We lighty damp down the back paper only with a sponge. It allows the back to stretch
@PaulMikna
Жыл бұрын
Even the 'fails' are entertaining and instructional.... You can talk about why something doesn't work, but to see it, really is helpful. Thank you for taking the time to keep those mistakes in your content and having such a great sense of humor with it all.... It's one of the appealing aspects of your channel.
@magnumbull
Жыл бұрын
I agree! I'm glad he doesn't edit his mistakes out of the video so that we can also see what issues we might run into. This is one of the reasons why I always click on his notifications.
@bradlissel9830
11 ай бұрын
I’ve boarded 100’s of arches doing new builds next door to you Ben in Alberta. You had all the right ideas, the order that works best for me is strips face down and a stream of water along the brown side. Spread the water out with a t-square or scrap piece and let soak for just a couple minutes. That 1/4”will dry out surprisingly quick. The real pro tip is to use the arched cut out from the wall board as a form to pre-bend the wet 1/4” and press it into the arch. 1/4 router bit when cutting the arch means the 1/4 rips are held in tight while getting screwed off. Just picture the dance of me trying to stand on a bench with a knee holding the cutout up to keep the rip tight while screwing it off. Works incredibly well!
@theplaid1
Жыл бұрын
I live in Ontario and arches kind of faded away here about 10 years ago but the last time I did one I had good success using half-inch drywall but I scored the back of the paper with a knife and a speed square every inch on the radius very well. Love the videos Ben please keep them coming
@267BISMARK
Жыл бұрын
100 %. This old video shows how kzitem.info/news/bejne/jmd5p3ehoId7loo&ab_channel=GypsumAssociation
@jonydowy6221
Жыл бұрын
Hi,the arch was funny to watch,here in Greece we even have a special board for this stuff but it still doesn't work for tight circles. the easiest way for me is to just cut it every 2 inch on one side and break it,the mud and corner bead fixes it. Cheers
@isaacbeckel2044
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! By the time you wet it, bend it, wait for it to dry and put it up you could have scored the back, hung it, corner beaded it and got the first coat on.
@danhunik7949
Жыл бұрын
I drywalled my whole house with a drywall router. The minimal cost of one even compared to the cost of a reno even for a few cuts is well worth it.
@TheBBBB0B
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making all those mistakes! It is less painful for us when we do it. I did have to do some around a built-in corner round tub. I cut it to size, moistened the back, and hung it over a couple of saw horses. Since I was not in a rush time was on my side. It got a memory, and I could curve it around the tub with little effort. Thanks for the videos.
@johnnicosia7551
Жыл бұрын
Yeah your method works. I have done it too. Spray it with water and form it close to where you want it and let it sit.
@MV-wb2cz
Жыл бұрын
could be something you do first thing of the day to prep for later on that day installation, wise way of working. Work smart not hard.
@M30263
Жыл бұрын
Shower bad! 😂. Sprayer or sponge good 👍 Also with two people it goes so much easier. Edit… that said, always love your videos 👍. Wait, love no. Enjoy. Yes. 😂. From a fellow Canuck lost in Georgia for 22yrs 😳
@AnotherClown01
Жыл бұрын
Hey Ben, I used "Masonite board on mine. It contoured to the radius and after it was finished, primed and painted you wouldn't know the difference. I did build it up in 3 layers. Just a thought for you to try if you like and can make the time. Cheers Happy new Year all the best to you and your family.
@kirkyslaps2274
Жыл бұрын
We have a 6.5mm Flexi board in Australia that we use for this. Also when wetting, should only wet the back then bend into shape and let it mostly dry out into position before installing. Another option is to relief cut the back of the board every 20mm or so
@mmmmmmb
Жыл бұрын
I have learned lately that taking a few minutes to look up a video on it will save you an hour of frustration.
@BrentErb
Жыл бұрын
This is very helpful. It is extremly usefull to see problem solving real-time. Thanks for your videos.
@frankdahlquist1851
Жыл бұрын
This was a funny episode! Thank for the hints.
@jefffree6990
Жыл бұрын
That's using your head! Love watching the learning process, complete with all the "oopsies"
@kindle7191
Жыл бұрын
Thanks from Vancouver Island! I'd love to make an arch.
@zackerydupuis6724
Жыл бұрын
I love your videos and keep up the amazing work Ben.
@RetroBerner
Жыл бұрын
Don't drive the screws home right away if the board isn't flexible enough. We used to wet the back of the board with water or just score the back since it's all gonna get filled with mud anyways
@waynewhyte6595
Жыл бұрын
Hi Ben been watching your channel for awhile and even though imy a 45 yr professional in Australia, I've still picked up a few good ideas from your channel especially now I specialise in renovations and repair work. I get my apprentices to watch some of your vids that I think are pertinent to what I'm teaching them. In the 1980's we did thousands of these arch's but then they went out of vogue. But today I did my first Roman arch in 32 yrs which was an eye opener for my boys that have never seen one done. I've noticed you guys over there have some different ways of doing things than we do. One in particular which you mentioned on external angles. Our angle system seem so much quicker and easier especially if you want them straight. Another thing I've noticed in yours and others vids is you use single shot screws. Don't you guys have collated screw guns which are as quick as nail gun ? So onto my thoughts for your arches. I hope you do a follow up vid on the setting process you use as I can see a lot of headache the way you have over laid the fill in on the outside of the arch form instead of inside the plasterboard shape. We very rarely have timber forms in our openings as a matter of fact I'd rather not have them as it's time consuming and not necessary if know a few tricks. I've always lined the vertical sides of the opening first then fix the sheet over the opening and fix it off. I then go on the inside and mark the center of the opening and put a small nail hole through it. (Nb when I find the center width measurements I add the thickness of the plasterboard down from the top. This allows the infill to fit inside the arch.) Once I have the center worked out I cut a piece of board about 50mm or 2" wide and long enough to go past the center mark to make a big compass. With me so far? I put the clout or small nail through the measurement on the compass stick the put it through the hole in the opening. I then put my knife on the end of the compass and scribe around the shapes of the arch. Then do the same on the other side through the same hole. I then cut up the straight sides of the arch with my saw until I meet where the radius line meets the straight line. Once you do that give the sheet a good thump in the middle and the arch will just drop out. Repeat the same process on the other side and you're ready for the infill. So far this is about 20 - 30 mins for both sides. The secret to bending the board is cut your fill in across the width of the board not the length of the board, it bends easier one way then the other. It just means putting 2 pieces in instead of one, but it'such easier this way. Now the infill piece needs to be the same size as the framing studs, so it fits inside the plasterboard instead of out side. Grab your strip and gently roll it gently back and forth over the top of your arch cut out. This will start to " stretch" the infill to shape. Start at the center top of the arch out a fixing nail or screw in the top and slowly "squeeze' the infill piece in flush between the 2 plasterboard sheets until you get to where the side sheeting meets the curve. Do the same the other side and your ready to fit the steel arch beads. This whole process takes me about 30 - 40 mins, a lot quicker than it took me to type this......lol. It looks like I'm might be doing 2 more in the next week or so. if I do I might see if I get the boys to video it which would probably show how easy an arch is. And I've used this system right down to 300 mm or 12" openings in niches etc. Anyway enough from me. Keep up the good work my boys enjoy your vids, so do I. Cheers to all the drywall brothers and sisters
@mikebaptiste5350
17 күн бұрын
You should have went into more detail and really made this comment longer !!
@Pembroke.
3 ай бұрын
It's interesting; I've never completed an arch with drywall before. In the past, I have only done aches using a 1/4" or 1/2" board placed in a streamer for 15 to 30 minutes. Before installing it, place it in a table jig of the arch for about an hour to hold its shape. Having to deal with arches can be frustrating, but you handled it well.
@boppins
Жыл бұрын
Do you have to use drywall here? What about just normal wood? Could use thin, almost-veneer-like layers and build them up. Or do you need to use anything at all, assuming that a final, nice wood paneling is going to be put in place there.
@rick5908
Жыл бұрын
Set the blocking a 1/4 back and lay 1/4 ply or luan in first and cap with the drywall board, just wet the back. That gives support through the curve. Most likely your breaks were between the blocking. Scoring the back every 1 to 1/2 inch also allows the back to open a bit without cracking through.
@bumblbesss
Жыл бұрын
Glad you put in the Mistakes, lot of Pro like to show perfection and never a mistake. But a professional is just a person who has been through a ton of mistakes they already know what not to do cause they have done it the wrong way too many times 😁 the Fun is in learning !!!
@redwood_shores
Жыл бұрын
I like you not hesitating to fail while on air! I would use plywood though, no point to bend drywall piece whatsoever
@Monath3
Жыл бұрын
Not going to lie I had a good laugh watching that board break on you.
@RattledMind
Жыл бұрын
Ben must be getting paid by the screw! 😀
@BenRush
Жыл бұрын
What would happen if you scored the back of the drywall before hanging it? Would that release some of the tension a tad? It might allow the paper on the front to bend with the contour of the arch while also giving some flex to the back? Any sharp angles to the drywall could probably be mudded out, but you might keep the drywall from snapping deeply. For example, if you notice, after the thing snapped a couple of times, it appears to have followed the contour more readily and didn't break much more. So, a controlled version of what you did above by prescoring.
@josephtimperio9932
Жыл бұрын
Indeed. He himself played that clip of the old 40s drywaller with the hatchet scoring the back for an archway. Why did he abandon that?
@benjaminziegler7437
Жыл бұрын
@@josephtimperio9932 exactly what I was thinking throughout this whole video, it's odd be didn't even discuss that as an option. Or the fact that they sell bendable drywall
@BenRush
Жыл бұрын
@@josephtimperio9932 I must have missed that video. I'll go digging for it.
@potterb39
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing… Score the back of it, bend it in.
@hardickmcfondle2956
Ай бұрын
Tapers get pissy if you have a ton of breaks cause it's more work for them.. if you can avoid breaks they can just slap their flex bead on and go.. if there's breaks they have to first smooth it all out, let it dry etc.. if you score the back it's garenteed to break everywhere you did
@mitchellpurelife
Жыл бұрын
I agree with Dan. I wet the back side only. With sponge or spray bottle. Lean it against the wall on an angle to allow it to warp on its own. 40 yrs it's worked. I put one screw in the middle around also to prevent weakening it.
@pfak
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the laughs. 😀
@bay9876
Жыл бұрын
Love to see the archway created by different methods. 1/4-in x 2-ft Lauan Sanded Plywood, Home Depot Arch Kit. Multiple back cuts, Pre-soak back, kerfing the board, European arch from an arch kit, and just plain mudding over the breaks to get a good outcome?
@cvreeken
Жыл бұрын
I love it. It's like mythbusters, drywall edition....
@GODZclaN11
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing so much Ben. Very much appreciated. Off topic question - Can any regular, non polyurethane, wood glue be brushed on or added to mud? I have some Titebond Premium Wood Glue. Thanks again!
@davebuchanan9761
Жыл бұрын
its nice reading all the comments of different ways, now i want to try it and i dont even have an arch to try it on
@TobiasRaphael1
Жыл бұрын
You should be able to get 1/4" high flex drywall at your drywall supplier company. It will save you this headache for a minimal additional cost. Well worth it, as I have learned. Good job getting it done though!
@christophercharles9645
Жыл бұрын
As for the bending of the drywall - I've had success wetting it; bending it into the curve I need; then letting it dry in that shape before screwing it into the arch. It does require an extra day or more but there's usually other stuff to be done while the drying takes place. Also, wiggle wood works as well.
@mattmoore1311
Жыл бұрын
I'm watching this at 5:30 A.M. before work. At 8:31 min. I snorted so loud I woke my wife up.😆
@tschmath
Жыл бұрын
Could you have scored the inside layer of paper like woodworkers do when they want to curve a piece of plywood?
@johng9562
Жыл бұрын
Good one Ben.
@richardspees841
Жыл бұрын
Brings back bad memories of doing this at my parent's hours. Two of the, but longer radius's. Still a pain though.
@keta2217
Жыл бұрын
Remember the old video you showed about the old craftsman doing a curve .
@bradscates9064
Жыл бұрын
Lightly score the back side of the board, bend it around the arch then put your bead on and tape the inside with fibafuse and you’ll be fine
@dhammer5645
Жыл бұрын
Next time, save the plywood arch cut off and make a quick mould for the wet drywall to drape over after wetting. The radius won't be perfect but pretty darn close. Wet both pieces of drywall drape them over the mould then go for a coffee and let them set up a bit.
@gnshp8167
Жыл бұрын
Thats how we did it to. Put some weight on the drywall, soaked it with water and let it sit over night
@Fluffy_Rumples
Жыл бұрын
@@gnshp8167 soak the drywall?
@misterj597
Жыл бұрын
3rd!!! If you have 30 minutes to spare, use a keyhole saw. If you don’t, use a router. For bending, you can cut the back of the drywall, just make sure you don’t cut through the front paper. I see that on job sites pretty frequently
@mambi74
Жыл бұрын
"cut the back of the drywall" - so essentially a kerf cut on drywall then?
@sanbornify
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you’d started screwing from the top of the arch whether you’d have had better success with the double layer screw strategy?
@fastmover45
Жыл бұрын
Ben Just use a pump spray and wet the arch drywall nice and damp leave it for 20 mins maybe spray again and wait a bit more or leave it out side up against the wall over night so it slumps.
@kirkdunn1379
Жыл бұрын
It needs time for memory to set in....set screws loose and only 1 per stud in center.....1/2" can be done by scoring the back or use thin piece of Masonite or something so surface is solid for drywall without gaps between studs..... You had perfect template with drywall you cut out for radius
@joshburd5545
8 ай бұрын
yooooooo i always watch your skate videos and I know u are a carpenter but im finishing my basement and found this video organically and im like wtf its Ben!!!! Good shit dude im always learning from you here on youtube
@jimpowers4640
6 ай бұрын
I did a tight 900mm arch in new builds in the toilets. Right pain they are must have done 1000s. You must either wet the board or use the 6mm GTec boards
@lincolndickerson1293
Жыл бұрын
This may be a bit out of the box and totally wrong but when bending plywood there are a serious of scores used to make the wood easier to bend leaving the outside surface intact. Effectively many intentional small breaks. See Josh Wright on KZitem, he has done many videos applying this technique. Not sure how well it would work with dry wall.
@jimpowers4640
6 ай бұрын
I used the 6mm board. With a damp sponge. Ideally if you have a 45 gallon drum. Just lay the board on the drum.
@4vinylsound
Жыл бұрын
I would start on the center top and work your way out on both sides simultaneously
@KingSobieski
Жыл бұрын
My house has got the shallow arches. They look good :)
@eunicom
Жыл бұрын
Just a thought, wouldn't it have been easier if you scored the back paper every inch or so? I've seen videos of others doing this for curves like what you made. Or is that curve too tight for this method? Thanks for the video. Still educational.
@mc-sp8zr
Жыл бұрын
00:20 Sounds like a Trojan ad here 😅
@4vinylsound
Жыл бұрын
Back when I was a kid in the early eighties my father was a head carpenter of the carpenter's Union in New York and I use to go to work with him and asked him on the same scenario but much bigger scale how they got the sheet rock to bend for that arch wsy he said they sprayed it with water with a spray bottle the dampen it.
@daveklassen924
Жыл бұрын
Would wetting and pre-bending, then letting it dry first, be the way to go?
@ssl3546
Жыл бұрын
I think I'd have used 1/8 bending luan plywood, it's specifically made to bend easily in one direction. prime, then you can put drywall mud on top like usual.
@suspicionofdeceit
Жыл бұрын
Nope, it will eventually crack and come off.
@xxakli
Жыл бұрын
@13:35 we call that an eyebrow here in cali . . .
@kentoakley9409
Жыл бұрын
couldn't you put relief cuts on the back side to allow it to conform? Thanks for the videos!!
@HalcyonAcorn
Жыл бұрын
Tried this myself on even less of a radius, had zero luck, ended going with 1/8 MDF built up in 2 layers.
@jackhuynh2489
Ай бұрын
Thanks so much Ben
@Me-yj8pv
Жыл бұрын
A video on what not to do. Thank you for making all the mistakes i would have for me.
@jameslastname9171
Жыл бұрын
What about kerfing the board?
@johnathandrew118
Жыл бұрын
How about presoaking and prebending?
@robertackerman3500
Жыл бұрын
You have to let the bend sit longer . Usually over night . Same goes for wetting it flex it then let dry . But only damp not soaked . Union Carpenter 24 years.
@hi-ye4rz
Жыл бұрын
U can either wet it .. Or use 2layers of ¼" works really good don't even need water
@mdstmouse7
Жыл бұрын
hey look that "carpenter" guy is making another drywall video!
@xxxxxxxx3476
Жыл бұрын
Forever the optimist !!!
@natewarner
Жыл бұрын
Would starting in the middle and working out work better? That would at least reduce the length of the "lever arm" prying against low-strength drywall board, wouldn't it?
@jefflee6711
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure you are only supposed to wet the outside of the curve. That allows the paper to stretch. Easily tested by wetting the outside of the drywall piece and then lay it over something cylindrical. It will conform to the curve, but for tighter curves you may have to repeat the wetting more than once. That's how I did it with a 17" radius cove.
@sharonbrown3666
Жыл бұрын
I saw a guy cut lines in the gyprock to make it flexible... what's your thoughts on that?
@steenhmm5047
Жыл бұрын
Maybe If you used the cutout to press the soaked 1 layer up?
@CAmericanSportsCritic
2 ай бұрын
Curious if there was a reason to not kerf the back to help?
@verdegeo5721
Жыл бұрын
metal lath and plaster works
@lordhriley
Жыл бұрын
I would like to see how you mud this
@number1pappy
Жыл бұрын
What about cutting relief cuts in the back of the drywall????
@kevinbenedict5443
Жыл бұрын
When i do arches i generally kerf the back of the board every couple of inches or so, then.....no problem make almost any radius
@gluuuuue
10 ай бұрын
You might as well just fan-slice v-cuts down the exterior facing paper (side with the inner radius). Yeah, it weakens the shear strength, but you can tape/mud the seams, and it's just a 4.5" width section anyway. Not like it has a lotta shear/tensile responsibility anyway. If the arch is semicircular, you can calculate the inner partial circumference from the inner diameter, subtract that from the outer partial circumference computed from the outer diameter, then you have the diff between the circs. If you make n cuts around the semicircle uniformly, you can divide that difference/n and that would be the approx. width of each v-cut.
@danielwarrington2865
Жыл бұрын
I tend to score the back of drywall with a knife to allow for the bend
@bantz001
Жыл бұрын
We want to see the pre-soak and pre-bend over lunch results! You set yourself up for a garage arch video.
@Progorama
Жыл бұрын
ok lemme show you how to NOT cut a thight radius arch
@nonamepyro6176
Жыл бұрын
Mayb put a screw up top first so its not falling down every time you screw
@BaddDukk
Жыл бұрын
Hardboard, MDF, luan, or 'wiggle wood' plywood would have all done this job without snapping.
@evictioncarpentry2628
Жыл бұрын
Pretty most people would use 1/2 drywall and score the back paper every half to one inch the whole way around and then you can bend it to whatever radius you want.
@MV-wb2cz
Жыл бұрын
do you have to fasten every 2 inch score?
@evictioncarpentry2628
Жыл бұрын
@@MV-wb2cz No.
@RR-ty6zz
Жыл бұрын
Make cut on back of drywall which would make it very easy to install lol
@mrrepurpose9596
Жыл бұрын
Success teaches nothing. Failure is where one learns..
@CybekCusal
Жыл бұрын
Why not just buy the flex drywall?
@darkcoolcat
Жыл бұрын
You need six hands to do that 🤣
@CoolHand24
Жыл бұрын
Why two layers though, just for strength?
@conradyo9274
Жыл бұрын
Dominic and Joseph are still there. Lol
@civedm
6 ай бұрын
Drywalling A Tight Radius Arch! Alone.
@jonanderson4474
Жыл бұрын
Flush trim bit.
@magnumbull
Жыл бұрын
You keep saying "the taper will fix it." Aren't you also the taper?? 😆
@John.Doe-OG
Жыл бұрын
Ben, I saw someone put a bunch of shallow scores on the back side to make a bend like that. I thought it was you but it may have been Jeff Thorman on Home RenoVision DIY.
@daryldavirro4237
Жыл бұрын
I also think that starting the screws near the bottom didn't help. It has to much weight at the weak spots. Start at the top to limit the weight it has to hold up
@TheOldBlackCrow
Жыл бұрын
I've seen where they score the back in many places... But I don't do drywall, so who knows?
@rickgray5651
Жыл бұрын
Score the back of the sheetrock and wet it
@andrewnovino5269
Жыл бұрын
Did you forget the roto zip I hate when I don't have mine
@LivingMyBestLifeIAm
Жыл бұрын
Anyone who wants an arch should budget in a trim router lol
@OldSkoolPGFan
2 ай бұрын
Why not just use 2 strips and go from floor to half way up the arch from the left side then do the exact same thing from the right side and meet in the middle?? That way you're not forcing as much radius from one piece.
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