It was a great scene, and it made sense. Shaddam was pissed with Baron Harkonnen for not killing the guy who just challenged him and not knowing that Southern Arrakis was inhabited by humans.
@funtecstudiovideos4102
2 ай бұрын
In books emperor mock Baron after arrival and start geonocide of Fremen 😅
@Dookieman1975
2 ай бұрын
“Goddam u guys controlled and lived there for how long and u couldn’t find anyone in the south”
@lebien4554
2 ай бұрын
We all expected the Baron to bow to the Emperor, that's standard courtesy. But him going lower and lower, his spine suspendor clicking from the strain until his face touches the floor is truly humiliating. I like that we share his newphews' shock, their look of "oh crap, this won't end well", they couldn't believe their eyes 😂
@immortaljanus
2 ай бұрын
The moment Shaddam got Paul's challenge, he knew that the Baron lied to him about successfully wiping out the Atreides. And the Baron didn't know that it was Paul who was messing with his spice production, nor did he know that Paul sent a challenge directly to Shaddam.
@jonathanlayne-gordon9007
2 ай бұрын
The shot following of the Barron's body tossed out in the sand being swarmed with ants was so satisfying
@samfilmkid
2 ай бұрын
Like that the music playing when Paul kills him is the same that played during Duncan Idaho's death scene. Really highlights the revenge aspect while also giving the sense Arrakis is just trading one tyrant for another.
@KRISTIANITY_
2 ай бұрын
I didn't remember the music at all, Duncan from the first film was really forgettable for me. And forget him I totally did.
@PaganMinDNW
2 ай бұрын
It's the same music that played during Leto's death, too.
@peterstedman6140
2 ай бұрын
And the music that played during the Atreides' sack of Arrakis in Part 2 has several cool callbacks to Armada and Burning Palms from the first movie (that played during the Harkonnen/Sardaukar attack).
@brotherjohnnyxXxX
2 ай бұрын
@@KRISTIANITY_One of the most memorable moments of part one is when Duncan confronts Kynes after the fall of House Atreides. His line delivery is very powerful. Duncan Idaho: Kynes! Dr. Liet Kynes: It's not safe for you here. Duncan Idaho: Will you tell the Great Houses of the Landsraad how we were betrayed? How the best of them were murdered? Dr. Liet Kynes: I am commanded to say nothing. To see nothing. Duncan Idaho: The Emperor sent us here to die.
@nighthawk_2k827
2 ай бұрын
It could have also been a political move. The Emperor assisted the Baron in his attack on the Atreides, much more covert than in the book were he lands an entire legion of Sardaukar while in the film it’s only 3 battalions. Meaning there is an actual chance that only he, his Sardaukars and the Baron with some Harkonnen officers really knowing about it. In the film his act is framed as a enormous crime, since he doesn’t even tells his heir about it. Therefore it would make sense (especially for the very calculating and pragmatic film version) of the Emperor to wanting to kill the Baron as soon as possible and maybe not just beating him up,and since he immediately accepts Feyd-Rautha as his champion, it could be that he is familiar with him, probably through the Bene Gesserit, who could then control the next Harkonnen patriarch
@KRISTIANITY_
2 ай бұрын
Good point!
@ALV694
2 ай бұрын
But the emperor came to arakis to finish the job, as the emperor was pissed that Paul literally sent him a message
@centurion8446
2 ай бұрын
Yeah in the book Emperor starts calling Atreides the Barons ally publicly so he is clearly looking to throw him under the bus and being political. Movie scene is similar but different way, eg framing Baron as having dereliction of duty
@ScottVanArtsdalen
2 ай бұрын
Can we talk about how bad-ass the movie version of Stilgar was? That casting was PERFECT! His dipiction of Stilgar was PERFECT!
@n.nasanguanahano818
2 ай бұрын
Yes, Bardem was awesome. It is a shame that DV wanted Movie-Stilgar being transformed into a dumb fool.
@andrefigueredo34
2 ай бұрын
As it was written
@greghight954
2 ай бұрын
His acting was A+ but the Fremen were wire thin.
@tomitiustritus6672
2 ай бұрын
One detail i liked (*Spoilers ahead*) Was when Paul stabbed him, he told the Baron, "You die like an animal". In the book, Alia kills the Baron by stinging him with a Gom Jabbar, the poisonous needle the Bene Gesserit use in the test of humanity to kill those who fail. The Reverent Mother, if i remember correctly, tells Paul the poison of the Gom Jabbar is special, because it "doesn't kill humans/only kills animals". Which if course is a reference to them only using it on those who fail the testto prove themselves "humans". This line is both quite a harsh last humiliation on Pauls part and a respectful nod to the way Alia kills Vladimir in the source material.
@KRISTIANITY_
2 ай бұрын
Oh, I didn't think about this reference, that makes it even better.
@izdapwn
2 ай бұрын
I have been re-reading the first book after watching Part II and had a wild thought about this scene. As Paul is gaining his prescience, he mentions seeing an outcome where he meets the Baron with a simple "Hello, Grandfather". Which tripped me out if the movie adaptations are slowly becoming another path in his view of knowing the several outcomes of things. Just a thought, but really threw me yesterday haha
@nivaldomonte5441
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I noticed that. Although I think the Gom Jabbar would've fit thematically, the Baron didnt deserve a quick death.
@hypatia137
2 ай бұрын
@@izdapwn I think that "Hello Grandfather" path was the one in which Paul would form an alliance with his father's murderer and become the Baron's true heir as his grandson. Because in the novel that path disgusted him. Because it would have been hypocrisy if he had come an agreement with the Baron. So, he knew one way remained: The second path, the path of the jihad In Dune Part 2 he is in the path of the jihad/holy war. So, "Hello, Grandfather" thing never happens. DV just changed one of the most pivotal moments in the book just because he couldn't adapt Alia the killer toddler trollmaster. He could have. But couldn't eventually. His limits as a filmmaker. Sad but I can understand. Maybe if I were him I would have ended up doing the similar thing. The adaptation we imagine and write in a script draft is one thing, actually shooting it is another.
@KTA1sVidsandFacts
2 ай бұрын
I could have sworn in the movie he said "hello Grandfather".
@flippert0
2 ай бұрын
When the Sardaukar approached and Baron Harkonnen surely expected to be killed but then "just" his suspender globes got cut off, I could *feel* the tension in throne room. Yes, Shaddam as portraied in the movie is just on old dude with an army, but he's still super-dangerous. It helps of course, he's portrait by Walken.
@VoodooMcVee
2 ай бұрын
But that's what an emperor is: a dude with an army who gives out favours.
@oroboros88
2 ай бұрын
The way Paul stares at the emperor and his subjects after killing the baron was cold, so much intensity in the eyes despite his face being covered. The sum of 1000s of years of knowledge and hatred staring back at them. Cant wait to see the monster he becomes in Messiah
@thetrison
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, like, I was a little confused when they announce Christopher Walken as the emperor as I didn't think he seemed regal enough. But having seen the film, I love his portrayal of Shaddam IV with his minimal, but impactful, mannerism and political subtlety, especially during scenes with the baron and Paul.
@horsemumbler1
2 ай бұрын
He fits the theme of the universe really well, I think. The post-regal aesthetic works. He rules theough naked power and pragmatic alliances. He doesn't need fancy duds, he's constantly surrounded my thousands if fsnstics who will dismember you if he gives then the nod. What use has he for baubles?
@shaneogallagher831
2 ай бұрын
Extremely satisfying indeed. Much better than the books version in my opinion
@eljuanpapas
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your take and insight 😊
@skywatcheradept
2 ай бұрын
Christopher Walken is the best depiction of the Emperor I ever seen. Too bad we get to see so little of him in the movie.
@wistfulgraph
2 ай бұрын
tbh wish we got less. Liked how more ominous he was in the books as a figure in the background.
@BunkHarvestIII
2 ай бұрын
And for the first time in his life, the Pahdedbrah Emperor, Shaddap IV, found himself speechless with amazement.
@jigsaw6246
2 ай бұрын
I have a question regarding the scene in the 1984 Lynch Dune: The Guild Navigator that goes to the Emperor and tells him that it is Paul Atreides that he insists is killed. Is that what happens in the Dune book? To me, the Guild is so fascinating and such a crucial part of the Dune universe, I wish Villenueve had included the Guild.
@siliconvalley577
2 ай бұрын
In the book, it is revealed in Paul‘s Water of Life conversion that the Guild caused the Emperor and the Great Houses to come to Arrakis “… by spreading tales about what we do here and by reducing transport fares to a point where even the poorest Houses are up there now waiting to loot us.“ So, it looks different than both the 1984 and 2024 versions, though I‘ve never seen the 1984 one… Still, it’s off-page, and there is no scene of any Guild member in Dune at all iirc. In Messiah there is but no spoilers… :)
@jigsaw6246
2 ай бұрын
@@siliconvalley577 Very interesting, thanks!
@ITHYANDEL
2 ай бұрын
What I'm not convinced about the end is how the movie points to the bene gesserit for ploting the atreides extermination. It goes against its own logic and remove agency from the shadam.
@centurion8446
2 ай бұрын
Probably a case of egging him on. Another issue they ignored though is the Space Guild and their Bank but I suspect that is for part 3 and Bene Gesserit eill move yo background
@heavypen
2 ай бұрын
I agree with your conclusions on this one scene. Herbert takes his time with that section of the book. My first impression was, 'What the hell is going on?' I couldn't wait for Emperor Shaddam to knife the guy. And that opinion has only grown in subsequent readings. I even have a few of these sections marked in one copy of the book where I (dare I say it?) skip. Another secret-I also sometimes skip the entire 'Tom Bombadil' sequence in LOTR. But Herbert commits several 'sins' of storytelling throughout the novel-notably, he tells us a lot about the characters (and their actions) and never shows it. And you can't do that too many times and keep readers, unless you're a cult classic like Dune. So, it was incredibly satisfying to see the Baron so quickly disposed of. Denis Villeneuve read it correctly-and went straight for the conclusion, thus cementing the transformation of Paul 'Muad'Dib' Atreides."
@centurion8446
2 ай бұрын
It's public Court, he has the entourage ala the start of part one for a reason, he is engaging with Theatre as a public form of propaganda exercise so he has the pubpic political will of Landsraad and CHAOM company to change Leadership and blame Spice supply/price problems on Harkonnens. He can get rid of economic rival/witness and take their shares and income ability to pay massive debt off. Have to remember earlier convo with Fenrig about making Arrakis like Selusa Secundus which made Emperor want to target Baron and get Feyd Rautha in. Villeneuve gets the income and controllable Feyd point across differently Only thing is in the book Alia reveals a little too much and unnerves his truthsayer as she's not merely a simple 4yo girl as he presumed
@peadarr
2 ай бұрын
It doesn’t make sense in the book to kill him like that. The whole reason he secretly supports the baron against Leto is to avoid repercussions from the Landsraad. Killing the baron in such away would be just as problematic for the same reasons
@Concreteowl
2 ай бұрын
Alia killing the Baron is essential to both the first book and the 2nd and 3rd. She repeats the Gom Jabbar test. And he fails. He is declared an animal and not fit to govern. This connection to her Grandfather is a major plot point in the next two books.
@hypatia137
2 ай бұрын
She can still have connection since she is the one who tells Paul the Baron is their grandpa in the WoL visions of Paul. Her nephew Leto II comes to the brink of being possessed by an ancestor whom he did not physically met: Long-dead Harum. Alia is possessed by the Baron because she is emotionally weak granddaughter of the Baron at that point. Jessica's lack of spiritual and esoteric support, political turmoil around her, too much work and pressure on her shoulders, BG bias against preborns and the Baron floating in her ancestral memories like other male and female ones but stronger than them because you know what kind of guy he was. They can still save her character if they want to. They can even make up a story how she got Saint of the Knife nickname. But it is up to them. There is still a large room for saving that character and making her more accurate to the book. But it depends how they will want to handle it. Will they use the current opportunity I have mentioned above or not?
@wistfulgraph
2 ай бұрын
2:10. The whole point of the emperor in the book is that he’s supposed to not be powerful. By making the emperor seem weaker in the books, Paul felt even more powerful, which made his destructive capability even more prominent which meant the jihad would be even more deadly. I preferred a weaker emperor. Paul never convinced me has was this all-powerful figure in command of the universe’s deadliest fighters.
@teddybetts3254
2 ай бұрын
2:20 😂 Show, don't tell.
@ibd1977
2 ай бұрын
Mr Plinkett?
@davidwebster9788
2 ай бұрын
Very hypocritical of the Emperor as he was totally complicit.
@geekandnerd5142
2 ай бұрын
My perspective about this whole movie is: ALIA ALIA ALIA ALIA ALIA ALIA ALIA ALIA I MISS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER SO FUCKING MUCH
@shinesparkss5193
2 ай бұрын
Dw man, Alia’ll be here soon 🙏 I wish we could’ve got a good child actor but unfortunately that’d be a one-in-a-billion chance
@jamesvaughan8355
2 ай бұрын
More than just a "HUGE WAR"! They are about to LOSE - FOREVER - the MOST IMPORTANT resource nn the Entire Universe, ALL because of Baron Harkonnen's very stupid plots. He is damn lucky he got away with less than he could have gotten - as PUNISHMENT!
@acidic_magpie
2 ай бұрын
How did Paul know that was the baron? Had he met him before? What if he just stabbed to death a random fat bald guy?
@gregor_man
2 ай бұрын
I disagree. In the film the Emperor was an enervate, impotent old man, a person without standing.
@mobes8876
2 ай бұрын
Spoilers! I wish it was Lady Jessica that killed him instead, but yeah. Cool change
@loirigudo
2 ай бұрын
thanks for dropping Dune Messiah spoilers out of fcking nowhere with no warning anywhere Im sure no one here was interested in reading the books anyway right?
@KRISTIANITY_
2 ай бұрын
Book's been out for 60 years, and this is the internet. If you wanna avoid spoilers, go read the book and then watch youtubers' crap.
@loirigudo
2 ай бұрын
@@KRISTIANITY_ the book's age has nothing to do with it, the new movies obviously created a surge in interest and sales for them so people are now more than ever seeking them out. in the meantime, watching a youtube video that comments on a very specific scene seemed reasonable to me, afterall what reason could the narrator have to spoil what happens far beyond that scene? imo the least you could have done is put "spoilers" somewhere (title, description, comments) or just quickly said it in the video.
@KRISTIANITY_
2 ай бұрын
@@loirigudo Oh well, I'll leave a note in the description in the next ones, sorry if I fuc*ed it up too much for you. In any case, by the looks of it, the third film will be very far off from the source material, so you might have not experienced any real spoilers anyway.
@wistfulgraph
2 ай бұрын
I just started reading Dune Messiah for the first time yesterday, so thanks for the heads up.
@aden_light
2 ай бұрын
If I were the director I would have it Paul kills the baron then walks right past the emperor and takes the throne, then he gets challenged and the fight proceeds from there
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