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@dylanbond1627
11 ай бұрын
Erin, do you answer questions for your Patreons? I would like to hear your thoughts on the Special Forty vs the speaker to beat - the R3 Meta.
@ErinsAudioCorner
11 ай бұрын
@@dylanbond1627 I think I answered it somewhere here already. Honestly, I get so many I can’t keep track of them.
@jeremiahchamberlin4499
Жыл бұрын
Wow! That is the most thorough review of a speaker that I’ve ever been able to comprehend. Either what you’ve shared about the graphical representations earlier has finally started seeping into my brain, or you’re getting better at explaining the phenomenon you’re hearing and seeing in the data. I think you’ve made more strides than I have. The arrows and highlights helped when you’re looking at the graphs; but opening with a narrative of what you heard really helped pull me in. (You had me at ‘Dyne Audio;’ I thought, “That’s a world-class speaker company, I wonder what he has to say about it?”) Good to hear the passion back in your voice after the events of several months back. Edit: Just trying to say I could follow you from start to finish; 👍 Good Job.
@antoniomarsicola8608
Жыл бұрын
You take all sorts of industries, from cars to phones to TVs to audio, then you take the best reviewers of each industry and you compare them on how scientific they are, and how they let you understand the root causes and basically teach you something more at any review. My winner is you Erin. Kudos!
@avnut5517
Жыл бұрын
I have used Dynaudio drivers in my systems since the 80's. Nice to see your deep dive on this speaker. Your second pronunciation of Vac-a-ville was correct. Edit: I absolutely love the deeper dive.👍
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Good to know!
@jasonbertholomey1142
Жыл бұрын
A very welcome review! Thank you for your time and effort in testing the speaker, and especially for the excellent and thorough review in this video. It was very helpful to have your explanation of the graphs. I really enjoyed my pair of red Special Forty’s - the good, bad, and the ugly……driven by a Naim SuperNAIT3 - very good in my small room. It helps to see some of the reasons I enjoyed them 😊 Thank You! Hope to see you in Raleigh.
@stevenma2010
Жыл бұрын
Great review, Erin. I owned the Special 40's for nearly a year, but that 3 kHz "glare" was too much for me. It always hit me like a metal baton, or brass knuckles, especially at higher volumes. I've bought a lot of really great speakers thanks to your reviews, and I like you.
@YitbosSwede
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Very insightful as to why I like the Special 40s. Always thought I didn't like the "laid back" sound, but I dig these. Also confirmed my suspicion that I would likely enjoy the Linton's/Denton's. Appreciate the in depth breakdown!
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@Audio_Simon
Жыл бұрын
Hey Erin, if you want to share a visualisation of surround phase issue to help people understand, you could deno the Klippel SCN software. They have a few demo files in there. 😊 You can see the side cross section as well as a 3d view.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@Rene_Christensen
Жыл бұрын
I showed this in my first video with Erin. One hour and three minutes in.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
@@Rene_Christensen thanks for the reminder, Rene! I’ll see if I can find some time to cut that part out and upload a short video for it! You rock!
@Rene_Christensen
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCornerYou should consider having a chat with Lampos whose case I showed. He knows a lot more about the practicalities of loudspeaker design than me and what to do about these issues.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
@@Rene_Christensen indeed, I need to. I’ve got a few more folks I’d like to have on. You as well.
@SpikeP100
Жыл бұрын
Love the indepth and actual understanding. Surround rekated issues have been a challenge with the 3D printed drivers. Still plan to send a drsign out someday. Expect to get destroyed by your standards but would be very helpful - Polymate3D . Keep up the great work!
@vintageflanker7096
Жыл бұрын
Nice job, Erin, If you like the Forty, you really should give a listen/analysis to the Evoke 20. I assume that you finally reached Dynaudio to get this one, so it could be interesting to see the Evoke measured as well. To my ears, the Evoke 20 are way smoother and less colored/more balanced across the spectrum. Suitable for high SPLs indeed, the woofers from Dyn are absolutely impressive.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for the suggestion. I’ll look into those. As I mentioned in the video, these came from a friend who happens to be a distributor. Not from Dyn directly.
@vintageflanker7096
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Yes, I heard this after I posted... So you didn't get any answer from Dyn directly?
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
@@vintageflanker7096 I did not.
@JosephTongret
Жыл бұрын
I have a pair of the Evoke 20 in my bedroom that are used for TV/music. I don't use a sub in this setup, but the bass they provide is surprising. I find them to be smooth sounding also. Their sound is just easy to listen to and there's nothing about them that seems wrong or offensive to me. Very easy speaker to like.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
@@JosephTongret I need to try to get a pair to review.
@318ishonk
Жыл бұрын
I very much loved my Special 40s and was well able to live with it's slightly coloured sound. The tweeter alone is a real dream. But compare that speaker (plus amplifier of 2 grand or more) with a Buchardt Anniversary 10 and suddenly that more modern speaker looks more attractive. Lower bass, super low distortion and versatile, adjustable sound signatures.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I think I’ll be reviewing the Buchardt 10 soon-ish.
@DearSX
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCornerery much looking forward to that one
@Tom_the_great
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCornerwhen you do get the 10’s can you please text the analog input on the wireless bridge with a turntable? I’m seriously considering getting them and was curious about the a/d conversion. Thanks
@mcsenny4793
Жыл бұрын
Hello Erin! Would you consider doing a video explained what phase is along with explaining stuff such as FIR filters and ringing? I believe Dirac uses some FIR filter correction and for the DIY person there is of course rePhase.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@freone111
Жыл бұрын
Erin, I am not sure if you saw the video but Dynaudio has one of the most sophisticated speaker measuring tools and room. Keep up the good work.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I did.
@dudemastermaster8944
Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day nearly every speaker is a compromise due to cost vs revenue. What do you think the extra special lacquer of the SP40 alone costs the buyer at the end: in my opinion a lot!
@dougg1075
Жыл бұрын
Great review man. Obtuse will always make me think of Shawshank redemption
@RanTausi
Жыл бұрын
Hi Erin, i wish if you could do the Emit20, more reasonable price around 1000 USD. Appreciate 👍
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Noted!
@tonygutermuth9347
Жыл бұрын
Do you think the precision of the imaging could be related to the response between left and right speakers being very similar? I've wondered in the past if precision imaging is enhanced by the individual driver quality control and whether the output from each speaker mirrors the other side.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I definitely do. In fact, I’ve been thinking of re-implementing my tests of where I would compare the response of speaker pairs because of this. I definitely believe that stereo matching plays a huge role in imaging precision.
@Audio_Simon
Жыл бұрын
Might depend on your ear pair matching :p I matched my speaker levels at the listening seat with a mic, but I find to get the image in centre (for my ears) I need to increase the left one like 0.5dB.
@FOH3663
Жыл бұрын
Astute point, hand matched pairing can be vital. Variances in the acoustic summation of the pair, uncorelated to correlated ... is of less importance for perceived loudness and intensity. However, to re-assimilate a recorded event, tight tolerance L/R matching can reveal more dimensionality. (Bill Duddleston at Legacy Loudspeakers hand matches the upper half of his offerings ... and the clear benefits he claims in soundstage resolution)
@paulsnow4181
Жыл бұрын
How do the SP40's compare to the Kef R3 Meta's? Ive heard the timing of the drivers are off on the R3 Meta's by some reviewers.
@AbsoluteFidelity
Жыл бұрын
I would rather take a dip at 1-3khz than a 1-5khz spike. Its always nasty and when some note lands on that spike it can sound like the tweeter is breaking up something, a very coarse like kind of sound. Ive heard these speakers and I noticed a grainy sound on a couple of tracks, but when that grainy sound didnt show up it sounded real good, I mean REAL GOOD, something I could listen for hours. Turn up the volume and that coarse sound shows up more frequently, again, depending on the track (usually high pitched female vocals). Nearly bought them, but hesistated due to that harshness (seldom but repeatable). Went for the Polk R700 that time, I know its a weird alternative but I keep my options open to anything.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I am with you there. Still, would be nice if it weren’t there because - while not terrible - it is missing when compared to a more neutral response in that particular region.
@damianzaninovich4900
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful job Erin. I think Dynaudio needs a Klippel machine in their garage. I always wondered to design a smaller 6.5-7” speaker with the box as a passive radiator to get a fuller sound especially with the front baffle 3+ ft out and 4-5 ft from a side wall. Usually a tower is needed. My first speakers in 1977 were Polk 10 larger box on a short stand no bracing way too much bass for my bedroom but sounded good with early Byrds and certain bass light recordings.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
They actually have a really cool microphone array. Check it out: dynaudio.com/magazine/2018/december/how-jupiter-delivers-dynaudio-s-trademark-quality?hs_amp=true
@skavcic
Ай бұрын
They have Klippel.
@willbrink
4 ай бұрын
The Dynaudio "sound" is a bit dry and analytical for my tastes. "Laid back" to the point of boring? I never found their sound involving, at least the models I have heard. I also think they tend to be over priced compared to other modern offerings.
@rickg8015
Жыл бұрын
I had the early Contour 1.3 back in the early 90’s.. Also has a “glare” but higher up in frequency compared to the Forty’s ~3kHz..
@peanutbutterjellyjam2179
Жыл бұрын
Your time is always appreciated, Erin. Thank you.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@HP-lr3xv
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this truly excellent and very thorough review! When you started to talk about the issues in the 500 Hz region, John Atkinson’s review of 2018 immediately popped up in my mind, but you did found that one yourself. Interesting, this correlation between you and John. Despite that, I still very much enjoy this speaker on a day to day basis, it’s the first bookshelf speaker I owned that made me start wondering why I always bought floorstanders in the past.
@bbfoto7248
Жыл бұрын
@Erin's Audio Corner First off, shout out to Scott Welch at Aegis Distribution for getting the Dyn Special 40s to you! 👍 He's been a mainstay in the car audio world for many years. And Erin, I really enjoyed your "deep dive" on this particular review, though I know it must have been a bit more work to put together and produce. As you and several others have mentioned in the comments, I think that Dynaudio's tighter and more closely matched specs and tolerances might be at least one of the key attributes "in play" regarding their more precise imaging while also still maintaining the wide dispersion. We both know from experience that the Left vs Right FR and balancing is extremely important in order to achieve excellent and spatially linear L-to-R imaging and tight focus in the car audio environment, so in my mind there's no doubt it's the same in home audio as well. This is also what all of the best professional studio monitors strive for, and what I've experienced when designing and building my own DIY home loudspeaker projects with the help of our fairly powerful multichannel car audio DSP's amplitude response matching via PEQ, time alignment/IR, X/Os, etc. BTW, IIRC, Jason Bertholomey has been using a pair of the Dyn Special 40s in his main home listening rig for a few years now, and he seems pleased enough with them to have kept them. Pretty sure he has also matched them up with a pair of the smaller REL T7X subwoofers, though. I'll point him to this review just in case he hasn't seen it...being of similar mind, I'm sure he'd be curious about the measurements vs listening impressions, even though I don't expect it'll change his mind regarding what he likes about them. Great work (as always, of course) on this review! But I'd also like to add that your content, and especially your delivery, keep getting better with each one, and has long ago exceeded all expections. So good on you, mate! 👍 It's great to see and hear your knowledge and insights finally reaching and positively affecting a much wider audience. Cheers
@carthage7757
Жыл бұрын
I heard the S40 and The Rubicon2 was a beter speaker for my liking and costs just 2k in Europe
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I’ll have to check that one out.
@gregmatula9749
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for highlighting the edge termination issue.
@seanb3303
Жыл бұрын
Erin likes the BBC dip 😀. I do too if it’s slight. The crossover area is just bad news and those frequencies are sharp so most passive speakers it seems are voiced with a small dip…unless they are home theater speakers…which is often a different voicing.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
It’s not that I like it. More that I don’t hate it. 😅
@jdm-uk-yank
11 ай бұрын
I have the Dynaudio Heritage Specials and I've heard a couple people say there was a bit of sibalance. I've never heard it. I wonder if it's due to the Class A preamp and monoblocks.
@tkyr7021
8 ай бұрын
I am having a really hard time deciding between the Special Forty, Buchardt S400 MK II, KEF R3 and Ascend Sierra. 🤬
@kobush18
Жыл бұрын
Excellent review 💯👍 Can you review british speaker like graham harbeth proac spendor or tannoy?
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I'll check it out.
@-onemoretry
Жыл бұрын
Saw the title thought this was about the Motion XT B100 again lol.
@RafaelGrigorian
9 ай бұрын
Great review Erin! I've had Special 40's for couple years now, and I really like them. Pretty much the best pair I've ever had, but if I start thinking about an upgrade one day, which speaker in your opinion c considered better than SP40 in every way? Of course Heritage Special is on my list, but that pair is twice the price of the Forties.
@brucermarino
Жыл бұрын
Great review. The insight is invaluable. Thanks!
@oliverbeard7912
Жыл бұрын
Thanks again Erin. Nicely done as always.👍
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@colinchang1543
Жыл бұрын
Great as usual :) Your presentation feels effortless at this point. Wish you could get your hands on some ATC SCM11's.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Maybe one day on the ATCs.
@FOH3663
Жыл бұрын
Notes I took; - The inexplicable 600hz dip? Perhaps it's destructive summation, ... as the spectral decay exhibits latent stuff around 600hz, in addition to the polars showing the 600 and 700hz energy emanating outward. - The tighter pattern, less sidewall interaction (relys more in your head) Wide dispersion, more sidewall interaction (greater apparent source width, yes, but adds a room element that anchors the soundstage with characteristics). - Above the trend line an octave wide 2dB bump @3k. "the 600, ... 800, 900hz resonances weren't nearly as annoying as the 3k. A quick look shows @80dB, 3k is about +5dB hotter perceived. Another superb piece of work Erin, just killer.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, man!!! Keep that Front of House rockin!!!!
@gordthor5351
Жыл бұрын
I don't listen at extreme volume, but I do push my speakers to the limit to see how clean they can stay at very high volume. For me it's a testament of the quality of the speaker. It's also a good test to see how difficult a load a speaker might be by pushing them on different levels of power reserve. For instance, the LS50s can't stay clean to even close to 100W on a 100-150W amp (even if high current), but they can stay rock solid at well over 100W on my JC1 mono blocks.
@connorduke4619
Жыл бұрын
The 3Khz peak is audible on sound demos and probably used by Dynaudio to sell the Special Forty to unwitting investment bankers seeking the "showroom sound". I have the Evoke 10s and they behave much better overall and also have an irregular enclosure rather than a simple box shape.
@vladimirrusev468
Жыл бұрын
had the speakers - enclosure is crap for this pricetag :) ... the brightness is love it or hate it. There was music that i never hear sound so realistic and airy... and other one, that was just annoying "sharp" or "screaming". After a year or so i sold them. But was a nice experience tough. Dyn did a heritage after that for a double the price. Will be interesting to hear them.
@bbfoto7248
Жыл бұрын
@vladimirrusev468 One of Erin's friends from the car audio world and who's ears and opinions I trust has posted a comment here just below yours ( @jasonbertholomey1142 ), and he also previously owned these Dyn Special 40 for a while, and now owns the Heritage Special. I think he has kept them so far, so he must be liking them. 🙂 But IMO, given their price tag (if purchased new), I also think that the enclosure even for the Heritage Special is still "crap" as well. 😊 I've used several of the Dynaudio Esotar² drivers in home and car audio DIY projects and know just how well they can perform. And when they are properly implemented, they can really bring some magic to the party. In some ways, it's a bit easier for us car audio guys, because we typically use some fairly high-end 8 to 12+ channel DSPs that allow us to take acoustic measurements and play with infinitely adjustable Levels, custom Crossovers, Digital Delay (time alignment), 31-band P-EQ, and Phase Rotation for Each Independent Channel and speaker/driver, which can potentially work out some of the kinks like the ones seen here. But, then we also have to deal with the crazy and highly-reflective "small room" issues of the acoustics of the car audio environment. 🥴
@dl6519
Жыл бұрын
Excellent review, Erin! To what do you attribute the unexpectedly precise imaging for a wide-pattern speaker? Even if you can only speculate, I'm interested in your thoughts.
@bennyblanco14
Жыл бұрын
Scott is a great guy and helped me out alot when i first got into the SQ side of car audio
@njrumenos
Жыл бұрын
Hey Erin, is your measuring equipment capable of measuring spectral decay? I believe the spectral decay can highlight artificial properties and can be vital data for viewers
@playbackvintagehifihunter9669
Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate your analysis. Hopefully you'll be able to analyze a pair of the newer ls3/5a speakers from manufacturers such as Falcon, KEF etc..
@DanielFlores5555
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the review! I'd really appreciate it if you could review the current Focus and the (now obsolete) Xeo line of Dynaudio speakers. Those are active speakers from Dynaudio and it would be really interesting to see how they are different from passive counterparts and how they are compared to competition, such as Genelec and so on.
@richarddegannes2928
8 ай бұрын
Hi Eric, Happy Holidays. I live in the Caribbean on the island of Trinidad and have no way to audition any speakers, hence trying to buy a speaker based on your reviews. Between KEF R3 Meta and these Dynaudio Special Forty speakers, which in your opinion is the better speakers for most genres of music? My amplifier is a Parasound A21+. TIA.
@ErinsAudioCorner
8 ай бұрын
The KEF is a more neutral sound signature overall so I would probably lean toward that. However, the Dyns have more bass and dynamic range capability.
@richarddegannes2928
8 ай бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks for reaching out. Much appreciated.
@adrianegowski5012
Жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Considering to purchase these speakers. Exactly what i needed :)
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@adrianegowski5012
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner do you think that this excellent imagining may be due to 'alive' cabinet?
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
@@adrianegowski5012 my guess is it’s more to do with speaker response matching but I haven’t verified that yet.
@gerrylynch3991
Жыл бұрын
Second pronunciation of Vacaville (like vacuum) was correct. I grew up in the next town over, Fairfield...
@getdealtwithquick
29 күн бұрын
This speaker is a great example of why no one should buy only or primarily based on measurements. Listen to them. They got trashed on ASR yet when I heard them in a demo room for the first time, they absolutely blew me away. The tweeter and bass extension was amazing, I got up to make sure the shop wasn't playing a sub, ridiculous for a bookshelf. We're they perfect? Of course not. Do they have a great midrange? No. The peaks everyone measured are actually audible, at loud volume you can literally hear the cabinet ringing making them sound a big boxy. Do they play as low as a floorstander? Nope. But would I personally pick them over a clinical and cold Kef or even a $10k Revel (now $5K on sale, cough) that don't touch the S40 in dynamics? Every day of the week. Put om on great stands, hook up a high current amp and run room correction over the signal, maybe boost the mids a bit and have FUN listening.
@officialchill1706
Жыл бұрын
Difficult to get over the price when looking at the linearity issues... and things like R3 meta, Wharfedale Lintons etc existing
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I hear you. I think the one thing these have over the R3 Meta is output.
@skavcic
Ай бұрын
Meta has higher distortion and is made in China.As are Lintons.
@channel4ferrets
Жыл бұрын
I have never measured speakers. I either like the sound or I don't ;)
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Okay. 🤷♂️
@JACT1101
Жыл бұрын
If you measured a speaker you do like then you could find out why you like that speaker over another,instead of just guessing.
@jcisme
Жыл бұрын
An excellent review...
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@mykeldg
Жыл бұрын
Your upper midrange observation is accurate. It really baffled me when i had them as they were warm and laidback but somehow found them uncomfortable in the upper midrange area. And sometimes i feel like there is a disconnect in terms of coherence where the lower midrange is warm but upper part is kinda harsh which made it sound amazing in some songs and unlistenable to others.
@davidfuller581
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is the Dynaudio "sound", so to speak - the dip around 1k is a common thing they seem to always have, and it's quite audible as a "scooped" response - plus that bit of presence sizzle.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Well, the Heritage Specials I have coming soon are different. Unless they are an exception to the rule.
@davidfuller581
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner they very well may be, but the scooped + sizzle thing is definitely been indicative of every Dyn I've heard.
@pliedtka
Жыл бұрын
Listened to a few small powered monitors (5" woofer cone) side by side in the store and some how Dynaudio for the price they are asking seemed like not a really good deal - a bit too laid back, even though I'm normally after inoffensive, laid back sound rather than aggressive. I think I liked small Genelecs way more. As for the pesky 1.3k cone edge, with some drivers you can really hear it, with others not so much. Soft cones are the usual suspects, but the cone of SB17NRXC2 was redesigned to minimize the issue. I looked at Signature series woofers from Dayton and it seems like they designed the surround and cone to avoid the problem, though the alu cones rarely exhibit this fenomena. Also surround thicker at edge of the role minimizes the problem. I know Mark Kravchenko used this kind of custom surround in his design for OEM client. Unfortunately most manufacturers don't want spend the extra money, so we are stuck with the 1.3k glitch in FRD, raise in distortions and other issues.
@danielcarlsson615
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting review,s40 is (was) a dream speaker for me. And I saw Danny’s review too. What’s inside and so on. You need to put extra bracing in.
@matthewfrazee3352
Жыл бұрын
It seems the real flaw in these speakers are the cabinet resonances. If these are still manufactured in Denmark it was more than likely a compromise Dynaudio was willing to make to make to stay competitive in the market with other brands moving their manufacturing of speakers in this price range overseas.
@themaskedsingercucucachu8225
Жыл бұрын
they are not audible, if you look at the SPL from them, they are about 75db below signal. at a 40db delta the human brain will discard the information.
@matthewfrazee3352
Жыл бұрын
@@themaskedsingercucucachu8225 unless you want to place it closer to a wall. It is already rear ported and more energy radiating backwards is never good.
@adrianegowski5012
Жыл бұрын
I think this is by design. Look. At focus 200xd on stereophile. Similar cabinet size but much less resonances. I think Dynaudio engineers for some reason wanted this kind of cabinet.
@matthewfrazee3352
Жыл бұрын
@@themaskedsingercucucachu8225 good engineering and audibility are 2 different things.
@jamesswiggins
Жыл бұрын
Erin, awesome review as always. Could you share about the room you use for your subjective listening? How is it laid out and treated? I know the measurements are independent of this, but do you think your room configuration colors your subjective review? Or do you attempt to account for this?
@andrewpeel912
Жыл бұрын
Great review, very thorough! Have you checked out the dynaudio focus 20 XD, they're pretty much a powered version of the special 40, and when you compare the frequency response charts, it seems like dynaudio have corrected the flaws of the sp40, and then made a powered version of it.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Not yet. But maybe one day.
@paulpaulzadeh6172
Жыл бұрын
very nice Erin , with this price tag such poor quality, Dynaudio should get this and fix this
@abdo-dr1tu
Жыл бұрын
Having the most distortion at 1KHz is basically the worst case situation for a speaker. I’m surprised you didn’t really find it offensive.
@chinmeysway
Жыл бұрын
There’s always going to be some amount of subjectivity; science is never exempt of this entirely nor bias
@FOH3663
Жыл бұрын
Distortion vis-à-vis excessive energy due to an octave wide bump, ... possess varying significance as a function of level. So yeah, it's somewhat of a moving target.
@danielezzet8870
Жыл бұрын
Is there any explanation on why do you hear more a focused sound or "sharp" imaging on a wide radiation speaker like this? Had you experience something similar with some other speaker model with wide radiation?
@DougMen1
Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a review of the new JBL 600 series, with two models under $1000, one with a 5" woofer, one with a 6.5" one, and both with a compression horn tweeter.
@bencausey
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your reviews. One man’s selfish nitpicking: I wonder if you’d consider beginning (or time stamping a place) with a more traditional, quick overview of your final conclusions of the overall sound of the speakers you review? For example, briefly stating if you’d recommend it, and a quick description of its sound characteristics (highs, mids, lows, soundstage, etc.). Then go into all the technical stuff. I bet you’d gain a larger audience. For example, I myself just want to know how the speakers generally sound - I find myself skipping past most of your tech content to find simple summative statements like “it can sound too bright” or “they really disappear”, etc. I am the consumer who’s constantly looking for how speakers sound, so that I know what to purchase next or what to recommend to friends. I’m guessing there are a lot more like me. Again, just my two cents. One might say “then go get that from other reviewers” - true, that’s possible, but I respect your knowledge base so much that I want to add your simple, general opinion into the mix; and I can’t if it’s buried in 20min of technical spec talk. Maybe with a tweak, I (we) could have the best of both worlds? Thanks so much for reading and considering. 👍
@StealthBlazer
Жыл бұрын
Erin, I'll watch keep watching ur videos. I'll understand what's going on. Soon emuff.
@Audio_Simon
Жыл бұрын
Ooh special 40 gets the special treatment 😅
@pliedtka
Жыл бұрын
Exactly 👍
@cruise2023
Жыл бұрын
These are renown to measure so so and have cheap crossover parts, but sound great, Go Figure !
@Jason-sr3pr
Жыл бұрын
Hi Erin. Great info and insights as always. Much appreciated. I have a somewhat unrelated question - occasionally on used markets I see speakers advertised with some damage to the cones (the KEF LS50 variants are a great/not great example). They're usually indentations of various sizes. Almost invariably the seller goes on to say "Does not effect sound quality". My question is, does it? Or qualifying, does it in any meaningful way? Would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks!
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
It absolutely does effect the speaker. But the degree to which it matters can vary. Say, for example, we have a 6.5” midwoofer paired with a 1” tweeter. The woofer has a dent. The damage will alter the response above the beaming point because there is no symmetry in the cone. Let’s say roughly at 2.5kHz there is a huge peak that wouldn’t otherwise be there. If the the crossover point is 2.0kHz and is second order then the peak gets through and creates harshness. If the crossover is digital and the slope is brickwalled then it wouldn’t have an effect because the woofer is cut off so abruptly anyway. In other words, you can have cases where the impact is minimal or extreme but you can’t assume there is no difference without testing it.
@Jason-sr3pr
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant, thanks for that thorough reply & example Erin. I’d naively presumed that to be the case, but with no particular expertise myself I couldn’t say for sure, other than using logic to assume there must be some adverse outcome from damage to drivers. Really appreciate all you’re doing for the audiophile community. I’m learning a huge amount from all your work, which I value greatly. Thanks again!
@Jason-sr3pr
Жыл бұрын
As a video idea, I’d be very interested to see some measured comparisons of a speaker with pristine drivers vs one/s with subtly and/or significantly damaged drivers, just to see what degree of impact that really has. Videos like that may exist, but having watched many hifi oriented uploads I’ve never seen anything like that. Thanks for considering the suggestion Erin. Cheers. Jason
@joentell
Жыл бұрын
Getting real good at these! What do you think caused the precise imaging? Maybe I missed it.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Tony commented above that it might be the response matching between the pair. And I’d tend to agree. So I’m gonna try to reincorporate that into my reviews.
@joentell
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner I've been messing with level matching at the speaker vs at MLP as well as matching FR at both locations to see what affects they have.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
@@joentell in car audio it’s a must. That’s where I learned the importance. But radiation width also plays a role based on experience.
@JakeKuyser
Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your work. Do you have any plans to review the SVS Prime Wireless Pro powered speakers? They are interesting as they have really good features and their specifications looks good but I can't find any proper measurements out there.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I actually emailed them to see if they’d be willing to loan me a pair and they said they would. I need to follow up.
@JakeKuyser
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner I hope they do send you a pair. I look forward to seeing the review!
@TheFibtastic
Жыл бұрын
I have a pair in a 2nd system, that I got used for fairly cheap. They’re to my ears excellent sounding speakers in room…for their size. I’m aware of their measurements but they make a nice contrast to my Harbeth and JBLs. I’ll add that I’ve really liked them in a small room… in a large room, i heard the dip. It’s an interesting thing with regards to measurements as, for example, the measurement aberrations on a pair of the Klipsch Heresy IV really lined up with me hating them. Here… I actually really like the speaker, despite understanding it’s deviations. That said at the full msrp I wouldn’t recommend them. I’ve heard better and prefer, in general, bigger speakers.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I agree on all fronts. This has been an interesting speaker for me.
@TylerStout
Жыл бұрын
20:26 is it possible that around the 100-150hz spot the speaker is amplifier limited? That's where impedance is lowest so it would make sense. Even if it was the amplifier I'd assume you have a good amp so realistically you could blame it on the speaker.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
The amplifier is stable to 2 ohms and about 1500w so I don’t expect that is the problem. But sometimes coincidence isn’t just coincidence. So I’ll keep that in mind.
@alexw890
Жыл бұрын
This is fun for me too, Erin!
@myronhelton4441
22 күн бұрын
Dynadio is worlds best speaker sound in tone, so at some frequency you explain that no one can understand, that it aint perfect. Its the most perfect speaker out there. It would be nice if you could show us speakers playing against each other to explain your point.
@ErinsAudioCorner
22 күн бұрын
Dude. Even Dynaudio themselves agreed with my review. Calm down.
@disienna
Жыл бұрын
Scott might like a shot as well.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@djfirestormx
Жыл бұрын
not all amazing speakers mesure technically well, the naturalness and relative response often superceeds all measurment...sometimes
@dananskidolf
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting review. I don't suppose you've had much experience with Dynaudio's subwoofers? I've been lured towards a deal on an 18s, but there seems to be very few mentions of it and no measurements around.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
I haven’t, other than their car audio subwoofer.
@dananskidolf
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Ah perhaps not sensible to translate any expectations over from that to this studio one. Though was it also a dual opposed setup? I've heard they're common in car audio to save space.
@bbfoto7248
Жыл бұрын
@@dananskidolf Dual-opposed subwoofer designs aren't as popular in car audio systems as they probably should be. But that's probably because the one larger dimension that results from having the two "stacked" or horizontally oppossed drivers usually becomes more of a problem when trying to fit multiple subwoofers into the confines of a vehicle. Sure, the enclosure can be relatively small, but just the back-to-back depth of the drivers themselves can make it difficult to implement in a lot of vehicles. Single subwoofers or multiple subwoofers that are oriented side-by-side will usually "nest" or fit better into the typical nooks & crannies of a vehicle's interior cargo space or trunk, etc. Regarding the Dynaudio 18S, if you'll be using the it for its intended purpose in a smaller to mid-size studio monitoring environment where you want *Balanced & Accurate* Low Frequency Response, I wouldn't hesitate to use it, especially if you can get a favorable pricing. I use the even smaller ~250w single 10" Neumann KH 750 active DSP subwoofer in my small home studio (Drummer & saxophonist), and it is excellent in that environment and for that purpose. It replaced my initial entry level PreSonus Temblor T10 active studio subwoofer which gave up the ghost after less than 2 years, and the Neumann KH 750 was shockingly better (and more so than the price difference would suggest). But neither the Dynaudio 18S or Neumann KH 750 would be my first choice if your application is for a Home Theater or 2-channel HiFi setup in anything other than a very small room. Using multiples would help, but at that point I think there are better options in regards to price/performance for Home Theater or larger 2-channel HiFi rooms. But in addition to the dual-opposed drivers, it's the active DSP/amplifier features in the 18S that give it excellent potential to be well-integrated into any type of "satellite + sub" setup, and a definite advantage for optimization in a small monitor + subwoofer studio environment. Side Note: If you get one, make sure it has the latest firmware update for the DSP (download then update via the rear USB port). I've heard and used Dynaudio's Esotar² 1200 12" subwoofer and Esotar² 430 midrange drivers in a car audio environment, and identical or nearly identical drivers from their TOTL Esotar² lineup are also used in their high-end home and studio monitor products. The Esotar² are all extremely well-regarded drivers and offer excellent base performance regardless of the environment they're used in. Like most Scanspeak drivers, they are well-respected and known to have fairly tight and consitent tolerances and excellent build quality. But, as we see here, some aspects of HOW these two Dynaudio drivers were implemented just doesn't seem ideal, and for their premium price I would expect (and want) better. Like Erin, I come more from a DIY background, and if I were to choose a raw Subwoofer DRIVER for a DIY design over the Esotar² 1200 subwoofer, it would be the 13" (12.5") Scanspeak 32W/4878T01 or T05 (automotive version). It matches or bests all of the Esotar² 1200's already fantastic specs and is almost half the price. There are also the excellent Acoustic Elegance drivers that are designed and offered by John Janowitz (AE Speakers). But I understand if you're looking for an "off-the-shelf" solution, and the active DSP and purpose-matched amplifier in the 18S would be harder to duplicate in a DIY design, though there are some good DSP "Plate Amplifiers" on the market now.
@dananskidolf
Жыл бұрын
@@bbfoto7248 Wow, thanks for the mega info dump. > Regarding the Dynaudio 18S, if you'll be using the it for its intended purpose in a smaller to mid-size studio monitoring environment where you want Balanced & Accurate Low Frequency Response, I wouldn't hesitate to use it, especially if you can get a favorable pricing. Exactly what I was expecting / hoping for. It's just a home studio - hobby work only, not pro. I checked with Dynaudio for a sanity check in my room size and with my speakers and they agreed it should be appropriate, so I hit buy. It seemed quite a steal second hand. I haven't seen anything else with these features and low frequency range under £800. Just hoping it's all in good working condition as claimed. I'll be sure to check the firmware as you suggest. I'll consider a DIY build if/when I do a home cinema setup. It sounds like a fun thing to do, though I might be better off not adding even more hobbies to my life! But for this sub I wanted to be confident I could get it pretty smooth for doing decent mixing. Something off the shelf seemed safer to me.
@themaskedsingercucucachu8225
Жыл бұрын
I own the special 40s and contour series 30s... they are good and in use in my home theater. But, my favorites I own, and have heard, are Spendor D7s. Disappearing speakers that are pure joy and play piano perfectly.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@themaskedsingercucucachu8225
Жыл бұрын
forgot to say... GOOD JOB! very nice review. best reviewer on youtube by far.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
@@themaskedsingercucucachu8225 well, thank you very much.
@ChicagoRob2
Жыл бұрын
I’d take Spendor over Dynaudio every day of the week.
@themaskedsingercucucachu8225
Жыл бұрын
me too! @@ChicagoRob2
@CovertOperative
Жыл бұрын
review the components, the crossover consists of mediocre caps, inductor and wiring
@CC-xu2yz
Жыл бұрын
lol
@skavcic
Ай бұрын
Crossover components are fine.
@erics.4113
Жыл бұрын
I reallllllyy liked these speakers and almost took them home. Especially in the red finish. They looked awesome. I was able to get them to bottom out, but it took a good heaping of D'Agostino watts to get them there. Such a unique sound and presentation. I'm hoping to hear Heritage Special one day
@bigraceglen
9 ай бұрын
Like you to do power Yamaha Studio speakers
@norbertgorka1130
Жыл бұрын
Will this one's works well in a soundproofed room?
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
It could benefit from wall absorption due to the directivity error. But that will also alter the HF.
@Audfile
Жыл бұрын
They should have just increased the price and made it perfect.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
Haha. You’re not entirely wrong.
@tfunk1829
Жыл бұрын
Have you did a new car build?
@matiaserp
Жыл бұрын
Super interesting
@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah
Жыл бұрын
Wow I'm pretty early. Good stuff as always but yeah for the asking price... Mid at best
@ACM1000000PT
Жыл бұрын
Great content and review as always But the title come on.. XD is not like the speaker measure bad
@ErinsAudioCorner
Жыл бұрын
That’s the point. It is not very linear and first reaction is one of “whoa, that’s not good”. But when you break it down you realize it’s not terrible, either. Thus the “?” at the end of the title.
@ACM1000000PT
Жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner man i love how you always take the time to answer hahahaha keep having fun and happy listening ! :) *please towers*😆😆😆
@stephenjamieson1356
Жыл бұрын
Vacaville (vac same as vacuum).
@zzt231gr
Жыл бұрын
Hey Erin,please try the Elac Carina floorstanders!
@Artcore103
Жыл бұрын
You could dampen the cabinet if you bought these. easy fix.
@Dasbeerboots
Жыл бұрын
It's Vack-uh-vill :)
@dashcorbett7354
Жыл бұрын
Hey, everybody...
@alexcristi878
Жыл бұрын
at the price of 3000 dollars and those problems with the enclosure and the cone , i will be stuck with my cheap speakers
@donaldkillian9864
7 ай бұрын
So expensive speakers get a pass and budget speakers everyone loves are crap, got it !
@ErinsAudioCorner
7 ай бұрын
Be specific. There are plenty of budget Speakers I enjoy. I’m going to guess you own some that I don’t like.
@donaldkillian9864
7 ай бұрын
Sorry been trying to find the best speaker around three hundred and you keep shooting them down what do you recommend specifically
@ErinsAudioCorner
7 ай бұрын
I’ve liked 11 of the 15 speakers I have reviewed recently. All ranging in price from $150-$3000. 🤷♂️
@donaldkillian9864
7 ай бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks !
@peterpida1840
Жыл бұрын
And of course I would like to point out the review from GR Research: kzitem.info/news/bejne/kYqu1aaNoqtoa6w He is talking about the same resonance like you. And how about crossover parts quality?
@skavcic
Ай бұрын
Crossover parts quality is fine.
@peterpida1840
Ай бұрын
@@skavcic are you sure?
@IsmaelMartinezPR
Жыл бұрын
I did not see a photo of the speaker. If you dont include a shot (like the tweeters and the other Dynaudio ) of the speaker, it becomes a straihg talking head video and ehh, it's your channel. My guess is that you may want to keep it entertaining, a talking head is not. Cheers
@snoopyboobs
Жыл бұрын
vaca not veyca
@DougMen1
Жыл бұрын
I've never been impressed with any Dynaudio speaker that I've ever heard. For $3k there's a lot better to be had. Hell, for $2200 the KEF R3 Meta stomps all over this flawed poorly designed POS. Even the $699 Elac DBR62 does, as do similar under $1000 speakers from KEF again, Polk, Dali, Wharfedale, Monitor Audio, Revel, and several others.
@skavcic
Ай бұрын
R3 Meta is worse than this.
@DJMikeron
7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 just go to a shop and listen to the special 40 they will bow your mind. Don’t listen to him or specifications. This is of no use to anyone. But he is entitled to his subjective opinion.
@ChicagoRob2
Жыл бұрын
Overhyped and overpriced
@Diatonic5th
Жыл бұрын
Excellent review! The Special Forty are waaaay overpriced.
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