It's in f? Although it should be like a or b for endgame, f is wild
@Facelauss
Ай бұрын
@@Parallelocamnaw f is where it belongs
@SpiderReviver
Ай бұрын
@@Parallelocam what makes thunderlord particularly better than a regular LMG? It's good for ad clear but so is most LMGs or wolfpack rockets and atm ability spam is better ad clear than both (gm speedruns dominated by prismatic titan). Overload from the gun isn't great since it requires sustained fire.
@mosesslai
Ай бұрын
@@SpiderReviver no it only takes 1 shot to stun an overload for thunderlord
@Parallelocam
Ай бұрын
@@Facelauss that's absurd, when I was looking for a clear of wicked implement mission just before TFS dropped, nearly every single person (out of dozens) said thunderlord is the best choice. And it worked perfectly I fail to see how it's not an A or B tier weapon. Sure it's not ideal for boss dps but not everything in endgame is boss dps. It can stunlock certain bosses, has good ammo economy, handles overloads, etc. It's not an ideal pick. That's what s tier is for. But to say it's completely useless in endgame is factually incorrect. Unless the list is strictly for end-endgame, it definitely has a use. I'd rather take a thunderlord into a non-boss raid encounter than most things simply bc it can kill anything I throw at it from a really good range, without having to worry about ammo. I can get the argument for f tier in terms of damage output, but again, that's not encompassing of all endgame - only the bosses.
@paladindoesd2
Ай бұрын
I will never forgive bungie for what they did to QSS and Striga
@Neji1984
Ай бұрын
Usage rates were too high
@FK74396
Ай бұрын
I will cause while they were 2 of my favorite exotics during Lightfall, they felt almost too good at everything and made the rest of my loadout feel like wasted space
@paladindoesd2
Ай бұрын
@@FK74396 Sure striga was a little strong, but it got way overnerfed when it already was falling out of fashion. QSS was a good jack of all trades weapon, and now its just a mediocre auto
@thejusmar
Ай бұрын
@@FK74396brother In christ it's your loadout
@bonaelzee
Ай бұрын
@@Neji1984I always hated that they nerf items that most people use.
@themitry4811
Ай бұрын
A good word you and the optimization community could learn is a DnD term called "Action Economy". It basically describes how good something is relative to how fast or easy it is to use. This might be the "mystery factor" you have been referring to and is a real concept. Compounding effects that have impact without or with very little input, like arc conductor Ergo, explosions from Graviton/Sun shot, Khvostov bouncing bullets and Getaway artist "feel" better because their effects come into play faster than others, allowing you to do other things with your character instead of doing set-up. Hoping this term helps you rank stuff with more accuracy in the future! :D
@terribletimes902
Ай бұрын
It’s not really that nebulous at all. Sunshot has a very strong explosion effect on hit, which becomes ridiculous on kill. Graviton is effectively the same as any heavy burst legendary until you get a kill.
@Senriam
Ай бұрын
@@terribletimes902 yes, but defining it in phenomenological terms is far more tough a task.
@Shadoefeenicks
Ай бұрын
Definitely a more concise way to say "how ease-of-use relates to effectiveness."
@destroyerofidols
Ай бұрын
Action economy is a term outside of dnd also lol
@steveheist6426
Ай бұрын
It also helps touch on things like the difference between Eyes and Gjallarhorn. There's more "steps" in Eyes, so a worse Action Economy.
@w0wdonger896
Ай бұрын
Crazy how Ruinous Effigy is S tier, didn't expect that
@stealth6308
Ай бұрын
Bold of you to put mida multi tool in S tier, but I respect your reasoning
@fatjawns3671
Ай бұрын
This vs Castle’s tier list is night and day holy shit
@RoyaltonDrummer922
Ай бұрын
Who?
@tuck3771
Ай бұрын
Castle put Outbreak in B tier and Thunderlord above Ergo Sum lmaooo
@AzrealJ
Ай бұрын
@@tuck3771what’s his channels name?
@onek_1429
Ай бұрын
Castle content i think @@AzrealJ
@rigoFGC1
Ай бұрын
@@AzrealJcastle content
@never3nder
Ай бұрын
For GotD, I feel like Arby is throwing at this point; Microcosm will strip the boss shields pretty quickly (~0.5s), and then continue to do respectable damage after that.
@never3nder
Ай бұрын
Also just going through the video, Levi Breath is good for the intrinsic Unstop stagger, you can stunlock Persys (hard) in Spire, or the Ogre boss in Legend Onslaught, which removes most of the threat of the encounter
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah Micro isn't bad if you want to use it specifically for damage
@the-slunch
Ай бұрын
it's crazy how many people in the comments apparently blacked out when Aegis gave the definitions and reasonings for his tiers and then came down here to complain
@remember7671
Ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure they just skip to the end of the vid because they want to have the "best" exotic spoonfed to them, yet immediately complain when it's not what they thought
@gabemerritt3139
29 күн бұрын
Aegis was insane on release, but between power creep, double special nerfs, and exotic primary buffs, it is barely usable now.
@CaydoFox
Ай бұрын
LFGs gonna be on a booting spree after seeing this 🔥
@AttackBacon
Ай бұрын
A lot of people in here that need to re-listen to the Intro and explanation of the tiers. Regardless, here's my little gripe: I think Leviathan's Breath has a little bit of relevance in the GM column in that it can stagger-lock a lot of GM bosses. I think there's some use to that, although I get that we just kinda blow GMs out these days.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah I remember ATP stunlocking Kargen? I think his name was in the Insight Terminus GM
@joeyno137
Ай бұрын
I used it recently for a master lost sector did good damage boss damage as a back up and a range stun if needed
@MrLongshotbob
Ай бұрын
There was a change to one of the Ergo Sum's perks, curious how it will affect DPS numbers. "Fixed an issue where Ergo Sum's Sacred Flame Trait's effects counted as Primary weapon damage." Also, they're fixing WPR for Agg. frame swords, so happy.
@SpiderReviver
Ай бұрын
Basically no effect. Somebody in the science discord mentioned it might boost its damage versus frozen targets, but base numbers didn't change. Very weird fix from Bungie when it still doesn't get Transcendent Duelist buff.
@ethanrosenberg6570
Ай бұрын
@@SpiderReviver itll stop it from being able to proc special ammo finder, im guessing that was the main reason behind the fix
@jacobbruch7854
Ай бұрын
What does WPR mean?
@YashendraShuklaTheOG
Ай бұрын
@@jacobbruch7854 Wolfpack Rounds
@fjodorkaad4403
Ай бұрын
A note about arblast: Since the new -5 changes armlastige doesn't unconditionally oneshot the shields anymore
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah you need buffs to one-shot GotD shields now I think
@warv6552
Ай бұрын
I’m sorry but “armlastige” is a crazy typo 😭
@terribletimes902
Ай бұрын
@@warv6552definitely intended
@fjodorkaad4403
Ай бұрын
@@warv6552 Dutch autocorrect has a mind of its own
@aaron_ow
Ай бұрын
Final Warning must be the most underrated exotic currently. It has huge DPS, unravels on charged hit, you can shoot around corners and you don't even need to aim.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah it's a little underrated by some people I reckon
@Narfwak
Ай бұрын
microcosm should probably have a ! for speeds for dual destiny alone, the anti boss subjugator niche is a niche but it's so crazy at it that it needs at least some kind of footnote
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah I might make a note about subjugators should they become more prevalent
@TonyTheTiger-i6h
Ай бұрын
Good point.
@Gaffroninja
Ай бұрын
I would make the argument for Witherhoard sort of shifting it's focus towards passive transcendence building on higher health enemies which is quite a nice utility. Although I am absolutely biased WITHERHOARD ON TOP RAHHHHH
@Cqntemplate
Ай бұрын
DETERMINISTIC CHAOS REPRESENTATION WOOO (controlled demo makes it good for EASY dps on the witness, due to being able to tank his attacks, but probabaly not good when trying to maximize DPS)
@AverageDopamineEnjoyer
Ай бұрын
Bro it’s been 2 months and y’all still can’t dodge witness attacks
@imjlu
Ай бұрын
It 15% debuffs like div, has intrinsic anti-barrier, some volatile, and good ammo econ. The straight DPS sucks, but the utility is honestly pretty decent.
@Cqntemplate
Ай бұрын
@@imjlu using it and having controlled demo + well heals you JUST enough to survive the witness's attacks
@MoonDystopia
Ай бұрын
@@imjlu not really when prismatic has like a billion ability to continuously apply the same debuff without sacrificing your heavy and exotic slots...
@hvvnter
Ай бұрын
babe one of the only 3 good d2 youtubers posted
@GathClips
Ай бұрын
Who are you talking to
@Neji1984
Ай бұрын
@@GathClipspeople say dumb stuff hoping for likes Sad existence
@ኪጃና
Ай бұрын
@@Neji1984their comment made me smile urs made me frown… sumn for u to think abt 🫢💭
@bitingwinds9208
Ай бұрын
Who are the other 2? (Cross better be)
@fort809
Ай бұрын
@@bitingwinds9208Cross and Cammy
@matiasgaming4971
Ай бұрын
Me looking at my Lament that has been my main heavy ever since day 1 DSC: "Look at how they massacred my boy"
@korylester9769
Ай бұрын
I really feel like Rev 0 truly is the king when it comes to playing slowly. It’s not really how I prefer to play but if you need to I feel like it rewards good aim as well or better than any gun in the game. I like it a loooot in solo briarbinds builds especially. The bar fills slow but it’s also like the least annoying bar system imo
@Parallelocam
Ай бұрын
@@korylester9769 IMO no top slot primary exotic tops it. The secondary fire hits like a truck. Don't see a reason to ever need outbreak anymore
@whatsgoodearth
Ай бұрын
the four horseman of destiny is pve : aegis, pvp: cammy, lore: my name is byf, new and updates: aztecross.
@ForeverLaxx
Ай бұрын
Still makes me laugh that Byf is considered the "lore guru" for being the only guy stubborn enough to read all of Bungie's hack writing. Honestly, all he does is read lore entries.
@whoisthis4948
Ай бұрын
@@ForeverLaxx To say thats all he does is a very hot take
@ElMigol_
Ай бұрын
@@ForeverLaxx I don't think that's all he does but even if it was the case, so what? He's already doing something no one else is doing, with that alone he knows A LOT more than everyone else.
@ForeverLaxx
Ай бұрын
@@ElMigol_ He knows exactly as much as anyone else who reads the lore. The Destiny community is just exceptionally lazy.
@ElMigol_
Ай бұрын
@@ForeverLaxx Prove it.
@saladgaming4339
Ай бұрын
Deterministic chaos is pretty neat for lfgs at witness if you're running controlled demolition, the constant volatile procs keep your team reliably healed so beams aren't as big of a problem
@matts7651
Ай бұрын
Except it still requires a huge setup so it’s garbage
@saladgaming4339
Ай бұрын
@@matts7651 there's no setup it's just war rig + controlled demo + deterministic
@matts7651
Ай бұрын
@@saladgaming4339 I think I had a brain fart, what I mean to say is that there are so many other things you would run instead of this build that it’s not worth losing the damage. If your team is dying to witness attacks, just leave and find another team.
@saladgaming4339
Ай бұрын
@@matts7651 fair enough, it is a funny build though
@MrTimothydclark
Ай бұрын
On the Necro vs Khvostov, take the point that the splash is harder to activate, but don’t forget the Necro catalyst gives One for Thrall, and OFA tends to be strong in high health encounters. In the knights example very easy to spray all three and get the buff. I think it can refresh too unlike OFA.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah I really like the buff they gave Necro
@ehsper392
Ай бұрын
Extremely minor: Dead Man's Tale got more changes with TFS release that aren't reflected in the spreadsheet. Hipfire RPM is static (I think it's 150?) now and damage gets buffed instead of nerfed at 5 stacks.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Fixed! I skipped over some stuff since I wrote these all 2? seasons ago, so I appreciate you pointing that out.
@luk4aaaa
Ай бұрын
18:42 I agree so much. Eyes of Tomorrow is genuinely my favourite exotic in the whole game… if it was just a better weapon. I want to love it so much more but I can’t because it’s just so bad, locking on to targets and firing the barrage, seeing the rockets fly up and then rain down is so sick, but ultimately not as useful and one would hope. Also boss damage blows. I really hope this gun gets a catalyst or mini rework to make it relevant, it is one of if not the coolest designed guns Bungie has ever made.
@oak3279
Ай бұрын
Grav lance made Liminality GM a breeze with all the taken acolytes and consistent turnabout procs
@ZeeSips
Ай бұрын
The ammo economy of Buried Bloodline is way better than legendary rocker sidearms. You can get up to 80+ ammo
@denny8422
Ай бұрын
yeah man i can't really agree more on DB tbh. since we were all on Solar last season i forgot how many synergies are in that kit that supercharge the wep. now that I'm on Prismatic most of the time it never feels the same and it's almost never auto loaded, especially with everyone else's solar snipers taking ignitions 😭
@cbro79
Ай бұрын
Polaris was good for one season and I kinda miss it
@metallicwind
Ай бұрын
No Xenophage mention 😢 Honestly, I feel like Xeno should be D, at least for its ability to clap any yellowbar in the game instantly at super long range. It also has great ammo economy. Also, I like the noise it makes 😊
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Xeno's in C, just didn't change tiers this season
@metallicwind
Ай бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
@krakklover
6 күн бұрын
Very good list pepe man. Agree with most of them, my only complaints (as others have mentioned a thousand times) are that graviton should be at least at the same level as sunshot and maybe bump outbreak to b tier purely for the fact that it’s damage is higher than any other primary, allows you to run more ad clear oriented options for the heavy and special slot without missing on single target dmg.
@AutistiCat2406
Ай бұрын
I think the reason sunshot is so much better than graviton is because sunshot is a single hit, and has incredible stats The handling and reload are high making it consistent and being a hc it can hurt majors much better, since fodder will already crumple to an exotic primary Graviton can work, but its slower thanks to handling/reload, the burst is packed into 2nd shot so its a glorified hc, and it doesnt have the major killing potential Worth noting how important explosive payload is to sunshot, as it lets you handle non matching shields MUCH better
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah fair points
@Revadike
Ай бұрын
Dragon's breath may be somewhat lackluster compared to other weapons, but remember its still best in class DoT weapon.
@user-cf7dl8yl2g
Ай бұрын
So is this list for boss damage rotation? Day ones? And gm’s? Cause i feel like most of these don’t deserve to be so low😭, ima use what i want most things are viable. A build can level up a weapon and visa versa.
@SpiderReviver
Ай бұрын
Keep in mind this list is more oriented towards very elite endgame players. For majority of people outbreak is an insanely good gm option, but for elite players outbreak doesn't really add anything to the ability focused builds we see these days (3x prismatic titan, punchy hunter builds, 3x prismatic warlocks cycling Song of Flame, etc.). Similar arguments for most of the lower weapons, a weapon in E tier and some in F tier are still generally good options. They just don't quite fit this specific tier list.
@life-destiny1196
Ай бұрын
I'll defend Necrochasm in the context of Necrotic Grip/Spirit of Necrotic (I used it in TFS legendary campaign day 1 and it trivialized a lot), but that's also one specific niche thing that locks you out of other things. Likewise Buried Bloodline, it really opens up sustainability in subclasses that might otherwise struggle with it (it's a favorite of mine on Broodweaver in particular).
@jakubbercik6965
Ай бұрын
I would argue that Hierarchy of Needs is one of the best GM weapons depending on the GM, and ESPECIALLY on hunters with Orpheus Rig, the super gen you get is unmatchedm
@xanderbecker3017
Ай бұрын
I feel like vex mythoclast is so close to being amazing. My go to loadout this season has been lost signal and vex. It does great damage, has a great gimmick in the linear mode *(2 shoting champs for no ammo is huge in gms)*. However it lacks splash damage. My main issue is everytime I do well with vex, it's because my teammates are not slaying out with sunshot or graviton.
@Febo2310
Ай бұрын
Vex felt perfect last season with the artifact mod that made ignitions with precision kills while radiant, I miss it
@rogerorchestry
Ай бұрын
The time you put into sharing information like this is hugely appreciated and very helpful
@MoobieTheRat
Ай бұрын
They didnt do anything to Skyburner’s oath to make it better, but with the introduction of hellion you can have a build that causes ignitions so frequently and consistently that Skyburner becomes amazing and I think more people need to try it.
@freezingdart
Ай бұрын
Would you consider making tier lists/videos broadly on things that are kind of quirky/goofy/fun/strange? Things that would (almost) never enter a speedrun because it's suboptimal. This is kind of a broad subject but I think there's a lot of depth to it. Things like High Ground weapons (especially for the Witness), Gunpowder Gamble paired with Grapple (you can grapple it btw), Fighting Lion, etc. Perhaps not examined by what's best but rather the quirky/goofy/fun/strange kinda deal. Keep up the good content either way.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Maybe haha
@Parallelocam
Ай бұрын
@@freezingdart there's a lot more KZitem money to be made on an overall meta list vs just an endgame one imo. Most content creators complain there's nothing to make content about, but none of them make meta lists ever and it's constantly changing. Only aegis is doing it, the rest just give thoughts on guns as they release but never revise their reviews as things change The market is there and nobody has seemingly jumped on it. This spreadsheet was the closest I've ever found since the d1 beta. For such a popular game it's kind of crazy there's nothing like prydwen institute for the average player
@gabemerritt3139
29 күн бұрын
There isn't a single exotic weapon you would consider optimal for GMs?
@SpiderReviver
29 күн бұрын
Abilities like consecration titan, punch hunters, and some warlocks builds are extremely dominant in optimal gm meta. Gjallarhorn is still good since wolfpacks are insane ad clear and ceno is still pretty good, malf is still good for lucky pants, and outbreak is a very safe option. But pretty much nothing beats out 1 shotting champions with a single ability.
@gabemerritt3139
29 күн бұрын
@@SpiderReviver But all of those weapons are apparently uncommon? None are optimal? Is it just that no single weapon stands out as an obvious choice even though you want to be running one out of a half dozen or so?
@SpiderReviver
29 күн бұрын
@@gabemerritt3139 ya pretty much nothing is particularly standout. Gjally, malf, and outbreak are all obviously great weapons but not nearly as prevalent as weapons in previous weapons. People love outbreak for slower play for more methodical completions but it isn't quite as dominant for higher end players. Compare the height of stuff like arbalest meta, 3x ceno+rockets, 1 div+2 izi, etc. where those options were meta defining for every single gm. Exotic weapons don't shape gm meta quite as much these days (but they still are good, just not as singularly defining).
@Dynasty1818
19 күн бұрын
Depressing that almost every exotic is now "meh".
@NotKotori
Ай бұрын
thank you for rating thunderlord in the S tier!
@geargrinder6511
Ай бұрын
I've found Eyes of Tomorrow is lovely for GM content, but I absolutely understand where your mind is with the ranking, especially given the context of the absolute peak of players and their optimization. It's very much a "if you're struggling with certain adclear scenarios this weapon can help" kind of tool for that content, but the problem with that interpretation/usage is that it's essentially a crutch. I and my fireteams have put it to great use, especially when we had rookies to GM-level content in missions like Psi-Ops Cosmodrome, hailing the missiles into the sniper-vandals in the opening or down into the ads of the final boss to keep the area clear, but it was nothing another weapon couldn't have done with more finesse from its' user, either.
@PowerrewoP
Ай бұрын
remind aegis abt his titan herald gameplay day 1
@aquativity2907
Ай бұрын
what about it
@moreskuxx5400
Ай бұрын
@@aquativity2907 he sucks
@PowerrewoP
Ай бұрын
@@moreskuxx5400naw aegis is really good he just not a good titan lol
@moreskuxx5400
Ай бұрын
@@PowerrewoP yeah i know it was just hilarious seeing his strand titan on herald of finality. this guy clears me tho hes insane
@disbled
Ай бұрын
Thank you for this tier list, Aegis!
@imjlu
Ай бұрын
Imma be honest, Mr. Relicman, you way undershot on Necrochasm. 1. The chain explosions are most comparable to Sunshot but they do *way* more damage than Sunshot - like double including DoT, which does chain the explosions too, and that doesn't even factor in the weapon's own damage buff, which Sunshot doesn't intrinsically have 2. One for Thrall is the same on-hit damage boost as OfA, which I know you respect, except it increases range and AA to help you hit more crits (which you talked about being a factor) and unlike OfA, *it's refreshable* (!) 3. That, combined with effectively Desperado,except it pushes up your aim assist even more, is an *enormous* primary DPS boost 4. It comes with multiple reload perks - max reload + scalar on crit kill, and fully refilling the mag on splash kill 5. The Necrotics interaction is kinda cute, I guess Like yeah, it's only an add clear primary, but it's maybe the best one straight up. It's gotten so many buffs, including addition of One for Thrall this season. Please give it another real try. If Sunshot is in A, Necro deserves to be there too. And yes, I've seen Mossy's plot of primary major DPS, but let's be honest here - we're in a sandbox of rocket sidearms and infinite prismatic ability spam, so how much are you using your add clear primary on elites anyways?
@colewilliams3621
Ай бұрын
Rocket sidearms no longer work with finders so you're probably going to see them a lot less now
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
I'll definitely try it out more next season, but most endgame players in my chat agreed that it's just not potent enough compared to the other exotic primaries in upper tiers this season
@imjlu
Ай бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic Yeah, but how many chatters have actually given it a genuine try this season (specifically this season because of its massive buff with TFS)? I'm willing to bet very few have. Like I get some people have some sort of soft bias towards Sunshot, but I feel like you're trying to be objective here, and Necro is objectively really strong for an add clear primary. Also, my gut feeling says an auto artifact mod is coming with act 3 given that the exotic quest weapon is an auto, plus Khvostov is also a significant addition this season, I guess. And it's kinetic for building transcendence, and we all know consecration and other prismatic ability spam is everywhere in endgame stuff.
@sQuaTsiFieD
Ай бұрын
@@colewilliams3621 nah ur not gonna see them a lot less. You might see less double rocket sidearm loadouts (kinetic and energy) but rocket sidearms are still amazing.
@razelighter2010
Ай бұрын
Ahhhh man now I really want Necrochasm badly. Imma get it
@titanx9455
Ай бұрын
Here to defend buried bloodline: BB still has more total reserves over the other sidearms. To me devour is more useful and reliable than heal clip since you can switch to other weapons. Yes AA has incandescent for add clear but with facet of bravery every grenade kill grants void weapons volatile rounds which is very good for adds and you have devour active giving you grenade energy with every kill from any source. TL;DR: devour > heal clip, BB is well worth the exotic slot, however if you need to use another exotic AA is a good alternative (disclaimer: I’m a titan main whose been exclusively using the call, BB and apex predator with HP)
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
The placement of BB doesn't necessarily imply that it's strictly worse than something like an Aberrant, but it's definitely a harder sell these days for being worth the exotic slot when Aberrant and co. are definitely suitable alternatives without losing much, if that makes sense It's still a great weapon to pair with volatile builds and Devour access though!
@KnownAsSys
Ай бұрын
The goat has posted my new opinion on pve exotics 👍
@damsdee2214
Ай бұрын
Graviton is typically paired with Gyrfalcon. In this case, it far exceeds what sunshot can do. On its own, sunshot is nicer to use.
@tcritty2812
Ай бұрын
You don’t need kills to ramp necro. You can proc one for thrall in several cases.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Was moreso about the explosive effect, will definitely reevaluate my stance on it next season though after playing with it some more!
@Jacko4859
Ай бұрын
Ok quick question, why is everyone saying rocket sidearms have been nerfed heavily and will not so relevant? Didn’t they only fix a bug where they’re getting ammo bricks they shouldn’t have as it was coded as a primary? If that’s the case this community really has gone soft as oh no, i can’t use a special weapon like a primary.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah people always overreact to nerfs and buffed, they're still fine just not as good for solo ammo generation any more
@Jacko4859
Ай бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic that’s fair and realistic. Their ammo economy is still the best amongst special weapons so while they may have a slight decline in uptime,there’s still ways to circumnavigate this. Either by finisher mods or indebted kindness with lead from gold or just playing a bit more conservative with the ammo you have. Anyways, love the work you do for the community and always look forward to your videos. Take care
@Sabre5106
Ай бұрын
I'm less than 1k kills away from 69420 on my Sunshot kill counter. Thankfully the TFS nerf did nothing to ruin it.
@riledupblades2227
Ай бұрын
One for thrall on necro helps it scale to more end game. When auto rifles are a champ mod you will see it more.
@destroyerofidols
Ай бұрын
I would argue Monte Carlo is end game viable but only specifically for strand warlock builds that use weavers trance. Extremely situational but helps keep melee up for the sake of that build's add clear setups. Had to defend my pet build lol
@feircy
Ай бұрын
I take le monarque when I lfg grandmasters because the poison stopping the overloads regen just makes it easier for me to control whats gping on without relying on the man who brought ace of spades, a pulse, and an lmg with dynamic sway opening shot
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah it's definitely still a decent pick if you value a slow, consistent playstyle
@degenerativewalnut9079
Ай бұрын
Eriana’s vow with lucky pants is not to be fucked with
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
On god
@degenerativewalnut9079
Ай бұрын
I’m being serious too, that shit slaps
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
I am too man gonna make some DPS rotations with it soon
@bearlybearablebear
Ай бұрын
Haven't watched everything but I'm sure you're recommending Aeon's Rat King for solo and uh.. 5x Queensbreakers for bosses, right? tyvm
@slimporcupine3
Ай бұрын
Just a quick note arbalist actually no longer one shots shields does a little over 2/3rds as of this season. There were a LOT of changes about that dungeon this season that devs didn’t mention and there is a video out there in case you’re curious don’t know by who though.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
With a buff it still does I believe
@slimporcupine3
Ай бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic good to know for some reason I never considered it
@fallguy6196
Ай бұрын
Crazy when legendary rocket sidearms are better then anything on this list lol
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Most things yeah haha
@gabrielgardner2054
29 күн бұрын
You gotta try collective in more gms dude it’s better than graviton imo. I run it with Orpheus and the echo that gives you volatile/unraveling when you get a grenade kill which is a really easy loop to start with gunpowder gamble and grapple melee. With anti barrier this season it’s especially good bc all you gotta do to cover two champions in any gm level content is throw a suppressor the volatile is just to help with add clear and imo is more potent than graviton
@TheAegisRelic
29 күн бұрын
GMs aren't the only endgame content but Collective isn't bad for sure
@silentib1534
Ай бұрын
I feel like its kind of surprising to see Bastion not move. It's buff is incredible for the kind of damage profile it has, and it works with things like song of flame and banner of war titan quite nicely. In terms of single weapon damage it has really good dps for a special weapon and it complements melee builds extremely well, but I guess it struggles since fusions are too big a time investment for swaps I guess. Still think its worthy of a low B since its slightly less situational than the exotic shotguns for dps because of its better range with a tighter spread.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
It's a mix of me overrating it last season and me being stricter this season, anything that didn't move in the middle tiers you can honestly think of as moving up relative to the old list haha
@mikemike3760
Ай бұрын
Good to see Thorn is in S where it belongs
@MrEwvan
Ай бұрын
I think intrinsic champ exotics are in a good spot actually. The days of a mandatory exotic sucked so much, but I still use them when the champ mods or my build don't have the champ I need. They're an option that works but not the only one
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah I agree, they're fine as-is
@lemrant
Ай бұрын
Brilliant, my opinion has arrived 🙏🙏
@willphelps40
Ай бұрын
Excited for perk tier list review.
@Alex-ug9wx
Ай бұрын
I can’t be the only one who was reminded about the existence of numerous exotics by watching this? All the exotic trace rifles have literally been wiped from my mind.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah honestly it's nice to make videos like these because I can go through every weapon in the game and jog my memory
@Alex-ug9wx
Ай бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic I’m almost tempted to try and make a semi-viable build using some of these long-forgotten weapons 😅
@jq218
Ай бұрын
As always bungie nerfing things in pve without a sense of logic, QSS, Osteo and Polaris didn’t deserve does nerfs
@KazuhaPT
Ай бұрын
Babe wake up, Aegis just posted!
@moonshine71522
Ай бұрын
oh yeah, we're getting elitist with this one
@futerdude5369
Ай бұрын
Outbreak is definitely the outlier ranking here. I guess he was saying it does a little bit of everything but doesn't do one thing that great? I would argue its on par with Sunshot. Better against chunkier ads plus anti-barrier pulse feels way better than overload handcannon. Along with the transcendence regen. What Sunshot does in terms of splash damage Outbreak makes up with it in other ways. C tier just seems harsh. Also am surprised with the Whisper ranking...makes me wanna see a Witness dps test vs other competitive options.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah this list is more oriented for optimized endgame play, Outbreak tends to not see as much use in that kind of content but it might be worth shifting up a tier next season Edit: As for Whisper, this tier list does not account for artifact mods
@futerdude5369
Ай бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic Right but I'm thinking about how dominant the weapon is for GMs. I guess since you said artifact perks are not taken into account that would include the anti-champ viability. But also it seems to serve that niche purpose when people swap to it for more dps in final stand when they have no more heavy and special ammo.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah it's kind of flavor-of-the-month right now given AB Pulse but it's definitely not a bad weapon for GMs, just a bit slow-paced and not the most lethal when it comes to add clear
@Hydrodictyon
Ай бұрын
And on the point of GMs being dominated by abilities… I’m a returning player. My last time actually playing the game was when Lightfall dropped, only came back a month before TFS. Did a GM for the first time since coming back when they were opened this season, and immediately after asked my friend one question: *did Bungie make GMs easier?* I was really surprised to learn that it was the opposite. I’m still baffled that in most GMs I have the option to murder a boss via prismatic melee as titan, and in some of them boss isn’t even a thing as it dies immediately on spawn from 3 ults. Back in the day my question with GM weapons was “how do I fit all that I need?”, now it’s always “what do I even need?” - and it do feel weird.
@SpiderReviver
Ай бұрын
GMs did kind of get easier. The powercap is now 2020 which I believe allows you to be -20 instead of the previous -25. Most of feeling is easier is just massive powercreep since Lightfall (prismatic is a big part of this powercreep).
@onni4681
Ай бұрын
Man seeing lament and osteo in F tier really hurts.. both are, or were? among my favorite exotics. Osteo's adclear was ridiculous.
@ThatLazyyGuy
Ай бұрын
R.I.P. Striga. I really miss you
@sunshot444
Ай бұрын
Same, was my go to weapon of sorrow. Switched to Thorn when the big nerf came out and for me Thorn wasn’t bringing me the same fun I had with Osteo. Now I main Necrochasm and it gives me life.
@ThatLazyyGuy
Ай бұрын
@@sunshot444 yeah necrochasm might be the closest thing to striga these days in terms of a weapon with a mixture of feel and potency similar to striga
@pfft1994
Ай бұрын
exactly what i was thinking.
@CZ3nz
Ай бұрын
Might be too strict…
@jorqrvs
Ай бұрын
thank you for the tier list king 😘❤️
@Ysl489
Ай бұрын
I definitly agree with the tierlist based on endgame content. But I think there still needs to be a way to differentiate between stuff like last word/vig wing/jade rabbit, mida… & for sure viable options if u got a build going/doing niche stuff or just universally not terrible: Agers/lament/qss/monaque/tlord/trespasser/vex
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah it was a bit rough but I didn't really want to make a G tier for exotic weapons too :(
@benkurai6646
Ай бұрын
waiting patiently for armor
@ruijikisu
Ай бұрын
RIP osteo striga, I will never forget you for helping me get spire solo flawless
@chronosvonflowersby7680
Ай бұрын
The name of this tier list is “there’s 5 exotics in S/A/B tier combined, everything else is f tier” The actual justification and talking points here are great, but this is a horrible actual “tier list”. As presented, there’s no reason for most of the tiers to even exist. If >10% of items fit in the bracket above the average tier, (C), you’re doing it wrong. Great arguments and video though.
@chronosvonflowersby7680
Ай бұрын
Edit: if less than 10% of items are above your average baseline
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
That's why I made a lot more tiers than a normal tier list :P
@aulto
Ай бұрын
dumb question but, what makes Ergo’s ammo economy efficient? i’ve found myself running kinda low with it compared to other specials
@SpiderReviver
Ай бұрын
For starters, I would make sure to use enduring blade. Enduring gives 51 ammo at base compared to jagged's 40. Besides that wave is a particularly ammo efficient option. For the cost of 4 ammo you get a wave which kills most enemies in front of you, a follow up homing slash (no ammo cost), and if you have something like arc conductor 6 seconds of lightning attacking enemies for free. The catalyst also plays a large roll, ergo helps build transcendence very quickly and you can easily throw 4 prismatic grenades for 1 transcendence pop which can net you 24+ ammo (I've done testing on catalyst, it's quite weird but each grenade can easily get you 2-3 procs of ammo generation aka 6-9 ammo for 1 grenade).
@Revadike
Ай бұрын
I think you underestimated the utility use of witherhoard. Its incredibly potent in obtaining transcendence energy. At least, I didn't hear you mention this aspect.
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Lost Signal does the same thing though no?
@moreskuxx5400
Ай бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic passive gain for both bars
@Revadike
Ай бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic Only dark energy, though
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Kinetic Transcendence gains are less efficient than Light + Dark individual stacking even with Grace as far as I'm aware, but still a use even if it's niche I suppose
@CZ3nz
Ай бұрын
Pumping out high quality content at this rate gotta be a felony
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
:D
@Revadike
Ай бұрын
When talking about the current meta, why not consider artifact mods?
@SpiderReviver
Ай бұрын
None of his tier lists take into account the current meta because he wants the tier lists to remain as general advice. Tier list shifts season over season are just due to balance changes.
@Revadike
Ай бұрын
@@SpiderReviver I dont understand the difference
@SpiderReviver
Ай бұрын
@@Revadike Let's say next season Bungie adds a strong shotgun artifact mod that buffs shotguns by like 30% without doing any balance changes. Within this tier list, shotguns would not change even though they would see a general uptick in usage. Maybe acrius is doing way more damage with this imaginary artifact mod, but that doesn't affect this tier list's base ranking because base acrius wouldn't be changed.
@SavvyMon4
Ай бұрын
It’s probably a skill issue but does anyone else have a somewhat difficult time getting precision kills to get desperation going on Necrochasm?
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah it's a bit imprecise at range
@Galaxy40k
Ай бұрын
Is Navigator A tier just for Titan Grapple Melee? Signed, a Warlock one-trick wondering if I should take it out of my vault
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yep :P
@zsewqaspider
Ай бұрын
The grapple melee spam build is all class now, titans just have the easiest setup for it.
@interestedanomaly3981
Ай бұрын
Bro looked at everyone’s favourite exotics, smacked it outta there hand, and told em “be better”
@glforbie
Ай бұрын
is still hunt being used for shuro and kalli?
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Likely
@riseofphoenix7
Ай бұрын
What are your thoughts about splitting up the tierlist into primary/special/heavy?
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Exotics do compete with each other across slots since you can only have one on at a time, which is why I didn't originally separate them, I did think about it at one point though :P
@Forseen-7
29 күн бұрын
Am I blind, where is wicked implement?
@TheAegisRelic
29 күн бұрын
Unchanged this season
@Forseen-7
29 күн бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic ohh ok
@UnderplayedCreations
Ай бұрын
Crown of Tempests is an S tier warlock exotic.
@jmfe10
Ай бұрын
I just have one problem with this list and it's that it mixes Primary, Special and Heavy exotics when they shouldn't be considered equal in every situation. Of course Still Hunt is "the best weapon in the game" (Bungie please nerf it more), but it becomes useless outside of boss DPS. On the other hand, Khvostov is terrible for DPS but is a monster in ad-dense environments, which is most of the new content in the game. JESUS CHRIST BUNGIE NERF STILL HUNT MORE.
@danis.9326
Ай бұрын
Isn’t Outbreak optimal for many GMs? Like for the average GM player. Not the niche speed loadout youtuber.
@SpiderReviver
Ай бұрын
Tier list is more oriented towards elite players. So, GM category is oriented towards the 3x prismatic titan type fireteams. Outbreak is still quite good for those players (it got used in some of the season's first gm speedruns), but is kind of slow and too dependent on anti-barrier pulse this season to really be an optimal weapon for this tier list.
@JandJ
Ай бұрын
Thanks
@spakentruth
28 күн бұрын
both Sunshot and graviton can be reduced to the same tier now. sunshots current PVE damage is doing less than it used to before the solstice update that bugged gravitons fire rate. sunshot is matching damage with legendary 180s with explosive payload, zaoulis + EP is doing more damage than sunshot even without a solar surge burn. only benefit to sunshot is its crowd clearing capabilities but even that has become weaker since the new update
@TheAegisRelic
24 күн бұрын
There are other benefits to using Sunshot that someone listed quite aptly here, I think you might appreciate them
@spakentruth
24 күн бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic which is true. has great synergy with solar and whatnot. dont get me wrong its still great. But no ones really mentioning how its damage overall got nerfed after solstice indirectly. zaoulis can do pretty much the same thing minus the chain explosions
@TheAegisRelic
24 күн бұрын
@@spakentruth How did Sunshot get nerfed because of Solstice? If you're talking about Graviton, no one's talking about it as a permanent change because Bungie said they'd fix it, these comparisons are being made with old Graviton RPM in mind.
@spakentruth
24 күн бұрын
@@TheAegisRelic sunshots pve damage got reduced to where it was pre exotic primary buffs, it's doing about 10% less damage than it used to be doing. Bungie buffed exotic primaries and hand cannons in separate passes back to back, one of those buffs got rolled back accidentally
@Mcincolin
Ай бұрын
Damn Aegis blanket nerfs his tier list just like bungie does to weapons and abilities
@Grimeo
Ай бұрын
Will you be doing a build list again?
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Yeah but much later this season if at all
@cyber6852
Ай бұрын
Comparing some of these to last seasons is a crazy difference
@aaronyeager6778
Ай бұрын
Sheesh very brutal tier list but you had solid points to back your opinions, where can I find this spread sheet? The links bring me other places
@TheAegisRelic
Ай бұрын
Tiering spreadsheet in projects link in description
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