Btw, Bill and I will be chatting and taking random questions on my stream this Thursday. Subscribe to my streaming channel to view it! KZitem.com/@alphabasic
@MrBillsTunes
Жыл бұрын
letsgooooo
@Roses_R_redeR
Жыл бұрын
I truly want to gain knowledge all's I want is to learn... All I think about in my life is music... I'm a slow learner.. So many blessings Benn. Tell Bill thank you... I look up to him greatly... 🥀⛽️🎭 R. C. G. M. 🔥🙏🔥 🪕🎻🎚🎛🎹
@rpocc
Жыл бұрын
I think the drop is interesting for a prepared listener, like a musician or producer because we can instantly dissolve the whole into elements and celebrate separate great parts whether it’s the rhythm or interesting sound or an original sequence, etc. I found your drop original, but it didn’t make me headbanging and I’m not sure if it simply does fit the rest of the song in it’s mood. The main part is very calm like a straightforward 4/4 phlegmatic don’t-give-a-fk-about-me music in a small hipster basement restaurant chill-out, filled with dark ultraviolet, tinned 25yo bare belly girls, bearded guys and alternatively pronounced persons on leather couches, but then suddenly comes close but unfocused, disorienting 6/8 part, full of changes every beat and even rhythm fairly overcomplicated with rudiments and fills. At the same time it’s not powerfull enough to brake a muscle car subwoofer or raise up a doped junkie into random convulsive dance and scratching their teeth, so probably it’s not a club sound, rather something analytic, but probably in this case I’d prefer some random modular piece by Richard Devine or something like that.
@boydw1
Жыл бұрын
The problem with dubstep is, no matter how well you make it, it's still dubstep.
@jtwee6590
Жыл бұрын
i'd like to take a general reproduction of your pre-drop vibe and give it a drop that might rate better than a 4...
@Emily_M81
Жыл бұрын
Skrillex: DROP THE BASS Benn: HOW?!
@CyPhaSaRin
Жыл бұрын
Korn: STFU GET UP! you don't think you just groooove :P
@connoraltizer9240
27 күн бұрын
That was Emalkay haha
@projectnitefall8058
Жыл бұрын
Mr Bill is insane at music production. His samples and glitch effects and foley are so uniquely him that I can't help but appreciate him as an artist.
@TheInternetIsDeadToMe
Жыл бұрын
That story about Mr. Bill painstakingly reconstructing one of Benn’s tracks for a uni assignment is hilarious. I bet he waited all this time to trash Benn’s drop. Great video guys. Funny stuff.
@andyto629
Жыл бұрын
Bill and Ben are saints
@cameronl2760
Жыл бұрын
did mr bill release it anywhere?
@EvoAuxilium
Жыл бұрын
The drop was really sick but to me felt a bit disjointed from the other portions of the track (which sounded utterly sublime). Huge respect for sharing this journey with us. Got me feeling very inspired. Thanks for what you do.
@Eidraify
Жыл бұрын
i thought mr bill would teach you and you'd make a second one
@FaithInTheGlitch
Жыл бұрын
Same. I felt like this was half a video. Make a drop, get mr bill to critique it then apply that to a second attempt.
@stellar_cartographer
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'd love to see a follow up or a collaborative video
@triplestandart7613
Жыл бұрын
Thought the same thing and would love to see it
@Pho7on
Жыл бұрын
Benn got kicked out after the video was over 🤣"How about these night notes motherfucker!"
@axisdev
Жыл бұрын
yes I thought this as well :)
@iagmusicandflying
Жыл бұрын
I laughed my butt off when you said the drop sounded like a Fisher Price toy because I've had the idea in my head for a few months to use "the cow says moo" as part of a funny drop.
@lunarthyme
Жыл бұрын
yes! been awhile since a benn video made me crack up so hard
@xpercipio
Жыл бұрын
there used to be a youtube video of a guy with one of those toys, scratching it like a record over a beat. i cant find it but i wish i could. it was pretty sick
@H3xx1st
Жыл бұрын
DO IT! would love to dance to Fisher price farm.... bowowow the dog says bowowow
@ts4gv
Жыл бұрын
@@H3xx1stlol
@SwishaMane420
Жыл бұрын
Its gotta be wrong tho... "The cow goes bhaaahahahaha"
@BosseCory
Жыл бұрын
Rate Your Drop? I'd say a 6/10. It was incredibly interesting, but it felt very disconnected from the rest of the song. I think there's a certain magic in making a drop that is both surprising and contains elements of the rest of the composition to keep it feeling cohesive.
@tapdaddy69
Жыл бұрын
True. I gotta say, it made my cheap monitors sound about $1000 more than they actually are lol. The sound design on this alone is worth the listen. I liked how it was a lot more rhythmical than most dubstep stuff I hear, and it had really crazy textures. I think it might've been assisted a little more into and out of the track with stuff like a down lifter to bring us back out of it. Maybe a different approach on the pre-drop. But the drop is pretty nuts, I'm for it.
@mcgritty8842
Жыл бұрын
Huh. I think Mr. Bill was being generous and didn’t want to give it a lower score on camera. Everything from the drum pattern to the bass rhythm was offputting and not something one could dance to. Dubstep is a very loose genre, but the kick and snare need to be tight and the bass has to flow. Much respect for trying and posing it on KZitem because making drops can be quite difficult, just like making any kind of music
@27klickslegend
Жыл бұрын
yea lol, more like 3/10, the rest of the song was solid tho. my favorite drops are the huge buildup psytrance ones by Infected Mushroom
@-RAV3N
Жыл бұрын
Yes! this was what it was! It felt off in a lot of parts. I looking for someone to point out what I was feeling in it.
@HealyHQ
Жыл бұрын
Exactly how I felt. It was too disjointed.
@hexial
Жыл бұрын
This video made me think a lot about how to take criticism 🤔 And Benn, you took it like champ. Or maybe more likely, like a professional. This was really eye opening. You allowed yourself to be quite vulnerable in public, and that was probably quite hard. Thank you 🖤 (and I love your music)
@Gregorovitch144
Жыл бұрын
Actually the origin of the drop, as understood today, is in the Jamaican reggae sound systems in late 60's early 70's. It was copied later in hip hop, techno, House etc. The sound systems used big (like very big for the time) home made amps that had internal filters/crossovers routing to three pairs of outputs connected to the treble horns, the mid-range cabinets (mix of 8" and 10" usually) and several 15" and/or 18" bass bins. Each output had a switch to mute it, especially the bass channel. The Selector (what a sound system DJ is called) would on occasion either begin a song with the bass channel off or sometimes switch it off mid track such as immediately after a chorus. Then after letting the track run for a time, usually until a suitable drum fill, they would switch the bass cabs back on. Boom! This was known as "dropping the bass". It's were the term "drop" comes from. So in this respect just as pretty much all of rock 'n roll can be traced back to the delta blues pretty much the whole of electronic dance music can be traced back to the Jamaican dance hall reggae styles.
@harrytuttle5810
Жыл бұрын
This is the truth ! Also where to me the whole brostep thing misses the point is , that in dub and proper dubstep (lol) the sub bass aint just a thing to give some weight to the ear piercing middy synths .It is melodic , driving and quite often the focal point of the song , just pure sub . If a tune works with just the sub and drums its proper.
@thundafellow
Жыл бұрын
@@harrytuttle5810 brostep isn't "missing the point" tho, it's essentially an entirely different genre from dub and classic dubstep.
@thundafellow
Жыл бұрын
@@Neiltrama1 you are entitled to your (wrong) opinion :)
@swarthygiant1463
Жыл бұрын
@harrytuttle5810 I think something interesting is how many brostep guys came from the metal and core scenes, Skrillex being the most obvious example. Breakdowns in metal/core are pretty atonal due to extreme distortion and detuning, but they obviously use the extreme lows same as a bass drop. Biggest thing in a breakdown is a throbbing slow heavy rhythm. This absolutely contextualizes why mr Moore and some of the other guys would come at a bass drop with violent dissonant Atonalaity, and especially with screamy “CALL 911 NOW!!!” type vocalizations
@freashty
Жыл бұрын
Great piece of music history! I don't personally think you can say the "whole of electronic dance music" can be traced back to dance hall reggae since there's plenty of EDM that is arguably more of a descendent of disco and funk, genres that in turn have their own origins in rock, swing, and jazz. The bass drop is just one facet of songwriting and did not become prevalent in house music until influences from techno and hip hop started to influence the scene. There is also a large body of African and Latin dance music and contributing to the development of the Chicago/Detroit club scenes as well as Reggae itself. Dubstep, however, including a large portion of UK electronic and dance music in general, is a direct result of Jamaican soundsystem culture in general - to the point where it's even baked into the name. Beyond just the bass drop, heavy use of tape delay effects and similar engineering techniques taken directly from Dub Reggae were applied heavily to 2-step Garage which is how dubstep was born. Even beyond the writing and engineering, the whole ethos of Dubstep at its point of origin could be said to be inspired primarily if not almost solely by Jamaican culture. Damian Marley collaborating with Skrillex is a full-circle moment for the genre
@chenzenzo
Жыл бұрын
As someone who's made dubstep since its inception and experimented with bass, sound and electronic music for decades, the challenge isn't making dubstep, it's making innovative dubstep. Respect and love!
@georgerosebush9754
Жыл бұрын
It reminds me of learning to play the saxophone, it's easy to play...badly.
@mainpage725
Жыл бұрын
Facts
@HighlyRegardted
Жыл бұрын
True… I was just saying the other day to an old friend that used to be in the scene how I don’t listen to dubstep nearly at all anymore and it used to be one of the biggest genres in my digital library … it felt like there was a lot of innovation in the genre 10+ yrs ago and now it feels repetitive… I’ve basically just gone back to old school dnb / jungle type stuff and this new sub genre “barber beats” thing is okay imo… it’s not necessarily innovative but all the compositional elements I enjoy are there…
@nikodoyon7429
Жыл бұрын
@@HighlyRegardted thats funny, dnb sounds very repetitive to me, as if it havent evoled in the last 10years..
@dannaglia
Жыл бұрын
And then, mixing and mastering it properly to boot.
@bluepixeldoom
Жыл бұрын
Making this video without attending a dubstep show is what is missing. So much of dubstep is how it's enjoyed live.
@DexQ12
Жыл бұрын
very true about edm as a whole, if i played you a techno song through my phone or in the car it’s gonna be weird, but to witness an entire night of it is life changing
@preventablesuffering6239
Жыл бұрын
yeah bro u gotta experience psychologically stunted fratbros and girls who are there to dress slutty outside of halloween and be plastered standing stationary and doing a zombie like "epic headbangtm" & grabbing onto a rail....otherwise you simply wont get it *eyeroll* dubstep reinforces the idea that "dance music" enjoyers dont actually dance. the optics of how those crowds act is worse than ppl sitting on dancefloors at massives getting lightshows. isnt a staple of dubstepfestivals literally dragging a couch onto the dancefloor? disgusting wooks
@LukeLendrum
Жыл бұрын
I rate the video 10/10 The drop though honestly 2/10 It kinda felt like someone doing something they don’t love, like a forced school project, which in a feeling driven genre is the kiss of death. Felt a little rushed and a bit throwaway. All way better than I can make though, obviously. Mr Bill is an all time fave for me and his collab with Virtual Riot, Thwek!, which is only on Soundcloud is maybe my favourite piece of EDM ever.
@codexstudios
Жыл бұрын
I love dubstep. Both the 140 underground UK stuff as well as the aggressive modern sound.
@somatoastmusic
Жыл бұрын
i find it helpful to start the project making the peak of the song, then take bits and pieces from that to write everything else around it. The additional sections remain simpler and maintain relevance to the focus of the song. The song almost puts itself together at that point. It is also much easier to bring the song down and create builds for the "hype" that is already there, rather than attempting to feel fulfilled by a large build you made without knowing what would follow.
@t1merickson
Жыл бұрын
the collab I never expected, but now need. AWESOME
@DecibelMasher
Жыл бұрын
It was one of the drops of all time. The video was fantastic and a pleasant surprise considering previous promises to never make dubstep.
@astrolopitekos
3 ай бұрын
This video made me enjoy ott’s music even more. Really nice way to showcase the complexity of going from an idea to a complete song WHILE building a framework to develop drops etc that feels natural for the producer
@arkarmoethouk2445
Жыл бұрын
Benn is the most technical FL Studio user I've ever seen. Damn ...
@coderaven1107
Жыл бұрын
Seeing his approach vs eliminate is really funny. (Eliminate is also very technical with automations, but just in such a different way :D )
@xn4pl
Жыл бұрын
@@coderaven1107 We got benn making dubstep, now we need eliminate making idm.
@arkarmoethouk2445
Жыл бұрын
@@coderaven1107 Benn was like 'Idk how others do it but I'mma do it my way' haha
@NifesTheCat
Жыл бұрын
@@xn4pl Someone brought up IDM in a recent Eliminate stream and he was like "WTF is that, that can't really be what they call that genre"
@coderaven1107
Жыл бұрын
@@xn4pl This would be soo good :D
@harrytuttle5810
Жыл бұрын
A drop can be as simple as just sub bass coming in with no bells and whistles and over the top build ups , just sub giving the movement and energy. Thats the best kind of drop imo like in lots of dub music.
@DafterHindi
Жыл бұрын
As someone who's learning to make dubstep atm, I can confirm that dubstep is indeed hard to make
@WhatWillYouFind
Жыл бұрын
As an example: People don't give Sonny from Skrillex a lot of credit. He can sing, he is also a capable producer. The thing that made dubstep DROP into the mainstream was the refinement that some of the most popular bands brought to the scene. Bangarang has the guitar rift. The echo and chorus conflicts. Tempo'd and dirty bass reverb. There is a reoccurring motif that each riff or transition into another part of the piece includes duality. It has predictable and yet nasty drum and snare sections that are raw and overtuned but they work because of the mirroring of each part. The thing that also stands out too is that BENN had an amazing introduction section much like skrillex has in some of his songs. The problem occurred because it was disconnected, nothing mirrored or recalled back. There was no conflict or resolution when returning to prior parts. The essence of the drop is there, I actually feel like his DROP was good . . . a bit too clean but it gave me chills. Ironically everything BESIDES the drop needed to be changed? The thing that makes dubstep REAL MUSIC is that it fundamentally in some cases understands the science behind expectations, musical melody and dissonance, and creating an experience as opposed to a product which is why Dubstep became so popular in my opinion . . . it was a refreshing new thing that did a LOT of things right, even if it did assault your ears a bit. :D
@DafterHindi
Жыл бұрын
@@WhatWillYouFind well, his never music has been better than ever, and his newer dubs (like tears) do have a consistent vibe. agree with what you said tho.
@Wam_somp
Жыл бұрын
Been making dubstep since 2016 and I’ll say now it doesn’t get much easier bahaha
@markbuckler4793
Жыл бұрын
I'm a brostep aficionado who loves your work, so thank you! In terms of review I would say that the drop you made is exactly what you described you considered a drop to be in the intro lol. I might suggest introducing additional tension and release within the drop itself, so that it isn't just "lots of sounds all at once" and instead has the sounds play off of each other in a call/response fashion. Seems like Mr. Bill also suggested just doing less. This is awesome, thanks :)
@jonasharp3
8 ай бұрын
I hadn’t heard of Mr, Bill till around 2016 when I saw him at a small, now defunct, Colorado Springs venue, opening for Infected Mushroom. His whole set, my jaw was on the floor. Then afterwards I saw him on the patio smoking, so I walked up and told him how happy his set made me, he just gave me a big hug and we talked about music for a while. He’s a really nice dude, and even more talented.
@defusedhero6561
Жыл бұрын
I’m glad to see my two favorite KZitem music creators working on this video together.
@defusedhero6561
Жыл бұрын
Definitely hope to see more collaboration between the two of you.
@CardfightVanja
Жыл бұрын
"Harmor is nuts.... Harmor is crazy" - I've used it on nearly everything I've made for like a decade and I still sit back and have those moments constantly. Fun video!
@tim3line
Жыл бұрын
Mr. Bill is easily my favorite artist atm and I've been binging your stuff lately too. This is GREAT
@MrBillsTunes
Жыл бұрын
ay ty
@stevenswall
Жыл бұрын
10:37 Love seeing the Kii Three monitors. Those and the Dutch & Dutch 8c are oncredible for gettign accurate bass and mid ass in a room with their room correcrion and cardioid dispersion. Or for a crazy system Genelec has some massive woofer systems that turn their monitors into incredibly capable towers.
@X-101
Жыл бұрын
nonononono the drop comes from Reggae dub versions the producer would drop the beat and while pushing up the feedback knob on a echo let it tail off and then bring the beat in AND it was big in Jungle/DnB before UK Garage(which was basically people who outgrew jungle and started making house produced like a jungle track...) it had nothing to do with any US style of music
@yeshello2528
Жыл бұрын
true, true
@yeshello2528
Жыл бұрын
there was a lot of missing from this vid, which is... well, typical for US.
@stuey95
Жыл бұрын
@BennJordan Big fan of the fish out of water concept dude. Forced play within a genre you find formulaic seems a fun excercise to pull out your unique take, interpretations and influences.
@rowlz2507
Жыл бұрын
Dope video, nice to see someone who doesn’t think modern dubstep is the worst thing that’s ever happened to the world. It’s not like zomboy took burial out back and shot him, both styles can coexist fine
@ThisIsTechToday
Жыл бұрын
Now I want to waste time in Harmor, lol. What do you use for the visualizer of your audio during the song sample at 11:00 ?
@stephenharvey3400
4 ай бұрын
I thought Bill was generous. I have never heard two disparate sections of music bolted together so poorly - I guess it was in time though... the fact that you had a countdown so we didn't miss it was extremely funny.
@nickonfaith_music129
Жыл бұрын
I actually loved the practice drop, all that glitchy, resonancey and rhythmically interesting feedback sounded very cool. Would love to hear a more polished version of that type of sound. Real drop was cool as well but same sentiments as everyone else, a bit disconnected from the prior music. Am not a dubstep producer,/ much of a dubstep listener, but definitely appreciate Mr Bill's artistry, his sound design absolutley blows my mind!
@nickonfaith_music129
Жыл бұрын
by practice drop I mean the one that comes in 5.57
@VenetinOfficial
Жыл бұрын
Okay, so like, I think your practice drop was REALLY smooth, which to that alone I'd give it a 8.5/10. This very alien and DAW-nerdy approach is something I think you should pursue especially in the modern landscape of heavy bass music is a breath of fresh air, especially when the super heavy side of Dubstep is stagnating due to exhausting almost every option to make "heavy" also palatable to a large crowd. This isn't to say you can't do heavy, but you have to do something completely beyond the scope of mainstream heavy bass music to make it hit, which leads to genres like Deathstep, or even Minatory, both older subgenres that utilize much harsher distortion and sound design techniques borrowing from Noise Music and Black Metal. So now I should rate your actual drop since you asked nicely, but I'm going to give it two ratings; the first rating is with the context of the rest of the song. For this, I agree with Mr. Bill and say it's a 4/10. The smooth and chill IDM atmosphere was set up perfectly and you could've easily lead into a drop that utilized the logic of the previous section as your strength for a more Dubstep-y drop while still keeping that IDM feel, but like the other comments have suggested, you failed to pull the idea through the drop and it feels very isolated from the rest of the track. That being said, though, I want to judge the drop PURELY on its own and with that I say, in complete isolation it's closer to a 7/10, because the approach was, again, that very alien, very DAW-nerdy approach that is your biggest strength, and it sounded incredibly original and shows that even if you never did Dubstep before, you can easily bring new ideas to the table without much issue. With a little bit of studio time to practice making buildups and having whatever ideas you constructed in the buildup carry through the drop, you could very easily become a new Dubstep artist alongside your IDM work. This video reminds me that there's quite a lot of people that come from outside of Dubstep to work within the genre as a test of their skills as a producer. Most notably are Drum n Bass producers, who especially utilize their precise and tight sound design and ear for musical arrangement to make something a lot more complex in their approach to Dubstep. Killsonik's "Never Dream Of Dying" is my favorite example, because it still very much has that DnB edge (dark atmosphere, smooth flows, dynamic bass expression in both pitch and modulation), but utilizes the foundations of Dubstep to facilitate that feeling (big half-time drums, aggressive basses, stops for effect). I've seen Eurobeat artists show their hand when it comes to Dubstep, too, most notably to me is Odyssey Eurobeat, especially when she blends the more 2015 Brostep style into her normal production to accentuate the upbeat, driving nature of Eurobeat itself, to which I say "Terminal" or "Crow Attack" work as good examples of that. I mention this, because I am excited to see you continue your journey in learning how to transform IDM into Dubstep without sacrificing that particular bleeding-edge tone. TL;DR, IDM Dubstep hybrid had enormous potential, and sticking to that will bump a 4/10 drop possibly all the way to a 10/10 drop. Don't sacrifice what you're best at when creating music in unfamiliar territories. Also, Dubstep from non-Dubstep artists is actually really interesting and a field people should explore more. I want to see a follow-up down the road where you take Mr. Bill's advice as well as the other comments here for a second attempt.
@MutleeIsTheAntiGod
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a "how to" mini video on your automation process in FL studio. The video was great and the Mr.Bill story was amazing, worth the build up itself.
@lightweissdnb
Жыл бұрын
I kinda agree with the less note in dubstep/bass music concept, and I think the reason for that mainly bc the bass music producer tend to design their bass with amount of overtones harmonically, and also I would like to point out that for bass music producers, it normally requires a lot of music theory as well(for good producers), and the reason behind that is they have to make sure the sound that they create did actually fit with the content, and that’s really difficult to get. Other than that, really good vids, I truly enjoy the track you made, big up mate!
@ITGAlex
Жыл бұрын
you say you've never made a beat drop before but one of my earliest musical memories was getting chills when the chaotic drum section in kirlian shores hit
@shongbrl
Жыл бұрын
ngl I LOVE THIS VIDEO other than people in their mid 20s like me, working on basses and sound design- its soothing to watch someone like Benn working on dubsteppppp!
@SinfulCreature
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, Benn. I rate your drop a 6/10! It wasn't bad by any means and was enjoyable to listen to, but it felt less like a bass drop and almost like a drum solo? When I think of a drop I think of a portion of a song that changes tone on a dime but can be faded, transitioned or otherwise blend harmonically back to what the song was prior to the drop occurring for a more cohesive listening experience. As someone who is horrible at making music but slowly learning themselves it was very cool to see the process, thanks for sharing!
@ZipSnipe
5 ай бұрын
Every musician needs a friend like Bill to put you back into reality Benn as far as the drop go I agree with Bill the energy was not there but the sound creation was spot on, loved it !!!!
@slimyelow
3 ай бұрын
The drop releases an ambush wave of serotonin while the mdma is already kickin' in full force. - it is the best feelin' ever
@olivejun6641
Жыл бұрын
This is such a highlight of your channel! Really appreciate your vulnerability and stories
@ToxicFruitSnack
Жыл бұрын
Bass drops are the hardest things to make in dubstep. It’s crazy and one of my main stressors in music production lol
@RyanCacophony
Жыл бұрын
As a former dubstep/brostep producer (I'm posting under my "real" name which is disconnected entirely from that career - I have a couple of tracks with millions of plays in dubstep from the 2010-2013 era), and long time flashbulb fan, this was an incredibly entertaining video to watch. No offense intended, but that drop was total ass, but I can see what you were trying to do with it - it's difficult to thread the needle between satisfying your desires as a musician (ie wanting to write "music musicians") and also satisfying the requirements for a satisfying drop - they are often at odds with each other. I have faith that if you worked at it, you could create some really cool stuff in the genre, but I also think your lack of motivation towards drop-based music makes that unlikely. The Fisher Price note was on point. Producing dubstep actually burnt me out - I spent so much time refining and painstakingly working to get the stuff right, and in the end, you realize all dubstep is like imminently replacable/interchangable. What Mr. Bill said is right, drops have a very short lifecycle before everyone's hunting for the next big one. That means you put in a ton of effort for very little payoff in the end, and it also painted my career at the time into a corner. In any case, what a lovely video. I would have loved to see Mr Bill take a stab at reworking it/re-producing your concept into a polished product - I think there's a lot of insight that could be gleaned from that.
@orryfishburne5326
Жыл бұрын
I saw Mr Bill years and years ago (probably around 2015) at a small venue in Colorado Springs. The venue was an old strip club converted into a venue. He was acting as the performing artist and mix engineer and his mix was one of, if not the best live mix i have ever heard. Everything was extremely tight and well balanced.
@SeventhElement
Жыл бұрын
The drop wasn't where it needed to be, but it reminded me of some of your stuff from Hardscrabble and honestly? I'm here for it
@matheusrocha5596
Жыл бұрын
I always thought the track "The Bridgeport Run" from the Hardscrabble album by Benn had some amazing drops, though one could argue it lacks the very predictable buildups. Watching this video felt like seeing a Benn that forgot something he could do really well.
@MrShay2077
Жыл бұрын
Mr. Bill was pretty accurate in his score imo. I also gave it a 4/10. Musically, I think your style is closer to someone like Kaskade or more chill step artists. Maybe looking into those types of artists for drop inspirations would give you a better direction to include drops into your style of music going forward if you so choose.
@prod_aldea
Жыл бұрын
My dad worked with your mother in chicago, i met you a couple times and it’s wild you came across my suggested videos.
@MG-jn6vl
Жыл бұрын
Nice to see another fellow N. Georgian. I really enjoy your channel. Just found it recently.
@apotheosisofficial5824
5 ай бұрын
That description of modern dubstep had me in tears. It's so spot on. And not just modern dubstep. It has been a cheap derivative from the start. It was lightweight and cheap Warp Records glitch, stutter and time signature switch tricks meets Garage and 2step which had been around for a decade. It was dumbing down for a dumb audience. And it's the same with EDM. I mean, fuck snare rushes! We've been sick of them since the late 90s. And now it's pretty much staple in EDM to have the crappiest, most cringy snare rushes coupled with the most appalling stutters. And the fact that it is standard is proof that it's trash music for trash people.
@kevinlasher2812
Жыл бұрын
2:55 As a self-proclaimed "dubstep hipster" who "liked it before it got mainstream" in the US, it's alright and you're not wrong. It seems that once a major industry corporate player gets ahold of something new, it goes through a sort of "junk food-ification" and that's absolutely what a lot of it sounded like - baby music for big lost boys. I'm excited to see how y'all blend your EDM signature style with my guilty pleasure, obnoxious dubstep and industrial bass. edit: okay you know i love you but that first drop needs work but I'm so happy you tried
@Jezro
Жыл бұрын
dude, we need you to release the song you made here. i friggin loved it
@everestjarvik5502
5 ай бұрын
Not bad for a first drop! I’ve been trying to learn to make bass drops for the last year or so and your first one was on par with maybe my tenth one. If you wanted to keep at it I bet you could get really good
@rorymartin4910
Жыл бұрын
As a dialogue sound editor and post production mixer, may I congratulate you on the cut away to the rain outside to "justify" the sound of rain on the roof! The number of times I've wished editors would do that so that I didn't have to try and denoise the sync dialogue is ridiculous! By having that one cutaway shot allows the viewer to "accept" that background "noise"
@azido
Жыл бұрын
love your stuff Ben! had no idea Slicex had it's own p-roll like FPC.
@VacancyOfDisco
Жыл бұрын
i dig the exploration into the uncomfortable when it comes to learning new production skills. You may not be cramming a drop into every singel song going forward, but you might end up using some of those ideas within other contexts in your music. that why i like remixing. because i get to dissect somebody else's production style and work around choices they have made.
@tomisawol
Жыл бұрын
The fact you can make a song that catchy in a day or however long you spent is insane. The practice drop was pretty cool I thought, and yeah the real drop was a little weird and sounds like a collection of noises and not a repeatable pattern you can get behind and dance to, but the rest of the tune I love...would love to hear an improved version.
@PrinceWesterburg
Жыл бұрын
The drop is interesting but the start is where it jumps genre completely, I couldn't believe these where the same track. Once the drop gets going it is interesting though.
@PettenVeevo
Жыл бұрын
nice take on it! It is so nice to see a deep dive from a pro american producer point of view into something that we brits kinda grew up and grew into!
@hakarthemage
11 ай бұрын
I think the best example of tension and release I've heard is Eric Prydz - Opus. The buildup goes way longer than you think it should do so that when the release kicks in, you feel it more.
@nicktefft6225
Жыл бұрын
I really love seeing you actually using FL and doing weird stuff in the DAW, I learned more from that FL21 video than in most tutorials
@hogibunz834
5 ай бұрын
Been an intentional consumer of heavy electronic music for over 10 years now. It made it so happy to see you bring Mr. Bill into this, such an incredible and underrated artist. Very fun and funny to hear you attempt to make music like this. It was interesting to see how you approached it with your own experience with music. Glad you enjoyed it and now have a little more respect for it. I will say though, I feel like a lot of very modern dubstep has lost its way. Feels heavy for the sake of being heavy, void of soul, overly repetitive, and boring. I know a lot of people in the scene agree with my sentiment. Makes me happy to see artists such as Mr Bill who make very complex, colorful, and experimental music. Bringing variety and vibrancy to contrast the formulaic modern sound.
@smrqunofficial
Жыл бұрын
When I was in high school I had a music theory assignment where I had to incorporate some element or other that we were learning about into a piece of music. I started writing a song, got about 80% of the way into it, remembered what the assignment was, jammed in a quick modulation or whatever, and finished it off with the satisfaction of an assignment completed. Your drop sounded like that. 3/10, but at least an A- on the homework since you fulfilled the requirements.
@Hotswagle7
Жыл бұрын
reminds me so much of my earliest days in production. doing so much automation and work for crappy payoffs. funny how the real magic comes in "less is more", but using the correct "less"
@TommyTheCollector
Жыл бұрын
I know you're a Polyend guy, the Tracker is phenomenal for chopping out dubstep drops. I haven't used the Play yet, but I bet there's some killer experiments waiting in that thing for drops too.
@Vilendank
Жыл бұрын
There's a build up then a fall off, but it never lands and falls apart so the lead-out which sounds like it's carrying the broken pieces doesn't make any sense b/c the pieces don't have any relation to what was building up
@duositex
Жыл бұрын
The video is fantastic but the drop is a 5/10. You had some amazing things happening melodically from the vocal sample, but I found myself disappointed that none of that harmonic content was present in the drop. It was like smelling a cup of very good coffee, then taking a sip and finding out it tasted like Mountain Dew.
@oninoodle7916
Жыл бұрын
That’s the thing. You gotta feel it in your soul, you gotta make something that will get you excited and bang your head.
@viridianloom
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if certain aspects of metal music elicit the same brain activity that a drop does. One that comes to mind is the build up after the intro of Flying Whales where you know it's about to slam and get heavy but you're just sitting in anticipation waiting for that signal from the drums which lead into it.
@Flojer0
Жыл бұрын
On a healthy 2.1 setup this video is real fun. Going from "spoken word" do bass drop back and forth is fun to watch
@genomexp
Жыл бұрын
Pegboard Nerds - 20K Dirtyphonics & Sullivan King - Hammer Feed Me - The Spell Knife Party - Bonfire Zomboy - Skull 'n' Bones Seven Lions - Without You My Love (Trivecta Remix) Spectral saturation, excitement, melody and harmony tightly bound to highlight the percussion, the concepts from linear drumming re-applied to all the instrumentation so each one gets to briefly shine, they compete less for mix space, they pop back out in rhythmic ways your mind can predict. The bottom of a drop is home for a track with a good one, because it's a cornucopia of all of the song's elements and themes brought out in a construct. It's taking a bite of everything on the plate at once, and it's delicious. What's not to like?
@deathlydarkness
2 ай бұрын
Glad you showed Burial in this video.
@marcvought
Жыл бұрын
I liked the beginning in the end, The breakdown in the middle didn’t quite work for me. But I see where you were going with it. I give it a four also. That said, I couldn’t do it myself. Kudos to you. At least you got the night notes.
@tjwillson
Жыл бұрын
would be super cool to see you get in the studio with Au5. he has extremely technical knowledge you would appreciate for the engineering side, but also manages to be extremely expressive with instrumentation and song structure.
@alexanderlane
Жыл бұрын
I think more like a 5 or 6, particularly for interestingness, but it kinda felt like the beat was lost for a moment, not just dropped, if that makes sense. I remember trying one time and realizing I had absolutely zero clue how to even do this though. Props for trying something new!
@Rivalofficial
Жыл бұрын
10/10 for creativity, there's no way I could dance to it or remember it at all though haha
@yfactorx1082
10 ай бұрын
I feel it was sick, a Ben Jordan twist. That song was amazing . First time I heard your music, the intro was very beautiful And the drop had surprise, like no vocal chop to introduce the drop, I could totally tell that was by design, how the drop came in , as far as timing was all surprising and by design. Stay inspired bro you got skills
@ettoremariotti4280
Жыл бұрын
The drop felt 4.5, but the buildup is crazy good, at least an 8! I think that if there was a "leading bass" with a simple groove in forerfront with the other crazy sound in the background could have lead to a great piece. Feels like an unpolished diamond
@JamesOKeefe-US
Жыл бұрын
I love dubstep and brostep as a guilty pleasure :) Awesome collab and appreciate it Benn!! I can't begin to rate your drop because everything you do is so much better than my garbage :)
@SnapImaX
Жыл бұрын
That incredible unbeatable feeling when you got the night notes
@slimyelow
3 ай бұрын
Making Tech House drops is the most fun, right after nailing the groove. If I get serotonin squirts when workin' the track in the studio, I know it's right. - SY
@LazerMage77
3 ай бұрын
This guy is a researcher in the 1st degree, who happens to be a musician as well. I hope and pray we have these types in Cancer, Alzheimer's, ALS and other major medical-type issues. Pure genius and a wonder to behold.
@slunkzilla
Жыл бұрын
Damn, why is audio so bad in this video? The low end hum first, then crazy hiss when you’re in FL. You’re making it hard to get through this very interesting video Benn hahaha
@DerekRobertsteig
Жыл бұрын
When I saw this video pop out, I knew it'd be a good one. Always cool to see you branching out and doing the new things! :) Cheers, it was a fun watch! The drop was alright too, I guess. I'm gonna "Fantano" it at a "Decent 5"
@FunFreakeyy
Жыл бұрын
"All my homies hate skrillex" is a great video about what most people know as dubstep/brostep vs the uk underground dubstep. Your drop reminds me of Amon Tobin or Venetian Snares, not bad but more like IDM.
@squarelanguage
Жыл бұрын
Do appreciate the calming piano half way through the video
@sonicase
Жыл бұрын
i haven't listened to all of your music but i do remember in "undiscovered colors" at 3:28 you do a tape stop and then continue on the beat, so it's sort of like a drop and i see it as the climax of that video. in this, the build up was fine but i think in drops, you really want to feel just the basic rhythm and like what mr. bill said, like some wub wub in time with the beat. maybe you could do something tricky with the lfo and sidechained beats but still keep the main beat prominent. like put the crazy stuff in between the main beat and have an overall wubwub/sidechainey thing.
@patch6306
Жыл бұрын
I seem to recall you saying that “Hardscrabble” started when you tried making some dubstep as a joke. I guess I’ve always seen that album as on the cusp of that genre.
@shinyisshiny7780
Жыл бұрын
also, the 2007 uk bass drop, you absolutely can get away with that now. eprom and some other similar artist are still doing that sound. often times simpler is better. the crowd will always love that shit too.
@Whally
Жыл бұрын
I have loved a big amount of your tracks. I think you are bad trying to do what other do. Your IDM, piano wibe, incredible sound design are excellent. Anyway, great video. 👌
@silverXnoise
Жыл бұрын
My favorite description of dubstep was “it sounds like fax machines fucking”.
@sammantixgm
Жыл бұрын
I think a good place to look for how to do a drop in your style might be to look at a cappella groups and how they handle songs that have drop elements. They tend to use parts of the song lyrics and harmonies in interesting ways to create the drop effect without as many of the tools a producer with synths and automation functionality has.
@Joobie
Жыл бұрын
I like the song you ended up with. It had the harmony and sweetness that a lot of EDM is missing for me. It's generally the reason I have a disinterest in the genre, just not much in the way of harmony there.
@everthealtruist
Жыл бұрын
Mr. Bill's Electrocado album, The Shephard tone changed my life. The finest glitch hop I've ever heard.
@dystopiannoise6782
Жыл бұрын
Respect, loved it 9! I highly recommend the tutorials of Black Sun Empire and Joe Ford
@Studio271
Жыл бұрын
Your Drop was actually a good 7/11 for me, I actually had a good dopamine rush from the whole thing! Thank you!
@itsjonathanwade
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure I served you coffee at Octane. . . Just stumbled across your videos as I try to learn how to make music! Stellar vid. Good resource. Thanks a lot
@oe3phen
Жыл бұрын
Woah I listened the hell out of that Burial CD and haven't thought about it since I lost my old ipod in like 2011. Thank you for that 😹
@Grompulous
Жыл бұрын
You should try to do a Dubstep drop on the style of "Rules of the dance - Kahn remix" or "Head Top - DE-TÜ". Something a bit more restrained and on the deep end. Also your track Monolite has all the ingredients to a big drop what if you re arranged that into a VIP mix 🤷♀️ Good video as usual Benn
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