Comments from an old Yank..about old boats. You are showing what you have learned. That's a good thing. I learned that lower priced boats generally have higher hidden costs. Listen to your surveyor and anticipate that he will not find all the issues on your boat. Set aside a schedule for inspections and another for maintaining systems. Adhere to those schedules. Everything on a boat vibrates and fasteners never get tighter (though they can freeze into place). Good job on the video you guys. I like the happy attitude that comes through. Walter is still the star...
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Wayhay thanks Lennie! It’s been a real adventure that’s for sure. I think that’s one of our biggest learnings is take everything a surveyor says with a pinch of salt. They make some things sound far worse than they are, but also they totally miss some quite big ticket items. Your titbit about fasteners definitely holds true 😂 we’ve experienced that a bunch. Walt is our favourite too 🧡
@wgoedhard
Жыл бұрын
Also, I believe that having a mechanic look over the oily bits and have an epoxy-guy look over the rest is worth the investment. They work with what can/will be wrong with boats on a daily basis and it would have saved me from some surprises 'my' surveyor missed... (e.g. small stress-cracks in the framework etc)
@MartinPHunter
Жыл бұрын
Buy small/old and go now. Also older boats are made with more material, heavier normally makes a more sea worthy boat.
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Very true Martin, I love that saying.
@dougdrinkwater5843
Жыл бұрын
I picked up a 45 year old 30 foot boat the winter before last. It wasn't a $1 dollar boat, but I didn't pay anything significant. She has spent half a year on the hard and is back in the water again. When it is all said and told; it's not going to be any cheaper for me to have fixed her up than it would have been to buy a newer boat in pristine condition. This does not count my labour time. In hindsight I actually kind of prefer having the opportunity to donate my time to my boat for the exact reasons stated in this video. Had I shelled out the big bucks for a boat in better shape I would have to discover all of her intricacies as things broke. When something isn't right on my girl; I will know exactly where to look and how to fix it. I may even have the spare part already. To me, this relationship with my boat is invaluable. It may be the difference between a jerry rigged solution that gets me to port, or a call to the coastguard that ends up with me loosing my boat. These old boats are beautiful creatures and we are putting our lives in their hands. The work getting them into sea worthy shape is not an investment, but rather an engagement. There is no better way to fall in love with a vessel than by stripping her down and taking the time to get into every little system. If I had to do it again, I would rather intimately fall in love with a boat through hard work and fastidious care; then try and buy that love with money.
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Hey Doug 👋🏼 this is definitely true. You end up knowing the boat so intimately you know where everything is in the boat, how all the cables run, the pipes run, and you know where the stuff is that is maybe on its last legs, so you always know where to check if anything does go wrong. And that is invaluable knowledge.
@kevburrows1955
Ай бұрын
Great summary..
@AndyUK-Corrival
Жыл бұрын
All very good points. My boat is 50yrs old and thankfully has been well looked after by all five previous owners, no pressure on me then lol. Having previously rebuilt a 48’ wooden fishing boat in a yard on the Hamble it is really the boat storage fees that can cripple a project like that. I was rebuilding it piecemeal which took time and ultimately added hugely to the cost. I vowed if I ever bought another doer upper I would only do it if I had the money to get the work done quickly and reduce storage costs. There are bargains out there, often not even officially for sale but you have to know what you are looking at to not get your fingers, and your wallet, burned. Andy UK
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Hi Andy 👋🏼 hahaha no pressure at all then. Yeh I think those yard fees just sort of sneak up on you. Paying it off monthly and when you get round to adding it all up. Ouch.
@kimhorton6109
Жыл бұрын
I think the couple from Sailing Magic Carpet are all the information I need to know I am not the person to buy and refit a personal boat. They have years in two or three renovations where they bring back a little ship to quite a bit more than it started life. I don’t have the skills, have never had any skill with tools of any kind. Hell, I can’t even do my own housekeeping. At 75, I will never have the time to gather up mentors and spend the time working at it. There is a certain romantic allure to the process though.
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Magic Carpet are fun we watch them sometimes too! Glad you enjoyed the video Kim ☺️
@williamforster3176
Жыл бұрын
Very good video. Informative. Realistic. Upbeat too.
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Will 😀 enjoyed making it tooooo.
@gordonclark1711
Жыл бұрын
A very informative video on many topics. Well worth watching. Thank you.
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Aaah thanks Gordon, lovely thing to say ☺️ glad you enjoyed it.
@jacobuszwanenburg1629
Жыл бұрын
Old or new it will require some work. Maintenance is important to stay on top of it and even then things wear out. Rot ! It’s on the water it has to sooner or later especially if not maintained
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Hi Jacobus! 👋🏼 true enough, but for sure an old boat has a higher chance of neglected, catch up maintenance.
@atschris
Жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with a good old boat. The biggest mistake is the romantic dream that YT/FB sells to people whilst they really have no idea of what they are buying, the work/costs/time involved to prepare and maintain it. For some, that’s not a problem or is manageable, but for others it can be a nightmare end to the dream they we’re sold. Unfortunately you don’t know what you don’t know.
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Very true words :) Hopefully not speaking from experience though!
@joeldelamirande5792
Жыл бұрын
Yes I totally agree as I bought my first boat for cheap 30 k later I’m pretty happy with it Even I spent above the resale value .she shines in the marina My C&c 30 1974 on the positive side she sails beautifully, I learned lots with the amazing sailors that love that brand, it was a good way to get into sailing But with the money I put into it I could a bigger boat
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
And you know the boat inside out too 😀
@sailingsmalldreamingbig9022
Жыл бұрын
Nice video! You are good entertainers - I knew every word you said (from my own experience) and still you made me watch the video from the beginning to the end ;) Fair winds!
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Aaaaaaw thanks guys. Was a really fun video to make. Fair winds and following seas ☺️
@sleethmitchell
Жыл бұрын
i've always bought cheapo boats. some were good; some were not so good. i've lived virtually rent-free for several decades. yeah, they're work and if you have no cash, they can be mighty stressful. that's life!
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I bet you have some great stories to tell!
@LondonerBerlin
Жыл бұрын
Good video. All valid points. Depends also on boat size. With a friend I have two 40 yr old “eBay” Beneteau First 24s. Always something to repair, redo etc. but really not so much and we do all ourselves and the costs are really low. And there again there are always things that need to be done and repaired on newer boats … you also have to haul these out each year, redo anti fouling, upgrade electronics, overhaul engine, replace mooring lines etc etc.
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Yeh I guess it doesn’t matter how old the boat is. There is still a load of consumables that need replacing periodically.
@LondonerBerlin
Жыл бұрын
Have you watched the Sailing Frenchman first videos with his "1 beer" boat across the Altantic ... or Windhippy Holly going around the world in a real basic small old boat ? The basic thing is to really know what you are doing, and to really know your boat in every repect, and to be prepared for every eventuality.
@LondonerBerlin
Жыл бұрын
The advantages of "ebay" 1 euro/ dollar/beer boats for me are ... 1. I don't cry when my boys hit the quay and scratch the hull 2. With reasonable costs I can ... - install the electric system and equipment that I want, and not have to live with what comes - I can put in an engine that I can rely on - replace the rigging with something I can trust. And if there is Osmosis, I patch it up
@LondonerBerlin
Жыл бұрын
Last comment ... whereas the hull speed increases with the square root of the LWL, the maintenance costs increase with a factor approaching the length cubed ... regardless whether boat is old or relatively new
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
I will definitely check these out thanks Martin.
@kateporter8779
Жыл бұрын
Joe, after watching your sailing adventues I can't imagine you ever wearing a suit and working in an office again!
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha hopefully the day won’t come 🙏🏼
@sailingprojectparrot
Жыл бұрын
True, we might spend more on our old boat, but at least we getting to know it well in the process, and my captain, like yours, enjoys the challenge….even if we won the lottery and our budget was bigger, there’d still always be things to fix 😂
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Yeh so true, I don’t think we’d change boat if we did won the lottery 😂 put so much work into Nendaz now. Wouldn’t wanna start again ok something else.
@paulcollins4932
Жыл бұрын
I heard of new boats developing critical faults in their first years and cost more to fix in exotic locations than an older boat . Buy something classic and look after it, learn to love it and it will reward you with years of service
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Yes I’ve heard this too! Lots of bug to iron out. Not to dissimilar with snagging on new houses.
@blackpig52
Жыл бұрын
Some of us don't have 200k or more to buy a new boat,I'd rather have my 50 year old boat than most new builds,she was built go Lloyds regs,not many are now
@nortonmolly
Жыл бұрын
How does qualify what old is. Is it 20 years or 35 years. It’s hard to describe but you know when you see it.
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Yes that is a good question, difficult to define! Our gal is 33/34 years old now ☺️ I'd say she is getting on a bit, but there are plenty of other much older boats out there.
@michaelatkins4501
Жыл бұрын
Question tho ? … we’ve all worked out the costs of living on the boat vs on land at some point ( and I rent so a big difference for me ) …. not counting and counting big things that went wrong how how has it fared was it anything close to what you worked out ??
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
This is definitely something worth considering. If you can live aboard whilst doing the work you need to do then for sure you keep your costs lower. Maybe even end up better off. But depends on those marina fees of course. Not every boat yard will let you sleep on the boat whilst you are on the hard for example. And in the UK they don’t always allow liveaboards a permanent marina berth on the water too.
@michaelatkins4501
Жыл бұрын
@@sailingnendaz I’ve noticed the marina costs get mad around the south west and get cheaper the more up country you go. We have found some middle ground that’s not bank braking ( for someone who rents ) and welcomes live aboards we’ve been wanting this life for years now but unfortunately there’s always something to stop us. First we had twins then covid 19 came along then lockdown 🙄 so touch wood 🪵 that’s the last of it we are now looking for the ideal boat ( on a budget ). We also hope to do a KZitem channel as we go. With luck we’ll one day see you out on the water until then thank you 🙏 for your feedback and stay safe
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
Twins would definitely keep you busy 😆 that’s so exciting though now, you are at the start of the next chapter or book even ☺️ fair winds and following seas 🌊
@billykey328
Жыл бұрын
I think you are full of yourself! Old boat all depends on the make
@sailingnendaz
Жыл бұрын
I actually totally disagree. It’s for the most part marketing. For what the vast majority of people do with their boats you don’t need a ‘blue water’ 5 inch thick hull with a full bodied keel. It’s marketing, or maybe just misinformation.
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