i feel like this man is my sensei and the space station is my dojo
@Cypher652
3 жыл бұрын
Think we should form a squadron called Cobra Kai
@MrHank_
3 жыл бұрын
yeah kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
@jambothejoyful2966
2 жыл бұрын
Your space sensei
@JazzRadioFfm
Жыл бұрын
@@Cypher652 cobra kai mk3
@selfactualizer2099
10 ай бұрын
Just skip to asteroids
@cmdrelizamcdougal6914
3 жыл бұрын
Greetings, Cmdr. Hobbs! Finally I have to gratulate to this marvelous FAOff-Training-Series! You are my flight-instructor, who really tought me how to fly without flight assist and it really works! Really great work! Everytime, someone in my squadron asks me, how I managed to fly without FA, I recommend your video-series. So far no complains came back. ;) Thank you so much for introducing us into the "Magic of FAOff"!!! A totally new and natural flight-experience!
@moxenwolf1020
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Commander McDougal. Glad you’re enjoying it!
@andysonofbob2599
7 жыл бұрын
Superb! I love the use of 'tethering' the ship to rotating objects. A great why to get the feel for the ship in FA Off.
@johnterpack3940
3 жыл бұрын
This is the first flight video I've seen that actually offered techniques for practicing. Thanks for that. I can't try it until I get a new joystick though. My current one is soy-based. By which I mean it's hyper-sensitive and leans to the left.
@stirlinggreer
2 жыл бұрын
lmao
@CMDRRustyDog
7 жыл бұрын
Great video. It makes me want to finally try doing this once and for all. Looking fwd to future lessons. Thanks.
@moxenwolf1020
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rusty Dog !!!!
@paolomonti8027
3 жыл бұрын
So, I tried the very 1st exercise and with the Xbox pad is a nightmare... there was not even 1 micro-second where I was steady, with fixed point in front of the ship. The ship was going in all directions, even trying the minimal corrections I was never able to have it doing what I wanted. I was about to throw the controller against my TV at least 3 times... so I decided that FAOFF is not for me.. I leave this to those with better reflexes/control /controllers than me :) For me you're the equivalent of "Mozart" of the FAOFF :). My respect!!!
@matyi1656
3 жыл бұрын
Kerbal Space Program players: heh, they are waking up
@Arasieus
5 жыл бұрын
Very nice prepared video and thanks for the clear voice. I use keyboard and mouse and currently my control are set as A/D Roll, W/S Vertical Thrust, Q/E yaw and space to pitch, and my mouse is set to pitch on y axis and yaw on x axis. I was wandering if you can recommend any set of control for beginners where we can further adjust it to our taste.
@GeorgeTsiros
4 жыл бұрын
can't understand much without seeing your inputs.
@jonnyrico5526
5 жыл бұрын
The hud color is perfect, can u post the color settings? And any way great vid i just gonna try it out now. Cya
@moxenwolf1020
5 жыл бұрын
Sure! 0.2, 0.05, 2 -0.15, 2, -0.5 1.75, -1, -0.3
@chrisdunford2346
4 жыл бұрын
I've been trying this for a week and can't get it it. My ship seems to go wherever it wants and I'm not sure when or for how long I'm supposed to fire a thruster. My speed always seems to be flat out and half the time I don't know if I'm going forwards or backward. As for tethering I'm lucky if I get the ship to even point at anything that I want it to. Obviously I'm doing it wrong but I don't know exactly what I'm doing wrong. Your video doesn't actually say what to do.
@zappafrank2380
4 жыл бұрын
i cannot keep my ship steady. It rolls eighter right or left and I can't keep the nose straight. :( What does he use to controll the ship?
@osmacar5331
4 жыл бұрын
You both need to relax, glide into the position not ram into it
@Golem501
4 жыл бұрын
Okay I am a beginner and I play mouse and keyboard... I had issues just docking with flight assist on! I think I'll work on my fly skills with flight assist on before (if ever) I start these!
@jchoneandonly
5 жыл бұрын
That's insane. Any location where I can find people who could teach me?
@ashshadownight
3 жыл бұрын
Dang, once I get back to my home station, definitely gonna do this.
@TheWindigomonster
6 жыл бұрын
So I’m trying to learn this on the PS4 version of the game, and I had a question related to ship controls. I’m not sure if this is also the case on PC, but on the PS4 you have two different control configurations - “standard” and “alternate”. You can alternate between these two configurations by pressing a button on the controller. In the “alternate” configuration, you have no yaw control over your nose attitude, and instead are able to “strafe” your ship from side to side. Which control configuration would you recommend to be the primary one for flight assist off, and which one should we use for this excersizs?
@moxenwolf1020
6 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent question and thank you for illuminating that aspect of the ps4 version of the game. I've only tried it with a controller mapped and plugged into my PC just to see how it was. I will do some research on this. Thank you again!
@PrinzMidas
6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@Smokie181
2 жыл бұрын
So basically...with flight assist on, it just zeros out your velocity? Like "dampeners" in most other games?
@dotvision5111
2 жыл бұрын
Correct! With flight assist OFF you have to dampen the velocity yourself.
@Odinoji
2 жыл бұрын
You said you would take apprentices is that offer still up ?
@freddyfrisbie616
6 жыл бұрын
Hello, I just found this video and am rather excited to start learning how to be a better pilot. I have been playing Elite Dangerous for quite awhile. I am Elite in Exploration and just hit Elite in Trade. But, very low in my rank in Combat. I would like to learn to fly my ship and do alright in combat. I am an old fart who loves space and any kind of space sim. I am curious, is Newton's Gambit still a thing? Is the group still active? And, are you still looking for new people to possibly tutor? I have played almost exclusively solo because I know I'm not a match for anyone out there with even the slightest skill in combat. But, maybe if I can learn to fly my ship with skill, or at least make some friends in game, I can come out of hiding and play in Open Space. Please let me know!
@MLB9000
6 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid. Reminds me of learning to fly a helicopter. My instructor would often get me to fly out to the ‘H’ which was in the centre of a big circle of mowed grass in the middle of the airfield and fly around it with the nose of the aircraft pointing inwards. Then he’d make me switch up to hovering the other way and flying with the tail facing the middle of the circle. This was all made a bit more challenging by the fact that the wind would push you around quite a bit and any corrective input on the controls always required a counter input on the other two controls. As you mentioned the trick was to make very small inputs which required smaller corrections.
@TamasKalman
4 жыл бұрын
100% same experience!
@thalesank
5 жыл бұрын
This gameplay style adds sooooo much to the game; the feeling of really being in almost complete control of the ship makes every little flight maneuver an achievement, and this tutorial is helping me enjoy this aspect so much more. Thanks man.
@nunyabusiness8538
4 жыл бұрын
the flying in this game kicks every other space sims ass so much 😂
@XxsteamerxX
3 жыл бұрын
Making me rethink my bindings. Having played only just under 1000hrs, I've been wanting to go FAO for some time. I've only gotten to landing on some low G planets, but I still use FA on to get it stabilized most times. I also would do FAoff in asteroid rings to search for mother lodes because I could boost then swing my ship around in several directions while scanning to find as many as possible in the time I was looking. But I would cheat by gliding just above or below the plane of the belt so I wouldn't have to dodge all those nasty rocks. Like I said I will have to rethink some bindings because my head look analogue is the same as my thruster lateral/vertical (no track IR). I do have another analogue that only has thrust forward and back on it that I can swap for head-look and just use the other analogue for thrust lateral/vertical which in turn I can just use the main throttle for thrust forward/back like I have it set for anyway, I just use the analogue during landing in stations because it always returns to zero. I'm going to start practicing more.
@XxsteamerxX
3 жыл бұрын
...And this is what I thought I would be doing when I first got this game. I fully intended to go FAoff right away thinking it wouldn't be that hard... Boy was I wrong. Gonna get back into it
@XxsteamerxX
3 жыл бұрын
Been a little over a month and I am proud to say that I am 99.89% FA Off. It was very hard at first but muscle memory kicks in after a while and my brain has adjusted to making small adjustments instead of constantly over correcting. I don't think I even went through all of your proficiency before I really got the hang of it. I flew to San Tu, bought a Sidewinder and crashed around a bit until I started to get nausious. I started to dream in FA Off. So I took about a week off. When I came back to it and started to just mine and collect mats for engineering an exploring Phantom I realized that I was already doing it. I'm landing better... even on a 1.3G planet that I didn't take the time to take note of. I kissed the ground, recovered and landed with 11% hull. THAT'S A WIN. I'm still not nearly as smooth as our sensei here. But the only time I turn it on is when collecting mats from High emissions drop zones (dropping the session and rejoining brings you back in FA On. I found it faster to just leave it until that site times out.)
@XxsteamerxX
3 жыл бұрын
My re-binding worked like a charm. Much better than before. The throw on the Virpil throttle is larger than all the other throttles I had before, and I have the controls chair mounted instead of desk mounted so I decided to go throttle forward and reverse instead of forward only using a button option to switch to reverse. This gives me only half the range and I can still use all the buttons and switches comfortably on the throttle.
@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_
4 жыл бұрын
Man you make it seem so simple, following the outer ring of the station I always drift away then I over correct and smack on the station. *EDIT:* After sticking with it for a few days I am starting to get the hang of it, I found that flying the length of the station and going between the struts (yes the space is massive between them) makes it more fun after you get bored of the tethering exercises and if you smack against the station and spin around it's good practice for regaining control. Also shows you how important lateral/vertical thrusters are
@XxsteamerxX
3 жыл бұрын
That's what I found. When I got bored with the exercises, I just went and did things I needed to do like mine for a mission or engineer a ship and go to different planets trying to land. After, I would fly nap of the earth for a while and through canyons before taking off back up into space. Couple times I boosted straight into the surface to go KaBlammo but it taught me my limits. Combat is infintely better, even though I don't prefer combat, but I found I don't lose the ship from my sights anymore.
@DerekMoore82
5 жыл бұрын
People who have no experience with this don't realise the skill that's on display here, wow. But what I really wanted to remark on is how good your presentation is: cinematography for the recording, sound quality etc.
@Neutronic01
6 жыл бұрын
You gotta give credit to those who use FA off all the time. These guys really understand how normal ships would work in space.
@brnddi
5 жыл бұрын
Except for the whole maximum speed part :-)
@noosebrother
5 жыл бұрын
i have the spatial awareness of a potato so FAon by default XD
@ryanbroos5143
5 жыл бұрын
@@noosebrother 🤣
@thfreakinacage
5 жыл бұрын
@@brnddi Anybody else been playing long enough to remember the FAO boost trick? They removed this a while back but your ship has a maximum speed right, and then a maximum boost speed. When you boost, the ship returns to normal max speed. In older versions you could boost, then turn flight assist off and you'd hold that boost speed until you turn it on again.
@Jordan-pk8mp
5 жыл бұрын
@@thfreakinacage that's how space actually works.. technically there should be no max speed for ships. just acceleration differences.
@bedrockraptor5534
5 жыл бұрын
well... I did this in a T10, it didn't go well
@JohnJonesRocketCity
6 жыл бұрын
I’m fixing to buy elite dangerous and I have a strong background with flight sim and fpv racing and I currently have rudder pedals and thrustmaster warthog hotas. This video answers a lot of questions I had about the flight model and how much freedom that model provides. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
@XxsteamerxX
3 жыл бұрын
Next on my wishlist are a set of rudders. I use a twist grip on the Kosmsima VKB grip. Use it a lot. I feel it would be a lot easier on a set of rudder pedals. But the realism is what I bought ED for. Enjoying my new found freedom of FAOff for a little over a month now. Now when I do use FAOn, if find it so stiff an unforgiving. I actually hate it.
@adamw.8579
3 жыл бұрын
This flight sim habits are also my problem. Flight with FA is very similar to aircraft behavior ... FAO is very different pair of shoes. Full Newton physics.
@JonTaRW84
2 жыл бұрын
Super good videos, I'm a keyboard and mouse user and gonna try to learn FAOFF, mainly for combat and my ultimate goal is to learn how to outmanouvering the hardest NPCs with my vulture and F-D-L. Are your training forums still active?
@matfly4832
4 ай бұрын
Every time I hit that button, I feel like I drank 60 oz of Tequila and just stood up too suddenly.
@sym667
3 жыл бұрын
I've been playing the game for a few days and I didn't even know that there was such a feature you could switch off, but having studied physics, it seems to me the only sensible way to play it, now! Thanks also to your really nice guide! Thanks a lot!
@BoardGameClub
3 жыл бұрын
Once you go back to FA On, it’s like you’re flying in a straight jacket
@holl-we4ir
5 жыл бұрын
I am trying this on Mouse and Keyboard... damn this is hard. EVERY thruster control (except mouse controls) is digital. I am busy trying to lightly tap 6 keys at once.
@drogenfeld
3 жыл бұрын
I actually initially wanted to learn it, but on mouse and keyboard, using analogue controls is just not nearly possible. That is what flight assist is for, it simulates analogue controls. You can't give half thrust with a yes or no key.
@joesilver75
3 жыл бұрын
@@drogenfeld I've bought a H.O.T.A.S. as I thought it would be ideal for mastering FA OFF. Well, for what I've seen so far, I don't think it makes it any easier. In fact, the micro-corrections are somewhat more complicated, because the analog controller is designed for continuous, incremental inputs, whilst FA OFF requires digital, short impulse corrections. Microcorrecting with the joystick means that you have to exercise the smallest amount of movement (whether for pitch, roll, or yaw) allowed by the joystick, which is much less easier to obtain than with a key pressure. By pressing a key (or a button) you cannot fail. With the joystick, you must win the spring resistance each time you try to produce a small impulse, which often results in a larger correction than needed. But it's also possible that I'm a completely rubbish pilot...
@drogenfeld
3 жыл бұрын
@@joesilver75 The point I am making is this: A button can only do on or off. You need to hit the right button the correct amount of times at the right timings. A joystick has analogue axis, which enables you to continuously adjust the trajectory of your ship without having to button smash your thruster controls and hope it'll fly the way you want. You can't do microadjustments with a on and off switch, as you always give full power. Imagine driving your car like that, your gas pedal, brake and steering are just a switch. It'd be a bumpy and stressful ride.
@joesilver75
3 жыл бұрын
@@drogenfeld Sure, but driving a car is different from flying a starship in low gravity and virtually zero air drag. On the road you must keep pushing the pedal to keep the same speed, otherwise your car will slow down and eventually stop. Also steering a car is more akin to yawing in FA mode (you keep the rotating the joystick or you will stop spinning) than with FA off, where a small digital micropush will make your ship spin forever. You really need to give frequent small microadjustments to use FA off in ED, and analog controls do not help because they are meant for gradual variations rather than small, short pushes. I'm having a hard time with my joystick, much harder than with a steam controller! I could reduce the sensitivity, but that would mean that I should make large movements to get very small corrections. And buttons are definitely better for that.
@drogenfeld
3 жыл бұрын
@@joesilver75 Once you can perfectly fly FA OFF with your keyboard, then talk about this again. Until you do, I'm not interested in pointless discussions such as this and you talking about how a car works compared to a spaceship.
@korrectmethod
3 жыл бұрын
Learning FA off is difficult but it's nice when it "clicks" in your head. I had a few moments like that. I went from tumbling through space, to tumbling in space but in the right direction, to over controlling so it looked like a mad drunk person trying to dock, to finally realizing small corrections and just relaxing on the controls overall made for a swan like grace.
@Maniac3020
6 жыл бұрын
I find picking up stuff with my cargo scoop with FA off is great practice for the fine inputs needed for such flying. I can't do it in combat yet, but I can reliably dock at a spinning station without much difficulty. I use a dual joystick with pedals setup. Configuring the toe brakes for "Flight Thrust" allows me to make small FA off inputs without moving my hand to my throttle, and having two full joysticks allows finer precision. I found a program called Joystick Curves, it really helps with the small inputs, and reduces overcorrection. It's also improved my handling of interdictions, as I tend to flail a bit during those.
@marcustullius6680
6 жыл бұрын
After 3k+ hours in this game, all ranks, ships, engineering mods etc., I just made my first FA off landing on station and I feel myself like a complete noob :) Thanks guys. BTW landing on rotating station was much easier with heavy combat fitted Anaconda than with smaller ships. The mass of the ship forgives a lot of mistakes.
@selfactualizer2099
10 ай бұрын
Medium and up is easy for fa off, But a sidewinder that can't be hit is dangerous
@Monody512
6 жыл бұрын
I really love the newtonian and non-facing-dependent moving aspects of FAO, and I’d totally use it… except it’s impossible with a mouse. Wish I could disable translational assist but keep rotational.
@CMDRArsenCross
7 жыл бұрын
This is easily the best FAO tutorial that I have seen. I love the separation into specific exercises. I look forward to seeing more content from you.
@Boon-N-Bros
3 жыл бұрын
Bro my long lost people! you guys should fly with us sometime. we have a sidewinder derby club where we deck out sidewinders and go station surfing, racing and tons other other contests, including faoff races and courses! look up the squadron Rope Duckers.
@aaron_333
3 жыл бұрын
Wonder if anyone tried this training using VR. 🤢
@thomasquwack9503
5 ай бұрын
yeah
@golem_videomaking
5 ай бұрын
me rn, but i never had vr sickness in my entire life and probably i will never have
@barmetler
3 жыл бұрын
I never actually played this game, but am really interested. I'm guessing "flight assist off" is the same as turning off inertia dampening in space engineers? as in it doesn't automatically kill lateral velocity if you press forward? That sounds like a lot of fun, once I have some time to spare, I definitely need to get into this game.
@smoadia85
6 жыл бұрын
man Asteroid Gliding reminds me of Expanse when Alex gravity fling Rocinate
@hzer12
5 жыл бұрын
I thought exactly the same :)
@Xingmey
4 жыл бұрын
The most bullshit scene fron that show.... everything else was spot in. That tour eouldve taken at least 4 months...
@snowylynx36
3 жыл бұрын
This is great. My only training in FAO is flying full tilt through an asteroid field and hoping I make it. maybe I should try this.
@ryanpottle6443
2 жыл бұрын
I hate you... And I love you. One day it will be all fa off. But thanks to you I have learned to at worst toggle it on and off
@cmdrsoundo5240
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers. Found these videos. News years 2022 resolotion. learn FA off
@68Snaps
4 жыл бұрын
this is not a new video by all means, but it's new for me. Thanks for the awesome explanations. I just need to figure out how to configure my X56 hotas to incorporate X Y and Z thrusters on the controls. When that's done i'm off to rebuying a sidewinder and getting the FA-OFF vibe flowing ;-) Thanks for the great insight on this video (and the follow ups). One question though, we clearly see you looking in all directions during flight, so I guess you have a VR headset. How important do you think it is? Can you faoff just looking straight out the main window of your ship, or having a free headlook actually makes the whole thing possible?
@markfarrell6810
4 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic tutorial series! Wish I'd found this 1700 hours (game time) ago. lol Curious, when changing from things like station keeping and just dodging asteroids, none of these is chasing you or firing one of many weapons at you. Are we just going to rely on the fact that during FA OFF, the ship controls are actually doing what you tell them to, instead of letting the flight control system interpret your input and making clean, sanitized movements under tight control? I started using a G13 game pad that has a tiny digital stick - as you say, on-off-on, no in between. I setup two macros to do the following; MACRO1: Switch FA OFF Set main thrust to zero Apply nose up thrust to pitch the ship "up" following my joust partner When my crosshairs meet his "plane" of travel MACRO2: Switch FA ON Set main thrust to 75% And hopefully end up facing my target while they perform their flip, leaving them exposed and flat faced to my crosshairs. Trying different things, I changed MACRO2 to set main thrust to -75%, leaving me facing my target with me flying backwards and giving me more targeting time as they restart their attack. While this improved my ability to inflict damage, it had problems. I found myself colliding with too many things killing my shields and sometimes causing fines. No "backup" monitor like cars have today. lol Since then, I've been through one really bad joystick (Logitech Pro) and then purchased a Turtle Beach VelocityOne FlightStick. The controls on this are amazing. No need to calibrate as "zero" is always "zero" and there is no slop in the stick, anywhere. It comes with a full X/Y/Z main stick that has two hats. H1 is digital H2 is analog. It also comes with two independent analog "thrust" controls and a kind of strange scroll wheel. The scroll wheel can be either digital J_13^ / J_14v or analog for flight trim. I use the right thrust control for vertical thrust with a 75% deadband. There are switches at the end of each thrust control. For the left thrust I have the top switch set to BOOST and the bottom switch set to BRAKE for the SRV It also comes with an adjustable control curve setting Precision / Standard /Fast for the main flight stick. I'm going to take some time getting used to it in Standard and then begin working with FA OFF and Precision mode. Oh, and no more macros for the time being. Wish me luck. CMDR Krillion Hax o7
@mrhumans6453
7 жыл бұрын
I was following along thinking, man I have the basics down well enough. Then you blew my mind with the last two asteroid exercises. And this is video one... Good stuff.
@boyohazard
3 жыл бұрын
*Watches episode of Battlestar Galactica* "Ah! Now those Vipers don't have Flight Assist at all! I can do that!" *Hops into Viper in Elite Dangerous* COVAS: "Flight assist off" *Spins wildly out of control, crashes into everything and is sent to insurance screen* COVAS: "Flight Assist on" And now I am here watching your video series!
@dustinthewind3925
3 жыл бұрын
Kinda fun, you say... I spend hours and hours doing this when I should be grinding. These "exercises" are what space sims are all about to me, lol. It's kind of a shame that full newtonian physics aren't a thing in the game, like SC, but I can't complain too much.
@sombient
3 жыл бұрын
Look, I realize this video is 3 years old... but I've only been flying for a few weeks now.... And after watching the flight in "Green Elk" I realized I was missing out on something in Elite. I'm about to log in and the first thing I'm doing is turning FA off and am going to spend the night learning my orbits.
@JonAcostaArt
5 жыл бұрын
Duuuuude....I'm a professional concept artist / illustrator who plays ED. When I'm working, I keep KZitem running in the background, often on ED videos. I've run the Obsidian and Yamiks gamuts as well as a ton of others....started running out of ED topics to keep my brain running during art production. Today, I came across your channel and your excellent training videos! I used to play Eve and there were some great folks dedicated to training new combat players in-game but I always thought this game needs that badly. I'm a dedicated explorer (for past 4 years), half way through Pioneer rank now with the intent of picking up combat after Elite exploration rank. Your videos are so professionally narrated, succinct and eloquent. I've ALWAYS wanted to become a FAO pilot so I can't wait to employ your videos soon as I start dedicating time to combat. Cheers! Btw, just a bit of silly talk here: if you try to pronounce "FAO" in Spanglish, it sounds like "feo" which means "ugly" lol CMDR JonAcosta www.artstation.com/jacosta
@lb21a
Жыл бұрын
"Newton's Gambit" i really like that
@kainejoyes2981
2 жыл бұрын
You made this look so easy, I though np I’ll just blast out these exercises…..two sidewinders later…ops
@ArtTiller
5 жыл бұрын
Wolf, You brought a smile to my face this evening. Watching your FA off training took me right back days as a check airman for a very large helicopter company. Flying the Agusta 109E helicopter is a big challenge for the average pilot with SAS off. (Stability Augmentation System) Most are uncomfortable flying and hovering with SAS off. I always made it a point to teach my students to hover and maneuver with SAS off. Sideways, backwards, pivot the tail rotor about a point. That sort of thing. You were doing exactly the same thing in your video. OUTSTANDING!
@BasicShapes
7 жыл бұрын
Holy hell! Incredible FAO skills. I want to play Interstellar's Docking Scene music to this. Lol!
@TuDeDaTe
4 жыл бұрын
Im a 1000+ h ksp player, flight assist off is the only natural way for me to fly :d but tbh it did really helped me except when I realised that the magnitude of things in this game is way more bigger than Ksp's.
@TuDeDaTe
4 жыл бұрын
Its a shame that this game lacks proper orbital mechanics for spacecraft.
@curryinahurry3730
5 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. Just doing these exercises for a few minutes made me way more capable of controlling my ship in fao, especially in combat. Feels like a whole new game.
@seyo8068
3 жыл бұрын
i cant imagine this is possible on console whit a Controller.. i use FAO ONLY for turns but would love to do more whit it
@lol-cw8cx
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like you guys give yourselves way too much of an ego just cuz you don’t have space Traction control
@sidthebassist89
2 жыл бұрын
I mainly use it during combat. Even if you don't normally fly FA off you should be using it in combat
@kurushimee
Жыл бұрын
I might be late, but this is still useful! I'm a combat flight sim fella and want to get into E:D again, this time without FA
@DoctyrEvil
3 жыл бұрын
Completely off topic: I think those are communications or sensor arrays which is why they make funny noises.
@HaibaneOpera
6 жыл бұрын
At last, I'm diving into flight assist off and enjoying it so far :) Still a total newbie as I'm still training on this video's exercices, but just being able to put your ship nose in a different direction than your vector is fun and feels like opening a world of possibilities. I had no problem with the asteroid field exercise as it only involves thrusters, but I struggle with the tethering exercise. I can tether to the ring but i'm constantly drifting left and right, I can correct my position for a while but can't keep a constant straight line like you do. Maybe it has to do with my joystick that has a high sensitivity? I will try to lower it and see if it helps. EDIT: I chose the lowest sensitivity profile and it's better, still drifting a tiny bit left and right but way more manageable. Thanks again for your videos, keep them coming!
@OldManPaxusYT
Жыл бұрын
Great stuff! I _know_ that one day i _have_ to get better at FA-OFF! (Currently the peak of my FAOFF is when i use it to complete boosted loops faster or any turn i'm being out-turned in...so long as i have the right thrust to actually do it, i mean).... Anyway, i have a *QUESTION:* Is this viable without a joystick? (I'm keyboard and mouse).... Cheers. ↑ Comment for algorithm + 👍 'd #OldManPaxus Rating: ☆☆☆☆
@marekzegarek633
Жыл бұрын
Definitely viable with Xbox game pad controller.
@xhappybunnyx
10 ай бұрын
viable with anything you're comfortable giving small inputs to!
@pentuplove6542
4 жыл бұрын
Flight assist turned itself off on my PS4 when I took off in a Space Station. I was spinning all over. Use the Thrustmaster JAT (Joystick and Throttle).
@kevinhewitt6134
3 жыл бұрын
Cheers for making this guide I turned f.a off last night and now i know where im going wrong
@luisamador2318
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this tutorial! I love you HUD colors scheme, can you share it?
@luisamador2318
3 жыл бұрын
You already answer this, Thank you!, I'm gonna paste here your previous response: 0.2, 0.05, 2 -0.15, 2, -0.5 1.75, -1, -0.3
@sidrat2009
3 жыл бұрын
This is a great way to make Elite Dangerous Fun Again. This is flying mastery at its core. Perhaps a toggle button to switch between analogue directional thrusters would be a good idea? Also the YT algorithm is really slow as I should have seen this video in 2018 at least. Regardless I've not even dabbled in flight assist off outside of combat and that's only because the AI usually likes to play jousting games unless you can get a good lateral sweep on them to remain on target. Yes I turn FA back on once in sight again, if they're still alive after a few passes I've already got their pattern and am orbiting them until they blow up. Which is a lot easier now I'm flying an engineered Fed Corvette with beam lasers. I really hope you're still playing and your community is awesome.
@moxenwolf1020
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! And yeah I just started up again after a couple year hiatus.
@replay_pete
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. It was kind of easy to understand that for me though as I already have some experience playing Kerbal Space Program. I didn't even know that all these Newtonian laws do work in Elite too. I love it!
@moxenwolf1020
3 жыл бұрын
KSP is an excellent game!
@TethoSama
3 жыл бұрын
Fly Assist Off, Fly Assist On. Fly Assist Off, Fly Assist On.
@onaucc9899
5 жыл бұрын
I got the game a week ago and have to ask: Why? Is it just for fun? Or is there an actual in game advantage for this?
@lemonandgaming6013
4 жыл бұрын
in combat if you flight assist off correctly you can turn faster than normal, and yes, its cool :D
@urstaxfetish1206
4 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend Hotas or Dual stick as easier to use FAO.. I currently use keyboard and mouse, but been thinking about going dual stick.
@Cyb3r_pr0ph3t
4 жыл бұрын
Hotas is definitely more enjoyable
@sawyerlawler2489
6 жыл бұрын
So essentially FAOFF = Tokyo drift In space... that's fucking awesome. Great video! I'm getting the game on ps4 soon and this is gonna be a huge help
@Simyo69
4 күн бұрын
Just did my 1st hour of station tethering. Got over 6k hours in Elite so far, never tried flight assist off. Practicing with my hotas. This is TOUGH! But this is fun. Seeing how stable you are is unbelievable. Thank you so much for this series. Hopefully in a month or 2 I can hold my own.
@lausianne
7 жыл бұрын
perfect timing. I just got serious about FA off a couple of weeks ago. there are already good tutorials, but all a bit dated
@williamebejer
4 жыл бұрын
Great tutorials Moxen Wolf. You got me into this concept of trying FA OFF and I'm back to basics using a Sidewinder. Two questions if you don't mind. I've got a Logitech X52 Pro, do you suggest to center the Throttle for forward and reverse main thrust? Have you got any suggestions for any amendments I should to customize the setting of my HOTAS? Also do you suggest the use of Joystick Curves like the xedocproject.com to refine tune for slow movements? Thanks and well done for the tutorials, I've been watching them quite a number of times to learn this FA OFF feature in Elite Dangerous. Good day!
@moxenwolf1020
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks William. So I don’t have my X52 Pro anymore unfortunately. But when I had it, I set it up for Full Range and the zero point was at the 25% detent. On that throttle, there are detents at around 25% and 75% where the throttle sort of notches into a predictable stopping point. My zero throttle point was at the 26% mark. This meant that I had more range to play with for forward thrust vs reverse. This also meant that the 75% detent now automatically becomes a stopping point for super cruise approaches. There’s an image I had a long time ago that I posted somewhere showing my throttle deadzones. I’ll see if I can find it. On the subject of using curves. You know I didn’t use any adjustments on the stick for my x52 when I had it BUT the newer x52 stocks are constructed differently so maybe you need something to calm it down or maybe it’s too touchy or sensitive. I used to be against using curves mainly because, when you first start out, it seems like there’s no way you could ever truly stabilize your ship because everything seems so overly sensitive. I really wanted people to embrace that uncomfortableness and learn to control their ship using that sensitivity. Then, when they finally got to the point where they could essentially stop their ship bringing it to zero, they would have all of that sensitivity as a tool to use when they needed snappy motion. I do still think that is a good way to begin. However, I can certainly see setting up different curves later and using them as modes of operation. Separate from curves, deadzones are really critical especially on these newer sticks. Make sure that you can reliably put your stick into a state where you know for certain it isn’t producing any inputs. And in case you’re wondering what happened to my x52. That stick lasted TEN years before it gave out. I upgraded to an x56 that lasted about a year before something started shorting inside the stick. I looked it up online and saw that a lot of other people had the same issue. I thought it might be bare wires or something so I opened it up, no bare wires to be found, nothing rubbing weird. Turns out after I took it in to my engineering shop here and let the guys look at it, something was messed up in the card itself so it wasn’t fixable. So now I can’t fly. But I’m saving up for a warthog and some peddles.
@williamebejer
4 жыл бұрын
@@moxenwolf1020 Thanks a lot Moxen, I'll set it up as you suggested and give it a go. Doing so I'll save a button to switch reverse and forward for another useful task. I won't install the Virtual Joystick for curves for the time being. Will stick to learn the correct positions of this joystick. I'll check the deadzones if any and adjust from the settings if need be. As for what you stated regarding your x52, it is a great product, however the throttle gave me a lot of trouble. Had to dismantle it a couple of times to fix the internal wiring getting snapped from the connector. Then I managed to use am IDE (computer HDD) ribbon cable to extend the wiring and soldered it in place. So far so good. My son is now eagerly waiting to have a go with Elite Dangerous, and there is where the danger is going to be :-) So I was going to buy the x56 for myself and give him the x52, however according to forums, I am finding that the x56 is also problematic. The Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog is a truly a workhorse so I'll start saving for that too :-) In the meantime I'll try to get along with FA OFF learning from your valuable tutorials of which I honestly thank you.
@davidpetrol7870
3 жыл бұрын
Perfect trainer voice. I'll give it a shot 😃
@ravenvalentine4919
2 жыл бұрын
its sad you cant do this on mouse and keyboard because the mouse over corrects like hell
@dotvision5111
2 жыл бұрын
You can fly FA-Off with KB+M. What I did was turn Relative Mouse movements on in the control settings.
@DannyPBradley
6 жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm really stuck I can't seam to be able to follow the ring around, either my ship starts moving away from the ring or to the left or right, and even if I very slightly attempt to correct myself I seem to lose control
@XxsteamerxX
3 жыл бұрын
Just keep at it. That's the purpose of the exercise, to teach you how fine the corrections are. 07
@drumbri
2 жыл бұрын
New sub new player- Thank you for your time and talent. This is an amazing and perfect video for me right now. So much to learn in elite dangerous. Your instructional videos are some of the best information I have found. Cheers!🍻
@lastfirst5863
3 жыл бұрын
And remember: the enemies gate is down.
@takkun3237
3 жыл бұрын
Bonzo Madrid didn't like this comment
@TheAlcoholic27
6 жыл бұрын
It's people like you that make the ED community so great. Thank you for sharing.
@marcmacinnis6610
5 жыл бұрын
I'm hooked, this is a completely different game for me now. GREAT tutorials it really explained it and got me in the headspace for doing this
@ElfInflicted
5 жыл бұрын
This was really cool, and very informative, but I'm curious about your control setup. Specifically, how are you using headlook all the time and still able to use all of your thrusters?
@KylewTyphewn
5 жыл бұрын
i think he's using a VR headset??
@egebosut197
5 жыл бұрын
TrackIR
@MJohnnyN
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, your bird is beautiful, CMDR. I can't watch the entire video at the moment, (Will later) but really, that Sidewinder is purrrrty.
@Vixzenn
7 жыл бұрын
My cat flies better than me without flight assist on, so thanks for this o7 sub'd+
@rockydowns1502
4 жыл бұрын
FA off on console its extremely harder imo
@tonycstech
3 жыл бұрын
I didnt know there was a flight assist. How to turn it on and what it does ?
@Sirmellowman
3 жыл бұрын
are you using one stick or dual?
@moxenwolf1020
3 жыл бұрын
Back in the day when these were recorded, I was using an X-52 Pro (digital strafe). After getting many good years out of that HOTAS, I upgraded to an X-56 with an analog strafe stick. However, that HOTAS lasted only one year. Now I fly dual sticks and will probably never go back.
@Azrudi
7 жыл бұрын
This is great. I've only used FA-off so that I turn around faster but that's all, it's pretty much useless to me for other things with my current proficiency level. So thanks very much for this tutorial! One thing that bothers me with FA is that when ever I disable it I just roll and roll out of control and whatever roll correction I try to make just makes it worse. I just roll and roll until I turn FA on. Would you have some tips on how to handle this? Thanks, and subscribed!
@moxenwolf1020
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment and the question Azudi! My advice would be to work that skill that I mentioned in the beginning of the video that I call "Quiet your Ship". I or one of the other Gambit Commanders should maybe make a video on it at some point. Basically, the exercise is... #1 FAON to a location outside of a reference point, something that is big enough to see visually (a station is perfect) #2 Get a little ways out from the station but so that you can still see it #3 Come to a full stop with FAON #4 Turn FAOFF #5 At this point your ship will naturally slowly start to pivot on its axes (plural) #6 Take a minute to just sit back and feel comfortable with this pivot #7 Now, try to give a small input (only with your stick, your throttle is always at zero) in the opposite direction of one of the axes. This input should be quick, very small, and immediately zeroed out afterwards. Essentially, this means that you should perform a very small move with your joystick and then center it again. #8 Continue to make these small corrections to get it to stabilize. When you're flying FAOFF, you have to continually make these small corrections to maintain both nose position and position for your next vector change. #9 If you, at any time, notice that it's spinning out of control, turn FAON, get back in position, and begin again. I hope this helps, maybe we can do a video on this sometime soon. Thanks again for the comment!
@jb3454
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video man. Been about a year since I've played. My ps4 broke a year ago and I finally just bought an xbox one with the hotas one. This video really helped me out
@chrisdunford2346
4 жыл бұрын
Complete newb. Cant even get out of the docking station without battering the walls for 5 minutes. I wish someone would explain which keys im supposed to be pressing and when. My ship just seems to wobble about out of control whatever i do. i mean am i supposed to be firing thrusters all the time or just using joystick to get going?
@reptar1098
3 жыл бұрын
Just started, I've been playing this for 2 weeks non stop. This is so cool
@deminted4ever
6 жыл бұрын
Wow one of the best ED tutorial vids.. Thanks man! Nicely done.. I am a noib to this game.. I will be watching all of these vids but will revisit when i feel ready for this.. I am such a noob only been play about 2 weeks but feel i am learning pretty quickly. First of all i DID do training missions first and i also watched youtube begginner tutorials about basics for UI and controls and Navigation etc.. Thanks so much for you and off tubers like you helping the ED community thrive!
@moxenwolf1020
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment deminted4ever! It means a lot to me to hear that I'm helping.
@Wylie288
6 жыл бұрын
So you are alive! You have plans on making intermediate videos or are those still something you just want to do?
@Veebat
4 жыл бұрын
Hey man I know this is two years old and all but I have just returned to the game after four years and have been using your training. This type of flying has changed the feel of this game entirely and I feel Way more in tune with my ships in just the past week of running these early exercises. I even started filming some of my training. I sure do bounce off the station a lot at first but I can feel certain skills melting into intuition. Thanks for this.
@cervantes01
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, very informative, I will be watching out for future videos by yourself, well done.
@RetirededKat
4 жыл бұрын
I know this is a very old video, but I've been trying this lately and I'm running into an issue: I use an Xbox One controller for my input, and don't have a VR setup. What this means is that the right analog stick serves as both my directional thrusters and my yaw (toggled by clicking the left stick) and is also my free-look stick. So it's impossible to look out the window and use my directional thrusters / yaw at the same time... :(
@ctbram0627
4 жыл бұрын
Do you fly with a hotas?, VR?, TrackIR? I am using hotas have 4000+ hours flying real airplanes, have why I consider exceptional situational awareness and I can't seem to get the hang of FA off to save my ass. I have heard that the best FA off flying use keyboard and mouse and say that makes it much easier? Is that true?
@TheHongKongHermit
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, and lovely presentation. In (checks clock) 4.5 days I finally get into space on PS4, and I'm planning to start out with flight assist off from day one. I may fail at it, but I want to try. Elite Dangerous is the space game I've been waiting my entire life for, so I'd rather put in the extra effort to master it, or explode a lot in the attempt.
@themindset4164
4 жыл бұрын
0:32-0:41 dude that's so cool, this is why I love this game
@kudosbudo
7 жыл бұрын
When I tried FA off in my sidewinder I found it far too difficult to control. I found that the pitch of the ship was super fast when in forward thrust in the blue but when thrust was zeroed turning was as slow as with FA on. As such I din't see any benefit too it. Also it seems like you need to be incredibly gentle with the controls in a sidewinder, so basically gave up but have been using the moves with FAOn fine. The other problem I had was the thrittle indicator didn't make much sense to me. Maybe if the FAoff wasn't fighting with the flightmodel I might enjoy it (Empyrion uses FA Off all the time but your forward speed doesn't effect your pitch or roll or yaw rate).
@Church_of_the_SubGenius
3 ай бұрын
Your succinct and informative delivery is really amazing. I would love to know your mapping on the X52. I imagine it is extremely efficient. Thank you for your hard work, Commander.
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