You think the government is going to listen to engineers?
@timmurphy5541
8 ай бұрын
Of course they will!!!! How else will they be sure to do the exact opposite if they don't listen?
@RHTeebs
8 ай бұрын
They didn't even listen to doctors.
@DavoInMelbourne
8 ай бұрын
Perhaps the engineers could disguise themselves as Russian oligarchs?
@eldrago19
8 ай бұрын
"Engineers? That sounds suspiciously close to 'Experts'! And we've had quite enough of those."
@chrisbaker5268
8 ай бұрын
Crucially to Euston yes, but unfortunately it was supposed to be ‘crucial’ for Northern England. I used to manage a company making railway bridges and the ‘intent’ and ‘promises’ were for increased capacity for trains travelling to and from The North.
@daveseville7394
8 ай бұрын
Agreed it ought to really go to Waterloo or Scotland. Or link up with HS1 if the freight wasn't used for the HS1 HS2 link
@moonshapedabsolution
8 ай бұрын
It was going to do that, the Tories cancelled all that too
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@daveseville7394 Why link up with Warterloo or Scotland very stupid idea concidering the HS2 line is a domestic Hi Speed line linking Birmingham and Manchester to London Euston and there is no practical or financial reason to join HS2 to HS1 so any freight trains comming from the EU to the UK Midlands and the North via the Channel tunnel get to their destination easily by other routes, no freight trains will use the HS2 route as they will continue to use the existing WCML route
@derektaylor2941
8 ай бұрын
@@peterwilliamallen1063 I am against HS2 and firmly believe that a replacedment Great Central would have served far more people- but that's not what the corrupt PM of the day wanted. However, I am puzzled by your reluctance to link it to HS1. Europe has connected all of its high speed routes and you can- in theory- go from London to just about anywhere by high speed trains, except in UK.
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@derektaylor2941 First you are another person living in a dream world, the Great Central Railway was closed and ripped up in 1966, Nottingham Victoria is now a shopping Center, Tunnel have been blocked up, viaducts destroyed including the bridge over the WCML at Rugby and a large section in the Loughborough area is now owned by a private Steam Railway most of the rest of the Railways trackbed has been rubbed out and the main thing is the Great Central Railway went no where near the main City involved in the HS2 line " Birmingham" and would not of served far more people considering just running from Birmingham it is serving upto 1.5 million people and upto 3 million people if you look at the West Midland Combined area and it is basically a high speed domestic line as a replacement upgrade for the west coast main line alowing more capacity on the WCML. The reason I find every one going on about joining HS2 to HS1 rediculouse as first it is inpractical and there is no call for such a service which was going to be tried when the Channel tunnel opened but cancelled due to no call for such a service and people can fly from Birmingham and Manchester easier to Europe, you mention European Railways run inter country trains across Europe for one country to anouther, the problem is the Channel Tunnel, the trains running from one country to another in the EU is because first all the countries are joined together and are in the shengen area where passports ae not required and their trains are built to the UIC ( Berne Gauge) which allows wider Coach Bodies which would not fit the UK loading gauge through domestic platforms in the UK, No EU Domestic Train runs through the Channel tunnel due to the fact passenger trains running through the channel tunnel have to be to a certain length so if they fail in the tunnel the coach doors will line up with escape tunnels which domestic trains wont do and then causes problems of these trains being too long for UK stations to accomodate, hence only Eurostar being the only operate through the Channel tunnel plus as we are not in the EU, any trains between the EU and the UK are termed as International train service involving passport control and luggage checks and all the HS2 is is a domestic hispeed main line that will be operated by one company, Avanti West Coast/ Trenitalia.
@nicolasblume1046
8 ай бұрын
Without the Euston extension the Elisabeth line would become extremely overcrowded
@GaryJohnWalker1
8 ай бұрын
The high cost has a lot to do with the demands to gold plate HS2 - like tunnels through Chiltern tory constituencies to keep voters sweet. But it must be done properly. And that means to Euston, to Manchester, and even to Leeds. And beyond.
@Luftkuhlt964
8 ай бұрын
Its in a cutting not a tunnel
@MrDavidht
8 ай бұрын
@@Luftkuhlt964Of the 140km of Phase 1 60km are in tunnel.
@RoboJules
8 ай бұрын
HS2 is completely useless without a Euston connection. People want to travel to London, not the suburbs of London, and they want to transfer from HS2 to HS1, not HS2 to the Elizabeth Line to HS1. That could add half an hour on a crowded commuter train to what should be as seamless a travel experience as possible.
@JohnSmall314
8 ай бұрын
Correct Not linking HS2 to HS1 is plain bonkers. The best way that could have been done is to route HS2 down the Lea Valley to join HS1 at Stratford.
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmall314 WHY does a purely domestic Hi speed line, HS2 got to connect to a purly international line HS1, no Domestic Services from Europe travel to the UK only the Internationl trains of Eurostar onnect the UK to the EU so why would our domestic train service travel to the EU when there is no call for such a connection.
@DaveSeville-sf1ku
14 күн бұрын
@@peterwilliamallen1063 So it would regenerate and provide an alternative Stratford Intl-Old Oak Common tunnel compared to the Elizabeth Line. It could also run Ouigo budget Britain Europe High speed trains too with the overcrowding at Eurostar St Pancras, what on earth are you on about?
@peterwilliamallen1063
14 күн бұрын
@@DaveSeville-sf1ku And I must say what the neck are you on about, what has HS2 a purely domestic hispeed line to improve trainservices from Scotland, the North West and Birminghm to London got to do with London Domestic train services and the Elizabeth line. London St Pancras is not over crouded and passengers using HS2 do not require to have an alternative Stratford to Old Oak Common service as people using WCML service do not require to go to Stratford International for any reason let alone domestic HS2 tains going to Europe as All the places North of Watford ie Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland have an adequat cheap air service to Europe from their regional Airports which would be quicker to use and what the heck are you on about "Ouigobudget Britain Europe High Speed trains" no such thing exists.
@rogerwilco2
8 ай бұрын
I thought Sunak cancelled HS2 to cause trouble for the next Labour government?
@MikeWillSee
8 ай бұрын
He cancelled the section north of Birmingham which is the section which makes it actually useful
@silverfox2358
8 ай бұрын
It's class warfare because when it's built and england and the rest of the world use this as a properly built network then it makes these idle rich snotty snobby shit heads irrelevant as it did when the first industrial revolution started boosting wages across the country.
@DavidKnowles0
8 ай бұрын
@@MikeWillSee Event that wouldn't neccessary cause problems, it the fact he downgrading the infrastructure around Birmingham and selling off the land that will make it financially very difficult to reinstate those sections in the future. Plus only building 6 platforms at Euston to permanently limit capacity of the High Speed rail network.
@davidsmith8728
8 ай бұрын
Of course it has got to go to Euston - otherwise the observation by the Economic Forum will come true .... namely that, after having sepnt tens of billions of pounds, people will take longer to travel between London and Birmingham than they do at the moment.
@CRIMSONANT1
8 ай бұрын
HS2 will only go to Euston if private investment is found & to date, there have been NO takers, which is understandable given that HS2 is an environmental disaster of epic proportions & Britain's biggest infrastructure mistake in half a century.
@eddaines237
8 ай бұрын
Which means they’ll continue to use the existing, full route, so no capacity will be freed up on that line, which was the whole reason for the project in the first place! Capacity not speed.
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@eddaines237 The problem is that no one will be ble to use the existing full WCML route when HS2 is open as all Hi Speed Avanti West Coast Trains that currently use the existing WCML will be transfered to use the HS2 route and hardly any trains from the Midlands nd the North West will use the WCML all will use the HS2 route
@josef596
8 ай бұрын
Shame the northern part was scrapped. As usual.
@GarethPW
8 ай бұрын
The apathy of Starmer is so depressing. He could learn a thing or two from his predecessor.
@TheUrbanOutsider
8 ай бұрын
The drone footage is strikingly similar to my footage that I had to do a double take! It's not my footage, but it is lovely!
@8492946able
8 ай бұрын
HS2 must be fully built Both eastern and western legs
@CRIMSONANT1
8 ай бұрын
Haha, there's not a cat in hell's chance of that happening .. get real 🤣
@8492946able
8 ай бұрын
@@CRIMSONANT1 it has to happen as it will free up more capacity on both the ECML and the WCML for the next 50 years That’s what the whole HS2 is designed to deliver
@8492946able
8 ай бұрын
@@CRIMSONANT1 so your happy they have spent around 300 billion each month for the 3 months on attempting to send people to Rwanda
@CRIMSONANT1
8 ай бұрын
@@8492946able .. nonsense, the corruption & lies are only now beginning to surface. HS2 Ltd have hoodwinked the government & the public from day one of this disastrous vanity project. Arguments that the WCML is "full to capacity" rely on a discredited, out of date forecasting model which overestimates long distance passenger growth & isn't used for anything anymore except to justify this monstrous White elephant. Network Rail's "New Lines Programme Capacity Analysis" shows that WCML capacity is kept artificially low by private operators wanting to maximise profits. A DfT analysis shows that in peak hours leaving Euston, WCML trains were loaded at just 52.2 %. What's left of this horrendous vanity project is nothing more than another commuter line between London & Birmingham & within a decade of opening (in about 50 years time given the current rate of progress), will be nothing more than a glorified cycle track. It's been a total shambles from day one & will continue to be so until someone has the courage to say enough is enough & put it out of its misery.
@CRIMSONANT1
8 ай бұрын
@@8492946able.. I suggest you do some research .. £300 BILLION per month for 3 months? Where on earth did you get that figure from - that's 3 times the cost of HS2 😂
@StephenHamblet
8 ай бұрын
Of course it will go to Euston. There'll be a replacement bus service like there is for the rest of the UK rail network.
@GarethPW
8 ай бұрын
NIMBYs and economically illiterate Tories killed this project. This country is so disappointing
@DaveSeville-sf1ku
14 күн бұрын
No only the Thames Valley And South Midlands nimbies
@tintin_999
8 ай бұрын
Give the money to Leeds, they need a train across their city more than London. They'd do it at lower cost too.
@Deepthought-42
8 ай бұрын
This title is a misleading. 😡 It should be called HS1.5 to highlight the inadequacy of Backwater Britain It neither starts nor finishes in the places it was intended. The EU is linking all its major cities with High Speed Rail. There should be high speed rail through routes from European cities major cities in UK to promote growth and development.
@86wellacre
8 ай бұрын
In reality it should be going to Manchester and even to Scotland to get the most benefit from the project. Hopefully when the line is running they see sense and stop short-term thinking.
@Luftkuhlt964
8 ай бұрын
I actually think 200bn is a bargain. It should go to Manchester and beyond.
@bidaddy56asda77
8 ай бұрын
What a waste of money if it only goes from Birmingham to London
@peterwilliamallen1063
7 ай бұрын
No HS2 trains will go to Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland
@Bl0ckHe1d
8 ай бұрын
What about the link to Scotland…?
@erikr286
8 ай бұрын
The government can't even get it to Manchester. If there's an HS3 to Scotland, it'll probably be done in 2100 or get the axe anyway
@njp9554
8 ай бұрын
And north east of England anorl
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
The SNP can pay for that !!
@Bl0ckHe1d
8 ай бұрын
@@peterwilliamallen1063 what has the SNP got to do with it?
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@Bl0ckHe1d Rather a lot actually because for years they have been wasting tax payers money trying to get Independance from the UK which they wont ever get, and as Scotland has it's own cash cow off the UK Government in millions of pounds in the Barnet Formula payment from the UK Government if they want a link to HS2 they can pay for it
@normhanson981
8 ай бұрын
Useless government
@Guy-Zero
8 ай бұрын
Im not from the UK but I know a bit about HS2 and honestly with all the cuts already if they dont even link it to Euston station than whats the whole point of this project anyway? With all the cuts/cancelled plans it already lost a lot of its usefulness already. Not even linking it to central London would make this a laughing stock of a project
@DaveSeville-sf1ku
14 күн бұрын
Cheers Tom
@JohnSmith-xl8cb
8 ай бұрын
The Public Accounts Committee report also said it was "sceptical" government would attract enough private investment to build a key new station at Euston.
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
The Public Accounts Commitee are a pain in the arse and the downfall of HS2
@jacksugden8190
8 ай бұрын
Or the lines of no real importance
@DM-it2ch
8 ай бұрын
HS2...... £120 BILLION to get from just outside London to not too far away from Birmingham, 20 minutes quicker than it takes to get from London to Birmingham. Never, in the field of civil engineering, has so much money been wasted, by so many people, on something so stupid.
@trinity1181
8 ай бұрын
pointless unless it goes to Euston
@ipwood
8 ай бұрын
Give it a rethink and connect to HS1 instead
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
For what reason should HS2 connect to HS1, there is no reason for this idea.
@ipwood
8 ай бұрын
@@peterwilliamallen1063If you live north of London there’s every reason to have direct services to Paris.
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@ipwood Yes we have those direct services to France and Paris, they are called cheap flights from Birmingham Airport and Manchester Airport by Airlines such as Air France, Ryan Air and Easy Jet, so if we have these why do we need to drive into Central Birmingham when you can park your car at Birmingham Airport or Drive to to Central Manchester to travel 90 miles down to London, trundle across London then travel from Stratford International to Paris, and do not mention that the train goes to Central Paris which it does because this does not mean that you are visiting Central Paris so either way you would need to get a Taxi from the Stationin Central Paris or Charles De Gaul Airport to where you neded to go in Paris. This ha been tried years ago and never worked out so was cancelled
@lawrencebishton9071
8 ай бұрын
has it made it past starbucks counter yet ???
@AndrewLumsden
8 ай бұрын
Where was Geoff!?
@goodwood-rc4nx
2 ай бұрын
should not only go to Euston also dig the tunnel to Euston Square
@davidwebb4904
8 ай бұрын
Why are we paying 5x the standard industry rate for this work?
@JohnSmall314
8 ай бұрын
"Why are we paying 5x the standard industry rate for this work?" Corruption. But it's the legalised form of corruption, not plain simple cash in suitcases type. It's a chain of contractors, sub-contractors, sub-sub-contractors, management consultants and various parasites. All perfectly legal because the law is arranged to allow that kind of corruption to be legal. The net result is the same as the illegal forms of corruption. Public money gets poured into a project,. not much actual infrastructure is built and a lot of rich people miraculously become even richer as if by magic. You can tell that there's a lot of barely legal corruption going on in the UK because the existing networks that channel public money into private pockets went into overdrive during the pandemic. The fact that the only thing that worked efficiently during the pandemic was the sudden appearance of a fast track to millions conveyor belt for friends of Tory ministers. Which implies that had always been there but not quite so blatant. We're seeing more and more of that kind of thing as the Tories strip the country bare before they're kicked out. We have the case of prime development land being sold off to mates of a Tory mayor for £1 per acre. And now the government having bankrupted local councils is going to force them to sell off public property to mates of Tory ministers and other Tory party donors. We're paying 5x the industry standard for a railway line because the Tories are corrupt. It's that simple.
@TrevorWilliams-fq8mg
8 ай бұрын
With construction projects of this nature, there is no such thing as a standard cost as there are too many variables such as thousands of planning conditions to comply with that bear no comparable resemblance to each other and hundreds of road diversions all with different solutions because they all differ to each other and varying ground conditions.requiribg different foundation solutions.
@paulasser1589
8 ай бұрын
Of course they want it to go to Euston, it keeps them in work. If it doesn’t it will be the biggest waste of money ever spent by any government
@leedza
8 ай бұрын
It would be a missed opportunity. Really. Joining HS1 to HS2 could be a reasonable business case considering they crapped the northen part.
@johnburns4017
8 ай бұрын
No need to go to Euston. Continue the tunnel from Old Oak Coomon going the extra mile to HS1. The Liverpool, Glasgow, Birmingham and Manchester will have continental access. Job done.
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
Liverpool, Glasgow, Manchester and Birmingham already have access to tthe EU, they are called Airports and planes. All these airports have fast cheap flights to Europe and who wants to sit 9 hours on a train from Glasgow/ Edinburgh to Paris when it can be done in 3 hours by flying.
@johnburns4017
8 ай бұрын
@@peterwilliamallen1063 Amazing. Truly amazing.
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@johnburns4017 Yes it is isn't John Burns, are you a relsation of Jmes Monks who also comes up with daft ideas about HS2, why when it is easier to get to Birmingham Airport parking wise and Cheaper and Qucicker and take just as long to get through imigration and Customs would I want to spend 4 to 5 hours on a train to Paris from Birmingham when it is quicker to Fly and not only that you are not always going to the Centre of Paris to do business so taking a Taxi from the Airport or Central of Paris Station to companies in the out skirts of Paris makes no odds. Just believe there is no call from Birmingham or the North West for a train service through the Channel tunnel to the EU, it has been tried and failed and no one is going to build special trains to go through the Channel Tunnel when no one wants to use them
@johnburns4017
8 ай бұрын
@@peterwilliamallen1063 Amazingly, he goes on.
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@johnburns4017 Well John Burns amazingly you seem to as well by keep going on about stupid rubbish on HS2 mate, I have read your comments like James Monks and why you have the infatuation of the fairy story of a link between HS2 aand HS1 beggers belief, if I had the choice of goung by train from Birmingham Curzon Street which won't have any Car Parks and Flying to Europe From Birmingham Airport which will be served by trains from Birmingham New Street,Birmingham Curzon Street and all over the Country, Taxies, fantastic local bus and Coach connections and loads of Car Parks for quickness, cost and convienence I like most people would Fly
@fatwalletboy2
8 ай бұрын
We dont need to be engineers to know this......
@dep7229
8 ай бұрын
What’s the point in HS2 now that the north is cut off 😡
@peterwilliamallen1063
7 ай бұрын
It is not cut off as the HS2 line will connect onto the WCML at Handsacre in Staffordshire
@misfit2022
8 ай бұрын
What about the millions Londoners have been conned out of under the guise of Ulez? If not bus replacement service from Acton
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
It is funny that BBC London Newsreaders don't seem confident of HS2 a high speed rail link to the rest of the Country termiinating at Euston, but when it comes down to a new tube line they postively salavate at the thought of it yet these cost millions but do nothing to any one but London
@Hiro_Trevelyan
8 ай бұрын
Among the richest country on the planet and still can't build proper HSR. Sorry, but that's pretty pathetic. Waiting for private funding is the best way to end up with an ugly mall-station instead of a proper train station designed for passengers and not for profit. That's what they tried to do with Gare du Nord in Paris but thankfully, the project was cancelled.
@alsp2
8 ай бұрын
How the fuck did they get 10 years into digging a trench through Euston but have no idea what they are building? This project is run by clowns.
@Rorschach.
8 ай бұрын
Completely and utterly irrelevant now. Yours, The North.
@samplechannel2fiyd5idjfufjfud
8 ай бұрын
in 2050
@JohnSmall314
8 ай бұрын
Unless the line goes to Euston it's effectively a line to nowhere. It would be faster to get the existing train from Birmingham to Euston than to get the HS2 and have to change on the way. But I see an even bigger problem. HS2 doesn't link up with HS1 all the way to the continent. Who's idea was that? It should have been possible to route HS2 down the Lea Valley to join HS1 at Stratford and have a clear run all the way from Birmingham to Paris and beyond. Also going down the Lea Valley would avoid all the problems they now have tunnelling under NW London.
@Ben-yp9nh
7 ай бұрын
Lmao what a joke this country is. All the money it’s already costing and it isn’t even going to Euston?! What is the point!.?!
@infohound41
8 ай бұрын
I really hope that it doesn't go to Euston just to make the Tories look as stupid as possible.
@tigertiger1699
8 ай бұрын
Just build it UK
@Domdeone1
8 ай бұрын
No coffers to be extracted by the taxpayer & no private investor surprise surprise
@gordonjohnson8432
8 ай бұрын
What about the North West????...Dont matter ITS NORTH OF BIRMINGHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@davidwebb4904
8 ай бұрын
This project is blatant theft. The london to Birmingham section is £15 Billion-£20 Billion max.
@TrevorWilliams-fq8mg
6 ай бұрын
Have you priced the scheme to know that then ?.
@davidwebb4904
6 ай бұрын
@@TrevorWilliams-fq8mg Yeah I have. I've got a whole bunch of FOI results also. This is blatant money laundering/theft. There's no other explanation for paying 5x the market rate.
@ram64man
8 ай бұрын
It should not only go to Euston but also link east with hs1 with a outer london station or essex station I still feel the low used hs1 Stratford international to be a good choice, we have to get out of the habit of everything to london central ulez proves the east is woefully inadequate to get around if you haven’t got a car , or rely on public transit it rake 2 hours to go from north to east there has to be a loop built that takes that in
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
Yep and connect with Cardif, Swnseaa, Douglas, Oban and the isle wight, god what silly ideas people have of HS2
@ram64man
8 ай бұрын
@@peterwilliamallen1063 i honestly feel that that is needed as part of hs3/4
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@ram64man There is no HS 3/4 only HS2
@ram64man
8 ай бұрын
@@peterwilliamallen1063 like the government north of Leeds we can plan for it
@peterwilliamallen1063
8 ай бұрын
@@ram64man Problem HS2 isn't going North of Leeds, That is thterrotory of LNER and the ECML.HS2 is WCML project that is run by Avanti West Coast Trains
@chrisgreenwood9835
8 ай бұрын
Euston is a cr*p terminus. Best to change at OOC onto Liz Line and end up anywhere in Central London
@Peter-mj6lz
8 ай бұрын
The Liz Line would be overcrowded then and the interchange would cost time
@srpacific
8 ай бұрын
Hang on, what? Isn't this the point? Will we now have to pay the consultants and analysts and scores of engineers another few billion to get it done? The government is being robbed, in broad daylight, over this debacle.
@gazmothedamaja
8 ай бұрын
HS2 should never have been given the go-ahead.
@8492946able
8 ай бұрын
HS2 is designed to minimise journey times between London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds and it will also free up more capacity on both the ECML and the WCML for the next 50 years That’s what the whole HS2 is designed to deliver
@gdwnet
8 ай бұрын
@@8492946able and how is that going so far?
@Mgameing123
8 ай бұрын
HS2 is unavoidable. The West Coast Mainline & East Coast Mainline are pretty much at capacity and these are some the UK's most busiest lines.
@gdwnet
8 ай бұрын
@@8492946able and how is that going so far?
@gdwnet
8 ай бұрын
@@Mgameing123 _The West Coast Mainline & East Coast Mainline are pretty much at capacity_ Because?
@dougaltolan3017
8 ай бұрын
Well of course they do, they get £ for every mile.
@derektaylor2941
8 ай бұрын
Can so few people see that HS2 was only ever about setting up the infrastructure in order to build new Cities over the Chilterns? The business case for it originally is pointless, but now that areas of outstanding natural beauty have been desecrated by this monstrosity, people's resistance to concreting it over will be lowered. It's a little like town bypasses... No one wants to see their town expand but they're happy to have a bypass. Once that bypass is built then they are less resistant to the town being expanded as far as the bypass. The same principle is being used here. Does anyone really think that this was ever about anything other than that? The main argument of relieving pressure on the Southern WCML is laughable and anyone with half a brain knows why HS2 will make no difference there.
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