GOOD NEWS, EVERYONE! Consumer reports picked up on this video and did testing which confirmed that this issue affects nearly all Hyundai/Kia E-GMP platform cars (and I very much appreciate them giving a shoutout to this video!) www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/brake-lights-can-fail-to-provide-fair-warning-on-some-evs-a9533519285/ And now! Hyundai will fix this. They're calling it a "field service campaign" and it will begin in July. Weirdly, Kia hasn't said anything yet at the time of this comment's posting. www.autoblog.com/2023/06/15/kia-hyundai-genesis-one-pedal-braking/ Now, while I'm glad Hyundai is doing the right thing (and hopefully Kia does soon), I believe we still very much need a clear, unambiguous regulation to unify brake light behavior with features like one-pedal driving. We are still leaving too much up to manufacturers right now.
@cipriancimpan5538
Жыл бұрын
Great news - thanks for debugging the laws! ❤🖖
@Lennyp4
Жыл бұрын
nice work
@cframe47
Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video highlighting the car's charging issues next? There's widespread issues with Level 2 charging on the Ioniq 5 when charging at higher amperages (typically over 32 amps). The service campaign they released to address the issue simply throttles charging down to unacceptably low speeds. Doesn't seem like Hyundai cares enough to issue a recall.
@McDewgout
Жыл бұрын
"Field Service Campaign" Is that what we're calling "recalls" now? 😂
@LexYeen
Жыл бұрын
@@McDewgoutgamers know it as the release day patch.
@timseguine2
Жыл бұрын
As a software engineer I feel qualified to say that one man's software can also be the same man's nightmare.
@coagc9385
Жыл бұрын
Agreed 😂
@tsartomato
Жыл бұрын
nightmware
@monad_tcp
Жыл бұрын
"can also" ? as someone who's almost two decades doing this. software IS nightmare.
@davidegaruti2582
Жыл бұрын
@@tsartomatonighware
@nldoty
Жыл бұрын
I feel called out.
@phildittrich4361
Жыл бұрын
I’m an automotive lighting, safety engineer, and just shared this with my team. Keep up the good work 😇
@SirBlastalot
Жыл бұрын
If you're at one of the manufacturers that does this, could you ask the team to stop doing the thing where brakelights FLASH every time you press the brake? It bothers me when I see it, because flashing your brakes already means "back off," and sending that message every time you brake is like leaning on your horn every time you have the car in gear; it just leads to alert fatigue and reduces your ability to actually communicate with the drivers around you.
@reeftank706
Жыл бұрын
@@SirBlastalot in DFW area in Texas a lot of the dealers do an aftermarket device that flashes the brake lights.
@blasiankxng
Жыл бұрын
@@SirBlastalot I think this happens for safety reasons, a lot more noticeable that someone is braking at night, though i'm not entirely sure how true that may be
@cuitpoisson
Жыл бұрын
Also turning on reverse (white) lights when unlocking a car needs to stop. This makes it appear as if a car is about to back up, but it's just being unlocked in a dark environment. It adds alert fatigue which means when someone really is backing up, you might think they're just getting in the cars. I think Chevrolet does this and it drives me nuts.
@747simmer4
Жыл бұрын
@@SirBlastalot its a safety feature so you have no excuse but to notice them braking. in motorcycle academies they advise you to, albeit manually, flash the brakes before fully braking so you can be seen. your sadly a minority
@flopdos
Жыл бұрын
Got my "optional recall" update done today. Got the notice in the mail a few weeks ago. Pretty sure you are solely responsible for getting the ball rolling on this, and thank you so much for that.
@BulanuRoz
Жыл бұрын
wait what,they actually did something about it unlike Ford?
@Meneer456
11 ай бұрын
Do you have a source for this?
@BulanuRoz
11 ай бұрын
what source mate are you blind,it's literally pinned by the guy who made the video@@Meneer456
@phaser125
11 ай бұрын
I just bought an Ioniq 5 and it works well, almost a little too aggressive on turning on brake lights when decelerating. I can't speak for any updates to existing owners, but they clearly updating it before I got mine this past week.@@Meneer456
@licious6033
10 ай бұрын
source: literally him
@AlexanderFable
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the imperial seconds to metric seconds conversion.
@adtc
2 ай бұрын
Yes I didn't need to pull out my calculator to convert.
@alanmalan3819
4 күн бұрын
Brake lights work like in gta san andreas that's your fault, Americans!
@flori5296
3 күн бұрын
technically there is a metric time that is different, but it was only used in France during the revolution and then reversed again. it has 10 hours a day 100 minutes an hour and 100 seconds a minute.
@SacsachCCABP
3 күн бұрын
@@flori5296 imagine if they stuck to the old Roman calendar of 10 months lol
@hugoiwata
Жыл бұрын
I love how your videos range from "I'm really bothered by this very small design issue in this very specific product" to "Many people may die because engineers are lazy"
@Orion_5764
Жыл бұрын
I could be totally wrong and this could be unwarranted but it definitely looks like you've been working out man. Looking amazing. Keep that s*** up 👍
@FishFind3000
Жыл бұрын
It’s not that engineers are lazy. It’s that manufactures are cheap. They can save an extra bulb and wiring. Easy money. As far as the software bmw already had this software designed into there cruise control. If it was slowing itself down it would illuminate the brakes if you were slowing down faster than some meters per second rate. This was back in 2008 as that’s what’s in my cars owners manual. People always say the Germans over engineer but they seem to actually think about the important things like brake lights. They also have a multi state brake light system so if your stomping on the brakes it illuminates a second set of lightbulbs, giving you more advanced notice as the driver behind them. They also flash your third brake light when you slam on your brakes and activate ABS. This multi stage braking system should be standard across the board for all manufactures.
@TaleDreamer
Жыл бұрын
@@FishFind3000 It's not that manufacturers are cheap. It's that upper management needs their $100k yearly bonus. They can charge customers the same amount and undercut production cost. Easy money.
@Dave_the_Dave
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes there's a fine line between the two. Sometimes not even that.
@goosenotmaverick1156
Жыл бұрын
@@TaleDreamer prioritizing profits over safety, as usual.
@chrispychreme02
Жыл бұрын
23:26 Thank you for converting the time to metric time. I was watching this with a friend from the UK, and it really helped him understand that 13 seconds US meant 13 seconds for him.
@JamEngulfer
Жыл бұрын
Common mistake, the UK actually uses a mix of metric and imperial, so 13 seconds is known as 13 seconds here.
@aawarrows8411
Жыл бұрын
Weird. Normally 15 seconds in the us is 16.7 seconds here
@edr3667
Жыл бұрын
Relatively speaking, the seconds differ in duration because international dateline and England=mc2
@janeblogs324
Жыл бұрын
Ah, but he's still calling it a gas pedal. You can't covert Americans way from stupid
@HxTurtle
Жыл бұрын
this is technically incorrect since you've to add the time the light takes to hop over the pond. 😂 rumor has it, your British friend is still looking for this donut chain you told him about, but can't find a anything resembling your spelling 🤣
@mayito_76
5 ай бұрын
I own a 2007 BMW, and let me tell you. It as an 'intensity' break light system. If you were press the break slightly it lights up slightly, but if you full press the pedal, the break light intensity is way higher (sorry for the redundancy). I thought it was very good, because it really makes a difference for the person behind me when they see me breaking regularly, to a hard break it shows a dramatic high intense light which definitely catches their attention and makes them aware that the breaking is being done way harder. I've never seen any other car with that system
@Ultra_64
Жыл бұрын
"The brake pedal was the only thing that can slow down the car enough to warrant turning on the brake light" My mangled standard transmission would like a word with you
@BillZinck
Жыл бұрын
I guess he has never driven a manual transmission in anything and never heard of engine breaking.
@LucGreco
Жыл бұрын
Unless its a diesel with an engine brake you are not getting that much engine braking to warrant the brake light
@mrnarfynoof
Жыл бұрын
@@LucGreco I’d like to see where the line is drawn, though.
@ValleysOfRain
Жыл бұрын
@@BillZinck "Engine breaking" is a good way of putting it if you over-rely on it. Engine braking is a useful technique, but it should only be used for moderate speed control, like going down shallow slopes or gradual reduction on a motorway. If you're using engine braking such that it warrants a brake light to come on, you're wearing out your gearbox - brake pads are cheap compared to a new gearbox.
@vk2aafhamradio
Жыл бұрын
@@ValleysOfRain Correct sentiment, but it's the clutch disc which is going to wear rapidly instead of wrecking the gearbox by using downshifting as a service brake.
@briantaylor3031
Жыл бұрын
Oh boy new car light episode dropped. Making my lunch break much better.
@Bukki13
Жыл бұрын
for us non patron viewers this dropped right before i started to eat some mcdonald’s
@Tibyon
Жыл бұрын
I love videos about car signals!
@SumriseHD
Жыл бұрын
Wake Up, Babe
@tranquil14738
Жыл бұрын
@@Bukki13madeline
@NewfieMan98
Жыл бұрын
Don't you mean *Brake* I'll show myself out.
@NothingOfficial668
Жыл бұрын
How this guy gets me and 2 million other people to watch a 29 min video about "another brake light problem" is pure magic. 🧙
@skorotkiewicz
Жыл бұрын
Because this is Technology Connections, I love his videos to!
@MrTrevortxeartxe
Жыл бұрын
Bro I'm thinking the exact same thing lmao
@23sam42
Жыл бұрын
TBF, I'd watch the sequel to this 😅
@lasarousi
Жыл бұрын
Petty complaining unifies "people"
@AnthonyShuker
Жыл бұрын
being surprised about learning things is strange honestly
@SecretAsianMan2222
7 ай бұрын
The accelerometer approach for the Bolt is actually a pretty decent idea since it's a hardware double check to the software's logic on pedal position. It's a redundant system, which, when talking about a safety item, is a good thing. Also, manual drivers are plenty used to not always having brake lights illuminated at traffic lights considering we can leave the car in neutral on a flat surface and not have to hold any pedals.
@rallychamp2003
3 ай бұрын
Plus accelerometers for vehicles are "solid state" i.e. have no moving parts and are thus inherently more reliable. They are cheap to manufacture and have a long history of durability and robustness. Accelerometers are often already part of vehicle assembly as they can be used in the electronic stability control safety module.
@bretthousman8317
3 ай бұрын
Also, I engine break in traffic in a 2600 pound car and my lights definitely don't come on lol. If I'm rolling 60 and go into 3rd gear yeah, the car is stopping a lot. With or without brakes.
@naufalap
2 ай бұрын
@@bretthousman8317 yeah but as manual drivers we tend to not follow others closely to prevent the whole hassle of braking and downshifting
@asleepydino
Ай бұрын
Less than 2% of drivers in my city drive manual, seeing the lack of brake lights at a traffic light more often means their lights are out than it being a manual driver in some sections of the city.
@TheLostGamer9070
27 күн бұрын
Totally agreed. I'd say it would be good to have both the pedal and the accelerometer turn on the break lights. I have been in plenty of situations where I use a hill to slow myself down, but it doesn't warn people behind me when I am doing that, and given I can continue to slow down with the gas pedal still pressed, having both ensures people will get a fair warning that I am slowing down.
@bannanaanna7104
Жыл бұрын
After I had watched this video last night, I decided to talk about this video with my coworker that I was driving with. After explaining it we were stopped at a red light behind a couple cars and THAT EXACT CAR PULLED UP IN THE LANE NEXT TO ME AND FLAWLESSLEY DEMONSTRATED THE ISSUE WITH THE BRAKES. I love when things like this happen directly after learning about them
@chansherly212
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Hank green
@dan_youtube
Жыл бұрын
As a truck driver I appreciate bringing up these nuances. As we need more time to stop and anticipate what's the driver in front thinking of doing, or usually not even thinking about it, it's very hard to see at a great distance. When you actually notice the car is showing down without the brake lights you are getting dangerously close.
@yinleung4350
Жыл бұрын
As a truck driver, do you think the brake light should come on when the exhaust brake alone is in action?
@blendpinexus1416
Жыл бұрын
@@yinleung4350 good question. definitely not with a full load.
@bracejos000
Жыл бұрын
As a fellow truck driver Ive been aware of this problem, but in trucks, not cars. Alot of trucks can change the operation of the jakes based on the position of the cruise control switch and if your using your jakes in throttle release mode, depending on the gear your in, you can be decelerating just as fast or faster than an EV without illuminating your brake lights. I personally only use that mode to maintain speed on a hill and all other scenarios have it set to activate when i touch the brakes so that people know im slowing down
@davidboatright6393
Жыл бұрын
@@yinleung4350 As someone whomst also has operated trucks, I would say that it depends on how strong the exhaust brake is. If it actually slows you down considerably like the regenerative braking or transmission retarders on heavy off highway equipment I would say yes, otherwise if it merely prevents further acceleration to higher speeds than I would say no.
@Joel-st5uw
Жыл бұрын
This. ⭐️
@peppermaker5227
Жыл бұрын
“May I remind you, I was able to stop my car from 60 miles per hour or 96 and a half kilometers per hour in 13 seconds or 13 seconds” This made my day 😂
@kobunnight
Жыл бұрын
As a certified horologist myself, I can confirm that 13 seconds is in fact equivalent to 13 seconds.
@karabenomar
Жыл бұрын
They may both sound like seconds but only one is FREEDOM SECONDS
@kindlin
Жыл бұрын
@@kobunnight Those damned seconds conversions, a real thinker, that one.
@kwrzesien17
Жыл бұрын
Thank god metric time never became a thing!
@lukem5798
Жыл бұрын
😂
@imelatedrn
4 ай бұрын
I haven't once heard someone mention this in more than a dozen electric vehicle reviews and many more related videos. I really appreciate your channel
@kangthao5121
Жыл бұрын
I love the engineers who decided to separate the rear turn signal light, and put them below the bumper, where you can see it from a distance ahead of you, but not when the vehicle is next to you, or in front of you.
@marcusdamberger
Жыл бұрын
I think this is Hyundai or Kia that has done this on recent models, Sportage? I don't like it, they are too far apart. I prefer all the lights to be at one level, so I don't have to glance up and down the rear of the car to know it's intentions. Plus I think they are just like what Alex complains about and I agree with, they are all red in color, not amber etc.
@maulerrw
Жыл бұрын
I see these in Aus frequently and it's absurd. We're all used to turn signals being somewhere in the middle of the cars height, about waist height, with all the other lights. And it's been like that on every car since the dawn of time. Suddenly on this car the indicators are at knee height instead and you're seeing their brake lights come on up high and it takes a second or two to realise there's an indicator down near the ground that blinking. So utterly dumb
@jmackinjersey1
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree that the HYU/KIA vehicles that have their brake and turn signals Below the Bumper Covers NEED to have them recalled Immediately and wired such that the lights that are above the bumper cover are used, the Traditional Location for many reasons.
@Cecedidic
Жыл бұрын
If you can't see the bumper it's considered tailgating in France but you're right too
@arthur_p_dent
Жыл бұрын
I believe this has to do with the car's back door. In Europe,turn signals must be visible at all times whether the back door is open or closed. Which means that if the door opens sideways, you can't have the indicators right next to them. You want the hazard lights to be completely visible when your car is standing at the hard shoulder of the motorway, even while you are grabbing the spare wheel from the (open) trunk. As a result, the European versions of quite a few cars have their turn signals (and tail lights) moved below the door, and only the brake lights where their American counterparts would also have the turn signals and the tail lights.
@Kahnanesgi
Жыл бұрын
Script comment: "I was able to stop my car from 60 MPH, [or] about 96 and half KPH, in 13 seconds, or 13 seconds." I absolutely loved that bit of snark on the time conversion from seconds to seconds. I love your channel for the discussions you bring to the table, but I also find it a complete joy when you drop in little quips like this.
@Nordic_Mechanic
Жыл бұрын
Metric seconds are more reliable. Doesnt rely on the amount of time a king takes to shit 🤣🤣
@gilgabro420
Жыл бұрын
@@Nordic_Mechanic matric time is also base 10 but it didn't get implemented. :( How much better the world would be with 100s in a min, 100 min in an hour, 10 hours in a day, 10 days in a week and 10 months in a year? What a sad world we live in. Metric time revolution now!
@quantumleap359
Жыл бұрын
I laughed out loud when you uttered that statement! So damn funny!
@joshshultz1250
Жыл бұрын
@@gilgabro420 It was actually awful and that's why it was never adopted
@mrbackup993
Жыл бұрын
@@gilgabro420 With metric time, seasons would be screwed in a matter of months if not less. I love the metric system don't get me wrong, but applying it to such a fluctuating thing is very difficult
@MrTrainman96
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad as a software developer you added the industry standard lightning sound effect when mentioning software
@JokeswithMitochondria
Жыл бұрын
haha same
@tomhappening
Жыл бұрын
@@JokeswithMitochondria was curious about ur username so cIicked on ur profiIe. Wasn't disappointed haha
@lyleclarke619
5 ай бұрын
Glad you mentioned the indicator issues at the beginning, I've noticed recently that die to daylight running lights, indicator lights are much harder to see as the white light overpowers the amber, at night it's not so much of an issue but it's so unnecessary.
@Brooks__EU
3 ай бұрын
Can't be. At least in Europe. DRLs dimm substantialy or turn off when using indicator. At least thats what I see in traffic
@TechnologyConnections
Жыл бұрын
It appears I should have had more faith in the land of amber turn signals! Apparently you've had a quite sensible regulation on the books since 2015. The thing that was just approved in March was a UN thing not adopted by the EU - oops! Apologies from this American, I shouldn't have doubted you. Here's the current in-force regulation: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A42015X1222%2801%29
@typerightseesight
Жыл бұрын
I still want a 4 wheel steering electric clutch for my cybertruck. warthog.
@mrquackers8986
Жыл бұрын
I h@t3 that they made my cars turn signal in the rear red so much that i replaced the clear bulb with a green led behind the red lens that equals something close to amber. But you know whats worse than combining the brake signal with the turn signal, those new cars that have it when the front turn signal is on, the headlight turns off, like who thought that was a good idea
@steveman1982
Жыл бұрын
Three consecutive utterances of "aluminium" and "autumn", and you are duly forgiven.
@MikeHarris1984
Жыл бұрын
This is the same issue that Manual transmissions have. With my '05 GTO with a 6 speed manual... I do 90% of my driving with NO brakes... even in rush hour traffic... I can drive with "1 foot" as well, well, 2 because - clutch. But yes, manual transmissions have had this issue since the beginning of time.... so this is not new...
@uzimmermann
Жыл бұрын
@@mrquackers8986 Or the front turn signals all clear with a tiny amber light, which is not visible in sun light.
@justinpaes6064
Жыл бұрын
"Because General Motors suffers from this chronic condition called being GM"
@SupremeRuleroftheWorld
Жыл бұрын
and thousands of its customers as well.... litteraly....
@Gay-is-_-trash
Жыл бұрын
Biden removed regulations on EV ... So they could be pushed out the door . That's why this problem is happening, yet he didn't address it ...
@dfsdh432v9
Жыл бұрын
HYUNDAI has also suffer being HYUNDAI😂
@ryanb9749
Жыл бұрын
Lol 🤣 I've been driving a lot of rental cars recently due to travel. The 3 companies the cars were from were Chevrolet, Hyundai, and Nissan. The Chevrolet had the least miles, worst interior and an obvious developing reliability issue. I think the automatic clutch was failing, with 28k miles. Lmao. Way to go GM.
@xiphosura413
Жыл бұрын
I actually quite like accelerometer-based brake lights because they react even if you are slowing down for reasons outside of your control, which I reckon is a great safety feature. Unexpected slowdowns with no brake lights sound like a great recipe for disaster, and it's neat how it automatically takes that into account. Just don't make like GM and forget the mechanism to leave the light on when stopped :p
@Peter-jl4ki
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the value of brake lights isn't in letting the car behind you know that you're hitting the brakes, it's in letting it know that you're slowing down.
@CarkeekW
Жыл бұрын
It needs to know the cars angle too as going down or up a slope it would read incorrectly because gravity .
@ps.2
Жыл бұрын
@@CarkeekW Sensing the angle is simple enough, just use 3 accelerometers pointing orthogonal directions. Then you always know where gravity is pointing and you can just sort of subtract that 9.8 m/s² from your calculation of what the car is doing. (Gravity will read a bit high or low when passing the bottom or top of a hill, and will jitter wildly when you hit bumps or washboarding, but in general I expect that isn't so hard to compensate for. It _may_ read zero for brief moments, e.g., whilst filming _Dukes of Hazzard_ episodes.)
@CarkeekW
Жыл бұрын
@It’s Me yes it diminishes the significance of the light too if it comes on a lot , its why the solution is more complex and definately needs multiple sensors and software , hopefully Tesla who are good at making one item do 3 things can solve it pragmatically
@CarkeekW
Жыл бұрын
@@ps.2 hopefully the car already has one to tap into , bridge jumping an EV down the lanes hmm , that would leave a few sparks
@NathanielCoran
Ай бұрын
"The brake pedal was the only thing that can slow down the car enough to warrant turning on the brake light" brother don't underestimate me, I can do amazing things with a tree
@lancecustar
Жыл бұрын
Honestly the accelerometer is a good idea that covers a bunch of weird scenarios that even normal vehicles and brakes don't cover.
@mattbots1
Жыл бұрын
Agreed and uses existing hardware because thanks to stability control newer cars already have accelerometers in them.
@MadMadCommando
Жыл бұрын
I bet there’s already accelerometers in the car for crash detection
@MadMadCommando
Жыл бұрын
Like engine breaking!
@WyvernYT
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I'm not particularly concerned about the exact threshold; 0.7ms^2 might be low, the European 1.3ms^2 sounds fine, and 2.4ms^2 should definitely trigger brake light activation. Modern cars have accelerometers anyway so it should be trivial to add deceleration warnings.
@Peter-jl4ki
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, and it's not at all overengineered, since the implementation covers the entire problem with a trivial solution that requires extremely reliable hardware that's already built in.
@insu_na
Жыл бұрын
"in 13 seconds, or 13 seconds" I love you dude, never stop
@davidcassidy602
Жыл бұрын
Would have liked it as “0.0036-1-repeating hours”, since the speed was given in miles and kilometers per hour. But yes
@EpicManaphyDude
Жыл бұрын
hyundai employee here, thanks for making this video, i’ve been noticed this issue, maybe with your video I can bring it to the attention of corporate! thanks!
@DonnieX6
Жыл бұрын
Spread the word, godspeed to you! ;)
@lompatin
5 ай бұрын
How did it go?
@failurehaus5979
4 ай бұрын
@@lompatinhe’s a janitor
@smf2072
4 ай бұрын
Get your poop box disposable vehicles of our roads ! Absolute junk !
@Blorb137
3 ай бұрын
Also tell them to stop making the BCM casing impossible to open
@NikoTsakanikas
4 ай бұрын
I got a ad for the exact Hyundai that he talk’s about in the start of the video.
@guitarcrazy02
Жыл бұрын
This is something experienced motorcycle riders have been aware of for years. Many bikes have aggressive engine braking, so much so it could easily cause a collision. Wise riders will engage a touch of rear brake just enough to engage the switch, especially when someone is following closely behind.
@josephoberlander
Жыл бұрын
I do this when I downshift in my car as well, as I noticed that people tended to tailgate me a lot due to the engine braking actually being a thing. So you just get into the habit of tapping the brakes enough to activate the lights but not engage whenever you downshift. They see oh - muscle car - it behaves a little differently but still predictable - must be driving manual.
@slots1407
Жыл бұрын
Some clever bods have recognised this and one can now get inertia switches that tie into the brake light, so that when on trailing throttle, the sensor is activated by the g forces and lights up the brake light automatically,=. I'm thinking of getting one; sounds like a good idea. Not sure of where, just yet.
@josephoberlander
Жыл бұрын
@@slots1407 I could see this being quite helpful on smaller bikes as they tend to suffer from this more due to lower weight and more gears ( as a rule ).
@markrossow6303
Жыл бұрын
our last MC was a 1973 Suzuki GT380 -- not a lot of engine braking with a 2-stroke ;-)
@gustavusadolphus4344
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing watching this.
@kaboomer13
Жыл бұрын
The unit conversion on 13 seconds was very helpful. I don' t know how many times I have to convert from Imperial to Metric seconds in most videos. Thank you.
@TimKoski
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! I'm glad I wasn't the only one that appreciated the conversion. We need more creators giving us these types of conversions.
@conwaytwt
Жыл бұрын
I still get confused about how many pints and quarts in an imperial second
@FamilyHomeTheater
Жыл бұрын
They actually did try to do metric time, but since everybody used hours, minutes, seconds, it never caught on. There's a video about that on KZitem also because, of course there is.
Every time you post a video, I'm like "wow that is a super niche topic, I'm not sure I would find this interesting" and then EVERY SINGLE TIME I am 100 percent enthralled from beginning to end.
@artstsym
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, problem is this isn't a niche topic, this is a class action in the works.
@Ddeletham
Жыл бұрын
He has a way of communicating his own interest in the topic so well that it makes yourself invested. I follow this channel since a while and learned about a lot of interesting topics that I wouldn't have looked up otherwise.
@jimmym3352
Жыл бұрын
I don't even own an EV or plan to any time soon, but still watched the whole thing. Good info in case I happen to be behind one.
@avigalesworkshop
Күн бұрын
Great video! My 24 Impreza shows a display, like your Nissan example, when in adaptive cruise and it is nice being able to see when the lights are being applied. It adds a peace of mind for sure. We have instrument indicators for our turn signals but, for most, not our brakes. Maybe not before but now we may need brake light indicators in our instrument cluster.
@Jack_Stafford
10 ай бұрын
At one point about 20 years ago, there were talks of regs that would have had at least two stages of lights, one for braking, and another brighter light for HEAVY BRAKING, or lights that progressively got brighter the heavier they were used, so drivers would know if someone was merely slowing down or slamming on the brakes to avoid an obstacle. It didn't go anywhere in the government, but something that definitely should be revisited.
@Beany87
8 ай бұрын
I NEED this! So much congestion on motorways (at least in the UK) is caused by ''they braked so I'll brake''. If someones brake lights are out is the cause of you crashing into them, frankly, you should not be driving!
@oscarhernandez9328
7 ай бұрын
Some newer cars have this, where they have normal lights but also flashing lights for heavy braking. However, I haven't seen them much since they are usually on newer, more expensive cars.
@timlong1462
7 ай бұрын
I've always wanted an "accelerator off" pedal, and progressing lights. There was actually a question on the license test I took 18 years ago. The question was "what is the purpose of the 3rd upper light on the rear of a car?" One of the incorrect multiple choices was "accelerator off light". That stuck with me and I've always thought it's a great idea to add. Combine that with the new style fancy multi bar brake lights like in the thumbnail, you could make them ramp in how many bars are lit, then rose in intensity if it's slamming on the brakes.
@Hafiz_G_Lumber_1
7 ай бұрын
MY 1960 SUZUKI JIMNY HAD 4 BRAKE LIGHTS, ONE FOR NORMAL BRAKING, SECOND FOR HARD BRAKING, THIRD FOR NOT BRAKING AT ALL, FOURTH WAS FOR FALSE BRAKING TO DECEIVE A TAILGATER
@king_james_official
6 ай бұрын
@@Hafiz_G_Lumber_1based fourth brake light
@WafflesInTheRain
Жыл бұрын
You consistently produce some of the most informative and digestible content available on KZitem. Thank you.
@MarquisDeSang
Жыл бұрын
He forgot about gas engine compression with manual transmission.
@dylaanowen
Жыл бұрын
This issue reminds me of what you are taught when riding a motorcycle. Since you can lose alot of speed from just wind and engine braking on a bike you are taught that you should always tap the rear brake just so the brake light comes on even if the brakes themsleves barely engage. It's especially important when drivers tend to find it more difficult to notice changes in speed of motorcyclists generally even when brake lights are being used.
@jebeda
Жыл бұрын
This is a good idea for every vehicle. Tapping the brake when slowing down to make the brake lights flash on and off can wake up the people behind you. That flashing can help get them to pay more attention to things and has probably saved me from being rear-ended a half dozen times. Going from highway-speeds to traffic-slowdown speeds is easily unnoticed by dozing commuters.
@sam2920
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was thinking of this the whole time. It's important to be taught that, you can slow down very quickly on some bikes without touching the brakes.
@jercki72
Жыл бұрын
yeah and also i feel like cars tailgate bikes a lot more than other cars since bikes barely obstruct the view
@LimabeanStudios
Жыл бұрын
I always do this when traffic is slowing down and I wanna leave a safe gap between me and the car in front of me, just do some light taps the person behind is prepared for me to start coasting more
@bordershader
Жыл бұрын
@@jebedain the UK, people doing rapid slow-downs in situations such as you describe put on their hazards. Me, I pulse the brake (I think it's called cadence braking?) to alert following traffic, because I want to keep all my attention on the road ahead (and mirrors, in case the dopy driver behind me isn't awake and I need to switch lanes to save myself) and both hands on the wheel for max control.
@camo.lux81
5 ай бұрын
Towards the end of the video you mentioned another video about separating turn signals from brake lights, I actually can connect with a real life situation involved with this, I got in an accident last summer because the vehicle in front of me was tapping on and off of his brakes slowing down much below the speed limit. I decided to pass him in the lane to my left but as I did so he turned in front of me and I made contact with the rear of his Silverado with the front of my truck. This Silverado has the exact thing you mentioned where the brake light was implemented with the turn signals, and because he was tapping his brakes while simultaneously using his turn signal I got confused and ended up getting in an accident over it. I highly agree with making it a law that turn signals are to to be amber and separate from the brake lights.
@smf2072
4 ай бұрын
Really ? Someone just so happened to be pumping the break in the exact same rhythm as the turn signal ?? uh huh....I'm guessing the judge didn't buy that excuse either.....as a matter of fact I bet he chuckled.
@benknoodling3683
5 күн бұрын
@@smf2072 No, if they were doing it with the same timing, camo would have thought they were merging left. Pressing the brakes erratically or faster than the turn signal would mean the turn signal has no chance to distinguish itself from the braking signal.
@halloweentimemachine
Жыл бұрын
I was just in the middle of a pileup on the freeway as traffic went from 60 to 0 due to congestion and a driver didn't notice things slowing down. The idea that there are cars out there functioning "as intended" that wouldn't signal this kind of congestion is terrifying.
@corex6109
Жыл бұрын
Tbh when there's a congestion on the highway in my country, then people at the back of the traffic jam, but especially truck drivers, will use their hazard lights to indicate the traffic jam ahead. Not to mention that if you don't notice the entire traffic slowing down, or you're following too close to be able to appropriately react, then you shouldn't be driving a vehicle in the first place.
@CarlosFreitas99
Жыл бұрын
Whenever things slow down more than expected on a highway you should use your hazard lights
@utofbu
Жыл бұрын
absolutely, its almost a case of intentionally designing potential harm into a system.
@Nicholas_Steel
Жыл бұрын
@@corex6109 The purpose of the break lights is to maximize your response time to the car in front slowing down. Without them you can be adding multiple seconds to the tailing driver's response time as it is now no longer immediately obvious if the vehicle is breaking.
@corex6109
Жыл бұрын
@@Nicholas_Steel A) I never said anything about brake lights, I was talking about hazard lights and how they're used to indicate traffic jams. B) Generally when you see the vehicle up in front coming closer, that's a pretty good indicator they're getting slower. Also there shouldn't be any risk, even without brake lights, as long as you just keep the safety distance you're legally required to hold.
@MrMoustaffa
Жыл бұрын
This man has more passion for car signals than most people have for their marriages. Truly the hero we needed but dont deserve
@xl000
Жыл бұрын
Marriage is overrated anyway
@alexanderrobins7497
Жыл бұрын
And heat pumps.
@himanshusingh5214
Жыл бұрын
@@alexanderrobins7497 Well heatpump is everywhere, it is foundational. That's how the universe works otherwise everything just stops.
@ericmckinley7985
Жыл бұрын
I don't see a ring on his finger, so I don't think he has enough brainspace or passion left over for much else.
@Mygg_Jeager
Жыл бұрын
@@alexanderrobins7497 And lanterns.
@wesd3370
9 ай бұрын
Now I want to see a video about why new car headlights are absolutely decimating my retinas.
@user-vi5el5hg7c
8 ай бұрын
Because they're extremely efficient bright LEDs vs inefficient Halogen. LEDs are 80% more efficient than Halogen lights so they can be magnitudes brighter while keeping the same energy requirements. Don't need a video anymore!
@wesd3370
8 ай бұрын
The requirements (at least in the USA) are not based on energy use, they are based on Lumen output. Lumens are an antiquated measurement based on the light output of candles, which have a lot of red light. LED's on the other hand typically have very little red light. So what was originally a law to limit the light output of vehicles to avoid them blinding other drivers, ended up being skirted by using light that doesn't read anywhere near as high in lumens while being far brighter. There have been a lot of things coming out lately about the dangers of new vehicle headlights for other drivers.@@user-vi5el5hg7c
@sanest_emu_fan
6 ай бұрын
@@user-vi5el5hg7cwell then why don’t car manufacturers decrease the brightness of the lights?
@user-vi5el5hg7c
6 ай бұрын
@@sanest_emu_fan Why would a car manufacturer intentionally reduce the safety of their vehicle? I've driven many cars and cars with LED headlights have far better clarity at night, the better you can see the safer you drive.
@Kerem-wr5vp
5 ай бұрын
@@user-vi5el5hg7c If you put the sun on the front of your car, on coming traffic will not be able to see At some point having bright lights is impairing the visibility of on coming traffic Don't you put your full beams off when you see another car at night?
@paks.
6 ай бұрын
yes bro i hate this, this is why i always try to avoid following teslas and their auto braking with no brake lights
@navid617
Жыл бұрын
This is a common issue with motorcycles. Because engine braking is so strong, you use your engine for 90% of braking. You learn a habit of tapping the brakes if there is someone behind you just so they are aware.
@Benzinilinguine
Жыл бұрын
Motorcyclists usually know this (or they aren't motorcyclists for long) but your average Midwest housewife with the Ioniq or whatever this car is, isn't going to know that.
@navid617
Жыл бұрын
@@Benzinilinguine I have to admit that I do not practice this as frequently as I should. Tapping the brakes messes with my ability to downshift quickly, but staying alive is more important.
@4rumani
Жыл бұрын
sounds like they need an accelerometer brakelight
@Ender06
Жыл бұрын
Or even manual cars.
@tiberiu_nicolae
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I used to do that when downshifting aggressively with my civic
@AmarothEng
Жыл бұрын
I was a witness to the other extreme. There was an electric car in front of me on the highway and its brake lights were continuously going on and off like a Christmas tree. It was incredibly confusing and annoying, especially give the fact that the car was going at more or less a constant speed. I was very happy to take the opportunity of passing it asap.
@KMBence
Жыл бұрын
This is hilarious 😂
@PunnamarajVinayakTejas
Жыл бұрын
Like at 21:30?
@trevorjex3146
Жыл бұрын
yes, especially with super bright instant LED lights
@Ryzza5
Жыл бұрын
Yeah might as well not have any brake lights if they're going to be on all the time.
@JeffMC1020
Жыл бұрын
And I wouldn't be surprised if the driver had no idea
@aidandruck2423
Жыл бұрын
This actually explains a few close calls I've had on the highway recently, where cars in front of me that I was keeping pace with massively slowed down by 30+ mph in a short distance without warning. This, coupled with a construction zone with signs forewarning of a speed enforcement camera has created an extremely hazardous condition of traffic suddenly decelerating from 75+mph to 50mph (the whole highway is a 55) and often without warning due to the traffic backing up out of sight of the signs.
@freedustin
Жыл бұрын
just slam into them, they aren't using their brake lights so they are at fault. free body work!
@commissarthorne3894
Жыл бұрын
@@freedustin you can't just rear end someone and expect not to pay, you bozo
@myuzu_
Жыл бұрын
@@freedustin Check your jurisdiction, this typically would be equal fault at best and solely your fault at worst. Also have some dash cam footage ready to show there was no brake light.
@myuzu_
Жыл бұрын
Explains why I got honked at the other day... might have to install an accelerometer inline to the brakes my damn self, I dont see this regulation being fixed (let alone going into effect) until at least 2035
@esoteridactyl
Жыл бұрын
Fuck speed cameras
@branscombeR
4 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis. Forty years back, I used to drive an 80 ton dump truck with an extra transmission lever which brought the truck progressively to a complete stop using engine resistance without touching the brakes, even fully loaded. The rear lights were so coated with road dust and mud, even after a five minute drive that I learned to start reducing speed way before I needed to stop in order to warn any following traffic. Road ragers were not a problem as to cuss me out, they would have to climb a ladder and navigate a steel walkway to get to the cab! R (Australia)
@newq
Жыл бұрын
That old brake light/turn signal video was what got me into your channel in the first place so many years ago. Good to see a follow-up on it, Alec.
@Evirthewarrior
Жыл бұрын
I am glad he added the metric seconds, I hate when the US content creators only use imperial seconds.
@ashtonhoward5582
Жыл бұрын
We don't use imperial seconds, we use customary seconds.
@EvanG529
Жыл бұрын
metric users when there are 60 seconds in a minute instead of 100
@Shikujiru
Жыл бұрын
@@ashtonhoward5582 Sorry, come again? I only understand metric English.
@danharold3087
Жыл бұрын
Should we insist on non US creators using metric time as it was intended. With each hour consisting of 100 metric minutes, and each metric minute consisting of 100 metric seconds.
@imaginitivity7853
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure it's sloppy seconds
@Derpy1969
Жыл бұрын
The accelerometer was free. The airbag control module has one. It constantly streams the g-levels (10ms) onto its CAN bus.
@johnnyvvlog
Жыл бұрын
As does the ESP system. It's not like modern cars do not contain the hardware to make this work. Just some software is all that you need to solve this.
@dafoex
Жыл бұрын
@johnnyvvlog And since its such a modern car, you could add that software with an OTA update, no need to recall the car at all
@thedude6712
Жыл бұрын
@@dafoex Actually, OTA updates for safety issues are still considered to be recalls. Recall doesn't mean that you have to take the car in for service. Tesla has had a number of recalls registered with NHTSA which were solved by OTA updates (such as an FSD mode which allowed you to tell the car it's allowed to roll through stop signs). "Recall" is merely a process for flagging and tracking fixes to vehicles by VIN, regardless of how that fix is accomplished.
@dadbain
Жыл бұрын
@@dafoex If it's a Tesla, not sure about the others.
@jarekb6524
Жыл бұрын
@@dadbain Of course cars other than Tesla get OTA updates. It's not 2010 anymore.
@jacobrothschild42936
Күн бұрын
A good youtube channel produces good content you want to watch. A great youtube channel however can produce content you don't really care about but still captivates your attention. You sir have a great youtube channel, and you are an excellent presenter!
@EitanTsur
Жыл бұрын
This comes back full circle to the behavior cars used to have when everyone had manual gearshifts; I've had people flag me down for having "blown brake lights" when I downshift to slow down.
@mrsnezbit2219
Жыл бұрын
Another thing is that with polarized sunglasses often I don't see led blinkers
@PJM257
Жыл бұрын
You can still engine brake in some automatic cars as well, and even some CVTs. I only engine brake to prevent the car from speeding up when going downhill, so I don't think brake lights are necessary for that, but if you actually use it to slow down then it could be a problem.
@seth094978
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I've practiced coming to a full stop in my Miata without using the normal brakes in case I ever have brake failure, and I definitely check behind me before doing it because shifting into 2nd at 65mph slows you down really quickly.
@AcmeNewsLLC
Жыл бұрын
I have a manual transmission on a Mazda MX5. I try to stay away from everybody at all times because no-one sees me. I use a very long break so as to take off from 2cnd from a stop as there is still room to do so. If cars are around me I typically use my breaks...
@elizabethjohnson-kueny1655
Жыл бұрын
I knew I would find Miata owners in this comment and I was right
@RoboSkyrat
Жыл бұрын
The comedy writing while ranting is why i pay money for this content. "13 seconds (or 13 seconds)" really got me
@techgecko3372
Жыл бұрын
We europeans keep our standard second under glass in a vacuum. I´ts the best second.
@cridenh2owo257
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad somebody else noticed this 😂
@Grundoko
Жыл бұрын
I didn't even notice he did this. I think I'm too used to disregarding the imperial conversions.
@woldemunster9244
Жыл бұрын
@@Grundoko i recommend "chyrosran22", he does the best conversions.
@PouLS
Жыл бұрын
"I was able to stop my car from 60 [imperial unit] (that’s 96 and a half [metrtic unit]) in 13 [metric unit] (or 13 [metric unit])." I think he got the order wrong.
@acephantom903
Жыл бұрын
My stance has always been that if the car can automatically turn on its brake lights, it should have a dash light indicating when they are on or off. Like the Nissan example you provided. There are times when you need to turn on your brake lights while still coasting to let people behind you know that you will be slowing down. And on the flip side, if you are slowing down a little and the brake lights come on, you should know because it does affect how people behind you drive when your lights come on.
@mglenadel
Жыл бұрын
Cars should have brake light repeaters on the dashboard anyway, even if they don't have automated systems to activate the brakes.
@Leblribrbrrq
Жыл бұрын
@@mglenadel And then you can find out if your brake likgt doesn't work in the first place.
@niuhuskieguy
Жыл бұрын
My Subaru with adaptive cruise had a vehicle icon that would indicate when the brakes were being applied by the system (also if you manually appled them too). My current car doesn't have that, but it does physically move the brake pedal when its braking.
@Lizlodude
Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking about adding that functionality to my bike while I'm adding a flasher. For me it's more an issue of realizing I've been barely riding the rear brake for the last 5 minutes 😅
@vitordelima
Жыл бұрын
Or the brake light should have multiple states (turned off, pulsing or always on, maybe some sort of progress bar instead) to indicate what is going on. Many other important clues are hard to signal to other drivers, such as when you give passage to someone or won't give passage. Also turn signals should be way more visible than nowadays, including big side LEDs over the car's doors.
@amandagunter618
Ай бұрын
Combined brake lights/turn signals have been my biggest pet peeve for ages! Thank you for bringing this up and the validation that I'm not alone. Lol
@bikerboy3k
Жыл бұрын
I almost ran into an Ionic on the motorway last week because it started slowing down but I didn't see any brake light come on only that the cars in front were coming closer and realized he was slowing down. Now I realize what happened. I also hate the animations they have on the lights and the fact the signals are now apparently all the colors under the sun except yellow.
@cxl3
Жыл бұрын
I just gave this a test on my US model Kia EV6 using an OBD dongle to measure the brake light value and sure enough, it behaves exactly as you described. This is even after the ELE292/SA533 software update for i-Pedal. Hyundai really needs to get this fixed for all their eGMP vehicles!
@TechnologyConnections
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Good to have confirmation it's also happening on the EV6
@billpizzaman4700
Жыл бұрын
My Nissan Leaf brake lights function with the E peddle
@RedPorch
Жыл бұрын
I have a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid from 2020 and I'm planning on testing this with the level 3 regen braking with a friend soon. I will post the results when I do. I bet its exactly as described in the video. This car slows down quite rapidly with the level 3 regen on without you ever pressing the brakes. It isn't one peddle driving, but it is pretty close exactly as described in the video. I'd be shocked if the behavior was any different. This basically makes level 2 and level 3 regenerative braking unusable in my car. I will be complaining at the hyundai dealership next time I go for service, just to make them aware of it more than anything. Definitely going to actually check the behavior first though.
@cxl3
Жыл бұрын
I just got the SC273 software update installed (from the "voluntary recall") and can confirm that it fixes the problem on the EV6!
@rebel6301
11 ай бұрын
I'm barely even remotely interested in cars, let alone brake lights. But you've somehow managed to keep it entertaining enough for me to watch all the way through.
@H0n3yMonstah
11 ай бұрын
It's a general topic of interest though, because most people drive and might be affected by this. So probably helps it be engaging, even if you're not a brake light nerd.
@imnugget8085
10 ай бұрын
Oh I saw u sing with ghost in the car NOICE WORK MY GUY 👦
@MrWhaatay
8 ай бұрын
I rarely subscribe and always I thumb down any videos asking viewers to thumb up and subscribe. The content of the video should determine whether I do those and not shameful begging because the videos aren't good. I lost touch with this poster and stumbled back across him today and after watching two of his video subscribed so I don't lose touch again. I rarely have the patience for videos more than 5 minutes long but like you enjoyed this one and watched all the way through.
@user-jl2wd1it8h
8 ай бұрын
I'm am engineer at Hyundai and spoke out against these issues. One day a gang attacked me and launched rapid repeated kicks set 3
@makarambles
Жыл бұрын
As a software engineer, I have so little trust for software based ANYTHING when it comes to operating a car. I am perfectly happy in my car that's almost 20 years old, thank you. ❤
@marcelosanches3397
10 ай бұрын
Yeah. Same occupation, think alike
@muhilan8540
10 ай бұрын
So how exactly were cars controlled back then? Surely it wasn’t all mechanical in 2003. So cars didn’t have embedded systems in them back then?
@SergeantExtreme
10 ай бұрын
@@muhilan8540 No, it was entirely mechanical back then. Heck, my 2006 still has a physical throttle linkage. Drive by wire didn't start to become commonplace until the early 2010s.
@makarambles
10 ай бұрын
@@muhilan8540 I'm not much of a car gal so I only know the basics, but I can't think of anything that is completely software-based in my car. Doesn't mean that there isn't things that are electric, such as radio/AC.
@muhilan8540
10 ай бұрын
@@makarambles after doing some research, the fuel injection system is most likely an EFI controlled by a computer as that was the first part to be computerized in almost all cars
@rankenfile
Жыл бұрын
I was following an Ioniq 5 last evening and experienced the lack of brake lights while it decelerated at a significant rate. Hope this gets addressed.
@the_kombinator
Жыл бұрын
I was following a 1994 Lumina with 14 brake lights. You know how many worked when the brakes were pressed? ONE.
@Official_MikeyT
Жыл бұрын
Don't tailgate and that wouldn't matter. 🤷♂️
@thebuckster101
Жыл бұрын
@Mikey T if someone rear ends you and says its because they couldn't see tail lights (either because you purposefully blacked them out or the lightbulbs burnt out) you will be found at fault for the accident
@venosaur121212
Жыл бұрын
@@Official_MikeyT Of course it would matter. Brake lights are there so you can keep your distance. You see a break light so you break too, keeping your distance. If there is no taillight, then you have to judge from the environment about the car speed, which takes more time, therefore you need to brake harder because you just slipped in too close probably.
@JaniceHarrell
Жыл бұрын
@@venosaur121212 And if you brake harder than the person behind you expected (because you were trying to not rear-end the person in front of you with essentially non-functioning brake lights), you are also now at risk of being rear-ended yourself, especially in this day with so many people driving impaired/distracted
@weedlechu
Жыл бұрын
I wasn’t in the mood for a discussion about death today so Hank Green led me here. Really informative video!! I can now say I know a ton more about car lights than I ever thought I would.
@avarosen
Жыл бұрын
I was so excited to see Hank link to this video! I have a hybrid and I never even thought to check what the brake lights were doing, hope some US regulation comes soon!
@kolt9051
Жыл бұрын
Thats awesome, i was happy to see him give the shoutout. They both have shouted out each other in the past, so cool to see. Both channels have been a blessing over the past few years
@crisis3240
Жыл бұрын
Same here
@DungeonMetal
Жыл бұрын
Did he tweet about it or something? I ended up here out of interest but kind of wished I caught it with the rest of the club lol
@weedlechu
Жыл бұрын
@@DungeonMetal It was in a vlog around a week and a half ago! He put it in the description
@z9brigade
5 ай бұрын
In my opinion, the solution is the operator not being an idiot. Hitting the brake pedal if you're slowing down to let people know it, even if youre not on the brakes, is an easy solution.
@Daniel-it1dp
10 ай бұрын
“13 seconds or 13 seconds” conversion joke got me 😂
@lakespradling
8 ай бұрын
Came to say this hahaha
@MrWhaatay
8 ай бұрын
I caught that too and was going to post the same thing. Cracked me up.
@Scoupe400
8 ай бұрын
Took me a second to wonder what happened and then twigged and had a wry smile. Subtle!
@deleted-something
6 ай бұрын
Same
@Notfiveo0
6 ай бұрын
This is interesting, I thought I was the only one fascinated by car lights to this degree.
@xiconfjs
Жыл бұрын
"we have no choice but to control the brake lights with ... software" 😳
@JoeTaber
Жыл бұрын
I'm a software developer and this was perfect.
@unvergebeneid
Жыл бұрын
*choice
@dapete42
Жыл бұрын
@@JoeTaber Another software developer here, I agree 100%.
@xiconfjs
Жыл бұрын
@@unvergebeneid thanks. Corrected 👍
@LividImp
Жыл бұрын
The most shocking thing in this whole video is the fact that GM made some good decisions.
@Harey0407
Жыл бұрын
I mean, every so often they do. Though they usually seem to screw it up anyway.
@KesSharann
Жыл бұрын
Whichever engineer did it was probably canned that year or the next.
@WowCreativeUsername
Жыл бұрын
A broken clock is right twice a day.
@madchoochoo1501
Жыл бұрын
GM has a pretty damn good engineering team, it’s the rest of the management that makes them unreliable
@brsl1011
Жыл бұрын
And they solved the PRNDL/brake light problems too!
@hogsrmylifetbj
Ай бұрын
This actually no different from using engine braking in a manual transmission car. The brake lights won’t come on unless you press the brake pedal.
@Dkgow
Жыл бұрын
Your videos are so informative, and I love the little jabs you put in like the "60mph or 96kmph in 13seconds (freedom units) or 13seconds (everyone else)"
@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming
Жыл бұрын
It's Kph. The metric system doesn't use the ‘m’ when associated with speed.
@monsterousreal
Жыл бұрын
@@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming you are so confidently incorrect, here in Canada (a metric system using country) its km/h
@trueilarim
Жыл бұрын
@@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming I have never used kph in my life living here in Europe. It has always been km/h for me
@KristopherNoronha
Жыл бұрын
@@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming k = kilo. m = metres. without the m, it could be kilo anything!
@gabor6259
Жыл бұрын
I only use km/h but kph is used in Formula-1.
@O11O1channel
Жыл бұрын
As much as you give GM flak for "overcomplicating" it with the accelerometer that checks the vehicles actual motion, that solution is fairly resistant to future technology changes down the line we haven't thought of. It gets to act as a catchall for anything weird happening that might be making the car slow down, including mechanical malfunctions in other systems.
@1dgram
Жыл бұрын
And these days, accelerometers are really cheap.
@Johny40Se7en
3 күн бұрын
It can be done using a simple relay, similar to what the brake pedal uses in a conventional car. Press the brake pedal, it sends a signal to light up the brake lights. Electric cars with regen could use a similar thing, only when you let off the accelerator. It's really not difficult. Just shows a serious lack of thought. The car shown in the video is as ridiculous as it is dangerous.
@davinator1212
Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of "the driver doesn't care about whatever acronym you have or what is or is not a service brake, they care that it is simply slowing down."
@aaronmeche8837
6 ай бұрын
That ABSOLUTELY deserves a recall. I love studying headlights and taillight design, subscribed
@reesewilson
11 ай бұрын
23:22 Thank you for the conversion of imperial seconds to metric seconds, it's little details like these that make your videos worth watching
@sowianskizonierz2693
8 ай бұрын
a little fun fact: after the French revolution of 1789, France converted everything into the metric system. Including time (now called Decimal Time). Each day was 10 hours, each hour was 100 minutes, and each minute was 100 seconds.
@LitoMike
7 ай бұрын
what
@jakebarnes3054
6 ай бұрын
@@sowianskizonierz2693 that dreaded demonic revolution
@Alliendo
6 ай бұрын
@@sowianskizonierz2693I would've love that. Current system has 86,400 unit seconds, but this way you get 100,000 unit seconds. It's 16% difference. Not so much different I guess. Also months sould be decimal, I hate when it's change between 30 and 31. Yeah 12 was round number back in days and also has many dividers to work with it but do we need anymore!?. We should've change that when year was 2000.
@sowianskizonierz2693
6 ай бұрын
@@Alliendo I agree. The metric time system would have been a huge improvement. But I understand why it was so difficult to change systems in the 1700s. Although we have no excuse in the age of computers
@BirthquakeRecords
Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I found a youtuber who recognizes these sorts of flaws in consumer products, details exactly how these faults can be improved, and reacts proportionately with visceral disdain that the people in charge have left the flaws intact (or even let them through to begin with). I swear this is my default mode for experiencing the world, and whenever I try to explain my reasoning behind why I’m _“sO oPiNiOnAtEd”_ about these things, I’m usually dismissed as an over-dramatic over-thinker. Your videos like this are SO VALIDATING for me (even though you’re usually talking about stuff I don’t have much previous knowledge about). Just knowing someone else is out there thinking about stuff from a pro-consumer outlook like this makes me feel a lot less crazy.
@I.____.....__...__
Жыл бұрын
Sadly, pointing them out won't fix them. Companies (all companies, whether of physical products or service or digital/web stuff) generally tend to ignore user feedback and just do wtf they want these days. 😒
@ryanpugh
Жыл бұрын
@@I.____.....__...__ It always has and always will be true that companies cannot be allowed to self-regulate. This is especially true where standardization is needed for public safety. People want brakelights on their cars to function as expected. Don't even get us all started on headlights 😤
@obeseperson
Жыл бұрын
REAL SHIT 💯💯💯
@MatildaHinanawi
Жыл бұрын
I can assure you, you're not alone. Sometimes time and place really matters, but caring about these small things is important.
@tanya5322
Жыл бұрын
@@ryanpugh oh man…. Headlights! 😖 The automatic daytime headlights was a nice start… Making oncoming traffic easier to see. Automatic headlights that come on fullpower AND with taillights once it gets dark has generally been good Unfortunately, these two together have combined to create lazy drivers who just assume their lights are on when needed. Except oftentimes, they are not. Such as during rain, or snow, or foggy weather. Sure, the daytime headlights make it easy to see you coming, but do nothing to make you more visible from the rear, because automatic daytime headlights do not turn on the taillights. Good to know I’m not alone !
@Vaeloron
Жыл бұрын
This is also an issue for internal combustion motorcycles. They have a lot of compression braking so letting off the throttle can actually cause them to slow very rapidly. A common mod that many people add to their motorcycles causes the brake light to flash under compression braking.
@SALeydolt
Жыл бұрын
Ya I often just tap my front break slightly just to light up my brake light when I'm decelerating by gearing down on my motorcycle. Just do this to make sure drivers know I'm slowing down
@davidmartensson273
Жыл бұрын
You can get the similar with a IC car if you happen to run on a lower gear and higher rpm.
@Okurka.
Жыл бұрын
Maybe use your mirrors before braking hard on the engine.
@gajomau
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmartensson273 even so not as much as a motorcycle.. Not even close..
@davidmartensson273
Жыл бұрын
@@Okurka. If you need to break you cannot just skip it so making sure the break light turns on is generally a good idea :)
@willurban837
3 ай бұрын
Hahahhah the dramatic pause at "Software" was great! (I am a software engineer, hits hard)
@JennaGetsCreative
Жыл бұрын
That rapid stop with no brake light demonstration is terrifying! I'm very glad you had the forethought to do it on a quiet road. In my area I've notice both drivers who seem to be feathering the brakes all the time for no reason, and drivers who somehow aren't using the brakes at all (no indication) yet are rapidly slowing. Now I know why, for both cases! Software controlled brake lights, yikes...
@Daniel-yy3ty
Жыл бұрын
It's not necessarily that they are software controlled It's that the software can do whatever and still be legal, like turn on with a deceleration of 1 cat/dog's year^2 or stay off even if you pull 10g as long as you do it in a certain way
@eliontheinternet3298
Жыл бұрын
Feathering the brakes can also be a sign of someone driving (poorly) with both feet on the pedals at all times. But at least that issue is visible immediately so you can drive cautiously around them!
@Ice_Karma
Жыл бұрын
Cars with manual transmissions may not activate the brake lights if the driver only uses engine braking.
@MrSheckstr
Жыл бұрын
@@Ice_Karma engine braking, or downshifting without braking
@SupaKoopaTroopa64
Жыл бұрын
@@Ice_Karma I've got an older automatic with drum brakes, so I often disable overdrive (4th gear) or shift into 2nd to avoid stressing the brakes.
@kb1kos
Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of accelerometer activated brake lights, in addition to the pedal operated switch.
@AfonsoBucco
Жыл бұрын
and they could work in parallel. So pedal activated system will turn the lights on even in case of electronic fail. Of course there is a chance of electronic fail turned on, but it will be easier to be noticed by the driver than opposite. Is not the worst Boy-Cry-Wolf situation. Talking Boy-Cry-Wolf problem I agree that should exist regulation about how much acceleration it have to flash on. But ANOTHER Boy-Cry-Wolf problem will still remain: even under regulated G there are still situation where car naturally slow down and you DON'T want to say "I am breaking": For example: climbing a hill. If the lights turn on the car behind with already also naturally fell the deceleration will think you are stopping, so they will also break unnecessarily. The traffic will be worse in some places, it will be annoying, and when you are really stopping the guy will not really know (the Boy-Cry-Wolf problem). BUT IT ALSO CAN BE SOLVED: just putting exception on accelerometer action based on level, it would be also cheap, once normal smartphone accelerometer also can measure the level. Everything I said is extremely cheap to mass product, maybe not very very cheap to develop properly.
@JoelFeila
Жыл бұрын
yeah really those are pretty reliable.
@WayneKitching
Жыл бұрын
Using an accelerometer would also help when the car slows down suddenly for "unintended" reasons, like when hitting deepish water, a pothole, or another vehicle. In all those cases, it would help other drivers to have the brake lights come on.
@Schmuly
Жыл бұрын
@Eugene you mean redundant. Brakes need redundancy it's very much not superfluous at all
@michaelwarren2391
Жыл бұрын
If my memory serves me correctly, there were NYC taxis that had a yellow (amber) light that came on when decelerating. It may have flashed, and I don't know if it went off if the brake pedal was depressed.
@NeverJhonsen
Жыл бұрын
This explains a lot! I drive for a living (My work truck has those same rear lights that you hold; ideal setup) and one part of my route has a spot that goes from 55mph to 30 mph. Many times I have watched people I was following drop all that speed with no lights; yet they worked just fine at the red light up ahead.
@richardchantlerrico
Жыл бұрын
The other option are people like myself that use gears and engine to slow down, since we don't touch the break peddle the same effect would occur.
@FirAnto
Жыл бұрын
@@richardchantlerrico Uhm... Is there any reason to use gears to decelerate?
@sjokomelk
Жыл бұрын
@@richardchantlerrico Why are you talking about your lunch? This is a video about slowing down cars using brakes and brake pedals.
@hunterbear2421
Жыл бұрын
@@FirAnto saves brakes pads i guess that what i have been getting taught in a manual instead of braking with the clutch i should downshift and use the engine
@lupe2947
Жыл бұрын
@@FirAnto using gears (engine braking) is useful especially when going downhill to assist to slowing the vehicle. Riding the brakes down a long and steep hill at highway speeds can overheat brakes and rotors making them not work (that’s why runaway trucks happen). You can do this in automatics as well if you have a manual mode which I believe all do to some degree
@vanessaxoax7646
4 ай бұрын
This issue also is important on motorcycles. They have low mass and the engine usually has quite a lot of friction for its size and the drag coefficient isnt great either. I trained myself to slightly touch the rear brake with my foot just enough to illumate the brake light whenever i use passive braking and there is cars behind me.
@angry12gauge
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making these videos. I repair cars for a living and have some very similar opinions about the systems manufacturers chose to use. It’s great to see someone else cares about these details!
Жыл бұрын
When Hank said "electric car brake lights", I thought to myself that I'd be sorely disappointed if it wasn't Alec's video. I am pleased to have the reminder to watch it again.
@ryokukagirinai
Жыл бұрын
I saw this video when it came out, but it made me really happy to see hank shout it out! This channel deserves some love
@MegaEmmanuel09
Жыл бұрын
I immediately thought of this video, and after clicking the link after watching his video, I realised I never finished this one, as it threw me right in the middle 😅
@HamRadio95
Жыл бұрын
I immediately thought of this video too, I'm glad Hank didn't disappoint us
@Heizenberg32
Жыл бұрын
Same!
@BrandEver117
Жыл бұрын
I think the brake light NEEDS to be accelerometer based, (or based on using the speedometer and calculating rate of declaration) because if you used the regen alone, it might turn your brake light on even when going a constant speed (down a hill, for example. you don't want your brake light coming on if you are maintaining the speed limit but still getting significant regen).
@TechnologyConnections
Жыл бұрын
This is a fair point! However, lots of people ride the brake to keep a constant speed going downhill so I'm not sure how different it would really be.
@didikohen455
Жыл бұрын
They shouldn't use the brakes for going downhill, that's what low gear engine assited breaking is for. For hybrids and EVs it may not matter in a practical sense, but expecting different driving behavior based on car type just open up things for more issues.
@TechnologyConnections
Жыл бұрын
@@didikohen455 Oh, they shouldn't, but they do.
@YorikSar
Жыл бұрын
I think it's quite the opposite. The brake light SHOULD NEVER turn on when vehicle decelerates without intent by human or computer. I.e. when it's hitting the wall, there should be no lights. When you go downhill on ICE car, you (or cruise control) apply brakes and they light up the brake signal. It means that you're (or computer is) fighting against gravity, and it's good to know to me who follows you and intuits that braking on this slope is a good idea, maybe we both should do that. If your light doesn't come on, I would think that you're probably ok with going faster, because if you don't brake down the slope, you go faster. Overall lights show intent, not the actual result. Turn signals turn on when you (or your computer, maybe) is about to turn, not when your car pans right when road turns; reverse signal turns on when your switch to reverse "gear", not when you forget to pull handbrake and stepped out of the car. Just like those, brake lights should not turn on when car goes uphill, hits rough patch or decelerates, only when someone (human or otherwise) intentionally slows it down (or tries at least).
@wittyman37
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree that brake lights should signal intent and not what is happening. With a manual transmission ICE car it has been possible to slow down very quickly by downshifting for decades (and probably since we started adding multiple gears to cars) but I don't think any manual car turns on the brake lights when the transmission is slowing the car down.
As a avid motorcyclist, I experience this issue regularly; engine breaking is very strong, especially in lower gears and I end of having to pulse the brakes just enough to get the taillight to come on. Creating a sort of red flash.
@SuperSpy00bob
Жыл бұрын
I was recently doing a trip through mountains on the highway and a similar thought occurred to me. I drive a pickup with a pretty strong engine/transmission combination, and when my cruise control was doing engine braking just by pulling the throttle all the way out I could decelerate (relative to the slope) just as strong as the other cars around me that were using their brakes. It made me think "Should my brakes be lighting up too?" I wasn't technically slowing down, but my vehicle definitely wasn't acting like you would expect from a strong (IIRC it was 8%) downhill grade.
@cougarhunter33
Жыл бұрын
Several years ago, I saw a device that was on kickstarter that would light up similar brake lights when a motorcycle decelerated at a certain rate. No idea if the concept ever went anywhere or not.
@RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperSpy00bob engine braking isn't necessarily an intent to slow down as much as it is deceleration as a side effect of the engine's condition. Jake brakes don't make tail lights come in iirc and that's intentional deceleration
@werdwerdus
Жыл бұрын
@@cougarhunter33 yep, i have one! it's called Brake Free
@VestedUTuber
Жыл бұрын
Same thing with manual cars.
@lionblaze30
Жыл бұрын
It's actually pretty interesting that as a motorcyclist one of the safety tips I was given was to use the brakes even just a little when using engine braking, since engine braking doesn't activate the break light
@throwback19841
Жыл бұрын
Yep same problem in manual cars when you brake with the engine's compression. My instructor taught me to lightly apply the brake too for the lights. And funnily enough... he used to be a biker.
@TimpBizkit
Жыл бұрын
I've found that if I want to turn off a road without slowing the flow of traffic behind me, then after I signal, lightly applying the brake gives the vehicle(s) behind a chance to back off whilst I get a lead. I can then brake quickly and pull into the junction without the other drivers slowing down much behind me.
@TheOneWhoMightBe
Жыл бұрын
Same in the truck I drive for work; no brake lights when using engine braking.
@petercrowder6867
Жыл бұрын
i think this issue with motorcycles is really an important point that gets missed when discussing this topic. Bikes can slow quite rapidly when simply letting off the throttle and things like the euro standard mentioned are great it brings up that all these bike basically would need to be retrofitted to comply. yes as a biker you should use your brake to communicate when slowing and honestly i think people over use engine braking but that is besides the regulatory point.
@ogonbio8145
Жыл бұрын
Yeah he definitely hasn't driven a manual or I don't think he would've thought to title th video this way. first time I drove a dirt bike I power shifted into 2nd and then completely let off the throttle because I thought I'd coast like an automatic. Almost flipped over the handle bars. Lol
@KurosakiYukigo
Жыл бұрын
Well that's concerning! Seriously, how do dozens if not hundreds of engineers forget about brake lights? Those are pretty important!
@Bearbytez
Жыл бұрын
I spend about 50 hours a week asking how engineers at my job don't consider things that should be very obvious.
@boots3372
Жыл бұрын
Never blame engineers, it's almost never... like nearly NEVER... their fault. They highly likely advised higher ups on this and they in turn told them to go F themselves (passive aggressively, of course).
@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365
Жыл бұрын
As an engineer, I can't begin to tell you how often marketing and management overrules our designs. Public safety should always take priority. We're appalled by this.
@deadmanswife3625
Жыл бұрын
@@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365 anyone who ever got a degree in Business Administration knows full well and good that all the Departments are pitted against one another for the bottom line. That's why if you get a business education use it to be a wise consumer don't use it to go and screw people.
@noneyabizz8337
Жыл бұрын
I use to think engineers and architects were smart people, until I got into construction and saw how false that was.
@My_Name_Here420
8 ай бұрын
easy fix to the hiundai (or however its spelled) thing (i think) would be to illuminate the stop lights instantly if auto breaking happens, and if its off just keep it connected to the pedal, so simple, yet avoided. :/
@BanjoNoob2
Жыл бұрын
As someone with an incredibly easily stolen car, I have a few other questions I'd like to ask Kia and Hyundei too.
@dashcamandy2242
Жыл бұрын
Where do you live? I have plenty of USB cables... I'm kidding, of course. Ridiculous oversight, and an unacceptable response from the manufacturers. A modern car should not be easier to steal than a 1980s car!
@pawpatrolnews
Жыл бұрын
Question like...?
@CptJistuce
Жыл бұрын
@@dashcamandy2242 The 80s car might be harder to steal, just because the thieves don't know how to drive stick.
@schoonerthedog
Жыл бұрын
Check to see if you got the recall, there’s a class action against them now making chipped keys free for owners with unchipped turnstile ignitions
@mandmwaddle
Жыл бұрын
What's crazy is those same cars in Canada have an immobilizer system. I'm pretty sure it is required by law. Hyundai/Kia was just really cheap. Immobilizer or not the lock cylinder should not be that easy to remove. My 30 year old Camry is harder to steal. Thats impressive considering I have three random Toyota keys from other cars that will start mine.
@TheREALJosephTurner
Жыл бұрын
Just this video and the one on amber turn signals makes this channel worth it's weight in gold. Every other video is just added bonuses. Keep preaching the sanity! You could make a trifecta if you did a video on GM making the reverse lamps double as perimeter lighting!
@mouldyboats
Жыл бұрын
G.M.'s reverse lights are annoying AF. Have waited countless minutes for those cars to back up when actually they are parked. I will take a hammer to them soon!
@sandraaiden8587
Жыл бұрын
How much does a youtube channel weigh?
@TheREALJosephTurner
Жыл бұрын
@@sandraaiden8587 Depends on how heavy the advertising is.
@vincev.mp4
Жыл бұрын
In Germany, lighting up the brake lights while braking via recuperation is mandatory by law from a deceleration of 1.3m/s² and are ought to stay on until the deceleration falls under 0.7m/s² as a threshold - regardless of the state of the pedal. Seems to be just a standardisation problem just like the turn signal thing. You guys really need to figure out some basic traffic safety laws. Greetings and thank you for the video :) Edit: As it seems, we’re doing it differently nationwide in comparison with EU law proposals.
@rogerwilco2
Жыл бұрын
The USA doesn't really seem to care about basic traffic safety laws, only about the profits of the car industry.
@roland791
Жыл бұрын
Its European law :)
@davidbutler99
Жыл бұрын
If the car is stopping it will drop below .7 m/s². But you are stopping. So you should just use pedal position or perhaps a pressure sensitive switch. If you aren't accelerating or coasting you are stopping, simple
@OlaMorsethNordbryhn
Жыл бұрын
What if deceleration is less than .7m/s^2, but your brake pedal is slammed to the floor? Like if you panic on a icy road? Guess that’s more of a Norway problem than a German one.
@Monkey.D.Pression
Жыл бұрын
@@OlaMorsethNordbryhn he goes off of deceleration by specs (e.g. if you press the brake x% down the brakes decelerate x amount) meanwhile your ACTUAL deceleration rate is dependend on road conditions
@romgl4513
Сағат бұрын
As a motorcycle rider, I can relate, this problem is older than the both of us, I ride a motorcycle made in the late 20th century and a motorcycle, not unlike your electric car, can slow down significantly by letting off the throttle, with no brake light coming on. So, in an attempt to save our life, we, the riders, tend to use the brake lever just enough to make the brake light go on, even if we do no real braking. It's a kind of software override, we use our brain to override the lack of software. So far, it works.
@Panocek
Жыл бұрын
This issue is known for motorbikes for decades, if not longer - some of them have strong engine braking, which I assume is comparable to more aggressive regenerative braking settings. And can result in equally funny situations, except without crumple zones.
@kwell222
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree 😂
@thorbear
Жыл бұрын
I remember even being taught this when learning to drive a motorbike, "pay attention to the car behind you when using the engine to brake, the car driver won't expect you to decelerate that fast".
@Psythik
Жыл бұрын
Not a motorcycle but my Ford C-Max Hybrid had this issue as well, except worse! In one pedal mode, the brake lights wouldn't come on at all! You had to hit the brake pedal, completely defeating the point of a one pedal mode.
@TheMcDeros
Жыл бұрын
The STS Smart Brake module solves this, it has an accelerometer that flashes the brake light when you're slowing down without using the brakes.
@Angry-Lynx
Жыл бұрын
Yes with autobox on my Africa.twin gear changes are at press of button so i often dont need to brake before traffic lights almost at all, just by downshifting. But i know it has significant slowdown this way so i usually try to remember to keep some light pressure on brakes just to activate rear light ;
@LazerLord10
Жыл бұрын
I think GM's approach with the accelerometer makes sense, tbh. Battery state and other variables may change how much your pedal release is linked to deceleration, and I think most vehicles have accelerometers already!
@leexgx
Жыл бұрын
it could just use the TC or Stability Control Program accelerometer witch is standard on cars after 2005 (or was is 2015 for SCP) but all EV/Hybrid cars have it (but it must have a buffer zone so it doesn't cause the light to flicker on and off as your regen braking force is higher and lower)
@djinn666
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think GM's solution is the best one. No matter why the car is slowing down, the lights illuminate. Maybe it gets a flat tire, maybe it hit something, maybe it tried to go up too steep of a hill. The accelerometer always knows if the vehicle is slowing down, and that's what the driver behind needs to know.
@Epilon
Жыл бұрын
Accelerometers are actually the simplest solution. Normally the software and control module that links the accelerator pedal to the propulsion system is different from that used by the brakes (they often are made by different people). One would have to coordinate alot to get it working compared to a simple lookup table that ties acceleration to brake light luminosity.
@andeu095
Жыл бұрын
All ne cars, that are also sold in UE have at least 2 accelerometers and maybe more. UE made mandatory emergency call system in the car that also sends telemetry to the emergency services. Part of that telemetry is the force of the impact taken from the accelerometer that is inside of the SOC of the telematic computer. Also the industry is moving to smartphone style computers. All of the cars in development write now have SOC like the ones in your phone with all the hardware available 3-4 years ago, to mobile phones.
@failsafe5000
Жыл бұрын
Should also be noted, that starting in the 2022 Bolts, GM fixed the brake lights turning off when fully stopped. Having a 2022 Bolt, when I come to a full stop in one pedal, the brake lights stay on until I use the accelerator to move forward.
@ianyboo
Жыл бұрын
I'm so proud of myself when I first bought my volt and tried out the steering column regenerative braking button The first thing I thought about was "oh wow I wonder what the brake lights do when I do this...?" So I had my wife follow me and was pleasantly surprised that everything worked as expected.
@toomanymarys7355
Жыл бұрын
Only problem is the spontaneous fired lol
@kashtrey
Жыл бұрын
I had this same worry when I bought my Tesla. I haven't had anyone follow me but the little car on the screen actually shows the taillights illuminating when I let off the "gas."
@ianyboo
Жыл бұрын
@@toomanymarys7355 Volt not Bolt, unless there was some past fire problem with Volts you are referencing that I'm not aware of...?
@Idiamond59
Жыл бұрын
Yep. Same with my grandfather’s electric Volkswagen Golf. It works perfectly
@Delibro
Жыл бұрын
Yes, that's the kind of things we think of and are curious of and examine. Others not only ignore those kind of things, they call us weird and smartypants ... No, we make the world a better place, also for them.
@fr0stra1d
2 ай бұрын
A very simple solution I think is a small gyroscope with sensors on it and a fairly heavy weight for its size on the side facing the wheels, once the car slows down and the gyroscope’s sensors realize this deceleration the lights go on. Or a gain a small G-gauge or something to measure g forces and once it measures negative G-force the light goes on, and to avoid accidental engagement of the light there can be some sort of software additive that waited about 0.1 seconds before engaging the light.
@smadge1
Жыл бұрын
Subaru Impreza had a little car on their display with brake lights that come on when adaptive cruise control is braking. It gives you a lot more confidence in the system. (They also had a kerbside camera for parking, so you don’t scrape your rims, I wish more cars had that)
@samhotchkiss830
Жыл бұрын
Rivian and Tesla do the same
@joelittle7145
Жыл бұрын
Honda does this too in its new models, in my accord hybrid it actually displays all the time so I can see the brake light activity whole using regen
@erinw6120
Жыл бұрын
Cadillac had interior brake/signal indicators in the 70s. If you looked in the rearview mirror, just above the rear window were two little lights that illuminated in tandem with the exterior lights. They were also placed in the circuit so if a bulb was out, they wouldn't light. Some 70s models, Dodge in particular, had indicators near the front fender corners that showed simply the operation of the turn signals, or on up-market models, a three element indicator for signals, low, and high beams. They were not electric, instead relying on a rudimentary "light pipe" bit of plastic, or in later models into the 80s, fiber optics. Also, the 70s had a solution for curb scrapes, little feeler springs that you bolted to the lower rocker panels. They stuck out about 8 inches (20cm), and would touch the curb well before the wheels. Quite a popular aftermarket product still sold today.
@anon_y_mousse
Жыл бұрын
*curbside
@renakunisaki
Жыл бұрын
@@anon_y_mousse that depends where you are
@dwarrenmsp
Жыл бұрын
As all of your videos are, this one was very interesting and informative. I learned a lot about stuff I never even knew existed. Also, the thunderclap when gasping "SOFTWARE" was just the best.
@FunCompany
Жыл бұрын
When I was a teen taking driver education classes, my instructor stressed that manual cars can decelerate by downshifting without engaging their brake lights so always be extra attentive to the relative distance between yourself and the person in front of you
@TheDigitalThreat
Жыл бұрын
While true, anyone braking a car or larger vehicle by downshifting wont have a functioning transmission for long~ Its a good back up method to slow down if your brakes fail but doing this often will almost guarantee an early trip to the shop~ *Before!* you comment to tell me how you engine break and automatics do this or that, maybe read the entire thread first....
@MZRFaith
Жыл бұрын
Most people driving a manual you’ll hear downshift
@MZRFaith
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDigitalThreatwhat? Downshifting is done all the time on cars.. lol
@MZRFaith
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDigitalThreatsaves your brake pads, just buy solid transmission mounts to prevent worn out mounts
@TheDigitalThreat
Жыл бұрын
I drove a manual for 20 years. For truckers engine braking saves on pads. For cars you would be an idiot to risk your transmission over cheap brake pads once a year or two. Nobody driving an average car is engine braking in normal driving and if they are, they are an utter moron.
@isfrom5169
3 ай бұрын
US: bans kei trucks for "safety" Also, US: Let's let whatever that is happen
@LostScot
Жыл бұрын
An old friend of mine developed a progressive brake light as a uni project back in the late 90s/early 2000s. Gentle brakes had one light, full brakes were 3 lights. At the time it was deemed "too confusing" despite the fact I feel like it should be a requirement these days.
@dbclass4075
Жыл бұрын
Most cars do similar but different manner: in the event of a sudden hard brake, either flashing the brake lights, or hazard lights activate.
@michaelkeha
Жыл бұрын
It would have no real impact these days but sure at it to the ever increasing regulations list that has caused cars to become the bloated monsters they are today
@allastor
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelkeha Regulations that make it safer than ever for you, your family and everyone else sharing the roads. They save lives. You should be thankful as there was no safer time to crash than today.
@michaelkeha
Жыл бұрын
@@allastor actually many regulations run contra to safety as they have to compromise to fulfill other regulations like environmental ones and keep in mind all of this is added to what you have to pay for a car while making people more likely to take risks they didn't before due to that increased safety
@allastor
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelkeha Actually, all I read was excuses and not a single trusted source. So you said nothing.
@Danielwatson1993
Жыл бұрын
I would like to add that this has been a much older problem with motorbikes; that is, leaving the bike in gear without power can significantly reduce the speed of the vehicle without having to depress the brakes (Due to wind resistance and a smaller flywheel). In training, I was asked to lightly tap the brake pedal when ever i used engine braking to signal that the vehicle was slowing down instead of relying on any software.
@sternis1
Жыл бұрын
When I had training for my drivers license (regular car in Sweden), I was actually also asked by my instructor to lightly tap the break pedal to alert drivers behind me that I'm about to stop. In Sweden (and potentially the EU) the tail lights (red) are required to be always on and are supposed to increase intensity when engaging the brakes, so I suppose that problem is solved anyway.
@TheSimoc
Жыл бұрын
@@sternis1 I didn't quite understand your last sentence. So you think that constantly lit tail lights would be perceived as brake lights? And btw, we are not required to have tail lights on during daylight time if the vehicle is equipped with daytime running lights (ie. only if DRLs are not installed, we are required to have headlights on during daytime, and tail lights are required to be lit simultaneously with headlights). I'm in Finland though so not entirely sure about Sweden but AFAIK these are EU regulations. Otherwise I agree - gently tapping the service brake is a good idea when engine braking - because just the tail light alone is not solving the issue.
@tristonmurdock609
Жыл бұрын
i tend to softly tap my brakes over and over when i’m slowing down and even when i’m already stopped on my bike so that i know i’m seen
@HeartFire_
Жыл бұрын
I actually encountered this a few days after first seeing this video. Coming off the highway behind an ionic and it was slowing down quite fast without any lights showing while I was on the brakes quite firmly. I was prepared since I was turning off with it but I can absolutely see this being an issue if someone is coming up on them faster or not paying full attention
@rico5527
Жыл бұрын
Well... Pay attention.. Lol
@TheQC92
Жыл бұрын
Lmao yea okay
@differentbutsimilar7893
Жыл бұрын
@@rico5527 Anyone who's been out on the road knows that's asking too much of people these days. If "pay attention" is the answer you have to lacking safety features, that's only that many more deaths on the road. Honestly, driving a car is one of the most dangerous things your average person does on any given day, by a huge margin. While paying attention is good, having fewer hazards is better, because the odds of being hurt or killed in a car are already way higher than most people would be willing to accept under any other circumstance. We're all just sort of detached from that by familiarity with them, and often... too much trust in safety features. I can pay full attention and see problems like these, react accordingly. But I don't like that I have to react to it in the first place. Kinda rather the dangerous situation hadn't presented itself to begin with.
@Life_42
Жыл бұрын
People driving vehicles need to pay full attention like owning a firearm. You can easily kill someone or many people if you're not paying attention while driving.
@dylanrjames
Жыл бұрын
Why can't both be true? We should require everyone to pay attention. We should also give them every tool that we can that assists them in not hurting themselves or others. Making mistakes is human, being attentive or not. Not sure how you could ever make an argument _against_ something that objectively makes a dangerous activity slightly less dangerous.
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear
8 ай бұрын
The new problem is that some folk and manufactures are making the lighting system so bloody small that on bright days you have trouble seeing them. Plus some fool thinks that a tiny row of amber LED’s constitutes a turn light. It’s a bloody car not a Boob Tube.
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