Wow, I LOVED this video! This is a great review, very balanced and honest. Thanks for making this.
@Tsu8787
4 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Quinn - I love your channel man and I also love Merphy's. I'm kind of in her boat at the moment having read Dune only one time but definitely feel that I will read it at least a few more times. Not to mention that I've only read the first book.
@demonslayer6648
4 жыл бұрын
I love your channel dude and love dune
@kylearking8918
4 жыл бұрын
Love your channel!
@tommygarrett107
4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. Her review was very fresh and honest. She’s way prettier than you too. lol Seriously Quinn, I LOVE your channel!
@mondantarigan5579
4 жыл бұрын
Love your chanel man
@pratappurswani7212
4 жыл бұрын
Can we just take a moment to appreciate Merphy uploading as often as she does? Love the vids 💖💖💖
@viciousantelopes22
4 жыл бұрын
Simp
@matthewbennett631
4 жыл бұрын
@@viciousantelopes22 Yes because anyone male who says anything remotely positive about a woman must be a "simp." What a coherent and healthy worldview /s
@WMax-rm3ue
4 жыл бұрын
and she is so pretty
@studiolau
3 жыл бұрын
Those internal thoughts were one of the hurdles in translating this to a screenplay
@tuffguy0134
3 жыл бұрын
We also have to keep in mind Dune was originally published in segments in an auto repair magazine. So that could explain the over explaining of some aspects.
@ketellynmanique539
4 жыл бұрын
Merphy: I need a Silmarillion for Dune Me, a Dune stan: *I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED THAT, BUT I DO*
@koatam
4 жыл бұрын
@@Bellsprouts69 There is also the channel "A Story of Ice and Fire" It started out as a Game of Thrones channel, but it branched out into the Dune and Foundation series. there is a lot of information on that channel.
@jewbernautigk7876
3 жыл бұрын
Read the legends of dune series... Explained a lot, not as good writing ,but amazingly entertaing.
@tithannisk7470
4 жыл бұрын
Dune is one of my favourite Si-Fi series but I find that the first book is just an introduction (despite being very long) nd the depth of what Franck Herbert was trying to do shines in the 4th book (God Emperor of Dune). Another Si-Fi series that I really love is Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons, mostly the first 2 books Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion, really fascinating stories and concepts.
@theinevitablegodemperordea4278
3 жыл бұрын
I mean to be honest you really have to read the entire series to fully understand what he was trying to do say but I do understand why a lot of people stop at God emperor it goes from deep and nuanced to extremely deep and extremely nuanced in chapter House and heretics (I had to read the last two books a few times before I fully understood them) it's also important to note that Frank Herbert died before finishing the series so I'm guessing we don't fully know what he was trying to say with his masterpiece
@mmilo131
3 жыл бұрын
finally my people who recognize god emperor of dune 's greatness. in my opinion its his most profound work . Leto as a character is so complex and his emotions so tragic . the idea of leto being both the most human person to exist while also being the most inhuman.
@oskarfabian5200
3 жыл бұрын
@@mmilo131 completely agree, man I have to read it again
@historyfan6684
3 жыл бұрын
@@mmilo131 Leto is the most incredible character ever written in fiction. He is absolutely the most tragic, heroic, horrible, saintly, demonic, and yes human character I have ever read. The prescience trap is truly horrifying.
@walterpinkmantanay1577
4 жыл бұрын
Merphy coming out with videos like the flash⚡
@ezraminard2986
4 жыл бұрын
Walter Pinkman If walt and jesse married I feel like Walt wouldn’t take Jesse’s name
@walterpinkmantanay1577
4 жыл бұрын
@@ezraminard2986 should've thought about that when choosing the username lmao
@DrEllert
4 жыл бұрын
"This is a story that I feel like I could read a thousand times, and each time come out with new interpertations and discussion pieces, and pieces of the world, even though I'm reading the same text over and over again." That's what I like to call, "old-fashion sci-fi". It's not about great impressions and "look how this character is cool" or "check my not-magic system!" (though you had some of those as well, especially Heinlein) but rather about "still waters run deep". This is from the psychedelic-experimental writing, where a story was more about exploring ideas, and less about plot and payoffs, etc. Others for example: Kurt Vonnegut, Phillip K. Dick, Ray Bradbury. You could also find some that later became movies: The Thing, Silent Running, Logan's Run, Annhilation, Solaris (1976 - also a great book), Moon, Naked Launch, etc.
@reachthroughreality
4 жыл бұрын
I think the "Betrayal scenes" were trying to show how reluctant and well trusted the Betrayer was. It may have been over the top, but I always saw it as a way to convey how guilty they felt about it, like really bad, really really bad, bad bad, really bad bad lol, and that they were so trusted someone could tell the victim that this person would decapitate them and the response would be, "Oh, dear. I must will have contracted gangrene and they had to amputate to save me." It was a way to build tension, but more importantly is was a crisis of identity for the person involved and was the only thing they could ever think of, it consumed them.
@Drudenfusz
4 жыл бұрын
Dune has a special place for me, I read it when I was still rather young (it was at that time the largest book I had read), during a hot summer and I made my first attempts at cooking on my own (and of course I put cinnamon in everything because of this book). Still, I am not angry at this review, I actually like people discovering this book, and I really hope Villeneuve will do it justice and that his film version will draw also more people in.
@MrShaiya96
4 жыл бұрын
"I like dune" Me: *cries in danielgreene*
@totallydead18
2 жыл бұрын
Late to the party but I felt I should point out that the betrayor is an early introduction to a common theme in Herbert's Dune: Humanity's frequent overtrust in institutional promises.
@corarara6482
4 жыл бұрын
Great review. You managed to encapsulate all my complicated feelings about this book perfectly!
@lostschedule51
4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the thoughtful review and at the same time I love the "betraying" segment. Thank you!
@canman9009
4 жыл бұрын
I was 300 pages in for dune to click with me and then I fell in love with it
@HInc7647
4 жыл бұрын
Agree - when Paul and Jessica went into the desert that’s when I really started to enjoy it. It really irritated me that on the back of the book it tells you that Duke Leto dies which I felt like I was constantly waiting for.
@skaetur1
4 жыл бұрын
How about that second time through? Good, right? :)
@theinevitablegodemperordea4278
3 жыл бұрын
The Sci-Fi mini-series got me hooked on sci-fi as a kid (10years old) as a teen an adult became my all-time favorite book series hope you stick with it at least a god emperor (I can kind of see why people lose interest after that I didn't but it's definitely understandable) as the emperor so wisely proclaimed the spice must flow lol
@canman9009
3 жыл бұрын
@@theinevitablegodemperordea4278 yeah I got to god emperor already kinda tired of the series and the fact that they kept reviving that one guy sorry it’s been a few years over and over and he wasn’t even an interesting character or important to the original plot really bothered me but I did like that Leto was a big worm
@Sighience
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a complex spoiler free review, I was really trying to decide whether I wanted to partake in this book before lost worlds but since it seems so intricate and immersive, I’ll wait till after so I can really deep dive into the world, thanks for such a detailed review! As always you nailed it 👌🏼
@mermanhellville
4 жыл бұрын
Also, someone's already mentioned it in the comments, but check out Quinn's Ideas here on youtube. He's made a whole series on the Dune saga that are really helpful in making sense of its contents. He's one of my favourite youtubers, too.
@JayseabeeSTL
4 жыл бұрын
I'm late to this comment party as I've just finished reading the six main Dune books for the first time and am currently reading The Road to Dune which seems to me, so far, to be the closest thing to a "Silmarillion for Dune" as you put it. Just wanted to say great video! You've got a new subscriber in me!
@Nasser851000
4 жыл бұрын
I would totally ride a sandworm XD
@invaderzod8092
4 жыл бұрын
That’s what she said.
@technicaldeathmetalhead
4 жыл бұрын
Only if its your true Desire or Destiny, or perhaps if you Dream about it
@MrBenfranz
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Dune is Frank Herbert's Thesis on Political Science, Ecology, Court Intrigue, Messianic Figures, and Technology. It is frustrating on the first read, and then it becomes more fascinating and deep with repeat readings. When I read it the first time at 11, way back in the 80's, there were many things that I did not grok at that time. It has been a learning curve, Dune. It's a book I love to return to every 2 years or so. You will always find something new in it's cavernous 800+ pages.
@RobertWF42
3 жыл бұрын
One problem I had with Dune: it's a sci-fi novel but there's very little description of space travel and the different planetary environments. In one chapter the characters are on Caladan & the next chapter they're on Dune. Herbert should have inserted a chapter describing space travel on a Guild Heighliner.
@brazilianorange
2 жыл бұрын
To be fair about the betrayal part, there was a big reason characters thought it couldn’t possibly have been that character even if they were suspicious
@elsadugaro2793
3 жыл бұрын
YOU WROTE in the margin ?!
@bioneuralic
4 жыл бұрын
Read it again in 2030. The first time I read it I was a kid than I read it again as a high school student and again as an adult. It could tell me something new all the time. To me, this makes it a good book.
@iergosum
4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I agree on all your points and I would like to provide my interpretation of why there’s so much inner monologue. Partly style of course, partly because it’s the 60s and authors had a much different style before the 70s and 80s Id say. But I think specifically in the last decade or two decades, a lot of the mainstream novels and movies were noir so he was surrounded with that high amount of inner monologue. I believe it came naturally to him given the state of media leading up to and when he was writing the book.
@azmodanpc
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with your assessment of Herbert's prose and his knack for world building but lack of finesse in let's call it "presentation". His writing skills (for fiction specifically) were really an acquired skill for him. Heck, even the first Dune novels were published by a printing house that specialized in technical manuals. Imho by the time God Emperor of Dune rolled out, Herbert could write cohesive dialogue, great world building and some great reflections (and he managed to be more concise too). Dune Messiah was hobbled by the fact that he wrote it before Dune so his flaws were even more apparent.
@wtk6069
4 жыл бұрын
Structurally, Dune works better thinking of it more like Atlas Shrugged. The story is mostly just a platform to discuss larger ideas. That said, the Dune universe is admittedly rich, even though it's ultimately built upon standard sci-fi conventions established by early space operas by Edmond Hamilton, Doc Smith, and others (Brackett, Kuttner, et al). In this way, Herbert reminds me of Isaac Asimov, who also used those same, much-loved conventions as the basis for his universe. Both gentlemen were obviously inspired by classic space operas to tell stories in "space opera-like" universes that were much more than just space operas.
@vampiresquid2635
Жыл бұрын
about the traiter plotline, i believe Dr Yueh is like a type of imperial doctor who is conditioned (similarly to mentats) so he quite literally insnt capable of hurting anyone which makes him even less of a suspect. the Harkonens are able to break this conditioning by like murdering or torturing his wife i think and his desire for revenge motivates him to go along with it. basically nobody suspects him because he's been the family doctor for years and because they don't know that breaking the Suk doctor conditioning is possible.
@rockinbobokkin7831
4 жыл бұрын
It's not a Silmarillion that you need. It's more that Herbert is giving glimpses and holding back to further illustrate some of his philosophical points, and it requires a drawn out, multi-generational outlook. So, really, imo one needs to read at least the first three books to really get what he's getting at. His main focuses seem to be: resource based economics, cult of personality leadership and its pitfalls, ecology and its vital importance, and finally, given the decades that these books were written , there is an exploration of a form of feminism that's radically different than what we are experiencing, but it's there. Spoiler alert: Paul is no hero. He's not the white savior. That is very easy to miss in the first book. Going into further books will give the author some chances to betray some expectations and that in itself is pretty rewarding. Yet, Herbert's actual literary style does not improve as the books progress, so that just has to be read through more quickly at times. I felt like I had really gone the distance after the third book, but it does go on, and I really enjoyed going forward, but it was more out of a fantasy play fulfillment and pleasure at that point.
@Sykeye7
3 жыл бұрын
I have just finished reading Dune & I totally agree with your point of view! I'm glad that I found other people sharing my good vs. bad arguments regarding this book.
@itamarbaz9477
4 жыл бұрын
First off, I love your review! Really honest and insightful commentary! About your problems with the betrayal plot and the general "let me tell you what every character is thinking" omnipresent style, I definitely found it jarring the first time I read Dune, but now I think that Herbert wrote his characters that way intentionally. An important aspect of the Dune universe is that it's in a way a hyper-advanced version of a medieval, feudalistic society. Imagine the constant fear and paranoia of living in a culture where every person must be addressed correctly at all times, where every sentence must be phrased just right or you might insult someone, and anyone around you could be a spy gathering information for your most hated enemies, but now add in the sci-fi concepts of people who can read every single micro-expression that passes over your face or compel you to obey them with a word. I think the reason the characters in Dune can feel so stiff or formal, and the reason that Herbert explicitly tells us their inner thoughts, is that they are almost always in situations where they are unable to show their true feelings and must instead, in the name of self-preservation, restrict their every word an action.
@OraNui
4 жыл бұрын
My dad and my older brother are big fans of this book. They mentioned that it can be a “heavy” read, so it might be a bit tough, but I’ll definitely be giving it a try now.
@michakoodziej5741
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this fantastic review Merphy! I feel you did catch very well the main concept of the book - it is about a world building philosophical discussion, that’s what I annoy a lot in the Dune. I think you will find your “Silmarillion” for Dune. For example “Dune’s Encyclopaedia”. Personally I like very much the internal monologues narrated in the book, but I can understand that’s not everybody’s thing. Great review, it’s fine you talk about your thoughts and feelings, we can process our feelings and thoughts best while talking about them.
@LauraMaisano
4 жыл бұрын
I think that diving into the sequel might give you more information to help flesh things out more.
@jbizzlemcnizzle
4 жыл бұрын
Took me literally 3 reads before it clicked for me but it finally did. I’m on book 3 now and loving it. I also agree with the other commenters about how book 2 feels like it was supposed to be the end of book 1 instead of its own separate volume.
@theelvenwtich
3 жыл бұрын
I think that God Emperor of Dune is my favorite in the series. Love your videos.
@brettsteele7386
4 жыл бұрын
I went and watched the movie in theaters in the 1980s and have now seen that movie at least 100 times and love it. I have also read most of the books in the series and I like the movie better. There is also a newer movie that is pretty good but not as good as the first movie. I know that the first movie doesn't completely follow the book, but if the book was written like the movie it would be a better read. My opinion.
@narayacevedodominguez1274
4 жыл бұрын
I’m about to start reading it so I really appreciate this video as a way to know what I’m getting into. Sounds very interesting. Great review :)
@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician
4 жыл бұрын
Not many know but Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune were meant to be one big book but was split due to editorial influence, which I think was both good and bad at the same time. It was bad because as you said, lot of things weren't explained but at the same time his writing style and prose had definitely improved, and improved as a writer. Also Chad Third Person Omniscient >> Virgin Third Person Limited.
@GertPols
6 ай бұрын
Very good video! I now am seriously doubting to ever read the book(s). The movies I loved by the way!
@Snowy123
Жыл бұрын
That hard cover is beautiful
@grnberet9401
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! This one is on my TBR list for sure.
@uncleanunicorn4571
4 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, there are 5 more Dune books, and those are just the ones written by the original author. In them you will see more tropes that ended up in Star wars.
@hillventer112
2 жыл бұрын
Great review... I finished the book in 10 days and damn was I engrossed by Herbert's storytelling, characters, world building, philosophy and religion. Absolutely loved this book. I'm buying Dune Messiah as soon as possible, however get the feeling I need to re read Dune again
@ElizabethNicoleSchwartz
4 жыл бұрын
If I end up reading it, which I don't know if I will, it'll be in preparation for the Timothée Chalamet adaptation that's supposed to come out at the end of the year.
@buttercakeluv
11 ай бұрын
omg you are spot on about the book. Exactly on page 240 and I can relate!
@tejpatel5320
4 жыл бұрын
I think this is one of those books that gets better and better (at least with immersion) with rereads. Same with (I hear) WoT.
@Cephalopod51
7 ай бұрын
The weird thing is that when I read the book, I had watched the David Lynch film many times, and was already compelled by the story. By reading the book, it felt like it was an enhanced and far more detailed version of the film. I know that for some readers, the Lynch film was horrible, and for other people, the Lynch film made them not understand the story or want to read the book. That wasn't the case for me, and I was glad to have read it. I think because the universe of Dune was already interesting to me thanks to the theater version and the extended TV cut I had seen before, I devoured every detail and bit of dialogue in the novel I read. There were lots of things I didn't understand at the time, but I was nevertheless still compelled by the original Dune book. It also helped that I was also a fan of the Dune game, Dune II: The Building of Dynasty, or more accurately its SEGA port first, Dune: The Battle for Arrakis, so made wanting to explore Dune's universe more fascinating for me. I ended up reading all six Dune books in middle school, which I'm still amazed to have done. The other books are a bit intense, surreal, and heavy on the philosophical debate dialogue, but I was still compelled by them, and wanted to read it all. Be prepared if you ever read Heretics of Dune or Chapterhouse: Dune, especially with the imprinting scenes. I personally like Frank Herbert's writing style and thought dialogue, but I can see why others aren't crazy about them. The thought dialogue is a required taste, and yet I still found them fascinating in the Lynch film, though it is a very surreal device. I think Herbert's writing style is incredible, with maybe some descriptions or dialogue that needed rephrasing. I was surprised to learn that one of his influences for his style was Ernest Hemingway, and he used that style to be clear and simple, though he still wrote a lot of complex ideas into his writing. I do admit I hadn't read the Appendices until years later. If I had early on, I would've had more of an understanding of the Buterlian Jihad, the formation of the Guild and the Bene Gesserit, and how Liet Kyne's father, Pardot, first came to and helped the Fremen. I did read Pardot's story early on in the prequel book, Dune: House Atreides, though the prequels are controversial for many fans. Learning from the Appendices how the religion of humanity in this period was tremendously altered due to the Butlerian Jihad, and that the Orange Catholic Bible combined Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and bits of other religions blew my mind. It especially amazed me how the Fremen faith was the result of Zen Buddhism and Sunni Islam combining, as well as by their adaptation to living on Arrakis. More interestingly, their forebears, the Zensunni Wanderers, were the result of various religious splits and changes of Islam and Buddhism throughout the universe. Even though it's obvious to us that Yueh was the traitor, none of the Atreides characters wanted to believe he could be the traitor. He was mentally conditioned as a Suk Doctor, and the Imperial Conditioning was supposed to ensure that no Suk doctor would betray or harm any patient. Though the Harkonnens kidnapped Yueh's Bene Gesserit wife and threatened to kill her (which they already had done), that wasn't enough to break his conditioning. Piter, Baron Vladmir's Mentat, broke Yueh's conditioning by giving him counter-conditioning by making Yueh believe that he could still get revenge on the Baron after betraying the Atreides. Yueh wanted to confess his conflicted feelings to Jessica a few times, and she sensed something from him, but she chose to trust him, because she thought his hatred of Harkonnens made him unquestionably loyal to the Atreides. That was not the case, unfortunately. And Thufir, the Atreides Mentat, was so blinded by his own faith in Yueh's conditioning and his prejudice towards the Bene Gesserit, that he couldn't possibly believe Yueh was the traitor. He was convinced that Jessica was the traitor, and after the Atreides were betrayed, he foolishly let the Harkonnens know that he thought Jessica was the traitor, and the Baron took advantage of that. Jessica confronted Thufir earlier as to why he suspected her, and she even thought he could've been the traitor. Their confrontation might've made things worse for her, since Jessica showed Thufir a glimpse of her powers, which terrified him, but she convinced him for a moment she was loyal, and she determined that he wasn't a traitor. After they were betrayed, of course, Thufir went back to believing her a traitor. The one detail I admit being slow about the most in Dune was that Paul Atreides was a hero who turned into a bigger villain than his enemies, despite the fact that he is relatable, understandable, and likable for most of his story. One would wish that his Fremen followers would be more even-handed when they spread throughout the universe, but they were perhaps far too angry with off-worlders for how they were treated to think that way, and Paul through his futuristic visions thought it was impossible to steer the Freman any other way than universal domination. Seeing a good character grow to become a villain, albeit a self-aware one, is always tragic. It's the Anti-Hero's or Anti-Villain's Journey, kind of like Michael Corleone's journey in The Godfather. There are lots more details about Dune I'd want to go discuss, but I've done way over the limit. Glad you found Dune to nonetheless be interesting, Merphy. I'm curious what your thoughts would be when you revisit Dune some more or read the other Dune books.
@violetadaguiar9776
4 жыл бұрын
Oh Merphy, now you planted the idea of a Dune Silmarilion in my mind and I desperatly want one xD Loved the video, Dune is one of my favourites and I agree that it's more about the reflections and the ponderings than about the plot... I really enjoy that and I think it has some of the most insightful ideas about the dinamics of power that I've ever read. About the whole betrayal plot, MILD SPOILERS AHEAD: so the guy that betrays them (his name escapes me) has received imperial conditioning in his training, therefore it is believed he cannot lie. As a reader you kind of feel like "yeah, right" but I think Dune requires a bit more suspension of disbelief in certain moments, so you just have to go with it and try to get into the "what, but his training?! he can't possibly be liying!" wagon
@conor3000
4 жыл бұрын
reading Dune was one of the best things I did during lockdown. Im 43 first heard of it when I was only 10! Its just excellent - read it!
@Rastrelly
4 жыл бұрын
The key point with Yueh's betrayal is that he is - I don't remember the exact formulation, long time no read Dune - he's essentially braiwashed via imperial training procedure towards absolute loyalty, and this procedure is considered extremely effective. So, everyone a priori consider the idea of Yueh being the traitor to be ridiculous. It's like suspecting your fridge of heating up your vegetables in secret. I'd say his motivation of breaking the indoctrination is the weakest part of the whole story, though. It's hard to believe that hoping his relatives would die a bit easier death is enough to make him break the indoctrination and betray the Duke.
@ajinkyakhanzode890
4 жыл бұрын
I've also recently finished book 1, I didn't catch any exposition dumps at all, and that was so refreshing. The thing I appreciated the most though, was the realistic journey of a kid from prince to prophet, realistic religious dogmatism, and politics. I completely agree with you, on the beating over the head part, and also end wasn't very satisfying, (spoilers) he sets the apocalypse in motion despite wanting otherwise for the whole book. PS: I took up Mistborn immediately after this on ur recommendation, I like it, but I have to adapt to that writing style.
@rodgerlang884
4 жыл бұрын
I have similar feelings to you about Dune. I read it once and I did like it, but I don’t ever find myself with the desire to revisit it. There were parts that were very dry and slow to me.
@michaelbrantley824
4 жыл бұрын
I'm starting it today! This review helped my decision. Thank you
@CNTconnoisseur
Жыл бұрын
I understand your criticisms, completely. You also have to recognize that this is the best-selling science fiction book of all time. There must be a reason for that.
@vaporiiz
4 жыл бұрын
Just ordered the fancy deluxe hardcover! (34% off rn) can't wait to read it for the first time!
@scottharris1985
6 ай бұрын
We have internal dialogue in our own lives. Yueh was having second thoughts.
@JoeSmith-np6nz
3 жыл бұрын
First time visiting your channel! Reading this book now, awesome review! Subscribed* 😆
@CitizenofMelee
4 жыл бұрын
Patrick Stewart's story about meeting Sting while filming the movie is awesome.
@dumbdumb5868
6 ай бұрын
OMG that cpver is stunning
@deedd4401
4 жыл бұрын
Hey there :) loved your review - -- - in a way , i felt it was somewhat incomplete - but then i realized that ( at least to my knowledge ) -- - this might be the best review yet :) in terms of - it really is great for people who are considering dune as a reading material for the first time. Coz most of us already love it, read it a "few" times , etc ,etc.... so we're used to seeing things a different way. This was a fresh take, and there is absolutely nothing wrong about not being comfortable with writing style at times ( it's called STYLE for a reason ). In regards the Yueh, i know lads have already discussed this with you - but in regards the style : to me Yeah was like a child that has never ever tried to lie to his mother, but attempts for the first time. ( it also shows how much we grow stone-hearted every time we lie , into the state - where we lie so much , we don't even recognize our-selves - thus betraying our own potential) . Anyway, I know that you've got a lotsa stuff planned ahead - - - but there is one TV show around these days, that brings this quality of --- also being the best show in visual, aesthetic, stylized - ( and i could go for on and on and on ) --- but at the core has the same foundation as Dune, striking your "inner" eye to bring a spark of thought that leads to inner revolution and discovery. I do not think i have been so happy about a show in my entire lifetime ( although Babylon 5 would be my cornerstone ). But please , if there's any chance you might find a way to check it out, don't miss on it. It's called Westworld. Anyway , thanks for being hones and the review - hope it was also helpful in establishing a bit more self-confidence, that a well constructed critique does not have to be super damaging to your channel , although i totally understand ( due to the current internet warrior nature/theme ) how one could think so.
@elipsorange
4 жыл бұрын
Just looked up some reviews of Dune, ended up finding your review. Wish you would've done a spoiler video, the book was amazing. Complex ideas and how the human can and could work is mind blowing. Will end up reading it again. I read Messiah and reading Children of Dune atm, all excellent reads.
@End420Prohibition
4 жыл бұрын
Dune is a very complex series. I would finish reading the 6 books in the series that Frank Herbert published because he really does build an excellent world, but then I would dive into the Dune prequels that his son Brian Herbert started writing after frank passed away. I think the books written by Brian go a little quicker pace, and you would probably find to be a more enjoyable. Once you finish the original six, I would pick up Dune The Butlerian Jihad.
@gs8494
4 жыл бұрын
Personally I would say that the later books by his son and Anderson are to be avoided at all cost, they lack everything that make the original books great, characters, plots, and overall intelligence are so poor it beggars belief, they are to be blunt fucking awful and shameful cash grab that abuses one of the great sci-fi works. I really can't overstate just how shit they are on every level compared to Frank Herberts original work.
@jasctt
4 жыл бұрын
DUNE is a book of ideas. It's not about action as much as ideas and plot. It's an incredible example of world building and really the vanguard of modern science fiction. I think his discussions on ecology, technology and sociology are all universal. It's no problem if you didn't like it but I would suggest a second read in the future. O e of the few works of literature that deserve and warrant it.
@JKWuco
4 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh, the internal struggle about betraying the Atreides family is definitely one of the worst things about this book (which I love). Your summary made me laugh because it's barely even an exaggeration. I think a large purpose of fantasy and scifi is being able to discuss real world issues and ideas more intensely because the setting makes it feel detached from people's experiences (if it took place in the real world, it might feel too close to home and repellant to people). Few books do that as well as Dune. Weirdly, another book that does this very well is Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is tonally pretty much Dune's opposite.
@mermanhellville
4 жыл бұрын
The re-reading potential of the Dune series is huge, and it will make you think. I hope you'll continue with at least the Dune Messiah, which is a much shorter book and closes Paul's part of the story, which I feel is essential if you want to fully discuss the themes concerning power, people who wield it, charismatic leaders etc. Actually I'd say you gotta at least finish part 3, tbh. I'm a huge fan, but I definitely get how many of the elements and the way of writing might be offputting to a lot of readers. Such as the internal monologues, and also how, since Herbert wants to discuss themes rather than 'a fun story', he often reveals how things are going to end before they even start. . The guy who betrayed the duke wasn't considered as a suspect because he is conditioned by his school to be unable to hurt or betray his masters.
@azmodanpc
4 жыл бұрын
When I was 13 I had the audacity of borrowing Dune from my local library and bringing it to school (we had an assignment for the summer holidays: read a book of your choosing and summarize it in front of the class). Looking back, I realize I bit far more that I could chew. Even a brief and shallow summary was out of my league back then :D The fact that the teacher thought this was a run of the mill sci fi (more akin to a comic book) was my salvation. If she were a fan she would have given me some choice words.
@DogWalkerBill
4 жыл бұрын
I read Dune when the paperback first came out circa 1970. I also read Dune Messiah and Children of Dune and lost interest after that. Yes it was a definite "sea change" book. Science fiction and how it was told were forever after changed.
@jmr1415
4 жыл бұрын
Okay spoilers incoming in: 5 4 3 2 1 Dr Yeuh (if memory serves) had something called imperial conditioning, this was meant that he was incapable of acting against his employer's interests and well being.
@jmr1415
4 жыл бұрын
Question for Herbert fans in the thread: Which is your favorite Herbert novel outside the Dune series? I'll kick off with: The Dosadi Experiment.
@oliviawilliams6204
4 жыл бұрын
Hellsorm's Hive i remember enjoying, been awhile
@ethanwilliamson782
2 жыл бұрын
Having read the whole series, the dedication to the Golden Path is one of the only consistencies in this, to me, the rest of the complexity isn't density, is width, with new things randomly created in every single book. Taking this only consistency of the golden path, only two points I believe are relevant or actually fleshed out: centralization and technology, both being bad. Other points like the oil metaphor of spice are lost because, sorry for the spoiler but it doesn't mean anything, the spice runs out and fuck all happens. The spice reserves are so large and well-distributed that it really doesn't fucking matter, takes away from the doom and gloom of oil running out. So, given that "centralization bad and technology bad" are the only actual societal reflections, it becomes a clear product of its time, and really quite simple in terms of "philosophy". I could tell you today that tyrants and dictators are bad without this book and without needing to be the universe's super worm genius, only using simple high school education. I did enjoy the books as puzzles though, even if the points are simple, largely stupid, and the plotholes are insane, just extracting meaning from his ridiculously verbose writing style is fun. Turning your brain off to certain problems with the book makes it enjoying so it's whatever, as long as people don't take it too seriously, we're all good. Edit: also, I just want to destroy this notion he created about warning labels for charismatic leaders. In his explanation, he used two US presidents as examples, one as what he considers good, and the other he considers bad. Dude, every US president is chosen based on charisma, it's a simple fact you learn in 10th grade Comp Gov. It's clear his liking for one president over the other wasn't due to his bullshit about charismatic leaders, but instead his political beliefs
@Winston_Smith_84
10 ай бұрын
I named my son Paul Atreides.
@Tranxhead
4 жыл бұрын
Quite right, the internal thoughts made the Lynch adaptation a bit weird.
@cloudbloom
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome review, I know how you feel about not getting everything the first time around and that's why I've read it 16 times haha😁 my favorite of all time, can't wait for the new movie!
@willarrington3410
4 жыл бұрын
Where did you get that copy? I love the cover
@maxcook1784
4 жыл бұрын
I love the internal thought
@charlessmyth
11 ай бұрын
The writing style with its blend of point-of-view, is akin to the approach taken by fellow journalist-cum-SF-writer, H. G. Wells for the Invisible Man.
@gregoryrushing6019
3 жыл бұрын
I’m reading dune for the 1st time. I’m on chapter 3? It’s definitely interesting, but so far it doesn’t have my complete attention.
@ec8927
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks do doing this. Especially since Dunies can be crazy.
@TraceguyRune
3 жыл бұрын
Your thoughts and opinions are exactly how I feel after reading it.
@brandocalrissian3294
Жыл бұрын
I feel like you misunderstood the entire plot involving yueh.
@willlexie
4 жыл бұрын
Come here before reading Dune. Mostly I read thriller, horror, mystery and crime. This will be a different experience for me because I know I have to put more effort into science fiction, especially space opera.
@charlessmyth
11 ай бұрын
Foreigner by C. J. Cherryh may be more satisfactory for those who prefer a more coherent approach :-)
@MarioSMG64
4 жыл бұрын
I just started reading this book, gotta save this video to watch later!
@normacenva8411
4 жыл бұрын
Comic Book Girl 19 has a great series of videos of Dune Club, where she reads and dissects the story with in depth analysis! And, yes, I agree this book should absolutely be on a school reading list. kzitem.info/news/bejne/06-Zk42HmGh5qZw
@dahakhamoontouched4133
4 жыл бұрын
I remember struggling with this book when I read it many years ago. Perhaps I was too young, perhaps I was too biased toward more action-driven SFF, but I was distinctly underwhelmed. After watching this, I am thinking it might be worth trying it again. The main question you left unanswered, though, is whether you are intending to read the later books? Are you going to wait until you do a reread of this one first?
@Scotty_Heh
Жыл бұрын
I’m having a kidney transplant next year and was thinking of getting the series for when I’m in recovery
@KitchenSinkSoup
4 жыл бұрын
The sequels are even more like what your describing, focusing on the world and philosophy rather than story, especially book 4.
@dewshbag16
4 жыл бұрын
Where did you purchase that specific book? I ask because I like the cover. I recently discovered your channel and enjoyed it. May you have a nice day.
@joshuaphillips2371
4 жыл бұрын
You should do a spoiler discussion.... Dr. Yueh managed to dupe a powerful Bene Gesserit witch, almost a 'truthsayer,' as well as her son, a boy who sees the future. The gravity of that cannot be understated, otherwise the act is nothing more than meaningless plot filler. That being said, I also was frustrated that Jessica detected his deceit and chose to ignore it. Maybe the only hole in the book. Good catch! If you truly liked this novel, go watch Comic Book Girl 19, a youtuber who did a whole Dune book club series.
@manmadegod100
4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the world building, but I felt like the characters were only there to support the desired narrative.
@evelynstarshine8561
4 жыл бұрын
I studied it in school and, wow thats a way to not enjoy it. I want to give it another go but I feel the doing it in school stain is hard to wash off. Thanks for the video Please read gideon the ninth!
@wesleywalkerthewriter
4 жыл бұрын
I've read Dune 7 times, though sadly not recently. You've an interesting perspective.
@kriswicker5272
4 жыл бұрын
Howabout a review on Clan of the Cave Bears (not sure if you have done it yet...). It is another 'classic' from the 1980s that had huge sales back in the day.
@loonar7960
4 жыл бұрын
Literally everyone I've heard describe this books describes the experience differently. I've heard people say its meandering and delves too much into the geopolitical climate of the world, and others say it reads super easy and it's like watching an action movie.
@tommcmahan
2 жыл бұрын
Good review! I think your reaction is a very common one. I've always loved Dune from the first time I read it many years ago. But Herbert is NOT my favorite author. He does some things so incredibly well! And he drive you absolutely crazy with other things! If you think "Dune" was bad in this way, try reading "Dune: Messiah"! LOL The first half of that book is everything awesome about Herbert, the last half is everything weak and frustrating about him.
@peteguardiola
9 ай бұрын
Agreed with the theme wasn't for escapism! What scene from when you read the book are you excited to see in the movie?!
@coderedj68
2 ай бұрын
I felt the same way about some details that I thought I missed. Some details seems to be off camera (for lack of a better term).
@dejkola
4 жыл бұрын
Critique at 9:00 is totally unjustifiable since you have to understand the context, which is not present in the first book, but later on, or in previous books in Brian Herberts Schools of Dune. Doctor Yueh has so much internal thoughts to avoid Jessica ability as a truthsayer. She is from Bene Gesserit, she can read every body change, that is why his only defense is in his mind.
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