Having lived in California for over 15 years, the homeless problem was evident YEARS ago. The government raised taxes, did studies ad nauseum, the problem got worse. I got to the point where I frankly thought that the state didn't WANT to correct the issue. It is now clear that that's exactly what is behind this.
@AQuietNight
2 жыл бұрын
I was watching an interview about homeless in California. To build anything for the homeless you have to go through a swamp of politicians then make sure the highest bidder wins any contract.
@nursejulie3636
2 жыл бұрын
I live in California they don’t enforce the laws. Like always with the homeless who refuse housing. Who refuse treatment for mental health issues. But keep raising taxes.
@sew_gal7340
2 жыл бұрын
I lived in long beach, i used to put out soap and a bucket for the random homeless that would shower using my garden hose at 5 am...trust me there is so much homeless there, i moved out and into PA a year ago...best decision i ever made. it is too hot and too cold here for that. politicians just dont care
@Born2BFly
2 жыл бұрын
I’m born and raised in Los Angeles’ Westside. When I graduated from UCSB and came back to LA in 1999 I could see that the issue was getting out of control in Venice/Santa Monica….fast forward 2010 it was just a matter of time before all of LA became skid row. 2015 people are defecating on the streets in public, in broad daylight. If you’re raised here and have seen the city evolve and then devolve into the Wild Wild West it’s enraging.
@AQuietNight
2 жыл бұрын
@@Born2BFly I have family out there and while I haven't seen them in a while I remember California (LA area) being pretty neat and tidy. I better never go back.
@IAintTheDaddyMaury
2 жыл бұрын
Hate how they twisted Michael’s words. He kept his composure and expressed his points well.
@deadgolfer6345
2 жыл бұрын
Reasonable, focused, data driven, clear. He made a few people here look pretty silly. He's convincing.
@carmelsileo6520
2 жыл бұрын
Agree, everyone seemed to go for the touchy feely policies, but those don't work. That guy saying that nobody chooses homelessness was a lie, many of the addicts do choose to live on the streets because of their addiction. He's right, that apartment idea is a dangerous fantasy that will make people sicker.
@badmofaux
2 жыл бұрын
@@carmelsileo6520 Not to mention it might carry the unintended consequence of raising property values, as it makes parcels of land all the more competitive.
@genestarwind4610
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly you didn't listen. Michael just ignore valid points that conflicted with his point. If you never been in a shelter. I will tell what homeless people reject them. The are similar to prison. You can't have more than a backpack or suit case with you. Lights out, not privacy, lockdown times. You have to give up your belongs tents etc. A tent is more privacy that most shelters and more stable the shelters. It was NIMBY crowd that the rejects building housing.
@genestarwind4610
2 жыл бұрын
@@carmelsileo6520 Again that is a old stereotype. only about 30% of homeless have addition problems. Most addict homeless end up addict as a result of because of being homeless. As self medication. So you are in fact lying. Tired of that BS talking point that isn't based in fact.
@ApocalypshitMovie
2 жыл бұрын
Expanded conversations like this is definitely what the hill needs more of. This was a amazing conversation . Excellent content 👍
@charlesmcmurray4727
2 жыл бұрын
Love that took the time to explore and discuss in depth. More longer segments would be great!!!
@TS-lw5nv
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve lived in California my entire life. The homelessness and violence problem has never been this bad. It is no longer safe to even ride on BART - our garbage of the subway - anymore. SF was a clean city in the 90s- early 2010s. The issues have ballooned in the last 10 years.
@studlyasianmatt2440
2 жыл бұрын
I visited SF for work and homeless people are on almost every corner. It was crazy
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
Are you better off now than before Ronald Reagan?
@billvia45
2 жыл бұрын
Norman _ Are San Franciscans better off since the woke mob took it over?
@morganghetti
2 жыл бұрын
@@norman_5623 EERRRrrrr YouR PaRtY Is bAd . miNe GoOd.
@erikkovacs3097
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the early 2000’s San Francisco was a place I would take girls on dates. Now I refuse to even work there unless I have guaranteed secure parking.
@VoxMachina8
2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Whitehead is full of it. I've worked in mental health since 2014, I can introduce him to people that prefer to be homeless and refuse to go into a shelter.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
In New York City, a lot of homeless people refused to go into shelters because they were too dangerous. In part, this was because the city used to release people from prisons and refer them to the shelters. Is that what you're referring to?
@VoxMachina8
2 жыл бұрын
@@norman_5623 that definitely happens. I've seen that too. And I've worked with people on the streets taking them to appointments, bringing meds, doing counseling parked in the car or outside or in homes and shelters. I can introduce him to people that don't want to go to shelters because of rules and curfews. I can also introduce to people that hate being around other people so they prefer a tent in the woods or some other location. I've helped people move into apartments with counseling/medical/financial support and they get themselves kicked out. Not all, but a good percentage of people who even got rental assistance so they only had to pay 30% of their rent. People are people and have all kinds of quirks and make all kinds of decisions. Whitehead is delusional if he thinks everyone values the same exact things in the same exact way.
@sarbantz
2 жыл бұрын
Fentanyl destroy humans mentally and physically beyond the point of repair. Fentanyl is the number one reason for street homelessness pandemic. We will never reduce street homelessness without reducing the amount of fentanyl drug available on our streets.
@AGenerationJones
2 жыл бұрын
But they wouldn’t refuse to live in a home. No one should compete with Zillow for a home. Homelessness goes up with rents. Only citizens should be able to buy sfrs, not trusts or corporations. Housing needs to be for humans, not investors.
@sarbantz
2 жыл бұрын
@@AGenerationJones fentanyl. Just walk by any encampment, and see what they are doing. They smoke fentanyl 💊 all day long. If they can afford, they smoke fentanyl up to 100 times a day.
@Bkrusher131
2 жыл бұрын
Michael is on point! They kept twisting everything he said! It’s soooo obvious the house is given once they are in recovery!
@mercedesmerjil8185
2 жыл бұрын
Michael shellenberger is the only reasonable person in this discussion
@skippy9273
2 жыл бұрын
The difference in knowledge between the two panelists was stark here. Michaels comparison of New York and L.A made his point so clear
@gugy68
2 жыл бұрын
I think Michael's point is more feasible. Giving homes to all homeless is pretty much impossible. I like the concept of rewarding your efforts in getting better giving then a home.
@joelpettlon9650
2 жыл бұрын
Giving homes has been done in a lot of places in recent years with great results, cutting over-all costs and getting people able to find jobs again once they have a home address and place to sleep well and clean up well.
@Ok_Contest
2 жыл бұрын
implausible maybe, but not impossible.
@kolob4697
2 жыл бұрын
This is great comment supported by facts, cheaper and more humane
@genestarwind4610
2 жыл бұрын
? What there are currently more empty homes in the US than homeless.
@LivedAdvisers
2 жыл бұрын
There is some irony in your comment. If we cannot provide enough homes, we cannot end HOMELESSNESS.
@jenivivian
2 жыл бұрын
Good job Bri and Robby for mediating a difficult and important convo! More on this topic please!
@c.m.8860
2 жыл бұрын
He is spot on- shelter first, earn housing.
@deedeee6271
2 жыл бұрын
Did you earn housing?
@godofthisshit
2 жыл бұрын
@@deedeee6271 lol
@mistermurzyn6303
2 жыл бұрын
@@deedeee6271 YES I DID EARN HOUSING.ITS CALLED WORKING AND PAYING RENT. LOL
@m3ke68
2 жыл бұрын
@@mistermurzyn6303 so weird that that’s even a question. It’s almost like some folks want to criminalize earning things. 😂
@warrentoles3127
2 жыл бұрын
The government from it's financial sector is looking to subsidize people purposefully. Peoples opinions of who should get what are in the way. Societies way of life is the problems. And we're luckily to have traps for people that think like this
@zelda1966
2 жыл бұрын
As usual, the problem is the activists making $$$ off the problem
@Jacious
2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Whitehead has been an advocate for 30 years for a issue that getting worse every year. His lack of self-awareness is amazing.
@anthonytwohill9726
2 жыл бұрын
They're not activists, they're grifters.
@hermanhoppe3773
2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonytwohill9726 Hmm. CA spent Billions of dollar on it
@anthonytwohill9726
2 жыл бұрын
@@hermanhoppe3773 every state has that going on. Possibly now more than ever. That's what happens in an empire in decline.
@badmofaux
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jacious Until we get to communism, nothing is ever going to change.
@pamschilaty262
2 жыл бұрын
Without the Homeless Crisis, what would thousands of bureaucrats do if all the billions thrown at the issue actually worked? Wasting money keeps them employed.
@mattferencevich7549
2 жыл бұрын
As a homeless advocate there's a lot I could say but basically every homeless individual is homeless for different reasons. Yes many are mental health and drugs etc. Many lost jobs may not have family to help them get off the streets. Alot of money going to homeless organizations don't actually go to help the homeless. Many homeless don't want to go in housing. I was very happy in making some changes for the better mostly in Nevada (before covid) I should write a book on this topic.
@jesstiss222
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree and that has been my observation as well, particularly with many of my Vietnam vet friends on the streets. But is this a result of the loss of their humanity and trust? I bet if they could be in community, with their freedoms and rights, AND in their own homes, they’d choose it. I think it’s the restrictive, infantilizing nature of the housing systems that leads them to say, “F off! I’d rather live free on the streets!” I love those guys.
@mattferencevich7549
2 жыл бұрын
@@jesstiss222 I remember specifically las vegas claim they ended veteran homeless. There was a man who was a vet there and said he signed up for housing a month ago and they told him to call weekly. I knew someone in the mayor's office who got that man housing in 2 days. This same man got a very good security job shortly after. I try to help vets when I can.
@morganghetti
2 жыл бұрын
I've watched a lot about homeless here on KZitem and most everyone says the same thing as you. The 10 percent number he was quoting isn't realistic.
@sarbantz
2 жыл бұрын
Fentanyl destroy humans mentally and physically beyond the point of repair. Fentanyl is the number one reason for street homelessness pandemic.
@danielcheney2839
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love these longer form discussions. The more I watch/listen, the more you realize people have in common and can work towards a common goal. I really like what I've heard from Michael Shellenberger.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
The other thing I like about these debates is that they bring on actual experts.
@hermanhoppe3773
2 жыл бұрын
His book Sanfansicko will open your eyes.
@ericnjoroge5813
2 жыл бұрын
This was a good deep conversation, I take the point the other gentleman was making ie Michael that addiction and mental illness are very powerful. Even if you get people homes without addressing these issues I think you are just going to come back to square one.
@AGenerationJones
2 жыл бұрын
Yet I know people who are addicts, alcoholics, who suffer from mental illness, and they have homes. Perhaps instability causes homelessness? Rent-seeking by corporations or trusts is THE problem. No one should have to compete against Zillow for stable shelter. Even Costco recognised hoarding toilet to the point it created a shortage, and limited purchases. Homelessness goes up with rents, fact. Only American citizens should be able to buy SFR properties - 2 each.
@karendalsadik7119
2 жыл бұрын
@@AGenerationJones people not investment firms.
@albertthrelkeld2179
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but those people still need homes. One way or another, society pays a price for homelessness. In a country that spends billions of dollars each year on a vast security state, how is it that we can't ask what is more basic to any individual's sense of security and mental health than a roof over his head that is safe to live in? That sense of security is not something any homeless person would readily refuse. I can only imagine that homelessness itself is traumatic. The notion that you can get a person off drugs by incentivizing him with a home is a bit of a stretch. There are always incentives not to do drugs. How do you explain Hunter Biden's drug addiction? This was an affluent man with a family, name recognition and the influential connections that come with that, yet he risked losing all of that because of his addiction. I don't assume, as I think Mr. Shellenberger and others do, that beating addiction is simply a matter of willpower. A home is first and foremost a necessity, not a "reward," as Mr. Shellenberger puts it.
@tinchothegreat3743
2 жыл бұрын
You can encourage the homeless into shelters first, but if they choose to continue living in the streets then they should get cited and eventually thrown in jail. What's the better alternative? To leave them dying on the streets? The idea that Michael brings up is the most humane, level headed solution to the problem.
@badikay7972
2 жыл бұрын
If they want to encourage shelters, they should address the problems that exist within them.m to ensure safety and adequate living conditions
@stephaniezena9863
2 жыл бұрын
Michael is great on these issues
@IAintTheDaddyMaury
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@mbrasher6884
2 жыл бұрын
Gavin Newsome has failed on this issue for 20 years. Shellenberger at least offers a new perspective that goes beyond just increasing the bureaucrat class.
@jkadmon
2 жыл бұрын
This was a good discussion and maybe a future podcast episode in and of itself. One of the things I feel like everyone is neglecting are the psychological issues caused by the homelessness itself. There's the other half of that chicken and egg argument...being homeless causes serious mental health issues and is a major psychological trauma...the longer you are homeless the worse the damage. You can't just say they're homeless because they're mentally ill, because many are also mentally ill because they're homeless.
@jesstiss222
2 жыл бұрын
Yes!!! I’m so happy to see someone else recognized this in the comments. It’s such an overlooked part of these discussions. How many of us look forward to a drink or two after a hard day at work. Imagine how hard it must be to deal your entire life unraveling and losing your humanity - many of us would lose our minds or turn to coping mechanisms. None of us is above struggling and falling into addiction. Thank you for posting your comment! 🙏🏾
@brittneyedwards8127
2 жыл бұрын
This! And many do drugs to cope with the reality of being homeless.
@AGenerationJones
2 жыл бұрын
I know plenty of mentally unstable, alcoholic, addicts, who are part of the asset class who live in a home, and function due to stability. Homelessness goes up when rents go up. Only American citizens and legal residents should be able to purchase SFRs - no more foreign bank accounts with balconies while our vets sleep in tents. No more corporate or foreign investment in housing! No human should have to compete with Zillow for a home.
@jesstiss222
2 жыл бұрын
@@AGenerationJones yessssss!!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@SeattleMommy8338
2 жыл бұрын
100% agree with Michael! Shelter is a human right…getting your own housing unit is not
@TS-lw5nv
2 жыл бұрын
I love how Bri fundamentally misrepresented Michael’s perspective, and asked him to respond, when he responds, she immediately interrupts him and asks whataboutisms. The left wing audience deserves a better host to represent us. She’s the worst.
@cuomosrevenge947
2 жыл бұрын
Mayor Pete: we can’t expect affordable energy until we establish a carbon neutral energy system Homeless advocate: we need to solve all social inequality rather than just get people off the street
@hermanhoppe3773
2 жыл бұрын
In CA gov made some condos for the homeless. Each condo ccosts800k. 90% of homeless are mental patients who need hospitalization and drugs. Deinstitutionalization was a mistake.
@ClintByrne
2 жыл бұрын
It's a great way to kick the can down the road
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
@@hermanhoppe3773 Where did you get that 90% number from?
@warrentoles3127
2 жыл бұрын
@@hermanhoppe3773 so if you were in that position you'd rather be left out on the street? Cuz that's the rule of thumb. We'll make individual note of that just for you.
@beneisenberger
2 жыл бұрын
Great discussion y’all. Feels like the good ol’ Rising days
@nicolelawrence5177
2 жыл бұрын
Donald is sneaky in what he’s saying. But if you listen closely he is saying housing first not shelter first. That’s the difference.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
It's not sneaky. Housing is an apartment. Shelter is a dormitory (often with people just released from jail).
@nicolelawrence5177
2 жыл бұрын
My point is Donald is saying he agrees with Shellenberger but he actually doesn’t agree with him. There are places where everyone can agree but the disagreement between housing first and shelter first is what’s holding up getting people off of the streets.
@jamesw5591
2 жыл бұрын
As if the biggest concern of the drug addicted schizophrenic who is living in a tent is finding a “living wage” job…
@matthewmilligan8306
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these longer segments especially with good debates.
@warrentoles3127
2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy 0 homeless.
@LPAFilm
2 жыл бұрын
Brie I've noticed that the segments have gotten longer and longer starting with RADARS! Thank you Brie and Rising. NOTE: I know that had to do it because of you or your request because we know you prefer long form discussions.
@Manormouse-04
2 жыл бұрын
She's the best with long interviews. I recently commented on this on a more left You Tube channel. It's what makes he Bad Faith podcast so engaging.
@matthewmaccaughey5016
2 жыл бұрын
The real question that we have to ask is this only a major issue in cities like SF, LA, Portland, Seattle, Denver and other super liberal places. Until we acknowledge that "tolerance" and "compassion" has turned into "enablement" on some level, this problem won't get solved. I know Michael, he has done the research on this extensively and has the answers for what needs to be done.
@nicholasvanstrander852
2 жыл бұрын
At first I balked at your comment because Seattle has been a very liberal city FOREVER but homelessness has not been on this scale until more recently...and it's evident that the opioid epidemic, major recession, housing crisis and influx of out-of-state folks are all part of the mix. That said, early on into the rising numbers of encampments there was a lot of pushback against people raising very reasonable concerns such as finding needles, excrement etc. On sidewalks in front of their houses. I really wish my tax dollars went to solving these issues in stead of subsidizing large industries and military interventions. Even just for a couple years.
@willis7404
2 жыл бұрын
The issue with your comment is ALL major cities are liberal and homelessnesses is always a problem in major cities, not because they are liberal but because they have the highest populations with the highest costs of living and the most access to drugs and violence. It’s an urban issue, not a liberal issue.
@matthewmaccaughey5016
2 жыл бұрын
@@willis7404 with respect then, why don’t we see this in cities like Phoenix, Miami, Tampa, Fort Lauderdale, Nashville, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Atlanta, and so many more. I’m not saying there is something wrong with liberal policies in cities, I’m more saying that the cities who have gone woke are where this is an issue.
@willis7404
2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewmaccaughey5016 I live in Atlanta and we have tents under overpasses. It’s not as big as the issue is in SF, Portland, LA but it is growing and it seems to be directly related to housing unaffordability. As well as the increase of fentanyl on the streets
@nicholasrapose196
2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewmaccaughey5016 plenty of republican led cities have massive homelessness problems. If I’m wrong then please tell me what republican led cities have done to curb homelessness that liberal cities have not? As previously stated, it’s an urban issue
@joewilder
2 жыл бұрын
A completely different approach: Cleanliness first. Double the size of the sanitation dept. budget first. Put trash cans everywhere. Build thousands of public bathrooms with showers. Then make it illegal to create trash piles. After that is done, tackle the problem of sheltering people. Would we all like to live in a clean, environmentally safe city - even the homeless? Would the homeless be less likely to get sick in a clean environment? Wouldn't everyone be more likely to respect and even appreciate each other in a clean environment?
@warrentoles3127
2 жыл бұрын
The only problem is you can't trust people lol. They've been using their jobs as weapons against the homeless
@stevena.simmons3203
2 жыл бұрын
Shelters are often inhumane and unsafe.
@crbondur
2 жыл бұрын
Having been homeless in the past myself, I feel for anyone who can't figure out how to stay "homed". Until the "help" actually includes real psychiatric assistance, including institutionalizing for a time those incapable of acting for themselves because of psychiatric issues, then it's not really "help". As Whitehead mentions, simply moving people from one place to another isn't actually helpful. Shellenberger's incentive/reward idea sounds like a good step in that direction, though we still have to address how we can help people who refuse lifesaving help.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
A psychiatrist at Bellevue told me that the "housing first" approach, of simply moving people into normal apartments, actually works most of the time. Once they have a permanent, secure place to live, you can offer them health care, psychiatric and other social services. Yes, if somebody is living on the street because they can't afford rent, and you give them a government-subsidized apartment (and welfare benefits until or unless they can work), that is actually helpful.
@johnjohn-dk2tq
2 жыл бұрын
@@norman_5623 well as long as a psychiatrist said so than it much be true...i am sure they would take the same approach to administering new meds to patients right? just prescribe a new med because someone says it is the solution....no need for data and analysis to back up that assertion.... I am not saying the psychiatrist was wrong but go with what the data says rather just what some person says.
@skippy9273
2 жыл бұрын
It cuts mortality into a third, so you can't say it isn't helpful.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnjohn-dk2tq I'm not going by a single psychiatrist. There have been many published studies of housing first, for example, A randomized controlled trial of the effectiveness of Housing First in a small Canadian City, BMC Public Health 2019 19(1154) which found that housing first was better at ending housing than the usual treatments. There are many other studies, and evaluating them would require a review longer than I could fit into a comments section. If you want to review all the data, be my guest, spend a week reviewing the literature, and tell me how it turns out. But some people are more convinced by anecdotal evidence, so for their benefit I'm quoting a psychiatrist who deals with homeless people.
@darrenmiller6927
2 жыл бұрын
Great topic, great guests, great ideas great discussion. Clearly this needs to be discussed more everywhere.
@jujushaller
2 жыл бұрын
YES! It was a great segment.
@sarbantz
2 жыл бұрын
We will never reduce street homelessness without reducing the amount of fentanyl drug available on our streets. It's everywhere, and dirt cheap.
@adinahaun6001
2 жыл бұрын
I live in San Francisco where the homeless problem is a travesty, moral blight on our city and society. We have the most billionaires in the country, yet cannot figure out how to keep our citizens alive with minimal dignity. It’s disheartening to witness this everyday, even a block from city hall. Our so-called leaders have failed all of us, housed and unhorsed, for decades.
@Unfamous_Buddha
2 жыл бұрын
Change "unhorsed" to "unhoused."
@billvia45
2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry that you think any one those folks you mentioned actually cared.
@adinahaun6001
2 жыл бұрын
@@billvia45 Right, it’s clear they do not care. When they care about something, it happens instantly, like funding for war.
@cspdx11
2 жыл бұрын
the fact is the citizens brought this on. They voted and voted for these types of policies
@Unfamous_Buddha
2 жыл бұрын
@@cspdx11, It's a shame that the voters' choices are limited, so it's hard to get a decent politician elected.
@guillermorivas7819
2 жыл бұрын
Comparing New York to California is like comparing apples with oranges. Many homeless people don't like rules nor authority. Many are still living outside in California due to California's good weather.
@mendonesiac
2 жыл бұрын
"A shelter is not a home. If you're in a shelter, you're still homeless" Such a good point.
@archmad
2 жыл бұрын
this is like saying an apartment is not a home. well, it's not a house for sure, but it can be a home.
@mendonesiac
2 жыл бұрын
@@archmad You obviously have never seen a shelter.
@archmad
2 жыл бұрын
@@mendonesiac i dont think you get my point. you should define "home" before calling it, it's not a home. a prison is a home for prisoners.
@WhyHandleYouTube
2 жыл бұрын
But "Housing" should be ERNED. NOT given to them for free as a REWARD for ruining your life by choosing to become an addict.
@theurbanegentleman4550
2 жыл бұрын
Therefore we should just leave them on the streets? Please tell me you don’t think that
@WalkinginLA2023
2 жыл бұрын
Shellenberg uses studies and facts, Donald uses anecdotal evidence, Shellenberg is the most knowledgeable person I've heard on this subject, I live in LA we are at the tipping point due to mental illness and addiction.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
I spent half an hour trying to look up Shellenberger's "scientific studies" and couldn't find them. His publication history of the New York Post, Daily Mail and Forbes don't inspire confidence. I read the scientific literature , and what I find is exactly the opposite of what Shellenberger claims. For example, I just did a text search for "housing first" on PubMed: Differences in overdose deaths by intent: Unintentional & suicide drug poisonings in North Carolina, 2015-2019. Prev Med. 2022 Aug 23;163:107217. "These findings highlight the value of allocating resources to prevention and intervention approaches that target upstream causes of overdose (e.g., housing first, violence prevention programs)...."
@WalkinginLA2023
2 жыл бұрын
@@norman_5623 Either way - the path we are on is not working. Not sure where you live but in LA where I live there are addicts on every block shooting up in the open and mentally ill screaming at people and doing harm to themselves, at least Shellenberg is taking the approach we need new thinking, I've lived in LA over 40 years - it's never been like this, we either look at alternatives like Shellenberg presents or this is the new normal.
@deedeee6271
2 жыл бұрын
When Mr. Whitehead mentioned that we don't have enough shelters, I looked up the info about the num er shelters in the major city I live next too. I found recent articles stating that the city is actually looking to expand shelter space due to all being at full. This man knows his stuff.
@harpreetpannu2267
2 жыл бұрын
Team blue makes no sense as you grow older.
@skiman863
2 жыл бұрын
Where's my free housing, where's my free drugs?
@nursejulie3636
2 жыл бұрын
Massive immigration high rents and low wages a formula for homelessness.
@Kwijiboi
2 жыл бұрын
Massive immigration provides cheap labor to keep the system going. The Democrats push for open immigration and amnesty is the same folks undercutting employees and labor unions wanting a better deal from big business. They always say Republicans only help the rich, but having lower immigration actually gives the working class more bargaining power.
@russellhowes1359
2 жыл бұрын
How about cracking down on Government corruption and dropping regulations that allow more low cost housing.
@glenhendler7709
2 жыл бұрын
A too frequent solution to shelter poor people in the US is to criminalize their behavior and jail them. Private prisons are paid $30-40K per year to bed each victim/prisoner.
@jansean2497
2 жыл бұрын
Solving homelessness won’t happen unless healthcare is reformed for good. Plain and simple. The choice for all cities is to demand Total National Healthcare Reform -Then pay for treatment centers, shelters and low income affordable housing, OR live with these problems and lose their tax base. There is no third option. 1)Single payer healthcare lowers medical cost by spreading it out over every individual and every employer by percentage. 2) Converting hospitals and healthcare industry to non-profit means that 100% of every healthcare dollar is reinvested back into facilities equipment or salaries, not shareholder profits. 3) Build addiction and mental health hospitals, treatment centers and homes. Cover treatment 100%. 4) Since cities with housing affordability seem to have the most issues, build affordable housing-Duh! Shelters and transitional facilities. Apartment communities, tiny home and mobile home parks. Once there is a place for everyone to go, cities can humanely pass laws to remove them from the streets. Big money entities and the wealthy don’t want to pay for this because it doesn’t affect them. It affect them. It just affects the rest of us.
@whoopsi5297
2 жыл бұрын
How can people continue to agree with this delusional view. Michael does a great job and addressing the other panelists claims and answering them directly. The other guest just strawmans and gaslights.
@jameschawkinsart
2 жыл бұрын
There is definitely a lack of shelters in California the should be addressed. Fortunately I was able to get a bed when needed, and was able to get back on my feet. But just after, drop in centers, where people could take showers, sometimes wash clothes, eat, find shelter beds for the night got shut down in San Francisco.
@nursejulie3636
2 жыл бұрын
Than where housing illegals in 700 dollars a night hotels? Yeah that really fair.
@Ascenscion603
2 жыл бұрын
I wish Gov. Gavin Newsom would appoint Michael Shellenberger to state director for homeless care in California. I read San FranSicko and was impressed. He seems spot on on how best to deal with the homeless crisis. Offer safe and clean shelters first, and then housing can be earned with support services offered (ie psych med evals, therapy, addiction assessment and treatment, job placement, etc…). But if these individuals don’t honor basic rules after say three violations, then they can’t be permitted to stay. Nor can they then just loiter on streets continuing to use displaying behaviors that jeopardize the safety of us law abiding folks. If then crimes are committed then a penalty should be given including jail time if indicated. Shellenberger addresses the problems with some progressives (speaking here as a liberal democrat) who want to enact policies that actually enable homeless addicts and I believe right after not enough shelters and housing this is the biggest problem. Allowing public spaces for open use even supervised is insanity and again only enables the problem. I have worked in the addiction recovery field and consequences are crucial for those in recovery. If no consequences then it is just too easy to continue to use. We must offer more support, shelters and housing options but we must also expect these individuals to take some responsibility for their own lives and decisions. There is also the issue that is rarely discussed and that is how some homeless addicts are not just addicted to drugs but also to the chaotic street lifestyle. Sometimes when all you know is chaos, stability is just plain boring and it is not unusual for these people to return to the drama on the streets.
@jceddy1
2 жыл бұрын
The more money they throw at the problem, the worse it gets. Government, the only line of business you can be in where you can spend infinite money and not have to show ANY results.
@imajcsdad
2 жыл бұрын
Here we go again. The last word doesn’t mean the last word. Bri can’t help herself.
@imajcsdad
2 жыл бұрын
The day had been going so well up until that point.
@sideshowamit
2 жыл бұрын
Great discussion. We need more of this!!!
@Powderfinger77
2 жыл бұрын
Hmm it would seem winter would be a major difference between NYC and LA. Cold is an incentive to shelter not mentioned here
@Col.Klink.
2 жыл бұрын
Go Michael!!
@deedeee6271
2 жыл бұрын
PART II PLEASE!
@michaelprout9958
2 жыл бұрын
Finally, they have on Michael. He is the best to speak on this homeless issue.
@markg3169
2 жыл бұрын
The homeless advocate is the problem talking over people and not presenting a solution.
@nateb4543
2 жыл бұрын
Living in Portland area my entire life (35 years), the more money we throw at the problem and more accommodating we are, the worse it gets. The issue is not linear but exponential
@sarahteague7290
2 жыл бұрын
Shelters are terrifying, and so many people feel safer in their cars or in the park. Also, where do you go from shelter? You still have to go into housing from shelter, and there isn't enough housing, even if you "earn it "
@YummyFoodOnlyPlz
2 жыл бұрын
Ideally, these people who have recovered in their own housing should start working and getting paid and they can move to section 8 or even purchase affordable house and then go from there. The housing unit that was earned due to successful recovery should remain with that individual for a time until a self-sustaining job is secured again and then the individual should reintegrate back into society as a contributing member even as a burger flipper or grocery bagger.
@dragonbeardable
2 жыл бұрын
it sounds much easier to just improve shelters then build long term housing for the homeless.
@YummyFoodOnlyPlz
2 жыл бұрын
@@dragonbeardable yes, improving shelters is a much better place try spending money and much more worthwhile to focus policymaking on
@Kwijiboi
2 жыл бұрын
If there isn't enough housing after shelter, you make Shellenbergers point of shelter now is better than housing in the distant future. Shelter can be built faster, and support many more people. The working poor are struggling with shelter, and can't buy them with wages, what makes you think housing all homeless could happen so quickly after these cities have demonstrated an inability to build on a level that even supports existing residents, let alone homelessness. A cynic would say, homeless advocates and support services would be out of a job if the problem was solved, the same way that it's more profitable to prescribe drugs for the symptoms instead of solving the underlying medical problem. Similarly, cities derive a lot of budget from housing prices through property tax. If housing prices dropped significantly, revenues would also decline for these cities, giving them a disincentive to solve these challenges.
@alanbailey5621
2 жыл бұрын
Most homeless people are unemployable because of nonviolent criminal records, most of which are drug related. These people need a second chance with the renewal of public works projects as, civilian conservation corps. There are many useful tasks these people can do and after a few years of service they can qualify to have their criminal records stricken from public record.
@archmad
2 жыл бұрын
so you want to employ criminals? be my guess, start your own shop.
@hermanhoppe3773
2 жыл бұрын
90% of them are mental patients they need hospitals and medicine and people to look after them. We shut down nearly all of our State mental hospitals. Deinstitutionalization was a mistake
@alanbailey5621
2 жыл бұрын
@@hermanhoppe3773 Maybe in New York.
@billvia45
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@m3ke68
2 жыл бұрын
There’s an assumption of willingness to work there.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
The New York City shelter system has always been a problem. I was once in a train station where someone had called a cop to remove a homeless man. The cop suggested that he go to a shelter. The man said he had been in shelters, and they were dangerous. He said, "Do you want to get your throat cut? Nobody wants that." One of the problems was that the City released people from the prisons and sent them to the shelters. As the New York Times regularly reported, homeless people preferred sleeping on the streets to staying in the shelters, because the streets were safer. The shelters *were* like prisons. I believe that "housing first" is best for the individual homeless people. If you want to turn them into normal, middle-class people, you have to give them normal, middle-class housing. They should live in economically integrated housing. Of course one of the problems is that middle-class people don't want to share their housing with socially disruptive people. There are solutions to that too.
@UA8JK
2 жыл бұрын
So let me get this straight there's a shortage of housing for people in the working low middle and middle class. The solution is to give for free to homeless people what those people who are working need to remain housed. Do you not recognize the problem with this? And no people who are working and possibly have families they're try to provide for do not want to share housing with people who are disruptive. But that's not a thing we should expect of them.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
@@UA8JK No, you got it wrong. New York City used to have an extensive network of successful, attractive, low-cost public housing projects. Most of the existing projects have long waiting lists of people who want to get in. Some of them rent for 30% of household income. When I grew up, this used to be housing for civil service workers, teachers, nurses, artists, theater people, plumbers, and an economically integrated population. Then came the ideology of privatization. The Faircloth Amendment cut off federal funding for new housing. There are many models of good, low-cost public housing, both in American history and in international models today, Austria is one of the most successful. The UK had a good system of Council Houses, which Thatcher destroyed. You seem to subscribe to the Dickensian philosophy that the "unworthy poor" should not live decent lives like the rest of us, but should suffer in prison or workhouse conditions. I wonder if you have the same resentment for Donald Trump and other real estate developers, who got bigger government handouts than all the poor combined, much of it from tax fraud, as the New York Times documented.
@UA8JK
2 жыл бұрын
I am lower middle/ middle class I definitely don't subscribe to the idea that there shouldn't be affordable housing for working people to live in. But I never made that point. I said those people you are talking about don't have housing access now due to limited availability. Granted the population density of NYC is silly to start with and creates it's own issues. The point I made was that those lower earning work people should not have to live abreast of people being given free housing that will not/ are not willing to comply with regulations to have such housing. Especially when it would be free versus those who work to pay for it.
@almostoday
2 жыл бұрын
Brie needs to be a better host… she can’t let people finish their statements if she doesn’t agree with them
@brittneyedwards8127
2 жыл бұрын
Michael is spot on, first get the off the street. You want housing beyond that you need to go into recovery and take your meds. Permanent housing in the most expensive real estate markets in the country as a reward for being homeless makes no sense. And it realistically won't happen because we cant afford to build it in these markets.
@joshcall13
2 жыл бұрын
Best multi-panel debate in a long time.
@boo2457
2 жыл бұрын
Austin had their camping ban that allowed camping everywhere and anywhere (sidewalks, parks, highways etc) , EXCEPT in front of City Hall. Progressive are great at sticking their fingers in their ears and closing their eyes and yelling "ITS NOT A PROBLEM I DONT SEE IT!" and they keep voting for more of the same thing
@marywalters1181
2 жыл бұрын
Homelessness is exploding nationwide. I don't think it's just progressives ignoring the problem.
@kevinstfort
2 жыл бұрын
That’s not progressives or leftists. You’re talking about liberals.
@stefnick2010
2 жыл бұрын
Listening to the conversations. It seems both men agree with the same general point, to the point where they making a similar arguement. But one is concerned more with taking steps to eliminate homelessness altogether and the other seems more concern with what the practical, more immediate need of removing homeless people from the streets.
@KenShew325
2 жыл бұрын
Ridiculous homeless advocates are a big part of the problem. Getting paid but not fixing the problem. We do need to criminalize public drug use, panhandling, and trespassing. We also need to offer mental healthcare, drug rehab, and possibly housing.
@kaijohnson5685
2 жыл бұрын
Putting people into a house is not enough. My wife was a social worker that worked with homeless people to find them permanent homes, appropriate identification, access to resources (transportation to grocery stores, access to mental health care, payee services, community resources etc).
@ttarantulas4u258
2 жыл бұрын
I bet 90% are illegals not true citizens who are homeless. I too know people who did this who worked for CPS.
@kevinstfort
2 жыл бұрын
That’s what he said. Housing with services.
@LPAFilm
2 жыл бұрын
Wow...such a big difference from someone DOING THE WORK and someone STUDYING THE WORK! Kudos Donald.
@ThePhuongers
2 жыл бұрын
He's done it for 30yrs and it's worse. He's clearly not making big enough strides. He should be fired.
@hollywoodartchick9740
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Donald for speaking truth - NOBODY "wants" to be homeless. They may not want to live in a shelter that separates them from their pets, their opposite-gender partners and kids/parents, and tosses them side by side with dangerous people, thieves, and parasites. Most shelters in LA have people camping AROUND them instead of going INSIDE of them because they are so unpleasant to be inside. And they are TEMPORARY. After they give up their pets and possessions to get into the shelter, they are tossed out again after a period of time. They would rather have stability of some sort. I don't blame them. Let's stop blaming the victims here; it was not their idea for $400 apartments (1999) to turn into $4000 apartments (2022).
@c.m.8860
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously, it’s worse to be in a shelter then under and underpass in a tent…?
@studlyasianmatt2440
2 жыл бұрын
Sure you can say people have a right to things but in reality people need to contribute to earn those rights. Starting civilizations would have all those contributing or they would be left behind.
@violetatcontentboutique7188
2 жыл бұрын
Great thought-provoking chat! ... Looking forward to the sequel :) ... Has anyone run a poll asking how many of these homeless people actually had homes & apts. & careers & jobs & functioning lives before the 2008 crash? I suspect that number is high. 💜
@sew_gal7340
2 жыл бұрын
The USA is a country with declining exceptionalism, this evident in everything we do...we dont succeed with every effort, we stall and refuse to take accountability, we allow mediocrity to be a part of our culture. this is why everything seems to fail and nothing works. When your culture and people are lazy and scared of making hard choices it becomes difficult to help anyone.....throwing money at the problem doesnt help
@kevin15776
2 жыл бұрын
Right to housing? At what cost to taxpayers? I'd love a plan that finally benefits the middle class instead of taxing them more.
@cliffordmaxwell9802
2 жыл бұрын
It is all of the above including lack of living wage jobs which never gets the emphasis it deserves! We all have known about the lack of mental health funding and drug rehab funding the systems answer to the problem was turn it into a legal issue and start arresting people for being poor, homeless, mentally ill, addicted to drugs none of it addresses the real problems that land so many out on the street or living out of their broken-down automobiles legal action costs way more and makes it harder if not impossible for the people to ever get back on their feet again. Homelessness is another debtor's prison tool to keep the workforce desperate and ripe for exploitation terrified of ending up out on the street as the safety nets have all been removed to benefit the owner class. Rigged for the wealthy capitalism doing what it always does and with the help from the state and local governments as our corrupt bought representatives go right along with whatever their Wall Street masters tell them to do.
@AQuietNight
2 жыл бұрын
Drug addicts are more romantic than just normal people who can't earn enough to pay ever increasing rents.
@kingade2931
2 жыл бұрын
This was great!
@stevena.simmons3203
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Briana
@mattconrad6132
2 жыл бұрын
I have been in area of Sacramento, CA with 65% increase of homeless AKA drug zombies and this is their choice of life we are allowing in California. They only want to do enough to get enough drugs they need that night for their high. These people have no desire to work.
@talyahr3302
2 жыл бұрын
I liked when the conversation was re-entered on the root of the issue. Programs to help people beat addiction should be prioritized.
@happyguy2k
2 жыл бұрын
This was a great discussion
@dmr6390
Жыл бұрын
Michael is just such a more common sense guy than the other man on the panel. I wish this conversation went on longer. Why did they have to cut it short?
@VikingSummer
2 жыл бұрын
Here goes Bri arguing with someone who has a PhD in the topic
@leojenn87
2 жыл бұрын
Bring them back on. Good segment
@bocajrs7628
2 жыл бұрын
Easy, just call them college students that want loan cancellation. Problem solved.
@stacyoneill4218
2 жыл бұрын
It's weird that Venezuela managed to build millions of homes, even surpassing their stated goal, for people without a place but the richest country in the world can't seem to manage it
@adamdrouin2295
2 жыл бұрын
They could start by not incentivizing homelessness
@irishspagetti6565
2 жыл бұрын
true, I'm was homeless for about three years and I did see alot of enablement in the city I was in, the worst was you get a free meal literally every day of the week, yeah stuff like that sounds like a good idea but if you can get that free meal every day, where is the incentive or drive to get a job and get out of that lifestyle
@lisa-ul4vi
2 жыл бұрын
Michael is correct, there needs to addiction, mental health services.
@tonyg76
2 жыл бұрын
This is a hard problem to solve. I agree with parts of both of them. You need to take care of the mental health/substance abuse challenges before giving people housing. At the same time, the living conditions in shelters are terrible, so I understand people not wanting to be in them.
@archmad
2 жыл бұрын
so you want to control people's choice then? as long as you have freedom, there will always be a homeless situation
@matthewmaccaughey5016
2 жыл бұрын
You can't advocate for housing when the regulations and people make it impossible to build housing. When comparing housing to shelters, housing is an expensive way to help individuals, shelters are a cheap way to help groups of people.
@hermanhoppe3773
2 жыл бұрын
If socialist/ statist understood economics.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
Shelters are a cheap way to provide substandard, prison-like housing. When people would rather sleep in the streets than the shelters, you know that your solution is wrong. Unfortunately our system of fragmented local governments run by even more fragmented interest groups is often unable to solve problems like this. The federal government was much more effective at providing low-cost housing.
@OnimenoJason
2 жыл бұрын
Seeing Mr. Whitehead's title is all the answer you need to know. He doesn't want a solution to the Homeless problem because it's what allows him and others to have a job. It's a self protecting racket of what started for good means, but these people aren't going to work towards solving the problem to end their own jobs.
@catholicguy3605
2 жыл бұрын
Get in a shelter or go to jail. Many homeless are better off in jail then left to their own devices. We use to have mental facilities that locked up some of these people. It might be a good idea to open those back up.
@jonathantoymaker
2 жыл бұрын
Why did all the Mental institutions close down ??? The staff was abusing the patients...so not a solution.
@jadex0x0
2 жыл бұрын
So you can never get staff that doesn’t abuse patients?
@rivernorthhomes
2 жыл бұрын
Sure, build housing for the homeless, but they need to be held accountable for their actions. You cant just give homeless people free housing with no strings attached.
@mendonesiac
2 жыл бұрын
Why not?
@chrisrhule1760
2 жыл бұрын
Sure you can!! It's CHEAPER than jail
@ttarantulas4u258
2 жыл бұрын
@@mendonesiac Because the illegals are getting hotel housing. That's why
@rivernorthhomes
2 жыл бұрын
@@mendonesiac why not? if u just build housing full of homeless and vagrants and there are no rules (no drug use, have to search for work etc) otherwise these bundling are going to turn into slums
@kevinstfort
2 жыл бұрын
@@rivernorthhomes they’ve done this in other countries and other parts of this country and it’s worked. Stop trying to punish people. Just help them.
@pedrob7374
2 жыл бұрын
last time I checked there are entire ghost towns in the US where no one lives... tons of empty homes.
@michaelheerdt6845
2 жыл бұрын
Based on what I've seen. They are making homelessness worse. More people are becoming homeless in their cities. How are they tackling the problem? By changing the definition
@lynnlobliner3933
2 жыл бұрын
There is a moral issue to the homeless problem if you include the people running the hedge funds who are buying up all the property in the country, forcing up rental and mortgage prices. When a one-bedroom apt costs $2,000/month, and isn't that great, there's a problem. Then there are the city planners who force the demolition of single room only establishments and old apartment buildings and build new housing that doesn't have room for those who were living in the apartments that were there before. They may not have been the best, but they were better than the street. Then those city planners, who don't live in the city in which they work, move on to another city, leaving behind their destruction. That's more the moral problem.
@norman_5623
2 жыл бұрын
New York City government is much easier to understand when you realize that politicians are elected with campaign contributions from real estate developers, and they run the city to benefit their campaign contributors. (There are a few other interest groups that also have political power, such as all the identity groups.)
@sr20dett1000
2 жыл бұрын
Homeless. If people are really sympathetic let them donate with their own money. Give up some of their unnecessary consumption that is not need. Starbucks, clothing, nail, shoes, going out to eat, vacation. The list can go on. The truth is everyone is selfish and it is expressed on how you spend your money, not what you say. Or because you wish the government with the help Federal Reserve to create money out of thin air make you a good person.
@ryanrex297
2 жыл бұрын
Great topic. Love the divergent views. Thank you.
@drewmalesky9869
2 жыл бұрын
Shellenberger is the only one who makes any sense on this topic, and Whitehead Jr. is obviously running the clock so Shellenberger can't respond.
@tallseahorses
2 жыл бұрын
The conversation began just when it was ending. Get to the differences quicker, and clarity will be appear.
@UA8JK
2 жыл бұрын
Or just have longer conversations. There's clearly an appetite for it when the most popular podcast in the world is three hours an episode on average.
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