“I think, quite frankly, that the world simply does not care for the complicated girls, the ones who seem too dark, too deep, too vibrant, too opinionated, the ones who are so intriguing that new men fall in love with them every day, at every meal where there's a waiter, in every taxi and on every train they board, in any instance where someone can get to know them just a little bit, just enough to get completely gone. But most men in the end don't quite have the stomach for that much person.” ― Elizabeth Wurtzel, Bitch: In Praise of Difficult Women
@lauraanne5175
4 ай бұрын
Bitch was by far a better book than Prozac. Also there was a good one on being an adult. It was like 90 pages and pretty funny at times.
@melancholyman369
4 ай бұрын
True, because drama lowers our life expectancy.
@FirstmaninRome
4 ай бұрын
Bitch was somewhat better, I had a signed copy- loaned and lost it. My life is haunted by the line about men's power to manifest there crazy woman, sid will Find his Nancy, kurt his courtney, and Jason his Medea, no truer line Ever, I've only dated women with issues, my exwife was schizoeffective, and a half dozen other bipolars. I have asperger's myself, but Wurtzel probably made me Less afraid to go there, not sure if we should thank her for the that.
@FirstmaninRome
4 ай бұрын
I prefer depression novels written about by Serious lesbians like LIsa Alther's Other Women from 20 years before Wurtzel. With lots of existentialism and marxism.
@middleofnowhere1313
4 ай бұрын
I'm not so flamboyant as to attract that kind of notice. It would be a burden. However, once I've selected a man, then... Well you know the drill.
@paulinekeown2472
2 ай бұрын
As a therapist, I disagree that "the worst thing you can do for a depressed patient is be nice". I work with women struggling with addiction, trauma, and mental health issues, and oftentimes, I am the ONLY person that has been nice to them. This allows them to be vulnerable and open up -- let their walls down. Confrontation in therapy is not always appropriate, and I use it sparingly.
@looney-j6z
2 ай бұрын
ty! 100% true
@elizabethratcliffe3859
2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think it depends on the patient. Some need confrontation, others need gentleness same water that hardens the egg and all that yk?
@crinklescat1871
Ай бұрын
My therapist has a calm and reasonable demeanor. As does my psychiatrist. If either of them treated me unkindly or poorly I would honestly just get scared to report how I’m actually doing or feeling. It’s happened in the past where I had a psychiatrist who would not believe me and barked at me a lot. I didn’t know what was wrong with me and why I am the way I am. I ended up giving up and tried to exit life. Ironically I met my psychiatrist as a result of that. I was 29 and a few days away from 30. I’m 35 now. He was the first person who ever made me feel heard besides my husband. By that point I would get out of bed to go to work (at animal shelter) and by myself so i didn’t have to deal with people that often and when I did the animals helped. Then I’d barely eat, my poor husband made it a point to basically make me eat. And we tried so hard to find me help. I barely showered (I still hate showering but do a huge 2 hour self care shower session every Sunday and shower as needed between then and do skincare routine morning and night at least). Then I’d go back to lay down/try to sleep. But having someone stay calm and see how just apathetic at that point I was and listen and display kindness and empathy helped. Thank you for being kind. Most of us appreciate it depending on the situation and type of therapy. I’ve had my therapist be firm but not unkind. There’s a difference. We need more like you.
@ali-eve4279
Ай бұрын
Not all the time, in a rehab I've witnessed some people that needed a more tougher approach calling them out? To the point if uncomfortable, getting on there case as not to be easily manipulated. And it works...
@Kryonsmommy
Ай бұрын
@@crinklescat1871 psychiatrist are like teachers , not everyone of them should be in that profession.
@aliceglass4968
4 ай бұрын
I really liked prozac nation. a lot of people found her character annoying, but I found it painful, as I have experienced mental health. plus her relationship with her mother and father i feel contributes to how she is, at least in the film, and it kinda makes sense
@lauraanne5175
4 ай бұрын
Not to be rude, but I feel it is a slap in her face when you call the author a 'character'. It WAS her life, her story, read the book.
@kt-xq1sq
4 ай бұрын
@@lauraanne5175 i think the first commenter meant "character" as in her character as a person, her personality, not referring to the work as fiction
@aliceglass4968
4 ай бұрын
@@kt-xq1sq yeah I didn't mean anything personal by it at all. And really I was referring to people who watched the film and only knew her as the character
@Daydreamerr13
4 ай бұрын
@@lauraanne5175girl chill
@nataliaalfonso2662
4 ай бұрын
Mental health is good. Mental illness or bad mental health I what Liz wrote about.
@sleepysadpoet
4 ай бұрын
Romanticization of mental illness was bad on Tumblr in like 2012-2014. I vented about it a lot. But I often think about people on there and how they're doing now Wanting attention is not inherently bad. It's how it's sought out that can be seen problematic.
@FabulousSquidward
4 ай бұрын
But our society shames wanting attention and straight up asking for it so much that you can internalize that to the point you can only allow yourself to seek attention through maladaptive behavior
@lolducksxdxd
4 ай бұрын
I was there too.. the self h*rm/ed side of tumblr. When I first got into it, it helped keep me afloat throughout high school. Connecting with people with the same feelings as me was so comforting, though I was exposed to ways to harm myself that I probably wouldn’t have thought of. Towards the end of 2014 my mental health took a nose dive and I got hospitalized, spent over a year in and out of the ER/psych ward and trying to claw my way out of the deep hole I was in. That was around the time I stopped going on tumblr so much. When I finally got a job and established a routine, I was too busy to go online, and coincidentally got well enough to be self h*rm and hospitalization free. I kept up with a few of my online friends and they seem to be on a similar boat, with maybe 2 that are actually thriving.. I hope the rest of them are okay
@nununununu735
3 ай бұрын
I did the whole ED/self harm to Lana del rey lolita aesthetic/romantisation to becoming a drug addict pipeline lmao and I documented ALL of it on there. The 2010's were a truly wild time for a teenager to have unsupervised internet access. I'm pushing 30 now though and I'm alright now^^ But definitely the tumblr subcultures that I was in altered my brain chemistry forever and not in a good way lmao
@Aklaex
3 ай бұрын
I was in that community too along with ED, had so much followers and was surrounded by many who did the same thing. I think it did affect everyone’s mental health at the time, but I too hope everyone from back then are doing much better. I’m still on tumblr but back then was super bad, very toxic even.
@Hellakiddie
3 ай бұрын
I was there it was HARD and lonely but we come out on the other side, some of us. 😊
@saltiestsiren
4 ай бұрын
The reality is that mental illness DOES affect others besides the person who has it. It affects them negatively, more often than not. That's half of therapy, working on interpersonal stuff and reducing the ways your illness manipulates your behavior. I understand why people get defensive about this fact because the last thing you want is to burden others with the stuff that already burdens you. But that's what happens. Even as somebody who has depression I can't stand to be with other people with depression for too long. Especially when they are in the midst of an episode and I'm feeling somewhat alright. I feel bad avoiding them or cutting them off because that's what people do to me, and it hurts. That hurt is valid. But the other party has every right to protect their mental health by limiting their time with you. Antiheroines explained this well. Also, I think (movie) Elizabeth has BPD as well. As someone who has quiet BPD the portrayal of her character in the movie is a perfect picture. Depression usually coincides with BPD and some people have BP and BPD.
@lunacouer
4 ай бұрын
I relate and agree so much with this comment. People have comorbidities more often than not, and even if Elizabeth was never officially diagnosed with BPD, she definitely had a lot of the traits. BPD is hard because it's almost always the result of trauma, the person is in so much pain, yet it's the behaviors to prevent the pain that end up causing it.
@bluter-rd1zx
4 ай бұрын
100%. I have no idea what "quiet borderline" is but I have BPD and easily the most accurate portrayal of my experience with it was this movie. Christina Ricci was me in University.
@cozymoggele
3 ай бұрын
hey twin 🖤
@megan-mr9vk
3 ай бұрын
@@bluter-rd1zxhi friend! there is a theory around BPD basically saying that it presents itself in a few different ways. discouraged (quiet), impulsive, petulant, and self-destructive. if you have a BPD diagnosis, i highly recommend looking into it.
@jessicayuan9016
4 ай бұрын
people struggle to be allowed to have depression. This is a huge invisible cause of all forms of highly self destructive addiction. Thank you for making this video. Even for mental illness patients who are not as "priviledged" as Elizabeth, lots of the raw writings could be so relatable. Especially in nowdays every one could be accused of being previleged directly or indirectly by random people online and the internalized shame could be quietly built in a different way despite the "mental health being normalized". Excuse my English it's not my mother language.
@illiatiia
4 ай бұрын
Pretty profile picture 📸.
@natalierose1072
4 ай бұрын
I think she can be both tedious, exhausting and hysterical and also a girl in deep complicated pain. Her speaking from personal experience isnt a moral failing. Its just a choice she made to deal with her life.
@shannonceleste5557
4 ай бұрын
Aka she's a human being the same as all of us
@cherylmaden5989
3 ай бұрын
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you? Depression is NOT A CHOICE. Why would ANYONE choose to feel that way?
@dollishsilverdreams
2 ай бұрын
@@cherylmaden5989 Hey🤍 I think natalierose1072 did not mean the choice of “choosing a mental illness”, but more the choice of the way on how the author is coping with it, hence by telling her story and experiences (as mentioned). Hope that helped 🩶!!
@dollishsilverdreams
2 ай бұрын
@@cherylmaden5989Hey 🤍 I think, natalierose1072 did not mean the choice of “choosing a mental illness”, but more the choice of the way on how the author is coping with it, hence by telling her story and experiences (as mentioned). Hope this helped 🩶!
@atroxfortuna
Ай бұрын
@@cherylmaden5989they are referring to making the choice to write about her pain. Others choose other forms to cope. She chose writing.
@CheziahKatt
3 ай бұрын
Idk, as someone eith BPD.. hearing you describe her, im hearing all the bells of recognition of symptoms. Like that lack of a core of who you are, searching for meaning in external validation, the rage and self destruction...
@renoldojeffrey4653
3 ай бұрын
Yeah I agree
@sorryistari
Ай бұрын
When i watched it she gave textbook bpd symptoms instead of the typical cynical depression esp her impulsivity and dramatic highs & lows based on her relationships with her roommate/friends. I havent read the book so idk if it's different but i wish they stated how it was more of a movie abt someone with bpd than depression
@SpecialBlanket
Ай бұрын
Yep. Partner of someone w bpd here. Agree.
@charlag569
Ай бұрын
Lack of spirituality can lead to those symptoms as well.
@xoxnataiie
Ай бұрын
@@charlag569girl stfu ain’t nb gaf
@dyingbreed360
4 ай бұрын
Love that KZitem felt the need to censor NAMES OF MEDICATION.
@magzdilluh
4 ай бұрын
I've been reading her books since my adolescence and was heartbroken when she died. It only now occurs to me that this is the first time I've ever heard her speaking.
@acat674
3 ай бұрын
She fucking died?!?!? E: it was from breast cancer. I’m still sad but I would have been devastated if she had committed suicide
@NJGuy1973
2 ай бұрын
There's clips on KZitem of her on Politically Incorrect, and the Ruby Wax show.
@politecat4236
13 күн бұрын
I love 'Bitch' her collection of essays book!
@lastilnovista
4 ай бұрын
oh boy am i excited to watch this. Prozac Nation was my adolescent bible in the mid-late ‘90s.
@amynicholecervantes3065
4 ай бұрын
Ditto. I felt for the first time someone could put into words the battles I had within the confines of my very own mind. I am so sad that we lost a voice that defined a generation of sadness.
@lastilnovista
4 ай бұрын
@@amynicholecervantes3065 🌷🌷🌷
@crystalflores3866
4 ай бұрын
Also going to be a bit armchair psychologist right now lol (not seriously just hypothesizing) but there’s something to be said about our recent collective conversations surrounding trauma, specially regarding the familial bonds. I read Prozac nation in college and fully felt like my sole problem was depression/bipolar much like Elizabeth, and also had similar experiences with my family. As time has gone by I find that the ‘CPTSD’ label can be much more helpful to me rather than plainly depression. I wonder if Elizabeth was still with us or if the trauma aspect of mental health was more researched when she was in her 20s if that would have made more sense of things. Your parents going through a traumatic separation/volatile dynamic right in front of you is no joke! Regardless, label or no label her pain was completely justified. Thank you for a great video
@howareyou857
4 ай бұрын
Unless you experienced near death and suffer flashbacks its unlikely to be C-PTSD
@madd7e
4 ай бұрын
@@howareyou857ever heard of m0lestation
@RachLuvsParamore
3 ай бұрын
@@howareyou857 Incorrect. This is true for PTSD.- Complex PTSD is a slow building type of trauma which correlates to the same struggles as PSTD, but different method to getting there.
@howareyou857
3 ай бұрын
@@RachLuvsParamore nope. I am correct. Flashbacks ie reliving events are the hallmark of both single and complex PTSD. Reliving events differentiates PTSD from trauma. Experiencing death or near death or threat of death either third party or in person is the initial trigger. In the case of complex PTSD there are multiple life threatening events that have occured and the brain has been unable to move the experience into long term memory over a period of time. Hence flashbacks / reliving the life threatening events on a regular basis long after the initial events occured. Treatment focusses on enabling the brain to reprocess / file events into long term memory. Usually people from war torn countries or DV have C-PTSD. Recollection or memories of traumatic events are not flashbacks, eventhough those memories may be very distressing and life affecting. Flashbacks / reliving the event as if you are experiencing a life threatening event over and over is why PTSD is so unbearable to live with.
@howareyou857
3 ай бұрын
@@RachLuvsParamore I triage people who have experienced traumatic / life threatening events. I know the symptoms I am looking for so they receive the correct support and service. Most likely Elizabeth had EUPD due to unstable attachments in childhood. Depression, fear of abandonment and also no real self identity are indicators. Likelihood DBT might have been helpful. If she had witnessed DV or been a victim of DV herself I might well wonder about C-PTSD
@greatfairymija
4 ай бұрын
I have never related to something so deeply. I’ve struggled with my mental health since I was a child and sure there was some abuse in the house and my mother was terrible to me growing up but I hear of far worse stories. I have two parents together, played sports, things seemed normal but I always felt sad. Now I’m 26 and cannot stop the mental suffering or constant cycle of bad relationships. So glad I found this video I’m immediately watching this movie and reading this book. Sometimes when we suffer with our mental health all we need is for someone or something to understand us, I feel this book will do that for me. Thank you for your videos I love them sm!
@angelaholmes8888
4 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry that you have been struggling I hope things get better
@greatfairymija
3 ай бұрын
@@angelaholmes8888 thank you angela
@cherylmaden5989
3 ай бұрын
Just wanting to be heard, validated, is a HUMAN feeling. We all at one point or another feel this way
@bellareid3488
4 ай бұрын
Being a child of divorce is not the worst thing. Surviving a childhood with parents who SHOULD be divorced is much worse.
@foxywhitetip7387
3 ай бұрын
💯💯💯
@nicofelie
3 ай бұрын
It’s usually both
@sausagemahoney5410
3 ай бұрын
when your bio parents do divorce and then they remarry to someone just as bad 🔥🔥
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
3 ай бұрын
This isn't a competition in misery.
@dontpanicchild
3 ай бұрын
For real. It was always difficult for me as a teen when movies or books made a big deal out of parents who are divorced. Like, I fucking wish. I understand the struggles are different but better divorced than in an abusive household. As an adult I see how financially, it probably was easier with my parents being married. Still poor, but would've been poorer with them divorced
@OMGitsShrimp
4 ай бұрын
In someways Elizabeth reminds me of my mother, who is a narcissist. They're exactly the same but the vibes are painfully familiar. The only big difference is Elizabeth seems capable of self awareness, self reflection and has some level of empathy. I could see how some have said Elizabeth has some narcissistic tendencies, but I don't think she's clinically narcissistic. I think she was self centered and bluntly, radically honest, for better or worse.
@Myacckt
3 ай бұрын
Absolutely this. Are people not seeing this is text book narcissism wth
@wellesradio
4 ай бұрын
When she died I was saddened because I see that she was a sign of things to come, but also a tragic figure. Make no bones about it, when her books first came out I read them and thought, “This person embodies everything I hate” but somehow I couldn’t see her as a “bad” person, just a product of her time searching for her own agency, like all of us. But she still embodies so much I hate about America.
@NJGuy1973
4 ай бұрын
What did Elizabeth Wurtzel embody that you hate about America?
@mintjuleptea
3 ай бұрын
@@NJGuy1973 probably all the 'going to a psychiatrist' (shrink as they call it) and medicating everything - making everything into a disease or disorder to be medicated
@misstekhead
4 ай бұрын
I read Prozac Nation as a teen in the late nineties. I was genuinely suffering with depression and the beginnings of what became decades of substance abuse. I was a bit puzzled as it seemed almost as if she was bragging about being effed up. I recall one anecdote in the book where she discusses being in middle school, self harming whilst listening to the Velvet Underground. It comes off like she was trying to sound cool for being into such a less well-known band at such a young age. As someone whom genuinely struggled with mental illness and hospitalized multiple times for it, her writing creates a somewhat “poor, little rich girl” aura about her. She came from a more wealthy background than she wanted to admit to. She had opportunities that those of us who grew up in financially dire homes and abusive families would switch places with any day. I don’t want to downplay her pain just because of her background, but she came off a bit spoiled and the book was less relatable in general than I was led to believe. A better memoir of that time is “Wasted” which covers an eating disorder, drug use, and mental illness.
@jooloomcgoo
2 ай бұрын
Yes!! I came to say exactly this. As someone who suffered quite severely as a child and became homeless as a teen, there is little empathy I am able to give to a rich girl who wants to be seen as more disadvantaged. Unfortunately a lot of actually disadvantaged youth don’t get to pretend to be richer than they are. They can’t manifest a fancy house in a wealthy area in New York.
@cosmic-st4rdust
2 ай бұрын
I think you did just downplay it
@misstekhead
2 ай бұрын
@@cosmic-st4rdust You want me to downplay it some more? Have you read her other books? I’m not saying her pain isn’t legit. However, in a lot of her writing she comes off as a stereotypical, poor little rich girl. It sucks that she passed away in the manner she did. However back then, when I read the original book (before she did the re-edits) that’s how she came off. I’ll never say someone’s depression is worse than another’s. However, I’ve been locked up in so many county (where the poor paupers go) mental hospitals, that her memoir seems like 90s hipster BS.
@Partyhatpossum
Ай бұрын
@@cosmic-st4rdustno they didn’t downplay it, they contextualize it. The reality is someone who’s rich and has a disinterested parent and an overbearing parent is going to have different resources afforded to them than someone who is living in poverty and has both parents uninterested/working/abusive/etc. Traumas are not created equally, and to pretend they are is disingenuous at best and something we do to not come across as rude or mean. In reality it is more rude and mean to someone who grew up in an objectively more difficult environment to compare their struggles directly to some rich girl who didn’t struggle half as much.
@-Reagan
3 ай бұрын
Having a personality disorder doesn’t negate another diagnosis. There can be a comorbidity. Or a misdiagnosis. Particularly when it’s bipolar disorder and someone has been diagnosed at a young age. Sounds like it is. Assuming she’s a reliable narrator and historian for her own mental health history. You don’t have to be clinically diagnosed as NPD to have narcissistic traits and there are narcissistic tendencies for all Cluster B personality disorders. Someone who has BPD can be both extremely empathetic and narcissistic. You don’t need to be her personal doctor to see that there are clear behaviors and symptoms of personality disorder. For instance, showering love on her friends then ignoring their boundaries, often with blatant disrespect. Lack of internal validation, needing constant validation from her partners, talking about them in terms of how they benefit her treatment best, putting people on pedestals or treating them abusively, rejecting them altogether. The toxicity, insensitivity and inconsistency of relationships. She says it in a nutshell "No one ever gets over me, no one ever gives up on me. People disappear, sometimes for years but, they always come back. When they tell me they’re done, I’ve learned that when someone says, "I hate your guts" it’s just the beginning of the negotiations. They’ll be back. I’m impossible to let go."
@justiceflynn6297
4 ай бұрын
This video was lovely. I did not know Elizabeth died. Hopefully she had moments of peace and joy in her life. Elizabeth had great talent, she kept getting in her own way, but she did accomplish a lot, including being part of pop culture. 👏🏼👏🏽👏👏🏿
@CP-ke5pr
3 ай бұрын
She took up space. As a Black woman, I find her story refreshing and hope that we’re able to exist so unapologetically.
@KimiPetri
4 ай бұрын
I have all of her books!!! Thank you for this! 😊 I didn’t know she passed either. The world lost some of its vibrancy.
@christyamar
2 ай бұрын
True story, A friend who I met in theatre class at UH of manoa took me to NYC for my very first time in 2003. That's when I met Elizabeth in her apartment in the east village, I happen to have her book with me Prozac Nation (I just bought it that day). We talked and she knew i was an aspiring dancer she signed my book with a personal little memo. Her book got me through my depression and some hard time and that whole NYC trip was unreal. I also had Joy Division playing on mp3 from illegal napster downloads lol!!! Unforgettable!! Elizabeth was part of my journey and her death was felt. RIP to a legend!!
@misabelrodriguez1163
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the new video! I hope you can do one of Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn
@cosmicraccoon_
4 ай бұрын
Ugh, my favorite ❤
@Jesus_Greebus
4 ай бұрын
I love the book and the hbo limited series!!
@maggiephilson1667
4 ай бұрын
Yes! I love Sharp Objects and would love to her hear thoughts on the book and miniseries.
@happygucci5094
4 ай бұрын
Terrifying- Gillian Flynn novels are terrifying and real
@uschilou
4 ай бұрын
The movie turned me off of the book, but after this, i want to read it. Thank you! She was very intelligent, honest, and introspective. It's her honesty that draws me to her. And i like her relentless self absorption, because it allows her to write like this.
@missdenisebee
4 ай бұрын
I used to reread Prozac Nation & Marya Hornbacher’s Wasted over and over again as a teenager in the 90s. Incidentally, I had my own battles with mental illness later on, starting in my early 30s. Part of me wants to reread these books again now, in my 40s, to see if I’d see them differently now. I remember thinking depression was so dramatic and kind of glamorous back then…hahahaHA😭
@Beepboop6669
4 ай бұрын
Wasted is awesome. Truly a powerful book.
@amberg4049
4 ай бұрын
Marya Hornbacher is awesome. Wasted and also Madness are great books!
@Jilly_mr
4 ай бұрын
Omg same!!!! Inadvertently, have struggled with bulimia and bipolar my entire life. Those books, and this was before social media that we know it at today, made me feel at the very least validated and less alone. I loved them more for the writing at the time I read them, early teens, and now 32 33 in July, it was almost the blueprint to my own madness and a foreshadowing of what was to come.
@vanessaa7602
2 ай бұрын
Wasted is such a good book! Prozac Nation, not so much.
@audreycordeau9217
4 ай бұрын
People who says "Rich people can't have depression" doesn't know how depression works...
@saltiestsiren
4 ай бұрын
I think rich people can be prone to depression in a unique way, especially when they're in the public eye or at or near the top of a business. They become more than just their selves, and their selves never seem to be enough. It has to be their selves plus whatever has earned them their money, or whatever others are expecting from them, which is rarely a whole, imperfect human being. How do you manage to balance both things without losing yourself, losing sight of who you are and what you want out of life?
@caseyw.6550
4 ай бұрын
No one says that. Lol
@audreycordeau9217
4 ай бұрын
Depression is an illness where the brain chemical activity is debalanced by a lack of Dopamine, Serotonine and other hormons who regulate emotions. Could be caused by multiple factors. harsh moments of our life: grief, trauma, burnouts And could be a symptome of an other illness: like cancers or Alzheimer disease. Could also have an generic, Where some have an easier tedency of having one or multiple by their parents genes. For short, Anyone could experience it. Rich and Poor, Men and Women, Old and Young So ...No, Lots of Bills won't immunized you from it
@janel.8921
4 ай бұрын
Read Richard Corey. A poem about a handsome and rich man. It has a startling end.
@avroe1
4 ай бұрын
I work in his factory
@nono5664
3 ай бұрын
I loved this book. I had to take breaks from it as I had some mental breakdowns due to my depression while reading it. It was an amazing book and I know the feeling of emptiness and how it affects all aspects of your life.
@sarawawa8984
Ай бұрын
When I look back at my period of depression, I also see that I was extremely selfish during that time. It wasn’t purposeful or malicious, I just was so depressed and I’m so much pain that I had trouble seeing past my own pain to all the people around me. I’m still working on forgiving myself for that selfishness, for not seeing how much my depression was affecting everyone
@eyeromnium
4 ай бұрын
can i just say that i love your voice? it's so calming ❤
@BernicePanders
4 ай бұрын
No WAY, I was just looking for a video essay on her last night, she's my fav author!! I read all her books repeatedly as a teenager, and 'More, Now, Again' is my fav book... 💜🙏
@jenniewaits9076
4 ай бұрын
I feel like your content is specifically keyed to my interests and I’m obsessed
@annasophiiiiie
3 ай бұрын
i know right that is exactly how i feel about this channel
@JULRhiney
3 ай бұрын
There is NO WAY Ottessa Moshfegh did not heavily use P Nation as a reference for My Year of RnR the prose is almost from Elizabeth’s POV. I feel like no one talks about this maybe cuz people my age didn’t read Wurtzel? I just did and WOW
@thelovechildofautumn
Ай бұрын
I feel like both are depressed and show signs of bpd, so it feels the similar at times... Like I didn't exactly feel that the prose was the same, maybe because I read elizabeth's other two books before reading my year of rest and relaxation and in my mind she has this voice which cannot be replicated
@SevenUnwokenDreams
4 ай бұрын
Exceptionally well done. I watched the movie in my late teens (I have a different mental illness, but depression is part of it), and I found it cathartic. I always meant to read the book, but I haven't yet. However, this video has put it on the top of my 'to be read' list. I like where you talked about teens trying everything on, including mental illness. I began suffering from depression at the age of 10, shortly after 9/11, and in my teens I made friends with a girl who had such big emotions, that we bonded over figuring out what was wrong with us. I was obsessed with bringing out the "yellow" inside of me by getting better somehow (for a long time I thought love would cure me), and she was obsessed with the idea of having a mental illness. She never really grew out of that until she wound up actually having depression and anxiety in her late 20s and abusing ADHD medication she bought off a friend. I started to hate her, she really had a talent for making everything about her. But I know what it is to have a mental illness that makes it difficult for people to get along with you - I, too, am the crazy ex-girlfriend.
@moniquelacour4118
4 ай бұрын
I haven't finished the video, but I had to comment that when it got to 22.01 and after, thats true, simultaneously, for me, in Maya Angelou's book 'I know why the caged bird sings' I was thirteen, and in the book, she says after she was raped as a kid, to the best of my recollection, she wondered innocently why the world hadn't stopped? Or the ground beneath her. It was one of the first times a book passage had resonated so completely. It doesn't matter what should be. It matters what actually happened. And what that was like at the end of the day. Before our social brain kicks in and reprimand's us for what we ought to feel. The truth is we don't get to process without our conditioning framing everything really, for how it should be.
@RadioPsychicAstrologyByPepper
3 ай бұрын
Wow this comment is really underrated.
@moniquelacour4118
2 ай бұрын
I am a black woman. And you've listed some of my favorite write ups. But history is undeniable. There's a place for the bottom of the hiarchy. Regardless of skin color. I was speaking on the reality of mental illness and the fact that it's not considered (on mass) a disability. Quite contradictory at that.
@siggysooky2419
4 ай бұрын
You did a really great job putting this together! Really solid viewing experience, thank you!
@chandonkey-kong9744
4 ай бұрын
so glad you’re making a video on her i loveeee your channel
@aliendeathrocker
4 ай бұрын
Yes!! I've been waiting for so long for a deep dive on Elizabeth Wurtzel and I can't wait to hear your take on her and her work!
@n8dles
3 ай бұрын
I'm absolutely in love with your series about these women. I didn't know about most of them (i live in a different country) and was so happy to learn. Also, your narration and editing make it so engaging ❤
@louimmature
4 ай бұрын
first time a video essay made me cry
@kirstenlehman975
Ай бұрын
I have LOVED her since day one…. All her books, the movie, everything about her. Me and her have a connection due to our similar addiction history portrayed in More, Now, Again. She’s a genius, an amazing writer, and such a strong human being. It broke my heart when she passed 😢
@janinepenaherrera-m7x
4 ай бұрын
you covered this so well, my favorite book ever
@gabriellaberman
4 ай бұрын
I trust your opinions on movies so much that I watched this movie purely because you made a video on it, just so I could watch this. I watched Secretary recently and loved it. You truly have the best taste and make such great videos 💖
@antiheroines-you-love
3 ай бұрын
oh my, i think my taste is mediocre but thank you, don't blame me later though if you don't like some other movie i make a video on plz ahahah
@LifeImpurrfect
4 ай бұрын
I just finished reading the sample of the book for the title. Thanks! It's so engaging
@GraveyardShift-tl6ri
4 ай бұрын
babe wake up new antiheroines film analysis!
@dont-call-me-et-al
3 ай бұрын
i like her intention - writing how Prozac led her to a manic episode. yes, it's cliche now, but it wasn't always so. i'm bipolar 1, and prozac was one of the many SSRIs I was prescribed which eventually made me lose my mind. it's sick how medication can make you sicker, but it happens far too often in young women like myself.
@DaniCat99
3 ай бұрын
I disagree that her privilege doesn't mean she's suffering less; depression is hard for everyone but having means makes things significantly more bearable. For many people with depression economic hardship is a huge part of that so to say that her being well off has nothing to do with her amount of suffering i would disagree cause finances or the lack thereof can contribute significantly to mental health issues.. it's why homelessness goes hand in hand with mental illness and addiction etc
@HeyitsBri_
3 ай бұрын
They give you a 💊 to calm you down, a 💊 to keep you up, a 💊 to take the edge off, up the dose on the 💊 to put the edge back on, a 💊 to make you sleep, another 💊 to keep you asleep and then you start the day again. Everything is so micromanaged and involved so it’s hard to think you’re not the center of life and it’s a tragedy.
@El-up1ri
4 ай бұрын
So many words to medicalise lack of love.
@karawigley6231
4 ай бұрын
This brought back so many memories of my younger days. I loved her books.
@captnghosteyes
4 ай бұрын
I really resonated with Elizabeth Wurtzel because, of PROZAC NATION. And, continued loving her other book, MORE, NOW & AGAIN. Her entire literary career/aesthetic is a WHOLE VIBE! (Except the S/H, SXCIDE)
@Syntaxinsav
4 ай бұрын
On the flipside, I would love to see your take on Precious (Push). Most ppl talk about Mary, her mom bc she's the villian, but Precious was who I related to.
@genesis631
4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! I love Prozac Nation.
@tthewizard7667
Ай бұрын
yo she’s so real 😭
@timriley4543
3 ай бұрын
I use to have a college crush on Elizabeth. Even though she was a real mess, she was a smart, wicked, witty mess. And, Cute AF.
@m3ntyb
4 ай бұрын
I thought my MDD was all I was as well ... then found out I'm ASD ... and am forever changed. What was that nagging feeling all along? A neurological difference in functioning, incompatible with established society. It's truly sad to me now to think about how many ASD symptoms can look like mental illness, especially sensory sensitivity that often triggers emotional dysregulation, because it means it's stigma and understanding will still be far off from redemption.
@WhitneyDahlin
Ай бұрын
‼️ 36:00 im glad you brought this up! I think people are perfectly within their rights to romanticize ANY experience that they personally have. If they are suffering from a mental illness and they create art that tries to make their mental illness look beautiful. Why is that wrong? Why are they wrong to see beauty in places where others believe there should be no beauty. It's just getting really irritating that I see it all the time on the internet. That this artist is romanticizing this behavior or mental illness like theyre a bad person for making art of their experience. News flash mental illness isn't a virus. You can't catch it. Even if you desperately want to be mentally ill (and I would argue anyone who does actually already has a mental illness because that isn't normal) you cant give yourself one. You have to have the genetic markers ontop of a very specific environment. It's just really irritating to me.
@raleighsmalls4653
4 ай бұрын
Good writer but being rewarded and given attention made her keep that note going which made it more difficult for her to break out of that "character."
@politecat4236
13 күн бұрын
Prozac Nation is a classic and the sequel is excellent also. I love "Bitch" her collection book of essays and her articles for the Guardian online in her later years are moving as heck. RIP
@satanette8562
3 ай бұрын
Back in 2001 I was 16 when I read Prozac nation. Made so much sense to me. Shaped my effd up life x
@CN33449
2 ай бұрын
She was refreshing in a time when people didn't talk about depression and mental health. I had major clinical depression from my early twenties for years, still do. l was grateful that someone was actually talking about it, regardless of what critics think of her writing. Bitch is a great read of hers too.
@mari.art1999
4 ай бұрын
omgggg hell yeah!!! I've been reading her memoir for a year now ( I started it when I was in a really dark place and then I got over it and now I am halfway through the book reading in small increments cause sometimes this lady is a lot to deal with). I can't personally relate to most of what she write but I can totally understand where she's coming from.
@beverlyledbetter4906
4 ай бұрын
Christina Ricci looked very good in this movie!👍
@ahahangiee
4 ай бұрын
I think her book made me realize class disparity and our issues are not all equal
@moniquelacour4118
4 ай бұрын
Also, I'll say this, the typical questions are asked. If you are that awful, shouldn't a person have the right to leave? My little brother is autistic, schizophrenic, and is mildly retarded. I've witnessed everyone ask the same question of him my whole life in the midst of him struggling with not only autism, but depression and severe OCD. I've still experienced people say that hes doing things on purpose. THERE IS NO EXCUSE. What part of his consciousness and his rational mind was the reason. What is the cause? The questions are tepid and ignorant at best, and misleading at worst. The question is: Do people really believe that Mental illness isn't a grandiose, albeit understandable tantrum in reaction to the problems of living. The answer, despite our so called evolution in regards to Mental health is the latter. If we're being real.
@b12shotz
4 ай бұрын
This video was a beautiful tribute
@Rome274
Ай бұрын
I saw a lot of paraells with borderline personality disorder . I saw Prozac Nation then read her book which was riveting . She's a great writer.
@stephaniecody8031
3 ай бұрын
She is so aware of her lack of complication, this makes her complicated
@katieb4314
3 ай бұрын
She seemed very narcissistic but really honest.
@sylvia_1999
4 ай бұрын
Im so excited! One of my favourite books ❤
@epis8613
Ай бұрын
If this hits home but you're thankful it "wasn't as bad" for you, that was me for the first three decades of my life. Emotional neglect and abuse physically damages the child's brain and they deal with it for life. If you feel like there's something wrong in your ability to form and keep relationships, there are plenty of people in the same cptsd boat. It was that bad.
@exsosaythe4-hj5tm
3 ай бұрын
this relates to me in so many different ways but I'm raised by a single mom so much pressure
@cucumber-9
4 ай бұрын
I was so happy when i read prozac nation. Besides sylvia plath, i had not found pieces of literature that i truly related to, back then. I only wish i would’ve read it even earlier, like when i was 13. It was rough. ‘If only my life could be more like the movies. I want an angel to swoop down to me like he does to Jimmy Stewart in "It's a Wonderful Life" and talk me out of suicide.’
@mariawesley7583
4 ай бұрын
I had forgotten the therapist was played by Anne Heche.
@laurazaions
Ай бұрын
I kind of relate to her, I was a depressed child and became a depressed teen, I had this feeling that I didn’t have the right to be depressed, I feel like I only felt justified to be depressed when I was raped at the age of 15, and even then I had a phase of denial of what happened and blamed myself.., in truth it doesn’t matter what makes you hurt, if it does it is important, even with children dying of starvation, everyone has their share of pain and nobody can’t compare it.
@EEarle
3 ай бұрын
“Self absorption” characteristic of debilitating mental illness is what makes it a literal disability. It is the cruelest thing to call someone self absorbed for the pain they need acknowledged and resolved. That’s something you need to work on in your discussions of mental illness, to ensure a more progressive take.
@scarletsletter4466
3 ай бұрын
Self-involved is a more neutral term. But the fact remains that even though it’s often a symptom of mood disorders and not a personality flaw, it’s still a negative factor for the sufferer and the people around them. Additionally, behavioral techniques to reduce self-focus are helpful. So if we go too far in removing judgment for self-involvement, we risk interfering with treatment. For example, when you’ve got a depressed relative, it’s better if you can encourage them to get out of bed and help you cook a meal for the family (even if they barely do anything) than to fix them a plate to eat in their room day after day while they ruminate.
@domeatown
4 ай бұрын
I feel sorry for the one guy. He was very clearly a very nice dude. I hope he found someone who treats him right. Im sure he did. For all her (very large) failings... It is a conversation that people werent having. All this stuff is newer than we remember. She is more like my awful exes than she is like me. But at least she said it out loud. Thats something money can't buy. Most people would rather suffer than call a spade a spade. Would rather watch in silence for decades rather than say "I can't treat you right; I dont know how." And she did. And thats honestly such a sensitive and wonderful gift.
@ShaunKang69
4 ай бұрын
More like a curse.
@courtney3540
4 ай бұрын
I can't wait to watch this.
@leslieroycroft3569
3 ай бұрын
This was my favorite book for a long time. I graduated high school the year this book came out.
@lisao2416
4 ай бұрын
Just an idea, but maybe you can make a video on chloe sevigny being the first true "it girl" ... I've seen this opinion here and there and it would be fun to unpack through her 90s persona and filmography
@Smartcookie7089
22 күн бұрын
Absolutely!!!
@janejane-tk3wx
4 ай бұрын
her books are a lot truly not for everyone
@a.d.8827
4 ай бұрын
Please make a video on ottessa moshfegh I'm begging you
@OmniBui
4 ай бұрын
wow! another stellar vid! you really analyze the feminine chaos in art really well. it's challenging for most since it requires a lot of the viewer/ reader to understand, and open up to, but you elucidate on the works deftly. 37:50 oof that quote with a pic of Anne Sexton is brutal. i mean it's great as a creative choice given Sexton's complex legacy, but the subtlety screams beyond the screen. i gotta pick up her books. these quotes are incredible!
@horeacore
4 ай бұрын
this movie was my frances ha, lost in translation, ladybird, for something taht is so multidimensional aka depression, also something very hard to capture, i think this movie did a great job
@g7924
4 ай бұрын
Maybe one day I can see myself reflected in one of these characters. Maybe one day I’ll be given the humanity to be one of these characters.
@jazzy4cool
4 ай бұрын
Y wuld u want to actively be in despair 🤨
@shikarinami
4 ай бұрын
I (think I) know what you mean. Hearing other people describe their experiences with depression when you're also someone who struggles with depression but it comes off as so alien to you that you can't help but wonder what the actual f*ck is wrong with yourself.
@thegoblinspeaks
2 ай бұрын
she is just like me for fucking reeeeeeeeeal
@bobfurguson1721
4 ай бұрын
Feeling weirdly seen by her. Everything she said really connected with me. I have been battling depression since I was 8 and I don't like it very much anymore.
@annasophiiiiie
3 ай бұрын
I love your videos so much!! I just wanted to say: for the past months you've been my favorite account on youtube. Your opinions and analyses are always in depth, interesting, and most of all: unique! I can sense certain influences, but it's so refreshing to actually hear a nuanced opinion instead of the same girlblogger tumblr or radfem stuff I usually hear when it comes to the topics you talk about. I've watched all of your videos so far, some twice, because they are all very entertaining and leave me with a lot of food for thought! Also, I shouldn't say watched, because most of them I've converted to my mp3 and I've listened to like a podcast, since they are just as entertaining without video! Right now I'm studying for an exam, and I opened youtube to find an explanation-video on recursive formulas (yaaaaawn I'm getting off track here) and saw this video of yours recommended (apparently I missed it 3 weeks ago). I realized how excited I was about it and I just placed it in my watch later list as a little treat for when I finish my last exam tomorrow! All I want to say is: I hope you don't stop making videos! I've never been so excited about a youtube account, and your videos are one of a kind because they are the only ones I've come across so far that I can listen to even when tired/bored, but simultaneously are also not making me feel like my brain is literally rotting because I'm watching 4-second attention span-decreasing ungodly cocomelon-esque videos. Instead, I always feel like I am learning new things, and new perspectives. Also it makes me feel more free in being a woman somehow? Like discovering different intriguing (jesus I hope I fucking spelled this right) parts of womanhood? But that may be me reading into it and that's a whole different story. Anyway to conclude the near research essay this comment has become thank you for your videos you have a sick accent and voice and are super cool! + Also apologies if this has spelling or grammar mistakes I'm from Europa 🕺🕺
@antiheroines-you-love
3 ай бұрын
Your comment made my day, thank you
@Duckykittymoomoo
4 ай бұрын
Great video! Going to go watch Prozac nation now
@Summer-kb2dm
3 ай бұрын
I watched the whole video. good job, you kept my short attention span, on a subject I thought would bore me.
@lynn99anna
3 ай бұрын
One of my favorite authors! ❤️
@honeybunch5765
Ай бұрын
She looks like her dad. How did nobody figure it out earlier?
@AliNo-r3n
3 ай бұрын
I identified with her in this book so much ❤
@Stsh1010
3 ай бұрын
Hi. I love your videos. Please please please make a video about Nymphomaniac (2013). I think this is just the kind of material your protagonists are experiencing
@briansmarcelo
2 ай бұрын
Bro, she sounds so BPD. Like everything you're describing about her are literally borderline symptoms Note: i have bpd
@AngDevigne
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video.
@LLace
Ай бұрын
Loved this book . A classic .
@miltonwaddams2564
3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your overview of this obviously iconic female writer. I enjoyed your balanced and fair perspective concerning the author and her body of work. Subscribing
@samscosmos
3 ай бұрын
As a german I think this woman doesn't know how to pronounce her own name 😶🌫️
@crystalflores3866
4 ай бұрын
Her book was everyyythiing to me in college
@natlenan6743
4 ай бұрын
I have not thought about this book in 20 years!! Wild
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