I live in Greenwood, IN and recently Guy A. Relford, Mr. Dickens lawyer who has a radio show called The Gun Guy, told this story on the radio. The gun used was a Glock 19. Mr. Dickens upon hearing gunshots pushed his girlfriend to the floor, braced himself against a pillar and at 43 yards fired two rounds, stopped as people were running in front of him, then fired two more rounds. Advanced on the shooter while telling people to get behind him. He fired four more rounds at 20 yards, then advanced to 10 yards and fired his final rounds. The next day his lawyer met with him and asked the following questions; Mr. Relford “What professional training have you had?” Mr. Dickens “ None, my grandpa showed me how to shoot when I was 11 years old.” Mr. Relford “ How often do you practice at the range?” Mr. Dickens “Never” Mr. Relford “Did you have a Red Dot or modified sights?” Me. Dickens “ Kind of, a couple of weeks before the shooting I was riding my motorcycle and dropped it on the side I carry my gun, It ground most of the sights off of the slide.” I believe Mr. Dickens was touched by God that day.
@docgillygun9531
Жыл бұрын
That's my home mall as well. The unfortunate thing is the bad guys can be good shots too. God blessed a lot of people that day, and may he bless and guide the survivors, and the survivors of the fallen.
@rodvan-zeller6360
Жыл бұрын
No training, no sights, instinctive point shoot with forward pressure advancing on the criminal. This means that police training is completely wrong. Interestingly enough that Fairbairn and Applegate trained and taught exactly this way. I also learned this method from Paul Cale(Australian Commando close quarter combat instructor), a long time ago. Your primary weapon is your mind, a gun is an extension of your aggression.
@johnhalpin1847
Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I was told and heard either way he was still a hero even with those shots and those distances.
@johnhalpin1847
Жыл бұрын
@@rodvan-zeller6360 Actually it your are the weapon and the mindset the firearm is just the tool.
@rodvan-zeller6360
Жыл бұрын
@@johnhalpin1847 Thank you for the reply
@naturallyhigh1
Жыл бұрын
Can't forget about Senior Airman Andy Brown who stopped an active shooter on Faichild AFB. Shooter was at the hospital on base and SrA Brown had to respond on his police bicycle, so he was already presumably tired on arrival. Brown made his shots at around 70 yards stopping the threat. Shoutout Andy Brown!
@roberthearn2908
Жыл бұрын
And a headshot at that!
@naturallyhigh1
Жыл бұрын
@@roberthearn2908 damn right!
@dalewalters357
Жыл бұрын
He did… he is a good humble guy! He would train when he was off duty and practice shooting out to 70+ yards.
@seniorp9444
Жыл бұрын
I remembered his story while watching the video. Incredible shots with the M9.
@Mike193Inf
Жыл бұрын
4 rounds from 68-72 yards with an M9 Beretta. 2 misses, one shoulder hit, one right between the eyes. Amazing.
@bash4linux
Жыл бұрын
As a retired Marine SNCO, we were required to qualify with a pistol from 7, 15, and 25 yards. 25 yards with a pistol is no joke. My hats off to these heroes.
@musicman1eanda
Жыл бұрын
What was the accuracy standard for 25yds?
@US2A
Жыл бұрын
I have to have a red dot a 25 yards to be consistent
@ScrappyXFL
Жыл бұрын
Yea 25 is rough. We'll do 50 BUT only with a 22LR Ruger, ammo's gotten to damn expensive to be missing.
@Whiskey.Tango.Actual
Жыл бұрын
As a former PMI, I agree. That's why I shoot steel at 100 yards routinely. Makes 25 seem easy.
@Osprey1994
Жыл бұрын
25 yards is indeed the point at which most people start to struggle. I can put 8/10 on a man sized steel target at 100 with irons but at that point I am honestly just setting my elevation and trying to make sure I don't pull left or right. Now with a dot it becomes MUCH easier to send those rounds in where you want them. Part of the reason why I decided to try the dot was because I felt that with the emergence of closed emitters I had something that I could trust, and would help me refine certain aspects of my shot. I was right, there were so many small imperfections that irons really won't show you unless you're on paper. Even if you don't use a dot on your carry in, a laser sighting system or a dot is so valuable for training.
@Siskiyous6
Жыл бұрын
I learned to shoot with Smith and Wesson revolvers alone on our ranch as a teenager. It amazed me when I found out most people think a pistol's range is less than a shotguns.
@hoosierdaddy2308
Жыл бұрын
I also learned with revolvers originally. Model 13 smith in 357.. I used to shoot ground hogs at 50 yards regularly, but I shot single action and with a good rest. I've made shots past a 100 with the three inch barreled Smith here in Southern Indiana.. Pistol as just as accurate as any firearm if you can line up the sights correctly and pull the trigger well. It's the sight radius that makes them seem inaccurate to other firearms like rifles, but all things being equal, they're quite capable of shooting at longer ranges.
@kathleenredick275
29 күн бұрын
@@hoosierdaddy2308 Exactly right.
@Mr_Snarky
Жыл бұрын
Mas is a really good story-teller. Much enjoyed listening to him.
@cashields4660
Жыл бұрын
Equal to or even more impressive to me than his rounds on target was his readiness and willingness in his mind to react in the defense of others. A true warrior.
@dangurtler7177
Жыл бұрын
That isn't an easy decision to make. Even if you are successful, you are likely to be dragged into court. Also recall the television news coverage of the event, much of which was negative and attempting to vilify Mr. Dicken.
@cashields4660
Жыл бұрын
@@dangurtler7177 not a decision to be made lightly but the decision to act or not should be decided yesterday.
@55Quirll
Жыл бұрын
In the past, such heroes were honored, but today they are vilified - Dickens was shouted down because he violated the policy of the Mall against having a gun, forgetting the criminal had violated the same policy. It is sad what the government is doing to people who put themselves in harm's way to save others. Thank you for a very informative and historic video, the Austin Texas shooting I recall because I was 11 at the time, and the man in the church too. Again, thank you very much, and have a great day.
@thenegociater3387
Жыл бұрын
Damn fine work. Most importantly, the state did not attempt to penalize this life saving act. Thank you.
@ridgerunner5772
Жыл бұрын
Yet... Those Blue Line Boys do NOT like the citizens playing their games of mag dump...
@KP-Pro2A
Жыл бұрын
I think a nice EDC-X9 custom for him would be a nice way to show your appreciation…..😊
@geralddeas2303
Жыл бұрын
You can feel the excitement .... waiting for Massad
@wynnanderson2630
Жыл бұрын
What is more incredible is that not all the shots were taken at 40 yards. 4 were taken at 22 yards, and the final 2 at 25 ft.
@timblackx13
Жыл бұрын
Awesome lil' presentation. Thanks Wilson Combat for videos like these, and a special thank you to Massad Ayoob for his perfect delivery as always. He's got an awesome voice that commands attention, you can't help but hear and listen to his every word. Again guys, great job and thank you!
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@bobsnyder7831
Жыл бұрын
Being willing is the key.
@BlueDangMountain
Жыл бұрын
Short or long shots, train as your life depends on it. It does.
@Lucas12v
Жыл бұрын
My theory is that I'd rather be the guy who practiced at long range and needed to shoot at short range than the other way around. Even if you never need to do it, it helps with the fundamentals which carries over to short range. Plus it's fun to ring steel at 100 yards with a handgun.
@flightparamedic505
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mas for all you do for the 2nd amendment!
@tomglpn
Жыл бұрын
With all the tacticool channels out there it's nice to have real information available. You and Paul Harrell are the best I have found so far
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@guyschwartz1510
Жыл бұрын
agreed
@grigorirasputin5020
Жыл бұрын
Excellent program, Sir! It always irks me to see in comments or even a video, where some "expert" will say something like, "This gun is only accurate to 5, 10, whatever yards but if you shoot someone beyond that range, you will be answering to the DA." I always do an involuntary eye roll at a minimum. If someone is shooting at me or others from 50 yards away, I damn well want a reasonable chance of hitting him at that distance. When I began my LE career in the 1970's, every course of fire I shot, we fired at least six rounds from 50 yards at the target. Eventually, that was dumbed down to 25 yards and from there, to today's most common "standard" in my state which is 15 yards. Yes, most departments in my state only fire at a maximum distance of 15 yards with a sidearm for qualification. This is scary if you think about an officer who barely qualifies having to engage a suspect at 25 or more yards away.
@jameshutchins3396
Жыл бұрын
Absolute heros
@ianriordan6382
Жыл бұрын
The world is not beyond help yet. With fine young people like Mr Dickens walking the earth, we still have some hope.
@ProjectSerpo90
Жыл бұрын
Perfectly said Mas, true american heroes and patriots who are willing to step into harms way to end the bloodshed and protect innocent lives.
@johnnydhillon70
Жыл бұрын
True American Heroes!!!!
@roykiefer7713
Жыл бұрын
Superb video, thank you Massad and Bill Wilson. Decent individuals have the moral duty to protect innocent lives; I am an older American, but I was a Naval officer for two decades. This is the ethos by which we lived. The evil-doer’s range has NOTHING to do with our ethical obligations.
@AshGreen359
Жыл бұрын
Another video for my every growing Good Guys With Guns playlist. It'll be the best response to those who say this almost never happens
@cheeseandpickles98
Жыл бұрын
God bless Eli Dicken ! all of the country will remember your good deed sir
@byronlabelle7569
Жыл бұрын
I've always said it's not what you have but what you know, so Practice, Practice, Practice at all distances.
@nikolasbbq
Жыл бұрын
Ayoob - one of the most articulate guys on the net PERIOD and not just about firearms.
@christhomason3936
Жыл бұрын
Mr. M, You Are The Best Story Teller Around ... Thanks for All You Do To Keep Us Informed and Safer Every Day😇. (We Like to Call You Booyah) Chris and Rick From Chicago ❤️
@joebob617
Жыл бұрын
Great content, Mas. Much appreciated. I (for one) would love to see a segment where you discuss tactics (for a citizen armed with a handgun) in an Active Shooter scenario. Given the incidents we've seen in the last few years, and the tendency for these sick SOBs to want to copy what the last guy did - a concealed-carry defender is likely (IMHO) facing a shooter armed with a semi-auto rifle and wearing IIIA (or at least Level II) body armor. I have my own criteria to decide whether to engage or flee - as well as how one might engage a threat with a rifle and body armor - but I have no Military or LE training. I'd like to hear from some one who *is* qualified to speak on the matter. Thanks.
@JohnDoe-fu6zt
Жыл бұрын
While Dickens's first shot was from 40 yards, his subsequent shots were from decreasing distances. As he engaged the killer, Dickens CLOSED THE DISTACE, firing as he advanced. This shows excellent tactical instincts and skill. Delivering accurate fire while moving forward is a lot harder than it may sound if you've never tried it: it takes practice. I believe Dickens had no formal training. An amazing performance by a real hero. Anyway, if anyone is doing a "Dickens Drill," you should do it while advancing on your target.
@waynecastleman1363
Жыл бұрын
For me it's a mentality, that never goes away , We don't want it to happen but we know it can and from an young age of 10 I had training in rifle procedure, we are the old school guys and we're not afraid to take care of business, let's just pray we don't have to. 🙏💪🇺🇸
@floridasaltlife
Ай бұрын
Bravo
@nasserkuzbari2205
Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@JLatzMD
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Mas.
@waynecassels3607
Жыл бұрын
Great presentation. May God bless all those American heros and others who run towards danger.
@johnnylgulledge6899
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all you do getting information to the people!
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@harrydexter8426
Жыл бұрын
Excellent documentation on previous shootings. Thank you!👍😊🇺🇸
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@jimmiller1510
Жыл бұрын
Massad Ayoob for President. 👊
@skullandcrossbones65
Жыл бұрын
Amen.
@koomo801
Жыл бұрын
8:39 "Jack Wilson told me..." What an honor to speak to Wilson. (And vice versa!)
@airborneshodan
Жыл бұрын
I remember watching Mas shoot the 50 yard stage at the Bianchi cup with a .38 revolver!
@user60521123
Жыл бұрын
Our culture has to start including citizens as first responders. I think the public is hungry for a transformation to a society that’s better prepared for black swan events. We all need to push for policies that allow people to have the skills and tools to make that transformation, instead of treating us like children out of fear of lawsuits.
@Clyde_Barrows
Жыл бұрын
God bless these brave men and all those who protect the innocent.
@leroymorris6036
Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@dknollRX7
Жыл бұрын
Stephen Willeford, at the Southerland Springs church. He did an interview with Crowder, where he goes into detail about the distance and circumstances of the shooting.
@eddiexoc8430
Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video. Thank you.
@PurrsPlace
Жыл бұрын
Hooray for 50 Critical Mas videos! Thank you, Wilson Combat, for having my favorite gun guy on so often! His book of many authors, "Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know" is well worth the read! =)
@tedmckey6914
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, Mr Ayoob. The statistical silence of Disaster Avoided just can't overbear the static of a nut accomplishing mayhem with a gun...
@countylineengineeringmachi2942
Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video Mr. Ayoob and Wilson Combat! The grey sport coat, burgundy dress shirt and white tie is a great look too! Pure class! I’ve gotten to almost prefer training at a bit of a distance. Usually 25 yards if I’m at my local indoor range because that is the furthest distance offered. If I’m at home (summer only…..Minnesota winters….brrrrrr!) I’m normally at 30-40 yards. After getting used to it, shorter distances are a cake walk.
@DavidLLambertmobile
Жыл бұрын
A smart move if you own or live in a estate, farm 🚜, ranch etc would be to measure out distances, ranges BEFORE any lethal force event. Do a brief "rehearsal" in low light 🌃 & normal daytime. Break ins or home invasions can occur at all hours.
@countylineengineeringmachi2942
Жыл бұрын
@@DavidLLambertmobile Ya know…….that’s excellent advice and something I never considered. I’m going to take your advice and give it a whirl. Along the same lines, I’m going to plan on practicing every once in a while during the cold winters for similar reasons. Way different conditions. Cold temps, with a heavy coat on. Many thanks there guy!
@harleyquinn8202
Жыл бұрын
@@DavidLLambertmobile Also practice shooting without ear protection because you would not have a chance to put it on during a home invasion 😂😂😂 And concentrate on head shots because zombies cannot be killed otherwise.
@stevenlord782
Жыл бұрын
When Mr Ayoob talks, the drinking glasses on my table vibrate.
@jimirpg01
Жыл бұрын
So many great videos on this channel. This one is historic and inspiring. Videos like this, so drastically underrated, make me grateful for the internet.
@johngross8300
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Massad
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Always welcome
@cb.7814
Жыл бұрын
Salute!
@TexasRoadWarrior
Жыл бұрын
Goodness ! Thanks for sharing these with your audiences!!
@chrisboyd1408
Жыл бұрын
Excellent message. Thanks for sharing
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@sombra6153
Жыл бұрын
I read recently that Eli first engaged from cover and concealment, supported, with a G19 - fired 4 rounds, 2 hit the murder and two missed. Friendlies then ran in front of Eli and he moved closer to about 25 yards and fired 4 more, scoring hits. Then he moved to within 25 feet and fired his last 2 and then the murderer was no longer a danger to anyone else. Shooting at 25+ yards with a handgun is not outside it’s accuracy capabilities, although distance messes with the person shooting the handgun.
@RickyJr46
Жыл бұрын
"Practice doesn't make perfect. *Perfect practice makes perfect."* - Vince Lombardi
@leroymorris6036
Жыл бұрын
thats some great shooting! Some men have more talent than others with handguns but with training many can achieve it...
@haroldhenderson2824
Жыл бұрын
Good points, "rare" means "It still happens, just not everyday". It is very good that these don't happen everyday. Train, be ready, in case (later today), it becomes "one of those days"!
@dustysavoy6951
Жыл бұрын
There are alot of people who pay $5K to go on cruise ships, guided hunts, etc... I would pay this just to spend an evening sitting around a campfire with Mas and a few of his companions sharing their stories and views on different things.... not to mention some personal training from Mas. My uncle had many different gun mag subscriptions, Guns & Ammo, American Handgunner, etc...and he had thousands of issues that he passed onto me when he was through with em. I have been reading Mas' work in different publications since I was 10 years old....
@shooterqqqq
Жыл бұрын
Join the NRA. All of these writers are at the annual convention.
@craigadamkelly
Жыл бұрын
May God bless honest hard-working men that train and carry for moments just like these
@jongutmacher1277
Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed watching this video. Also a "Hey" to Massad who I haven't seen for years.
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@MrTbirdteddy
Жыл бұрын
❤GOD Bless!
@eddieengland9886
Жыл бұрын
Great video reminding us all to be vigilant and stay well practiced in our shooting.
@kc0lif
Жыл бұрын
thank you for your knowledge massad and real stories.
@matthewrobinson4323
Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Flat out awesome!!!
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ronaldhowdeshell8628
Жыл бұрын
God Bless...
@AHandleOnThings
Жыл бұрын
Better count Massad Ayoob as an American hero too IMO... Smart guy with common sense giving FREE top shelf advice and cutting through ALL the crap. Invaluable. Thanks Massad.
@billhoppe2991
Жыл бұрын
Awesome. Thanks. You'd be great at being the audio voice of Stephen Hunter's novels. I've followed your teachings since you started and am in your debt.
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@paulis7319
Жыл бұрын
I wish someone could interview Mr. Dicken. It would be interesting to hear his point of view.
@ScrappyXFL
Жыл бұрын
You have to be careful about asking. DA's change and TMI can be used for Mens rea
@beardedred0032
Жыл бұрын
This was excellent. Thank you
@bobkost5731
Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@RooRguy27
Жыл бұрын
These videos are the best. Thanks guys
@kubikariYOU
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, I always enjoy your videos.
@shawnbryant60
Жыл бұрын
That was excellent, more please!
@bikesnab1
Жыл бұрын
If I may add my 2 cents, Mr Dickens was "trained" by his grandfather. This is what has been happening in this country for a couple hundred years. For some reason our media seems to think the only way to train is at short distance with the military or police. I'll venture a guess his training wasn't at an indoor range either. The gentleman that explained the questions from his lawyer has great points. I'm sorry I wouldn't call this a black swan, I'd call it a young man who took in the situation and acted. Just my opinion. Absolutely agree that Mr Dickens is a hero
@daleparker4207
Жыл бұрын
God bless. Thank you.
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Same to you!
@jontest5718
Жыл бұрын
Nice work Elisjsha Dicken!
@bobwampler3387
Жыл бұрын
Mas never disappoints.👍👍
@johnevans388
9 ай бұрын
In the UK the Royal Marines used to train (I don't know if they still do) at 100 yards with their Browning Hi-powers. In the 1970s that progressed into the civilian sport of long range pistol shooting and we moved out to 300 yards with both standard handguns and specialist bolt action single shot handguns.
@nigeldeforrest-pearce8084
Жыл бұрын
Excellent and Outstanding Analysis!!!
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@ColeDedhand
Жыл бұрын
If you are the intended victim the range is likely to be short. If you are not the intended victim but happen to be nearby the range can be anything. Plan accordingly.
@johnbest7740
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr.Ayoob! Your video reminds and encourages the need for practice at distance.
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@navchaps3449
Жыл бұрын
Thanx Mas! Great, as usual. All the examples go beyond self defense and illustrate defense of others, Wild Bill being the exception. It seems to me that defense of others is a different game in terms of training, mindset, and legal issues. I would be interested to hear your reflections on the differences between self defense and defense of others.
@ptauagpt
Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation of some of our American heroes ! Thanks Massad !!
@minormunitions
Жыл бұрын
Hurray for Eli!!
@Aleks9x19
Жыл бұрын
This man could read me a child’s book and still give me goosebumps
@StealthyNomadica
Жыл бұрын
Goodnight Moon, YEAH!
@likydsplit8483
Жыл бұрын
If You Give a Mouse a Cookie…:-)
@kellywalker8407
Жыл бұрын
I have always shot long distances with handguns. Lots of fun. Just elevate the front sight in the rear sight and hold 6 o'clock. Best to have a dusty hill side to see bullet strikes and adjust accordingly. I grew up much like Elmer Keith by the way. Sorry for you city boys that just have an indoor range.
@sdmf4family
Жыл бұрын
Good stuff.
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@gregturner7670
Жыл бұрын
Always well respected info
@StealthyNomadica
Жыл бұрын
Mas, thank you for this presentation. It is so important to train, train, train and practice, practice, practice. God forbid we ever have to use that skill but God forbid we ever needed it but didn’t have it!
@johnouellet4099
Жыл бұрын
8 out of 10 hits at 40yards under pressure is amazing, great job
@BlackdogADV
Жыл бұрын
I’ve always shot at 25 yards, I should probably go for 15 and 50 too. It’s always nice when an armed hero saves the innocent.
@tonymatt5710
Жыл бұрын
Excellent reviews thank you
@jesschristensen7429
Жыл бұрын
Spot on Mass as usual. Always like and respect your input here. See you at TPS this summer.
@Nevets1970
Жыл бұрын
On June 20, 1994 a mass shooter attacked an Air Force hospital who killed 5 people and wounded 22 others. A young Security Forces airman was riding his bicycle to the hospital when he saw the shooting occur. He took his Beretta M-9 and took 4 shots from 70 Yards away hitting the shooter twice including between the eyes. To shoot someone 70 yards away with a handgun while being engaged by someone with a Mac-90 version of an AK-47 and a 75 round drum magazine is Certainly impressive and a “Black Swan”.
@redtomcat1725
Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this report a second time!!
@antiquebowieknifechannel4611
Жыл бұрын
Love these kind of videos! Mass is so good!
@gowilsoncombat
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@perldog07
Жыл бұрын
My dad, Ned Beatty played Crump in a docudrama of the event. He was a decent wingshooter. Competent handgunner. In Hollywierd, that means you keep that to yourself.
@oldcop18
Жыл бұрын
Mass: You may not recall interviewing me for a 2016 American Handgunner magazine article, “Out of Ammo & the Bad Guy Isn’t”. Of my three duty shootings the furthest distance was about 10 yards on a dark parking lot w/my issued Colt Detective Special. No night sights in ‘74 & no ambient light so maybe my 4 hits were mostly luck, but I feel lucky to have come through that unhurt.
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