Update on this case (6/21): kzitem.info/news/bejne/p2qv3K5smp2ehJw Please consider donating, as I have, to the Linnea Foundation, a link that was provided by her mom: givebutter.com/linnea
@mikesbigadventures194
3 жыл бұрын
Your legal document link goes to a file oh your hard drive not a website. You might want to fix that up.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
@Mike's Big Adventures Good catch...fixed, thanks!
@darkmxhishot7475
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that dive instructor there needs to go to prison for murder. Do you know back in the day there was a nurse who used to kill people by injecting them with insulin. And listening to the decisions that were made for her really makes me to believe that maybe he is a murderer and he did this on purpose because I just can’t believe he thought she needed 44 pounds of weight without inflator hose
@davesherry5384
3 жыл бұрын
@@darkmxhishot7475 Mate, I have WITNESSED PADI instructors loading up their patents with excess amount of lead in one of my favourite lake. One little Asian woman I saw had over 24KG of lead on her OW course dives. DOn't get me started on PADI.....
@firstmkb
3 жыл бұрын
That was horrible to hear about. I'm just in shock.
@dalebrownhill2540
3 жыл бұрын
As a diver with 44 years of experience this sounds like criminal negligence to me. No one with that little experience should have done this dive under these conditions
@Vmaxfodder
3 жыл бұрын
the people who even certified her were the real criminals!! who can't figure out to quickly remove a weight belt must never ever go diving! she had no business being in a tub with dive gear on !
@K31011
3 жыл бұрын
33 years /20 as a retired instructor and this thing is beyond neglect and a case can easily be made. Prosecutor just needs to discuss it with PADI or any experienced Instructor. A basic OW diver from any agency shouldn't do anything listed in these documents let alone in the presence of an Instructor. Preaching to the choir but this just makes my blood boil. PADI may be named but this person violated so many S&P there free from any responsibility Im sure. Weight in a pocket is day one shit to never even consider.
@perwestermark8920
3 жыл бұрын
@@Vmaxfodder She had no weight belt - they placed the weights in pockets. So her helper could not manage to remove the weights.
@annabizaro-doo-dah
3 жыл бұрын
@@Vmaxfodder Did you listen? She had no weight belt and 44lbs of weight were *zipped* into her dry suit pockets by her dive masters assistant.
@Vmaxfodder
3 жыл бұрын
@@annabizaro-doo-dah as a X diver? I would never even tried That! I was diving with an Ignoramus once. He would not drop the very heavy thing he found! So I grabbed a hold of him by the tank, and went up. The dummy thought I was trying to turn off his air, and trying to fight him for it. It was not till we were out of the water that he realized he was almost about to die. Never dive with Scarrey Gary from Alaska! I would ever dive like they did! Her dive instructions/ instructor is more at fault than the ignoramus people diving with her!
@Lehmann108
3 жыл бұрын
Diver here. This is so tragic. For an instructor from any agency to allow a student to go diving in a drysuit with no drysuit training let alone not having a low pressure hose to regulate buoyancy in the drysuit is truly incomprehensible. They KNOW she only has 5 or 6 dives. They KNOW she hasn't been diving in a year and a half. So, they tell her to buy a drysuit and then go twilight diving with none of the students having lights in 38 degree water. The level of negligence here is incomprehensible.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
So much wrong here, right Lehmann?!
@Musiknird
3 жыл бұрын
Also grossly overweighted and the instructor not having the certification to teach the course. There's so many wrongs and the dive industry needs a clean up from these "cowboys". Also the dive center hiring a person that doesn't have the proper training. It's a piäure tragedy.
@madcarew5168
3 жыл бұрын
I know nothing bit trying to get a top job with a nuclear reactor!!
@randallsmerna384
3 жыл бұрын
Tragically it seems no one is held legally accountable for this.
@delbancroft9339
3 жыл бұрын
@@Musiknird reading everything, the course was adv open water, which the instructor was certified to teach. Might not of been drysuit certified, but that wasn't the course. It was one of the failures. Being in a drysuit without proper training and equipment (missing hose). Assigned Buddy and Buddy checks should of caught that.
@madeline3868
3 жыл бұрын
Reading the legal document makes me furious. This so called instructor let that poor girl die a horrible death while her classmate tried desperately to help her. Only to then go and blame the student that tried to save the victim for her death. What bullshit
@andyroo3022
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, and the idiots loaded the young lady up with enough lead to sink a small ship. This is a terrible situation and the loss of a young life that could easily of been prevented.
@nmikloiche
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine how many incidents like this went under reported, falsely reported, or covered up before the advent of go-pro type devices. Also, I think it showed great respect to add the 1 min of silence at the end of the video.
@ShadowWizard123
3 жыл бұрын
The scuba conspiracy has gone too far
@dorbie
3 жыл бұрын
They covered this one up too, lied to investigators tainting the coroners report. Then the video emerged months later and exposed their negligence.
@truescotsman4103
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of accidents are like that. The person who makes the accident tries to cover it up
@arnoadam5691
3 жыл бұрын
Gosh this is the first time I've ever heard of coverups of diving accidents. But then again usually the dive instructors and dive centers actually know what they're doing. A truly tragic loss...
@JW-el5cy
3 жыл бұрын
One of the scariest accident I see when diving is divers simply not opening their oxygen valve all the way. When you get in the water, the pressure causes a partially open valve to close up, so your air stops working after you descend. It's happened at least three times on dive boats when I've been present, and all three came back, but you have to wonder when you hear about divers drowning if it was a simple mistake like that.
@carinazhao5995
3 жыл бұрын
My heart just dropped when I heard that they put 44 lbs of lead on her, knowing that she can't inflate her dry suit. Those people killed her, literally. And they are so negligent that they missed multiple opportunities to save her.
@brucebeattie4851
2 жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm 6' 2" and weigh around 200 pounds and have never carried more than 32 pounds of lead when wearing a neoprene dry suit. All other things aside, the fact that this poor girl was horribly overweighted should have been obvious to the so called instructor. What happened is nothing short of negligence.
@cupofsadge8359
2 жыл бұрын
As a non diver, putting 44 lbs of freakin lead on a young girl makes zero sense when wearing a dry suit with no buoyancy. I mean shit dude. A little bit of common sense goes a long way. This is the first time Ive heard this story and I honestly cried not only because she was so young and fruitful but she just seemed like a huge positive contributor to earth
@joane24
2 ай бұрын
I've never dived and I'm not familiar with technical things. I see many comments regarding the weights in the pockets, why would be that an issue? Can't one take them out of the pockets? And if that wasn't standard procedure, is it known what was the rationale/explanation of the instructorsfor doing so? Thanks.
@carinazhao5995
2 ай бұрын
@@joane241. with that much weight and not enough way to add bouncy. she will sink like a rock the moment she is in the water. She simple don't have enough time to react, and she is a brand new diver in training, she is not going to know how to deal with it. 2. Most of her weight is not even ditchable because they put the weigh in her dry suit. This is a very predictable disaster, I can't believe they just let it happen. These people are murders, there is no doubt in this.
@joane24
2 ай бұрын
@@carinazhao5995 Thanks for answering. Why wouldn't the weight be ditchable, if it was in the pocket, can't one just take it out of the pocket?
@dclangst
3 жыл бұрын
As an instructor I tell students not to get in a drysuit unless they’ve had a drysuit course. If I even buddy with anyone and they have a drysuit my first question is about how much drysuit time they have. If they say they haven’t had any or the course I’m out. This was an avoidable fatality. Not even an accident. 44 lbs on a small person plus cylinder?! What were they thinking?
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Ponderous, Dedan, isn't it...
@patrickbuick5459
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like they used some table or something and weighted her as if the suit was inflated. And what thermal protection do most dry suits provide if NOT inflated?? PS: I only did open water basic PADI by Vancouver Island, there were some people on it doing dry suit first dives etc. That is the sad extent of my experience. It was a bit of a mess, my rental suit at the time had issues, as did some of the dry suits. Luckily I was able to borrow a wet suit from one of the dry suit students, I was underweight and struggled to leave the surface for quite a while, but the seal deciding to play with me (unbeknownst to me, but entertaining the other students) and seeing dolphins afterward while on the way back on the dive boat was great.
@Vmaxfodder
3 жыл бұрын
especially not knowing how to get a #$@! weight belt off ! just unforgivable to let her go diving !! they had NO BUSINESS giving her a certification whatsoever!
@Thisone95
3 жыл бұрын
@@Vmaxfodder check the vid again. She did not have a weight belt at all the weights were in her bcd and suit pockets.
@Vmaxfodder
3 жыл бұрын
@@Thisone95 jimminy crickets!! it was suicide!! how can people be that crazy to use that setup ?!!
@drebk
3 жыл бұрын
Lawyer here. This is infuriating. The fact that an earlier fatality had occurred in relation to Gull Dive and that this information wasn't prominently available. FFS, tragic and negligent.
@FFEMTB08
3 жыл бұрын
Holy. Shit.
@jamesriverhighskoolchess5154
3 жыл бұрын
I barefoot at 43 mph and crash with my drysuit. It has no inflator..inflator? Haha this is stupid. She is responsible to lose her weight. She was certified...period
@jamesriverhighskoolchess5154
3 жыл бұрын
I can bend my elbow..this is bullshit
@jamesriverhighskoolchess5154
3 жыл бұрын
Low IQ guy doing video
@jamesriverhighskoolchess5154
3 жыл бұрын
So she is on surface falling to next level... okuuuay
@souswes
3 жыл бұрын
Poor bob….I really hope that guy is still okay and doesn’t feel some form of survivors guilt. Can’t imagine being in that scenario of trying to help someone and having to bail to save yourself.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
For sure...what a negative experience!
@thewindyone5228
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this sad story. I hope your information saves someone’s life in the future. I am trained in group night kayak safety instructions. I just purchased a used dry suit. I plan on using my suit to pan for gold in a creek behind my cabin. You were very kind, understanding, and empathetic in presenting the information. I know Bob must be suffering because his daughter is so close in age. I am researching the use of my suit, safety, and precautions...and yes, inflation, and weight release options...
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
@@thewindyone5228 THanks so much for adding your thoughts, Gail. Best of luck on your continued adventure. Tragic events like this are an apportunity to stay sharp and vigilant...have a great adventure.
@EricHart1
3 жыл бұрын
Seriously… the person responsible was blaming and shaming Bob on a scuba safety forum. No doubt he’s endured torment… such a nightmare for this poor girl, the other students, and her family!
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
@@EricHart1 Saw some of those posts out there...
@eucliduschaumeau8813
3 жыл бұрын
At the moment I saw that they "stuffed" weights into her suit, it was evident that the outcome would be horrible. It's like they just told her to pick out her own equipment and tossed her off the edge. Gross negligence.
@elevatorbernie4924
3 жыл бұрын
Years ago when I took my PADI open water at my local dive shop, I signed up for a dry suit speciality course directly afterward. However during the dry suit skills course (first skills portion in a pool) with the dive shop's gear and neoprene dry suit, in the first couple pool dives I found that the dry suit leaked at the neck seal and the suit filled with water and also lost air at the neck seal. I notifed the dive master and he used electrical tape wraped around my neck on the outside of the neck seal in an effort to stop the leak, when I questioned him about it safety he said dont worry they do it all the time. On the last pool dive I was barely able to climb out of the pool because of the amount of water in the suit! The remaining course dives were to be open water dives (ocean), I dropped out because of their dry suit, I told the dive master I would not go in the ocean with a leaky dry suit and that I would buy my own suit and return for the remaining part of the course , he tried to pursuade me that they would get me a different suit, I still said no and then he said "ok its your choice". I never returned and my advice to all divers is that if anything doesnt seem correct or you feel unsure dont dive! Also buy you own gear, used is ok if certified, but I reccomend new, your life depends on it.
@zak-a-roo264
3 жыл бұрын
You were wise not to trust ANY of their suits.
@birdlady2725
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank God you listened to your instincts. Shame on them for not treating that as a huge safety issue! Terrifying in retrospect. Peace.
@FFEMTB08
3 жыл бұрын
There’s no room for error with safety gear. None.
@garlandremingtoniii1338
3 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more with you my friend!!!
@Vmaxfodder
3 жыл бұрын
😒 you know neck seals are not that hard to replace !? do you drama much ?
@downlink5877
3 жыл бұрын
I wish I hadn't watched this, let alone read the document. I'm still angry several hours later. People need jail time.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
I'm right there with you, Downlink. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
@michaelatherton5761
3 жыл бұрын
I had to stop watching halfway through. The 40 lbs of lead on a girl was a death wish. They didn't do a buoyancy check in the shallows? You're right: angry.
@thunderpuppy6719
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a warm water diver who got certified in 1981. I wear a dive skin, and use 7 pounds of weight. I know nothing about diving with a dry suit, but 40 pounds sounds excessive. The fact that they allowed her to dive without a dive buddy, and the fact that they allowed her to dive without the proper equipment blows my mind. I'm not even sure I agree with letting her take an advanced course with so few dives under her belt. But, I do agree with Downlink...the dive operators need jail time. Lots of it.
@davidwalczak1297
3 жыл бұрын
@@thunderpuppy6719 i run 45lbs with dry rap, with a 120 tank. But on purposes as I'm on a deep water search team an decent a little quicker then most do. Usually drop 20 at 70. Remember she was in fresh water not salt also. This is a horrible situation, but honestly its your life to protect in the end an there is plenty of free advice that should be researched before going with or without a instructor. You read a driver manual before getting a drivers license. You should read up on equipment your using before using it. Just my opinion, but I think she jumped the gun only having 5 dives previous anyhow. Probably never experienced any malfunctioning what so ever an was completely helpless on any option to save herself.
@computerbob06
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidwalczak1297 People like us, read a cars' manual before driving - or at least press every button to see what it does and test every function. But most people do not! They just get in and drive! They use this same thinking in the rest of their lives and leave it to others to teach/guide them. Dive centres (as well as every other professional outfit, in whatever industry) have a duty of care to these people and need to watch over them. I think it's the fact she booked a course here, it was for the dive centre to look out for her and guide her!
@Morrisfactor
3 жыл бұрын
As important as an inflator hose is for a drysuit - the dive should have NEVER taken place. Add the dangerous way of weighting (and the excess weight) - and you have an accident waiting to happen. This is all on the instructor, who seems inadequate in many ways. I can't imagine how that instructor got certified....
@tolvajakos
3 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I am wrong but the way I see it - not being a diver - there was no accident. She just went down there and died as a direct result of the way ahe was equipped. As far as I can tell, there was no way for her to get out alive.
@svr5423
7 ай бұрын
@@tolvajakos In hindsight, this as a buddy: follow her down, let her breath through your octopus, get her out of her jacket, dumping all the gear. Check her drysuit pockets for weights, dump them, then ascent. If you still need more buoyancy, inflate your SMB, disconnect your inflator from your BCD (you can inflate manually and on ascend you only have to deflate anyway) and connect and inflate her drysuit (if possible - apparently the valve was mounted). Next step: dump your weights as well. Difficult to accomplish, but doable if everyone stays calm and work together. However, not with the other person panicking. Guy was openwater junior, I don't blame him. 100% the instructor is to blame and utterly incompetent. That said, Linnea should have known better and aborted the dive. She was already Open Water Certified and would have noticed the missing weight check and buddy check (and the missing buddy). She could maybe have known that there is a drysuit diver specialty for a reason. Authority gradient is an issue, and she was very young, not so easy to speak up. Guys, if your buddies or instructors are being incompetent, speak up and abort. Sort the legal stuff out afterwards. Not worth your life.
@cameronmahaffey3798
3 жыл бұрын
Debbie Snow has been on the scuba pages blaming the other student. It’s incredibly frustrating. Her gross negligence is criminal; the way she has acted afterwards should result in prison time.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
I saw that, Cameron. I was thinking to include screenshots of some of her posts, but decided against it.
@Musiknird
3 жыл бұрын
It's so gross and she has zero self-perception and is obviously a danger to herself and to others. Nothing makes me as furious as these ignorant people in the dive industry the break the standard, has zero respect, doesn't respect limits and not putting safety first. I've seen way too many of them and I hope she goes to prison.
@PD-hv4js
3 жыл бұрын
Blame the student??- if the student had the skill to handle the situation they wouldn't be a student.
@Despond
2 жыл бұрын
So she commits manslaughter, shows no remorse and tries to blame a student. Disgusting.
@mrsevelync6900
2 жыл бұрын
Ewww I'm disgusted. I think I have just developed a hate for someone I don't know, she is VILE!!!
@chrisjones4904
3 жыл бұрын
I tried diving in the PNW, and in my 6-8 dives(Including certification dives) I saw two uncontrolled ascents thanks to dry suit misuse. It is a piece of equipment that demands a ton of respect, I can't imagine letting a new person dive with so little understanding of it at all.
@bigrich6750
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been diving for 40 years and am a former OW, Advanced and Rescue Instructor and have done Stage Deco, and I would not dive a dry suit without being fully trained in a pool before going OW. I’m in North Florida and don’t dive dry suits even in my Deco stuff. A 5mm Farmer John and Jacket is enough, but I’ve thought about it to extend the diving season, but the idea that someone allowed this woman with almost no experience to dive a dry suit without training is criminal.
@jamespalmer5819
3 жыл бұрын
I got no diving experience or knowledge, but I wana ask why a dry suit is more dangerous than a wetsuit?
@bigrich6750
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamespalmer5819 because it’s filled with air. A wetsuit increases buoyancy but it’s a known quantity. If you’re too buoyant in a wetsuit, you simply won’t sink. In a dry suit, you’re constantly adding air and without the training to know how to manage it, it can get away from you. You have to learn how to manage the increased buoyancy or risk an uncontrolled ascent. You can even get uncontrollably upside down because air fills the legs pulling you up by your feet. Training and practice are critical to all phases of diving.
@jamespalmer5819
3 жыл бұрын
@@bigrich6750 okay cool thanks for the reply 👍
@meh9682
2 жыл бұрын
@@bigrich6750 Terrible accident but why is the manufacturer being sued?
@bigrich6750
2 жыл бұрын
@@meh9682 probably because they have deep pockets. If the manufacturer did not require that the shop provide training to end users then they may be liable. I would think that every manufacturer would have training guidelines that they provide to shops. If they didn’t do that or something like that, could be why. Also, there may have been a defect in the suit. I don’t know.
@olentangy74
3 жыл бұрын
A number of years ago, a diver friend invited me to go drysuit diving with him. He had spare drysuit that he would loan me. Despite being an experienced atlantic diver, I had never used a drysuit. I thanked him for his offer, but said no thanks. Without any training, it was a no deal.
@rossilake218
3 жыл бұрын
I’m a Padi cert diver with 100 dives, mostly resort dives in the Caribbean/ Gulf.. This lady dropped like a rock to the bottom. Buoyancy control is everything in diving, It’s critical. In flying an Airplane, air speed and lift is everything. Terrible, Awful and Tragic! This girl probably weighed only 110 lbs. Half her weight, without dual- buoyancy. Crazy again.
@SERGEX42069
3 жыл бұрын
the additional weight sounds more like murder than negligence. Sad story.
@birdlady2725
3 жыл бұрын
Especially when it is not accessible to get rid of it if needed, as in this case. I do not dive, but how does one determine how much weight to use for a dive? And if instructor knows she cannot air up her suit, which I assume would give some buoyancy, so this much weight seems like a lot. It would be like her holding 5 and 1/2 gallon jugs of water while going down? Thank goodness for the other diver trying to assist her! Why didn't the leader go check on them, especially if rescue breathing was in progress? Too many things just don't make sense!
@Chris_L034
3 жыл бұрын
the weights are fine, but not being on a quick release belt is insane.
@TheyCallMeTouchpad
3 жыл бұрын
@@Chris_L034 That much weight on a small girl in a shell drysuit is ridiculous.
@conservovirtus5796
3 жыл бұрын
Murder is intentional. So no it's not.
@jhoughjr1
3 жыл бұрын
yep
@mathewladroga4695
3 жыл бұрын
This make me so sad. She was set up for failure. I dive in the cold waters of Maine and I have felt the squeeze. It is extremely scary and nerve racking. There is a reason you should go through classes for every advancement in diving especially drysuits. My condolences to her family. Thank you for sharing this story
@allwayscgood576
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t even comprehend this. Horrifying beyond words. Someone definitely deserves to go to jail for this. Gross negligence and complete incompetence are severe understatements
@markbowles2382
3 жыл бұрын
RIP Linnea Mills and prayers for her loved ones tragic loss.
@HockeyVictory66
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I have watched a gut wrenching video on KZitem that was this heartbreaking. Thank you for explaining what happened. I feel terrible for this girl and her family.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Thank, you, Brett. It is a heartbreaker, and I know it was long vid for some…but I felt I could spare 22 mins of attention for this poor girl. Appreciate the support.
@suestoons
2 жыл бұрын
@@DiscoveryDiversTokyo We lost our young adult daughter to illness in 2017. We were able to be there for her. I am absolutely gutted for the family. Gutted.
@jeaniejbutler4911
2 жыл бұрын
@@suestoons So very sorry for your loss.
@rainerrain9689
Жыл бұрын
@@suestoons Sorry for your lost .
@fredsobotincic1587
3 жыл бұрын
What a horrible death she must have suffered, people should got to jail for this wrongful death !
@philmay7834
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the new age where no one is willing to take responsibility when they make a mistake. I hope people here go to prison.
@Itried20takennames
2 жыл бұрын
History doesn’t hold up your statement….even a 100 years ago if you were poisoned working with radium you were told was “totally safe,” or got black lung as a miner, or had your hand cut off in a factory….everyone just shrugged, fired the worker, then got a new one. The radium workers was the most ridiculous case of a workplace causing death, and the business owners did hugely outrageous things (likely stealing bodies, claiming it was just coincidence 3 girls in their 20s had their lower jaws essentially fall off, threatening workers, and the workers who suffered horrible deaths got a pittance - and that was considered ground-breaking, because before they got nothing. Much of the delay currently is that it is often very tricky to get the right person to blame….take the fertilizer explosion in Lebanon….is the fault of the Russian tanker that brought there and then left? Or the warehouse that stored it for years knowing it was dangerous? They wrote letter after letter to the local government saying it was unsafe and to move it, with the local government saying they didn’t have the funds. Or the fault of the nearby fireworks warehouse that caught on fire first, leading to the fertilizer exploding, as many buildings would (gas lines), etc. in a building fire? All of them? Not easy to tell.
@elliott7100
2 жыл бұрын
Phil stop talking out of your ass. "Old man yells at moon" vibes here. Ahhh yes things are only bad now, not like back in the good ol days.
@bittnerbs
3 жыл бұрын
Listening to this not only makes me extremely pissed off, it damn near gives me a panic attack. As an “advanced” open water diver, with around 60 dives, I still find myself uncomfortable in the water at times and I cannot begin to imagine this happening to me. Although I have a kindergarten level of knowledge and experience as a diver, I would’ve aborted the dive and fired the instructor. PADI (in this case) owns some responsibility here too. All too often they just want those fees in their bank account and they don’t hold instructors & shops to account for their bad practices. The “instructor” put this girl in an extremely deadly situation prior to entering the water and then he abandoned her directly after entering the water…this is homicide. The instructor used her enthusiasm and love of diving to take advantage of her for monetary gain. How can anyone be ready for an “advanced” course with under 20 dives? How can she send a student into the water during a freaking high-altitude NIGHT DIVE without a torch, no dry suit training, a non-functioning dry suit, and a literal anchor strapped to her? I don’t even have the words.
@nityah6815
2 жыл бұрын
Ooh trust me. I have seen people with just OWC done go into AOWC. I did about 12 dives before I got my AOWC. I now have 22 dives and havent done rescue yet. I have seen people with less dives than me going for rescue diver course! It beats me as to how a novice can save others. Its just irresponsible on the part of the diver, the centre n PADI too for having such crap requirements.
@Finthefish-hr8ky
3 жыл бұрын
WTF! what a needless tragedy. This place needs to be closed and all held accountable.
@bornaluckyman1
3 жыл бұрын
Jim you handled a very difficult subject with a lot of respect. We know it's hard for the family, cannot imagine their pain but grateful for their contribution. As divers we like to know the details of a systems failure so that we can understand and avoid such tragedy.. Well done and proud of you
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you David, for your comment and support.
@donnasingleton6320
3 жыл бұрын
This beautiful girl and her family. I'm just heartbroken for them. Praying for their broken hearts to be mended
@grumpycat4584
3 жыл бұрын
I am a PADI divemaster taught by the best Master Diver Instructor ever, Mr. Barry Smyda. Barry allowed me to hover around a class, searching for any student in the slightest distress. My question is, where was this instructor's Divemasters ? For those that don't know, Divemasters are unpaid volunteers, that love our sport. I'm so sorry for this young lady, that she trusted an instructor that never should have been teaching.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed...this instructor's support was not well planned, nor utilized...
@grumpycat4584
3 жыл бұрын
@@DiscoveryDiversTokyo Thanks. I certified open water while stationed on Okinawa. Price was $ 35.00 . One of the best decisions I ever made. My sincere thanks to the Okinawan people for sharing their island with our Marines. Naui 1971
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
@@grumpycat4584 Oh, man, you are old-school, RK! Respect!
@Musiknird
3 жыл бұрын
You're not unpaid as a divemaster but as a divemaster trainee.
@grumpycat4584
3 жыл бұрын
@@Musiknird Today, perhaps. I helped with classes in the early nineties.
@mecima
3 жыл бұрын
Have not been in the water since I sold my dive shop, health reasons, this makes my chest ache. The arrogance of the entitled !!!!!!!!!!!!!! They murdered that child.
@mailesignorotti4881
3 жыл бұрын
I’m crying, my heart is hurting for Linnea, her buddy, and the family. What an incredibly tragic story, and I pray the family gets the justice they so deserve. What heroic acts to try and save her by Linnea’s buddy.
@trentyoung1135
3 жыл бұрын
Diver here. When I did my Advanced Open Water certification dives, I was one-on-one with the instructor. Can't imagine what this "instructor " was thinking. I have dived in Florida, Grand Cayman and Cozumel, I have never performed a dive without being buddied up before we ever get in the water. So sorry for her family. Prayers sent for peace and comfort.
@ura9390
2 жыл бұрын
1 minute's of silence for Linnea. Thank you for honouring this lovely girl who was lost so tragically
@endphen
3 жыл бұрын
Tragic condolences to the family, I am happy to hear the family is ok with the idea of people learning from this tragedy. BItter as the event was your advice is what makes this death have value. Hopefully your advice and tips will save lives.
@_littlemrsfluffy_7725
3 жыл бұрын
This is just devastating. I am so thankful for the instructors that I had.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Good point. Let's all be thankful for the knowledgeable, attentive, inventive, adaptive, always-learning instructors out there.
@ReeferCheifer13
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh that must’ve been so scary. My condolences to her and her family. Can’t imagine being her in that scenario. Training and certification is of the upmost importance when it comes to diving.
@birdlady2725
3 жыл бұрын
It is sad how she was destined to do great things, and seemed to be trying to do things the right way. Sadly with the wrong people. RIP young lady and my condolences to her family and friends. May this dive shop and person leading this dive, be shut down forever so they don't kill any more people. Sad and heartbreaking.
@luapele1
2 жыл бұрын
This is a hart breaking story. Thank you for bringing it to public in a clear and appropriate manner. I hope justice is done and the family may find peace in the loss of Linnea. As a professional Diver, I am appalled that an instructor and dive center would allow this many failures to occur and still attempt a dive. Please everyone dive safe and dive smart.
@cleanerlakes
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, former dive shop owner here. Brooks dry suits are rock solid. Mine has around 1,000 dives on it and not showing any signs of wear. Brooks are favoured by local fish farm commercial divers because of the ability to repair it with glue. We often see suits come in for servicing that has 50+ glue patches on it.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Henry, thanks for adding to the conversation. As a Brooks user, is there anything special/proprietary about their inflator hose connection, or just usual BC connection?
@cleanerlakes
3 жыл бұрын
@@DiscoveryDiversTokyo their primary valve supplier was, and probably still is, Sitech. My suit has them. Obviously Sitech supplies valves to many suit manufacturers and I can’t think of any documented incidents of valve failure due to design flaw or malfunction. In this particular young lady’s situation, the lack of a drysuit hose, should have already been a called dive. As a total side note, Brooks did make make adventure suits for kayaking at one time. . They do not have valves. They are also very different suits. While the suit does have a waterproof zipper and latex seals, it was made from a thin tri or dual laminated material. It has no insulation value. This would have been recognized as an incorrect suit for a diver by most dive professionals.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
@@cleanerlakes Thanks, Henry.
@priscillayoga4040
3 жыл бұрын
Diver here... As I live/ dive in the tropics, I never had to even consider getting a drysuit. I knew with drysuits you need some kind of training, but I didn't know that drysuits are actually that complicated and that you need to do a whole course on how to use it before safely using it on a dive. I've learned a lot from this video, thanks for making it!
@jp5481
3 жыл бұрын
It's a short course, as I remember 2 pool sessions plus 2 in the open water. It isn't so complicated to use, but you now have something else to think about - your suit now has gas closed inside, which is compressed on descent, and vice versa expands on ascent.
@lhurst9550
3 жыл бұрын
At my age/experience very little affects me, this story left me in tears.
@vodnurse5702
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not a diver, but I have to say you covered this event with the utmost of integrity and responsibility. It’s horrifying to think what Linnea went through. And Bob!
@Rewethdragon
3 жыл бұрын
I can't even imagine. I'm a rescue diver with just under 800 dives in my logbook, and as it happens I dive a Brooks Duratex suit like the one Linnea had purchased. I accidentally dropped once with my drysuit whip detached. I knew I was only dropping to 30ft so I just endured the squeeze until I touched down and reattached my hose. But even at that depth, I could barely move and was covered in bruises afterwards. I can't imagine what this poor girl went through. :/
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that that perspective and experience, Jonathan 👍
@philipkraft9946
3 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable tragic!!! Please keep us posted on the ongoing suit.
@charleslacombe359
3 жыл бұрын
And they put the weights in the pockets so she had NO way to ditch them ! Unbelievable ! Yeah, They definitely Left this girl out to dry !
@charliewatts6895
3 жыл бұрын
They murdered her.
@DARIVSARCHITECTVS
3 жыл бұрын
Diver here, and occasional camper in Glacier National Park. Lake McDonald's low temperature and extreme depth are not to be taken lightly, especially for less experienced divers not educated on the extra dangers that these conditions pose. God console the relatives of this poor girl. This should have been prevented with proper training and practice, and especially the proper equipment. No way to offload already excessive weights that were unreachable for release, inadequate equipment condition inspection, no provision to inflate the dry suit to eliminate squeeze, no lamp in a totally dark environment, no dive partner for help or rescue, deep and freezing conditions, no hand signal training, no provision for communication with local rescue services, a recipe for disaster.
@zhibadzamgling
3 жыл бұрын
I can't finish watching this movie. I'm dry suit diver with maybe 15 dives in drysuit. I can't even imagine what she was feeling in that moment. I hope that this instructor is sitting now in jail.. Prayers sent to her family
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Exact truth, Z. Thanks for adding your thoughts.
@tomthompson7400
3 жыл бұрын
A very sad tale , and all of it should never have happened , let alone been avoided. I teach drysuit diving , and this is wrong from the start and stayed that way right through to the very sad ending. My thoughts are with the family.
@ronharmon3846
3 жыл бұрын
This diving company should be forced to pay an additional punitive amount in the $100 million range, the dive master / instructor should go tp prison. Manslaughter is a crime.
@johnbolton9957
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@Allheadingtosameplace
3 жыл бұрын
Sure But who’s going to pay that That amount is a joke
@ronharmon3846
3 жыл бұрын
@@Allheadingtosameplace There is no joke here.
@sitflyer2661
3 жыл бұрын
This was hard to watch, such reckless negligence. She never had a chance, overweighted, no inflator, no buddy, uncertified instructor, this is clearly criminal negligence and endangerment from the dive center and the employees present. So sad...
@rossk4864
3 жыл бұрын
I used to dive extensively in the Puget Sound, always with one or more trusted buddies, and always strictly by the book. I went on one trip sponsored by an owner/instructor of a dive shop and it was a complete cluster, something like this event, except fortunately no one was hurt. One day, we left on a boat and did three dives. I foolishly left my dive table behind and it turned out that no one, not even the instructor had a dive table with them. I knew that we were safe but getting close to the limit after the third dive, and the instructor decided to do a fourth dive to 80'. I convinced my buddy that if we dove, we go no deeper than 30 feet. Everyone except my buddy and I grossly exceeded their dive limits. It was very fortunate that the dive tables are conservative and there were no casualties. There were no more commercially sponsored dive trips for me - I only dive with people I know and can trust.
@RonaldJohnson-fv5ht
4 күн бұрын
I ran across this story long after it happened, but have an interest in getting trained for diving. I knew there were some risks, but this really brought home to me the importance of following safety measures. Not many stories could bring me so deeply to tears and anger at the same time. This beautiful young lady’s life was taken away by the very people who were there to ensure her safety. Trying to place blame on the guy who tried to save her is just beyond despicable. I can’t even begin to imagine the grief of family, friends, and the fellow diving students that day. My deepest sympathies ❤
@RonSnijders
3 жыл бұрын
While reading the legal filing last week, I got angrier and angrier with every line I read. Seeing you go over it gets me riled up all over again. The amount of negligence, overconfidence and sheer stupidity that went into this situation is unbelievable. Breaking just about any one link in this chain of incompetence would have saved this girl's life. Aside from the obvious and deserved legal hell for the 'dive center' and the employees involved, I'm really wondering if the points about PADI will hold. Their entire business model appears to be 'set the bar as low as possible, without making it possible to be held accountable'. That of course doesn't mean that all PADI instructors set the bar that low, but it does allow for this level of incompetence to exist within their organisation. My guess is they'll throw the 'dive center' under the bus and weasel their way out of it, but I'm hoping that at the least it'll make them re-evaluate exactly how low they want the bar to be.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Ron, thanks so much for the thoughtful and informed comment. Let's both hope that you're right and this will be a learning moment at the very least, and culpability for those deserving.
@suestoons
2 жыл бұрын
At what point does a community hold an authority to account? I have absolutely no knowledge about diving but I'm assuming that PADI issues licenses or certifications. When does the diving community confront the PADI organization for letting them down? Collective professional standards?
@jmh2105
2 жыл бұрын
That Bob stayed with her is Such a Blessing... to know that at least Someone was trying to help her was Huge! Sir you certainly saved her from a far Worse death[ almost unimaginable] . To have been without your presence and obvious struggles to help her....to have been utterly on her own - having been Killed by the absolute & total criminal actions and negligence - by & of the Dive Company. May The Lord be with you and her family as you heal.
@kcstott
3 жыл бұрын
I know enough about diving to be dangerous, but I do know that 45 pounds of dive weight is what a hard hat diver uses for ballast when welding to keep you from bouncing around in a swell.
@Coffeeguyzz
2 жыл бұрын
I am glad you mentioned that because you are correct. When we did commercial dives in dry suits (usually Uni Suits, not Mark Vs), we would usually wear over-the-shoulder harness weight belts with about 45/55 pounds of lead. The belt was always, always, the last piece of gear donned as it would be the first piece ditched in an emergency.
@remcovanhal6336
3 жыл бұрын
This is mindblowing. Such a sad case. Hope the divecenter will close for good and these 'instructors' will never work in the dive industry again. My heart goes out the the family. Thank you Jim for the video, all videos where you analyze accidents will help me alot when I go for the instructor course next January :)
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Totally agreed, Remco.
@garlandremingtoniii1338
3 жыл бұрын
A little background on Lake McDonald. It’s the largest lake in Glacier National Park. It is located in Flathead County, in my home State of Montana. Lake McDonald is approximately 10 miles long, and over a mile wide and 772 feet deep. It fills a valley formed by a combination of erosion and glacial activity. It was formed when an extent Volcano blew it’s guts out, millions of years ago. Lake McDonald lies at an elevation of 4,153 feet and is on the west side of the Continental Divide. Going-to-the-Sun Road parallels the lake along its southern shoreline. The surface area of the lake is 8,823 acres.
@williampierce4513
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for the info
@garlandremingtoniii1338
3 жыл бұрын
@@williampierce4513 No problem, anytime. If you have any questions, just ask.
@scuba_dragon2148
3 жыл бұрын
There is no part of this that is not utterly horrific. I've been an instructor for 25 years. I was trained in Colorado. After reading the brief, I can't find a standard they forgot to violate. Maybe if they had supplied heliox in the bottles, that would have topped it off. Honestly, as a trained inland, cold-water, altitude instructor, we tend to carefully police ourselves and I am stunned and saddened at the egregious and indefensible, flagrant, apparently willful ignorance of standards and just plain common sense. Clearly the owners are beyond defensible. It appears as though PADI might also have something to answer for if the allegations regarding the death of the previous diver, and the apparent collusion (if proven) with Gull Dive is true. Without knowing the scope of experience and training of the instructor, I cannot comment. If she received her training from Gull Dive, she might have a prayer of a defense. I know I put all of my faith in those who trained me. Fortunately, I had excellent training. I am saddened for Linnea's family. I am heartbroken for Bob. That man will have nightmares for the rest of his life in all probability, seeing that face of Linnea as he desperately tries to save her in a situation he is neither prepared nor trained, nor properly equipped for and cannot possibly do any better than he did. For our scuba community, if Linnea's tragedy can help serve as a guide of any sort, PLEASE, please research with whom you are training, carefully. I know you can't really tell if the facility has any complaints lodged against it, but you can certainly see if the written standards of the course you are taking match with the training you are getting. Don't assume anything. Download the standards for yourself and see if your facility / instructor / instructions match. It's all on Google these days. You don't even need to go to the library. In all my years teaching, I have literally NEVER seen a case where literally every standard was violated and ignored in a single event. So tragic and soooooooo preventable. The owners of Gull Dive need jail time. PADI needs a come-to-Jesus moment to align its standards / oversight with its marketing need to be dominant worldwide at any cost. That instructor needs a bunch of stuff, including re-evaluating with whom she works and redefining common sense practices. I'm gonna also say, she really shouldn't be allowed to teach scuba students anymore. Ever. Linnea's family needs a hug. Bob needs a cookie, and an assurance that regardless of the outcome, Bob, you are a HERO.
@jquest43
3 жыл бұрын
It was a ritual sacrifice.
@suestoons
2 жыл бұрын
♥
@richmartin1427
9 ай бұрын
One thing I was reading is the guy who owned Gull is also a high level executive in the Banking industry. Meaning he probably writes a lot of campaign checks to politicians.These have a way of making criminal charges go away, even though they are clearly warranted in this case. Tragedy around. I am not a dry suit diver, but even in my open water class I was taught about suit squeeze effects on a dry suit. There is no way in heck I would ever dive in a dry suit without an inflator hose. And then to be this overweighted? Total negligence by all involved, and sadly when people are young they don’t often realize how to say no to dangerous situations. Gull completely failed this woman, there is no way to sugarcoat it.
@dorbie
3 жыл бұрын
Shocking and infuriating reading about this. What's not covered here is the instructor lied to investigators and the video exposing all of this only emerged months later.
@bobe3250
3 жыл бұрын
So sad. My prayers go out to family and friends that they find peace soon.
@ladcares5157
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jim for covering this so thoroughly. It truly is an eye opening event. I've passed this on to many of my friends and DM candidates as a learning experience. We all have to be extremely attentive to students and the details. --- Also Thank you for the tidbit about inflating Drysuits I'm totally adding that to all my rescue courses.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind comment, Lad 👍
@geraldchesnut2017
3 жыл бұрын
As a retired NAUI Instructor that has been diving 40+ years this tragedy has many factors. The avoidable things that contributed to the tragedy were compounded one on top of the next leading to what became lethal level circumstance. The lawsuit, no matter the amount, will not bring Linnea back. For her memory of a young woman trying to advance her proficiency and skill at a sport she loved I could only hope ALL divers read this, heed this and try to be cautious and realize a lot of little problems compounded can take your situation to lethal level circumstance.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gerald...40+ years...you've seen some stuff...
@clinthowe7629
3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful young lady, with her whole life still ahead of her, dying for no reason whatsoever. What a shamefully unnecessary loss.
@pjford1118
2 жыл бұрын
I'm NAUI certified( I stopped logging recreational dives at 1500 hours, and a commercial diver with over 2500hr), my son and daughter are certified by PADI (my daughter was a "junior diver" 10 y 10 m old at the time). I was at the pool for all the lesson and on the open water dives. I saw so many downright dangerous things taught. When I breached that with the instructor he said that he HAS to teach the curriculum, and the proper procedures are taught is the advanced courses. I thinks there was 4 pool lessons and the day of open water dives. My basic open water course with NAUI was much longer and much more in depth. Thanks for the in depth coverage, such a string of incompetence.
@chrisperrien7055
3 жыл бұрын
44pounds of unreleaseble weight in freshwater with a smaller person? and no inflation hose. Wow They definitely are liable, but I gotta wonder how liable PADI is.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
KInda says it all, right, Chris?
@elmo319
3 жыл бұрын
Right, that’s not a PADI procedure at all
@ThisEpicLife
3 жыл бұрын
How would they be liable? No one seemed to be following their published procedures. Serious question, I'm an inexperienced diver and am still learning as I go.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThisEpicLife I'm less acqauinted with this issue, which is why I largely avoided it in the video, but at least one area of "dispute" has to do with the 2019 shop death and how that was followed up on from PADI. I believe it's alleged tha tPAID did not properly implement their proper QC process after that incident, and also alleged if I understand properly, MAY have colluded with the dive shop to cover up public awareness of that event. I believe this is detailed on pgs. 12 and 13 of the complaint.
@chrisperrien7055
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThisEpicLife IMO , liabilty would/could follow to them from the "laws of agency". Basically if this girl's death resulted from the neglience of an employee/agent of a business and that business was a licensed agent of PADI Corp, PADI can also share liability. I am years removed from a Business Law 101 course, but that is the gist of it.
@FarFetchedFlorida
2 жыл бұрын
This is why divers need to have confidence to speak up. If you see something wrong, scream and shout. Demand accountability up front before you get in the water even if it ends your dive dry. She couldn't have known better. The instructors couldn't be more negligent. Maybe another diver couldn't told her not to get in the water... So sad...
@fritzfxx
2 жыл бұрын
Spending the first minute citing your sources instead of "smash that like button" got me off. What a breath of fresh air
@AR-kh8df
2 жыл бұрын
This is a tragic event. Kudos to delivering the information in a respectful and professional way. My condolences to the family.
@jewelcreechbigelowhomestea6202
3 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad Bob had a camera good for him people will blame you for anything now days 🙄
@gdiup9241
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, just like the need for a dash cam as well.
@MarkN67
3 жыл бұрын
This is such a sad case and it’s difficult to believe any dive centre/instructor let Linnea dive using the kit that she had. I’m a PADI MSDT and an TDI Advanced Trimix diver in the UK and have been diving in a dry suit for the last twenty years. When I first read about this case I couldn’t believe the facts. Reading through the comments I would like to argue that a dry suit should never be used for buoyancy, that’s what a BCD/wing is for. It would be very easy to have a run away ascent caused by too much air in a suit. Therefore the suit inflator should only be used to control the suit squeeze.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed Mark. Solid comment. Update has been released. Have a look at the update: kzitem.info/news/bejne/p2qv3K5smp2ehJw
@markgiltner7358
3 жыл бұрын
Wow I've been certified for 35 years now started as Naui open water transitioned to Padi for my advanced thru divemaster this was in 1986 for my open water dives. I also started diving with a viking dry suit within a couple of years after that, we dive alot in the great lakes so it gets cold, so I have decades diving with a dry suit. I do a ton of decompression diving and routinely will dive between 150ft to 180ft I stay away from the 220ft mark like the plague. So I think I know what I'm talking about here. I wouldn't call this murder but manslaughter absolutely. 1) 44 lbs of lead is gross negligence. My viking suite I use 37lbs Max I personally want heavy, i do decompression diving I need to be assured I can stay on point when ascending, plus I'm carrying up to 3 sling tanks as well as my twin steel in my back. I also am using a large wings BCD in conjunction with my dry suit, so I'm more than heavy enough. So to put 44lbs on her is criminal I can assure you all she felt that squeeze guaranteed (been there felt that. (Forgot to hook my inflator whip to my suit the squeeze at 70 ft was almost unbearable I could barely move hurts too) 2) no inflator whip for her suit how else is she supposed to compensate for the added lead her BCD was incapable of lifting her. She drowned, and that my friends is a fckd up way to go. I f for some miracle she blacked out first. That inflator whip would have most likely saved her. We all are diving in an environment that we are not ment to be in (we don't have gills). We all no Archimedes and boil's law but do we know Murphy's law.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reasoned and insightful comment, Mark. I've been grappling with what the appropriate "punishment" would be for an act like this.
@dougbourdo2589
3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Horrible. NO instructor should have taken such a novice diver into this environment. I was a Public Safety Diver for my Sheriff's Department in the Great Lakes for a number of years and an avid Advanced Wreck Diver for years. This situation is So far over the top in negligence. It is almost unbelievable.
@mwrees
3 жыл бұрын
The scroll makes me so dizzy I can’t follow .
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Martha. Some others said the same...I"ll take that into consideration next time. Thanks for the feedback.
@grene1955
Жыл бұрын
I'm a rec diver with bout 250 dives. I was at 250 pounds when I was started diving. ( lost 50 pounds since then) I started diving in Puget Sound in Washington state. I carried about 32 pounds of weight, most of it ditchable. I can't imagine a little gal like that carrying so much weight! So much about this story is heart breaking...
@spearandspine9970
3 жыл бұрын
From another instructor, thank you for a very well-informed, researched video. One light-hearted nit-pick I have for you is the use of the term "perfect storm" which I think usually means that an unlikely series of unavoidable factors that wouldn't be catastrophic on their own came together to cause a catastrophe. The only aspect I would've described as unavoidable is the fact that they were out of cell phone range, but by the time that became an issue, it was too late anyway. Everything else was entirely avoidable, and instead of a "perfect storm" this accident would be better described as "clockwork". If someone described all the events leading up to the dive, I wouldn't just be very hesitant to count on there not being an accident, I would bet my life savings that there WOULD be an accident. But I digress, we all knew what you meant, and again, thanks for putting together this well-informed, researched video.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Sam, thanks so much for your comment. I see your reasoning and would have to agree with your reasoning regarding the use of "perfect storm". Thanks for the support.
@michaelatherton5761
3 жыл бұрын
Out of cell phone range?! I have a personal satellite beacon. If I was the lead instructor I would have had a satellite phone (you can rent them). Diving at high elevation in a freezing lake with no emergency plan? I would have bet they also didn't have any O2. You'd only need one thing to go wrong, not a cascade of ignorant ones.
@JackieBaisa
2 жыл бұрын
This was so respectful and well-done. So tragic. I hope this doesn't happen to anyone else.
@jomoland
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not a diver. I like watching dive videos because it’s something I’ve always wanted to do but I’ve suffered from panic attacks since age 21. The thought of the dangers that could come to me if I was to suddenly panic while so deep in water have prevented me from ever pursuing diving. Not being a diver I just wanted to disclose that b4 commenting since most here are divers. It’s so tragic this girl had her life ripped from her so early. I hope she’s truly in a better place. 🕊
@michaeljohn7398
3 жыл бұрын
Mate. I am crying while watching this video. It is incomprehensible that this dive went ahead. What an absolute FUBAR scenario. Jesus wept as well. Tears from Michael. Australia.
@sammyd7857
3 жыл бұрын
What about the dead girl. This is what happens when people are brainless. Who would think that they need 20kg of lead to dive.
@andyvaldez212
3 жыл бұрын
absolutely ridiculous..... I hope they sue the dive center and PADI to hell... negligence all the way around...
@midnightsailor1
3 жыл бұрын
As a scuba diver for 50 years and a Certified PADI instructor, I am appalled at what I heard here. So much of this makes absolutely no sense and completely antithetical to PADI training and protocol and practice. The numerous problems and omissions by those conducting this training are so numerous It is hard to imagine that this shop provided any oversight to those they employed. My heart goes out to Linnea's Parents and loved ones.
@carplay5454
3 жыл бұрын
ive been wanting to get into diving. i think i'll hold off on it.
@NikChillin
3 жыл бұрын
That poor girl and her family, these centres should be regulated
@4872tlday
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Scuba Diver, this is a clear cut case of negligent homicide. 44lbs of weight even on a regular dive will drag you to the bottom. And to put an inexperienced diver in a dry suit with no inflator hose, no orientation, is just asking for trouble. Also, as divers, we have to be willing to never dive in a situation in which we are not trained, and to know what should be involved in training, and refuse to dive. She was diving at altitude, in ice cold weather, in a dry suit, for none of which she was trained. The entire Dive Center staff needs to be imprisoned. So many things were just negligent in everything that happened.
@Dk-mi8pr
3 жыл бұрын
Heartbreaking, I'm incredibly sorry for the loss.
@toscadonna
3 жыл бұрын
Did these people just not like Linnea? To weigh her down with 40 lbs that she couldn’t remove, let her go down without a hose in her dry suit, and then to ignore her when she got into trouble seems like too many things to go wrong without some intent and planning.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Would seem like, right...as it turns out, the current criminal investigation is focusing on "intent"...stay tuned for that video.
@Burningheartcelosia
3 жыл бұрын
It is so sad and awful and horrific. I can’t watch much more past 9 minutes in but I wanted to because you did such a great job commenting and your voice volume and tone etc were very easy to follow. I hope your channel grows and you do more and more videos. I am not sure a diver but I’d probably watch your videos because of how well you put this together. I just can’t watch much more. Making me too upset. Thank you for doing this though
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, Amanda. Hope to see you around the channel 👍
@TheMuhaAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Everywhere I have went diving . I have had to show my certification cards . I also carry DAN insurance for myself and my wife . Crazy story .
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, Jeff, at reputable operations...
@2011blueman
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, that's an incomprehensible amount of negligence to the point that I think it was manslaughter.
@joellalashius7304
3 жыл бұрын
This is a terrible accident that could have been avoided. This is why it is so important to have a dive buddy and you check each other's equipment prior to diving. As a buddy you don't want to go through something as horrific as this.
@houseofsolomon2440
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting. This whole situation boggles the mind. At least this 'cowboy dive shop' was called out.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, H of S...
@FJaypewpew
3 жыл бұрын
Notice how in the comments there aren’t any reckless divers recollecting their potentially dangerous activities
@hidel308
3 жыл бұрын
WARNING: diving is always dangerous. Anytime you take a second breath underwater can you run the risk of drowning. You must treat diving as if you were going to the moon. Because you are completely dependent on your equipment for your survival. It is not a game. Many people have died diving, and developing the equipment we have today. It should be approached with extreme caution, that includes your rental gear. Everything must be thoroughly inspected as if it was your damn space suit!
@chriswiles87
3 жыл бұрын
Holy that dive instructor is 100% at fault!
@dickfitswell3437
3 жыл бұрын
The guy who rushed to the surface is a good dude. Whoever put the weights in her suit should be charged with manslaughter. Min. What a terrible way to die. Condolences
@acadiastrong4446
3 жыл бұрын
The dive instructor wasn’t charged. They could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was criminally culpable.
@Creepystalker102
2 жыл бұрын
@@acadiastrong4446 this is why our justice system is worthless
@gravitystorm61158
3 жыл бұрын
I’m certified NAUI since 1999. Also worked at the dive shop maintaining and repairing rental equipment and customer equipment. I had to have certified training on all equipment we as a shop were able to work on. Dry suit valves and tear repairs were specialized and had a 15 hour training course. 3 hours per day for 5 days in shop. I will say, firstly, I’m an Engineer. Someone off the street wouldn’t be able do maintenance or repairs. And never load pockets of the suit with any non dischargeable weights.
@vagabon5130
2 жыл бұрын
18 years too young. Damnit. My condolences.
@TheprogresBMX
3 жыл бұрын
This guy is very interesting and I enjoyed this video. Please do more videos on scuba diving gone wrong/footage.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, GooB! Have a look throughs he library, I've got lots of different stuff in there you might might be interested in.
@rickb2432
3 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable. No way to inflate the suit, loads it with 20 kilos of lead, and sends here into a lake that’s almost freezing. And at sunset with no lights. Someone is getting their asses hammered in court.
@rickb2432
3 жыл бұрын
@@DiscoveryDiversTokyo good lord. Just unbelievable. My heart sunk when I saw your reply.
@DiscoveryDiversTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
@@rickb2432 I plan to do a short followup facebook.com/lisa.k.mills.7/posts/4623978230962823
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