With whm in shb you could use lilies as movement and get some dps back with blood lily and it was a core strategy of the job. Now with improved glare and blood lily unchanged, you never want to use lilies except when you must heal and it's all about side casting or burning a swift cast.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
I know right, I dont like at all how it feels... but I loved WHM so much 😭
@GypcerosVrag
2 жыл бұрын
What? If you use 3 lilies and misery, you get 900 potency. In shb you would get 1200 potency from 4 glares, in endwalker you get 1240. Nothing has changed gameplay-wise.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@GypcerosVrag The difference is really, that in ShB you needed lillies to move, now you dont anymore.
@antarath517
2 жыл бұрын
@@GypcerosVrag Primarily glare being 1.5 sec instead of 2.5 gives usually enough movement especially with slidecasting that it feels bad to effectively lose 1/4 a glare cast for 1 second of movement. Nor is the double weaving opportunity really needed anymore, you can weave with glare too.
@celestielsigh
2 жыл бұрын
WHM in ShB is what made me love the game, it feels so bad now and it makes me sad... Thin Air doesn't even feel like it weaves properly ugh
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
I feel you so much!!
@iAronn
2 жыл бұрын
Disappointed warrior wasn't on this list :D
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
@themrlace
2 жыл бұрын
I just picked up the game again recently after a 2 year hiatus, and as a former White Mage (I love this job so much man) now gone Scholar on a new character, I can absolutely confirm that the skill floor for this job is at the fucking moon. It's crazy how much harder it is compared to WHM.
@koralionheart
2 жыл бұрын
The way that I'd fix whm is to give assize 2 stacks, and MAYBE weaken lillies and move them to ogcd, give them more to press and a clear path to build up to!
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
That‘s a really smart way to think about it !
@Adeon55
2 жыл бұрын
From a sprout's perspective, as I was leveling up to lilies on WHM, I always just assumed they'd be ogcd like SCH's lustrate. Was disappointed to find out otherwise once I got them :(
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@Adeon55 OGCD Lillies would make WHM so gooooood i would love that!
@koralionheart
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB it'd unironically turn it into my favourite job, that's all whm needs, it just needs a way to keep up with the others, especially with how sage can output more damage without stopping, the double stacked assize would allow you to keep an aoe heal for lower levels (alongside even saving them for a burst phase) not to mention it'd solve the mp issues whm has right now by just giving them another 700, alongside reducing the amount you cast glare as a blood lillie would generate once every 90 seconds (so you could basically pop it on cooldown, or even save it a bit to get almost two during raid window, fun little things like that) I'd love to see what they do with whm!
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@koralionheart That is so much great input!
@toodleselnoodos6738
2 жыл бұрын
Expedient, on paper it sounds counter-intuitive, but the devils are in the details. The 20 sec duration is the reason it works so well and allows you to take advantage of both the dodge and the damage reduction. For example, stack -> spread mechanics (EX2 Red mantle/ice crystal, water crystal/chakrams, Akh morn/spread). In EX1, you don’t have as many overlapping situations as most attacks will kill you without a shield or can be avoided outright. The trick is the amount of mobility to make up for slower pattern processing. Use Expedient for the first Akh Morn and it’ll be available for the first meteor. The adds phase makes Expedient a dps boost as it provides more uptime for melee against the back adds if the Exoteiros ends up not in your favor. It t won’t be available for the first meteor set so you have to pick whether it’s more important to get through the adds or have a little more leeway for error on meteors.
@OldManInternet
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your ranking. I had fun leveling Sage and I really like where scholar is at (although wish it had more interesting damage options.) But while I'm trying to level a non barrier healer for the sake of flexibility, I just really don't enjoy how either plays right now. I guess I'd give the nod to the astro, but I'm not wild about how the cards feel right now (although divination change was great)
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Are we the same person :D
@OldManInternet
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB Probably not. I think. Maybe...?
@magnuscarlsson9969
2 жыл бұрын
I also struggle with both AST and WHM. Having the lilies on a 45 sec combat cooldown sometimes feel nice, but a smal part of me pref. when they charged up by healing since that meant you get faster resources when it was required... now i just end up sitting on 3 lilies when there's no dmg going on... and in most fights you won't get your first lily untill it's to late to use it. So then It's all about wasting that 3rd lily for the rest of the fight, since you might aswell use oGCD's. When it comes to AST it just feel alot weaker these days, i don't even know why, but it's the only healer i struggle to get my grip around. Not to mention that i sometimes forget i don't need sigils anymore... Used to play AST alot, so old habits die hard. Good thing about AST however is that theres no manabar, so no need to think about comfort. pies. the new ability regen so much Mp you could spam heal with hard casts for days. Perhaps AST makes more sense once i hit 90, still at lvl 86 since i can't muster the energy to play it anymore(Sadly).
@OldManInternet
2 жыл бұрын
@@magnuscarlsson9969 I mean, if the world champion can't work out astro, what chance do the rest of us have?
@Sankaritarina89
2 жыл бұрын
I'm also a SGE player (AST before). When I farm EW ex1 the addersting felt "ok" because I would shield the MT from the regular damage every now and then, get some stacks and use them while moving around. But yes, this mechanic could be something more engaging! Right now you can also just ignore it and spam Dosis instead. Btw I'm kinda new to extreme trials. If I don't shield the MT regularly... someone will have to heal them. So isn't it better if I get an addersting for the healjob instead of a healer healing without getting anything? Panheima is absolutely dope! Against Zodiark's Styx you just pop it and then wear sunglasses and spam Dosis LMAO
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
It depends right, you can heal most of the damage a Tank takes with just existing and having him as Kardion partner :D. It also depends of course on who your Tank is or how well they manage their defensive cooldowns of course. A warrior can survive on his own without even beeing your Kardion partner 😂 In a controlled raiding environment, it is really rare you actually HAVE to GCD single target. You can always Taurochole or Druochole/Haima. If youre progging a new fight, of course there will be a lot more GCDs used on healing. Its once you get more and more comfortable where you realize the limits of your Job and Party composition. Panhaima IS INSANE right ? Its super fun to use! How do you feel about new AST as a former Astro player ? I love you by the way! Thanks for engaging so much! ❤
@Sankaritarina89
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB thanks for the raid advice! Yeah I agree, kardion is really good. A WHM yesterday wrote to me that before they farmed Zodiark with me, they thought SGE needed a buff but then I proved them wrong and they were totally amazed. The WHM said he had hardly anything to do xD this gets me thinking... Zodiark with 1 SGE might be possible? I haven't tried, but that would mean, more DPS (about AST: I haven't played my AST to 80 yet)
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@Sankaritarina89 Oh yeah you can solo heal Zodiark for sure, if nobody messes up big time and make you do extra work!
@magnuscarlsson9969
2 жыл бұрын
Well there's also this issue when you pair up with a Sage as SCH, I overwrite their shield if i plan to adlo the tank just as a Sage do his single target shield. Given that Adlo have higher potency. This makes the sage get no stacks... What's even worse are if we don't communicate well, if the sage plan to use his pepsis and i have also used succor, well... you see the issue here. I usually just play with my pure heals when i end up paired with a sage(except emergency tactics) considering their shield synergies are more frail then mine. That however makes it way harder to save aetherflow for energy drains, but well "healers adjust".. 🤔
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@magnuscarlsson9969 Yeah, its all about communication between you and your co-healer at that point. I got a Rank 2 combined with a Scholar as Sage, I absolutely love the combo, as i can take take care of one Mechanic myself and they get the next one and after that my CDs are back up and its my turn again :D www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/42/#boss=1058&metric=healercombineddps well we dropped to rank 5 now, but its all Sage/Scholar in front of us mostly. The stacks with the Sage are not that big of an issue, because you dont use single target GCD that much, as stated in the video i dont like the Sage procs and how they work. I just get 3 stacks when there is forced downtime and then have 3 for the rest of the fight. It doesnt hurt that much because its a 0% damage gain. Dosis and Toxicon are both 330 Potency so given you have to use Eukr. Diag to become a stack its acutally -50% damage, as both of those spells could have been Dosis, which would have been 660 Potency.
@dakotaseckman1457
2 жыл бұрын
I don't get the AST complaints. Since the number crunch and healing potency buffs, why do you need to have 5% damage for 15 seconds ever 90 seconds? You don't even get the full use of the 15 seconds if you need to heal and 5% of your damage straight with lightspeed over 15 second is the damage equivalent of like 2 Fall Malefic casts. You already practically heal like white mage and you give a 6% damage buff with your cards almost constantly plus 6% to the whole party with divination every 120 sec. Maybe I don't play AST enough to really see the critical issue? I mean the class pretty much draws tarot cards as the class theme, so what's the point in fortunes if you can just have good fortune all the time?
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
If you get into High-End optimiziation, 5% extra damage every 90 seconds is a DREAM to utilize to its fullest potential. Its not about beeing able to heal like Whitemage or any of that, its about uncontrollable RNG in a High-End raiding environment is not something you strive for in class design IMO. I dont have any malicious intent, but the way you commented, I dont feel like thats the stuff you are into as a healer, so it is natural our oppinions differ. In ShB it was the same thing with 3 different symbols but the RNG was wayyyy more controllable and you felt like you got screwed over way less! Imagine you want to get the BEST DAMAGE run any AST ever got, thats what you want to do, thats what you enjoy and then you keep drawing the same symbols (I am exaggerating here to make a point) but in every other aspect you play your class ABSOLUTELY PERFECT there is nothing skill based you can do but take the L and Players with more luck will have a higher output than you. Thats my problem with it basically and I felt it was way better to manipulate cards in Shadowbringers. Thats why its a downgrade for me in THAT aspect.
@dakotaseckman1457
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB That is a fair complaint, but does that damage you could be contributing extra really matter? Your cast time is faster, costs less, and I've not really failed an ex, savage, or ultimate and thought "If only the AST could have done a little more damage." Didn't Yoshida once say that healers didn't even need to do damage, which implies that fights are tested in bare minimum to moderate damage from healers? It would be weird if the dev team was going to something like The Balance discord to perfect a rotation for healer max dps and then tested the fights that way. But I think I understand you. It just feels worse on a personal level that you cannot get all three every time.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@dakotaseckman1457 Oh of course, for clearing content its absolutely trivial you dont need maximal healer damage. There are barely any DPS checks that require maximum Healer DPS. Its just for your Ego and it just feels really bad :D
@misosoup6201
2 жыл бұрын
Man this is man speaks the truth about how i feel regarding the 1.5 gcd for spells in healers.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Miso Soup! Now I'm hungry ... It is just personal preference at the end of the day. Talked to a lot of healers who thought differently, but I guess we are on the same page :D
@fishbread9208
2 жыл бұрын
My astrologian is only level 60~ so hear me out: I do not play this game optimally at all, but I found astrologian's new ability with the symbols to be pretty bad, especially since it takes 30-90 seconds to get all 3 cards depending on the situation. I rarely actually find myself using it with 3 symbols, usually because the 10% cast speed is not noticeable with already fast casts, and 5% damage being less than you can give yourself with cards. The mana regen, I feel, is the best part about it, seeing as it can be stacked with Lucid in times of crisis, letting you vomit out absurd amounts of healing if needed. It just feels more useful to puke out buffs regardless of your own ability than hope you get 3 symbols for a 5% increase in damage and healing. If the mana regen weren't set to 1 symbol type, it would probably be a different story.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice summary! I can just feel the RNG gods laughing at us, while we pray for 3 different symbols.
@kennys6288
2 жыл бұрын
I think the dmg mit on expedient is better than what you give it credit for. Sure there will be times where it won’t do anything but I think heavy movement + unavoidable raid dmg is pretty common in savage/ultimate. Like E12 for example. I’ve spread, shiva phase, titan phase, lions to name a few.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Yep it is pretty common, BUT having it on 2 buttons would only make it better, not worse I think.
@Orcasgt22
2 жыл бұрын
WHM has so much to press now. Double charges of Divine Benison means you need to be shielding the tank every charge just for melees, Aquaveiling all the TBs. Assize, Lucid Dreaming off CD. Thin Air change is a net buff if you only use it for reses and Medica2/Cure3. Or you can just weave Asylum. The most broken AOE heal of all. Additionally, you are still a WHM. Any massive damage event can be 2 GCDed by you alone with PI and any not medica AOE heal. Sage damage reduction spells stole Temperances spot as best damage mitigation spell but that doesn't mean wings got weaker. They are still VERY good. Lily being a net loss on DPS is rough and should be changed and the stat squish removing my 120k Misery crits is the most painful change of all. But weavable glare is a godsend
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
I see all your points and you are probably even right about all of them! :D I was just super biased at the time of making the video because I personally didnt like the changes. I still 100% think Ast and Sch are better tho. I might have been wrong about sage aswell, was too overhyped for it i guess. I play it in prog and i notice a lot of stuff i dont like! Thanks for sharing your oppinion. ❤
@Orcasgt22
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB I don't disagree with Ast and Sch being better. They have raid wide damage buffs. WHM/Sage does not. As long as thats the case, they will be better. Healing through-put requirements go down as gear, fight knowledge and optimization go up/get better. WHM can out heal non fatal mistakes all day. But if everyone plays perfectly, WHM dps doesn't match up to SCH/AST DPS+the gains there buff give
@michaelflores6253
2 жыл бұрын
I believe for whm they should make some spells ogcds I think it will help a lot. I also like how you theorized in making presences of mind to give a blood Lilly id like to see that. It’s gonna feel a lot like other healers at that point tho. Unless they rework the Lilly system once again. Honestly rn I think it will benefit if most of their healing kit were ogcds
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, it just pales in comparison.
@CollapsedMass
2 жыл бұрын
expendient works os well in hydalen ex where you ahve to dodge spread and move fast. it' has tons of great uses.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Yep there are a lot of great uses even in new Savage, but it would be the same great use if it was 2 buttons imo and it would make SCH more flexible.
@velessia4840
2 жыл бұрын
ohhhh now i understand what feels so off when i play WHM, didn't really paid attentions to changes apart from the new skills, but could feel something wasnt right
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha :D its not that obvious
@moritz7944
2 жыл бұрын
Ich habe gerade mit dem heilen und Fx 14 angefangen als WHM mache mir aber nach diesem Video sorgen dass er für Endgame Content nicht geeignet ist. Soll ich auf Astrologen oder Scholar wechseln? Je nachdem welche von beiden einfacher zu spielen wäre.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Habe das aktuelle Raid-Tier im Endgame mit einem Whitemage an meiner Seite gecleared, mach dir da keine Sorgen. Mir ist nur der Spaß am Job vergangen.
@mauricej007
2 жыл бұрын
Agree with you!!!!
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@joseluisdossantoscruz1102
2 жыл бұрын
Why would you say it's a dps loss to shield your tank on a tank buster if you get the free damage cast? It looks like Dark Knight shield, where he gets an offensive cast and you don't tell DRKs to not use their shield. Would you care to explain?
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Because the shielding on your tank is a GCD and the damage Cast you get afterwards is a GCD with 330 Potency only aswell. Your normal GCD does 330 Potency damage aswell so instead of shielding and doing 330 damage afterwards you could instead of the shield do a normal gcd and do 660 damage overall. If the spell you would get was an OGCD that would be different.
@joseluisdossantoscruz1102
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB I see... Well, I'm "new" to healing. Only played healer on previous expansions to get fast queues for me and my friends, so I'm still learning. But talking in a savage perspective, seems impossible not to use a shield on tank bursts. Most of the time my tanks die, even with Sage's mitigation... I've been called out several times for not using single shield on tanks for Phoinix double tank burst and one of them dies. So... I really don't know what to do. 🥺
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@joseluisdossantoscruz1102 Played the whole raid tier without using single target GCD heal once, but then again I play in a controlled environment and our Tanks are really really good. Do what you have to do to get the content done is what I can say. If your tanks need it, do it, but yeah if tanks space out their own mitigation properly they should have plenty of tools for busters. If they cant tho, you have to be the one who picks up the slack sadly, but thats what we are there for right ? 😄
@joseluisdossantoscruz1102
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB My dream this controlled environment... 🥺 I play on PF...
@misosoup6201
2 жыл бұрын
SCH best since ARR.
@macp988
Жыл бұрын
Started playing recently, after trying all healers Sage is the easiest and most fun, zero casting all instant, u can spam 3 buttons with some dmg inbetween and nothing in ur grp dies. Scholar is similar but u have 50 buttons and u need to hard cast. Whm/astro just boring to play. Sage for life:)
@d.s.dathaniel7552
2 жыл бұрын
It's really a matter of personal preference, when you say if people would like to see black mage with instant cast, I certainly do myself, having so many hard cast is for me the reason I don't main it, feels boring.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely, as far as I remember I said "at least some people would agree with me", I know its not the most popular opinion :D What do you main if youre not into BLM? Did the 2 stacks of tripplecast not convert you :D
@velessia4840
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB im with you on this, at first i couldn't stand blm, that was the last class i levelled on my character, lvl1 to 50 felt clunky and confusing af, but the more i levelled the more i enjoyed it, like you said, for me planning what im going to do given the situation is really satisfying and that's not something i feel playing other jobs, havent started to clear serious content with it yet, but when i do my roulettes i feel like im speedruning the dungeons for the whole party, the 2 stacks of triplecast is insane
@lilyphoniex3757
2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised on how different opinions can be im a WHM main healer and I LOVE the 1.5 cast, in fact my biggest complaint is the lily bell which feels terrible. sure the weave is different now but to be honest its better. whm has NEVER been the weave healer. its the gcd healer. and you really do need the one class that is simple. my only complaint is the lily bell. its way way to specific. I get that the trails had multi hit stacks....but it really only feels applicable to those.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
I think we will learn to love Lilybell much more after the knew savage fights (depending on how applicable it will be) but I can think of lots of old Savage mechs, where it would be great to have auto heal :D But yeah I am really suprised too. Tastes are very different out there :3
@classof09official
2 жыл бұрын
lilybell is great though. it’s the same thing as placing the fairy in the middle. you can heal everyone while they’re spread out
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@classof09official Its super nice yes it has a lot of potential in different situations !
@Hearth_Talk
2 жыл бұрын
the addersting thing proved your not a savage raid healer
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
No savage raids just were not out yet.
@hanshead
2 жыл бұрын
Some damage is unavoidable. And some you can dodge. Speed and DMG helps with both.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but if the damage is unavoidable, why do you need to dodge :D. I mean I get it, but 2 different spells wouldve been supreme!
@toodleselnoodos6738
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB If there are multiple attacks chained together where you need to dodge AND mitigate. EX2 Lightwaves/Echos has a multi-hit stack that can be mitigated, a follow-up spread mechanic that will also be mitigated and dodged while the tanks have a tank stack mechanic to be mitigated. All the while giving the speed for the party to dodge the Lightwaves as they reposition to deal with the follow-up mechanic combo. The faster regrouping really helps with melee and caster uptime. Honestly, in Normal/Roulette content, you won’t really get much value out of it and it’ll either be used for the dodge or the mitigation, rarely both.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@toodleselnoodos6738 True, but that wouldnt change if it was 2 seperate spells would it? you would just have to press 2 OGCDs wich is no problem. And it would come with having the freedom to choose, wich is a HUGE benefit.
@toodleselnoodos6738
2 жыл бұрын
@@AqB I always found that to be the SCH’s shtick lol. It probably would would, but the button bloat would be my concern. I wouldn’t mind if they just cut the duration in half, but also the cooldown. So 10 sec sprint/damage reduction every 60 sec would be fun.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
@@toodleselnoodos6738 Ye the button bloat is really the best argument against it, but then we still have Repose and 2 Different fairies xD I am still a huge fan of EW SCH. I just figured I point something out that I think would improve the job even more. :)
@endocry
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously going to complain about better mobility for WHM? 🤦♂️
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
I know right xD it just puts me off.
@john_7000
2 жыл бұрын
I am sorry but I have to stop the video in the middle when u say Ast lost it flixbility, I am sorry what flixbility oh losing nactural sect plz dude don't be like them, first those sect u only can do them once in the start of an instance and u probably choose one and that's it and second the reason astro had two stances before it because we only had 3 healers back then so since astro was the newest healer it had to do both shield and regan, but since now we got a new healer there is no reason for astro to hold on to that shield sect plz have to understand that astro is not a flixable job it just have two stance for the sake of healing composition, now it doesn't need it anymore PS: noctrual is garabge anyway if anyway one used it they are straight up bad
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
Youe are absolutely right! The changes made perfect sense with the direction they are going with the game overall. I even said that but my phrasing was so bad I cut it out :D hehe. Nocturnal was used in high end raiding OPENERS at least, and for the casual player it was something fun to play around with at least. The question is, would most players rather still have it ?? I'd say there are at least a bunch of sad Astros out there :D You could change Sects multiple time in an instance not only once per instance what you are saying there is just wrong. You couldnt change it while in combat, thats something absolutely different. PLUS you said "plz have to understand that astro is not a flixable job it just have two stance for the sake of healing composition" THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT BEEING FLEXIBLE MEANS :D. If that is not beeing flexible, what is beeing flexible then ?? :D But I dont want to discuss if I am right or you are right, maybe i just put my thoughts out in bad words, because english is not my first language or we just disagree on that. What did you think of the rest of Astro changes and my list ?
@Beckst
2 жыл бұрын
Scholar is no way higher than scholar in Endwalker.
@AqB
2 жыл бұрын
I assume you mean Shadowbringers? Really you think it is worse now then it was before? How come ?
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