Hey legends, The full interview kzitem.info/news/bejne/16qkr4pvqHdqpKw
@tropicsalt.
7 ай бұрын
I was wondering that. Thanks.
@jaredrichards7094
7 ай бұрын
Patiently waiting! Pray for both sides...
@solinvictus7582
7 ай бұрын
Becoming a little bit one sided lately aren't ya mate? only see you shitting on one side here despite the fact both sides do the same thing.
@Kredefjeset
7 ай бұрын
@@jaredrichards7094I pray for your mom. You should have seen the drone i sent up her legs. It was no surrender there..
@miyagimojo
7 ай бұрын
Cool. Thought you got censored
@griffinsalmon5798
7 ай бұрын
Saw a video on funker530 of an unarmed chechen soldier being harassed by a ukrainian drone. he tries to surrender multiple times, and then goes as far as to beg and pray for his life. No recognition for the laws of war or mercy was shown to him, the drone was following him for minutes, the operators knew he was unarmed, they knew he was surrenderinf and they killed anyway.
@venator5
7 ай бұрын
@@Ray-555 Or maybe just opening up his mind about reality and not turning away not giving a fuck about what kind of persons the west supports. There is a reason why the russians hate azov and western mercenaries to the bone. One point to note the good old habit of western forces regarding the wwII era body part collecting for throphies is returned.
@terminaltom1662
3 ай бұрын
@@AndreAKAua torturing POWs huh? Sounds like BABIES ON BAYONETS to me.... anybody can make a claim like that so why not STFU
@Availbillity
7 ай бұрын
Willy, probably the only person to point the absolute disregard for incapacitated soldiers lifes. This war is fucking horrible.
@solinvictus7582
7 ай бұрын
lol you think other wars were any different when it came down to it? just didnt have drones filming everything..
@terjeoseberg990
7 ай бұрын
They might be unarmed now, and they might be willing to surrender because they are unarmed and they don’t like the alternative. If they aren’t dealt with now, they’ll obviously become a problem later. They obviously needs to be dealt with now.
@terjeoseberg990
7 ай бұрын
If it’s so horrible, maybe the Russians should head back home.
@iVETAnsolini
7 ай бұрын
Obviously your scared of your own shadow
@Availbillity
7 ай бұрын
????????????@@iVETAnsolini
@mercb3ast
7 ай бұрын
I think the argument about WW2 and sometimes the rules go out the window is the best argument for upholding the standards that have been set by international laws/treaties. Violence begets violence, and if you don't establish some sort of normalized set of rules, you end up with the Eastern Front of WW2, where the combat devolved into unmitigated savagery. The Germans came in and did horrific things, and in retaliation, the Soviets did horrific things back, and Franz hears that the Soviets brutalized his best friends, then takes it to a new level. Then Igor hears what Franz's unit did, and Igor and his unit take the violence to an even higher level. In the end, Germany's chickens came home to roost. They went into the USSR, and undertook a campaign of genocide and rape, and then they got steamrolled, and what happened in Germany after the USSR kicked their teeth in? If there is ANYWHERE the Golden Rule should apply, it is warfare.
@knokkeldoom
7 ай бұрын
Well to be fair to the soviets, the occupation of germany was extremely mild. Still almost 2 million women were raped, and POW camps were horrific, but unlike the germans they didnt commit mass genocide on the local population.
@dalyxia
7 ай бұрын
@@knokkeldoomif you set the bar that low, then Ukraine isn't doing anything "wrong"
@aei7129
7 ай бұрын
The Germans killed the most Soviet captured soldiers by any means in the world. Literally millions. If they had not done this, the Soviets would not have fought to the death. One of the factors why Hitler lost was because he treated the Slavs as untermensch.
@chpet1655
7 ай бұрын
@@knokkeldoomit was not mild it was a humanitarian disaster we never saw again until recently (with maybe the exception of the 1947 India-Pakistan partition) they did murder so many pows and people that just didn’t move west fast enough. We can’t total up the numbers because there’s no way to count. My own mother saw with her own eyes hundreds of men and boys machine gunned into a ditch. 100s ! Just casually in around June or July 1945, so this is well after the war.and just on that day in that one spot. Now assume that that same scenario was repeated over and over everyday in every town at every cross roads for months after the war and you can get a better idea. Was it the same number as the Germans did to the Russians maybe not but also factor in that it wasn’t just Germans killing Russians it was Ukrainians and other Russians murdering Jews and other Russians. Everyone knew who as doing the killing in occupied USSR. Those guys had already been dealt with by advancing Soviet troops and NKVD units.
@SpinBuster2024
7 ай бұрын
Is there anyone really who would even compare Nazi occupation to Soviet occupation? And if there is, than lets crunch the numbers, what was the combined number of people in the world who died as a result of WW2/Nazi occupation between 1939 and 1945 and the number of people who died as a direct result of Soviet "occupation" between 1945 and 1991. We are not counting Stalin's bloody reign before 1939, he killed nearly as many Soviet people as Hitler did, and we all know he was evil, he definitely wasn't Russian, he was Georgian, and was immediately condemned after his death. But leaving Stalin aside, if anyone can even compare Soviets to Nazis, they gotta be either twisted in their head or down with the Nazi. The Golden Rule of warfare is peace. Its funny how all of us humans always pretend to be all civil and shit, preaching freedom and democracy, empathy and inclusion, but as soon as given a chance, turn into blood-thirsty bunch of barbarians, some trying to cut each others throats while other drooling over the sights of it like they did back in the Coliseum. And then you think that fucking 2000 years has passed but not a bloody thing has changed
@neues3691
7 ай бұрын
War crimes don't matter in the real world. If you win nobody is going to charge you, if you loose you have bigger problems to worry about. International law is mostly a front the big players try to use to justify their plays, nobody follows it when it comes down to it.
@ArchesBro
7 ай бұрын
The victors write the history books and the losers are dead. Reminds me of Starship Troopers which is a parody on fascism. It is true though
@benjamintherogue2421
7 ай бұрын
Except it does matter. The resentment and damage it causes to both sides lingers on and poisons the soul, and that soul carries it back to his community when he returns. The knock-on effects and ripples from that extend out into a nation's spirit. War crimes as a concept came about because there were some very observant people with the proper value system around who saw it for the damage such things do.
@benjamintherogue2421
7 ай бұрын
@@ArchesBro All of that is wrong. Historians write history, not simply the victors. Otherwise the US wouldn't have so many revisionist historians running around trying to say Columbus was a cannibal genociding everyone out of existence. Second, Starship Troopers wasn't a parody of Fascism. The director said that was his intent, but the movie managed to not have any Fascism in it at all. Thankfully the writer of the movie had a better idea than the director.
@neues3691
7 ай бұрын
@@benjamintherogue2421That's a lot of hippie bullshit. People hate each other anyways if they wage war. That's life.
@terjeoseberg990
7 ай бұрын
@@benjamintherogue2421, Columbus wasn’t a good person, but he wasn’t a canibal. You’re obviously a fool.
@paulprior9875
7 ай бұрын
100% with you guys on this. The drone executions of soldiers surrendering or injured and no longer combatants is appalling.
@wwiking8055
7 ай бұрын
You can't surrender to a drone, if the drones wouldn't bomb people who surrender then everyone would just throw their hands in the air everytime a drone appears and continue fighting when it leaves. Most of the injured are still capable of shooting, or are in a group where there are combatants capable of fighting.
@r6201sk
7 ай бұрын
All comes down to how do you know somebody is injured in a way he cant fight. Some cases are pretty clear but if you have you soldiers in the same trench how light the injury must be so you know he cant throw grenade 7 meters into the trench or shoot burst at them. So that would be case by case with decision put on 20 years old kid that has seconds or few minutes to decide. Second thing is how do you separate fake surrendering from real one. Would be pretty easy every time you hear drone to put hands up, wait for drone battery to die and than continue. Id say ban those drones but that is not realistic.
@fran87blacon
7 ай бұрын
@@wwiking8055braindead take!
@wwiking8055
7 ай бұрын
@@fran87blacon it's the correct take and everyone in high positions agrees with me. If these drone kills were actually bad then there would be something done about them. But they're not, so stop crying.
@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn
7 ай бұрын
@@fran87blaconno it’s not. The moment the drone flies away you can just put your arms back down and grab a rifle. How is this a brain dead take? There have been limited examples of people surrendering but if a wounded soldier is laying in the grey zone are you going to just wait for him to be evacuated or risk your own life putting yourself in a no go zone to accept his surrender? It makes sense logically to destroy the threat. Just saying logically I can understand this behavior but of course it hurts my feels
@dawg929
7 ай бұрын
You grew on me. You used to blow one sided propaganda. Now you are moving into independent status. Respect🙏
@Uberlei_
7 ай бұрын
Yeah he's getting there... it'll take a while but maybe he'll realise how much propaganda he swallowed and how much we all grew up with that still skews our view of the world and armed conflict.
@bik3r230
7 ай бұрын
ruzzian shill
@ArchimedeanEye
7 ай бұрын
@@Uberlei_ He still mentions 'a conflict with China' every video now, lol
@slotxz9859
7 ай бұрын
@@ArchimedeanEye because Australia is vulnerable and he loves aus if you have a brain in aus u should be concerned
@VisaJ
7 ай бұрын
@@ArchimedeanEye Maybe because it's the only real scenario for Australia
@AWanderingEye
6 ай бұрын
Another beauty of that drone is it can tell with extreme accuracy the location of the surrendering forces. So even if there isn't a gurney within 10 yards they at least know that person's position and can send help to that location. The drone having video capabilities makes me wonder if it also has audio as in loudspeaker capabilities? The soldier appears to be trapped beneath the tank but conscious. The drone (if so equipped) could have hung around and communicated with the wounded until help arrived. Or, it could have flown off and continued in combat with other soldiers encroaching upon the disabled tank/soldier. But as you say, these are weapons of war not primarily for investigation/retrieval/communication purposes. It may be that the drone operator had been at their shift for 20+ hours and inadvertently pressed the drop bomb button when his mind was under duress. One thing is for sure: One day we will know and someone will be held accountable.
@LambofSuffering
7 ай бұрын
Good that your not one-sided and pointing out Ukranian war crimes aswell. ( of witch there are many! )
@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn
7 ай бұрын
From what I gather the 3rd Azov doesn’t have a history of treating Russians well so Russians are a lot less likely to take them prisoner. I’m sure it goes the other way around too
@kremepye3613
7 ай бұрын
7:25 in Normandy in WW2, I've read about many instances of surrendered german troops being executed by paratroopers as there was no way to get them back to allied lines.
@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv
7 ай бұрын
Completely different though to some guy in a position or trench controlled by friendly forces playing an iPad game blowing up enemy combatants irl then a bunch of paratroopers dropping into enemy controlled territory with no support right behind them and a critical mission that needs to be done or a lot more people would have died the next day then what died as it was
@kell7195
7 ай бұрын
The Allies committed vast numbers of War Crimes in WWII you just dont hear about them because they won the War, look up the fire bombing of Dresden civilian city no military presence just for the sake of it and 300,000 civilians burnt to ash.
@loganpro101
7 ай бұрын
@@Jackmonkey66666hghinnvwhy should Ukraine care? Russia does the same thing. Ukraine is trying to win. Why would they cripple themselves in war to make keyboard warriors happy?
@tordsgaming2740
7 ай бұрын
Has nothing to do with that. If the enemy knows they can't surrender they will fight to the death, and will be even more brutal against injured or surrendering ukranian soldiers.
@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv
7 ай бұрын
@@loganpro101 first of all I wasn’t being a keyboard warrior I was just pointing out the obvious differences between the two the op mentioned. Secondly they don’t care and don’t have to care about what I or majority of other people think as long as America keeps supplying them aid for the war effort pretty obvious they don’t give a single f*** what anyone on the internet thinks lol and fair enough I don’t blame them just saying it how I see it.
@evgeniya7853
7 ай бұрын
Disregard for war crimes and confidence in their right to commit these crimes is the calling card and crown feature of the Anglo-Saxons (USA and Britain). What they have successfully taught all their satellites (NATO)
@josephmchale6796
7 ай бұрын
Glad you’re bringing awareness to this issue Willy, the fact that they’re unscrupulously publishing such videos just illustrates how polarised this conflict has become, sadly the war for public opinion doesn’t allow for scrutiny.
@benjamintherogue2421
7 ай бұрын
I'm glad to see this covering the behavior of both sides. The fight out there has had more than enough unnecessary brutality from both Russia and Ukraine, but I'm tired of the Western media only discussing one side of it. We need to know about it happening on both sides or else it's just going to get worse. We have rules for war for practical reasons as much as we do for moral and ethical reasons. For example, killing the wounded or those surrendering means the enemy is going to fight all the harder to not lose because they know there's no escape if they lose. If you show you're willing to accept surrender and you don't abuse them, you're a lot more likely to collapse an area of resistance if they believe they can actually escape it alive by surrendering to you. That's just one practical reason to not do this stuff. The second is expending resources on someone you don't need to. But on the morality side of things, there's not going to be much left of you after the war if you commit these acts.
@mnk9073
7 ай бұрын
Fidel Castro perfected the "catch and release"-tactic if you will. He made it a point to send all regime captives (with the exception of notorious officers) home after stripping them of their arms and medical supplies, had the wounded patched up and gave them food rations for their journey back. This resulted in the troops basically folding as soon as an ambush was sprung knowing full well that they just got to leave their gear and can be home for dinner. The Guerrillas essentially got Batista to supply them while winning hearts and minds with the grunts to an extent that they sooner or later defected and joined the revolution.
@dancingbabybins
7 ай бұрын
K but Russians have been executing guys who have surrendered to the Russians "In Person" and unarmed. There's way more evidence of Russians being a force that you "Cannot" surrender too because they don't take POWs
@frederickphelaniii3733
7 ай бұрын
Brilliantly stated
@benjamintherogue2421
7 ай бұрын
@@mnk9073 It's just unfortunate that as soon as he was in power he very quickly lost any sense of mercy or morality.
@facilegoose9347
7 ай бұрын
1. Holodomor (and now its centennial) 2. Genocidal policies of aggressor. 3. Genocidal incitement rhetoric of government officials & state media figures. 4. Systematic torture of civilians & POWs. 5. human shield use of POWs (recent plane incident). 6. Not accepting prisoner exchanges to compound combat power & replenishment disparity. 7. Callous disregard for their own wounded or CASEVAC for them. 8. Removing presidential candidates (Duntsova) by intimidation & worse (that ex-prisoner). Abrogate war conduct treaties as SOP = _no holds barred._ Genocidal Aggressor = quarter given _at defenders discretion._ Abstract niceties of post-christian Europe's laws of war are a significant element in the self-deterrence that hung Ukraine - and is hanging - Ukraine out to dry. The justice being discussed in this litigious context is a _luxury good_ with no concrete reality or bearing on the conduct of the war or necessities required to punish the heinous actions of the cut & dried aggressor. The Nuremberg Code & Geneva Convention were _written by the victors:_ this isn't the time to be putting the cart before the war horse.
@JUST_A_GUY835
7 ай бұрын
Both sides need to agree to non combative litter teams wearing blaze orange and blaze orange marked unarmed retrieval vehicles......in a perfect world that would be great.😢
@mnk9073
7 ай бұрын
Combatants agreeing to temporary seize fires to collect their dead and wounded from the battle field is as old as warfare itself, if the Trojans and the Acheans can be this civil then so can the Russians and the Ukrainians...
@rusty8992
7 ай бұрын
How do you know that wounded soldier was not committing perfidy, merely to escape being killed by a drone, so he can escape, wounded or not?
@AWanderingEye
6 ай бұрын
Which side would you prefer the drone operator to err on assuming you were in same/similar situation?
@rusty8992
6 ай бұрын
@@AWanderingEye I'd drop the grenade - can't trust the Ruskis.
@65thebluehawk
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for addressing this Willy. Someone had to say it eventually.
@DominicFlynn
7 ай бұрын
Kudos for going out there to get some expert commentary.
@CrowdCooler1445
7 ай бұрын
Its about the perception of the enemy. In WW2 the combat on the Eastern Front, on the Western Front and in the Pacific were very much different in terms of how one army treats the wounded/captured enemy soldiers. US vs Germans was different than US vs Japanese, for instance. In the Ukraine war, what are the names that UA gives Russians? Orcs, fertilizer, meat... How Russians call Ukrainians? Hohols, Banderas, Neonazis... When you dont consider the enemy to be a human being, you destroy it.
@tutzdesYT
7 ай бұрын
>>what are the names There is a difference. Ukrainian names for Russians are dehumanizing. Russian names for Ukrainians are not. Hohol - is a very old mildly impolite designation for Ukrainian locals. For Russian locals the equivalent is Katsap which is not often used by Ukrainians now bc it is not offensive enough. It is more a slang designation for an ethnicity like Fritz or Jerry than something dehumanizing. Banderite just means a follower of Bandera. In current Ukraine he is considered a hero and there places named after him. If you call Communist a Leninite he won't be too opposed to that, don't you think? The last word is about ideology. While not every Ukrainian is a nn, some are. It is not considered something bad in current Ukraine and a lot of actual n-people are praised as heroes (Bandera was an actual n). So it should not be even offensive for Ukrainians who support their current government. Even in Russian media the last two terms are not used towards all Ukrainians but only towards people, who serve in particular battalions, wear very specific heraldry and are members of certain political movements. In Ukrainian propaganda Russians are genocidal subhumans. In Russian propaganda Ukrainians are Russians, indoctrinated by the West.
@HNH421
7 ай бұрын
@@tutzdesYT Country 404 Sounds a bit dehumanising to me - if not mildly genocidal
@borincod
7 ай бұрын
@@HNH421 how is it? If I call your house a filthy shack, or I point out you have no house at all, does it mean that I dehumanize you and wish you to cease existing?
@tutzdesYT
7 ай бұрын
@@HNH421Country 404 means basically "not a country". Having no country does NOT mean not being human. Jews lacked a country for a long time, Kurds still do not. Some ethnicities never will. But they are people and the absence of their own state did not make them less human in the eyes of normal people. In fact, a lot of old ex-soviet people feel almost that way. "Their" country no longer exists and the country they live now does not feel like truly theirs. Genocidal and dehumanizing is always towards PEOPLE. You can hate the regime or a state, but if you do not hate (or try to exterminate) the people it is not dehumanizing or genocidal.
@poki580
7 ай бұрын
@@tutzdesYTno one dehumanized ukrainians quite as successfully as ukrainian propaganda did
@morgothastartes
7 ай бұрын
There are videos of both sides surrendering to drones.
@qaseemabdii2591
7 ай бұрын
Shovels and washing machines made all the difference this is why Russia is winning the war 🤫🤫🤫
@BalloonInTheBalloon
7 ай бұрын
Thank you Willy for staying humane. This is a very important topic.
@HisDudeness2023
7 ай бұрын
There is a factor that I think you may have touched on, but is worth boring into. I only realized what I’m about to discuss about 15 years after I got out of the military. When you’re in a group in the military, you tend to do a lot of unusual and dangerous things. At the time you were doing this, the group is doing this, so you don’t think twice. You get into group think, and perceive what you’re doing as normal. However, it’s the furthest thing from normal. My point is group think causes one to do things that you would never do with a clear head without peer pressure. Not necessarily in your face, peer pressure, rather severe group think. This affects all military personnel in the field that actually have a risk not REMF. Rear echelon mother fers. Anytime you get a good advice from people of actually not been in the crap. You gotta take it with a lot of skepticism. Specifically about the practicality of what they are recommending.
@zelosmiman5533
7 ай бұрын
As I said many times, I really like your coverage because you are probbably the only person who cares about ethics and the value of human lives on both sides of the front, unlike many others who view this terrible ordeal as a fkin football match.
@av8419
7 ай бұрын
Lets be honest , nobody cares at this point. And it truly shows how ugly and crippled our society really is.
@uchannel1197
7 ай бұрын
what is not being discuss is forcing Ukrainians to participate in the war at gun point while the son of Zelensky is not being required to serve Ukrainian Military.
@whiggins101
7 ай бұрын
His son is a child. What is wrong with you?
@JustChill-zd4ib
7 ай бұрын
Foolish statement based on naivete and lack of awareness for such phenomena as nepotism.
@Princip666
7 ай бұрын
How about the legality of US interfering in UA affairs, toppling democraticaly elected government and installing a regime, which immediately used armed forces against their own citizens who did not agree with them?
@Balthorium
7 ай бұрын
The original government shot the protesters, and then disappeared. Then the separatist attacked after they stole tanks and weapons from museums. They love waving USSR flags and Stalin.
@BenjySparky
7 ай бұрын
G'day Legend, Willy! Peace
@shakahara4130
7 ай бұрын
the amount of war crimes i've seen from both sides by drones is crazy
@brunothepug8807
7 ай бұрын
Willy, you said it directly, no none is holding forces to account for these actions. Given the rate that casualties are happening in both sides, I doubt seriously if either side's reserves come to the fight with any training at all in rules of engagement. I have seen both sides going after ambulances, casualties being exchanged for transport and disregard for civilians or directly targeting civilians.
@vangoghsseveredear
7 ай бұрын
Drones are the worst thing to ever happen to war, to be honest. Now a guy miles away can see you before you see him, and drop a grenade on you and your friends with pinpoint accuracy and you cant do a thing about it. And its not like artillery where theres a decent chance theyll miss, or if you do get hit, at least its instant. Its just a hand grenade, so odds of a quick death are much lower. Id never be a soldier today knowing this is the future of warfare. It feels much more brutal and dirty, somehow.
@lost4468yt
6 ай бұрын
You could already do that, and more effectively with missiles etc. It's the stupidly low cost, size, and operator experience that are so different. There's tanks being taken out with
@melanieenmats
7 ай бұрын
Brave report. Ground breaking in fact as I haven't heard this discussed anywhere. Very humane also to take this approach.
@wren2900
7 ай бұрын
Ukranians started all this autocracies. Russians later started to take revenge
@JosephGibson
7 ай бұрын
sadly, thats missed on the masses. I saw it Live when russia crossed. I saw it from 2014.
@wwiking8055
7 ай бұрын
Like in Butsa?
@santoaltieri7663
7 ай бұрын
If a casualty is in the field, with good recon of your positions, and has a radio in his hand or on his person to call in fire, is he as combat effective as if he had a rifle in his shoulder?
@alekmdjl2
7 ай бұрын
I would say so. He could call in strikes and wipe a whole position. Some people surrendering also hide grenades and pull the pin last second to take as many as they can with them (multiple examples caught on video). Way too many grey areas.
@williammorris584
7 ай бұрын
It’s preferable to accept surrenders, treat the captured decently, and publicize the fact, since it dissuades enemy troops for fighting out desperate situations. But the historical reality is that it is rare for individual soldiers to survive an attempt to surrender in an area of active combat.
@fimi-lj4yp
6 ай бұрын
Surrendering to a drone is no different than surrendering to an apache attack helicopter.
@k2svpete
7 ай бұрын
Willie, excellent content and I'm looking forward to the rest of the podcast. Like you, this deliberate targeting of wounded and surrendering troops is abhorrent. And it's not just drone related. Garand Thumb has recently put a video up of lessons learned in Ukraine from a UK & US pair of former soldiers who have been fighting over there. They openly admit to killing surrendering troops when doing tench raids.
@Strategy_Analysis
7 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks Willy.
@davidfrench507
7 ай бұрын
Ok, you guys. The laws set by the Geneva convention are not followed by the enemy, as in what is going on in Israel and other conflict areas. The enemy uses these rules against us... The question needs to be fully discussed. Rules are there to help, but the enemy will always use that against you.. ex artillery ol mate, so in my view I didn't see the enemy I just followed orders.
@Tom_Quixote
7 ай бұрын
Israel has been a country of war criminals for 75 years.
@benjamintherogue2421
7 ай бұрын
The rules aren't there simply to protect the enemy. They're there to protect us from what we could become.
@chesteredgewater3951
7 ай бұрын
@benjamintherogue2421 become? you trying to end each other lives.
@watch.v-dQw4w9WgXcQ
4 ай бұрын
@@chesteredgewater3951the rules keep us from covering the entire planet in Nerve Agents and Nuclear detonations
@socialnetworking4782
7 ай бұрын
been saying this from the start. untrained/undisciplined troops will behave like this.
@SpinBuster2024
7 ай бұрын
In modern warfare, when special operations are conducted, when multiple units of infantry, artillery, air & drone units are involved in a time-synchronized fashion, when even a second of delay by any individual unit can compromise both, safety of personnel and mission outcome, the only chance to surrender may be when they offer you to surrender either by screaming or using intercoms, issuing warnings, dropping leaflets... bottom line is that in certain cases, surrender option is time sensitive and if ignored, after assault begins, all bets are off, and if any surrendering takes place is discretionary decisions made by individual units based on operational feasibility and can not be held against the assaulting force, that given the surrender option prior to execution of the assault. Am I correct here? Otherwise, if operators would have to react and interrupt the mission if the enemy soldiers decide o drop weapons split seconds before shots fired, after ignoring initial call to surrender, this can be exploited by the enemy as a tactic that is a part of larger strategy designed to distract, de-synchronize, or compromise the assault mission in any number of premeditated ways. Am I somewhat correct or not even close??
@daroniussubdeviant3869
7 ай бұрын
i was always under the impression that the surrender had to be accepted. it is down to individual choice to accept the surrender or not. once accepted then they fall under the law that the winning side uses.
@SpinBuster2024
7 ай бұрын
@@daroniussubdeviant3869 that makes a lot of sense, precisely what I was thinking... but it seems that nowadays both sides are trying to use whatever in- or out-of-context [video] evidence to politicize the issue rather than to worry about any laws or their implementation
@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv
7 ай бұрын
@@daroniussubdeviant3869 an unarmed soldier with hands up is not to be harmed in any manner legally
@vic1ous511
7 ай бұрын
@@daroniussubdeviant3869if 10 guys fight 2 stragglers then sure, but if the battlefield is 10k vs 2k guys and if 500 of those want to surrender how can that happen, I mean not only that the attempt to capture is risky but also there's a good chance that someone of the remaining 1500 might deliberately shot at a "deserter" to prevent information delivery or "betrayal". Or heck what if a long range missile is delivered on the ones that attempt to do the encirclement and capture Also there are stories of guys blowing themselves up to "take on" several soldiers from the opponent, etc. TLDR = It's easier said than done, and if anything It's getting worse and worse and harder and harder The 2 biggest factors are order of magnitude/size of a battle and technology tbh
@daroniussubdeviant3869
7 ай бұрын
legal by what law and under what jurisdiction? the whole point of war is to enforce your jurisdiction over another. this is why the winner can never commit a war crime. war crime is only for losers.@@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv
@Saint_Sigil
7 ай бұрын
Это конечно хорошо, соблюдать правила, договоренности и т.д. Вот вам реальный случай из херсонской области - бабушка лет 70 дала парного отравленного молока нашим парням, после чего 7 из них умерло. На мой взгляд после такого её следовало убить, но командование решило её сдать военной полиции. Был один дед, который наводил артиллерию противника на наши штабы (Узнали об этом когда изъяли телефон и посмотрели его СМС). Тоже отдали его военной полиции. Украинские дроны постоянно скидывали ВОГи на группу эвакуации (5 пехотинцев, 4 несут носилки и 1 раненый), артиллерия обстреливала перекресток где мы собирали раненых для эвакуации, 155мм снаряд попал прямо в капонир 17 раненых парней ждущих БТР на эвакуацию погибло. Когда мы штурмовали окопы, то уже знали как Украина ведет войну. Глядя на видео где кто-то расстреливает сдающихся нужно понимать что было перед этим, нужно учитывать что почти у каждого на груди есть граната с разогнутой скобой. Также учитывайте что штурм идет малыми группами, кто будет вести пленных или присматривать за ними. Каждый решает за себя - хочешь рискнуть своей жизнью и жизнью товарищей в красной зоне или закончить боевую задачу.
@wwiking8055
7 ай бұрын
None of this would have happened if you didn't invade. Start a war then cry about being killed. Russian irony.
@Saint_Sigil
7 ай бұрын
@@wwiking8055 Я не плачу что убивают, я говорю что нет ничего особенного когда украинские или российские военные расстреливают людей с поднятыми руками. Это сопутствующий ущерб.
@ldkbudda4176
7 ай бұрын
@@Saint_Sigil Это же 'адин нарот', ёпта! ;)
@ivan200804
7 ай бұрын
@@wwiking8055@wwiking8055 It's an invasion in the West. Russia considers these lands historical Russian lands. From their point, it's a war of liberation from NATO puppets. Alos it was Banderites who started killing Russians in Donbas.
@vangoghsseveredear
7 ай бұрын
I think thats the point, though. When you answer brutality or war crimes with war crimes it becomes a slippery slope where both sides become more and more brutal, and its the poor bastards on the ground who get the brunt of it. Neither Russian nor Ukraine soldiers deserve some of the crazy stuff thats happening.
@bettysteve322716
7 ай бұрын
As a member of the Glorious Yaktish ARMY, wounded in battle with Australian forces, (Sergeants training course), and looking forward to being stretchered off the field, to have their RSM tell them "shoot the (wounded) prisoner." was shattering to say the least. Maybe we should clean up our OWN act first before pointing fingers at anyone else's ARMY?!
@igoravonich2013
7 ай бұрын
Seems like I got my comment deleted. It must've been too spicy.
@Corsa15DT
7 ай бұрын
Whoever invented the kamikaze drones has special place in hell
@EpFiDude
7 ай бұрын
There is a huge problem with your argument, and that is, that it is so easy to exploit your proposed rules to give the other side a big advantage. If I can surrender even though I cannot be captured, I can just throw my weapon away and raise my hands as soon as I see a drone. What then? I clearly won't be captured, so I just walk back to a strategic position, where I can hide until the threat is no longer present. With wounded the same problem applies. We see russian soldiers pretending to be wounded all the time, how are we going to just resolve this problem? If they can't be captured, you are basically rendering drones useless unless individuals can be captured, while the other side will obviously not uphold these types of standards.
@stevenpolkinghorn4747
7 ай бұрын
Willy I really like your channel so don’t label me an evil person for thinking this, but you haven’t fought a war like this. The world hasn’t fought a war like this since WW2. Front lines, artillery, trenches, etc. Just as a policing action or peacekeeping mission has different rules of engagement, this kind of war has different rules of engagement. Police officers have extremely different rules of engagement when they get into shootings. It would be a moral and legal crime for a police officer to shoot someone offensively, when they’re not committing a crime but maybe they just murdered someone. A police officer setting up an ambush and shooting that person, while he’s completely unaware of the officer, and without the officer giving him commands to surrender, even if he’s still armed with the murder weapon, we can all agree would be wrong. In war, it’s extremely different and that exact same scenario would be A-ok.
@benjamintherogue2421
7 ай бұрын
No. It doesn't matter. Engage in the sort of savagery it takes to murder an unarmed and defenseless man is completely different than killing him in battle. Have you been in any of this? Who are you to speak on this issue? When you have someone who is unarmed and no longer a threat, you don't murder them even in the military.
@terjeoseberg990
7 ай бұрын
@@benjamintherogue2421, If the Russians don’t like what the Ukrainians are doing to them, they could always go home.
@mofo78536
7 ай бұрын
The whole point of this is that if we don't hold our Allies accountable, then if our soldiers get droned while surrendering... We can't easily patch over the accusation by a different warring party in a different context that we are okay with because we didn't stood up for LOAC.
@benjamintherogue2421
7 ай бұрын
@@terjeoseberg990 And do you think acting like savages against the Russians there is going to end well for Ukraine? Throwing a violent hissy fit against someone more powerful than you who is winning only invites severe retaliation. You can fight back without becoming a monster.
@stevenpolkinghorn4747
7 ай бұрын
@@benjamintherogue2421 listen to Grand Thumbs video of guys who are in the UA foreign legion. They explicitly say there’s situations where you cannot take prisoners and head checks are required. They’ve been there for two years. They’ve seen guys their guys killed when they tried to adhere to the rules Willy is prescribing. Consider Japanese soldiers surrendering to Marines in WW2. They very often pulled out a pistol or a grenade when the Marines got close. Would you blame the marines for refusing to take prisoners? Similar situations are happening in Ukraine. I’ll admit the issue of continuing to drop ordinance on wounded prisoners via drone is questionable, but it’s emerging warfare. There are not rules and both sides are doing it. If one side stops, the other has a psychological edge that can lead to their enemy losing the will to fight. This is already happening. Unless both sides sit down and agree to stop, you cannot blame either side for doing it. On the Eastern front in WW2, they rarely took prisoners if they were anywhere near the front line or near combat. Both sides essentially agreed that no quarter would be given or expected. I.e, not a war crime.
@kostas1x2
7 ай бұрын
Committing massive war crimes and loosing the war, didn't end well in the past.
@rhyceise9000
7 ай бұрын
Last thing that anyone wants to hear is being lectured about war crimes by the US 😂
@RomanVarl
7 ай бұрын
Brilliant work m8 😊
@saltydriver3722
7 ай бұрын
War has no crime. Its fair and absolute.
@schlangen7889
7 ай бұрын
The first video is not very good, the man is seriously wounded or is near death, so it is impossible to say that he wanted to surrender, because he might not have realized what was happening around him. There is another video that fully reflects a man’s desire to surrender; he knelt down and begged while looking at the drone above him. But this did not help; they still dropped a grenade on him. There is another video where a wounded soldier is sitting, and under him in the lowland another soldier is lying with his back up (morally broken). The soldier who was sitting showed that he wanted to surrender, but they still dropped a grenade from a drone on him, and on the soldier who was lying too. It seemed like they were drones from Ukraine Russian and Ukrainian soldiers do the same, but with the Ukrainian side you see more of these things happen. And in this case, the propaganda of dehumanization of the enemy has an effect. Only an idiot would deny that Ukraine is conducting successful propaganda to dehumanize the enemy. For them, Russians are no longer people, but others: orcs, subhumans, animals, untermensch, pigs, moska - not people. They stopped seeing Russians as people because of propaganda, propaganda that has been going on since 2014. Russian propaganda also conducts propaganda to dehumanize the enemy, but it is much less aggressive. In Russia the expression “Ukrainians are our brothers” is still widely used.
@Humphreyat86
7 ай бұрын
Wow. Excellent video, Willie. I'm now thinking of these drone attacks in a completely different way. Didn't realize that targeting wounded or people rescuing wounded is a w crime.
@coolbreezy7092
7 ай бұрын
Sorry for the talk text and missed words I hope you can translate it, I can't edit for some reason!!
@WewasKangs-bd9eb
7 ай бұрын
What are we even discussing? "Our guys" can do no wrong. And "the bad guys" are responsible for everything.
@believingregardlessforever
7 ай бұрын
WW1 had stretcher-bearers who weren't meant to be killed by either side It also had UK soldiers issued red and brown hankerchiefs so they couldn't surrender....
@SpinBuster2024
7 ай бұрын
If there is no feasible way to secure the injured subject and take n custody then there is no way to determine if the subject is really surrendering or pretending or deliberately executing a tactical trick that is a part of a larger strategy
@JosephGibson
7 ай бұрын
LOL - i;ve heard it now.
@kell7195
7 ай бұрын
Im sure the Chinese are glad to hear it and will use similar logic when a Battle Drone is over your house.
@SpinBuster2024
7 ай бұрын
@@kell7195 My bad, it wasn't my opinion on the matter, I was just contemplating on the issue. I'm against any killing including application of death penalty... I was just typing a series of comments in a row and didn't realize this one came out as a statement rather than one of the premises to be considered as part of larger argument. But I hope you can see my point here, because that particular situation reflects at what point do we consider we have more obligation to a possibly injured/possibly trying to surrender possibly trying to sabotage subject that can not be fully assessed by a drone operator, and friendly units on the ground who might (or might not) be shot or blown up to pieces by the "surrendering" unit had he be pretending or simply had changed hiss mind in the last moment. And I'm just trying to find out what other people think about it, because there is a moral issue here, there's no denial of that
@Revolutionisnear1110
7 ай бұрын
Willy are you waking up mate . Ukraine are the E..emy ! Our grandparents had to deal with these things ! Russia is an angel compared to Israel and Ukraine ! 🏴🏴🇷🇺🇷🇺🙏✌️🫡
@Silent824
7 ай бұрын
Bucha.
@rdsc.455
7 ай бұрын
@Silent824 Bucha=Media
@janlamprecht9229
7 ай бұрын
Back off mate. Willy should support whotheeveverhell he wants to. As long as his reporting is objective that's all that matters.
@Silent824
7 ай бұрын
Any Russian war crime=Media @@rdsc.455
@rdsc.455
7 ай бұрын
@@Silent824No no, not any , both sides have criminals, committed many war crimes but Bucha...... Bucha was created, crafted, shot and released to the media to promote Hate.
@jamesandrews1130
7 ай бұрын
Canadian here. I am bothered by Ukrainian shelling of Donesk library. If Ukraine is short of shell. WHY
@ПетрВрангель-т8п
7 ай бұрын
Malice
@FreeFallingAir
7 ай бұрын
Great work Willy! Take care
@Tbone1492
7 ай бұрын
We can't Police. This has been going on for Century's. Humanity goes out the window
@1222dss
7 ай бұрын
I wonder when people will finally understand that there is only one rule in the world - the strongest is always right. As long as you on the winning side, u do whatever u wan to.
@elenekuprashvili1145
7 ай бұрын
You look good Happy u feel better
@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it
7 ай бұрын
So in the first video , we need to remember that in many cases russia does not always evacuate the wounded so that man could have been left there for days to bleed out or dies from dehydration is that humane ? If he was a dog and we left him there to die we would be up on cruelty charges . So how do you define a target ? The crew of the tank running away are they a target ? They are probably not armed & do not pose an immediate threat, till they get back to base & jump into another tank . Stryking a squad carrying a wounded soldier would be a war crime , but when does it not become a crime ? When they get back to their trench and pick up a weapon ? what if they had weapons on them ? I would bet every one of them had at least one grenade in the belts Now if the 4 soldiers were clearly identified as medics then there would be no doubt as to the crimes Next question is were the 4 men actually unarmed ? If a Ukrainian solder appeared in front of them would they have attacked him ? And finally we have no idea where & when those videos were taken and the circumstances at the time The russian soldiers regularly complain they they get shot by their own side when they are seen to be surrendering . Then there is how could the man under the tank be taken POW by the drone if he is injured and can not walk . Is Ukraine obliged to send a team to evacuate a wounded POW ? What happens in the heat of war is a difficult thing to police and I do not expect any soldier from either side to follow the convention to the letter . There is a big difference between a battlefield decision to finish off a wounded soldier and deliberately bombing schools , hospitals and clearly marked ambulances Then there is the emotional conflict . Do we expect a soldier who is fighting for the liberation of their own land against an enemy that has for instance raped his wife, sister or daughter or tortured a whole village to worry about ethics on the front lines I for one do not. If they were to shoot . stab or bludgeon prisoners back at base camp, that is a different thing altogether because there I would expect the solders to be dispassionate and follow the rules to the letter because they are not adrenalin pumped fighting for their lives . I find it hypocritical to the nth degree that we excuse civilians who commit very violent crimes in cities because they have temporarily become irrational due to hightened emotions but expect a soldier to suddenly become super man just because they put on some fatigues . War is dirty ugly and a blight on humanity which proves that we have not evolved one iota in 100,000 years and it is the use of words like honour & glory that rationalise it in peoples minds
@emilm8603
7 ай бұрын
Hey legends, I want to thank you for having this incredibly important discussion at such a critical point in time.
@erileka5228
7 ай бұрын
man I listened to part of your interview with soldier X on why he left Ukraine. Was looking to listening to the rest today. That video seems to have been deleted by KZitem.
@tombayless9759
7 ай бұрын
Ukraine soldiers surrender call 149.200 Volga
@ChrisLambert-Yngvegodi
7 ай бұрын
100% agree
@bruceparr1678
7 ай бұрын
Willi was mentioned once again by Simplicius. Getting famous.
@HisDudeness2023
7 ай бұрын
This was a balanced video on an important new topic. I like the angle that you used of saving lives. The panel was superb. I think you found your niche. This video you were superb at. You’ve entered a new arena of professionalism from where you have been before. Congratulations
@ns2734
7 ай бұрын
Hey I really like your channel and I think you do fair analysis. But you said something in your video a few days ago that wasn't correct or fair. The woman detained in Russia was find raising for Ukraine. Gonzalo Lira wasn't fundraising for Russia in Ukraine. He was a journalist who regardless of his viewpoint or inclinations of what what the true nature of the war was, was trying to see what the facts on the ground really were. He wasn't pro Russia simply because he didn't believe the propaganda of the western elites and the narrative they put to us. He was trying to see what was really happening. He deserves more dignity than to talked of as some petty person. Best wishes to you mate
@EntryLevelLuxury
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for talking about this. It’s disgusting how much people relish in the death-by-drone of injured combatants.
@jetserb
7 ай бұрын
Armchair warriors are the worst theyre always the bravest and the most cruel but sitting in the comdfort of their home and would 150% need diapers if they come 10 km of front line …
@wwiking8055
7 ай бұрын
In essential all of the videos the enemy is still capable of using his gun, which makes him a legitimate target.
@EntryLevelLuxury
7 ай бұрын
@@wwiking8055 yeah I don’t think that would fly in the Hague
@loganpro101
7 ай бұрын
@@EntryLevelLuxurylmfao, of course it would.
@ПетрВрангель-т8п
7 ай бұрын
@EntryLevelLuxury Specifically in The Hague - it would probably just fly perfectly. Depending on the side of the conflict, if it is committed by bandits from AFU, SS battalion or any other anti-Russian force - they would be instantly declared innocent martyrs, if a Soviet warrior-liberator, Donbass militia men or a serviceman of the modern Russian army - they would be instantly recognised as devils on earth and guilty of all the sins of history.
@ticket2space
7 ай бұрын
I definitely do not agree that they soldier cant surrender to a drone. Why not? Drones fight. Theyre operated by a human and theres a human on the other side if it doing everything. As soon as you do things like this, you become just as bad as the ones youre fighting.
@wadeevans4355
7 ай бұрын
All I can say is if I was having to fight and survive in a war like this and an enemy soldier is not dead and is not actively surrendering they are a threat and a combatant. There is definitely rules that we should apply to war but there is also a lot of gray area for these men to survive.
@venator5
7 ай бұрын
Very bad mentality.
@jorgf288
17 күн бұрын
this is the only one video without talking bullshit justifying war crimes
@syohank
7 ай бұрын
Willy sees the war crime laws and convention as an actual tool for the welfare of soldiers and civilians and humanity. The other bloke sees it as a tool to win wars to use at convenience depending on context.
@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv
7 ай бұрын
I doubt he’s as naive as you assume, he’s not dumb a lot of people know that all these laws and regulations are going to be broken depending on what it is some, would get broken more then others eg nobody is going to fire a nuke one off just to test the waters , not to mention either that you don’t have any specific soldier, given access to do that in any military and because that is far more likely to have your entire nation vaporised from the planet, then a drone killing some poor guy that wants to survive and surrender. The more people that hold those accountable that do things like this video showed the more talk about it being wrong gives everyone the best chance of avoiding this becoming the norm, and “just another one of those things” if a firm stance is taken and people are held accountable and harshly punished for it then it would happen at a significantly lower rate then if nobody cared and it was “fine” way too many people would end up dying like in the clips shown.
@syohank
7 ай бұрын
@@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv how is that contradicting what I’m saying tho? I’m not saying that’s naivety there’s deeper wisdom or more long term insight in Willy’s positioning
@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv
7 ай бұрын
@@syohank oh lol I’m stupid I totally misunderstood what you meant by that until rereading lmao my bad
@syohank
7 ай бұрын
@@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv haha I’m the same man
@oll-turny-llo8200
7 ай бұрын
This channel deserves so much more viewership. one of the only channels out there i've found that tries to be as unbiased as possible.
@cinoeye
7 ай бұрын
Military Summary, DPA, History Legends
@marko4134
7 ай бұрын
Willy mentions that there seem to be more videos of Ukrainians doing this sort of thing, yet he doesn't understand why that is. His one suggestion is that tyere must be many more Russian casualties. But the real answer is staring us all in the face. The video they showed on the right, with the drone chasing down the people carrying the wounded man is stamped with the "Svoboda" party. It's written in cyrillic, but it's right there. They advertise themselves. And what is the Svoboda party? Well, they changed their name once they started getting funding from the US State Department. Their original name was the "National Socialist Party of Ukraine". That adds some much needed context to this discussion.
@mapoch9000
7 ай бұрын
first, it's not cyrillic. second, it's not "svoboda" party, it's just word "svoboda", meaning "freedom". i don't disagree with your point, but you westerner should keep yourself from this.
@marko4134
7 ай бұрын
What???? What is wrong with you? Why would you even bother making such obviously bogus claims, that are so easy for anyone to check. Svoboda is CLEARLY written in the cyrillic alphabet in the video. It is the exact spelling, and even font that Svoboda uses on their emblems. Yes, the word means means Freedom.. But their former name is the National Social Party of Ukraine. And they still ascribe to the same ideology. That is why they post such videos and even sign them. As for westerners keeping themselves away from this.. Well, if they did then who would Zelensky go begging for money every day.
@marko4134
7 ай бұрын
Ideologies of hate thrive in darkness, and should be exposed for what they are at every opportunity.
@TheNotpc1
7 ай бұрын
This is the foundational difference between good vs evil.. Good follows the ethical and legal boundaries.. Practically this also wastes ammunition. .
@coolbreezy7092
7 ай бұрын
Did I get my comment deleted?
@eekthecat9933
7 ай бұрын
Willie Free Syrian army produced more video of battles than the Assad regime. They must have won ?
@DefensePoliticsAsia
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I had been very disturbed by these drones double tapping on injured soldiers.... I had complained about it on X as well at least a year ago or more....
@conflict_monitor
7 ай бұрын
Lol legality. Lol international law.
@slimmdusty8809
7 ай бұрын
And yet Ukraine will never be held accountable for this by the west or the world at whole as many in the west don’t even consider Russian soldiers people. For years I’ve seen wounded and surrendering troops get killed by them and have thought it has to against the rules of war. Not to say Russia hasn’t done the same, they have, but the double standard is still out of control.
@ArchimedeanEye
7 ай бұрын
I really don't understand this whole idea of ethics in war when it comes to eliminating the enemy. They lay land mines, drop bombs, drones, fire artillery, engage in firearm combat etc and then if someone gets injured, you aren't allowed to eliminate them to neutralize the threat? It doesn't make sense. What if the person looks unarmed, then pulls the pin on a grenade? I can understand if it's an entire formation that wants to surrender and the opposing side is aware of this beforehand, but in the midst of battle It does not seem realistic to stop and save the life of the enemy.
@localdude3702
7 ай бұрын
"What if".... Im sure all those soldiers that executed the injured incapacitated soldier said this to themselves... This is a slippery slope to war crimes. If a soldier surrenders, YOU CANNOT kill them... Its against the Geneva Convention... Your views are dangerous and they need to be changed ASAP.
@ArchimedeanEye
7 ай бұрын
@@localdude3702 It sounds good in theory, but do you really believe wars are won by playing clean and fair? Or does the dirty tactic team have the advantage? It's kill or be killed in total war. The only exception should be all civilians not engaged in warfare and milatary formations that collectively surrender. No way on earth would I render assistance to a person sent to kill me.
@Yurivw
5 ай бұрын
It's all fun and games until you get conscripted and sent to the frontlines with the knowledge you'll just be shot if you get injured and you can't even surrender to save your own life.
@DominicFlynn
7 ай бұрын
War crimes tend to be committed by the side or unit that has low discipline and low morale.
@facilegoose9347
7 ай бұрын
Or the one that subscribes to the Ghengis Khan theory of all or nothing. The butchers of Bucha received a presidential unit citation. Meanwhile Canadian parliament whinged at a combat veteran from the 40s whose unit _was cleared of wrongdoing by the Nuremberg Tribunals._ Friend-Enemy confusion of this level favors the enemy at the level of worldview warfare & active measures.
@jaydwy8069
7 ай бұрын
@@facilegoose9347it's amazing the mental gymnastics you people use to justify nazis in ukraines ranks😂
@vanko325
7 ай бұрын
There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the SBU were the Butchers of Bucha and their victims were seen as pro Russian sympathizers.
@miriamweller812
7 ай бұрын
So NATO got overall no discipline and morale at all, because in all their wars they commit and endless row of warcrimes from the start?
@JustChill-zd4ib
7 ай бұрын
@@jaydwy8069 There is no reason to justify them. They will be there and they will do what non-nazis don't want to do. Basiclly a useful tool for their military. Who cares what they believe?
@corvanphoenix
6 ай бұрын
I feel confident agreeing that 🇺🇦 definitely breach multiple war crime definitions daily. Namely those you mention, their targeting of wounded. I think it would be remiss of us to fail to investigate all the war crimes of this war. I think the 🇺🇦 surrender to drones initiative is not spontaneous. That system you mention involves contact with the individual & arrangements being made. They never said anything about surrendering to drones under any other circumstances. One drone unit did bring a surrendering 🇷🇺 soldier to them, others have tried. So it's probably happened more than we've heard. That's the nature of such a decentralised, ubiquitois system.
@coffeehouse44
7 ай бұрын
It just a very deep Rabbit Hole i feel. Each person's rabbit hole is very different from the person next to them.
@johnw3287
7 ай бұрын
Willy, great topic which absolutely needs to be addressed, killing a wounded or surrendering soldier is an execution, both sides are guilty of it, but I have seen more videos of Ukrainians involved in this then I have the Russians, also I've seen more Russian soldiers giving aide to wounded Ukrainians, I've not seen many Ukrainians doing the same
@kell7195
7 ай бұрын
Great topic, leading edge stuff. Perhaps some good can be done for the World with this discussion.
@ocolotav1
7 ай бұрын
Taking out Willy OAM from propaganda list for now.
@joanofarc6402
7 ай бұрын
This is such an interesting topic. Thank you Willy.
@Nick-zz6xl
7 ай бұрын
The guys operating these drones are, for the most part, young men that grew up gaming. They’re not going to be proper soldiers in the traditional sense of the word. They need education and training on these issues, to say the least.
@WilliamAshleyOnline
7 ай бұрын
Yes if their protocols still target unarmed non combatants it doesn't matter as having rules doesn't mean they trump convention. Its great if things go according to your rules but it doesn't absolve you as guilt of war crimes if you break international law. Again this is similar to Garand Thumbs video where the Ukrainian volunteers were saying they don't take prisoners during raids because it complicates the assault operation.
@zellhaufen8583
7 ай бұрын
The sad truth is that you could never simply give up yourself just by raising your arms. Every combat veteran I talked with told me that while adrenaline is still up there is little point in coming out from cover. You would most likely just be shot. Only later, once other troops from the rear arrive is the time to take prisoners, you would even get medical treatment etc. I think what is new is that we get constant video footage from all this stuff and of course the incessant drone killings. Maybe the issue gets more into the public mind now, but it happened in every war before.
@johnwebster5005
7 ай бұрын
On the western front Germans up against the US learned to surrender in large groups because they knew that individuals would just be shot. It was too much trouble to take them into custody. The British were much better but even they treated Germans badly at times. On the eastern front the Germans didn't even bother to take prisoners. Then they got to Stalingrad and learned that the enemy can be just as brutal - and surely this is the point. War is an extension of politics and when it becomes genocidal without rules it is hard to end.
@zellhaufen8583
7 ай бұрын
@@johnwebster5005I believe the confusion is that soldiers are ordered not to shoot prisoners that AFTER they were captured. But an enemy who is firing at you one moment and holds his arms up the next is not yet a prisoner. And wether we like it or not there are reasons for that. There was further confusion in Malmedy because the Germans left many prisoners behind based on their "word" to surrender to the next German units. Then they picked up their weapons again and were shot, and this repeated a few times. To sum this up: from a soldiers point of view an enemy who is still able to reach his weapons or his lines isn't a prisoner. The enemy first needs to be at a large enough distance from weapons and retreat.
@venator5
7 ай бұрын
@@johnwebster5005 The germans did captured russian soldiers by small numbers of 3 or 2 as late as 1945. The usually told german brutality is mostly hate propaganda and nothing to back it up with reality. I am often reading books regarding how the war went on in Hungary (where I live) and numerious times where present where the still reported and sent back POWs to the rear, In some cases even just leaving them behind alive as the russians forced them to retreat. The germans took and estimated 4 million POWs or even 5 million if you are including other countries like Romania. Such a high number of POWS are impossible to get by "didn't even bothering to take prisoners".
@djdeepkanga1245
7 ай бұрын
Good talk!
@stephenpederson7471
6 ай бұрын
Contrary to what was stated it is a very poor assumption that the Russian next to the apc is gesturing to surrender. He’s barely moving. He’s clearly stunned and possibly wounded (no visible blood). His movement is indistinct and it’s intention is not clear. Perhaps it’s clearer in a complete video. However, I agree he’s ineffective. It’s not established whether he does or doesn’t have a weapon (not a full video). It was not established whether the armed drone operator might has seen something that the overview (reconn) drone operator doesn’t see. The overwatch drone has a good view from its angle but it’s not a complete view. Whether the attack drone saw something different wasn’t established. You should have the video from that drone also. You’ve fallen into the same trap as many people that only you see everything that’s happening.
@den020depijp4
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for your wise words. you say that what is needed to hear but difficult to do. Legend!
@cuoresportivo155
7 ай бұрын
The problem with surrendering to a drone is that it can only stay with you for so long. At some point it has to return or drop out of the sky. What if you can't get troops to the POW before then?
@alexshield7532
7 ай бұрын
Because you are incapable to transport them and or take them prosoner then the solution is NOT murder. Tough shit but then maybe you should move and do your job and find and attack a valid target instead of wanting to murder someone who poses no thread and most likely if already wounded will n eed months if ever to recover. You ppl sicken me.
@DhiaFraj92
7 ай бұрын
I respect what you did in this video very informative but we live in a world that only the powerful country (USA Russia China Israel France...) can do what they want without punishment.
@Tom_Quixote
7 ай бұрын
And the reason they can do that is in part that many people keep silent. So I think it's very good with some more focus on this.
@DhiaFraj92
7 ай бұрын
@@Tom_Quixote Israel bombed tunisia in the 80's, we as tunisian did every legal procedures to punish Israel, what happened next?! Absolutely nothing.
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