Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, kzitem.infoUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.
@LAlonzo70
3 жыл бұрын
please tell Ryan that Howa (1500) has the safety he’s been looking for ...
@stevetipene3319
3 ай бұрын
yes....that is exactly what the 1500 Howa safety is Ryan
@infantilepillock1687
3 жыл бұрын
The Tikka T3Xs are very popular around here too, together with the über expensive Blaser R8. Please do a talk about the mighty .222 Remington. Greetings from Germany.
@carfvallrightsreservedwith6649
3 жыл бұрын
Don't need to convince me..., used to shoot one in Remington 788. Uber accurate and fastest lock-time still.
@walterquick8649
2 жыл бұрын
SAKO!! BROTHER!!
@bboness713
2 жыл бұрын
Cute girl in the hackground picture. Nice design for the studio
@tc8359
3 жыл бұрын
Now let's hear about best budget scopes to pair with these rifles
@jasonw598
3 жыл бұрын
Check out the primary arms FFP 4 × 14 × 44 arc 2. Great glass, great price! You won't be disappointed.
@mathewt767
3 жыл бұрын
Swfa
@MrT13
3 жыл бұрын
@@mathewt767 my man 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@mathewt767
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrT13 Best scopes I've ever used. I have 5 of them.
@MrT13
3 жыл бұрын
@@mathewt767 hell yea. Absolutely rock solid. Super clear. And track 100% I’ve got 3 you got me beat lol. But they are fantastic. I had the fixed 10 on my pig gun up until this last weekend. I got a cheaper night vision deal that records also. Maybe it stays on. Maybe not lol. Probably not. I’ve beat the hell out of that scope for about 3 years now and still super true the whole time. I dialed it a few times not many just to shoot 7x39 out to 700 yards just to see what happens. It was like 42 moa if I remember right lol. And it was dead on a 24x24 over and over again. Backed it alllllllllll lol lllllllllllll the way back to zero and it was right on. Damn thing goes to like 140x140 I think. Got a 1-4 and the 3-15. All absolutely rock solid scopes. Not super well known.
@justinbriggs1514
3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this conversation. There are a lot of us out here looking for that right balance between cost and "quality" (however you define it). You earned a subscriber with this one.
@jhamelin119
3 жыл бұрын
I really like the rugers, i have one. It definitely is on the same level with my savage 110, but the ruger is probably the best bang for your buck rifle.
@wesleyturner1979
3 жыл бұрын
I have a Savage and have ran the bolt on Howas, Rugers and others. The Tikka is the best bang for your buck. I’d trade my customized Savage in a heartbeat for just a bare tikka action.
@jonfisher9960
2 жыл бұрын
Ruger’s are cheap get what you pay for
@jhamelin119
2 жыл бұрын
@@jonfisher9960 well a ruger american is cheap, but it works. Now a ruger No.1 or an M77 hawkeye is an expensive gun.
@jonfisher9960
2 жыл бұрын
@@jhamelin119 Ruger was much better when Bill was alive period
@currituck
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. The Hawkeye is crap. The M77 MK II's were fantastic.
@C.Griffin
3 жыл бұрын
Howa 1500s are pretty popular here in Australia. They are a good budget rifle so much so I have two of them. My first rifle was a .223 Howa that I was very hard on and still to this day is a very accurate and reliable rifle.
@wildcat_reloading
Жыл бұрын
Same in South Africa, it's the most popular first-time/budget/semi custom firearm, and it's also the cheapest
@StaticXD00d
3 жыл бұрын
How can you do a video on budget rifles and not have at least one Savage rifle on the table? The Savage Axis is the best budget rifle out there (bottom tier of your span).
@kunfugunman
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@thekalamazookid4481
Жыл бұрын
The Ruger American is better imo. Easy to single feed rounds, and it's extraction is very positive
@ai2851
Жыл бұрын
Umm...? I believe their (host's) definition of budget compared to my poor butt, different tax bracket 😆 🤣
@ai2851
Жыл бұрын
100$-600$ Max. Most likely used, lol. MYSELF
@renshai1236
Жыл бұрын
+1 for the Axis for sure...the American is great, but the magazine is utter garbage and won't feed reliably and could crap out a hunt... That said, Weatherby Vanguard...yes the Howa is pretty close, but the vanguard has better stock
@richardmedeiros2035
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Guys, love the podcast. Ryan, if you are looking for a rifle with a three position safety, look no further than the Howa 1500 on the table to your left. I purchased that rifle in .308 for deer hunting and that safety has given me peace of mind when walking in the woods or to my blind.
@pwn3426
3 жыл бұрын
Bergara is where it's at. Yes I am now a Bergara fanboy and for a reason.
@1121cisco
3 жыл бұрын
I know you are an optics company but what do you guys think about open sights you walk into a gun store and you don't see any guns with open sights my father wouldn't buy me a scope until I was capable of shooting with open sights
@tartredarrow
3 жыл бұрын
I find it incredibly interesting that Vortex is able to comment on these characteristics that the manufacturer themselves may not even be aware of.
@wilfdarr
Жыл бұрын
They make optics, so they're level of finish is... on a different level. Especially in budget manufacturing, you're always in a constant tug of war between "good" and "good enough", and sometimes you get more comfortable with "good enough", especially as technology may be moving forward without you, than you should be. On the other hand are companies like Leupold where "good enough" isn't in their lexicon and they end up pricing out a significant portion of their customer base. In short, I think Vortex has an excellent feel for the compromise between "good" and "good enough".
@bubbaleon
3 жыл бұрын
My Savage 16 had an Accutrigger, it started to freeze when sending the bolt forward. Did some research and it has to do with adjustment spring. It’s apparently a very common issue yet Savage refuses to fix it. Rather than deal with Savage’s customer service, which in my experience has been the worst I’ve known. I dropped a Timney in it. Problem solved, but here’s the issue of spending beyond the budget of the initial cost. Should’ve bought a Ruger.
@davidbuck5864
3 жыл бұрын
I had a Mossberg with the same blade-style trigger and I hated it. Replaced it with a Timney. Much better.
@ronws2007
2 жыл бұрын
My Mossberg Patriot was difficult to shoot at first, even with a Limbsaver pre-fit pad. I was never getting a reliable 1 MOA. Mossberg does not have a 1 MOA guarantee. Put that in an MDT chassis, the scope I am most comfortable with and a clamp on brake from Kahntrol Solutions and Pachmayr Decelerator. Total reduction of about 80 percent recoil. Now, it feels like a hair above a 5.56. The factory synthetic stock at Mossberg for the Patriot series has a gap in the rear action screw guide. I have no idea why. And the plastic mag well that is a separate piece, is not made to take a lot of torque. You will never torque down that screw properly. This can allow the rear of the action to move. You would be lucky to be on paper at 100 yards, like the experience of the Backfire channel. Problem is, like others here, changing and modifying, we have left the realm of "budget rifle." However, do not get me wrong. Budget rifes in a good stock are fine. My TC Compass II, fresh out of the box, all I did was drag a snake through and put some grease on the bolt, shot 1/2 inch, measured with a measuring tape, at 100 yards at an outdoor range. The TC factory stock has some flex but the action sits on the aluminum bedding screws. I added stuff to make a higher cheek, changed to a Falcon Strike hydraulic pad. Very comfortable. Then I put it in an Oryx. I like chassis systems. Still have 1/2 MOA. So, the rifle was 400. Orx was about 430 ish. Still spending less than a grand. Your 500 dollar optic will make the total lay out around 1,300, which is not bad, at all for a good rifle that you can take hunting. There are rifles put together like that, already, and they cost a bit more. And, in some cases, are heavier. I once hunted with my Mossberg MVP with the medium bull barrel. That was kind of heavy but I did it. But then, all of my rifles end up weighing around 12 to 13 pounds. I would rather carry another pound and have a comfortable rifle than a 6 pound rifle with PITA small optics and kick that hurts so much than I cannot practice. Part of what makes my Compass II .308 Win consistently .5 MOA is me practicing fundamentals. When I zero the rifle, it is not in a lead sled. forearm on a rest, butt against my shoulder, that is my hunting posture. So, I cannot take a table and lead sled deer hunting. I need to be good on my shoulder. So, when it comes to buying a budget rifle, I would say that we should get the best price that we can because we need to budget putting it in a different stock, whether that is a chassis or a Boyd's or even a KRG Bravo. Or McMillan, whichever you prefer. Just consider that part of the budget. Outside of that, these cheap rifles come out and mostly, they will shoot and if you are at 70 yards in your aunt's milo pasture, you just might make it.
@andreawhalen4142
Жыл бұрын
Funny savage customer service is the highest rated there is, sorry you had problems but that is definitely rare.
@RetrieverTrainingAlone
3 жыл бұрын
A good example is the Tikka T3x. Adjustable trigger, accurate barrel, smooth action. An accurate rifle out of the box. Manufactured with tight tolerances so that you can drop in an aftermarket barrel from companies such as Proof Research. The Tikka T3X is relatively inexpensive because it has a plastic stock, a plastic trigger guard, plastic magazine. Adding aftermarket "bottom metal", magazine, carbon fiber stock or stock with aluminum bedding block would more than double the price of the rifle.
@kalindanley2843
2 жыл бұрын
Or just get an xbolt
@mot0rhe4d40
2 жыл бұрын
Or just being a left handed shooter will increase the Tikka on you lol. Got my T3x Hunter used, saving me $250-$300. I do like it.
@dylanthompson1558
3 жыл бұрын
Although it’s unrelated to this particular video, I know you guys always mention that you never get requests for the larger calibers. Could you please do a talk about the 444 marlin?
@Oculus729
3 жыл бұрын
And the 338 Federal.
@paullewis1088
3 жыл бұрын
Savage has a the position safety that lets you lock the bolt or unlock the bolt still on safe
@tomislavobrovac9313
3 жыл бұрын
Just like any Mauser since 1898. That's why it's called the "Mauser action". Along with other functions like push feeding, cocking the firing pin on opening the bolt, decocking the firing pin by holding down the trigger while closing the bolt, two locking lug, etc.
@jerroldshelton9367
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomislavobrovac9313 I've owned a passel of civilian and military Model 1898 Mauser rifles and not a single one of them has been a push-feeder.
@bodynfocus
3 жыл бұрын
I chose the Savage 110 Tactical (6.5CM) as a way to get involved with my local PRS crowd. Exceptional gun. Trigger can be adjusted very well. Combined with some budget glass allowed me to play the game for a very reasonable price. 😎👍
@VortexNation
3 жыл бұрын
Right on - that's awesome!
@countercivilization
3 жыл бұрын
From my experience the biggest let down of reasonably priced rifle is the stock quality and the fitment, aluminium block or not... A little work is often needed to get a "full finished" product...and that's fine with me.
@alejandrogarcia3227
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the stock comment, although i might add trigger as a key down too 👍 i got a remington 700 tactical in 308. The stock is okay... Very tactical looking but for my hunting needs I don't like how it fits with my cheek. The trigger pull weight i will say it's atrocious! I'm not sure if it's like they for other rifles but this one with remington is too much.
@MrT13
3 жыл бұрын
Cheap to mid guns with some home bedding and a trigger often make some of the best hunting/1000 yard weekend warrior impress your friends guns around. I’ve got a moss mvplr I just bedded the lug on and got a Timney that shoots sub to 800 or rings 12” at a 1000 over and over and over on a decent day. Kills pigs at 500 yards pretty damn well too lol. No camo no worrying about wind etc just a rangefinder and a good time.
@bisleyblackhawk1288
2 жыл бұрын
@@alejandrogarcia3227…both the stock flex as well as any trigger issues can be taken care of by searching for M*CARBO UPGRADE SETS
@alejandrogarcia3227
2 жыл бұрын
@@bisleyblackhawk1288 I'll look into that... I modified my stock trigger a few months ago but I'm open to improvements always
@mot0rhe4d40
2 жыл бұрын
@@alejandrogarcia3227 Depending on when your 700 was made. Can answer why they trigger is not great. Good thing with the 700 is there is no shortage of quality aftermarket option for it.
@patchitwood7428
3 жыл бұрын
I got a Ruger American in 7mm-08 three years ago. It shoots sub-MOA with Hornady factory ammo. Between my son and me, we have used it to take 6 deer in three hunting seasons. It is nothing fancy, but it gets the job done. It was a great purchase for my son’s first rifle.
@vitaly6312
3 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful budget rifle. I’ve gotten my 6.5cm down to .5moa on good days. Fantastic rifle and I cannot recommend it enough.
@rowdybroomstick1216
3 жыл бұрын
Half moa seems to be fairly common and even less. I've done 0.34-0.38 two different groups with one and that's hole cutting hole and that impressed me!
@Bobsansoucie
3 жыл бұрын
I just bought a Ruger American in .308 for deer. It’s sub MOA at 100 yards. Plenty accurate enough for game in New England. Not need as smooth as my Remington 700 LTR but easier to carry in the woods.
@jefferytillis8309
2 жыл бұрын
If Ruger would just improve the stocks they would be top notch. The triggers are a lot lighter than the factory 77 triggers ever were. And the accuracy is there. I had quite a few 77s that were extremely temperamental in ammo selection. Some just never got there. One of favorites I have is 77 Ultralight in 7mm-08. The only ammo that one ever likes is Hornady Light Magnum. And they don't make that anymore.
@keithprinn720
2 жыл бұрын
@@jefferytillis8309 adding a chassis or decent stock costs more than the base rifle sometimes with stock.
@ruthlessone3k
2 жыл бұрын
I picked up a Ruger American Predator 6.5CM in a trade, a few years ago. After adding some foam rubber and duct tape for a cheek riser, and grabbing a few boxes of the cheapest soft point ammo I could find, I was breaking clays on the berm at 600 and 700 yards pretty consistently. It made 1000 yard 10"x10" quite easy too. I've often wanted to get a nicer 6.5CM, but I think this one shoots better than I can at this point, so I just can't justify it at this point.
@mattdg1981
3 жыл бұрын
One of the best bolt lug patterns I have ever seen was an older Remington 788. I had one in .243 and the bolt lug design different from anything I've seen before. It had ( my memory may be off here, I sold the rifle years ago) 9 locking lugs toward the end of the bolt as they say here. It was a damn strong lockup. Smooth as hell too. Wish I still had that rifle.
@mikegreenawalt4726
2 жыл бұрын
Bud I had 788 rem.243 long barrel they made 2 short and long in 243 shot deer running 400 yards. In 80s I saw close to 100 deer shot with 788 Remington in 243 and 22.250
@vtwinaddicted5852
Жыл бұрын
Someone need to buy the patent and produce them again
@guaporeturns9472
Жыл бұрын
@@vtwinaddicted5852 yeah and they’d cost 2 grand
@vtwinaddicted5852
Жыл бұрын
@@guaporeturns9472 not with modern machinery
@guaporeturns9472
Жыл бұрын
@@vtwinaddicted5852 With modern gouging.. aka “capitalism”
@jasoneverett7343
3 жыл бұрын
Love my budget compass. 15$ mcarbo spring kit and I have a 2lb trigger. Have vortex crossfire ll 6x18 and shoot 600 yards hitting 8 inch steel all day with factory ammo. Stocks not the best but it's a shooter.
@blackie1of4
3 жыл бұрын
My honest opinion is most factory stock rifle out shot the shooter now days. We live in a world that the perception is the more it cost the better it is! This is certainly not the case. To be able to own several calibers brands is within grasp more so these days... than pretty much any era. One thing that I myself noticed is the used rifle market is HUGE. That being said... you certainly can get more bang for the buck looking there as well. Closing thought... you all did touch base on handing firearms down... and in my opinion... the classic wood stock blued steel will always hold more value than a synthetic stocked rifle. They look great too 🙂
@wildcatprecision
3 жыл бұрын
It is a shame that you guys did not mention the Howa 1500 in detail. HACT trigger is 2 stage with a 3 position safety.
@lk9456
2 жыл бұрын
Intergral recoil lug, very customisable Might as well have called it ruger american vs tikka
@paulgrogan8032
3 жыл бұрын
Love the new lighting, part of the reason I love my percision stevens 200 build a.k.a. savage 110. Is that the initial $300.00 price point allowed me to shoot it regularly while I was adding McMillan, McGowen, timney, and the other goodies during the build.
@rhoff7272
3 жыл бұрын
I also have an older stevens 200, it was a great platform in the Savage 110 action, and the non accutrigger wasn't too bad, i still have it in a drawer somewhere, just in case haha
I just got done doing a TC compass budget build since I was able to pick up a 6.5CM on sale for 259 at academy. After bedding the stock and stiffening it on my own, installing a $30 muzzle brake, adding a $20 mcarbo trigger kit, and good glass, it’s a consistent .5MOA gun that has no problems ringing steel out to 600 (as far as I’ve been able to shoot it). It will never be a custom gun, but it’ll hold its own with guns that cost 5x as much. Cheap definitely isn’t synonymous with inaccurate.
@dgambrel9241
3 жыл бұрын
My compass outshoots my Cooper and even a couple Semi Customs
@brentmay6379
3 жыл бұрын
Love my Compass in 270Win. I added a Nikon scope and it shoots awesome. Future plans are either stiffening the stock, or maybe even a Boyds.
@themadmercenary
3 жыл бұрын
Long time viewer of this podcast and as someone who is getting into shooting I have learnt a lot from these podcasts so thankyou. Just wanted to bring up the mauser m18 for consideration in the budget category. Also wondering if you could do an episode on lever actions vs bolt actions for general purpose rifles. Either way keep up the great work much thanks from Australia.
@Dale37
2 жыл бұрын
I have always bought the budget rifles and neither have failed me. I like my Savage Axis .270 and I love my Ruger American. 308. I am at the stage of my life where I want to splurge a few thousand dollars on a gun and optic though and the Tikka T3X is the manufacturer I have decided on. Now, I can't make up my mind on caliber and optics though.
@levishelley8018
2 жыл бұрын
Thats kinda where I am. My cheapos have done great and will still do great. But I'm wanting to have a nice one in the cabinet now.
@hubertstrzalkowski1261
3 жыл бұрын
I've looked at ( and shot with) quite a few cheaper bolt guns lately. TV compass, tikka, mossberg, ruger, Savage... and then I shot the CVA cascade rifle. Honestly speaking, what a rifle! Seriously, a great gun. Compared to the rifles mentioned above, it's in a different league. It's around 450 bucks. I also have a weatherby mark V in 300 why mag, on the ultralight platform, and to be honest, I like them both equally and that gun is 2 grand... if you're looking for a really nice quality gun that's cheaper, the cva cascade is probably your best bet, at least for now
@johngoodell2775
3 жыл бұрын
T/C Compass is obviously the best bolt gun value given the price point and T/C is known for their barrels and triggers. You can put decent scope on one and still be under 700.
@LRS_RedBeard7
2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah. I picked one up on black Friday in 30-06. Threw a 6-18x Vortex on it, a 1" Limbsaver, a stock pouch, & some camo wrap. Under 600 bucks still. Shoots awesome.
@mikegreenawalt4726
2 жыл бұрын
I bought two Thompson compas 7mm mag 5 month old 200.00 and year old 3006 175 in pa
@calebzimzim3983
3 жыл бұрын
My question is can you turn a 500$ rifle into a 1,000$ rifle?
@blairbuskirk5460
3 жыл бұрын
In cost or value? Because the cost part is easy.
@jacobivy2854
3 жыл бұрын
Tikka Tikka Tikka. I’ve had the 770s and 700s. They don’t hold a candle. The QC is also far better than I’ve seen from the Ruger precision line or the Savage 110 line. It will be hard for me to ever buy another bolt gun that isn’t a Sako or Tikka…or maybe a CZ. I’ve just been spoiled on those European rifles now.
@Oculus729
3 жыл бұрын
An hour and 13.5 minutes and you fellers didn't do a point by point comparison of all the rifles on the table. Bummer. That's what I was waiting for and you didn't get there.
@Chase80P
3 жыл бұрын
Round review for the 270wsm and the 6.8 western
@cheddercaveman
3 жыл бұрын
I will second wanting to hear some good information on the 6.8 Western (especially as it compares to other things around .277, and why on earth its a .277 when 6.8mm translates to .26)
@jmgates09
3 жыл бұрын
I third this
@johnwilliams-gk1fb
3 жыл бұрын
Short action vs long, the more necked down a cartridge is the quicker in general you will have throat erosion. Not from actual bullets but the jetting of gasses in that area.
@joshsinglefooter
3 жыл бұрын
I 5th this!
@GabbyBillNumberOne
2 жыл бұрын
My TC Compass in 5.56/223, printed off a bench & bi-pod under 1/2" at 100yds with bulk ammo, not steel cased. I couldn't be happier! Gabby
@blainstenberg2806
3 жыл бұрын
You could buy a $1800 remington 700 and still have to charge the trigger out because it not good
@snoopklogg
3 жыл бұрын
I love my savage 12fv cabelas special ! Got it on sale for 329.99 heavy barrel but crap stock. Clipped 3/4 coil out of the trigger spring and shoots lights out! JB weld in the forend stiffened up the stock.
@SveninColorado
2 жыл бұрын
The well worn axiom comes to mind: "Beware the man who owns and shoots just one rifle."
@RetrieverTrainingAlone
2 жыл бұрын
Especially in a cartridge that can handle a wide range of bullet weights. I like the 300 H&H up here in Alaska because I can handload from 150 gr to 220 gr bullets.
@shauno7582
2 жыл бұрын
Simo häyhä 😁😁
@uralbob1
3 жыл бұрын
My first centerfire, was a Savage Mod.340D (about $69.00 in 1967-8) in .222 Rem. It had the ubiquitous barrel nut design. It was a great, accurate shooter, but with a bolt action that was anything but smooth. Did I mention lots of stamped steel parts? It didn't matter to me as a 13 or 14 year old boy. Hell, I didn't know better. As far as I was concerned, it was the finest rifle in the world! There is a purpose for budget rifles. They were great for a boy like me who saved his paper route money every week to get his precious gun off lay away! Twenty years or so ago, I walked into an old gun shop and saw an old model 340E in .22 Hornet. I bought it, and it brought back wonderful memories for me. NEVER disrespect budget rifles. When a kid making 12-13 bucks a week, can afford a good, decent entry level rifle. It hooked me into center fire rifle shooting, hunting, reloading for life! Congrats Savage, you bought me and a bunch of my future incom for $69.00 back in the day!
@samuelmoyer7862
2 жыл бұрын
The old savage and Remington budget rifle are sadly a day of the past my grandfathers savage 340 is a 30-30 and he put more deer than I can count on the table with it.
@Rico11b
2 жыл бұрын
This conversation is all wrong. You guys are spending so much time talking about price points instead of looking for the rifles that give the best bang for the buck at each price point. For example, the Weatherby line of rifles. They are fine historic rifles, but they are VERY overpriced. Based on your talk you'd expect that a Weatherby rifle is at the same quality and accuracy level as a Tikka T3 based on it's price point. But it's not, it isn't even close. All the Weatherby rifles I had years ago, not a one of them was ever a 1MOA rifle. It just wasn't there. I've owned a few Weatherby rifles over the years, but not a one of them was EVER as accurate as my Ruger rifles. It's just misleading to have a conversation that is focused on price points without defining the "peaking order" of quality at each price range. New or uniformed shooter will get the wrong idea and just assume that if I drop $850 on a rifle I'll get quality when it fact you still have to do your homework. A thousand dollar Weatherby is not of the same quality as a Tikka T3 even though they are in the same price range.
@pstewart5443
Жыл бұрын
Savage has really upped their game in the space. I saw one the other day, and I was really impressed with the rifle.
@andreawhalen4142
Жыл бұрын
Savages flat kick ass period.
@BlackAdder1970
2 жыл бұрын
It's not always the price. A Mossberg Maverick 88 I seen at Wal-Mart for $197 they take a beating. The Remington 700 is notorious for accidetal discharge. You could give me one of those
@zachbinkley7150
3 жыл бұрын
Bergara is doing alot of things right lately. Nice rifles!
@mot0rhe4d40
2 жыл бұрын
And they are offering their rifles in lefty too. I have been thinking about picking one up
@jeremiahking2858
Жыл бұрын
I have a Bergara in .308 on layaway at my local sporting goods store, which I also work at in the firearm section. As for a scope, thinking of putting a Vortex Diamondback 3.5-10×50 on it. I eyeball it every day at work and wonder what it'll look like on my rifle 😂 probably gonna throw a tacops ammo cheek pad/pouch on the stock and call it good. Gonna be a gorgeous looking rifle that drives tacks by the time I'm done.
@marksterlson
3 жыл бұрын
i have a base model mossberg in 30-06 which cost $500 aud and i get 3/4 inch groups at 100 metres and i really don't care if i ding it up when hunting.
@Perry2186
3 жыл бұрын
The lack of left handed options is terrible
@OBSZIDIAN548
3 жыл бұрын
One of the smoothest actions for its time was on the Remington 600. I inherited one in .308 and was amazed at how smooth an action from the 1960s could be.
@billowens7399
3 жыл бұрын
Don’t get married and you can have what you want and not what you have to settle for.
@c.r.rg9529
2 жыл бұрын
I have the savage ultralite in 6.5 CM and it shoots amazing groups. However, the action is still not smooth. I also purchased the Ruger american Go Wild in 7mm-08 on lieu of getting the Browning x bolt Hells canyon because that what my budget wS at the time. Let me tell you the action is butter smooth and it is a shooter. Sub .5 moa at 100 yards... IN A SLED... but this let's me know that the gun is capable of compensating for my inadequacies. Also the savage shoots .5 moa as well. I am satisfied with both guns.
@ChrisEdling
9 ай бұрын
My go wild action was also buttery smooth, very accurate as well. Way smoother then my RAP
@c.r.rg9529
9 ай бұрын
@@ChrisEdling yep. I'm very pleased with my purchase.
@poyo503
3 жыл бұрын
I own both the ruger American and the mossberg patriot and both are amazing rifles the ruger in 6.5 creedmoor and the mossberg in .270 next will be a tikka
@VortexNation
3 жыл бұрын
All great rifles for sure!
@lumpyzx2645
2 жыл бұрын
I got a timney trigger for my RAP on sale for 120, I'm pretty sure they retail for 150, the best thing imo to compare the American to is the precision, and there's a lot more you can do with the American, they're both basically the same rifle, and you can set up the American the way you want for what a precision costs right out of the box, and thats including a timney trigger, they aren't a winchester model 70 or a cheytac or barrett or anything like that, but the average person can afford it, modify it as they see fit, and have a sub half moa rifle that looks cool and feels good (if you polish the bolt) to boot
@henrydempsey8786
2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the CVA CASCADE
@mparamo68
11 ай бұрын
I have a Tikka T3X Lite after coming close to buying a Remington 700, but the sales person convince me that the Tikka was a better choice due to it's accuracy and finish for a comparable price. Glad I listened to him! What a great rifle!
@REDNECKROOTS
Жыл бұрын
I like the newer weatherby vanguard s weather guard models. There way better built then the Ruger American. By long shot for only 100ish more dollars
@superdave103harley
2 жыл бұрын
My build is a gen 1 Savage Axis Heavy Barrel 308. I consistently out shoot $2,000 guns with this model. Timmy trigger and chassis system on a $200 rifle.
@johntownley9885
3 жыл бұрын
My Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creed with a Vortex PST gen II 5-25 will shoot a 5 to 6 inch group at 1000 yards all day every day.
@ur_asian_milfoil
3 жыл бұрын
Let's be Honest HOWA ftw!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 made in Japan 🇯🇵
@ad2tran
3 жыл бұрын
who make that cheek riser on the green ruger american shown here? TIA.
@bigfastdodge
3 жыл бұрын
The 3 position Mauser safety is superior to all safeties. You are able to lock the bolt closed and unload the rifle while on safe.
@Trash_panda_real
Жыл бұрын
Same style on the ruger m77 as the aftermarket and modern mauser.
@paulharveu526
3 жыл бұрын
I like the 3 position safety on the TC Compass.
@glockfanboy4927
2 жыл бұрын
Buy the best rifle you can afford n go with it!! Don't scrimp on the scope!!
@daanyaalvally3187
3 жыл бұрын
Wish you guys spend more time on the Howa rifle, great workmanship, very accurate and reliable, 3 way safety and 2 stage trigger that's very smooth and light, great out of the box but better in a chassis
@colebeck8407
3 жыл бұрын
which cheek riser is on that ruger
@Billy-J-B
Жыл бұрын
Savage 110 Apex Hunter (6.5 creedmoor)
@noahm6261
3 жыл бұрын
If your fingers get bloody running a bolt, bolt guns might not be for you Edit: dont forget your gloves if your laying down some hate
@VortexNation
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you missed our video from the Vortex Extreme LR match. Under any normal circumstances, though, that would be correct lol
@SCQT
2 жыл бұрын
Tikkas are the best value in the factory game imo $15 spring gets you as good of a single stage trigger as anyone needs, and ive still never had one that didnt preform exactly as it was supposed to. Cant say that about many other mass produced brands. Thats not to say that others dont make fine rifles, but tends to be a wider envelope of quality that gets out of the factory. Do wish they would start expanding their chamber offerings a bit...
@JonDoe-dt9uz
2 жыл бұрын
Howa 1500 is not budget quality It’s one of 2 companies that still forge their bolt and receiver with an integral recoil lug
@jasonweishaupt1828
10 ай бұрын
As a certified welder I can tell you brazing is closer to soldering than it is welding.
@miguelperaza6615
3 жыл бұрын
Geeeeeez Louizzzzz ! Horrendous clip! Have a general opinion! for example! Winchester model 70 mouser action controlled feed , moa trigger ! 1 put a number for rifle reviewed ! 2 pick up rifle 3 show it 4 tell features , target , hunting , or both . 5 calibers available, then MOVE ON ! QUICK ! Seems I was watching a review of a Sunday Morning Football commentary 😴.
@codysmith7456
2 жыл бұрын
Now realizing Tikka was the way to go 😔
@jefferytillis8309
2 жыл бұрын
Have plenty of budget rifles that shoot great and plenty of more expensive rifles that did not. More money does not always equate to a better rifle. I live by the code that only accurate rifles matter. I don't care how fancy it is if it does not shoot accurately. I have to admit that the tightest grouping rifle I have right now is a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmor. Also had a Ruger 77 in 25-06 that would shoot under a half inch all day. Had the plainest looking wood stock and I picked it up at a gun show for less than 300. Unfortunately that one was stolen along with other more expensive rifles. That one still hurt the most.
@BuckingFastard
3 жыл бұрын
Let’s not forget, initial purchase price vs accuracy. The ruger American has shown up many custom built guns. I’ve done it myself on a stock one. Once the initial purchase is made you can literally go shoot any distance you want for such a low price. Then in a month or 5 you can buy a new drop in trigger, stock, bipod, new scope etc. It’s always hard for me to bring my hand-me-down Remington 700 bdl deluxe .270 into the woods vs a new ruger American. I only can make myself do it when I go hunt a nice deer stand with an office chair that I can drive my truck to.
@erincook6007
3 жыл бұрын
Apparently this guy doesn’t know about a Sako 85 action safety
@samueldamewood5273
3 жыл бұрын
The first comonly available rifle with the barrel nut system was the Savage 340 back in 1950
@adamwhite4378
Жыл бұрын
Stevens 322 and 325. I've got the 30-30 from 1947 and the 22 hornet from 1949. 325 became the Savage 340.
@hoffmiermp
11 ай бұрын
The Mossberg Patriot is one hell of a rifle imo.
@jonnyhogarty
9 ай бұрын
Never been a fan myself but I’ve heard of people who love them and shoot great. I just struggle to go with one being I’ve shot a few and it seems their quality control isn’t great. Almost flipping a coin with one of those imo.
@bbridwell92
2 жыл бұрын
CZ 557. Around 750-800 dollar price range and it's a wonderful. I prefer the overall fit finish and feel over my tikka. It just feels right and shoots great.
@samanthasanchez1792
Жыл бұрын
Cz 557 30-06 ❤
@hardball107
3 жыл бұрын
Guy's, where's the Savage ? I own a M700 Tactical in 308, a T3x in 7mm/08 and a Ruger American Ranch in 450BM so when a friend offered me a worse for wear standard Savage Axis in 270 Win I was a little hesitant until he mentioned the $125 price. I figured a quick flip until I cleaned it (multiple applications of JB Bore Paste), worked the bolt (smooth as butter) and shot it, groups at 100 that you could cover with a quarter. I had to see what I could do with it. A new 4x12 Diamondback went on top, a $20 trigger kit from M*Carbo in Clearwater, Fla. dropped the trigger from 5 lb. to 2.5 lb. and I removed the barrel and action from the stock, drilled holes through the webbing in the forend and filled it with liquid epoxy. Besides the scope, $50 in parts and a couple hours of work and that Savage ended up shooting lights out, very sub-moa. The nice part is I bought a 243 barrel for it, installed it in less than an hour with a precision ground recoil lug ($40) and I was out after groundhogs. It received a cheap camo job with cans of bow paint and now sits behind the seat of my truck. The point is that highly accurate rifles are available today for hunting at rock bottom prices and at least for the Axis there is a cheap remedy for a heavy trigger that takes 1/2 hour to install. My other rifles came ready out of the box but at a much higher price point which would be the way to go for the average guy but even an entry level firearm can give great performance especially compared to 20 years ago. Now I just need that 26" heavy barrel in 6.5CM ........
@2clicksup910
3 жыл бұрын
Love my HOWA’S. But I’ve also got a Ruger American in 22-250 that shoots around 1/2 MOA, plus an old CMC Australian Mountaineer (essentially a HOWA before they really kicked on as HOWA) in 223 that does the same. I’m even trying to get a Mossberg Maverick in 30-06 that I’ve had for a while to turn into a shooter; I know it has potential. Point is these are all “budget” rifles with “cheap-ish” hunting scopes and all with home-loads. It goes to show that you don’t have to spend huge money to get good results. People seem to think that big money guarantees good results, and this is just wrong, and it always will be. Gun shops love these people. Cheers from Down Under.
@adamkadir3803
2 жыл бұрын
I've always felt that it depends whether or not you want a tool that goes bang when you pull the trigger or if you actually care about having something you like, that fits you, that excels at the job it was designed for. İf you care about quality. Any cheap rifle will kill roos, most modern cartridges will kill small/medium sized deer and goats. While there's no guarantees with cost, I've always found that better quality comes at a higher price. İt's just up to the shooter to do their homework and determine whether or not the increase in price is brand name and marketing or a real step up in quality. That said, I've never bought a firearm from a gun shop. Second hand sales, custom rifles and single imports. The rifles I learner to shoot on were two farmers guns. A tikka T3 in .223 and a BSA .222. They worked perfectly well. They're still a bit shit...and I'd never reach for them over my custom Mauser or my M24 clone.
@mot0rhe4d40
2 жыл бұрын
Have had a few Howa products ( Weatherby Vanguard ) . They were very accurate rifles. The Mossbergs have garnered a very bad reputation of hit or miss accuracy/ reliability. As much as I i hated it to hear that ( big fan of Mossy shotguns ). I would definitely stick with Howa. They are doing good things with their rifles over there in Japan. Just wish they would make a left hand flavor for us southpaws
@clapton924
3 жыл бұрын
My very first rifle was a Ruger American in .243. I got it all setup, took it to my range, and found out that the bolt wouldn't close on a chambered round due to improper head-spacing. I was so disappointed. Ruger sent me a replacement rifle (had to pay FFL fees again) that worked, but the trigger was over 5lbs in pull weight and would not adjust any lower. I sold it for a Weatherby Vanguard and it was the best decision I ever made. If I was giving advice to a new rifle owner: spend at least $500-600 USD.
@rowdybroomstick1216
3 жыл бұрын
I'd say your perticular gun was an oddity , I've owned several Ruger Americans in various calibers and sold them due to wanting something different and regretted it every time.
@coltonowens2742
2 жыл бұрын
Paid 295 for my TC Compass in 308 back in 2019. Its a freakin laser beam.
@mot0rhe4d40
2 жыл бұрын
Have a number of folks in my circle that have been happy with the T/C bolt actions. I shoot southpaw, so if I pick one up. It'll be for kids
@mcgovernoutdoors33
3 жыл бұрын
Savage axis 2 with accutrigger is the best budget rifle out there! Love mine in 270 with vortex crossfire 2 on it
@mattdg1981
3 жыл бұрын
I have an older version of your rifle. Savage edge in 308 with a crossfire2 sweet shooter and accurate as all hell.
@michaelrihel9584
3 жыл бұрын
he didn't pay for that Razor scope. All kidding aside, great discussion about rifles. There are soooo many good hunting rifles made today.
@hammerheadms
3 жыл бұрын
Winchester XP I think has a safety that is just like what Ryan described. I personally prefer the 3 position safety of Model 70's, Ruger 77's, or Kimbers.
@sethgriffin6014
3 жыл бұрын
I’d either buy a Tikka t3x, Bergara Wilderness hunter, or a cerakoted Weatherby Vanguard. I think they offer a great value under $800.
@VortexNation
3 жыл бұрын
Both of those are great options!
@sethgriffin6014
3 жыл бұрын
@@VortexNation they definitely blow new Remington out of the water IMO. The Mauser M18 is also supposed to be a really good rifle for the money. I’ve heard that they offer a 5 shot sub MOA guarantee at 100 yards.
@Bshwag
3 жыл бұрын
The thing I like about the budget rifles is one of the first things they discussed and thats the variety of cartridges they are available in. What they did not touch on is connected to that fact, they come in a ton of different bolt heads. That means that if you can't find the chambering you want you might still be able to find the right bolt head then all you need to do is get a new barrel and head space gages. I'm planning on building a 6arc bolt gun the problem is no one makes the right bolt head for it so I'm getting a Ruger American in 6.5 Grendel and a barrel in 6 arc.
@jayfxdx
3 жыл бұрын
Hickok45 does a great great video explaining the $$$ vs value/features/finish/options. Generally a $1000 rifle is a fantastic gun that will shoot great with good finish and lots of options, but to get a rifle that's 20% better it will cost $2-3K due to the cost of materials and time necessary for that much high quality of fitment and finishing.
@blairbuskirk5460
3 жыл бұрын
Hunting or target shooting? There's a bit of a difference in desired qualities.
@DanielBoone337
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how hard Proof Research would laugh if you called them up and said you want a custom carbon fiber barrel for your ruger American??? LOL
@alexcheeves4830
3 жыл бұрын
Because of the money saved on buying the. Gun you can afford the barrel
@cedarhatt5991
3 жыл бұрын
If they don't bend over backwards to help you, they suck.
@revolutionarygentleman8105
3 жыл бұрын
8:00 The Finnish is why it's so smooth.
@thehoneybadger8089
3 жыл бұрын
Are you sure it isn't the Polish?
@msquared9605
4 ай бұрын
No, it’s because they weren’t Russian through the process
@jasonwebb4871
3 жыл бұрын
Love your podcasts...pretty much always. I’ve ordered a Bergara HMR Wilderness in 6.5. Would love a follow up video on scopes to match these “budget” rifles. For many of us dropping $1k on a rifle, getting binos, range finders, etc etc etc it ends up nearly leading to divorce lol. I know depends on application, but love the conversations on value. Will be shooting deer to 300 yards, might push to 400 in perfect conditions. But also with the HMR can hit plates at 1000. Thanks!
@dylancisneros2102
3 жыл бұрын
I like the lighting a lot more! Great job fellas keep up the great work!
@barrymantei7795
3 жыл бұрын
Buying a budget rifle and then spending money on aftermarket parts is total nonsense just spend more money initially and buy a decent gun
@jfox71
3 жыл бұрын
I own some high end rifles but I had a lot of fun with a ruger american and changing the stock and trigger and taking it from a gun that shot ok to one of the most accurate one I own. I bought the gun for about 300 and spent another 400 on it. Even with the extra cost it is still less than some of my other rifles that don't shoot as well.
@mcmehlen
3 жыл бұрын
Ruger American Predator in 6.5 is awesome for the money
@waynemayle865
3 жыл бұрын
Have the 6mm Creed love it
@rowdybroomstick1216
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed 👍 The accuracy is almost unbelievable!
@markbirkett3505
3 жыл бұрын
Ryan’s safety is on every Sako 85. All the best bits of a Tikka, with upgrades.
@stevetipene3319
3 ай бұрын
and a Howa 1500
@joshp8395
Жыл бұрын
I bought a savage axis in 6.5 creedmoor. We put a mcarbo trigger spring kit in it. We put a one piece base with vortex precision rings and a crossfire II 4-12x44 scope on. And put a Boyds spikecamp stock on it. It shoots so nice. Nice light trigger pull and super crisp. It shoots sub moa with lots of different kinds of factory ammo. By the time we were done putting it all together. We could've bought a bergara or a Tikka. But in the end this one means more to him. Cause it's the first one we customized that much.
@MrJegjr
3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you explore and highlight the 338-06. Appears one of those “standard” cartridge approaching mag results. Thanks for your consideration.
@mot0rhe4d40
2 жыл бұрын
I was recently looking into the 338-06 with some of the newer powders. Good God, that caliber had some impressive numbers with StaBALL 6.5 and a 225gr pill. I have a newly acquired Savage ( 70s-80s era ) 30-06 left hand. I am seriously considering a barrel swap to the 338-06 in the future.
@adamhymas4620
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but, how does this compare to 6.5 Creedmoor?
@sterlingcr7860
2 жыл бұрын
Well said all. In the end, how much you spend should be relevant to application and budget. For me being a lefty who needed a deer rifle capable of 100 yards average with 150 max...The Ruger American .308 with a cheap 4x Bushnell scope is the perfect platform. Hand loads using 180 Hornady round nose bullets. All in for under $500 bucks. Plus I had no qualms about sanding the stock to ensure zero barrel interference...and a custom camo paint job. Plan to cut the barrel down to 18 inches this winter. My son is right handed...so it probably won't get handed down.....so I bought him a Remington 760 gamemaster which we will restomod this spring.
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