Truthfully, I found BOTH versions really nice, even given the "rough" parts. I like how you walk the viewer through the score.
@memomusica
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Henry! I'm a little surprised and frankly I was hesitant about making this episode because I actually felt bad about even exposing my viewers to deliberately "bland" playing. Some actually told me they even preferred the first version. So I'm stuck somewhere in between feeling happy that my videos are appreciated and questioning my own perception of what makes a musical performance come across as good or bad. I guess the best thing to do in this situation is just to play in whatever way feels right to me while staying aware that everyone listens for different things in a performance.
@99AJN
7 жыл бұрын
I think one might also point out that this is a parody ricercar beginning with a quotation from Josquin's motet "Benedicta es." Francesco also wrote two "Benedicta" ricercars, Nos. 87a and 87b, one of which is followed with an intabulation of the motet (Appendix 30) It might best have been included in the body of the edition as No. 87c. Nice performances in any event!
@owen261
7 жыл бұрын
Your philosophy on music is amazing!
@MrJonahWhaler
6 жыл бұрын
Great...
@PeriodinstrumentfaN
6 жыл бұрын
Dear Lukas, It's interesting that you use "Swing" as an analogy. Because aside from Swing as the music, it's also a dance aka Lindy Hop, or much later Jitterbug (and even 50s Rock N Roll). I love both Early Music, and Swing Music and Lindy Hop. In the late 1990s, being from a third world country, i had no other choice (no youtube yet) but to content myself with what ever book there was to learn the basics. It was hard at the time and futile. Books can only tell you so much as the steps. But cannot contain and communicate nuances like different styles; the many characteristic hand gestures and movements, head movements, stances etc. Digging deeper into Swing Music and Dance is much easier though. There are audio and film archives. And some of the noted dancer are still alive. Thank you for another wonderful episode. Early Music and Swing, very different yet very similar. ♥
@ido9988
7 жыл бұрын
I would like to add that early music is in a way like paleontology (Similar to your Indiana Jones analogy), but it does have that reconstruction aspect to it, maybe somewhat like reconstructive linguistics (Trying to guess how the ancients spoke in days of yore, using available clues), or maybe textual reconstruction. It is worth to note that in both of those (early music and the examples above), we know that we will never actually have a perfect reconstruction, but we can try come up reconstructions to varying degrees of accuracy. So in this sense the Jurassic Park analogy fails, because there, we just take the bones and achieve perfect copies of the former dinosaurs. But nevertheless, the Analogy is fairly accurate.
@jameslouder
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Lukas, for bringing a little welcome humour to a perennial topic, often the subject of silly arguments that sometimes degenerate into outright rancor. The great thing is to strike a balance between archaeology and imagination, so that one fleshes out the skeleton without cramming it into a skin that never could have clothed the bones. Speaking of re-creation, the second of those Mona Lisas, the copy that's in the Prado, may be a literal example. Long thought a baroque pastiche, cleaning revealed it to have been created in Leonardo's shop, but not by his hand. We are told Leonardo couldn't bear to part with the original, but Ser Francisco del Giocondo had surely paid for a portrait of his wife. Might this canvas from the brush of a pupil (Melzi?) be the one palmed off on him? Was it a lie or simply a "re-creation?" Wheels within wheels, bones within flesh, made incarnate and singing to us…
@memomusica
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks James! Regarding your words on the Gioconda/Mona Lisa: It's interesting to think that the original painting's color gamut and hence character and expression would look very similar to the (masterful) copy in the Prado had it ever been cleaned and restored in a similar fashion. The reason the copy got this treatment is that it, of course, doesn't have the holy-grail-status of the original and most people don't want the faded Mona Lisa to be restored because it would seem "wrong". And this is the weird oxymoron that we can translate to the early music world 1:1. People have gotten so aesthetically accustomed to old half-truths of historical performance practice, "un-restored" elements of the music that if someone presented them with something less "faded" they would disapprove with the same breath they just praised the old masters with. It is very apparent, that much "Historical Performance Practice" in the last few decades has actually focussed on refining things established in the 60s and 70s, as if they had everything right back then. So we are caught in a weird "loop" at the moment, one that I try to break as best I can.
@jameslouder
7 жыл бұрын
In a very real sense, we're lucky to have both the original Mona Lisa and the fine Prado copy, so in this case we can have our cake and eat it too. That wasn't the case with the Sistine Chapel, where the cleaning provoked a tremendous outcry among those for whom the dirt and candle-soot of centuries were as essential to the work as Michelangelo's brush-strokes--maybe more so. The present re-creation of the "original" decor at Chartres cathedral is being received by some as a revelation, by others as a travesty. Performing musicians are fortunate in the evanescence of their art. "I came like water and like wind I go," says the poet. The exaltation one feels at an interpretation that works is shot through with the heartbreak that once over it is gone forever. But the performance that falls flat is just as fleeting, blessedly so. There's so much more to be lost by staying hooped like a barrel by yesterday's sensibility, compared to what you have to gain by breaking out of it.
@anotherdamn6c
7 жыл бұрын
I would still hold on to part of the Indiana Jones analogy: I like the purpose of revealing the joy of history for the general population. On the other hand I'm afraid of the Jurassic Park banishment to our own island for any re-creation of the music! But yes, the re-recreation is fragile and beautiful and should be regrown carefully and passionately.
@memomusica
7 жыл бұрын
Yes! The "Indy"-aspect is a facet of our art that is always there, the fascination of history. And the lute and everything surrounding it keeps offering a personal, interactive access to this past quite unlike anything reading a book can offer. There is an adventurous aspect to this hands-on approach to our history. Thank you for watching and the comment!!! All the best, Lukas
@wapolo1974
7 жыл бұрын
Trying to recreate the past seems at times to be a bit like a fools errand. We'll never know exactly how anything was played back then, nor should we. As you stated in the video, music is a living thing, and should be played for the audiences of today in mind, not those of 500 years ago. Just my 2 cents, anyway. ;)
@memomusica
7 жыл бұрын
I agree, wapolo! Thanks for watching and commenting!
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