever was 1 Majin Buu? If that's the case, every Universe would have known about him... rather than not having a clue as they portray in the Expo Match when Universe 9 took on Universe 7.... more specifically the Basil vs Buu fight.
@Masterpain33
8 сағат бұрын
@@OptimusC probably. Majins are also from Demon Realm since the Degetsu or w/e is Majin
@tehniathali2285
13 сағат бұрын
We get more information from ep to ep, thats why I'm hooked for this show. Finally, Toriyama's world building in DB 🔥💯
@joshwallace444
13 сағат бұрын
Maybe the demon realm was the original universe and that's why it's shut off from everywhere.
@Shadowking12321
12 сағат бұрын
Also remember that the Yardrat in the Tournament of Power was on the team from Universe 2 and the Yardrat has pointy ears which would potentially mean the Yardrat race is also from the demon realm. Which could also be how they got to different universes. It does connect!
@BrandonPyle-v5m
10 сағат бұрын
@@Shadowking12321 that's anime only.
@phillemon7664
8 сағат бұрын
@@BrandonPyle-v5m Daima is "anime only" as of right now so your point?
@BrandonPyle-v5m
2 сағат бұрын
@phillemon7664 yeah and the second episode basically went with "no pointed ears doesn't mean they are from the Denon Realm either... and Yardrats have a completely different appearance now thanks to the Super Manga.
@Shadowking12321
10 минут бұрын
Well actually the yardat design we see in Super with Vegeta is the original Toriyama design. The pink version we see in Z and ToP was designed by Toei for filler. Therefore they decided to use both in the universe as the race has two different appearances.
@zeonjonzu2386
12 сағат бұрын
the Demon Realm has to be connected to multiple universes if it wasn't there wouldn't be a need to ask them which one they wanted to go
@Brettku
12 сағат бұрын
The Demon Realm being the size of the macrocosm and the "other side of the coin" would be incredible. I think they might have their own Demon Realms but i like the idea of it just being so massive its the other side of the macrocosm and not just U7. And thats how the U6 Namekians got to U6 and even Jimizu (the Yardrat from the TOP) ended up in Universe 2 by using that Nexus.
@pilafprice2372
12 сағат бұрын
I agree and I also believe that those fish we saw are the 2 of 3 only fish connecting all the demon realms with all the other realms
@peachydls341
2 сағат бұрын
Getting to earth from the demon world felt like a 2001 a space odyssey scene
@Joe-cp5ud
10 сағат бұрын
Its very Toriyama esque to have a fish controlled the portals between the universes
@zacharyperkins9288
3 сағат бұрын
Oh yeah 😂
@J-MOGallery
12 сағат бұрын
The Demon Realm is confusing. The Nemeks originated from it and we have Nemeks in Universe 6. Did they split and go to Universe 6 and 7? Are there Nemeks in the other universes if they had a choice?
@Gaia_BentosZX5
2 сағат бұрын
Not really if you consider the very bottom of Universe 7 as a gateway to other universes, a buffer in a sense to keep people from that universe from invading other universes. We have seen this a lot in multiverse stories so this recent failsafe was put into place after Demon King Dabura's demise, Zamasu's rebellion, and the Tournament of Power.
@Animelover-si4ff
12 сағат бұрын
The Demon Realm is a totally separated world from the Dragon Ball Multiverse (the 12 Universes.) Also Kaioshin’s brother in the first episode said ‘Babidi wants to rule the outside world, the Demon Realm and all other worlds” Implying that there are other worlds beyond the boundaries of the dragon ball universe as well.
@mastertucker
7 сағат бұрын
That's not necessarily true. As "the outside" has been referred to as where Dabura went - the living universe of universe 7. As we also know the demon realm was called "another realm entirely from this universe" in the Granolah arc where the namekian talked about where they came from. So "the outside world (the universe), the demon realm (already been called another world entirely)" - there are more worlds in the db universe 7. Other World, Hell, the Kai realm outside the universe: "all other worlds" would still fit that description without having to exceed universe 7.
@alecazzzam
5 сағат бұрын
@@mastertucker Not trying to nit pick but pretty sure Other World, Supreme Kai's Planet, and even Hell (HFIL) are all based within universe 7, or rather each universe has their own Other World, Supreme Kai's Planet, and Hell (HFIL) just not on the mortal plane, since every planet has their own check in station and every universe has their own Supreme Kai. Demon Realm and Hell aren't the same things also.
@mastertucker
5 сағат бұрын
@@alecazzzam yes this is all correct. And my point is that each of these places has been referred to as other worlds. So “babidi wants to rule the outside world and all worlds” can still refer just to universe 7.
@eduardopantoja9115
4 сағат бұрын
@@mastertucker So does that mean that there is only one demon realm since it's not connected to Universe 7
@mystic5583
2 сағат бұрын
@@eduardopantoja9115we don’t know, like geekdom said there is multiple paths they could take. People saying the nexus point only takes you between universes seems kind of incorrect. The amount of portals there is more than 13. Shin also said he had to take the ship to get to u7, so that already kind of shows that it’s probably more than just between universes. In terms of the number of demon realms, as of now I’d say there is 1 per universe like toriyama original drawing unless they change something. U6 being a carbon copy of u7 kind of throws a rench in the idea that there is only 1 demon realm and that the namekians just chose separate destinations
@MajinErick
9 сағат бұрын
Maybe that fish is related to Beerus's oracle fish.
@dilldall2080
12 сағат бұрын
The Demon Realm being a fraction of the microcosm and existing OUTSIDE of Universe is very plausible. Other universes might have their Demon Realms but i like the idea of it just being so massive its the other side of the macrocosm and not just U7. Maybe thats explains how the U6 Namekians got to U6 and even Jimizu (the Yardrat from the TOP) ended up in Universe 2 by using that Nexus.
@treyrob17
2 сағат бұрын
If it's just universe 7 the demon realm loses all its luster
@THEROGUEMAN7
11 сағат бұрын
Makes you wonder if Zamasu was aware of the demon realm in the future timeline.
@Geekdom101
9 сағат бұрын
i would assume so.
@specialnewb9821
11 сағат бұрын
The simplest explanation imo is the Demon land touches all the universes and Toriyama just changed his mind. If it's not in the original manga I have no issue with changes being made.
@Geekdom101
9 сағат бұрын
that could be!!
@aaront2192
13 сағат бұрын
Maybe that bottom of the universe point we can say that's the universal entrance to the demon realm/exiting the universe in question
@JD_ULTRA_19
12 сағат бұрын
I love how TUNE in you are, and how tune in your videos are keeping us in. We been waiting so long for new DRAGON BALL CONTENT THANK GOD WE FINALLY HERE. LETS GO ‼️‼️
@governm3nt697
11 сағат бұрын
I hope we get a brief flashback of Babadi and Dabura passing through this area.
@Geekdom101
9 сағат бұрын
me too!!
@Doktor47
9 сағат бұрын
We've just been introduced to White magic and Black magic. So far we've only been dealing with Angels and White magic. Makes sense that the demon realm uses other methods
@Doktor47
9 сағат бұрын
Adding to this. Zenos world exists outside the universes, there's no reason why the demon realm can't do the same. Heck maybe the spire on the bottom of the diagram is the access point from the universe to the demon realm.
@lrzero1362
8 сағат бұрын
I guess that this might be a future connection between Daima and DBS regarding Jiren's archenemy in U11, the demon who killed his mentor. If this is true about the demon having access to other universes, there's a chance that the demon that attacked Jiren's master, might come from another universe.
@christianastorga4555
12 сағат бұрын
I was very much reminded of Star Wars World between worlds after seeing this lol
@beerexpert1057
12 сағат бұрын
I wonder if the Demon Realm is a primordial realm where most things came from and later was sealed off.
@NousagiCaptain
10 сағат бұрын
That's honestly what it seems like. It's like many beings migrated out in a great exodus. And the Demon realm was either sealed in. Or the outside world was locked out. The beings that migrated continued to evolve and grow and master their powers and magics and formed the hierarchy we see today as gods. And there's native creatures that existed naturally outside the demon realm. That came from normal evolution. like Sayains, humans, and Frieza's race.
@Masterpain33
7 сағат бұрын
This is just the demon realm, I'll have to rewatch the episode but something made me believe there are other dimensions as well.
@Gaia_BentosZX5
2 сағат бұрын
@@Masterpain33 If you remember, a LOT of nameks fled the realm for a more peaceful life during a great exodus (There's THREE dragon balls in the demon realm, more powerful than Shenron. Presumably, there was a war that led to the creation of it's three guardians as one namek stayed behind). The Exodus, Dabura's death, Zamasu's Rebellion, and The Tournament of power was also the reason why not just ANYONE can go to the Demon Realm these days, a primordial universe that existed since the dawn of time. This is the most in-depth look of the Dragon World's primal beginnings so far, since dinosaurs and dragons exist in the Demon Realm as well among it's megafauna. Did the migrants bring them over as well?
@fabersoul
8 сағат бұрын
Really loving daima, piccolo is my favourite so far
@Allosaurus87
3 сағат бұрын
probably there are 6 demon realm and are connected to the twins universes like 6 and 7
@grapes9h5
3 сағат бұрын
My theory is that Dai Makai is part of universe 7 but other universe don’t have their own ans the Fish portals can go to any universe. So universe 6 Namekiansn came from the same world as the universe 7 ones and that’s world was still as it’s always been, part of U7. U6 is 7’s twin still but maybe instead of a Makai it has something else in its “bottom”
@thewisetzar5363
7 сағат бұрын
I hope we do get a deep exploration of this realm and it's people. Also give Majin Buu a huge role
@Shawntrimble9501
8 сағат бұрын
Because every universe has it's own kaioshin, destroyer, and angel, I would like to believe they would also have their own makaioshins as well. 💯
@GEORGIOARCADE
13 сағат бұрын
What i like about your channel is you give me information that i wouldn't have thought about regarding Dragon Ball Daima or anything Dragon Ball related 😁👊🏽. Sometimes i just watch the show and don't really think deeo about things until after and especially when i see your content. So keep the videos coming Geekdom especially the late night ones haha 🎖️
@LKPLLC
10 сағат бұрын
Or the Deamon Realm is similar to a Dead Zone but you can enter and exit?
@Geekdom101
9 сағат бұрын
Deadzone is not the same.
@stevenjohnson6962
12 сағат бұрын
If there is only one demon realm for the multiverse that could explain why goku and his friends dont get help for the tournament of power from demon realm. (Yes i know the real world explanation as to why.) But if the beings there are powerful and dangerous it would make sense to go there for potential fighters. Especially from former allies
@THEROGUEMAN7
11 сағат бұрын
It could also be because certain demonic beings are immune to angel abilities as well, which could undermine the Grand Priest's authority in the T.O.P. U11 did mention that the entity who killed Jiren's master was a demon (a high level one I would assume being able to pull it off), & the angel tried to revive him but couldn't because he was killed by a demon & his soul is in a state of limbo. The sorcery there must be dangerous to even the god hierarchy since the angels are Zeno's hidden manpower; kinda like independent contractors.
@Ttyumbra
11 сағат бұрын
@@THEROGUEMAN7I mean the guides did say they even couldn’t see what was going on in the demon realm
@emperorpersuit
4 сағат бұрын
I'm looking forward to future DBS arcs since it could also mean that some erased universe inhabitans may have escaped into the demon realm for safety and seek revenge against Zeno. It opens so many possibilities xD
@doubleaa8750
7 сағат бұрын
Would of been dope if we got to see Mr.popo attempt to take on degesu after he hit dende in Ep1..lol
@nobleskywalker4639
11 сағат бұрын
I always thought each universe has their own demon realm same as each universe having it's own kai and angel.
@mastertucker
7 сағат бұрын
Far as we know, pairs of universes don't share races with one another. Namekians could have come from U6 and 7's Demon Realms respectively just as Saiyans both lived on planet Sadala in 6 and 7 and nowhere else. Going by Toriyama's story each universe should have it's own Demon Realm, which means this should be somewhere else. We shouldn't assume retcon or forgotten info until it actually happens. And it makes sense - they had to go into a fish to go into a giant eye door portal thing to get into a whole other space with access to all universes. To me that screams separate central realm between them all that isn't Demon World or is only connected to it. Like if they just went into the fish's mouth and boom nexus realm? Sure. But having to go through a door to go through a door to go through a door - all under strict rule of not supposed to be going there - seems like a separate place. For the moment I don't think Toriyama changed his idea of demon realm's placement or forgot.
@Antonio-vn5xc
12 сағат бұрын
Man im glad dragonball is back
@KagepazRequiem
12 сағат бұрын
I wouldn't be shocked the higher-ups not knowing about such access points. Simply because of how they were a bit surprised of future trunks and the Mortal taping to time traveling. On such media, the angels and gods are often surprised by what Mortal can master our simply rebuild construct that they shouldn't even know of.
@LKPLLC
10 сағат бұрын
The multiverse could link to the movies and games lol I want to know how this ill connect to the super storyline
@justmyopinion84
7 сағат бұрын
So much to explore!
@ariel7590
3 сағат бұрын
I believe that if Toriyama drew that diagram today, he would include all 12 universes in the section of the mortals realm, planets of the kais and the gods of destruction around the map in random points, and the demon realm at the bottom. Also, I would love to see a video about the Dragon Ball timeline including future Trunks and Cell timelines :)
@danielsantiagourtado3430
13 сағат бұрын
Thanks For this! Love your content ❤❤❤❤
@jm8080ful
6 сағат бұрын
Honestly why would the giant fish ask which universe to go if they can't access any other universe from there, seems pretty stupid to think that it can only go to Universe 7
@Godsplan451
12 сағат бұрын
I would say each universe has their own demon realm or maybe 1 demon realm for all universes like you said.
@shadowspringtrap3122
9 сағат бұрын
My headcanon is of each Universe having their own demon realm or one large demon realm surrounding multiverse.
@reemobk6499
2 сағат бұрын
The fish resembles Beerus' oracle fish! I like the idea of the demon realm being its own dimension. Its in the name i guess, 'realm' implies it is indeed another realm. Different to simply 'the land of the kais'
@twistsnkicks
11 сағат бұрын
Please do the timeline video.
@jpmoney60
9 сағат бұрын
Well if universe 6 & 7 are twins what if they share the demon realm which is why he asked which universe seeing as how there’s namekians in only 6 & 7
@Tristan_Hitchens
12 сағат бұрын
Lemme see that timeline video, this was dope!
@DLC1111
4 сағат бұрын
Thank you,have an beautiful day🙏☺️
@danielarizmendy5399
2 сағат бұрын
It’s strange that the demon realm call earth a “Namek” after finding out it had dragonballs. Old dude also calls it a Namek. It looked like the portal took them straight to the lookout. I doubt there is a lookout for every portal, but maybe those lookouts are also from the demon realm
@astrapsy
12 сағат бұрын
Do a timeline video...that would help a lot
@savaget2058
10 сағат бұрын
A better question is can you move through timelines with the fish? One of the most casual things that is an incredible and confusing power that Whis has is awareness of other timelines and the ability to move people between them specifically. He puts Future Trunks and Mai in an alternate timeline where there was peace. Can these fish access other timelines too?
@murrayrystead4203
13 сағат бұрын
Yess thanks Geekdom101 love this
@ijlalkhan4110
11 сағат бұрын
When I saw the portal points, it just screamed digimon war game to me. When they went into the network and used portals as well 😅
@insanemakaioshin
4 сағат бұрын
The demon realm was created by Mechikabura and how it was created was already stated. Please do a timeline video, including video games, movies and GT.
@MaxBraver555
8 сағат бұрын
I would take the idea unknown Gods in DB can separate and move around realms at will, much more fit Toriyama’s writing
@MobUp
7 сағат бұрын
Black frieza spoilers nice
@danielsantiagourtado3430
13 сағат бұрын
Your explanation videos are always informative🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@Multidimensional.Analyst
11 сағат бұрын
The remastering is dope as fuck
@Masterpain33
7 сағат бұрын
also all kais are from the demon realm? So it is outside the universes. Who made them in power though Zeno? Was the Demon Realm one of the obliterated universes? or moved to there own realm? So many questions, so hype
@406findings
13 сағат бұрын
Save the turtles 🐢
@pilafprice2372
12 сағат бұрын
Leonardo, Raphael & Donatello are all dead…
@JMEL1738
8 минут бұрын
Hey is it possible that we are looking at the picture a little off. The picture shows outside the heavens and a bit of the gold don't even show anything. So maybe that's the borders of a universe.
@daimadx7211
5 сағат бұрын
In my opinion the 3 worlds inside the demon realm are connected to the 12 universes, each demon world is connected to 4 universes, for example the first one is connected to the 4 first universes ane the second world (which seems like planet namek from the opening is connected to the unuverses from 5 to 8 ...
@digunder14
12 сағат бұрын
or 4, toriyama changed his mind while writing diama
@Geekdom101
9 сағат бұрын
yes lmao!!
@vendettabout2runup347
4 сағат бұрын
They definitely setting up Zalama
@bazb7838
6 сағат бұрын
Should the have to use that way to pass to other universes because his that the supreme ki brother where isnt he able to teleport anywhere in an instant?
@tonyyoung5699
9 сағат бұрын
So if someone wishes to navigate through universes they dont necessarily need the universal transport cube guided by an angel that was shown in the U6 Vs U7 arc?
@andreffrosa
5 сағат бұрын
What if both theories are true, with the deamon realm being separate from the other universes, like the zeno world, but each universe having a "bridge"/intersection with it, which is where the portal fish is located. So that would still be inside the deamon realm. That would tie in with Toriyama's drawing, with the demon realm at the tip. The fish could also have been placed there when the traveling was forbidden.
@kellyblack2010
34 минут бұрын
Is it possible that the demon realm is one of those… long “distroyed “ universes that actually got turned into the demon realm and separated from the main universes ..and maybe there is a demon distroyer that is revealed later in diama that Goku fights…which would explain why he thought beerus was evil at first glance 😅 . It would make a bit of sense especially with vegeta also remembering who he is. If super comes back they could easily just do a filler episode that connects the two points
@EmperorLofi
12 сағат бұрын
It would be fire if neva was the final villain and it would also be a homage to king piccolo
@ChiChiLand299
12 сағат бұрын
Wait where do you get trunks birthday is in November? I've always seen that it was June 1st? Also it would be nice if there was just one demon realm that's connected to all the universes instead of there being a dozen demon realms
@unrealasta1276
13 сағат бұрын
Has nobody realised that in the intro Deboras brother is shown
@Mandalore_ultimate
12 сағат бұрын
That's his father Abura who was mentioned in Episode 1 of Daima
@carlosdcpcg
12 сағат бұрын
@unrealasta1276 that's his Daddy bruh.
@RexAngels
12 сағат бұрын
2:56 Idc what anybody thinks or says. That's a depiction of a flat earth map. And now I'm starting to wonder if Akira toriyama was a believer of flat earth?
@gerrycrisandy2425
7 сағат бұрын
How tf did you come up with flat earth when the planet is clearly depicted as a sphere there? What looks like a relatively flat cloud there is the afterlife with King Enma’s palace sitting on top.
@robocop.thebot707
50 минут бұрын
3:40 Toriyama def forgot lol
@guilhermefernandes5292
3 сағат бұрын
The fish said: “so you are going to the outside world, which universe?” Than they say: “universe 7” and than “what number in universe 7?”
@puneetdabral52
8 сағат бұрын
@7:37, how about this theory. The demon world is vast and connected to each universe at the end. So what Toriyama drew was a fraction of the actual demon "universe".
@brookebarnes3772
9 сағат бұрын
Please do a timeline I think it would be interesting. Thank you.
@ArmondFletcher
10 сағат бұрын
It would be cool if the demon realm was so large it expanded across all universes and since they have beings with incredible hacks like the namekians with their dragon balls and wishes that they would be closed off from the main stream universes to maintain balance and order. Hence the The Gods of destruction and Kai’s. Wouldn’t be surprised if some of the techniques came from that realm. Probably seemed like a taboo realm to let exist with the rest of the universe.
@screamtwice
2 сағат бұрын
Hmm, Demon realm has one king and one Kai, and that Kai is the brother of Universe 7's Kai, so perhaps this Demon realm is tied to only Universe 7, and then there might be other Demon realms for each Universe, hmmmm.
@ericwiesel89
2 сағат бұрын
It could be that universes 6 and 7 share a demon realm because they are twin universes. Maybe all twin universes have one they they share between each pair respectively
@jromer0
4 сағат бұрын
Please do a video of the timeline a lot of people still are confused or some think this is another side story that doesn’t connect etc
@DaOneKingCal
9 сағат бұрын
My theory is the demon realm is actually a gateway that was created using the third eye being that saying having a third eye suppose giving you access to see all things so that’s why it’s able to access all universe but maybe abura was killed by a certain faction to protect it from being misused let me know what you think geekdom oh and I’m not an expert on third eye and lore behind it but I have feeling I could be right
@sufisufian7747
3 сағат бұрын
Geekdom.. What if Supreme Kai Of Time will be introduced in DBD? Chronoa will be retcon.. maybe Toki-Toki will be reveal?
@Gaming_Hub_UK
12 сағат бұрын
Awesome stuff
@AhlulAkbar2024
11 сағат бұрын
2:43 just speculation meybe every universe have makai = demon realm but In daima they use daimakai = great demon realm, that why daimakai outside every universe
@Geekdom101
9 сағат бұрын
Daimakai and Makai are the same in DB. Toriyama has not said this.
@TheJadeFist
12 сағат бұрын
I want to know about the fact there were said to be 3 demon realms, are they like parallel multiverses to each other? or meta-physically layered or physically connected? How big is this demon realm? Also in Dragonball there were some demons that came from there, or Goku went there (I can't remember, it's been a while since I've watched the og dragonball) but all we ever saw was like some underground complex.
@1n0A
8 сағат бұрын
Does the Oracle fish come from the same space?
@erniefigueroa20
6 сағат бұрын
Forget about the Demon World. We now know the pin for multiverse travel in Dragon Ball…0493
@Slayer_fortnitegamer
10 сағат бұрын
Does this mean universes 7 and 6 Nemkins are related
@BlazerRox
12 сағат бұрын
Monaka has pointed ears and is clearly from the nipple demon realm
@daimadx7211
5 сағат бұрын
WE should have an answer to this in the future, because WE dont know when Zeno erase a universe, the démon realm will also be erased with thé universe or no
@akumazusfusion8368
11 сағат бұрын
Make a video about the time rings after this series
What is jirens parents got killed by daburas father with the third eye
@LordFoxxyFoxington
3 сағат бұрын
Here's my question, are Frieza and his race also demons?
@bobbynolastname3119
9 сағат бұрын
timeline video please
@TheCoachBee
12 сағат бұрын
Gomah looks like a Demon Realm pride trooper lmao
@royalt4580
6 сағат бұрын
I don't think this is a retcon. There are 12 demon realms each to their own universes and all of demon realm's inhabitants are forbidden to leave their realm. Hence there are these access points that are guarded by these fish like gate keepers. Just like we saw that supreme kais and gods of destructions can travel from one universe to another, which indicates that all universes have similar structures to universe 7 that also includes their own demon realm. Since dragon ball is a story of Goku and universe 7 then obviously the primary focus will be universe 7. Thus the demon realm of universe 7 is in focus. This does not contradict the previous design of what toriyama has done. Infact it supports it even more.
@round1.
12 сағат бұрын
So where did the namekians from universe 6 came from? That’s the real question
@datboirb
4 сағат бұрын
Its slightly confusing. He said universe 7 and the fish asked or said something about universe 3
@NukeA6
11 сағат бұрын
Make a video of the timeline. Please.
@Geekdom101
9 сағат бұрын
You think so?
@YoshMonsterGaming
12 сағат бұрын
I hope it's universe 7 only cause there would be no reason the demon realm would freak out about only universe 7 having powerful characters
@shadowspringtrap3122
9 сағат бұрын
If you mean Demon Realm is on Universe 7 only then I don't agree, because of Jiren's master dying by a demon.
@marthouismcmiller4787
4 сағат бұрын
Universe 7 is the strongest universe the top should’ve showed you that. everybody else other than universe 6 & jirens universe was jobbers
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