average non-billionaire kid: _“when i grow up, i wanna be a F1 driver!”_ *…so uhh… who’s gonna tell him…*
@edels497
6 ай бұрын
You can make that argument for any Motorsport these days. Look at the new young drivers in nascar so many of them are rich kids because it’s nearly impossible to afford getting into racing at a professional level
@StateoftheBuccaneers
6 ай бұрын
@@edels497The best bet is to get really into iRacing and make friends
@sasquatch7234
6 ай бұрын
@@edels497 Which is kind of sad. NASCAR used to be about "take this crappy car that you barely can afford, turn it into something that is fast using subpar equipment, and go beat everyone next Sunday". Now its, "all the cars are the same. You are rich xyz's son, so you will be given a seat even though you probably suck. See you on Sunday".
@DaDARKPass
6 ай бұрын
@@edels497 Atleast motorsports like nascar and gt racing allow kids with upper middle class parents to get in there. Formula 1 pretty much either requires full commitment from the parents (Esteban Ocon), or for the parents to be stupid rich. That's how bad F1 is with this stuff.
@notarotomwithhair5637
6 ай бұрын
Yooooo it’s denny delivers
@turbo_marc
6 ай бұрын
me watching verstappen lead every lap for the 24,189th race in a row:
@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet
6 ай бұрын
So you're telling me that the driver in the richest teams always win?
@Nate34
6 ай бұрын
@@Waddle_Dee_With_InternetI love how RB fans act like the team is some kind of underdog and that they aren’t one of the most successful constructors ever.
@turbo_marc
6 ай бұрын
@@Nate34 Toro Rosso is kind of an underdog, you're thinking of Red Bull.
@DaybreakPT
6 ай бұрын
@@turbo_marc Did you mean Visa Cash App RB Formula One Team?
@BoliveiraNTPW
6 ай бұрын
At least we got some action today. Aka Sainz going elbows out.
@DaveFromNorway-bx7uw
6 ай бұрын
F1 is like a cycle More dominant leading team -> less fans -> f1 tries to get more fans in ridiculous ways -> old fans leave -> f1 really starts to care more about the fan base than the sport -> repeat
@ultimate.25
6 ай бұрын
You've nailed it
@czaczaczar
6 ай бұрын
That also applies to any industry ever.
@leonard4928
6 ай бұрын
Vicious cycle of F1
@matthewlaunchbury265
6 ай бұрын
I mean... That's like most things, How do you expect them to grow if they cater to just old fans.
@sulphurous2656
6 ай бұрын
@@leonard4928 Need a gmod video of this now.
@Hunter-ww9rd
6 ай бұрын
As a European f1 fan, I just want to say that we all are equally pissed off with how f1 is being managed
@isthatrubble
6 ай бұрын
@ACougarSwagnumbot
@MarkPentler
6 ай бұрын
@ACougarSwagnumwhy have you posted this twice to two different people? And why are you replying to others when your comments are clearly for the video's creator?
@Nigel42687
6 ай бұрын
This is how Americans feel about everything good that happens, a stupid INC buys it and ruins it immediately
@extragoogleaccount6061
6 ай бұрын
I was just about to thank you and reply that I have been pleasantly surprised that many Europeans have voiced their displeasure, even if just for wanting a new team on the grid, but then I read the comment below by Sir Douche von Douchington and got irked again. I know he doesnt represent everyone though
@mishka1313
6 ай бұрын
Well, you got an american company to blame. Liberty media just like any other american managed companies ruins everything like poison in the water. They made the sport insanely media centric to the point that shit feels more of a reality show than a real sporting event. Well, atleast the sport is still european to the core that it takes real driving skill to perform as well, not like those circly stupid indy races.
@TrickiVicBB71
6 ай бұрын
I remember people TikTok saying those seats and hotel prices were pretty affordable for middle class person. I never watched F1 but I was like, "How out of touch are these people in Las Vegas?"
@frevazz3364
6 ай бұрын
To them a middle class person lives in a mini mansion with a pool, has a boat, and drives an X7.
@minartson
6 ай бұрын
@@frevazz3364 That is basically middle class in the US. There is no Universal Middle Class, an average person in the US makes a lot more money than an average person in most of the EU countries. Middle Class in Pakistan is practically a homeless person in California.
@matthewlaunchbury265
6 ай бұрын
in america they have more money than sense. In europe they have less money
@Manicfuguestate
6 ай бұрын
@@minartsonthere really isn't a middle class in the US anymore either. Now its homeless, working class, rich people, and billionaire elites.
@sulphurous2656
6 ай бұрын
@@minartson the middle class has been destroyed we're all homeless or wage slaves now
@kyperactive
6 ай бұрын
And Max Verstappen is your 2024 Champion of the World... See ya next year!
@thatsidewaysdud7623
6 ай бұрын
They have 2025 locked up as well. Maybe we’ll see each other in 2026.
@kyperactive
6 ай бұрын
@@thatsidewaysdud7623 True 😭
@Nightmareof94
6 ай бұрын
Could still go any way only time will tell
@kyperactive
6 ай бұрын
@@Nightmareof94 You really wanna say this after a 10 second lead at the flag? Nah, id quit.
@frankschaefer8890
6 ай бұрын
See ya in 2027 where theres 1% chance of a new result.
@iiTsFaded_
6 ай бұрын
You had this MARINATING in the drafts
@acegarcia3719
6 ай бұрын
The rejection of Andretti was the last straw personally. I'm not going to watch a sport where a few aristocrats defy the will of pretty much everybody else especially when the product on track isn't good either.
@BiggieTrismegistus
6 ай бұрын
I still watched today but the rejection of Andretti Cadillac really dampened my enthusiasm for the sport. To me it looks like they want money from Americans but are scared of any competition from them.
@protostnl6369
6 ай бұрын
Seriously, Andretti gets rejected yet Haas gets to stay
@dirkstrickland135
6 ай бұрын
They don’t want to pay the existing franchise shareholders the asked price in a CAPITALIST WORLD. Then proceed to mobilize their fans to whine about it😅
@Lora_Beolab
6 ай бұрын
@@BiggieTrismegistus Theres no certainty Andretti were going to be competitive, prob just another Haas
@Notsam12345
6 ай бұрын
@@dirkstrickland135that’s nothing to do with why f1 rejected them. You also pulled that out of your ass
@SomeYank9
6 ай бұрын
In my experience F1 and many F1 fans think it’s the only motorsport that matters.
@hehe-IgoBRRRR
6 ай бұрын
That's embarrassing
@adrianpragiwaksana4245
6 ай бұрын
That's why F1 fans are the worst. Equal to football/soccer fans, or even more.
@mariner_
6 ай бұрын
I can't take people who want to buy indycar to turn it into a feeder series seriously Fuck liberty media
@thicccheese4007
6 ай бұрын
That’s the issue. We’re sick of hearing F1 fans acting like they’re better than local motorsports just because they have higher views. Here’s a news flash, you cannot compare viewership of an international motorsport with motorsports that only run in ONE country as if it’s a fair fight but I guess fair fights are not something you have an understanding of.
@protostnl6369
6 ай бұрын
@@thicccheese4007Stupidity and elitism goes hand-in-hand when it comes to these people
@MarcosLuisTheSecond
6 ай бұрын
Andretti not being allowed in F1 is was the the thing that broke the camel’s back for my re-intrest in the series. And with how the F1 community acted toxic to the 2024 Ambetter Health 400 finish, I’m glad I’m in the NASCAR community despite its flaws.
@crouchb15
6 ай бұрын
Not surprised they would
@SimoneMX950
6 ай бұрын
What happened with the community for Atlanta? I don't follow Reddit
@captainwaffles940
6 ай бұрын
What'd they have to say about Atlanta? I don't follow f1 pages so I wouldn't see
@wordlesslfiddling
6 ай бұрын
If they hated the atlanta finish then quite frankly they don't liking racing and deserve to have max win every week
@kyperactive
6 ай бұрын
@@captainwaffles940 My educated guess is saying something along the lines of "your sport drives in ovals so who cares" or stuff of that nature. Immense mockery I can imagine.
@derosiflo6524
6 ай бұрын
F1 sadly was always the most elitist (motor)sport in the world
@battery_acid_consumer
6 ай бұрын
DTS is why it’s like that
@supertouring22
6 ай бұрын
Its the very top of the motorsport tree, so will be "elitist" by its very nature. Do you actually think before you post?
@derosiflo6524
6 ай бұрын
english isnt my mother tongue, sry about not using the adjective. and no reason to be rude. also i am referring until the start of f1 and even before that, where mostly rich ppl and nobles raced@@supertouring22
@thicccheese4007
6 ай бұрын
@@supertouring22bro chill
@0Synergy
6 ай бұрын
@@supertouring22Its not though? Isle of Man TT, Dakar, LeMan 24 Hour are literally right up there with F1 in skill and talent required and require far more bravery. Hell I would put Rally over F1 in skill terms just not as a product
@real_lemon8202
6 ай бұрын
At least in America the working man has a chance to see the show and race in it if they're lucky. F1 has always been by and for aristocrats and oligarchs.
@DepravedCoTApologist
6 ай бұрын
I have a minimum wage salary, and I can afford to go to at least 2 NASCAR races a year. It would probably take a year's worth of salary for me just to go to an F1 race. NASCAR's prices aren't great, but at least it's doable. F1 is atrocious with theirs. It tells me that they don't want me there, so I won't bother 🤷♂️
@Standby4titan
6 ай бұрын
Indycar has a similar ladder as F1 does. Regional then national karting (expect 6 figure budgets) Small single seaters, usually F4 Formula regional/F3 Indy lights/F2
@kenziekenzie3116
6 ай бұрын
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@GuitarOwnsDrums
6 ай бұрын
Yeah sadly the amount of affordable F1 races is dwindling every year. Maybe some European races are affordable, like Hungary and Netherlands. Still more expensive than US motorracing though, I reckon
@OccasionalNASCARRaces
6 ай бұрын
@ACougarSwagnumLeast elitist F1 fan
@nightfury1955
6 ай бұрын
F1: please give us $2,000 for a ticket to a race where you will see the cars once every 90 seconds at a terrible venue NASCAR: Do you have 50 bucks? You’re in. You can have the race in your lap and see everything. You can bring your own snacks too lol
@CJODell12
6 ай бұрын
NASCAR is definitely more affordable for fans than F1.
@ronbelanger4113
6 ай бұрын
F1 is not chasing the broke fan.
@SergioAbarca9
6 ай бұрын
@@ronbelanger4113Mate you’re on KZitem comments. You’re broke!
@kerrychhim9983
6 ай бұрын
@@CJODell12So is Indycar, if you want open wheel racing
@flareog134
4 ай бұрын
the first one was literally indycar at the thermal club lmao
@Milton_Valenzuela
6 ай бұрын
F1 used to be a passion for me, accelerated by Drive to Survive. The more I followed the sport, the more I listened to guys calling out its elitism, the more I realized that the sport is deeply rooted in money and politics 2023 burnt me out because I did not know what I wanted as an F1 fan anymore. I've gone onto greener motorsport pastures.
@evanfinch4987
5 ай бұрын
yeah so is human life buddy
@battery_acid_consumer
6 ай бұрын
The elitism from f1 “fans” started to become rampant when dts came around.
@ricky4772
6 ай бұрын
Agreed. i got into f1 in 2020 and no I didn’t watch DTS (still haven’t) and I’m a American who grew up on nascar. Yet those f1 fans will tell me I don’t “appreciate” the sport all because I don’t like to see Verstappen gap the field by miles.
@BiggieTrismegistus
6 ай бұрын
@@ricky4772I grew up watching IndyCar and starting watching F1 in 2013. The F1 fanbase is somehow even worse than the UFC fanbase.
@ricky4772
6 ай бұрын
@@BiggieTrismegistus bro im a wrestling fan………….man oh man far worst then ufc
@ricky4772
6 ай бұрын
Tribalism is bad for sports
@LHudson21201
6 ай бұрын
@ricky4772 unfortunately you have encountered the most common type of toxic F1 fan- the Verstappen Shagger. These guys will abuse, threaten and berate literally anyone who doesn't follow the hive mind of wanting Max to win every single race for the rest of time. Before them, it was the TeamLH bandwagon who were and are still guilty of the same crimes against sanity.
@memolestas1017
6 ай бұрын
Imagine having worked so long to win over the American public, only to spit in the face of Andretti and a giant like General Motors. There is a reason why Formula 1 is called "the great circus", not only because of the picturesque atmosphere that its events presented in the 50's and 60's, but also because it is directed by authentic clowns. For God's sake, how are you going to reject ANDRETTI AND a giant like GENERAL MOTORS when in the past you accepted: -A shoemaker who bought a team and ended up melting it almost at the end of the season. -A pirate Lotus of Malay origin that he even had to sell the carpet at his entrance. -A Spanish team that could not run the Australian GP 2 years in a row because they were too slow. -A team that did not even put its cars in the wind tunnel, which also had the name of a Russian car manufacturer of dubious origin, and which also missed some tests in 2014 because of a Trojan. -A team that adapted a Honda engine to a 4-year-old Arrows and gave it to Takuma Sato to drag around. -A team that had to compete a year earlier than expected due to pressure from its sponsor and also sank the name of a legendary construction company in the motor world.
@supertouring22
6 ай бұрын
Yes, because 1990s events are still relevant now 🙄
@mariner_
6 ай бұрын
Can you give context on these cause I didn't follow f1 much in the 2010s
@aleblasco39
6 ай бұрын
Because all of those teams were accepted before Liberty was in control of F1.
@mariner_
6 ай бұрын
@@aleblasco39 no I mean which teams were these ?
@aleblasco39
6 ай бұрын
@@mariner_ I think they are, in order, Andrea Moda, 2010's Lotus F1 Team which would end up being Caterham, HRT or Hispania Racing Team(they were bad but they had some iconic liveries in the three years the team participated lmao), Virgin Racing which would end up being Marussia F1 Team in the following years and then Manor Racing by 2016, Super Aguri back in 2006 and Mastercard Lola
@whoasked9500
6 ай бұрын
I love F1 and it's actually the first motorsport I got into but man the way a lot of their fans disregard any other racing series at all is so stupid
@saltyaphid3195
6 ай бұрын
Same. I feel its a good emtry into motorsport, but its not all that good
@snazzyidiot
4 ай бұрын
For real, so many F1 fans shit on NASCAR every chance they get.
@fordcent
6 ай бұрын
This why I mostly watch endurance racing.
@GregAllenF1
6 ай бұрын
People sleep on IMSA and other endurance racing, but honestly, it might be the best form of Motorsport right now. LMP2 was 10/10 good last year.
@saltyaphid3195
6 ай бұрын
Personally I dont have the attention span and its too complicated, i like having a small field where i can follow every driver. No hate though, it certainly looks cool
@GregAllenF1
6 ай бұрын
@ACougarSwagnum This is such an ignorant post lmao. Grosjean lost his ride in Indy, which you would know if you actually watched anything other than F1. Jimmy Johnson had a bad crash at Michigan towards the end of his nascar career and has not been the same driver since. He is washed and looks that way in NASCAR when he runs now too. Johnson of 10-15 years ago would be very competitive in Indy or F1 in the right ride. Also, SVG just finished second to last in the first non-super speedway/road course he has run in NASCAR. You really did no research before posting this F1 elitist crap did you lmao?
@isthatrubble
6 ай бұрын
@@GregAllenF1it's a bot or something, they've commented the same thing like 10 times
@jacksonbarinowski3966
6 ай бұрын
Endurance racing is literally so much better. Cheaper to watch in person, drivers that aren't total douches and caught up in their own vanity (so you can actually speak to them like they're normal people), more competitive racing, and the list goes on.
@odailson902
6 ай бұрын
Andretti was rejected because the teams dont want a eleventh team, it would means less money for each them
@MotorsportsFan17
6 ай бұрын
And yet F1 Elitists will still heckle NASCAR Fans with the redundant AF "f1 iS bEtTeR" comments F1 Elitists are the Embodiment of Close-Minded. They only care about that Series and nothing else because everything else is below them even though every other Motorsports series is doing so much better than they are
@randomchannel-px6ho
6 ай бұрын
Can we admit something? The problems really started with the 2014 PU regulations, which were conceived off in the immediate aftermath of the GFC where the sports future seemed to be in immediate question. For reasons entirely having to do with marketing and branding, particularly to investors in the automotive industry, these incredible complex hybrid power units were developed and marketed as "green" and in line with the future of the automobile. They killed competition, made the cars way too heavy, and made the sport to expensive for all but the big 3. F1 needs to rethink the entire direction it had taken since the hybrid era if it doesn't want to keep backsliding into a glorified parade every single year
@thehwguy4293
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, even the WRC decided to back pedal its decision to have hybrid PU's.
@iceblade019
6 ай бұрын
Also Mercedes having a head start with the 1.6 V6 pretty much destroyed the competition till about 2018
@BoliveiraNTPW
6 ай бұрын
"Andretti cant join because they would not benefit F1." - F1 Management So... how does HAAS benefits F1? How does Toro Rosso/AlphaTauri/RB benefits F1? The teams and F1 management doesn't want any new teams to join, they want to keep.all the money for themselves.
@Landmasters
6 ай бұрын
And if NASCAR doesn't fix this charter debauchery they're going to have the same issue...hell they already kind of do considering how much you have to shell out just to compete at the top level for a championship with prices only those with deep pockets can afford (often with mediocre or outright garbage equipment)
@takumifujiwara13954
6 ай бұрын
That was clearly a poor excuse by FOM to justify their rejection of Andretti.
@peter-johndamonse5035
6 ай бұрын
Youre right about the money, but, all those teams are already in the sport and can't just be kicked out whenever. As fans we were all disappointed with that outcome and even more people were begging Gene Haas to maybe sell his entire team to a certain fellow countrymen. We can dream, but the man has tools he needs to sell or something so Idk.
@xdeathkx8392
6 ай бұрын
Andretti not being allowed to join has nothing to do with HAAS or any other team. Yeah, so what? F1 is a business; a vital part of that is caring about and making money. Like everyone else, there’s nothing wrong with them acting according to their interests, regardless of whether you like it or not.
@takumifujiwara13954
6 ай бұрын
@@xdeathkx8392 the Concorde Agreement allows up to 12 teams to compete. FOM's reason for rejecting Andretti is because "Andretti would benefit more from being in F1 rather than the other way around". Which everyone could read it as bullshit when teams like Haas are barely bringing anything to the table. Sure, F1 is "a business", but Gene Haas has publicly refused to invest more in his own team to improve performance. And then when you have Andretti bringing in the the backing of one of America's largest car manufacturer, how is that not beneficial to the sport? If FOM thinks Haas alone can bring in the US Dollars they so desperately wants, they are quite wrong.
@lúki-ang
6 ай бұрын
I mainly find F1’s elitism annoying in the sense that all the F1 fans I’ve personally met love to shit on literally every other racing series because F1 having the fastest pace and the most advanced cars somehow translates into objectively better racing in their eyes
@Christopherbellfan203
6 ай бұрын
The lesson of this video: watch nascar or indycar.
@BryanWolfe21
6 ай бұрын
or imsa or wec because f1 is so boring
@racefan7616
6 ай бұрын
why stop there? motorsport is so diverse, even in open wheel racing
@DaDARKPass
6 ай бұрын
Or watch F2. That stuff is actually interesting on multiple levels.
@alaeriia01
6 ай бұрын
WEC would be good too. Or IMSA.
@BiggieTrismegistus
6 ай бұрын
I try to watch every F1, F2, F3, IndyCar and Indy NXT race. F1 is usually the least entertaining as far as on track action goes despite the occasional fun race. The other 4 series routinely throw up racing that's fun as hell to watch.
@joshjmilli
6 ай бұрын
The audacity of Formula 1 infuriates me. They don’t care about whats “best for the sport”, they care about lining their pockets with as many dollar bills as possible. More competition is better for the sport, so why are they gatekeeping competitors? “Why the prize pool of course! We can’t hand out more prize money now can we, because that would make us 500 million dollars worse off of the billions we already make every year.” I’m so glad series like WEC and IMSA had a recent boost in popularity, perhaps they can show Liberty Media how to run an actual sporting event rather than the TV drama series they so desperately want it to be. They need to get off their high horse and realise that F1 isn’t actually the be all and end all of motorsport.
@supermantrly
6 ай бұрын
Wec is unfortunately, not a diehard fan sport. Seen alot of people complain bout bop
@joshjmilli
6 ай бұрын
@@supermantrly that’s true. F1 is definitely better at putting on a show, for better or for worse. BoP has always been a blessing and a curse in sportscar racing. It’s never perfect, but at least the competition is never clear cut.
@supermantrly
6 ай бұрын
@@joshjmilli why make good car when theylll just bop it??
@joshjmilli
6 ай бұрын
@@supermantrly because a lot of it comes down to strategy, setup and team efficiency. Also, a reliable and versatile car is a good car in enduring racing. A good example of a not so good car being Peugeot: they suffered last year because their car wasn’t operating in the performance window often enough.
@supermantrly
6 ай бұрын
@@joshjmilli a good example was toyota and porsche this year. Toyota was a boat while porsche got alot advantages
@philphillips-ek1yp
6 ай бұрын
“Anything can happen in formula 1, and it usually does” (quote by the great Murray Walker) has officially faded away from existence
@joshjmilli
6 ай бұрын
If anything means the gap to p1 getting inconceivably bigger every weekend then the quote still stands strong
@versthappening603
6 ай бұрын
it feels as if a bit of the sport died with him (yes i am being overdramatic)
@LeonardoAldana43
2 ай бұрын
Lmao
@Tarquinthetyrant
Ай бұрын
Well well well
@pyr085
6 ай бұрын
F1 trying to break into the American market while simultaneously rejecting an American team, Clown Organization.
@soliderfromtf2
6 ай бұрын
I like f1 but you can not tell me its better than nascar. Atleast with nascar you dont know whats gonna happen.
@sasquatch7234
6 ай бұрын
That's kind of the selling point with NASCAR. All the sudden a tire comes off and a car slams into the one next to it and then half of the field crashes.
@MotorSport33-f5u
6 ай бұрын
@@sasquatch7234Nascar not about crashes
@supertouring22
6 ай бұрын
Formula Ford is better than nascar
@MotorSport33-f5u
6 ай бұрын
@@supertouring22 how? Nascar has 10 roadcources
@Preso_
6 ай бұрын
you cant compare the two, they’re completely different forms of racing
@thebestwastaken4624
6 ай бұрын
as an American f1 fan since 2010 I've been disappointed in how they treat the American market as just a cash cow. (also why does max have to win every race, he won the race today by 22 seconds! Why can't he give us Ferrari fans a break we haven't won since kimi days)
@kinger41
6 ай бұрын
Same, I think it's absolutely ridiculous how they give us three races like it's the 1980s. Like what? This sport has been rising in popularity since the 2000 US GP at Indianapolis (in my opinion) and we don't need three fucking races.
@nrbmemes2414
6 ай бұрын
@@kinger41America is 3/4th the size of mainland Europe. Europe has 13 races and America has 3. It should have more like 6 to cover equal distances. No one Michigan can go all the way to Miami, Austin or Las Vegas. Hence Indy.
@mynameisphi-2v49x
6 ай бұрын
Ay, hamilton’s joining y’all, don’t worry
@DaybreakPT
6 ай бұрын
@@nrbmemes2414 You should have the same number of F1 races in America that Indycar has in Europe.
@ricky4772
6 ай бұрын
F1 fans will look you dead in the face and call you a “fake fan” just bc you don’t enjoy watching Verstappen gap the field in a race and don’t even get me started with the FIA asskissing Red Bull
@PyroBun_2844
6 ай бұрын
Releasing this right after Verstappen once again wiped the floor with everyone today was perfect. Great video, such a shame that they’re turning away from traditional tracks/denying iconic names from entering in turn for money and billions of street tracks that nobody asked for.
@alarictheredboi276yearsago4
6 ай бұрын
@ACougarSwagnumyou only have this one comment. Find something better to do.
@evanfinch4987
5 ай бұрын
alarictheredboi276yearsago4 no youre the problem
@Gwox
6 ай бұрын
F1 management wants US money, not US teams and drivers. F1 fans want US teams and drivers, not US money. Give us Andretti and Newgarden over another soulless US street track with more fanfare than race and stupid prices
@Gwox
6 ай бұрын
@ACougarSwagnum firstly I'm not American, and yeah I'm not saying any NASCAR driver would be suitable for F1 (or vice versa). It's 2 completely different skillsets. There are some Indycar drivers I would like to see give F1 a shot, given that's open-wheel and predominantly road courses. Grosjean was an ok mid-tier F1 driver and decent in Indy (he's quick but way too crash-happy, same as in F1), so there should be at least some overlap in talent, and it's unfortunate for the pinnacle of motorsport to be almost completely absent of one of the world's largest motorsporting nations.
@TerminalSports45
6 ай бұрын
2:10 What do you mean "turned into"? They were already the most elitist and snobby form of motorsport on earth, they just did a slightly better job at hiding it... but their fans didn't.
@PlayMadness
6 ай бұрын
I absolutely love watching F1. I have for decades. But as an American, I can't deny this video, especially the price point for spectators. My family looked into buying me tickets to the US GP a few years back as a gift for a major milestone, but the prices were so insane that we picked the cheaper option: a weekend in Manhattan and tickets to more than one Broadway show.
@nessmk702
6 ай бұрын
Really well thought-out and strongly presented video, I think the frustration with Liberty Media is a pretty tangible undercurrent in the online F1 fan circles I run in (no pun intended). Thanks for the great watch!
@gitaikats2494
6 ай бұрын
Nascar was always US focused. F1 is a world wide phenomenon. If the US fans don't want F1 races I would be happy to have more races in Eastern Europe or Central Asia.
@ghostfacekillah9275
6 ай бұрын
Back in 2014 Mercedes had such a strong car that they halted its development fearing if it was too dominant the FIA would step in and change the regulations. I see no f reason why us who pay for F1 have to experience 3 years of Verstappen crusin each and every opponent while everybody in the governing bodies of F1 act like this is normal or beneficial for the sport
@gwox5681
6 ай бұрын
As an F1 fan all my life, couldn't agree more with most of this video. Since Liberty took over the competitive integrity of the series has been going down the drain at the expense of manufactured entertainment, seen by most European fans as an 'Americanification' of the sport in line with NASCAR. The Andretti bid really is the perfect example, with the FIA, with all their flaws, accepting the bid on sporting grounds, but Liberty rejecting it on commercial grounds. I will say though that pay drivers have always been a problem and there are less pay drivers on the F1 grid right now than ever before. For the most part, the SuperLicense points are holding up well (although they are heavily over-weighted towards F2 and F3 to get people going through FIA series'). Mazepin and Latifi only got enough points by each having one fluke season in F2 where they outperformed the rest of their entire careers by far, and Stroll was genuinely dominant in his junior career and has shown sparks of promise in F1 (not to mention the rules have changed since he entered to prevent another Stroll situation). Honestly, I have to agree with the decision not to accept Herta. The guy's a good driver in IndyCar, but far from the cream of the crop, and I just don't see him ever being more than a low-tier driver in F1 without at least putting up a strong title fight in Indy (for reference, in Alex Palou's last full season in FIA F3, he finished 7th behind Mick Schumacher, a bunch of other drivers who failed to reach F1, and just ahead of Zhou Guanyu). And realistically, if Herta was allowed in just because of hype and 'eye-test' appraisal, that would open the floodgates back up to pay drivers way worse than Mazepin and Latifi, which the SuperLicense system mostly got rid of a long time ago.
@13breno13
6 ай бұрын
Hit the nail on the head. No one was drawing these comparisons and making these sorts of videos comparing F1 to Nascar until the ownership change and interest from the US from drive to survive. DTS exists to grow the US audience in order to tap that market, they are chasing money and and the entertainment and leaving the motorsport behind.
@xdeathkx8392
6 ай бұрын
The FIA accepting the bid on sporting grounds and Liberty rejecting it on commercial grounds is literally both organisations doing their job. The FIA didn't have a reason to deny it as it met all their requirements, whereas F1 did.
@12p3134234
6 ай бұрын
As a f1 fan, I understand this video and I’m torn as well. A few points: 1. F1 is typically defined by periods of dominance. 2021 is an outlier. It’s typically defined by one team / driver pairing killing the game until the tech regs change (Hamilton, Schumacher, Vettel, etc). The fun has always been in watching how the rest of the grid evolves. 2. The Andretti rejection was actually trash and they’ll never hear the end of it, rightfully so. The only reason they did it was to maintain the existing team’s value. 3. COTA is the last somewhat affordable f1 race, and it’s the only one I actually go to. F1’s recent pricing is stupid at the moment, and they’ll be burned in the long run. The Miami and Vegas GP pricing is horsecrap and will fail eventually (Miami in particular - no one likes that race).
@qwj68boots
6 ай бұрын
Agree on all points But wish to add a very contradictory issue Liberty Media has created. With the inane cost cap, the competition can not throw serious cash into catching up. In many ways it's like the DRS scenario. How many years have they been saying they are doing everything they can to allow cars to pass? Money will alway$ change everything. Alway$$$.
@sharkk127
6 ай бұрын
I watched 4 races in 2023, i hated it, its boring as fuck and i hate how f1 thinks theyre on top of the world, if they ever come to watkins glen or any tracks indycar races at then im fucking rioting
@supertouring22
6 ай бұрын
They don't race at shit circuits, so you should be ok
@kyperactive
6 ай бұрын
@@supertouring22 Least Over their Head F1 fan:
@giothestupidass4136
6 ай бұрын
@@supertouring22 meanwhile miami gp is on a parking lot
@francisdawson4092
6 ай бұрын
@@supertouring22 Yes, obviously F1 only chooses to race at the best circuits and not race on parking lots with fake pools, street circuits with a dead atmosphere, or Abu Dhabi. Why race at an ugly place like Watkins Glen, which has never, ever, produced a good race?
@rrrsilverr04
6 ай бұрын
spit your shit brother
@misfortuneteller24
6 ай бұрын
NASCAR currently has a better on track product then F1 even if the championship is flukey. I love all racing, but F1 is shooting itself in the foot and its elitist tendencies. F1 fans would probably appreciate ovals more if they knew the history of why they're so popular State side with it's grass roots beginnings.
@picov1945
6 ай бұрын
For people that say “oh, people didn’t complain that much when Vettel and Hamilton were dominant”, Vettel won in 2 of the greatest overall seasons of all time and Hamilton even lost a championship, and when he won, there were at least some forms of competition for first. In the case of verstappen, there won’t be ANY hope of a new champion in 4 more years
@frozenuruguayball6436
6 ай бұрын
This current max era domination is more like the Schumacher Era
@SimoneMX950
6 ай бұрын
Not only that. Look apso at the new circuits that are about to join in the foreseeable future, maybe putting historic and legendary circuits like Spa Francorchamps on the chopping block. The reality is, even in Europe a lot of people are getting tired of the mighty dollar chase that Liberty Media had launched. As for the track product well, nothing new really.
@ghostfacekillah9275
6 ай бұрын
@@frozenuruguayball6436 even at Schumacher's Ferrari domination he had strong competition from Kimi at McLaren and Juan Pablo Montoya at Williams
@mariner_
6 ай бұрын
Forget a new champion, there's barely any hope of a different winner
@francisdawson4092
6 ай бұрын
I remember there being quite a bit of vitriol towards Vettel and Hamilton back in their respective eras of dominance. But, I've checked out of F1 recently so maybe I'm just not seeing the Verstappen hate apart from the "Verstappen winning is boring" sentiments.
@inha1ed
6 ай бұрын
Only reason I watch F1 nowadays is because of Alonso. When he retires, theres not gonna be anything there to keep me watching. It's a shame Andretti wasn't allowed to race because they might have made the sport more interesting and thats all the contribution the sport needs right now.
@PG2248CoasterNews
6 ай бұрын
It's time we as Americans stop watching F1 or consuming F1 media
@mylesiswhite4122
6 ай бұрын
I can live with americans pronouncing grand prix how they do, but that carlos sainz pronunciation killed me.
@thorinhanson1181
6 ай бұрын
I've been an F1 fan for a long time, but rejecting Andretti and price gouging has made me follow NASCAR instead.
@Dark-ql7kn
2 ай бұрын
How has the bat shit crazy ride that is NASCAR going 🙂
@thorinhanson1181
2 ай бұрын
@@Dark-ql7kn still bat shit crazy
@nickklavdianos5136
6 ай бұрын
I got pissed of about Andretti big time too, but think about it, the European institution, FIA, gave Andretti the green light. The American ownership, Liberty media, was the one who shut him down. Also, why do you "have" to have an American driver? The others aren't good enough? Even between the Indycar drivers, I'd get Palou over Herta any day of the week, because he's proven again and again to be superior. The problems F1 has aren't 'no American drivers' or 'no American teams' The problems are: Andretti should have been able to enter. By all measures of competitive integrity and fairness, he should have been allowed in. He ticked all the boxes. Too many street races. They keep ditching purpose built tracks for street circuits, that usually don't improve the racing. 3-4 street tracks is all we need. Some racetracks flat out don't deserve to be on the calendar. Miami is probably the worst offender in this. It is the most forgettable, bland piece of tarmac I've ever seen racing take place at. We'd all be much happier it was ditched from the calendar, or if we went to a proper racetrack like Road America instead. And to the people who cry about the racing.....please stop. This isn't a spec series like NASCAR or Indycar. At least 70% of the competition in F1 is the arms race about who will build the best car. It pushes innovation instead of stopping it, like NASCAR does. The biproduct is that the cars are less closely matched, and Max Verstappen wins every race by 20 seconds because Adrian Newey is an aero wizard who got things right early on and stubbornly refuses to be outdeveloped by others.
@taylortnt1175
6 ай бұрын
Complaining about the racing is justified there's no reason for it to be this hard for teams with similar budgets to compete with whose out in front getting GAPPED by 20 seconds for 2 seasons in a row shouldn't be possible and F1 doesn't help balance it out that is incredibly bad I don't blame NASCAR or Indycar for going the spec route who gives af about competition when you can throw money at your problems
@nickklavdianos5136
6 ай бұрын
@@taylortnt1175if you wish to blame someone for the bad racing, don't blame the rules. Blame the engineers at all teams but RedBull, who got caught with their pants down by Newey, and now can't catch back up. What should F1 do? Reward the teams that failed to make a fast car by trying to nerf RedBull? And if that happens, isn't it unfair to RedBull to get nerfed just because the others f*ed up their designs?
@isthatrubble
6 ай бұрын
I would agree with your last paragraph except that it's not really an arms race right now, is it? red bull are ahead by a mile. I don't think they should be "punished" for making the best car, I can just admit it kills a lot of the excitement
@FonchiCampomar
6 ай бұрын
As an F1 fan, it makes me very sad that Andretti is not permited entry when Haas, Sauber (Not that Stake/Kick BS), The Red Bull Jr Team, and Alpine are burning cash on underperformance
@sdx3918
6 ай бұрын
At least with how things are going in f1 people are beginning to give other motorsport leagues a chance. I've seen more people talking about WEC and IMSA for their diverse grids, NASCAR for their epic finishes, Indycar and FE being solid alternatives to F1 and WRC for their unbelievable drivers.
@RBSPN_
6 ай бұрын
Perfect timing
@tangydiesel1886
6 ай бұрын
From slapshoe's dam of legitimacy video: "is this guy on drugs or something" about Brian France. I wonder if it's the same about the leaders of legacy or f1 that addiction is affecting their decisions.
@tfkrazvan
6 ай бұрын
Every time Max has issues its an really interesting race. WEC, IMSA, Indycar,and F2 are much better this year.
@FabrizioAdrianoVicunaRosado
6 ай бұрын
and nascar
@Mclarenboy100
6 ай бұрын
F1 fan since 2004. Or rather, WAS an F1 fan since 2004. The elitism behind F1 has disillusioned me, since 2021, from a sport that I dreamed of competing in when I was a kid. The fact that if you aren't groomed from young in a driver academy, you need to pay MILLIONS to even have a *shot* at getting a drive. They race in places that have horrific human rights records (this stems back to their founding in the 50's btw, having raced in Francoist Spain). Actively denying teams a spot, including those backed by *former F1 champions* all for the sake of keeping more money to fewer teams ruins any sense of competition. There's much more down the elitism rabbit hole you can go if you want to talk about F1 & its relation to it. The way it restricts competition, fresh talent, new teams and price points for fans, which would _actually_ create a product F1 fans would stick around for, has ruined the sport.
@flareog134
6 ай бұрын
this is the moment ellyproductions became s1apsh0es
@freekvoorwinden576
5 ай бұрын
Dutchman here. -Andretti not being allowed to enter is a bloody shame. -F1 has, according to whoever didn't like things like the above happening, been dying since I started watching it, way back in 1994. -Domination by a single team and/or driver for seasons on end has been the "normal" for that past 3 decades, not the exception. After all these decades of hearing people stating F1 surely will face a huge decline because of *fill in something the "true fans" don't like* F1 is worth 20 billion. With a "B" Will this be the time they have really pushed it to far? Maybe. But I doubt it. One thing I will agree with: What surely has declined is the quality of the fanbase worldwide. From true lovers of motorsport back in the eighties to douchebag hooligans nowadays.
@terryridner
6 ай бұрын
Forget F1. It's just an expensive parade.
@sckat5602
6 ай бұрын
@ACougarSwagnumyes now look at kimi. jenson button. both failed, but admitted to having an enjoyable experience in such a difficult racing experience nascar has been. now look at SVG now, struggling horribly on these ovals, as if oval is such a different skill that others have a hard time in.
@nhtheintrovert5679
6 ай бұрын
Circus*
@senseandsustainability8178
4 ай бұрын
Dude... F1 doesn't NEED the US. It's literally the most watched sport in the world. Capturing the US market is just Liberty's ambition to enhance the valuation of its investment. I honestly couldn't care less whether Liberty makes money! It's fair enough to criticise F1, not exactly the most transparent sports organisation and yes, prices are crazy, but to say they're going to ruin is a bit over the top.
@Ericnorify
6 ай бұрын
Difference is that no-one ever cared about nascar outside of the us.
@kingkoopa64
6 ай бұрын
Nascar and f1 are like tf2 and csgo. Nascar is usually see as this casual, simple to understand sport that have calm, wild, and humorous drivers in its life, like tf2 it was never talk alot in a competitive way and usually is seen as a fun way to kill some time. F1 is like csgo, its the high class racing series of motorsports, the elite esport of racing, with competitive drivers and fans everywhere, and if you dare to make fun of them or even make a joke they will tear you apart bit by bit.
@barkyonyx962
6 ай бұрын
very interesting comparison ngl sounded like something straight outta my imaginations
@Arceusmemesidk-zk7tm
5 ай бұрын
Holy shit this makes so much sense
@zexalcommander7036
5 ай бұрын
As an American F1 fan, who's come to appreciate other series especially IndyCar and NASCAR, it irritates me to no end that they are gatekeeping Andretti from joining the grid any time in the near future. Assuming they don't agree to a new Concorde Agreement that straight-up says "nah, 10 teams is good. Go play with your own ball." You're telling me that Andretti, ANDRETTI, a name that lives and breathes racing and can compete in any series it touches doesn't add value yet a team like Haas, an "American" team whose owner doesn't want to foot a single penny towards developing his team, does?? I can forgive Sauber's current existence, it's earned its spot by former pedigree and Audi will be coming in to hopefully bring up its competitiveness. I can forgive Visa Cha-Ching Rhubarb for being a sellout and second fiddle to Verstappen Inc because if they didn't exist, we wouldnt have the talented drivers that came through their seats. Just wish they at least went back to Toro Rosso, hell i'd settle for Visa CashApp Toro Rosso, it sounds better than "RB", n-no not that RB, the other RB. Oh and meanwhile, IndyCar is being "Prema, you want in, you say? Hell yeah, welcome aboard! We'll have to make some room in the pits, but yeah come on down!"
@Wareh_31
5 ай бұрын
ill never understand why tickets in the us are very expensive, when i went to the qatar gp, t3 grandstand ticket was 250 euros
@DeFens1993
6 ай бұрын
The WEC is looking more and more like it's going to be my premiere motorsport this year, F1 has made a mockery of itself in such a short time it's insane.
@Standby4titan
6 ай бұрын
Liberty media rejecting andretti is absolutely outrageous. The las Vegas (and Miami) Gp is bullshit. But the FIA not making an exemption for a not even top indycar driver is warranted in my eyes. If he had done better in indycar he could have had enough points. F1 as in liberty media wants everyone's money not just the US. If they cared about the sport we would still race in Hockenheim and sepang.
@nickklavdianos5136
6 ай бұрын
Pretty much all F1 fans hate liberty media. The moment he took charge and started making terrible decision after terrible decision, Domenicalli became public enemy number one for the fanbase.
@kyazoo
6 ай бұрын
I got into F1 after the 2021 season because I thought, “oh wow! so much parity now that somebody other than lewis has won a championship.” Boy was I ever wrong. As you said in an earlier video, I hate opening Twitter every weekend and seeing WINNER: VERSTAPPEN in my feed. It’s a shame. I don’t even dislike Max I just want some actual competition
@BiggieTrismegistus
6 ай бұрын
Watch IndyCar, F2 and F3 if you want a competitive open wheel series.
@isthatrubble
6 ай бұрын
@@BiggieTrismegistus there's more to being a fan than just wanting to watch competitive racing, people get attached to drivers and teams. we want the racing series with our favourite drivers and teams in it to be competitive!
@CJODell12
6 ай бұрын
Only 3 of the 22 F1 races were won by drivers other than Verstappen in 2023.
@kyazoo
6 ай бұрын
I love Indycar. Been watching it almost all my life
@frevazz3364
6 ай бұрын
@ACougarSwagnumcan you be any more elitism with this comment? Jimmie Johnson was well past his prime when he went to Indycar, his skills had already been diminished in his last NASCAR years. SVG is an amazing talent but man he got the best absolute opportunity for him in that Chicago race (new track, 1st series street course).
@somerandoonline5852
6 ай бұрын
ironically if people start getting disgusted at the fact that Max is a domination machine will start pissing off people enough to get bored of viewing F1. That shear domination will possibly lead to less views which would mean all of F1 would start losing money. That is an interesting possibility
@monxx15
5 ай бұрын
Some pointers: 1. You’re criticizing Haas for being mediocre and using Andretti’s success in other motorsports as a reason why they would be better than Haas on the F1 grid BUT you forget that Haas was and is a decorated team in other motorsports yet that didnt translate into F1. So your argument is invalid. 2. The Superlicense points system is pretty solid. Btw you somehow dismiss the fact that even the worst of the so called “pay-drivers” made the 40 points needed to get the Superlicense. It also makes a lot of sense that the categories closer linked to F1 would give out more points towards a Superlicense. 3. Last but not least. F1 was the biggest motorsport by far even long before it ever became popular in the US. Youre talking about the consequences of F1 losing US popularity as if it would be the end for F1. But it really wouldnt. Most og F1 fans dont even like the US tracks apart from Austin. Las Vegas is another shitty street track and dont even get me started on Miami. Even in its hay day Nascar wasnt even close in popularity to F1 and it was only popular in the US so of course a hit in US popularity would be a big deal for Nascar. But youre comparing apples to oranges
@nad0x99
5 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@elliot20
5 ай бұрын
I think he’s trying to point out how the best drivers in the world can be denied a super license while performing better than someone who got a license for being pretty good in f2
@backseatbroadcasting2356
6 ай бұрын
This has been needed to be said in this format. Thank you
@johnjohnson9658
6 ай бұрын
North America should give the middle finger to Liberty and F1 by forgetting their elite club and restoring the CANAM super series giving a format that excites fans and builders alike where the only restriction is 4 wheels. Wacky racers utilizing all the latest technologies and powerplants from diesel to Electric to Hydrogen. As a kid growing up with the CANAM series I miss the excitement and competition. We dont need boring F1 cars that are all the same we want diversity and no restrictions to drive innovation and design to new levels surpassing F1 cars !
@beedyboy1395
5 ай бұрын
“F1 has no interest in us drivers” WHATS UP AMERICA LETS BRING THAT ENERGY 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🦅🦅🦅🦅💥💥💥💥
@SJ-op2ye
6 ай бұрын
but andretti was declined by liberty not the fia
@benn87
6 ай бұрын
I've given up trying to explain to people the difference between Liberty Media, FOM and FIA. It's hopeless...
@shadzgohan2.0
6 ай бұрын
*and y'all thought Hamilton dominating F1 was boring...*
@EngineeredInsanity_
6 ай бұрын
As a long time American F1 fan this is not as big of a deal as you think it is. F1 has always gone through periods of dominance and hasn't always made decisions that the fan base likes. I don't agree with the rejection of Andretti, but it was always going to happen. F1 teams have struggled for decades to achieve profitability. However, with the recent success of F1, the implementation of the cost cap, and new prize money distribution even the smallest teams are. F1 rejected Andretti because the teams voted to, because they believe that splitting the money 11 ways instead of 10 will cost them more than the value that Andretti will bring in. This could compromise the profitability and therefore security of the smaller teams. As for Herta all he had to do was finish higher to get an opportunity. Stroll and Latifi aren't that good, but they did prove themselves capable in lower categories. Mazepin was terrible, but he was only brought in because Hass was going bankrupt and the same could be said for Latifi frankly. But surprise surprise when the cost cap was brought in and F1 teams became more profitable Latifi and Mazepin disappeared. If you want to get rid of pay drivers then the smallest teams need to remain financially secure. F1 isn't perfect, but it certainly isn't out to get Americans.
@EngineeredInsanity_
6 ай бұрын
Also Liberty Media is just the commercial rights holder they didn't vote to reject Andretti, FOM did, which is a group made up of the teams. FOM has been in a feud with the FIA over control of the series over the last few years hence the difference in decisions by the two groups.
@EngineeredInsanity_
6 ай бұрын
Also F1 doesn't look like DTS or like the 2021 season (usually) which seems to frustrate a lot of people. DTS is a dramatization and 2021 was a once in a decade season. The regular grind is much less exciting, but us long time fans still love it and get excited for every race. I hope that more fans, especially in the US can temper their expectations and learn to love F1 for what it is.
@poobird3606
6 ай бұрын
How can people that watch F1 say that NASCAR iS JuST tUrNinG LefT when there sport is the least entertaining thing to watch
@Kamik62
6 ай бұрын
We got 10 roadcources, Nascar does.
@protostnl6369
6 ай бұрын
Not to mention, the "Just turning left" insult doesn't have the same power as it used to have considering stuff like the road courses.
@Kamik62
6 ай бұрын
@@protostnl6369 yep
@delludyri8231
6 ай бұрын
F1 elitism is an issue and you didn’t even talk about elitist F1 fans, one of the most toxic and braindead fanbases ever
@delludyri8231
6 ай бұрын
@ACougarSwagnum 1. I am not American 2. I watch both Nascar and F1 very intently 3. Jimmie Johnson is a bad example since he has fallen off completely, not finding any success after his return to racing in Nascar 4. Most “circles” produce more interesting and exciting races than tracks like for example Abu Dhabi and current day Monaco 5. Calling Nascar bad because of “circles”, is like saying Boxing sucks because you can only punch, unlike UFC where you can do a lot more 6. Most importantly out of all of my points made here, what does your comment have to do with my original comment? All I said is that F1 elitists are toxic and braindead.
@ecardona53
6 ай бұрын
F1 and NASCAR, 2021: "okay guys next year we're going to introduce a new car that's supposed to promote parity!!" also F1: the same guy has won all but 11 races since then, usually by more than 10 seconds meanwhile NASCAR: 25... count em... 25 different drivers have won a race since then with plenty others coming close WE 👏 RUN 👏 THIS 👏 SHIT 👏
@Fbi_agent1662
3 ай бұрын
I like how people with little knowledge over a certain topic will believe anything a youtuber with a decently well edited video says even with no real evidence or logical reasoning.
@spiderfam5036
6 ай бұрын
babe wake up elly productions just posted
@UnleashthePhury
6 ай бұрын
There’s no such thing as a non-elitist Motorsport. No ordinary person has a spare car they only use to drive really fast on track.
@Sykeadelick
6 ай бұрын
An 11th team absolutely would bring value to the championship, especially if they keep the grid size at 20 cars.
@BiggieTrismegistus
6 ай бұрын
Especially when that team is named "Andretti" and backed by General Motors. Even Americans who have never seen a race associate the name "Andretti" with racing and GM is the largest automaker in the US. You can't ever convince me a combo between the two wouldn't bring in a ton of money.
@isthatrubble
6 ай бұрын
the grid size isn't 20, it's 24 or 26 (can't remember which). they just don't have enough teams right now to fill it.
@justaguy9681
6 ай бұрын
F1 makes many mistakes but keeping american engineering out of the pinnacle of motorsport is the smartest thing they can do
@johnmorris1009
6 ай бұрын
Liberty have been the downfall of F1. They've turned F1 into a show, rather than a sport. Even under Ecclestone, there was still a sporting aspect to it. Bring back crooked Bernie. At least he was a former team owner and from a racing background.
@avireks
5 ай бұрын
i dont get your point about this america thing. There are 3 races in the us, 1 driver from us and 1 team from the us!? Most of the teams are based in england, even around the same city. Its not like america is treated extra bad compared to other nations on the planet, i would even state the opposite, because of the potential $ to be earned.
@iamlato
6 ай бұрын
this video is about as exaggerated as drive to survive
@MotorSport33-f5u
6 ай бұрын
Hurt your feelings 😂😂
@BearlyBearrr
6 ай бұрын
They do have a American team and a driver. The issue is that they don't want a 11th team, neither FOM nor the teams wants another team to have a slice of the pie. The FIA wants andretti but liberty media doesn't. They are often arguing over it. The FIA btw makes the rules. How big the car's can be, how heavy they can be, what type of engines they can use, giving time penalties to drivers for unsportman behaviour ect. FOM the people who runs the f1 parts of Liberty media, they run the commercial bit. Which team can join, where to race, who can make a soap opera about f1 ect. Its nothing against America, its just noone wants to share the pie with someone else
@finnwilliams8404
6 ай бұрын
F1 has always been an elitist sport for rich boys. A sport more about money than actual competition. Americans are just experiencing it for the first time. Yall just need to figure it out and convert to MotoGP, or literally any other motorsport, you'll have a better time.
@slyguythreeonetwonine3172
6 ай бұрын
What F1 fans and Not American Motorsports fans don't understand is this: You aren't just competing against Nascar "2024". You are competing against THE ENTIRE HISTORY of Nascar. All of it. And not just Nascar. Indy as well. But even still, F1 is competing with it's own history. Most Motorsports fans in the states are old enough to remember what real motorsport, even in F1 looks like. And what we see when we look at modern F1 is nothing but a watered down imitation. If we wanted that, we'd just tune in to modern Nascar.... But we don't have to, we have *50 YEARS* of motorsport, superior motorsport, we can watch at the press of a finger. And that is a beast of a thing to compete with. It's your own shadow.
@maxb148
6 ай бұрын
Even as a Brit, F1 elitism is so annoying. I watch F1, WEC, IMSA, IndyCar and Nascar but the hate F1 fans give to other series thinking they can hate on everyone else because some of their drivers are the quickest open wheel drivers is so annoying. The fans hate on Nascar because it is "just turning left" but these are the same fans who have never even watched a Nascar race or know about Nascar outside of memes. I couldnt care less if fans dont like every series, but the least they could do is respect other series and if they dont watch a series, dont talk about it. F1 fans complain about DTS fans thinking they know everything about F1, but the same ones who complain basically do the same with other series. As mainly a Sportscar fan, the amount of F1 fans I have had to explain that Max and Alonso would find it hard to get onto the Le Mans grid in the next few years, when there were articles about them maybe wanting to do Le Mans is astonishing but they acted like just because they were big james they deserve a spot or that rules didnt apply to them. If anyone is wondering, currently Le Mans has 62 spots available. For next year WEC is moving to 40 cars which get automatic entry to WEC, there are 5 teams invited in Hypercar and LMGT3, and there are 15 spots held for LMP2 cars (atleast that is what it was this year). This leaves 2 spots open for extra cars. Assuming they both go to Hypercar (they both wouldnt be able to race in LMGT3 or LMP2 together due to lineup restrictions), the cars given priority for extra spaces would be teams with 1 car entries into WEC, those being Aston Martin, then maybe Cadillac and Isotta. Aston Martin and Cadillac will use their teams from IMSA, as thats what every other manufacturer is currently doing and they know the car, but for Max and Alonso to race they would need to get those seats which is unlikely because yes they are fast but they do not know the car (also for Alonso AMF1 has no involvementin the Hypercar program it is being run by Heart of Racing an Aston customer team in WEC and IMSA). And if they dont, the only other way is kicking out 2 full time drivers, and again they are big names and quick but kicking out 2 full time drivers is going to get some very bad publicity.
@Kamik62
6 ай бұрын
Tell them that Nascar has 10 roadcources combine with each series and they'll shut up.
@maxb148
6 ай бұрын
@Kamik62 I do, and I also tell them how Kimi did in 2011 when he first tried ovals in the Trucks and Nationwide series. Except it rarely actually works or they just never respond, some are just so stuck in their own little bubble they don't want to hear anything that disproves their opinion. Even if they watched a Nascar race they would just pick out the parts that fit their preconceived opinion and disregard everything else.
@Kamik62
6 ай бұрын
@@maxb148 yep
@Dat-Mudkip
6 ай бұрын
The only thing I agreed about in LM's assessment was that it seemed a little questionable for Andretti to enter in 2025 when the regulations are going to be completely overhauled in 2026. If they had simply said "We want you to wait until 2026 because there's no point in wasting time and money on a car that'll last you one year", I would have been fine with that. But they just said no outright. Nevermind all these questionable sponsors (T-Minus, Rich Energy), dubious locations (racing in _multiple_ countries where basic human rights are optional), and sketchy decisions (sausage curbs, sending tractors onto active racetracks in torrential rain) - these are all fine. But if we let Andretti in... well that would just be a disgrace to the entire sport!!
@Ochoduckie
6 ай бұрын
Yeah! Pay drivers are the worst thing and makes Formula 1 lose all its credibility!
@xavierjuno4572
6 ай бұрын
Well tbf, pay drivers have always been a part of motorsports (I mean it's really expensive even at the karting level) but at least in Nascar, most of the drivers have to build experience and clout before they ever reach the big leagues
@Ochoduckie
6 ай бұрын
And yet, Juan Pablo Montoya came to NASCAR from F1 and the only thing he did on an oval involved a jet dryer and a fireball.
@rb026
6 ай бұрын
Well as a french F1 fan we hate the way liberty media manages F1 as well
@ballydup6423
5 ай бұрын
you do realise that no one outside of america cares about nascar while F1 is worldwide right? not really a fair comparison at the end there
@ThomasCro
6 ай бұрын
I watched F1 for all of my life, and I just can't stomach DTS. Probably because I know all the manufactured drama, radio messages played at wrong times, it just irritates me more than being enjoyable.
@Alan_M00ch
6 ай бұрын
I, as a NASCAR fan, warned F1 fans about this on a comment I left on another video. Lo and behold, my warning is becoming true. and before any gives any gripes, yes, yes I *did* try to get into F1. But between the elitist attitude, they're treating of the USA and us Americans as cash cows, how our drivers are treated as the outsiders and how unwelcomed they are, the lack of on track action and how every race is more of a spectacle than an actual race, money chasing instead of going to nations that actually deserve to host a race, and how every race can be dominated by just one driver? I was driven away. I tried it. Multiple times. I hate F1. I hate the fact that I even KNOW F1. And unless they change for the better? I'm not gonna waste any more of my breath or my time on them.
@markopavic6259
6 ай бұрын
Some things to point out: 1. Pay drivers are nothing new, they have been in Motorsport since the beginning and today as you said to be a pay driver you gotta have a super license and it ain't easy to get 2. While super license has been around for quite some time now, the actual concept of accumulating SL points like today came in after Max came to F1 at 17 so that F1 teams dont get idea to start promoting everyone too early.(Simplified explanation). Before it was much easier to acquire it. 3. System is heavily biased towards FIA ladder for F1 which is actually quite expensive and series like F2 probably wouldn't survive on their own but because they are in the path of F1 and give huge amounts of points it's the easiest way. Best example is that the winner of W Series got 15 points which is beyond ridiculous 4. Las Vegas is a social media show-off for F1 5. Controversial opinion: Andretti rejection was right although for the wrong reasons. They rejected them because he want them to pay money for the loss of the value of the team which will go down for a lot of teams with Andretti in. Also Haas won't let that happen ever because if Andretti gets into F1 they're done, sponsors will flock to them. So the reason was mostly personal and selfish. But it is the right decision, Andretti wanted to come in the last year of old regulations which makes no sense then make a new car next year using Renault engines, until Cadillac comes, realistically they would be back markers. Saying that they routinely win in Indy-car is simply not true(2 wins last year) and they are not close to Penske or CGR. Also Formula E might seem like Andretti won but due to the rules in FE and cooperation between Porsche and Andretti it is basically a Porsche 98%. I don't see it that they can bring anything to the table but I too don't like the gatekeeping but American money requires American franchise ways I guess 7. Deep pockets always ruled F1, now it's great to be honest. P.S. While I get the Herta hype and like him myself, if the talent and results decided who gets into F1 he still wouldn't be there
@djn3kkid
6 ай бұрын
Last year's have had many American drivers? Cheko is American? Lance stroll is American? Nick Latifi is American? North American even! Go further back, and you have had Pastor Maldonardo, Felipe Massa, Rubens Barichello, crashgateboy in 2008, etc, but they might not count, as they are pesky South Americans...?
@ianfan1420
5 ай бұрын
He meant American as in from the United States of America.
@gchampi2
6 ай бұрын
Something to remember - outside of North America, Andretti is not a big deal. Sure, Mario won the championship 40-odd years ago, but Michael? He turned up, crashed repeatedly, and left before the end of the season. The Andretti Team? A mid-tier Indy team, who last won a championship over a decade ago. Andretti in other forms of motorsport? No-one cares... It may not be the popular view in the US, but in the light of my previous paragraph, Liberty's decision makes sense. A lot can happen in 3 years, so there was no guarantee that GM/Cadillac would ever turn up, and if they did turn up, there was no guarantee of competitiveness. Michael has already demonstrated an unwillingness to commit to F1 in his driving career, so Liberty are bound to question his commitment as a team owner. And the Andretti Team has not produced results that would raise eyebrows for years in Indycar, so why would Liberty let another team in? Just for numbers? For that matter, why would the other TEAMS let a new team in..? As I see it, from the point-of-view of F1, Liberty's decision makes sense. And this isn't coming from an F1 fan - I gave up on the sport years ago, in favor of endurance, V8Supercars, and NASCAR (which is also turning into a joke). The nearest I've come to watching an F1 race in the last few years was the highlights of the 2021 final, with the Masi stitchup. Other'n that, the only F1 I've watched is crash compilations & historic doco's...
@DonderNashawk
6 ай бұрын
Just F1 things
@DL-nn1ws
6 ай бұрын
The current superlicense system has only been around since 2015, to prevent a Max Verstappen scenario of a 17 year old coming up into F1
@xavierjuno4572
6 ай бұрын
Ya but it's still a broken system tbh
@EelooYT
6 ай бұрын
For me NASCAR was always the sport I watched for good racing and F1 for entertainment, now F1 is still fun but their continuous ignoring of fans will catch up with them. A very telling thing is how every F1 youtuber is scared their videos might get taken down by F1 while NASCAR is actively encouraging content about the sport, very telling about F1's attitude towards their fans and their money
@xavierjuno4572
6 ай бұрын
Ya they basically see their fans as nothing but walking wallets
@MotorSport33-f5u
6 ай бұрын
Nascar is always willing to make KZitemrs grow the sport. Even in December when every KZitemr videos that's is Nascar related content got copyright claimed by KZitem but it's not Nascar that done it, it was KZitem thats copyright claiming for no reason when NASCAR them selfs says they want youtubers them selfs to promote the sport.
@xavierjuno4572
6 ай бұрын
@@MotorSport33-f5u Ya and even full races are allowed on the site, so long as they're more than 5 years old apparently
@EelooYT
6 ай бұрын
@@xavierjuno4572 NASCAR even posts every race in full to their KZitem channel about 3 days after for people that missed it
@Ricardo5911jakakak
6 ай бұрын
NASCAR is a national racing competition, outside of the USA very few people cared about it. F1 is and aways has been a world wide sport, the even if it is "falling out of grace" with the US that mostly doesnt matter because unlike NASCAR, formula one isnt restricted to a local audience
@Frozhiir
5 ай бұрын
as a european I really couldn't care less. Movies, media, politics. America is in everything. It's nice to not have to see Americans in the spotlight somewhere.
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