Humorous to realize the last 2000 plus years of Jewish and Christian religious tradition boiled down to who had better PR, Adonai or Baal.
@TheSaintelias
11 ай бұрын
Right. How would the world be if everyone believed in Baal? Probably about the same. All you need is any god to justify treating others like shit.
@digitaljanus
11 ай бұрын
@@TheSaintelias Were Baal worshippers exiled like Adonai worshippers? It seems like the theological development of being able to worship your deity anywhere (thanks to their flying wheeled throne!) is pretty critical to the survival of post-Exilic Judaism.
@thescoobymike
11 ай бұрын
I’m actually a worshipper of B___ and I find it incredibly disrespectful that you type out his full name
@williamwatson4354
11 ай бұрын
Its clear if they all have El at the end, they're not Gods, they're Kryptonian and cousins of Superman at that.
@irkendragon
11 ай бұрын
Can you guys do a podcast on the historicity of David, Solomon and the kingdom thereof? I get the gist that it's disputed and argued about but I don't know where the archeology stands. Though maybe that's outside of the show's scope. But they are biblical characters.
@xaayer
11 ай бұрын
From my layman studies, there is no direct evidence of them existing nor their lavish kibgdom. There is mention of the House of David in an Assyrian stelle, but it is far removed from the time of King David. A number of building projects, such as barracks with stables, attributed to King Solomon in the Bible we have evidence of actually being built under King Omri, the reviled King Ahab's father (according to a documentary presented by Francesca Stavrakopoulou). I do believe it's more than likely a King David and Solomon existed (not as retain on Saul but never really cared to look for him) but the evidence seems to point to them being local rulers and not kings of kingdoms. Especially since they would be ruping, by normal timelining, during the bronze age collapse when we know nowhere was really doing well and it was more likely these kings were propped up around Josiah's time but really got boosted during and after the exile. All that being said, I absolutely would love an episode on the historicity of the biblical account of the monarchy.
@basetsanaletshwenyomcdoo592
10 ай бұрын
I’m from the Setswana tribe and I remember one teacher of mine saying that and being a Latter Day Saint I was there’s no way anyone would do such a thing, lol
@mikehuff9793
11 ай бұрын
Working early this morning gentlemen! Great way to start my Monday. Just finished morning prayers
@seanmcdonald5365
5 ай бұрын
When Dan talks about the nephilim @ 48:00 , I got this weird idea that maybe the genesis account was built off that idea that the angels came and gave man the knowledge of gods when god kept it from them. It would actually make a little more sense, the tree isn't so random, the serpent would be an angel/angels and they came and gave humans "knowledge of the divine",
@Twistedsage42
11 ай бұрын
I love this topic. Really insightful stuff. With my limited understanding, I never considered the creation of Angels to be arbitrary. This was an organic process where people were trying to speak to generations with the language and, more importantly, symbols they knew would impart meaning. It would be laughable from any modern sense ability. But these writers were trying to describe their relationship to God with words. Something they understood to be unknowable.
@clifb.3521
11 ай бұрын
I thought it was clear that Slartibartfast designed the Angels
@lde-m8688
11 ай бұрын
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” OK, I know that wasn't Slartibartfast but I love that quote. 😂
@JakobSteenMadsen
11 ай бұрын
Its a bit funny really. When you have seen a "Sphinx", you sort of realize what might have been missing from the ezekiel text. Some have the head of a lion, some the head of an ox, some a rams head, and some a human head. I am pretty sure you have all seen these different sort of "gate guardians"... :)
@DenUngeHerrHolm
11 ай бұрын
I get asked to draw this so often. And now I'm commenting before having seen the video, but most biblically accurate angels are just dudes, right? Sometimes dudes that glow, perhaps?
@darrencooper7984
11 ай бұрын
You have been branding most of modern-day (and likely, ancient-Day) religion as a dark tool “to structure power”. I finally understand why I value the limitations on power listed in D&C 121 so much. “No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by…” This is a “powerful” warning for “almost all men” (including me)
@moontrack4625
11 ай бұрын
This is interesting to me but need a more basic version. Can you say this with a little more help for a human with little to no biblical/religious background. For example; what’s D&C?
@boboak9168
11 ай бұрын
@@moontrack4625 it’s an LDS church thing - Doctrine and Covenants 121:41-43
@dantallman5345
11 ай бұрын
Google is pretty amazing….searched “ d and c 121 “ and found it, first item listed in search results. Thanks for posting this. Pretty cool document, very reasonable ideas presented. Not quite a direct argument for separation of church and state; but separation of church and state is a practical solution to the problem D&C 121 outlines.
The world that has a bunch of little gods just lying around is Discworld, jsyk. 😂👍
@AnnNunnally
11 ай бұрын
The description of the angels seems to describe beings that are made up of other gods that had animal parts. The Egyptian gods with animal heads is the example that I recall. So the Biblical authors could be saying “my god rules over your gods” or the angels are more awesome than other deities.
@assyriannahrin
6 ай бұрын
Mostly look like the Lamassu
@clifb.3521
11 ай бұрын
16:29 EXCELLENT!
@boboak9168
11 ай бұрын
54:11 - "The holy spirit can puppet you" - Terry Davis. Rest in peace.
@endlesskev
11 ай бұрын
Great stuff as always, thanks
@assyriannahrin
6 ай бұрын
These creatures looks like THE Assyrian Lamassu
@toniacollinske2518
11 ай бұрын
Great program. Thanks. I really appreciate your taking a look at a specific topic across the Bible and in historical context. You've clarified many things that I've wondered about for decades, ie, where the concept of demons came from.
@ianlockett
11 ай бұрын
Power zoink needs to be trademarked.
@jimboff2841
6 ай бұрын
You should play Dr finkels section about demons and ghosts for the math between the 2.
@tophers3756
2 ай бұрын
People like Mark Driscoll are those who a Christian ex of mine called those who "act like they have God in their pocket". They erroneously claim they know so well what an ineffable diety wants that they easily proclaim their views with an air of unshakable authority.
@archivist17
11 ай бұрын
Ezekiel always struck me as a user of 'imagination enhancements'.
@erink3289
11 ай бұрын
28:12 recite incantation to specific angel for specific situations… so, saying a spell. Right. Nothing pagan here, folks!
@CygnusMaximusXIII
11 ай бұрын
Is the Hebrew word for "messenger" (malach?) related in any way to the word "molech/moloch"?
@architectureoverwater
7 ай бұрын
Why was woke bleeped out in Mark's clip 😂
@scienceexplains302
11 ай бұрын
Messenger vs King 👑 Do Messenger and King use the same consonants in Hebrew? If so, how did translators (or the Masoretes) determine which was which?
@JohnBrockman
9 ай бұрын
You want little gods? Read "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett.
@michaelhenry1763
11 ай бұрын
26:32 archangels are in Daniel and in the Apocrypha
@yamhyamh
11 ай бұрын
I recommend to Read Gods of the bible by mauro biglino. The book has a chapter on the Malajkim (ángels) and 2 chapters on the Cherubim
@Darisiabgal7573
11 ай бұрын
The interpretation of divine messenger in the Torah can be taken many ways. In the story of Exodus one of the accounts has a deity, probably El the most high sending Y**H to be the caretaker of the Hebrews. In the other account its the messenger of Yahweh. The story of Abram and the covenent is an interesting story, and the reason its interesting is because exodus 6:3, a priestly source makes it look like Y**H is first introduced to moses and later mankind at one of two magic mountains. To get at the Abram story first we need to figure out what is going on in exodus. And it does appear that the junior god is successively moving from arabia toward Israel. Given the stipulation that the god was a god in Tenmah and sumeria it stands to reason that the movement took place between a point in southern most arabia to Yathrib motioning to the dead sea. This also happens to be a seasonal migratory route of shepherds, which appears to overlap with Jethroh as some type of priest of El. This migration appears to be an early first millenium event. Whereas the story of Abraham appears to be second millenium event at it appears to associate itself with the initial conquest of canaan and extremely eastward looking. In this account Abram builds a sacrificial site to El at Beth El. There may be a historic memory in the text or it might be borrowing from other earlier accounts associated with several ritual sites in Israel at the time of judges. The Ugaritic language Dan mentions ceases to be used in Israel after the LBAC and is later replaced by phonecian, if there were scribes of akkadian cuneiform we don't have any evidence. Phonecian during the LBAC is basically a shopkeepers language. The other problem is the rather later writing of Genesis. So that in all of this one needs to interpret meaning. First in the second millenium BCE there was not a Yahweh god to speak of. The gods in Israel are Ba'al Hamon (twin cities, gate keeper of the underworld), Shappesh of Shamesh (sun god, Beth Shamash), Ba'al Gad (fortune god, south of Mt. Hermon), Attar (A vistigual notion of Ishtar), * Anath (Hunt and War, Beth Anath (2 sites), 1 in the Shamghor), Atharath (mother goddes), * Ia (Enki, Ea, Yah, Beth Lahmi), Ba'al Hadad (rider on the clouds, Mt Zaphon, Mt Hermon, Damas, . .,.), Shahan (God of dawn, Jordan), Shalim (god of dusk, peace, salem, urushalim), Yerickt (Moon god, mostly dead by LBAC, jericho), Astarte (Ishtar), Chemosh, and finally the patron god * El (**, the god of high places, god of sojourners). It needs to be stated that at the end of the old babylonian period there were 100s to 1000s of near eastern gods, at least 70 in the canaanite pantheon, so that the above list is a short list. In the LBAC and microstate period that followed many gods died and the households they attached to just disappeared. Moreover the battle that began to dismantle Isra'el, about 10 states assumed by assyria just disappear, while the name Israel survives that state also was dismantled. Its high god was El and El was dismantled. And so we have a problem. The dismantling process itself was a part of a century+ long self-destruction of the assyrian empire, growing in size at the same time its internal politics becoming less stable. Its high god was Asshur, reminiscent of the tribe Asher. As mention gad was also a tribe, reminiscent of Ba'al gad. Yahudah (Praise) is reminiscent of the god * Ea, which happens to be a god of Bethlehem. Dan appears to similar to a legendary hero Dan'el. If we havent noticed these tribal names appear to be drawing of of eastern belief traditions. Isra'el being a tribute to one of the oldest S. mesopotamian gods Anu (ilu, el, Uruk). In the canaanite system there are also angels, a couple of these are the same as the biblcal messengers. And then, disregarding all the lifted story lines from southern mesopotamian, we have the story of Abram. Abram's father as the story tells us is a idol maker in Ur. (which during the Iron age was periodically under the control of the chaldeans). Makers of idols need to be sanctified and this is a rather high position in mesopotamian society because an idol needed to be sanctified multiple times. Abram mives from Ur (* Nanna = Suen) to Harran (* Suen). This appears to signify some sort of ritual process. From Harran Abram leaves Suen and Sojourns around Canaan and in the south encounters pharoahs and amelikites, performing deoending on the source. This probably reflects some knowledge that Egypt was active in the desert of Sin and Arava mining minerals, during the Hyksos period canaanites extensively controlled trade and for a brief period Egypt itself. Abram then encounters three men, it appears one is of high order and the other of lower order. Thereafter Abram builds a shrine to El at Beth El. We then have him introducing himself to an official of El who is stationed at Shalim (Shalim is the basturd son of El in ugaritic tradition), and they join forces to fight enemies of El (King of Erech, which happens to be where El was installed before Sargon booted him out). What does all of this imply. The short answer is that it is at best legend. During the colonization period of canaan many battles took place, Ai was destroyed and replaced with a shrine at Beth El. Jericho was destroyed (This story ends up fictitiously in Joshua), and new colonies were created. During the earliest conquest Anu was still a venerable old god seated high in Uruk, during the period of Naram Sin, Ilu had fallen, and by the end of the old Babylonian period El was a father god scattered around the fringes of Akkad and Sumer, with alternative names in Anatolia, Elam, Urartu, and Canaan but easily recognized by the ** (twin stars) cunieform designation. In Exodus 6:3 he is called El Shaddai (The god of the big boobies, high peaks). The problem is Ba'al is also a god of high peaks. If we recall that Y**H is a kind of volcanoish god that comes from Arabia and his mountains are in the south, near Kadesh (overlooking the desert of Sin) and possibly Yathrib. El and Ba'al (Hadad) are on Zaphon, Hermon, and at least one other mountain to the north in Canaan. El is also installed on other mountains scattered around old babylonian territories. Father and Son, El and Hadad. Hadad is even given a city in Akkad and Sumer, complete with a sumerian name. Hadad essentially replaces Enlil as a power god in Akkad and Sumer (Remember the Enuma Elish comes much later, Marduk does not have much poer until the neobabylonuan period). According to these text El was delegated to the wilderness, he had no formal temple but lived in a movable tabernacle, it was probably a functional aspect of the god that his priests watched over seasonal trade, or moved in accordance with need (conflict). In the story of Abram, Abram had amassed two wives and a collection of servents and large herds. As he leaves Harran he has left the tutelary territory of Suen and enter the territory govern by the priests of El or other city state gods. He is traveling with his herds and he encounters these three men. In the story Abram is avoiding settling in cities, in the text it seems to be his signatory effort to avoid idols that prevailed in Ur (which is true, Ur would have had a great many household gods, Harran as it grew, also many gods). And so Abram is an idol avoiding person, he is impious. Notice when he meets the desert tribes and pharoah, he does not offer sacrifice but his wife. The three men are men of El, they probably want to know Abrams loyalties and his favored god. Two of these men go down to Sodom, the one that stays behind is probably a priest of some capacity, and his peity keeps him from joining into ceremonies of other gods, since this priesthood is a tabernacle priest and inferentially his alter made of mud and unhewn stone. And so the two men, emmisaries, are sent from the priest to sodom to speak to the leader of Sodom and retrieve lot. The person who stays behind is the priest. In near eastern religion an elevated priest is part of the divine heirachy, he speaks the tongue of his god, he is ranked in the pyramid of divine order, El on top, the major power gods underneath, followed by lower orders of city-state gods, houshold gods, kings and high priests, and their envoys. Again the story is legend at best, but this is how we should understand the role of the three envoys. 1. Isra'el was originally a vestige of the older neareastern system of father god and lesser gods. The system is crafted around canaans remaining substrate gods, including Hadad. 2. That priests of El maintained sites of patronage in the highest places, often next to sites to Ba'al. 3. That they had a political function, and that priests and angels were a part of that function. 4. That abram out of Ur, were El was a weak god, booted from his temple Eanna, needed to be indoctrinated into the canaanite system were El was a high functioning god of trade.
@matthewpopp1054
11 ай бұрын
49:14 was the fall of the angels and them teaching humans wicked things an independent explanation for the fall of man and the world? Was this written before or after they created the story of Adam and Eve being cast out of the the garden?
@Darisiabgal7573
11 ай бұрын
I also like to make fun of biblical mystics, but lets not insert into the text unknowns. Ezekial is a mystic from Jerusalem, a captured city and he lying, as a slave, on the banks of a canal just north of Larsa, close to what we call now Basra. Its hot as hell, the water in the canal has all kinds of bad things growing in it, its essentially a sewage canal. He is probably not eating sufficiently to deal with the increased calorie load of working in the hot environment. That in and of itself, not able to drink enough water or the water is causing dysentary, food not sufficient and possibly not fresh, your going to have a fair amount of visual manifestations going along with this. And this type of visioning does not appear to be that uncommon. The mushroom tripping was a thing, but its epicenter was in the western Aegean/Ionian region. What does the prophet also say, when you cook your bread, cook (Heat it over) it with cows dung. Nothing like having a crap load of fecal coliforms mixed into your bread yeast. There is a chemical attached to microbial altered food called tyramine, it causes cheese headache, if you have enough tyramine you are going to overload the monoamine oxidases in your gut and you are going to be tripping, and it wont be a pleasant trip, it associates with acute migraines and hypertensive crisis (IOW your going to feel way bad and wish someone would put you out of your misery). In fact jewish mystics of the period were generally scared to death of these types of vision (See Esoterica); so we can rationalize that they probably were not using typical recreational drugs of the west. There's alot of inferential material here, but I think among the most pious Yahudite that they should not get to comfortable in mesopotamia, cause the Y**H god wants everyone to go back. In that context, the mystics are probably not in a hookah parlor sucking doen perfumed cannabis. There is another important element in this story that people miss. Ezekial is not in Babylon, he's in a part of neoBabylon "Akkad and Sumer" proper that the dominion of the old gods. And these visions are encorperating elements of the old god view of heaven. This is an extremely important point dealing with the construction of the Hebrew text. We tend to think that the Enuma Elis was the foundational story of the neoBabylonian empire, but it is more properly the foundational story of its elites in Babylon. The last formal king actually abandoned Marduk and went to the desert sages near Yathrib to try to get out of the mess that the Assyrian and Babylonian kings created. He actually chose Suen (Wisdom of a second tier) as the god of his empire and Harran as its capital. There is not one foundation story in the neoBabylonian empire, or a single heavenly heirarchy, but many, and these stories differ in time and place. For this reason its difficult to pin down exactly what stories contributed to genesis and the prophetic texts because we can only compare stories that we have, and many of these stories come from the library of the second to last dynastic leader of Assyria (Not Southeastern babylon and decades before Yahudite scribes once again began writing).
@lde-m8688
11 ай бұрын
I guess Im a demon then?😂😂
@RP-rg2go
11 ай бұрын
So do angels just secretly lust after human women? Like are they by Gods side and just fantasizing? Does this mean they have some kind of agency or personal thought outside of Gods control?
@dantallman5345
11 ай бұрын
Very interesting discussion. Have you guys encountered “Jezebel spirit” preaching. Seems evangelicals have put a specific name to LBGT, wokeness, feminism, justice etc.
@Darisiabgal7573
11 ай бұрын
Demonology - Read: lesser key of solomon. Ignore Completely: PraegerU
@LeislSchutte-jb2yu
5 ай бұрын
Just have to comment on this - have watched and rewatched these… perhaps the term Hebrew Bible is a bit misleading and should be instead termed as Hebrew Scripture
@Darisiabgal7573
11 ай бұрын
Shaddu. Boobs. Shaddim of the boobed ones. But I would argue that to deuteronomist these are gods they dont like in the canaanite pantheon.
@kennyherrick8379
11 ай бұрын
And an Angel of the LORD appeared to Mary. Gabriel. I don't think any human is an angel. Do one on the firmament please
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
11 ай бұрын
You SHOULD BE a star wars guy In the gospel of Luke, you have as one of the ancestors of Jesus, being Joda....sorry, no "j" in Hebrew....the name was YODA.....and this was in the gospel of Luke......Skywalker Luke 3 Luke 3:26 .........."the son of Joseph, the son of Joda/YODA, Luke 3:27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel," Star wars....Luke was trying to change the focus from Anakin, to someone else, so that the crimes of his father could be forgotten So, this gives us a timeline......Yoda was born about 500bce Yoda dies at the age of 900 Turns out there is a blackhole in our kuiper belt which slows time.....outside of our solar system, Yoda was able to age faster, and get to 900 in the span of 500 years....then Luke goes into exile, coming here to plant the seeds of the chosen one being Jesus Yoda's father was kidnapped by the Anunaki, and forced to procreate with a twi'lek, and a birth deformity occurred, causing Yoda to come out as a little green man.....born on Mars The first born son was granted his freedom, as the second point of the deal.....see, I itially, he refused to procreate, but two point....the woman would legit convert to Judaism, and seco d, his first born son would be free.....and with those two points, he would never as many children as the Anunaki wanted Yoda retuned to earth, convinced everyone of who he was, had a few children to continue the line, then set out to find is father, with the ship that the Anunaki gave him.....ended up in the galaxy that was preprogrammed into the computer, and the rest is history
@raya.p.l5919
11 ай бұрын
❤ Jesus power. Warning it last 3 days. Don't read if u don't want it.
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