One of the most incisive explanations I’ve heard of LIE yet - good shit
@mattevans8090
Ай бұрын
Seriously- no one talks about the emotional security needs of LIE. Everyone focuses on just paints them as strategic business moguls and entrepreneurs. This depiction however talks addresses the core of the personality rather than just surface appearance.
@soulsentai825
2 ай бұрын
goated video. glad to see how the misconceptions and ideas about LIE hold up to the actual characterization of them. it's crazy how much discourse about these types distorts the reality of them
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Cheers bud
@solomonsurmounter-growth
2 ай бұрын
Tbh, this sounds a lot like an ILE description to me. I would even type Tony stark as an ILE.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
This is LIE description in classic socionics, as far as i know you use western socionics so the perception and understanding of things will not align in every single aspect
@dhb1148
2 ай бұрын
Do you use western socionics? Because in classic socionics, that is an LIE.
@dhb1148
2 ай бұрын
Just from the Super ego block explanation, I already understood how exactly the LIE works with SP7.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
How would you describe it?
@dhb1148
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted Living for the future, not valuing mundane life and not wanting to show if they feel negatively. All for the sake of not disrupting the atmosphere could work as "not wanting to get into beef with people because they could be convenient as allies". The mobilizing Se description fits 3F quite nicely, by the way.
@mattg1419
2 ай бұрын
This series is very good! Hope you talk about other types. When I looked into classic socionics, my perception on the types changed considerably (I'm considering EII for me).
@jasonbtg
2 ай бұрын
Related heavily to the parts about interpersonal relationships, disdain for the mundane, constantly working on projects, optimism towards future plans and exerting will parts. Great video. Would I be biased in saying we are one of the best types?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
You're LIE af anyway so it makes sense but i would genuinely say this is one of the most based types in my eyes
@ronyg.4942
2 ай бұрын
Finally, Tony Stark is properly typed.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Nice to see someone agree
@offenjoyer
2 ай бұрын
True
@maverick.tough23
2 ай бұрын
LIE in socionics and EN(T) in Jung
@offenjoyer
2 ай бұрын
@@maverick.tough23 yeah ISFP and SLE
@maverick.tough23
2 ай бұрын
@@offenjoyer SLE doesnt fits as Fi-dom and Te inferior. But jungian EN(T) works well with LIE
@shaneaverystarr
2 ай бұрын
I find it interesting how we can compare and contrast the LIE with the MBTI ENTJ; while there are some points of overlap, they are definitely different personalities.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
I think they're pretty much the same, and i mean the TRUE MBTI ENTJ not the stereotyped version, this quote is from Grifts Differing by Myers "ENTJs look at the world with intuition rather than sensing, so they are mainly interested in the possibilities beyond the present, obvious, or known. Intuition heightens their intellectual interest, curiosity about new ideas (whether immediately useful or not), tolerance for theory, taste for complex problems, insight, vision, and concern for long-range possibilities and consequences. ENTJs are seldom content in a job that makes no demand on intuition. They need problems to solve and are likely to be expert at finding new solutions. Their interest is in the broad picture, however, not in detailed procedures or facts. Executives of this type are likely to surround themselves with other intuitives, because they like people who are quick on the uptake, with minds that work in the same fashion as their own, but they do well to have at least one good sensing type on their staff to keep them from overlooking relevant facts and important details."
@gert-jantenham672
2 ай бұрын
I agree. I am an ENTJ and I cannot imagine being any other socionics type than LIE.
@shaneaverystarr
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted Most ENTJs from MBTI circles I've met resonate most with SLE in Socionics (rightly or wrongly Enneagram 8 also). Perhaps this connection is an illusion, and these guys are mistyping themselves.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Yes, that is based on stereotypes of ENTJ rather than what an actual MBTI ENTJ is like so i am not surprised, the quote i have sent was actually from Myers official source so it's legit.
@gert-jantenham672
2 ай бұрын
@@shaneaverystarr At all, I do not resonate with SLE. Also, I am not compatible with enneagram 8's motor-sensory dominance and groundednes. I used to test enneagram 8 all the time, but even the paid assessments don't mention this fundamental part of being enneagram 8.
@rimyagami
Ай бұрын
i absolutely love your vids rusted i’m rewatching LIE and it’s sooooo real, anyways i never miss a video of yours, just wanted to show appreciation, keep going i love your channel💪🏼
@anyasoares1758
2 ай бұрын
I’ve been wondering about being a possible LIE lately, but I’ve always thought I’m probably an ethical type because I’m warm and empathetic - but I really relate to this explanation of Fe role, and being a positive person in general whilst also having that TeNi sigma grindset going on. I’m probably biased but classical socionics seems like the way to go tbh. Nice video
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Just out of curiousity, have you ever considered EIE?
@anyasoares1758
2 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s not out of the question but I don’t think I feel comfortable enough with Fe to have it as a base function
@rakhatkupeev0311
2 ай бұрын
How do you type Walter White, Dr. Strange, Harvey Specter in Enneagram?
@realSimoneCherie
2 ай бұрын
Im an ENTJ and resonate with so much of this until I hear things like “process” or “efficiency” - i am regularly at odds with ESTJ’s because so often those are their priorities and not mine. Though I am impatient and individualistic, I pursue bold goals - I am motivated by justice and boldness, not just completion.
@natsur1361
2 ай бұрын
I agree with this, but do you think Tony Stark's relationship with Captain America is dual or conflictors? I thought they were conflictors. Any thoughts on the possibility of SEI SO9 for Captain America? LIE SEI relationship >>> ILE ESI relationship
@inspektorsx683
2 ай бұрын
OMG Finally Tony Stark typed correctly 💪🏻
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Cheers
@choonblaze
Ай бұрын
It's hopeless though like a huge majority of people on PDB are noobs and type him as a Ne dom due to learning everything from mbti memers
@Andrew-qc8jh
2 ай бұрын
Great work man, to call the LIE as an unemotional bastard who doesnt take responsibility for the environment. I feel has been pushed for too long. Edit: if you look at Ray Dalio, an obvious LIE. A lot of what you said matches him. He is a mediator and sage for the nations of the world. Impressive individual and obviously not an unemotional individual who doesnt take responsibility for others
@Andrew-qc8jh
2 ай бұрын
BTW rusty, there is guy on KZitem called "nomad capitalist" a social 5 LIE. He is interesting to look at to see another example of an enneagram 5 LIE.
@BK_0017
2 ай бұрын
Great video, LIE seem much more sanguine than ILE with that Role Fe+ but not sure if they are pure sanguine though. ILE seem more sanguine-melancholic in classic socionics because of their mood swings.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Nah not pure sanguine, that's more IEE reserved or even ESE, but LIE's sanguine-coded nature is very underrated and people in western just mistype it as "alpha quadra and mistyped ILE"
@giusemineo
2 ай бұрын
Please make a video on ILEs!! Thank you for this one in the meanwhile 🔥
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
It will be done buddy
@themarshian5124
2 ай бұрын
Could you do a video on the functions & how likely they are to be able to comprehend abstract concepts.
@nabilhoussaini4285
2 ай бұрын
Very nice explanation. I hope the next one concerns the ILE so that we can correctly identify the similarities and differences between quasi-identical types. Because I imagine I wasn't the only one, but this description made me think more of the idea we have of the ILE / SO7 / VLxx than the SO3 / FLVE.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
I had a few western users come and say this sounds like alpha quadra ILE so yeah you ain't the only one
@wise71
2 ай бұрын
Please do s a video on ILI and IEI next!
@Sol_Invictus77
2 ай бұрын
The "lighthearted" stereotype doesn't really work well with ILE, since we are both 3E and fe-. We can certainly be that way but also quite melancholic and moody at other times. "Lighthearted" fits with 4E much better imo (excluding E1). Take Elon Musk (ILE So 7 VLEF) for example. He is a big troll but also is quite sad at times, which is seen when he is interviewed. Combination of sanguine and melancholic.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
It's coming across as a shock for many people as you can see in the comment section, they relate this quality to the ILE and also alpha quadra, and all along it was the LIE, typology is a funny thing
@Sol_Invictus77
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_RustedWhat do you think about Zuckerberg being LII So 6 LVFE?
@CamGotHits
2 ай бұрын
Not all ile’s are 3E, I’m sp7 and 4e
@jhor729
21 күн бұрын
Phoebe Waller Bridge is similar. @@Just_Rusted
@voodoochild555
2 ай бұрын
Top noch explanation and great example that typing someone using quadras is often based on stereotypes and leads to mistype. I’m waiting for a video about SLI, but it probably won’t happen very soon lol
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Thank you bud, i might make SLI soon SLE next, then ESI and maybe SLI
@PathFinder9-v4j
2 ай бұрын
Your typology videos are best Rust. So according to this portrait what enneagram and psychosophy types fit best?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Thank you pathfinder, appreciate the support. With this portrait it would be VLFE for sure And Enneagram 7, specifically probably Social 7
@PathFinder9-v4j
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted Appreciate for the response. SO3 and FLVE still a thing for classic LIE description or nah?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
I think it works
@kerbalscuffedprogram4705
2 ай бұрын
Any videos on ILI(_2) coming?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Will come for sure, i will be making all portraits
@wise71
2 ай бұрын
I would argue that Tony Stark is an ENTP. He creates and plays with logic way too much to be an LIE.
@choonblaze
Ай бұрын
You've just described Te dom behavior lmfao
@wise71
Ай бұрын
@@choonblaze If this is Te dom behavior, what is Ti dom behaivor?
@choonblaze
Ай бұрын
@@wise71 you can read classic jungian descriptions of both IT(N) and IT(S) which are several pages long or learn about Ti-Fe and Fi-Te axis in socionics which are also called subjectivist and objectivist. Make sure to read about the dichotomies as well. Reinin's dichotomities then give birth to temperaments and cognitive styles which have their own long descriptions. Good luck.
@alialiraqi2664
2 ай бұрын
Strangely i am iLi and Fi and Fe is 100% true in my case as well.
@original2250
Ай бұрын
You are making us superheroes
@Kaiser_0330
2 ай бұрын
Good video rust, i´ll be waiting for the SLE video
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
SLE is next
@dozdano
2 ай бұрын
Gay circlejerker type irl🤧. Does anyone know about Nate Diaz type? Many argue about sp8,sx4,...
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Nate maybe SX8
@rpd0825
2 ай бұрын
Accurate vid, good job
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
What do you think of the LIE portrait in classic? Do you relate to it?
@solomonsurmounter-growth
2 ай бұрын
@9:35 being optimistic and certain of the future is an indication that their intuition is bold. LIEs have cautious intuition therefore they are more careful when hedging against the future.
@rakhatkupeev0311
2 ай бұрын
Bro, you are arguing based on your knowledge on WSS against the SCS LIE description
@yaakovbarrokion7650
2 ай бұрын
This description seens correlate heavily with Sp7. Do you think Dr Doom is also LIE?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Possibly
@yaakovbarrokion7650
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted My guess is Sp3 VLFE LIE.
@alialiraqi2664
2 ай бұрын
Have Lie so3 nephew he wants to be Journalist so the whole society knows who he is😂
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Do you get along?
@alialiraqi2664
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted yes and very well.. The Enfj i know same. I think its possible that because of the Ni we all 3 share.
@rupiik
2 ай бұрын
Nice.
@SunlightMoonlight10
2 ай бұрын
Hi Rust, is LIE sp3 still a thing? javier_mf and rwvry already cancelled it, so I wonder what you think about it
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Hey. Javier retyped to LSE SP3 instead, i think he is a sensing type indeed. I don't see SP3 fitting the portrait of the LIE but i am opened to being proven wrong
@felipecarvalho6275
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted What type do you think Walter White is?
@rakhatkupeev0311
2 ай бұрын
According to the video description of LIE, you make it look like an SO7 which was a denied correlation, ironic. Great video as always👍 By the way, could you tell the differences between SP7 or SO7 related to LIEs?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Cheers, i mean it does seem that way yeah, i think steve jobs was SO7 SP7 LIE is simply less of a social idealist and uses his Te and Ni for purposes to gain an upper hand and leverage in situations, to provide for themselves the things that their superego needs, be more individualistic
@rakhatkupeev0311
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted yeah, thanks
@choonblaze
Ай бұрын
Excellent. It's crazy the amount of noobs who type him as ENTP
@linnaeusa
2 ай бұрын
What would be the differences between SP7 and SO7 LIE? Currently, is FLVE or VLFE suitable for SP7 LIE?
@ShowtimeYikes
28 күн бұрын
I personally accept FLVE SP7 and VLFE SO7 and tbh they aren't crazily different. Subtype descriptions are hyper-specific for a reason: to accentuate how an aspect like the social instinct changes the core. The differientiation factor is dependent on the person but as for beliefs, ofc, SO7 adheres more to super-egoic demands and has more of the classic E7 rationalization and makes them believe they are more righteous or ideal than they actually are. SP7 is much more hedonistic and less responsible/dutiful and likely won't indulge in image shenanigans without a benefit. SP7s tend to pretend they are invincible/secure whereas the ideal for SO7 centers around a supernatural righteousness or extraordinaryness.
@erenay3511
2 ай бұрын
Good shit bro nice video❤️
@vengarrote1221
2 ай бұрын
Seeing as you type Tony Stark as LIE and SO 7 if i remember correctly, does that mean you believe that ILE is not the only sociotype correlated to SO 7?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Yes, the portrait of the LIE to me seems E7 > E3 and it seems more SO7 . Steve Jobs was an example of that i think
@Sol_Invictus77
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted based, Steve Jobs didn't seem to be sp3 at all to me. So 7 fits much better.
@jolintsaiforever3697
2 ай бұрын
What made u think he was an ile in the past
@bobyrob9261
Ай бұрын
Spot on. Thanks
@maverick.tough23
2 ай бұрын
The funny thing is that hes EN(T) in Jung
@ElizaFragmented
2 ай бұрын
Do you do typings?
@zab8950
2 ай бұрын
Rust please do a ESE one !!
@DenDrage
2 ай бұрын
Brosky why Tony Stark tho? Isn’t ILE a better fit for him. 7:30 here what you say does not add up with his actions, he is too impulsive nor does he try to tell people what to do. kzitem.info/news/bejne/sm-J12ucoZGilKgsi=y6rdTGIXFpNaVXr6
@wyraven
2 ай бұрын
Your link just shows him using Te. Tony's Fe is conscious (Role), he is constantly trying to lift up the mood of people around him and he pays attention to the way they do things to maximize the efficiency of his own and others' actions. ILEs are focused on exploring the potential of things, not on correcting other people's work. kzitem.info/news/bejne/y6OK16h7rZ6EhZg This scene shows Te lead, and why he's a Dynamic type, he pays attention to whatever is going on in the moment around him, people's work and actions and tells them how and what to do. This is Te. Tony's Ne is Demonstrative, it's why he trusts his own potential and capabilities and likes to show these qualities off.
@DenDrage
2 ай бұрын
@@wyravenI get what you are saying, but that scene was more like him trying to mock others than actually telling them what to do. Also he is clearly Fe valuing and Fi PolR fits better. What are your thoughts?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
What makes him Fe "valuing" in your eyes?
@wyraven
2 ай бұрын
@@DenDrage The concept of “Fe valuing” is false, LIEs use more Fe that ILEs do, and they are more confident doing so. This idea is a western idea, which is not Classic Socionics. Mocking people or not doesn't exclude the fact that he was using Te and that it's a Dynamic approach to things. ILE is a Static type. Fi PoLR doesn't really fit better. He is constantly trying to get rid of his responsability in Fi matters, this is Superid Fi, not Superego Fi.
@DenDrage
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted all those dramatic expressions and seeking to get a reaction out of other people is more Aplha Qudra, that is how they are defined right. also ILE is 'Democratic' which is a better description for Tony as opposed to the Gamma Quadra's ‘Aristocratic’ blend. and the problem I have with Tony being a LIE is also that both Tony and Cap are supposed to be duals if we go by that... XD, when all the while till the end they were on each others a**. with conflictor ILE & ESI intertype relations.
@xubyruby5491
2 ай бұрын
Do you still type Stark SO7?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Yes
@Sol_Invictus77
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted VLFE?
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Probably yeah, VLEF can work if we assume that he had struggles in intimate relations and was very awkward with it but him being 4F was always kinda fcking weird to begin with VLFE can work
@AbuAb-ls8vy
10 күн бұрын
@@Just_Rusted what do you think about SP 7 for him?
@shaneaverystarr
2 ай бұрын
Insightful video. Definitely not my type...
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
Do you type SLE?
@shaneaverystarr
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rusted Gulenko typed me SLE, but with my need for structure I resonate more with LSI. (ISTJ-MBTI Enneagram 1 )
@shaneaverystarr
2 ай бұрын
Jack caught me at What I think was a transitional period in my life and tied to me as SEE. Well I can understand how and even why that happened, I do not identify with this type or others of this type in terms of everyday personality traits; a majored in philosophy and theology, my work involves a lot of accounting, and my habits and social life are very bland. Morally strict, and I'm a Catholic on top of that.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
LSE might be the answer here
@alialiraqi2664
2 ай бұрын
Entj so1 possible?
@pathetic.96
2 ай бұрын
Basically an archetype
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
ESTJ
@rpd0825
2 ай бұрын
@@Just_Rustedwith the E1 book turning the SO1 into an intellectual character using that intellectualism to prove/forward their Te judgements makes me more open to it now. I think both LxE could work
@flanker_yt4516
2 ай бұрын
It fits only in SCS but I'm not sure if it does fit in other systems like WSS
@solomonsurmounter-growth
2 ай бұрын
Finally but no way Tony Stark is an LIE
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
What do you type him and why?
@solomonsurmounter-growth
2 ай бұрын
@Just_Rusted ILE, Ne lead. With flexible Ti and Te. He doesn't have the rigid thinking of the LIE (Te stubborn and inert). Tony starks interaction is too light hearted and seeking to create positive emotions which is pure Alpha quadra. Gamma types do not seek to uplift ppls moods or create a fun environment with witty remarks to communicate with others. I can keep going, tbh but I don't want to type too much.
@masterprocrastinator6026
2 ай бұрын
@@solomonsurmounter-growthAgreed.
@Just_Rusted
2 ай бұрын
"They enjoy doing science or any other objective work that they find promise in. LIEs work quickly; any work that they touch fizzles away. So much so that they walk in a peculiar way: slightly bouncy, and if possible, preferring to run. A representative of this type, Jack London, took up many careers in his life: a courier, a worker, a prospector, a sailor, and even a writer. In his mind, this was his self-sacrifice: work in the name of art and in the name of success." "The LIE reacts quickly to anything that evokes emotions - especially positive ones. They are programmed to raise the mood of their dual, who are always somewhat frightened or angry. The LIE constantly radiates friendliness, positive emotions, and smiles. They try to make their partners laugh, lighten the mood in every possible way, and poke at them until they get a positive or negative reaction from them. If the LIE does not get a reaction, then they won’t know about their condition." All of this is simply part of the source. I would not describe LIE's Ni creative as "cautious" since we have this "[This] function is more creative, less balanced, more interested in prestige, more prone to working “for the audience”. People are never shy about it [similarly to the leading function], but there is a noticeable tendency to “show off”, to “shine”, to use it as a universal tool. Quite often the creative function is even somewhat speculative or coquettish*. There is a desire to attract attention, to show one’s strength and abilities, to surprise and amaze." Te base is not supposed to be that rigid in logic anyway as they are Ti ignoring and then we have this quote "At the same time, if others’ perception of something related to the individual’s [leading] function is different or incorrect, the individual may find it surprising or even funny, but it does not cause anger or outrage. Freedom of thought and action is recognized for everyone."
@PharelleJackson
2 ай бұрын
@solomonsurmounter_ Yeah, solomon, I thought you were to being open to for People being other types instead of they the original type if they give a good reason why they are that type, Plus Me being a marvel fan and watched And read Iron man movies and comics 160 times plus rust giving a good explanation and reason of how Lie is I can Agree with Tony Stark being Lie - ENTJ. Wisdom for the future solomon Look at all the facts and be honest with yourself
@trsitianniebla
2 ай бұрын
tony stark anything other than ne base is peak brainrot
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