"Curzon, my beloved old friend!" "I'm Jadzia now." "Oh! Well, Jadzia, my beloved old friend!" And that, folks, is how you do it.
@rjframe4410
Жыл бұрын
yep this is how you handle this. Star trek always quietly hitting the right notes
@almightyk11
Жыл бұрын
To Klingons, the body is a shell to carry the spirit. In Kor's eyes Jadzia is a new shell for Dax
@clemtoe
Жыл бұрын
"Normal human interactions in real life should resemble fantasy interactions between fictional alien societies in 90s scifi tv."
@necroxisz
Жыл бұрын
@@almightyk11 lol you just still want to find a way to justify your hatred huh. sad.
@almightyk11
Жыл бұрын
@@necroxisz What hatred? I was saying what it is.
@g0nt411
5 ай бұрын
- How can you accept that change so fast? - Come on, we are not savages.
@DCdabest
Жыл бұрын
>meets old friend with new gender >compliments them on being smoking hot, asks for kiss. >respectfully backpedals and affirms old friends new identity. Kor knows how to do it.
@durchhalter
9 ай бұрын
So much easier done when it's not just the gender that has changed but the actual, measurable, biological sex.
@DCdabest
9 ай бұрын
None of it is that measurable though. All that business with chromosones and what not is no guarentee of anything. Ultimately, gender is prefered interpretation of a biogically informed presentation.
@durchhalter
9 ай бұрын
@@DCdabest Biological sex, in contrast to gender identity, is very well measurable: it's scientifically defined as an individual's biological disposition to take on a reproductive function within their species. Said disposition is absolutely binary, clearly measurable genetically, and expressed anatomically, biochemically, physiologically, and morphologically to various degrees. Also, it doesn't matter whether the individual is actually willing or able, for whatever reason, to take on a reproductive function within their species, biological sex is only about the biological disposition(!) to do so. A Trill host change like that from Curzon to Jadzia isn’t just a non-measurable, self-proclaimed change of gender identity, it’s first and foremost a scientifically measurable change of biological sex, including an equally measurable partial change of personality to the Trill composite psyche. I dare say that not even the most hardcore right-winger would have a problem acknowledging any of this if Trill were real.
@DCdabest
9 ай бұрын
@@durchhalter Sure. My comment is more me reading into your reply the implication that gender is informed by sex in a simple 1 to 1 ratio. The dynamics of gender as a cultural concept is simply much broader than the trite answers people give online about chromosomes and reproduction and so on.
@durchhalter
9 ай бұрын
@@DCdabest I see! Yeah, the online discussion as well as that in many other forums has gotten rather trite, convoluted, overly emotional, and utterly misinformed ... on both sides of the aisle.
@dca-Letsplay
2 жыл бұрын
A seconds hesitation to accept the knew knowledge it may be a shock but even a Klingon considered a harsh and powerful warrior accepted his friend for who they now were
@ericaj9822
2 жыл бұрын
Kor wasn't necessarily harsh, not even when we first meet him in "Errand of Mercy" in the original series. He relished battle for its own sake, as a test of might rather than an excuse for mindless bloodshed. He wouldn't attack someone whom he perceived as weak, although likely because he saw it as a waste of time as opposed to an act of mercy. But it's this scene that shows Kor as he is at his core. It didn't matter what form Dax took; what mattered is that he was reunited with his "beloved old friend" at what seemed to be his lowest point. He embraced his friend without hesitation, without questioning their transition... ...and that, dear allies, is how it's done. As has been said many times: be like Kor. To paraphrase his last line in "Errand of Mercy": it would be glorious.
@SunrisenStar
2 жыл бұрын
your friend's don't change just because they chose a new name or appearance, unless of course they changed their appearance to reinforce new behaviour.
@JnEricsonx
Жыл бұрын
@@ericaj9822 Fight for a reason, not for lols. THAT is the type of Klingon Worf wants to be.
@TakaComics
7 ай бұрын
Not only that, he was absolutely drunk. And never made a mistake again.
@RXdash78
16 күн бұрын
And Kor is one of the more conservative and old school klingons.
@4Astaroth
3 жыл бұрын
Just lovely. Old friends are never forgotten and always beloved.
@RobGordonJC
2 жыл бұрын
Old friends who have transitioned genders should be treated with the same love and respect that you gave them before 💪👑 That is the message of this scene.
@Razzrazz90
2 жыл бұрын
An interesting touch that I'm not seeing anyone mention too is that Kor immediately went "horny old man" on Jadzia and tried to go for a kiss, regardless of him originally knowing Curzon as a man first. Kor did not discriminate. For as creeper as it may come off, Kor *likes women* lol. Glad he was fine with boundaries as soon as Dax just offers a friend hug instead.
@ethanbuckley1942
Жыл бұрын
I’d like to elaborate - he only did that when he learned she used to be Curzon. I don’t think it’s because Kor saw an excuse to kiss a pretty woman - it’s probably more akin to the old Klingon trying to kiss the homies good night!
@SuperDarthKelly
Жыл бұрын
Hey the man asked for a kiss and when rejected didn't complain, don't know what more you could ask for
@ricardoymise
Жыл бұрын
It's ok to be attracted to a friend, she turned him down and he accepted the loss like a true warrior.
@kevlonk
10 ай бұрын
To be fair, Curzon was a notorious skirt chaser back when Dax was Curzon.
@95DarkFire
9 ай бұрын
What is there to discriminate? Jadzia is a REAL, normal woman. She just has Curzon's memories.
@Revenante_of_Asylum
4 ай бұрын
You really don't get the wholesome genuineness and processing this scene has from the meme. I presumed it was a snappy switch from the old name to the new name like a MCU hint of bathos, but it felt like an organic and sincere correction in conversation while suffused in the heartfelt joy of reuniting with an old friend. Truly a beautiful scene, and I am better for actually seeing it in non-jpg form.
@jredbaron96
Жыл бұрын
There's something special about Star Trek that decades after this episode aired people can come back to it and find comfort in its dialogue.
@bebejeebies1583
Жыл бұрын
Being an ally brings honor to your house.
@durchhalter
9 ай бұрын
Well ... Kor isn't a real ally though: 1) Joined Trill can ACTUALLY change their biological sex, not just their gender identity 2) Joined Trill ACTUALLY add a new dominant, individual personality with its own name to their composite-psyche. It's therefore not at all a sign of tolerance, respect, or "alliance" to accept a new host's new sex or to address a joined Trill by their new host's name, it's just a sensible reaction to a scientifically measurable fact of reality. If Trill were real, not even the most hardcore right-wingers would have a problem accepting that kind of sex-change ... because it would be an actual, biological sex-change.🤷♂
@jordanloux3883
7 ай бұрын
@@durchhalter It's less effort to just be nice.
@durchhalter
7 ай бұрын
@@jordanloux3883 I guess so, but I'm German. We have a really bad history with playing nice in the face of falsehood - first with the last German Emperor (Wilhelm II), second with the "Führer" and his ideas, third with the USSR and its communist ideas (in East Germany). If we learned anything from history, it's NOT to accept false ideas and premises just because it is easier to do so in the moment!!!🤷
@durchhalter
4 ай бұрын
@@jordanloux3883 It's almost always good to be nice, but what "effort" are you referring to? It's less effort to just be nice than doing what?
@SillyNep
3 жыл бұрын
So wholesome
@matthewpage8313
2 жыл бұрын
Kor is fearless. Kor is strong. Kor is honorable. Kor does not dead name people. Be fearless. Be strong. Be honorable. Be like Kor.
@Frenki94
Жыл бұрын
"When I reach the halls of the hallowed dead, I will find your beloved, and remind her that her husband is a noble warrior... and that he still loves no one but her. Goodbye, my friend - live well."
@durchhalter
9 ай бұрын
Although I agree with you in regard to what you want to express, I have to point out that this isn't just a case of a new gender identity. Joined Trill can ACTUALLY change their biological sex, not just their gender, and they ACTUALLY add a new dominant, individual personality with its own name to their composite-psyche. It's therefore not at all a matter of tolerance or respect, to address the joined Trill by their new host's name, it's just a sensible reaction to a scientifically measurable fact of reality.
@matthewpage8313
9 ай бұрын
@@durchhalter Kor knew Dax as Curzon. He has now met Dax as Jadzia. Either way, they are still his old friend and compatriot. Gender or biological sex be damned. If the underlying point is to treat people with respect and love them regardless of exterior presentation, why are you splitting hairs about a Trill bonding being more than just gender identity?
@durchhalter
9 ай бұрын
@@matthewpage8313 It's not "splitting hairs" when it's a comment about the difference in people being able to accept something they can physically measure vs. people being able to respect something simply because of someone's declaration. It's always easier to accept and respect something whose's truthfulness a person can test through measurability. Accepting and respecting something that a person is simply asked to believe, is way more difficult. I dare say, if the Trill were real, even the most hardcore religious right-winger would have absolutely no problem to accept and respect the change from Curzon to Jadzia because of what I just said. That's why I think the notion of using Kor's reaction in this scenario as an allegory for exemplary trans-acceptance is deeply flawed.
@matthewpage8313
9 ай бұрын
@@durchhalter So because you do not personally understand, or rather do want to understand, or accept that biological sex can be more than just XX and XY, "gender norms" are really more of a social construct than anything biologically encoded, and sexual preference is more a spectrum than a binary choice, these things do not exist and those who do not reflect your perceptions and understanding of them are not worthy of being treated with respect as fellow human beings. Got it. 👍
@AlejandroDiazadiaz201
Жыл бұрын
Those of us who grew up watching, and understanding it, that the outside may change but the soul, the shared memories, and friends remain. Let the body reflect identity, the soul represents the being.
@Xeire
2 жыл бұрын
This is how you do character development
@copland78
3 жыл бұрын
Everyone! Be more like Kor!
@Vesperitis
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes it's not that easy in real life to accept your old friend in a new body. But sometimes it is. Be like Kor.
@Leathurkatt
2 жыл бұрын
I have always loved this scene for sooooo many reasons...
@void2258
Жыл бұрын
For those complaining that Koloth did not take things as well, remember trill symbiotes are not a perfect allegory for transition. Kor accepts Jadzia is his old friend. Koloth also is perfectly fine with her being Dax and being the new incarnation of his friend, but at the same time objects (as Kang does later) to involving "a different person" in their oath. Both points of view are valid.
@RXdash78
Жыл бұрын
It's kindof amazing how Trill symbiotes weren't intended as an LGBT allegory and were just a weird alien of the week plot on TNG. Yet decades later the stories are applicable to modern issues.
@TheLuuuuuc
Жыл бұрын
Knowing star trek and the writers I wouldnt be so sure it wasn't intentional
@zaammy3584
Жыл бұрын
aren’t the carpets in the show literally trans flags lmfao
@ashleighelizabeth5916
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLuuuuuc Given that the very first Trill they showed was a male in a romantic relationship with Dr Crusher on TNG.... and that the host was killed and the symbiote's next permanent host was a female (who still had feeling for Beverly) I'd say that there has to be somebody on the writing staff that had an idea what they were doing...
@FFKonoko
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLuuuuuc Knowing star trek and the writers I would 100% doubt that it was intentional. That said, IIRC, the initial TNG pitch was intended as a gay thing, studio meddling, etc, and it just accidentally ended up way better as a trans thing in the long run.
@durchhalter
9 ай бұрын
I know what you want to say, but the analogy is not nearly as good as it may seem at first glance: 1) Joined Trill can ACTUALLY change their biological sex, not just their gender identity 2) Joined Trill ACTUALLY add a new dominant, individual personality with its own name to their composite-psyche. It's therefore not at all a matter of tolerance or respect to accept a new host's new sex or to address a joined Trill by their new host's name, it's just a sensible reaction to a scientifically measurable fact of reality. If Trill were real, not even the most hardcore right-wingers would have a problem accepting that kind of sex-change ... because it would be an actual, biological sex-change.🤷♂
@ginjaninja7147
3 жыл бұрын
KLINGON SAID TRANS RIGHTS!!
@user-hc8oj8cv4f
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that partly was an intention: "In the future we see no problem in this".
@tenkenroo
3 жыл бұрын
What matters is how brave and honorable a warrior you are regardless of gender.
@aaronescobar2057
3 жыл бұрын
@@tenkenroo I imagine in Klingone society, LGBTQIA are accepted so long as everyone can fight like an honorable warrior
@KierrokCyclone
3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronescobar2057 I believe this is true, I want to say, the Klingon are pretty much like space Vikings, and if you can fight, doesn't matter what's between your legs, or what's on your chest, rather in your chest/heart. There's also an episode where Dax shows more shock that a Ferengi is actually a female, dressed as a male, instead of hearing the "male" Ferengi was in love with Quark.
@tenkenroo
2 жыл бұрын
@@aaronescobar2057 pretty much
@Chromia1
2 ай бұрын
Sharing again as more people need to see this. ❤
@dice_for_death
Ай бұрын
This scene always makes me tear up. So beautifully wholesome.
@jonathansotelo4877
3 ай бұрын
"Star Trek is woke now!!!" Meanwhile DS9: Klingons really don't give a shit if you change gender, you're still their friend.
@BossALKENO
Жыл бұрын
This is how to treat your friend when they come out as trans.
@durchhalter
9 ай бұрын
I know what you want to say, but the analogy is not nearly as good as it may seem at first glance: 1) Joined Trill can ACTUALLY change their biological sex, not just their gender identity 2) Joined Trill ACTUALLY add a new dominant, individual personality with its own name to their composite-psyche. It's therefore not at all a sign of tolerance or respect to accept a new host's new sex or to address a joined Trill by their new host's name, it's just a sensible reaction to a scientifically measurable fact of reality. If Trill were real, not even the most hardcore right-wingers would have a problem accepting that kind of sex-change ... because it would be an actual, biological sex-change.🤷♂
@95DarkFire
9 ай бұрын
Jadzia didn't though. She is a real woman.
@jimhults4916
3 ай бұрын
And his left QiVon aches every time his ship hits warp eight.
@jamesveronese6519
Жыл бұрын
Haven’t seen Star Trek before but this is just lovely. I wish more real people were like this guy.
@Aerogosa
2 жыл бұрын
And that, phobes, is how easy it is to be a trans ally.
@tookitogo
Жыл бұрын
This is one of many scenes that makes Jadzia Dax my favorite Star Trek character, period.
@SofeandoConNuggie
3 жыл бұрын
Beautifull
@dannytheman1313
7 ай бұрын
Alt Right dudes: I'm not watching Star Wars anymore they have gay people in it I'm switching to Star Trek Star Trek: Jadzia my beloved old friend!
@catgirl_eva
6 ай бұрын
Don't tell them about Discovery.
@dannytheman1313
4 ай бұрын
@@catgirl_eva I never watched Discovery I heard the plot kind of goes all over the place, what happened?
@tylercoulombe4728
6 күн бұрын
TOS had people of different ancestry and gender and race all together and people were offended by it. Star Trek has always been woke.
@drxshock6957
2 жыл бұрын
This is Kor Kor does not use deadnames Be like Kor
@yourpalfred
6 ай бұрын
This scene was ahead of its time in MULTIPLE ways 😭
@CountTentacula
9 ай бұрын
I know next to nothing of Star Trek, but MAN, was this a delight to see, a real beauty of a moment.
@jimhults4916
3 ай бұрын
We left our Ghoptu to Kor.
@psikot
Жыл бұрын
Star Trek showed people how to talk to trans people better in the 90s than most shows have ever done. Cowardly TV execs. How does it feel to be owned from 30 years ago?
@tookitogo
Жыл бұрын
What’s amazing is that they managed to do it, 30 years ago, right under the noses of network execs (and showrunners!!) who were very much anti-LGBT!
@SHERMANDS9FAN
Жыл бұрын
Jadzia not trans though, her and Curzon two completed different individuals
@tookitogo
Жыл бұрын
@@SHERMANDS9FAN Ummmm, no, definitely not “completely different individuals”. But either way, it’s an allegory, not a direct depiction.
@davidioanhedges
Жыл бұрын
His old friend is now Jadzia ... but still Dax ... that's close enough for a Klingon ... it should be close enough for you ...
@iLikeToHitThings
7 ай бұрын
Such a kickass episode and such a wholesome scene ❤️
@muffincrumbss
6 ай бұрын
EVEN KLINGONS GUYS, EVEN KLINGONS ACCEPT PEOPLE FOR WHO THEY ARE.
@danielwilliamson6180
2 жыл бұрын
Great episode.
@Wizardof
Ай бұрын
How did this Verad not show up in the Zhantarah ceremony?
@jimhults4916
3 ай бұрын
I who was Jim'Jurok lift my ghoptu to you.
@Wizardof
Ай бұрын
QiVonaches!!!
@blaireofhylia1572
Жыл бұрын
I'm squeeing
@jh4271
Жыл бұрын
Star trek invented/predicted smart phones
@salukidc
Жыл бұрын
It's that easy
@targetseeker
9 ай бұрын
Wait, is Dax basically the Avatar?
@ff3player
7 ай бұрын
No Jadzia has a symbiont named Dax that holds the memoires of its pervious hosts
@targetseeker
7 ай бұрын
@@ff3player I know, t'was a joke (Dax did it first and better anyway).
@missleeogilvieraygaal
Жыл бұрын
Go to bed old man.
@katherineelizabeth3608
2 жыл бұрын
Hey conservatives.. see respecting pronouns and name changes isn't that hard.
@vnixned2
2 жыл бұрын
And we're talking Klingons here, they're about as reactionary and imperialistic as they get in sci fi! Yet even someone like Kor, a member of the 0.01% a member of the High Nobility, treats his friend that way and whilst drunk off of his arse takes his two seconds, and then accepts the new names and pronouns!
@Lady_in_Yearning
2 жыл бұрын
And it isn't new, either
@jamesxiaolong2199
2 жыл бұрын
They didn’t struggle with Charlie Sheen or John Wayne.
@SHERMANDS9FAN
Жыл бұрын
Jadzia didn't say anything about pronouns
@tookitogo
Жыл бұрын
@@SHERMANDS9FAN You didn’t watch the whole series, did you? Because Ezri _did_ call out Sisko for that.
@Cyberium
Жыл бұрын
Can't blame Kor. If your best friend suddeny became sexually attractive, that makes them partner material.
@ace9848
11 ай бұрын
Reading the comments I don't see a connection with trans stuff we are humans and we don't have symbionts in our bodies like the Trills and even them they don't change their sex but it's the symbiont that changes the host saying you have a new personality without a symbiont is basically saying you have a multi-personality disorder
@tylercoulombe4728
6 күн бұрын
coming out as trans isnt a new personallity, it is showing the world ones full personality. Doese that clear things up??
@ace9848
6 күн бұрын
@@tylercoulombe4728 so everyone should transition to show the world their full personality? That's bs An apple is an apple and doesn't have to try to become a pear to prove it's an apple. Even tho trying is a further proof of its original state as an apple. Quit this bs
@javonyounger5107
Жыл бұрын
I don't know why people are asking this as a trans thing; the show is pretty adamant that while she has Curzon's memories, Jadzia is a separate individual. Like if one used a device or method to transfer their memories to someone of the opposite sex and they still identified as their birth sex and kept their birth name, I don't think most would consider that person to be trans.
@AmyNumberSeven
Жыл бұрын
Same reason autistic people vibe with Data. It's not a perfect 1:1 kinda thing, but seeing it in that light gets across the crucial message.
@ff3player
Жыл бұрын
Don't ruin this with your Rainbow Nazi crap.
@Alexander-tu3iv
Жыл бұрын
It's an allegory.
@zibafu
5 ай бұрын
I agree, people want it to be a trans thing, but its not remotely the same, people are just reaching and trying to retcon it.
@maxgrady317
5 ай бұрын
cope harder
@felixkisling8841
Жыл бұрын
I do not quite know what any of this has to do with trans people to be honest. The trill are an alien species after all and it is their distinctive ability that they can be joined by a certain symbiant creature. The whole comparison is quite ridiculous. It's akin to finding a lizard that can reproduce without sexual intercourse and then say, that proves humans also do not need a partner to reproduce. And if you want to tell me that it is a metaphor for tanssexuals being no different from others in the future, please tell me where you can find trans people in the star trek lore. They kept the whole debate out of their shows,at least for now, which I see as a very prudent decision.
@OrdinarilyBob
Жыл бұрын
I am not trans, but I do consider myself an ally, so let me take a shot at an explanation... Part of the problem with Talking about a Hot Topic is that people get revved up about the Topic before they even get to the Talking part. For example, Racism. If I even start mentioning, for instance, Blacks vs. Whites, people start talking White Power or Black Power, Slavery, Reparations, this Cop Shooting or that Lynching, BLM or All Lives Matter or this or that, etc etc etc. I'm not saying those aren't valid points, or that they shouldn't be worked out, but because they ARE so emotional/stressful, we're worked up and we still haven't got to really TALKING. But if you tell a story about an alien race and you frame the story in a way that might show the foolishness of bigotry, you might get through. Take the TOS episode "Let that be your Last Battlefield". Now, I don't remember all the details, but the gist was that there was a Black/White alien race that hated a White/Black alien race and vice versa. They had suffered years of war/tribulations because of the colors of their skins. The All-Inclusive Federation comes in and can't understand what is all the fuss. And since the show is written with the Feds as the protagonists, it's easy for real life humans of either White or Black persuasion to not think of themselves as either, but simply to think of themselves as the The Noble Good Guy Humans. And without getting heated up over the idea of Racism, they might just realize that from the Outside, those aliens are the same except for some minor, irrelevant differences. Maybe, just maybe, they'll realize our real life skin color differences aren't that important either... In short, the more their hearts and minds are opened, the more they are exposed to Acceptance, the more likely they are to not be racists in real life. So in this case, instead of racism, the allegory of the aliens here is that one alien can accept the sex change of another alien with grace and laughter. It's still Kor's old friend Dax. Male/Female, Curzon or Jadzia, doesn't matter. Here sci-fi hides away the Hot Topic portions of Trans under symbiotes and space Vikings and their epic capers, in the hopes that Acceptance will be the message you hear without even realizing it. The problem with Bad sci-fi (like a lot of Nu-Trek) is that modern writers get super heavy-handed with their Woke story telling. It's all about Social Justice "Look at Me" Virtue Flag Waving. If they were more subtle, they could probably get their Agendas out to more people.
@tookitogo
Жыл бұрын
1. You need to understand what an allegory is. 2. They did have several characters that could be understood as allegories for transgender people.
@fartpimpson3843
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit, impossibly stupid. The alien species is SENTIENT and COMPARABLE to humans whereas a lizard is not. Jfc, this is how you watch fiction? Pitiful
@felixkisling8841
Жыл бұрын
@@fartpimpson3843 Well Sir, or probably rather kid judging by your underdeveloped skills in leading a productive, civilised discussion, if you wish to dismantle my point you should come up with a bit more than just a series of insults and talking about sentient creatures. The fact is that trill and humans are different species with distinct biological features, as are lizards and humans. That was the point. Sentience has nothing to do with my argument. So if you want to see this as an allegorie for transsexuals, that is fine with me. I just tried to point out the clear flaw in the logic of said allegorie, which you would probably only follow if you were part of a certain political movement. In my opinion the trill are just a very intriguing concept for a scify species, but it certainly makes no accetable or valid points about our current political debate on transsexuals. But if you only watch scify to find legitimisation for you worldview, thats your decision. But not a very sane one. Have a nice day and please learn how to conduct yourself when leading a discussion.
@fartpimpson3843
Жыл бұрын
@@felixkisling8841 lol consume my doodoo and expire, sealion. No one's got the desire to read your insipid nonsense
@josephenough
Жыл бұрын
This is one episode of all the Trek series episodes that should have Never been made or released to the public. The studio did such an outstanding job creating the Jadzia character. She was so so smart and so full of life in that way. But something died when she Jadzia persued how to take the life of another. She Jadzia created premeditated murder. She deliberately and willfully went out with the sole purpose to murder and killed a man that never harmed her or hers and had nothing to do with her. Neither had it anything to do with being in the line of duty as a sworn in star fleet officer. She forced the worst dreadful, selfish, and unrighteous burden on Commander. B. Sisko. They should have never created her trill character as a host. She would have flourished even without one. They could have brought Dax into a less important trill character. The charcter Jadzia commanded just too great a presence for her to go the way of a 'blood oath' Symbiant.
@rjframe4410
Жыл бұрын
DAX took a blood oath, Dax is part of her, So she accepted that blood oath as a part of her. Its the same as anyone accepting to take on the burdens of their lineage, the son taking on his fathers vengeance, and so on. Some beings take their oaths VERY seriously.
@josephenough
Жыл бұрын
@@rjframe4410 Very well pointed out. But commander Sisko argued on another occasion in a case brought against Dax that you can't convict the young lady Jadzia for crimes carried out by another body. Mind, soul, thoughts and memories is one thing but when and if it turns to a physical act that action can and should like everybody elses be held acoountable under thw law. Jadzia herself pointed out as a mentor to a trill that symmetry between host and symbiant is a must and the latter must not become dominant. Jadzia was a sworn-in federation officer. Sisko had to hold her to that. The other hosts wete not. As Sisko ecplained to Worf 'you can act on a decision but you will be held accountable for the action as a Federation officer" ' when Worf acted not to leave Jadzia behind her being wounded and incapacitated. That action went directly against the command level orders given him. Capt Skisko was a great instructor, teacher and leader.
@irishdc9523
Жыл бұрын
@@josephenough True, but in that episode, Sisko didn't exactly succeed in convincing the hearing that Jadzia Dax was a wholely separate person from Curzon Dax in that sense. It ended because Curzon wasn't guilty of the murder he was charged with. Sure later on, Ezri Dax, though not remarried to Worf, was still recognised as a member of the House of Martok.
@josephenough
Жыл бұрын
@@irishdc9523True. But I guess. it really boils down to where does ones ultimate loyalty lie. Kira was constantly faced to make uncomfortable and extremely difficult decisions around matters of loyalty. A thought of hers regarding her own married mother carrying out certain deeds: Sisko " It was her decision to make" Kira " yeah, but that still doesn't make it right". Her character growth saw her challenge set rules and even oathes as she would try to bring things into proper view. She would confide in Sisko or Odo for a listening ear.. Never Jadzia. She was the science officer. About as book smart as one could be. Living lifetimes only equates to numbers, not wisdom. Both friend and foe came to highly respect her Kira. Jadzia was so beautiful and brilliant and so full of life..not talking the Symbian lives but the energy of the radiant young officer.
@95DarkFire
9 ай бұрын
For the love of the prophet's, stop it with the Trans comments! Jadizia is NOT "trans", she is a REAL woman with the memories of other people.
@jordanloux3883
8 ай бұрын
There's this great thing called a 'metaphor.' Might want to look into those.
@maxgrady317
5 ай бұрын
awww poor guy. need some hugs to make u feel better about a metaphor? cope harder
@95DarkFire
5 ай бұрын
@@maxgrady317 There is no "metaphor", just narrow-minded people forcing their ideology onto a story.
@burnkern
4 ай бұрын
@@95DarkFire happy trans day of visibility mate
@tylercoulombe4728
6 күн бұрын
@@95DarkFiretransphobes are narrow minded ffs you are confused.
@taunter8856
2 жыл бұрын
I've been reading in the comments, people talking about trans rights and such, saying that people should be more like Kor and accepting the change. However, let me point out why this situation should not be compared with transitioning.. Very carefully selected Trill carry symbiotes, in which contains the memories of the previous host, the idea is to carry on the life of the symbiote through the host, thus, each new host can experience and retain those memories of their previous host, feelings of those memories will be retained as well, but primarily continuing on the life of the symbiote is of the utmost importance. When Kor accepted the change from Curzon to Jadzia, no doubt he knew of the Trill species and the continuation of The symbiote and everything that goes with it. I implore anyone who reads this to consider the difference, Because this is not transgenderism, no doubt it is fictional, but it is retained in the fiction of Star Trek, which in essence, is factual to Star Trek Lore.
@corvidpica
2 жыл бұрын
So...the symbiote is genderfluid, or even something similar to two spirit (though this is indigenous so I hesitate to use this unless there is a broader term). 🤷♀️ Otherwise, as its own sentient being independent of the host, and *assuming* this part of course because this show isn't real, they would have a preferred pronoun for communication regardless of the host. Even if that is "they". Some individuals that are genderfluid/genderqueer/gender non-comforming also consider themselves trans, so this returns us to, "Jadzia is trans (or genderfluid if she prefers)". It hurts no one to respect chosen names and pronouns, fictional or not. You might consider that before trying to take a wholesome, positive moment from people who get so little in terms of representation and relatable experiences with a technicality that can confirm or deny neither of us.
@PictureThisNewMedia
2 жыл бұрын
@@corvidpica its still wholesome in the star trek lore friendly explanation.. the op of this comment isn’t taking anything away from y’all. Just explaining the actual lore. Symbiotes probably wouldnt know what genderfluid/genderqueer is. All they know is simply survive.
@idrisa7909
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, however Trill are not real and the choice to have Dax's host change from Curzon to Jadzia was intentionally paralleled to being trans. The episode the Trill were introduced in is a trans metaphor as well. As a Trans person, I /like/ that the language used around Jadzia is similar to the language used for me, because it gives people a frame of reference. BTW, Jadiza has been featured on the cover of Trans-focused magazines.
@idrisa7909
2 жыл бұрын
@@PictureThisNewMedia given the "88" in the username I don't have faith that the person who made this comment likes those of us /afflicted/ with "transgenderism" much lmao
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