When I was talking about the resale value of cars bought today in 10 years from now, there are 2 points you in the comments have pointed out... #1 - my estimate for the Prius (despite having the new design) WAS too high and it's probably more like 15k as opposed to 25k. And #2 ICE cars might not have as great resale in 10 years either since they will likely be less in demand. Who knows! I will also add I just checked in with my friend who has a 2018 Tesla and he says while the build quality isn't great compared to his 2018 Toyota 4Runner (doors closing tight, rattling while driving etc) he has said that the Tesla still runs great in 2024 with 100K+ mileage on it. That's reassuring.
@LucasFR11
3 ай бұрын
The Prius is made in Japan, check out the build quality in person
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
@@LucasFR11 Interesting! I drove the non-Prime Prius a couple weeks ago and it felt great. It was surprisingly comfortable.
@DigiDriftZone
2 ай бұрын
The strange thing about the chemical soup you get in Lithium based chemistries is they age even if you don't drive the car - think trying to charge up a battery that's just been sitting in a drawer for 10 years. There are so many examples on the Tesla forums of the batteries lasting over 200k miles, but also ones failing in under 40k miles just from the age of the vehicle and likely other factors like how often it was parked in the cold, or in direct sunlight, how often it was supercharged, how often it was discharged below 10%, or above 80%, or more basic things like the battery housing developing a leak over time. More worrying there are many examples of batteries showing minimal degradation but going from 50% charge to 0 in the space of 1 mile, or shutting off on the road when you try to accelerate. You may have experienced something similar on a 3-5 year old phone battery where you try to make a call and the phone reboots because the cells cannot provide the required voltage anymore, despite the battery health showing 85%.
@TheSAHDLife
2 ай бұрын
@@DigiDriftZone Yeah that is interesting to consider for sure. In the past I definitely felt more examples of that... but I feel like my Samsung S21 is still going strong. Not sure I'd want to base buying a $50,000+ vehicle off of that experience though!!
@JonLake
Ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife Garages are adapting and are getting the experience to work on EVs. A 15k battery replacement will be cheaper in 3-5 years since they will be replacing dead cells/packs instead of the full kit. Go watch electrified garage videos !
@malaymaji9615
Ай бұрын
Funny things is, they talk about oil changes as being an annoying things, but don't consider about hour long charging time as annoying when you are planning for a long trip
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Yeah I hear you... but for some of us, we will do 100% of our charging at home. That would sure be annoying though, especially as charging stations get busier and busier.
@maaike3259
Ай бұрын
It really depends on the charging archetype of the EV. They don’t all charge at the same speed. My husband has the fastest archetype charging infrastructure in his car and fully charges his Ioniq 5 at a charging station (fastest charger) in 15 min. The Teslas don’t charge as fast. If he’s not on a road trip he uses our regular level 1 charger at home and it takes 12 hours. He’s got enough range (about 330 miles) that he doesn’t drive enough during the work week to even need to charge it every day.
@Alopen-xb1rb
Ай бұрын
Thats because it’s not an hour to charge. Just got back from a roadtrip in an EV and 19% to 80% charge was under 25 minutes. From 47% - 80% was 14 minutes. It’s not an hour. It is longer than a tank of gas fill-up. But even during that 25 minute charge I was still waiting on my order at the local Wendys. So if you plan around them it’s not that big of a deal. Charges at home are slower and done overnight but supercharges are the ones you seem to be referring to and they are much, much faster.
@maaike3259
Ай бұрын
@@Alopen-xb1rb exactly- it’s not even close to an hour, depending on the type of car. VW ID4 is still about 45 min I hear. Most people (especially with kids) while on long road trips need to stop every 2-3 hours anyway, even if you’re driving an ICE car. We were at a QT gas station in GA the other day and waited 20 min for some of their fresh pizza- if my husband had been charging he would have been done by then, plus then some.
@collinbradford8866
Ай бұрын
The Hyundai Ionic 5 has 1 of the fastest charge times if that is the goal.
@joeramos8404
Ай бұрын
I chose having fun vs saving money simply because life is too short. I won't be able to bring the money saved to the other side. It's ok to die broke with a smile on my face in my last moments of my life. Awesome analysis of the subject ! Good job man !
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Yeah you know I like that mindset too. It's very rare I regret buying the nicer item. We still haven't made up our mind. I'm really interested to see what the new Model Y's will look like, but jeez Musk makes it tough to invest in Tesla!
@cameroncal78
Ай бұрын
Used model 3 long range is what I bought, this is the best value right now. For like 35 you can get a great car with 6 years warranty still
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Yeah that's sweet. A fun car to have too I bet. I'm jealous!
@krisevon
Ай бұрын
I’m considering awd and rwd. Extremely good savings over new. About 27K for rwd 1 or 2 years old is tough to beat.
@DancesWithWaves
3 сағат бұрын
I recommend the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. I just bought a Pacifica PHEV and it has huge cargo and people moving capacity. I just did a 5000 Km road-trip around BC and it cost less than $500 in fuel averaging 6.7 l/100km while FULLY loaded with cargo and three adults. I can't speak to long term ownership costs but I love those first 50km of nearly free and clean all electric driving every day (about $1.25 on BC Hydro's overnight fees). It is an underappreciated and underpromoted vehicle. I got over 42% recharge (about 20Km of flat road range) descending from some of the high passes on BC highways. The regenerative braking is so efficient that it resulted in better mileage in the mountains than in the prairies. Compare it to the competition and you will be surprised at the value and practicality of this vehicle. It's also really quiet even in hybrid mode on the highway.
@TheSAHDLife
3 сағат бұрын
You make some good points and I think it's a pretty slick looking vehicle. But like you said that downside is the long-term resale and or maybe reliability. Especially the fact that it's a Chrysler doesn't inspire confidence. I've been very curious about that vehicle but haven't really wanted to pull the trigger based on the history of the resell of Chrysler.
@JonLake
Ай бұрын
Dont be logical. Life is short, have fun while you can !!! In 10years you wont thing about the 10k you lost but all the fun you had along the way ! Plus, tesla model 3 is the most safe car ever
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Hehehe I agree with you!!! Though my accountant wife on the other hand does not lol 😆
@sorinelpustiu5674
Ай бұрын
And Toyota fakes their safety tests....they got caught recently
@balakrish4718
2 ай бұрын
Great video brother. Like the way you put facts. My point on 10yr from now is, lot can be changed as solid state battery tech others can enable the batteries to be damn cheap. The 20k full EV swap can be 5k... how know. 😊
@TheSAHDLife
2 ай бұрын
Thanks man! Do you think the newer Solid State batteries might be able to be placed in the older, let's say Tesla, batteries as replacements in the future? Is that what you're saying? Or would you wait to get a solid state in the first place so that they will be cheaper to replace in the future.
@anonymousfu
Ай бұрын
I would guess 10y from now there would be lots of options for battery replacement, and much cheaper prices.
@mcteags
14 күн бұрын
Another option to consider for your American audience is leasing an EV. They have some pretty crazy lease deals in the US right now. There are multiple models you can lease for around the same monthly/annual rate you calculated for your other options So you can lease for 3 years, have fun driving and make your choice 3 years later when there will hopefully be better tech and less expensive EVs available.
@TheSAHDLife
14 күн бұрын
Yeah that's a good idea. I think I might have to make a video talking about all the leasing options because it's not something I've truly ever dived into and done the math on. It'll be interesting to see the new Model Y's coming out too, maybe that'll be the catalyst for me hehe.
@hai-dangvu7459
7 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLifeyou can consider the leasing deal of Vinfast :))
@richryan8904
3 ай бұрын
All very clearly, entertainingly presented and compared. Thank you!
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Really appreciate it. I love talking about this stuff! It's a tough decision but hopefully I gave people some things to consider. What would you buy right now if you could or had to?
@richryan8904
3 ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I like the idea of charging at home for 50/60 miles range but also having an ICE back up, so a phev for me, if I was in the market. Do you like or watch Out of Spec Motors with Kyle? He’s an entertaining EV geek
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
@@richryan8904 Never heard of him before. Will check it out, thanks for the share! 👊
@tomasbahamonde3795
2 ай бұрын
One of the best videos I've seen. Very comprehensive explanation. Thank you! Couple of follow up questions: - How's the behaviour with cold weather? - Prime not having AWD is not ideal, what's your thoughts? - What do you think about Niro Plug in? Thank you!
@TheSAHDLife
2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you found the video. From my research EV's lose on average 10-25% range depending on how cold it is. I didn't see how cold it needs to be for these changes to take effect but I imagine it's sub-zero temperatures. I know they have heat-pumps but I didn't really go too deep into learning how they work on EV's. The Prime not having AWD is a big deal. That sucks! For where I live that is a reason I wouldn't consider it. If I was just buying this as a commuter it wouldn't be a big deal... but we both work from home and the next car we get will be our main family car so, I'd rather have something that feels safer/more capable. The Niro looks like a neat little car. I think it would probably be a fine buy, but it might just be hard to sell on the other side. I personally really enjoy Korean Styling, especially on their interiors when it comes to the other car manufacturers, however, resell for them is hot garbage. While we have loved our Hyundai, the engine DID die on us at 90,000kms even though we babied it. To be fair, Hyundai put in a new engine out of warranty but still... we lost an AMAZING weekend and had so much stress for awhile there.... I'm not sure I would buy a Hyundai or Kia... MAYBE a full electric but I'm not sure I trust how they machine their combustion motors. Hope that helps! You looking for a cheaper plug-in?
@tomasbahamonde3795
2 ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife thank you! We are looking for a reliable and safe commute car for Calgary. Our main family car is an Outback which is perfect, so looking for a smaller for city use. I'm checking: Crosstrek Onyx Trim (have everything except for the fuel consumption), Prius (Hybrid and Plugin) and Niro (Hybrid and Plugin).
@Panda-AE86
Ай бұрын
@tomasbahamonde3795 FYI the Prius Prime hybrid (not plug-in) is available in AWD
@xjdisuehd
2 күн бұрын
My friend who i met during an internship, has a 2017 diesel pickup truck, and an aux tank in the bed, about 125-150 gal capacity. Every two months, ge comes to US, and fills up both his tanks, and that saves him quite a decent buck. Says, the tank has paid over twice its cost.
@TheSAHDLife
2 күн бұрын
That's interesting. It would be weird driving around with all that fuel... Feels very Mad Max 😆 Sweet though. Probably not the cheapest setup though eh?
@TomLawlor-iq6gm
2 ай бұрын
We finally got our new 2024 Prime in March. Our third Prius. Very pleased with the first two (non Prime), and each averaged 4.4 L per 100Km year round. When we made the deal for the 2024, the dealer offered $10,000 for our 12 year old Model C, half of what we paid new. I don't think that in 12 years a dealer (or anyone else), will consider paying 1/2 the original cost of a Tesla considering the price to replace the Traction battery. The new Prime ? We have driven it 3,600+Km so far and bought just $45.00 (a half tank), only because we had to take a road trip. And, oh, it cost more than $20,000 less than the cheapest Tesla. I like these numbers.
@TheSAHDLife
2 ай бұрын
That's awesome, thanks for sharing. Jeez we still go back and forth almost daily. For awhile there we got really excited about the fuel savings of a full EV but we would be able to charge our car every night at home and might be able to get almost those same savings with a PHEV plus all the advantages to NOT buying an EV (like resale / trade-in as you mention). I'm really glad to hear from an owner so thanks for chiming in. Is there anything you don't love about the car?
@TomLawlor-iq6gm
2 ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife Very glad to hear it was useful to you. My biggest beef with the Prime is the absence of a spare tire. I know tire technology has advanced and flats are less common but, they do happen. We had our first two Priuses for 16 years and had just one flat. It was sidewall damage, so, without a spare we'd have been stuck. Our tires are quite low profile and our spring roads are always covered in "road sores". The "Fix the Flat Kit isn't capable of addressing a sidewall tear. That means a tow-truck. Where we live, "breaking down" often means having to wait a very long time for rescue if your not near a community (which describes a great deal of our province). You can buy a spare tire kit from Toyota for the Reg. hybrid that fits under the hatch floor (why the bloody thing does not come with the car is a mystery). However, the kit will not suit the Prime, too little room due to the bigger battery. We plan to source a set of rims and tires for winter use. We'll seek out inexpensive 17" rims and the closest tire size to the 195-50's that came with the car. At the moment, no manufacturer makes a winter tire in the oddball OEM size. This route offers the added benefit of giving us a spare (in both seasons). So, should we take a road trip we'll just throw a wheel in back. We both really like the car. And, neither of us has encountered the issues many other Posters complain about.
@Kepiwhoo
7 күн бұрын
A few more things I left unmentioned, safety ,❤teslas are in far less accidents much safer if you do have one. Sentry mode, dog mode, never have a brake job, unless you play too hard. Hybrids are practical but the future is electric. Finally excellent well thought out post.
@TheSAHDLife
7 күн бұрын
I do hear great things about safety. I like that. I'm not going to lie, I want one. I just can't quite afford it yet as they are still pricey here 😫
@johngonon1507
Ай бұрын
One aspect that is often overlooked for PHEV, is that if you use it in EV mode all the time, your engine and fuel are going to go bad and you'll have premature damage to those. It's difficult to find a place where PHEV would be the best choice. If you do a lot of long trips, a HEV is probably your best choice if you can't live with an extra 20 minutes of charging time (also electricity on fast chargers is not cheap). PHEVs will have bigger consumption because of the extra-weight and you wouldn't get as much benefit of a bigger battery. If you do very few long trips in a year, an EV is a good choice as you won't have those 20 minutes extra a lot of times in the year. A PHEV would probably suffer premature degradation of engine and battery (since the battery is smaller, you do more cycles, even-though it should still last quite long and will be replaced for cheaper). On paper, PHEV is a great idea and I was planning to buy the Prius PHEV. But I ended up with an EV instead after doing all my research because I would be using it in EV mode for 6 months straight so very bad for the ICE. And the EV is so much more fun to drive. Regarding tires, it depends on how you drive. I get the same millage between my EV and my ICE on a set of tires.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Interesting comment! I would have guessed they would have thought of that (gas remaining in the vehicle in some cases for months on end) but maybe they didn't. What EV did you end up getting? And yeah, I mean to be honest the range would never be an issue for us if we went straight EV. We both work from home and it would be a commuter 99% of the time. We could use our other vehicle for long trips though we don't fully trust it won't die on us again (Hyundai!)... but it does have a new engine in it.
@johngonon1507
Ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I bought a Smart #3 in the end. When I saw it and test drove it (for 3 hours), it submerged me. I was only test driving cars to see what was around for later ... but ended up falling for one. For the premature damage, that was what transpired of lots of articles I read about not using an ICE for a long time (because I knew it was my use case). A solution would be to always end your journey with a tank mostly empty so you can put new gas when going on a new trip. This would make the gas more suitable for use and have less of an impact. But of course it's more micro management. And still having an ICE to manage with oil changes and stuff ... I live with a few minutes "lost" on longer trips that I do 4 times a year. One I found again: www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-long-can-gas-sit-in-a-car-before-it-goes-bad
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
@@johngonon1507 Thanks for sharing the link. Sorry, what's a Smart #3?
@johngonon1507
Ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife It's a model from the "Smart" brand (50/50 between Mercedes and Geely)
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
@@johngonon1507 Cool! Never heard of it.
@marcc.490
8 күн бұрын
I will own my first EV this week.
@TheSAHDLife
8 күн бұрын
Amazing! I'm jealous. What are you getting?!
@marcc.490
8 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLifean MG MG4. Don’t know if the united states will get it due to tariffs. It a free market in Australia. Will cost me 39k AUD with ceramic/interior protection with dash cam.
@TheSAHDLife
8 күн бұрын
@marcc.490 that looks awesome! We do not get those here in Canada :( if you get byd? Did you consider that? Everybody says on here that they're very good too.
@Kepiwhoo
7 күн бұрын
In ten years you would have a worn out hybrid, you dont mention brake jobs, exhaust systems, water pump and timing belt , emissions parts and the price of gas in ten years. If you bought a tesla in ten years you could swap out for a new battery pack if you even need one. Postpone your purchase for two years get a new tesla with a million mile battery and the ability to turn on FSD, which wasn't mentioned but if your my age is an absolute game changer.
@TheSAHDLife
7 күн бұрын
Yeah I hear you 👊 I've never considered leading before but that almost seems like a decent idea right now... Lease for a few years then buy an EV. We've had an ice car for 10 years now. It hadn't been too crazy with regular maintenance. That would be sweet of it was cheaper with an electric though.
@martsalumaa6338
4 күн бұрын
A hybrid car is two cars, a bad electric car and a bad gasoline car, inside the body of one car. A hybrid car is big on the outside and small on the inside. A hybrid car has a more complex construction compared to any other car. All cars need to be maintained and repaired.
@TheSAHDLife
3 күн бұрын
Yeah I hear you. I've never owned one but it seems like an interesting compromise between two technologies... But I agree kind of seems worse at each of them though might be quite convenient at times
@martsalumaa6338
2 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife A gasoline car can be compared to a chemical factory. It has catalysts, analyzers sensors. My car had a problem with the exhaust gas sensor. The car had driven only 80,000 km and the sensor needed to be replaced. During the repair, the original, but unfortunately low-quality sensor was installed. In order to get the car working properly again, I had to go to the car dealership 4 times and it took me two months. After a few months, it was necessary to replace the adblue pump, which cost €500. All hybrid cars have countless sensors and other wonderful devices. The difference is that a gasoline car has room to change parts. But the hybrid car is so tightly packed with equipment that the car has to be disassembled to get a part during repairs.
@elishapiedu6215
Ай бұрын
I will always choose EV over everything. Till you drive one, you won't believe it
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
That's my problem is I DID drive one and now I want one... I just can't afford it lol
@elishapiedu6215
Ай бұрын
@TheSAHDLife just save towards it. And please go for a brand new if you want to enjoy it most
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Are you team Tesla or?
@goranjurkovic6796
Ай бұрын
Toyota phev rav4 is the best from both worlds. Only tesla could pass in bev world.
@RF-it7uv
Ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I get 285-350 miles in my Lexus RZ 450e. I recently dumped my leased 2021 Tesla Model Y “long range” for the Lexus RZ 450e, after driving 10 other EVs. Don’t listen to the skeptics or critics who tested pre-production or prototype versions. My RZ 450e has the latest Lexus software update and I am getting 275-400 miles of range at 4.2-5.5 miles/kWh efficiency - far better efficiency than my Model Y. But first let me explain why I dumped the Tesla. Over 30,000 miles, the AC on the Tesla failed, then the 12V battery failed without warning, stranding me for 2 weeks (and $1700 in car rental bills) while Tesla dithered around with replacing the battery. The powered frunk where the battery is located failed to open because the Tesla factory had failed to wire it properly, so they had to rig it to open it. Then the trunk strut failed which was traced to a faulty wiring harness. If I had bought it, instead of leasing it, and had these failures happened after 50,000 miles, I would have been out thousands of dollars, erasing any fuel savings. BTW, the Tesla odometer was also way off, which seemed like a gimmick/scam to inflate range. Speaking of range, the Model Y’s efficiency was awful in city driving; with 20 inch wheels, I rarely cracked 160 miles on a full charge in stop and go traffic due to aggressive regen which meant keeping the throttle pressed to keep the heavy beast moving. In DC winters, 110 miles was the best it could do, despite having a heat pump 😝 So I switched to the Lexus RZ 450e after test-driving the Cadillac Lyriq, Hyundai Ionia 5, Kia EV6, Ford Mach-e, Nissan Ariya, VW ID4, Chevrolet Blazer, Genesis GV60, and Toyota BZ4X and Subaru Solterra. Lexus discounted this heavily so it ended up being a $43,000 car. I sincerely believe it’s the best EV you can buy today. I chose the RZ 450e with 18 inch wheels, which with latest software update unlocks more range and efficiency, and it was the best decision ever. As I noted above, disregard the skeptics / critics who tested pre-production or early production vehicles with old software. With latest software updates, the range and efficiency of the RZ 450e is amazing. 95% of my driving is in the city (Washington DC) at speeds below 35 MPH and I average well over 4.5 miles/kWh - vs 3.0 miles/kWh for my Model Y “long range” in similar conditions. On a recent drive, I got 7.2 miles/kWh. 18 inch wheels (NOT the optional 21 inch wheels) and using regen at lowest setting is key to getting maximum efficiency because Lexus designed an adaptive automatic regen braking system that recognizes when the car needs to slow down (for curves or stopped traffic) and blends in appropriate regen and friction braking as needed to simulate a true one pedal driving experience. The RZ hits 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. Its ride quality, powertrain refinement, quietness and sound system all blow the Tesla Model Y away. It glides over bumps and potholes like a Mercedes S Class /EQE/EQS or a Rolls Royce, while my Model Y crashed over them like it had no shock absorbers. The RZ has a light steering which makes navigating around potholes a breeze (steering tightens up when switched into Sport mode). The latest Lexus infotainment is snappy - having a large screen in front of you to display vital info as well as a heads up display are HUGE pluses over the Model Y. There’s another large screen that supports wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, so that’s another huge plus alongside beautiful physical controls for temperature setting. Lexus nailed the perfect balance of physical and onscreen controls - not having to go though the screen for controlling mirrors, lights and wipers definitely enhances safety. The two tone soft touch surfaces elevate the driving experience - you truly feel like you are in a luxury EV, unlike the somber interior of the Tesla. The Lexus lets you fine tune your efficiency to your driving style via Normal/Eco/Range settings, which once you sign in, it remembers your preferred settings. The radiant heat feature is genius - feels like a warm blanket on your legs. Safety features like Safe Exit Assist prevent doors from opening if a car or cyclist is approaching (can be overridden). There are so many thoughtful touches and safety features that make Tesla looks pretty crude and ancient - almost Iike an unfinished product. What about road trips? I took one from Washington, DC to NYC - something I’ve done in my Model Y previously - the RZ 450e averaged 4.2 miles/kWh at highway speeds with AC on in 90 degree temps. Fast charged at Tesla Superchargers to 100% (since Lexus says that’s fine to do) in under 40 minutes and arrived in NYC super refreshed due to cooled seats, excellent auto steer, superior ride comfort and overall refinement vs the Model Y. In NYC’s stop and go traffic, the RZ450e is averaging 5+ miles/kWh - Lexus has applied its experience optimizing for city driving efficiency to the RZ 450e. I even camped two nights in the RZ 450e, just like I did in the Model Y, and it makes an excellent camping vehicle. The folding memory foam mattress that I had ordered for the Model Y fits perfectly in the RZ 450e! If you have a family, they would appreciate the massive rear passenger area, with flat floor, easy ingress/egress, and heated rear seats with controls in the back (unlike Tesla Model Y). Lexus also offers 30 days of a Lexus ICE or hybrid loaner for longer road trips, but if you live on the coasts, or in a region with a high density of public fast chargers , you will likely never need to opt for the loaner. As for lack of a frunk, I don’t miss it. The RZ has plenty of space in the sub trunk for cables, plus features like digital rear view mirror, homelink garage door opener, blind spot alert lights and beeps, 360 panoramic camera views, auto park and ventilated / cooled seats more than make up for lack of frunk! Unlike Tesla, the controls for the hood and charge port are manual which is a better design should the 12V battery fail. The 12V battery is easily accessible in the RZ 450e and Lexus offers free scheduled maintenance at regular intervals to ensure you are not stranded with a failing 12V battery. Oh, and unlike Tesla, legendary Lexus service is just a phone call away - there’s always someone who answers the phone should you have a question. Lexus even delivered the vehicle to my home and the sales rep followed up multiple times in subsequent weeks to check in on my experience. With Tesla, it took them nearly 2 years and multiple email reminders to send me the correct paperwork to get my car registered in DC. Yep, I drove around with expired temp tags for almost two years. No wonder Tesla sales growth has slumped! Lexus has now released a RZ 300e with even more range, so definitely recommend checking that out. The RZ 300e Surprises With 125 MPGe EPA Rating that Beats Tesla Model Y. The Toyota BZ4X is another good option - a little shorter than the RZ, it sits higher than a Tesla Model 3, but rides much better, has more room in the back, and I think it also looks more interesting and sharper. Similar driving dynamics as the RZ, the BZ4X leases for under $200/month and is hands down a much better buy than the Model 3 or Y.
@michalstelmach4203
23 күн бұрын
I had owned a 4Runner for 7 years and 120,000 miles. Bought new for $46k. I got $20k when I sold it and bought Tesla model 3 Long Range AWD. I had spent over $25k just in gas to drive my 4Runner. If I would buy Tesla I would save $17k just in gas. So my 4Runner had cost me $43k combined gas and depreciation. And I paid $45k for my Tesla. So basically Tadlą can be worth 0 after 7 years and it will cost me the same as haven Toyota 4Runner.
@TheSAHDLife
23 күн бұрын
Yeah I was kinda feeling that way too when I was mathing it out... even if you get ZERO resale, at the end you were left with a great time driving around with barely spending money on fuel. It all seems to even out. We are still on the one vehicle but seem to lean more and more towards the EV. The EV would be a no-brainer for a second vehicle, but if we just replace our ONE family vehicle it's still a harder decision.
@chadhaire1711
12 күн бұрын
Another idiot comparing an off-road tank with light passenger car.....why didn't you just toss in a moped while you were at it. Try comparing a Toyota Corolla and see how stupid your numbers are Goober
@marcc.490
8 күн бұрын
Your 4Runner isn’t a smooth ride like a Tesla model 3. The speakers are much better and the comfort overall is beyond a Toyota. In 7 years the price of fuel will go up while increasing Sun Wind and Battery power will make electricity cheaper.
@chadhaire1711
7 күн бұрын
@@marcc.490 Scary to think people like you roam the streets, or worse even vote. 4-Runner is an off road vehicle, not a car dummy....no comparison. Electricity will NEVER get cheaper with solar or wind...not possible, and fuel only goes up because of Marxist democrats in office that refuse to drill for oil. Your Tesla piece of shit will be dead at 120,000 miles and need a new battery at $20,000. Get off moms computer kid....
@rogermartinez78
Ай бұрын
ICE cars bought today will worth close to nothing in 10 years, buy what you like today and enjoy it!
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Yeah that is a topic worth considering for sure. I think gas will be around for awhile but I know what you mean. We still aren't sure what we'd buy if we bought one right now. We've kind of gone full circle!
@eyip8697
2 күн бұрын
The battery can be used as home electricity storage to re turn the solar power to home at night
@TheSAHDLife
2 күн бұрын
That's rad. I'm not going to lie I want one... They're still pretty pricey here though
@yangliu1376
Ай бұрын
Hi SAHD, very good video. I would like to add some key points to this topic: 1. Batteries will become much cheaper in 10 years if you look at the price trend of EV batteries. 2. According to HLDI, Tesla is much safer than most hybrid cars. I personally value this a lot. I'm not sure if the hybrid you mentioned has AWD; if not, driving in any Canadian city other than Vancouver will be challenging in the winter. 3. Hybrid cars don't depreciate as quickly because their current supply doesn't meet demand (especially for Toyota). However, once the supply meets demand, they will depreciate faster since hybrid cars have higher maintenance costs than EVs and gas cars due to having both gas and electric engines and the fast technology advancement in the hybrid market.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Good comment, thanks! I hope you're right about the batteries... that would be a nice peace of mind to have. So what would you buy right now?
@yangliu1376
Ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I just bought a 2022 model y long range a week ago. Currently the older model have very good deals.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
@@yangliu1376 Beauty! I'm jealous. Seems like a great vehicle.
@fishermn4220
29 күн бұрын
Hybrids do not have more maintenance actually because hybrids don't have an alternator, starter, or serpentine belt that has to be replaced over time like a gas engine.
@JMaxx-fn4he
3 күн бұрын
What you can afford. Rich peeps will say Model 3 costs nothing with home charging Poor peeps will say corolla class is still good enuff Working mid low class says we need more hybrid.
@TheSAHDLife
2 күн бұрын
Yeah fair enough. I think buying one vehicle for the family as opposed to having two vehicles makes the decision a little trickier. For us anyway
@twilightsass517
3 ай бұрын
I bought a used five year old Chevy volt five years ago. Every penny I've spent on maintenance and repair on this car (which has been a lot) was because of the ICE motor. My fuel costs have gone from about one hundred fifty U.S. in gas to about thirty U.S. in electricity. I am saving every dime I can to be able to afford a good fully electric car. If the pricing for electric cars was equivalent to I.C.E. I would be satisfied fully electric car owner right now.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
Bummer to hear about the annoying maintenance you've had with the vehicle but those fuel savings are no joke. Very interesting. What do you think you would get next if you could?
@dustindavid972
10 күн бұрын
I just purchased about 2 months ago after lots of reading and researching. I decided full EV as I will own the vehicle for a good chunk of time and I am grateful with my choice. My only regret is I didn’t buy 2 years ago.
@TheSAHDLife
10 күн бұрын
Oh that's exciting... What did you get?! Yeah if I was to buy something right now it would be hard not to buy a full EV.
@nosretep1960
18 күн бұрын
I went with a 2024 Corolla Cross AWD hybrid vs Rav 4 Prime, in OryGONE, high gas prices, cheap electric, 5.9¢/kwh. It would take 700k pure electric miles to make up the up front cost difference. I drive 6k/yr. I hypermile, get 80+MPG NON freeway. Freeway is @50. Super happy with choice. BTW forever drivetrain, no mechanical pumps, alternator, starter, no wear parts in eCVT, yada, yada. 0-60 7.0... same cargo area as Rav 4 with seats down, more front leg room, yada, yada,...
@TheSAHDLife
17 күн бұрын
That seems like a good choice! Nice. I don't even think I've heard of the cross. We need a little bit more size but that seems like a great size for everyday usage and you made very fair points.
@clayton4115
Ай бұрын
Such as great presentation, I've had my 2018 (6 year old) Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh for the past 4 years and the battery is 97% health after 73,000kms, It is so much fun to drive and miss all the petrol stations, oil changes etc. Would not go to a petrol car, the extra cost of poor resale value and deprecation value - I do not care, it is fun to drive than driving something that drinks dinosaur juice. Looking forward to my next purchase the long range 77 MG4 EV.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
That's awesome! I do like hearing good success stories like this. We want a Hyundai for 10 years but the engine died on us despite parking in the garage and regular maintenance at about 50,000 miles. I'm not going to lie I left a bit of a sour taste in our mouth but it's running great now it has a new engine. You would buy another Hyundai?
@clayton4115
Ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I wish Hyundai continued with their classic Ioniq by now they could have put in a larger battery like a 70 or 80 kwh, the economy in this thing is amazing, in the 77k kms the only issue I had was the charge actuator was faulty and would not charge the car, but this was replaced under warranty no problems since. YES would def buy another but ALAS they do not make EV's like the classic Ioniq anymore so heading over to the MG4 77 as my next purchase.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
@@clayton4115 Wow that's really cool. They don't sell those here in North America unfortunately, at least not that I can tell. How long do you thin you will keep your current Ioniq?
@clayton4115
Ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I love driving my current Ioniq however due to the poor state of ev infrastructure here in Australia is it not good for country road trips. Will be upgrading in the next 6 months or so to the MG4 77. The Ioniq is going to my wife as she likes driving it more than her Kia Picanto 😄 and she only does around 5000 kms per year and in a few years time my daughter will get her L's so it may be in the family for quite a while.
@heyitztim
5 күн бұрын
Enjoyed your video! Went with a Kia Stinger GT for the fun factor, but my wife does have a RAV4 Hybrid for the practicality factor.
@TheSAHDLife
5 күн бұрын
Is the stinger pretty fun to rip around in?! Those look sweet. Is her hybrid mop the floor when it comes to fuel efficiency compared to it or not that bad?
@heyitztim
4 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife it's definitely a lot of fun, and a smooth cruiser. I don't drive much but the cost of ownership is certainly higher at around 2x-2.25x per mile 2023 Stinger GT - $2000 on premium gas over 12000 miles at an average of $3.78 gallon and 22mpg VS our 2020 rav4 xse hybrid $3000 on regular gas over 36000 miles at an average of $2.80 a gallon and 38mpg
@tannermcnabb4836
12 күн бұрын
I thought that costco gas station looked familiar....then saw your map that youre on Vancouver Island
@TheSAHDLife
11 күн бұрын
Haha I love seeing videos from KZitemrs and learning/realizing they're local. I'm up in Nanaimo!
@Modhuchosha
11 күн бұрын
You sir have good money management skills.
@TheSAHDLife
11 күн бұрын
lol I do my best 👊 still can't figure out what the heck to get. I think I'm going to do a deep dive into leasing soon.
@ashb8572
27 күн бұрын
Living in the UK I went from a diesel to a plug in hybrid then to an EV. Finally decided to go back to plug in hybrid as it suits our lifestyle better than a long range EV. We kept an older EV as our 2nd car for the last 8 years and plan to keep it until its RIP 😊
@TheSAHDLife
27 күн бұрын
That's interesting and sounds like a good setup... something we would like to have as well. Do you mind if I ask which vehicles in particular you kept?
@scott.charles.taylor
15 күн бұрын
By far the best comparison video out there, and being in BC a lot of the facts and figures are comparable for me.
@TheSAHDLife
14 күн бұрын
Thanks for saying! Glad you found the video. A lot of comments mention Tesla's being cheap and how leasing is a great option but, jeez, here in BC those options are still just a little too much. I think leasing could be an interesting video to talk about but again it might have such different results depending on where you're from.
@johnminichielli8957
2 ай бұрын
You are missing the lost opportunity cost on the extra money you will spend for the full EV. Most of the cost analysis I see on vehicle purchases overlook this factor. That 20k extra you spent on the EV when invested in an appreciating asset over 10 years could totally transform which vehicle makes the most financial sense.
@TheSAHDLife
2 ай бұрын
Oh for sure, I thought I tried to address that in the video. I will say that while it is a lost/sunken cost for a lot of people, for others they do get the satisfaction of enjoying the benefits of a more premium products and being early adopters to new technology. That's not worth it for ME but some people really get value from it. But some people are just terrible with money too. Waiting it out and seeing what happens seems to be the smartest options. We don't NEED a vehicle quite yet, it's tough having 1 still but we save so much we will do this I think until we are forced to get a 2nd. What would you buy right now?
@johnminichielli8957
2 ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I drive an F150, not the hybrid version, but I would consider a plug-in hybrid truck down the road, especially if the tax incentives put them on par with the straight hybrid.
@johnlodge8546
Ай бұрын
Extra 20k for an EV??? I'm not sure where you got this idea. The difference in upfront cost is more like 5k.
@johnminichielli8957
Ай бұрын
@johnlodge8546 I googled the average price of an ICE car vs the average price of an EV.
@collinbradford8866
Ай бұрын
@@johnminichielli8957 that data is skewed by a lot of premium EVs and fewer budget EVs, but budget EVs exist. Especially in the used market now
@dheerajsiddha
Ай бұрын
Which is exactly why I bought an id3 2021 in 2023 for merely half the price around 20k euros and i do around 50k kms per year! Will probably use for another couple of years and sell it with probably 10-15k loss doing 170k kms is perfectly fine!! Not to forget it’s a 204 bhp car with 350nm torque!
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Nice deal! I bet it's great. Where did you buy it?
@halllwd94
Ай бұрын
I do believe you missed a critical point. All 3 hybrid, plug in, and EV are affected by cold significantly. Not just EV's. My 2016 Prius went from 60 to 70 miles per gallon down to 30 to 40 miles per gallon in the winter. That was an a mild Washington winter. Now I live in significantly colder winter weather. Plugins are affected even more than EVs. My Outlander PHEV goes from between 40 and 75 mpg down to 25 to 35 in the winter. My model 3 RWD (not long range) still had 205mi range at 70mph in the winter. So if you compare all three, the EV is actually affected the least in the winter. There is also very little evidence to support EV resale value being lower than Hybrid or PHEV.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Wow I had no idea the mileage on a Hybrid changes so drastically. I'm surprised I hadn't heard that before! Thanks for sharing.
@otomoravec1732
26 күн бұрын
It depends on your driving pattern and the way you set up the interior heating. In my hybrid Corolla, i achieve some 4.4L/100km (54 mpg) in the summer and 5.2L/100km (45 mpg) in the winter. Most of the time i drive alone, so i set up the HVAC to driver only and turn on the heated seat and steering wheel. But yeah, a lot of time the engine kicks in only to produce heat, which is kinda wasteful.
@mikerattee56
3 ай бұрын
totally agree! my chev volt is perfect.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
I've heard nothing but good things from the Chevy Volts! I wish we got on that train years ago. I've always been a little worried about Chevy's though you know? I haven't had the best experiences with Domestic vehicles throughout owning cars over the last 25 years.
@AmadeoPolintan
16 күн бұрын
Thank you for making this video. It gave me a better perspective on what to consider before joining any band wagon. ☺️
@TheSAHDLife
15 күн бұрын
Glad you found the video! I think in a perfect world you'd have a hybrid for your long trips and an EV for the other 95% of the time. Problem is we are looking to upgrade our main vehicle since we are a single vehicle family for now and can't really afford two cars.... Even with all this knowledge we're still having a hard time deciding what would be the one to invest in. I still lean towards full EV but they're still a little bit expensive in our area unfortunately. How about you? What are you leaning towards?
@Ivanzg
3 ай бұрын
Nice video, have the same dilemma. Things to consider: base model Tesla uses LFP batteries which degrade only about 2% a year. So will have about. 80% capacity in 10 years Any kind of ICE vehicle will have other type of service, belts, turbos, battery, filters, pumps to be replaced. Your PHEV battery is most likely not LFP and will degrade much faster over 10 years. Hard not to go for base model Tesla but that future resale value 😢
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! The more I'm chatting with Tesla owners that purchased them in 2016+ the more confident I am that they will still be usable vehicles in the future... I'm with you... leaning towards the Tesla. 👊😆 Though where we live the closest Tesla dealership is 2 hours away :(
@DigiDriftZone
2 ай бұрын
Be careful with LFP, they are a bit of an unproven technology, not to say they don’t show promise in certain applications. We just do not have the data to say how they will perform for the average lifespan of a vehicle which is currently 17 years here in the UK. For example: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qIKryKuiknWApGU This survey has 135 respondents, 7.4% of them experienced a battery failure, most failed under 80k miles and mostly model 3. This will usually be covered under warranty, but once out of warranty, you are looking at a $23k bill which if the above is to be believed, will only get you a 50 to 80k miles in 7.4% of cases, that’s a pretty staggering failure rate. They also have specific disadvantages, even in moderately cold climate (5c), the batteries may flat out refuse to charge until they are conditioned (increasing charge times to 2 hours and increasing your charge cost), the range drop is significantly higher winter than non LFP, they are less efficient, they have 30-50% less energy density (larger/heavier), they cannot provide as much voltage (power), they can’t accurately show range - this is why Tesla recommends discharging them down to 0% frequently (this may be contributing to the high failure rate?). So really serious downsides and why none of the long range of luxury models use them. Mercedes for example still uses massive amount of cobalt, they currently use a ratio of 8:1:1 nickel, cobalt, manganese. Thats how they all can do this flat charging curves. If you lower the cobalt to 1% or less like Tesla you can't pump that hard on the battery or you causing lithium spikes to damage and worst case short the battery. Thats why LFP charge a lot slower then NCA or NCM cells. Cobalt is a stabiliser. Most companies don’t want bad marketing on their charging curves so they keep using 5-10% cobalt..
@Harrythehun
2 ай бұрын
@@DigiDriftZoneLike we always consider all new ICE engines, new turbos, new transmissions, new injectors, new cylinder heads and pistons, new materials eg castings, aluminium, steel and plastic parts, new electronics.
@DigiDriftZone
2 ай бұрын
@@Harrythehun yes and all of these are around 10% of the materials that go into a disposable EV battery, except for the sake of the planet, all these things can be kept going and are economically recyclable. For example my 20 year old Audi A4 is still someone’s daily driver right now with minimal maintenance, it passed the last 5 MOT inspections with not even an advisory.
@bryans8656
3 ай бұрын
RE: Torque - My employer had C-Max fleet cars starting in 2013. They're kinda ugly but they ran great, and I drove them all over WA state. When I had to pass someone the C-Max had amazing torque because the electric motor kicked in when I floored it, and those don't have a torque curve, it's straight up. However, we're Toyota fans in this house to the Prius would be our choice to buy.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
That's funny, I'm not familiar with the C-Max... did those hybrids get pretty good range? I imagine they must have. You think they were just discontinued due to their lack of sales? I guess hybrids besides the Prius didn't really take off back then did they? Yeah we are new Toyota fans too. Looking forward to (hopefully) getting one soon. Being a 1 vehicle family is tough now the little ones aren't so little anymore and are joining all kinds of activities! Thanks for watching 👊
@Nattodayy
3 ай бұрын
I have a C-Max 2015 (non plugin). It is at 146k miles and gets between 38-40 Average MPG. Never had any major issues with it.
@bryans8656
3 ай бұрын
@@Nattodayy That's what we were getting on the 2013 C-Max. I always enjoyed driving them, and I don't know why they weren't popular with the rest of the team. At my age form follows function.
@MrTrevorkemp
10 күн бұрын
I've been doing some checking recently and on the Gen 4 Toyota Prius primes, so 2016 through 2022. It looks like it is about $14,000 to $15,000 to replace the high voltage battery in them. One of my local Toyota dealerships said that their price the wholesale price of the battery was $11,800 and they're probably going to add another $1,000 or so to the cost of that battery in getting it to me and then there's all the labor hours for taking the old battery out and putting the new battery in and reflashing the car's computer and ECU to play nicely with the new battery.
@TheSAHDLife
10 күн бұрын
Yeah that's not cheap! I mean that shouldn't be necessary for what 10 to 15 years still based on how long the older ones have gone? That generation even though it doesn't have quite as much power they sure seem efficient. And I can't tell if I love or hate the design of the rear of that car lol
@maaike3259
Ай бұрын
Biggest complaint on ALL three types is the high cost of purchase! I spent $42k on an SE RAV4 Prime in 2021. At the time the MOST expensive car I’d ever owned. Traded it in April 2023 for $42k (yes that’s right) and purchased a $47k Pacifica PHEV. I was happy with the resale value of the Toyota. I’m NOT happy with the value of the pacifica. My KBB is now around $28k with 22k miles. I know, many will say well no shit, it’s a Chrysler, what did you expect?! But, that much of a loss in 15 months is pathetic to me. I may be dating myself, but to me $45k is still A LOT of money for a depreciating asset. These days however, $45k seems to be entry level. Same with houses. Everything is inflated and overpriced. For millions of people the cost of any of these; HEV, PHEV, or full BEV is simply too high. What we need are fuel efficient AND affordable cars (all three types) that start at $20k!! I guess I should keep dreaming though because that isn’t going to happen I guess. The Chinese seem to have figured it out with their BYD cars though..
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Yeah that's really interesting. Hopefully your Pacifica (which is a really nice vehicle btw... we've considered it) lasts for years and even though on paper doesn't hold high value, is a workhorse for your family. I feel the same as you about the price point... we bought our Sante Fe in 2014 and even though the engine died on us... they replaced it for free outside of warranty and it's running really well. If it was a Toyota we could probably still sell it for 20k right now, but we'll probably still be able to drive it for 5+ years at which point I feel like we will have gotten our monies worth. But yeah, I hear a lot of good things about BYD.
@usmankhalid9438
19 күн бұрын
Hybrid for me
@TheSAHDLife
18 күн бұрын
Yeah I think for us if we buy just ONE vehicle for the fam it would be a hybrid. If we could afford a second car then maybe it would be an EV. Hybrids are just so versitile.
@lenimbery7038
2 ай бұрын
My first electric was a 2017 Chevy Volt. I managed to do all my local driving on all electric and only needed gas if I went on a trip that was over an hour away. I had it for 3 ½ years and sold it once the warranty expired. Now I’ve had a Tesla Model Y for the last 31/2 years with absolutely no problems so far. I plan to sell or trade it in sometime in the next year and for the first time I plan on buying the exact same car again. Range anxiety isn’t a problem at all and I charge at home 99% My trick (although maybe expensive) is to own the vehicle just as long as I have the warranty coverage
@TheSAHDLife
2 ай бұрын
Pretty crazy it's been so good you would buy the same one... That's awesome! I think the next years model will be a refresh too so that's a good time to do it. I hear lots of great stories like this... hopefully we can do something similar in the near future.
@timothykeith1367
Ай бұрын
That "trick" is standard practice with EVs - dump them early - its why these cars lose so much value in depreciation.
@lenimbery7038
Ай бұрын
@@timothykeith1367 it’s my policy for ICE vehicles too as I’m old and don’t want to mess with repairs not covered by warranty. I haven’t had any major problems in any vehicle I’ve owned while under warranty
@lenimbery7038
Ай бұрын
@@timothykeith1367 they lose so much in depreciation due to all the misinformation out there as well as the FUD
@kc2005
Ай бұрын
Our family has PHEV - we went through very similar analysis 😊. Another consideration is how much space, i.e hatchback vs SUV vs sedan.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
You're right! What did you end up getting? And any regrets?
@rvaldez1081
Ай бұрын
I just bought the 2024 Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid and I absolutely love it. Get around 550 miles until you have to fill up. Depending on how you drive it.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Nice! You know, we bought the fully loaded 2014 Sante Fe and I have to say, the features are still fantastic and the car feels great even today. It would be nice if it were a hybrid etc but you sure get such good value from Hyundai's right? That range seems awesome.
@johnarmentrout8497
12 күн бұрын
There is another option. Which is what I did. I didn’t have to spend $60k US on a $60k car. I bought a “used” CPO $60k ev for $40k with 3000 miles on it. it’s amazing and I wouldn’t go back. Also, phev doesn’t have heat in the winter unless the engine runs. Living in the northeast that’s an issue. Ev with heat pump is great. I can warm up the car from the app in the morning without even opening the garage door. Bliss
@TheSAHDLife
12 күн бұрын
Nice deal! Warming up the car from the app sounds AMAZING!
@Tellyawhat4
Ай бұрын
Great video! As a former British Columbian from Kelowna now residing in Australia, those maps were nostalgic! My daugher drives a Tesla and loves it. She says that every time there's a computer update, it's like a new car. Hmmm. I'm looking at an HEV or PHEV. I'm wary of the reports that often surface about Tesla, affecting its reputation, and I don't care for Musk himself. But emotions aside, I read that PHEV's are more expensive to maintain and have had issues that need to be ironed out still. PHEV's offer newer technology than the tried and trusted standard Hybrids, so I'm looking to buy your basic hybrid that has better resell potential. Thank you for your logically presented insight!
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! We just drove back to the Island from Peachland yesterday praying our Hyundai engine won't die again lol. Yeah you know, we are kind of feeling the same as you this point... We would like something reliable to get the family around... Maybe a Highlander Hybrid? We still aren't sure. Anything in particular you're considering? From a tech and performance perspective I'm so drawn to the Tesla but the battery success rates just don't seem that reassuring.
@Tellyawhat4
Ай бұрын
@TheSAHDLife Have you heard of BYD EV's? They are here in Oz. The Atto 3 and the Dolphin. Very well built with heaps of tech, quality interiors, great range, blade LFP battery (450kms and 427kms WLTP) respectively, rave reviews, nice design and totally affordable. Take a look. Both under $50k. Tesla is changing to the BYD blade LFP battery, I read. Safer and charges to the full 100%. Worth consideration.
@wesb217
5 күн бұрын
A car is worth what people are willing to pay for it . If you think in 10 years we will have solid state batteries that can take you 1000km on a single charge then even the Prius is not gonna be worth much because people wouldn’t want old technology that cost more to run and may even cost you an environmental tax when all other cars are 0 emissions. Gas prices may go through the roof and demand for EVs go higher. The point I am trying to make is there are way too many ifs and you can’t predict the future. We don’t have any solid state batteries EVs yet and we still don’t know what are/if there will be big problems with them so just buy the car that you love and enjoy driving it and don’t stress too much about what the future holds. I know I am not gonna enjoy driving a Prius and if I have one I would always feel the itch to buy a car that I would actually enjoy driving .
@TheSAHDLife
5 күн бұрын
Yeah I hear you. It's tough when some of these big new technologies are literally right around the corner though. And the price of EVs is just a little titch too high at least in Canada for a decent SUV. I've never in my life considered leasing before but it almost seems like a good plan for maybe the next 3 to 5 years... Maybe not. I wouldn't usually consider the Prius either as something fun to drive but to be fair they really did step it up with their latest design. In Canada the 0 to 60 on the base model Tesla is 6.1 seconds. On the Prius Prime it's 6.6. There's more to it than that but they really made it more enticing to drive.
@wesb217
4 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife exactly there’s a lot more to a fun driving car than just 0-60. Leasing I think is a great option right now if you’re not sure about what the future holds or what I did is getting a lightly used EV that already took a big hit on depreciation. Last year I looked at leasing a 2023 ID4 which was gonna cost me 18k total to lease for 3 years but ended up buying a low mileage 2021 model for 21k so no matter how much it depreciates I should still come out a head if I sell it in a couple of years
@alejandrowilcox8198
3 ай бұрын
I think this is old thinking being improperly applied to new tech, specifically with the depreciation for EVs. Fundamentally, the plummeted resale value of electric cars recently has been because of technological innovation rather than the asset in question losing its functionality/deteriorating. Remember, 5-year depreciation figures by definition lag 5 years behind the current models. I think the technology has matured significantly in recent years, leaving much less maturation in the near-mid term future. Take the Apple's MacBooks. The resale price of an x64 MacBook air is ~30% original price but an M1 is ~70%, because there is relatively less maturation between M1 -> M3/4 than from x86 -> M1. I believe 2024+ Model 3 and 2021+ S/X will see significantly less "depreciation" than older models, so I think it's worth it. Or just buy a 2021-2023 Model 3 for like $28k US and call it a day!
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
I think you make a great point and I do agree with you. Unlike Apple however there is a lot more competition and marketing in the auto industry which makes what you mentioned easy to forget. Heck just watch any sporting game and see the amount of car ads that play. It's crazy! I think when it comes to Tesla specifically, because they were so far away from the competition experience wise... While guys like me have wanted to jump on board for years, I worried about rickety build quality as all my friends with 2018/2019 Tesla's said they rattle years later though they still run well. My cousin has a 2021 Model Y that she wants to sell and my wife and I wonder if we should consider hers or if it's worth the extra 15k for buying new. Tough call. I'll chew more on what you said 👊
@alejandrowilcox8198
3 ай бұрын
I think picking up your cousin's Model Y would be a great idea! 1) You know that specific unit's build quality 2) You get a big discount on the price compared to a new one 3) You trust the previous owner and know they aren't hiding any big problems/repairs from you I don't own a car currently but the sheer thought of having to do (& pay for) the maintenance on one drives me insane, so personally I would LOVE the lack of it on an EV
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
@alejandrowilcox8198 those are all great points. It sure makes a big difference buying a used anything from a trusted source. Those 2021s still look pretty slick too! But yeah having a vehicle is a lot. We've managed to only have one vehicle for so long which is just been great but every now and then there's a time where we need two vehicles. It's just so much cost for not very often you know? Hard to justify.
@yvonnewong364
24 күн бұрын
I bought a 2024 Prius, gives me 52 mpg and love it!
@TheSAHDLife
24 күн бұрын
That's awesome. I really like those. A lot of people who comment have been team EV but that Prius just seems like it would be a great vehicle to have. Did you have to wait long to get it?!
@yvonnewong364
24 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife No, I was looking at a GR 86 but the the interior was boring. I like the interior of Prius more. No waiting, someone did not want the Prius Limited so I was lucky.
@tyskigolf
10 күн бұрын
The fuel savings for the Prius Prime may be under done. We have a 2018 Outlander PHEV and we saved $1290 in fuel compared to the 2009 RAV4 that we had previously or 55% of what we spent previously. About 45% of our driving was in EV range and the EV range is only 25-30km. The EV batteries have thermal management and they likely will last longer than a hybrid. Less than 2% of EVs have needed battery replacement. We got a PHEV because we tow a trailer and drive 800km plus days 4-6 times per year.
@TheSAHDLife
8 күн бұрын
Yeah it's always interesting to hear other real world examples of fuel savings. Which plugin did you get?
@MeetKhairul
Ай бұрын
Saving more vs Having fun? Mazda
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
I have been waiting to see what Mazda is up to. The problem is, in Canada anyway, they ain't cheap. I've had a few Mazda's though and have always enjoyed them but they are the same price as more premium cars... tough call.
@novakane007
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for dramatically lightening the load for my car research. 😁
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
👊 it's so fun talking about this stuff. But it's not an easy decision, especially now. Hopefully it helped. Any idea what you'd get next?!
@novakane007
3 ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife Probably a RAV4 PHEV for all the same reasons as you. buying myself a couple of years as I don't want to buy it new though.
@babygamer405
16 күн бұрын
Great comparison. I just don't know how the phev works. Battery used first and then gas kicks in, OR is there a switch where I can use battery until out, then gas kicks in. When battery is all used up in the 40 miles, then gas will take over all the way thus no more battery juice left OR ????, still don't understand.
@TheSAHDLife
16 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching. So I think with most newer plug-in hybrids the electric engine is what drives the car. The gas motor is basically a generator. There's a few modes that you can use it in... You can do straight EV mode until the electric is done like you said which is great for around town, or you can put it in charge mode so as you're going downhills and using braking it takes that energy and charges up the battery slightly... We've gone down massive mountain Hills in my parents plug in where it almost charges it full going down a giant Hill which is crazy and cool. But the power is not as efficient when the electric battery is completely dead. It's just nice that you could leave your house and drive across the country just going to gas stations only if you wanted to, or, you could use it for scooting around town at a fraction of the fuel price on straight battery.
@uumelmaaye
Ай бұрын
What are the chances new battery tech/advancements will be able to be integrated into older EV's ? IE your Tesla battery needs replacement in 2030 go to auto parts store for after market SS Battery like you do with the 12 volt battery now?
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
That's a good and interesting question... and I don't know the answer. I'm not sure what current battery replacements are like for, say old Priuses... I wonder if they have improved.
@uumelmaaye
Ай бұрын
I know the replacement batteries for the Priuses are better than the originals and relatively easy to install. And I know China is making cars rather than charging you. You just replace the battery. You go into a station and the discharge battery is removed from the car and the new battery fully charged is installed. Kind of like electric motorcycles where you just take out the batteries that are currently in the motorcycle that are discharged and replaced it with new batteries? I'm thinking by 10 years we should have that technology for cars too
@moncimoov
26 күн бұрын
in indonesia BYD Seal changes the whole game.. BYD seal cost 40,000$ in here ionic 6 and tesla cost twice ICE comparison is BMW,Benz that cost 100,000$-150,000$ this is why i bought a seal EV❤ my point is it doesnt matter if its EV,ICE/Hybrid/PHEV which car with best value for the money is best for u
@TheSAHDLife
25 күн бұрын
Yeah wow, that Seal looks pretty cool too and seems to have good performance! I wonder what it would sell for here (in Canada). We're still having a hard time figuring out what vehicle works best for us. It's easy if we got two cars (one hybrid one EV) but since we try to only have 1 car it's a harder decision.
@jollymontube
Ай бұрын
really helpful breakdown, thanks for sharing this
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Glad you found the video! Thanks for the comment 👊
@travisjames9292
24 күн бұрын
Just got an ev6 and its incredible!
@TheSAHDLife
24 күн бұрын
Wow beautiful! Love the look. Performance is fun too? :) Oh I'm jelly!!
@travisjames9292
24 күн бұрын
@TheSAHDLife Test drive one! They are alot of fun! Lots of great rebates on them too!
@travisjames9292
24 күн бұрын
@TheSAHDLife It feels really fun to drive to me! Puts you back in you seat! I have never driven anything like it! 😀
@manulbhardwaj
Ай бұрын
Loved this video, i am glad I saw it. Helped me made a decision super quick 🤘
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Glad you found the video! What'd you decide?!
@firefalcoln
Ай бұрын
I bought a used plug-in hybrid. It has been great so far. I can charge for free at work (which is most common for me), or at home for the cost of electricity. Plus there are some free charging stations a few places that I go. I do recommend getting one that has the range to accommodate your typical drives. Mine gets about 40 miles of EV range, which is plenty for me most of the time. But a lot of PHEVs get less range and a lot of workers have longer commutes and can’t charge at work for free. Just stuff to consider. Also, even though PHEVs do have to have oil changes, it’s not very often if you regularly plug the car in and don’t regularly drive over the EV range. I do think it’s odd to compare a tesla model 3 vs a Hyundai Santa Fe. Not only is it ICE vs EV. It’s an SUV ICE vs an EV sedan. At very least compare the model 3 to something like an ICE Toyota Corolla if you’re going to compare it to an ICE vehicle. Or else compare the Santa Fe to an Ionic 5 or a tesla model y or some other EV SUV.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Good point on the oil changes on heavy EV usage for the PHEV owners. Yeah the SUV ICE to EV comparison was just for math's sake... it's the data I had exact numbers on. I figured people could adjust it based on their vehicles if they wanted to. Which PHEV did you get? It sure would be nice if they could get to that 60 mile range. Seems like we're almost there.
@firefalcoln
Ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I have a 2016 Chevy Volt. Originally the listed EV range was 53 miles (which seems way optimistic). In reality it today gets between about 32 and 44 depending on conditions. Keep in mind that every listed PHEV has an optimistic EV range. And over time it becomes even more optimistic as the battery wears down. I still find around 40 miles very useful and would find 30 useful as well. But I don’t regularly drive far and have lots of charging options.
@Nerdydiva12
4 күн бұрын
This was very well thought out and gave me a different perspective. I'm going to upgrade in a year or two and have decided on either a hybrid or PHEV so I can get the best of both..
@TheSAHDLife
4 күн бұрын
Glad you found the video! Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with either of them. I don't think I would buy a pure gas engine though that's for sure. Gas is still going to be around for a long time I think, so buying a vehicle that uses gas but really is efficient with it is not a bad choice. Evie is cool but it's still a little bit overpriced and I think it will improve drastically over the next 5 to 10 years.
@Nerdydiva12
4 күн бұрын
@TheSAHDLife I agree. They are really expensive and I don't want to have to plan out a trip based on where I can charge my car. You made a good point about technology advancing
@chadhaire1711
3 күн бұрын
DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It takes 150,000 miles for a hybrid to pay for itself, or 260,000 on a PHEV, and most PHEV dont get tax credits unless they are made in USA.....stick to a common 4 cylinder engine. Dont be a sucker
@VAn8tive
18 күн бұрын
Great and very detailed video. Curious if you have or would run the numbers and pending the outcome consider leasing? That way you get the fun of driving an EV & potentially qualify for dealer, Government or both incentives without battery anxiety since you'd turn it in in 2 or 3 years?
@TheSAHDLife
17 күн бұрын
Thanks! I haven't run the numbers but there have been a few compelling comments on leasing that have made me want to. I'm certainly not opposed to it... I have seen a few people on KZitem run some math and it really seemed like buying was the smarter choice, but I haven't work for the salesperson and dented on my own yet. Maybe I should! 👊
@jeffpalmer9221
Ай бұрын
Points to consider: 1) 19 pounds of co2 released into the atmosphere for every gallon of gas burned. Sure creating the battery right now releases more co2, but this is recouped quickly from not burning gas. We are in a serious hole and need to stop digging. 2) In 10 years when battery technology is better and charging stations more common, why do you think only the EV will have negatively impacted trade in value? In 2034 who will want to buy a 10-year-old gas car or really low range PHEV when you can have a much better electric car? You can't compare historical trade-in value of gas cars when they were the only option. I have never leased a car, but right now I think the best option is a 3-year lease on an EV. Stop polluting now, don't worry about trade-in value and get a better car in 3 years.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Yeah I hear you. I live in a more Rural area and you don't see people buying EV's out here. I think in the major cities there's a lot more reasons to do it, but seeing the boomers buying new vehicles... I mean they're just now buying Hybrids. Heck you can't even get a Toyota Hybrid without waiting for months or even years where I live. I guess in my mind it's like buying a 10 year old phone you know? Who's going to want to do that when they can get a newer much more efficient one? But perhaps that has been thought of and replacing batteries in those 10 year old EV's will be much easier than it is now.
@fuhuxia9432
Ай бұрын
LoL. CO2 vs my bank account.
@DanielDaAbadSukarno
Ай бұрын
Are those electric 100% made by Green energy or Coal? You still made a Co2 after bought EV 😂
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
@@fuhuxia9432 rekt!
@jeffpalmer9221
Ай бұрын
@@DanielDaAbadSukarno Thank you for agreeing with me that electricity also needs to convert to green energy rather than coal which not only releases co2 but also pollutes the air, ground, and water. Not to mention that coal mining is a dangerous and unhealthy profession. We could improve human health and the environment by switching off of coal, generating clean electricity, and driving EVs. Yes EVs powered by 100% coal electricity is probably worse for co2, but that is a really terrible situation to be in. With the kind of energy mix we normally have, EVs emit less co2.
@AllahMerciful1030
Күн бұрын
Consider BYD SEALION 6 plugin hybrid its my choice after a moth of comparing.
@TheSAHDLife
Күн бұрын
Aw I wish we got them in Canada. Have you got it yet? If so, how is it?
@AllahMerciful1030
16 сағат бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife Not yet but soon, i'll let you know .
@otomoravec1732
26 күн бұрын
My friend´s father drives a 10 year old tesla model s. AFAIK, the battery is “OK”, but the car needs the same maintenance as any car of this age - suspension joints, A/C fix, power steering issues.
@TheSAHDLife
25 күн бұрын
Yeah that's interesting! So he's gotten the benefits of driving EV over the last 10 years (saving money, great performance) and it's still rocking. That's awesome. Still no oil changes at least though!
@simpleman5541
23 күн бұрын
Good rate, mine is $0.35 so its quite different. The other thing to know about prius is the ABS system is very expensive to fix.
@TheSAHDLife
22 күн бұрын
That's something I haven't heard about... interesting. We definitely have cheap electricity here compared to a lot of countries in the world... for now anyway. What are you driving?
@simpleman5541
10 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife prius and model3 but after driving the ev I think the hydrid is quite unresponsive. Of course, it doesn't help to have a small and old hydrid 2011 with 81K miles. The ABS system (cylinder master/booster and the brake pump) of the prius would cost more than $3000 to fix at the dealer and more than $2000 at any shop.
@iam5085
22 күн бұрын
Considering used 2021 plug-in hybrids - either XC60, Rav4 or Kuga PHEV. Since I work from home, our mainly usage comes from shopping trips (5km/day) and odd trips to an off-grid cabin or vacations. Our energy is 100% renewable, 5c/kwh Tomorrow our old Ford S-Max will be replaced with a lot cleaner plug-in hybrid. I have had to pay yearly 840 eur payments to our national traffic organization because of the diesel emissions, but that will drop to ca 100 eur soon. I feel I have done my part, hope the rest humanity cathes up.
@TheSAHDLife
22 күн бұрын
I'm curious as to what you will end up choosing! And we haven't decided yet. We would like something to carry some extra family members from time to time, and as far as I know the only 7+ passenger PHEV's are the Chrysler Pacifica (eww Chrysler) and the Mitsubishi Outlander. I don't love either of them. I guess we're going to wait around a little longer. Sure would be nice to charger at home though. Do you have solar panels or?
@iam5085
22 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife Well, that sole XC60 in my region (Oulu, Finland) was sold just 10min before I arrived to the dealer, so much about that - and all others were in diffrent cities. 7-seaters are all sold out in this region and we have big taxes on them (we joke Finland being the European 'Cuba'). On thing about Volvo, my 3 kids would have hated that hub at the floor (battery near the middle seat) in back row, nobody wants to sit in that spot even in S-Max with a flat floor. Also, I fear maintenance of panorama windows which seem to be typical with Volvos. Toyota was an option, but those few cars had scratches and paint issues from rocks (imported from Sweden), and thereby my wife kind of chose the Ford. Kia Sorento was excluded due to too fancy display, which I loved -kind of like in MB GLBs (but wife didn't) - and co-pilot had a shitty bench (no controls at all). Similarily priced MB 350 GLBs were too old here (2017) from the view point of batteries... V90 is too low, important for wife. We have 3 kids and 2 dogs, so it's difficult to fit everything. I really wanted a Volvo design vice, but a lass, Ford it will be again. Trunk is quite small but we have one Thule skibox and may invest on another, or on a towbar based box, or on a trailer. Solar panels are getting more common here up North, it could be an option if we start moving more to the EV world. Long story short, our car selection was based on those few models that were availeable, with more time one could maybe buy the right specimen.
@chadhaire1711
12 күн бұрын
Fake numbers...it takes 300,000 miles to a plug-in to pay for itself and cheap renewable from what? Solar users never figure the cost of the system......5C/KWH is bullshit for the most part.
@RF-it7uv
Ай бұрын
I recently dumped my leased 2021 Tesla Model Y “long range” for the Lexus RZ 450e, after driving 10 other EVs. Don’t listen to the skeptics or critics who tested pre-production or prototype versions. My RZ 450e has the latest Lexus software update and I am getting 275-400 miles of range at 4.2-5.5 miles/kWh efficiency - far better efficiency than my Model Y. But first let me explain why I dumped the Tesla. Over 30,000 miles, the AC on the Tesla failed, then the 12V battery failed without warning, stranding me for 2 weeks (and $1700 in car rental bills) while Tesla dithered around with replacing the battery. The powered frunk where the battery is located failed to open because the Tesla factory had failed to wire it properly, so they had to rig it to open it. Then the trunk strut failed which was traced to a faulty wiring harness. If I had bought it, instead of leasing it, and had these failures happened after 50,000 miles, I would have been out thousands of dollars, erasing any fuel savings. BTW, the Tesla odometer was also way off, which seemed like a gimmick/scam to inflate range. Speaking of range, the Model Y’s efficiency was awful in city driving; with 20 inch wheels, I rarely cracked 160 miles on a full charge in stop and go traffic due to aggressive regen which meant keeping the throttle pressed to keep the heavy beast moving. In DC winters, 110 miles was the best it could do, despite having a heat pump 😝 So I switched to the Lexus RZ 450e after test-driving the Cadillac Lyriq, Hyundai Ionia 5, Kia EV6, Ford Mach-e, Nissan Ariya, VW ID4, Chevrolet Blazer, Genesis GV60, and Toyota BZ4X and Subaru Solterra. Lexus discounted this heavily so it ended up being a $43,000 car. I sincerely believe it’s the best EV you can buy today. I chose the RZ 450e with 18 inch wheels, which with latest software update unlocks more range and efficiency, and it was the best decision ever. As I noted above, disregard the skeptics / critics who tested pre-production or early production vehicles with old software. With latest software updates, the range and efficiency of the RZ 450e is amazing. 95% of my driving is in the city (Washington DC) at speeds below 35 MPH and I average well over 4.5 miles/kWh - vs 3.0 miles/kWh for my Model Y “long range” in similar conditions. On a recent drive, I got 7.2 miles/kWh. 18 inch wheels (NOT the optional 21 inch wheels) and using regen at lowest setting is key to getting maximum efficiency because Lexus designed an adaptive automatic regen braking system that recognizes when the car needs to slow down (for curves or stopped traffic) and blends in appropriate regen and friction braking as needed to simulate a true one pedal driving experience. The RZ hits 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. Its ride quality, powertrain refinement, quietness and sound system all blow the Tesla Model Y away. It glides over bumps and potholes like a Mercedes S Class /EQE/EQS or a Rolls Royce, while my Model Y crashed over them like it had no shock absorbers. The RZ has a light steering which makes navigating around potholes a breeze (steering tightens up when switched into Sport mode). The latest Lexus infotainment is snappy - having a large screen in front of you to display vital info as well as a heads up display are HUGE pluses over the Model Y. There’s another large screen that supports wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, so that’s another huge plus alongside beautiful physical controls for temperature setting. Lexus nailed the perfect balance of physical and onscreen controls - not having to go though the screen for controlling mirrors, lights and wipers definitely enhances safety. The two tone soft touch surfaces elevate the driving experience - you truly feel like you are in a luxury EV, unlike the somber interior of the Tesla. The Lexus lets you fine tune your efficiency to your driving style via Normal/Eco/Range settings, which once you sign in, it remembers your preferred settings. The radiant heat feature is genius - feels like a warm blanket on your legs. Safety features like Safe Exit Assist prevent doors from opening if a car or cyclist is approaching (can be overridden). There are so many thoughtful touches and safety features that make Tesla looks pretty crude and ancient - almost Iike an unfinished product. What about road trips? I took one from Washington, DC to NYC - something I’ve done in my Model Y previously - the RZ 450e averaged 4.2 miles/kWh at highway speeds with AC on in 90 degree temps. Fast charged at Tesla Superchargers to 100% (since Lexus says that’s fine to do) in under 40 minutes and arrived in NYC super refreshed due to cooled seats, excellent auto steer, superior ride comfort and overall refinement vs the Model Y. In NYC’s stop and go traffic, the RZ450e is averaging 5+ miles/kWh - Lexus has applied its experience optimizing for city driving efficiency to the RZ 450e. I even camped two nights in the RZ 450e, just like I did in the Model Y, and it makes an excellent camping vehicle. The folding memory foam mattress that I had ordered for the Model Y fits perfectly in the RZ 450e! If you have a family, they would appreciate the massive rear passenger area, with flat floor, easy ingress/egress, and heated rear seats with controls in the back (unlike Tesla Model Y). Lexus also offers 30 days of a Lexus ICE or hybrid loaner for longer road trips, but if you live on the coasts, or in a region with a high density of public fast chargers , you will likely never need to opt for the loaner. As for lack of a frunk, I don’t miss it. The RZ has plenty of space in the sub trunk for cables, plus features like digital rear view mirror, homelink garage door opener, blind spot alert lights and beeps, 360 panoramic camera views, auto park and ventilated / cooled seats more than make up for lack of frunk! Unlike Tesla, the controls for the hood and charge port are manual which is a better design should the 12V battery fail. The 12V battery is easily accessible in the RZ 450e and Lexus offers free scheduled maintenance at regular intervals to ensure you are not stranded with a failing 12V battery. Oh, and unlike Tesla, legendary Lexus service is just a phone call away - there’s always someone who answers the phone should you have a question. Lexus even delivered the vehicle to my home and the sales rep followed up multiple times in subsequent weeks to check in on my experience. With Tesla, it took them nearly 2 years and multiple email reminders to send me the correct paperwork to get my car registered in DC. Yep, I drove around with expired temp tags for almost two years. No wonder Tesla sales growth has slumped! Lexus has now released a RZ 300e with even more range, so definitely recommend checking that out. The RZ 300e Surprises With 125 MPGe EPA Rating that Beats Tesla Model Y. The Toyota BZ4X is another good option - a little shorter than the RZ, it sits higher than a Tesla Model 3, but rides much better, has more room in the back, and I think it also looks more interesting and sharper. Similar driving dynamics as the RZ, the BZ4X leases for under $200/month and is hands down a much better buy than the Model 3 or Y.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Wow it sounds fantastic! A bit out of our price range but sounds like it's loaded with value. I know the Y has a new design coming out soon which I'll be curious about. I've never owned a Lexus but everyone I know who does has had great experiences with them. You definitely planted a seed! Thanks for the thorough message.
@beautyofgrace3915
Ай бұрын
I like evs and has test driven several of them, but they are still too expensive, so I recently got 2018 Chevy Volt, I use the battery most of the time. Such a great car.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
That sounds like a fun car. I've driven a few EV's too and really enjoy them but I'm in the same boat. Still not sure what we're going to do. Our neighbour is selling a mint condition 2018 Nissan Sentra, and while it's not our first choice, the fact they've taken such good care of it and we might be able to get it for a great price IS tempting. But on the other hand, I'd rather just get a Nissan Leaf. Though knowing the condition of a vehicle and how it was treated is worth something right?!
@jiayaw
Ай бұрын
For me, I rented an ev when traveling and loved it but with nowhere to charge, I'm better off with a hybrid at the moment
@phaktratry7510
27 күн бұрын
I'm in the same boat. Thanks for this video. Please let us know what you decide 😊
@TheSAHDLife
27 күн бұрын
Haha oh I will. We are still keeping costs down for as long as possible by having 1 vehicle. See the problem we have is that... if we could easily afford 2 vehicles we would get a big hybrid for family trips then an EV for around town/errands, but we can't. Since we are just rocking 1 we can't commit to a particular car technology for that swiss-army vehicle right now. I've had some good chats with people in the comments and it's all over the map. People are loyal on all sides. I lean towards EV because of how we drive. It would be great literally for 99% of the time. It's just that trip every few months that I'm worried about.... well and the longevity... resale...etc. lol But if we had to buy something today, a Toyota Highlander Hybrid is still high on the list but $$$. Arghh! What are you leaning towards?
@alexkleine9737
13 күн бұрын
Maintenance and registration ARE important things to consider. EV tires will wear faster if you're always trying to beat a sub 4 sec 0-60mph but otherwise not a huge issue. My wife's Bolt EUV has 33k on it and original tires are still above 5mm wear. Maintenance cost on ICE engines is a significant expense but depending on where your EV is registered it will also be a noticeable expense. Otherwise good video.
@TheSAHDLife
13 күн бұрын
Yeah for sure. I shared the tires things because I just hadn't ever considered how much more the cars weigh and that it is even a factor, but like you said, it only really matters with aggressive driving. Also I called my local insurance and was surprised that Tesla's were within $50 a year difference from ICE so didn't feel the need to talk deeply about it. That might be different in other areas though. Still haven't pulled the trigger but am leaning EV. Those Bolt's look just great.
@johneehan749
18 күн бұрын
All the power full race car have tire changed frequently at race course. reach 100km in 6 seconds, tire have friction a lot with road surface.
@TheSAHDLife
17 күн бұрын
Man that's such a crazy waste of resources! All the gas/rubber in a race. I've never been to one. It must be nuts. Such big business!
@LysanderLH
10 күн бұрын
Engine servicing vs EV. Here is France an annual service costs about €450 for our Peugeot Diesel engine. Our Tesla costs the same for tyres every two years. I think the most relevant issue is the EV tech being out dated over time, whereas engines haven’t changed much over the last 30 years.
@TheSAHDLife
10 күн бұрын
Yeah that's an interesting point. My wife was wondering why anybody would want to lease a vehicle last night, and my thought was that while an eevee would be nice right now for fuel savings but in 3 to 4 years there might be SSD batteries out which could be a huge game changer. Feels like we're in a very transitional stage right now so it's tough to invest in fully. They're still quite expensive here in Canada anyway. We don't quite have as many diesels as you do in Europe so we're stuck with the gas ice engines.
@LysanderLH
10 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife The diesel thing has been a huge scam. There are very few and select reasons for why anyone would need a diesel engined car in Europe but when you see the number of small diesel cars around, it’s astonishing. I drew a comparison between servicing a diesel car for two years here in France (about €900) and tyres every two years for an ev (about €800-900). I think the biggest reason for why anyone would need to hold off while battery technology changes (it probably always will) is likely obsolescence. I’m looking at selling our 3yr old Model 3 (facelifted this year and with a new battery) and buying a PHEV as I think it will be more appropriate while the EV world develops.
@TheSAHDLife
10 күн бұрын
@LysanderLH that's an interesting take. I appreciate you sharing 👊 sure is tough figuring out what to do. Which plug-in would you get?
@LysanderLH
10 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife the answer to that question currently eludes me. If I sold the Model 3 and the Peugeot, that might achieve €50k. Like it or not, I seem to keep cars for three years or less, so if I approach it with that in mind, the worst that could happen would be an annoyance for a couple of years. The Model 3 has been an annoyance for three years and the likelihood of me ever buying another diminishes with every comment from Musk. I think i’m after a phev SUV eg. size of a Volvo xc60, Polestar with comfort, quietness, smoothness and efficiency. Something that wafts about effortlessly and which doesn’t handle like a barge. Volvo troubles me due to reliability and bizarre devaluation.
@swansproduction
2 күн бұрын
What if you choose Kona EV, that cost much less
@TheSAHDLife
2 күн бұрын
Yeah that's not a bad idea. We should probably check out a few more options. We did test out the Ionic but it's a bit pricey still.
@LawrenceLCA
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great breakdown and it's something I've been spreadsheeting these scenarios and I also came to the same conclusion. If I were to buy one and only vehicle, a plug-in hybrid would come out ahead. I hadn't considered the resale value in my analysis but I did include maintenance for the ICE. That said, I expect ~$6k for electrical service upgrade plus the level 2 charger and installation as I'm only on 100A service. There is an alternative of using a smart panel to prioritize which circuit gets juice for slightly less but still pretty pricey. A plug-in hybrid might actually still work on a regular 120V/15A outlet given that I'm home all night long. Considering all those factors and how much I drive, the pay back period for a plug-in hybrid vs a pure cheaper ICE was about 5 years. An EV with all the electrical upgrades is 9 years. That said, for a two car family, one EV and one plug-in hybrid/regular hybrid might make for a great combo. The EV as the town car and then the hybrid for everything else, especially a larger vehicle for the family road trips.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
That's really interesting to hear. Have/would you consider getting something used? I think slow charging might be enough for our usage but it would still be tempting to get that level 2 charger for another potential future vehicle. Like you said, the EV and the PHEV would be the ideal situation. Although it's probably best financially if we run this Sante Fe to the ground.... it really doesn't owe us anything and since we bought the highest model at the time, it still feels fantastic now. Going to a car with less features would be tough to do.
@LawrenceLCA
3 ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife yes I'll probably consider used. Although if we want new, we probably should get on a waitlist. One of our cars is 16 years old but it's still running fine. Tough choice - should we speed up the carbon/gas savings or wait.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
@@LawrenceLCA I did a video on the channel a year ago or so about how the engine DIED on our Hyundai at 90,000kms...ugh. It was a nightmare. Hours from home on a road trip in the middle of a heat wave stranded on the side of the road with young children... They DID end up paying for the tow and replaced the engine out of warranty which was awesome, so it still runs fantastic now only at 115,000kms but it sure left a bad taste in our mouth... it's hard to trust that it won't happen again. It's our one and only vehicle too and when you have young kids it sure would be nice to have something new and reliable again. Tough decisions eh. I'm right there with you. But we also haven't had vehicle payments in awhile either... it'll suck to have those again.
@LawrenceLCA
3 ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife Yeah reliability and longevity of the brands are important considerations for sure. I had the opportunity to drive a rental Grand Cherokee 4se PHEV for a week. That thing could launch and was rock steady even on 75-80mph on the US highways. Pretty pricey though, but sat 5 adults comfortably and luggage.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
@@LawrenceLCA Yeah that's interesting! Although it looks like it only has a range of around 40km/25mile in EV mode. That might be enough for some for their dailies. But 760kms overall on a tank is pretty decent!
@LauraTurner-jt6ht
3 ай бұрын
Hi i am Aubrey’s brother the Aubrey from kindergarten good luck hope one day you get 1 million subscribers
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
Hey man, I remember you! Really appreciate your support 👊 Hope you guys are doing awesome!
@conradbo1
Ай бұрын
Very great and informative video. Thanks a lot.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it! 👊
@Nattodayy
3 ай бұрын
My partner and I share a Ford C-Max hybrid now and I’m just looking to get an EV to get around town. So my idea was to lease a Model 3. Leasing still gets me US EV tax incentives, and lets me reduce the investment on an EV until better tech like sodium batteries comes along.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
That's exciting. Have you test drove anything yet?
@Nattodayy
3 ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I’ve tried both the Model 3 and the Y. Although I really like the Y, I think we are going to get the 3 to keep costs down.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
@@Nattodayy Yeah I'm feeling the exact same way. The 3's seem roomy though so I'm not too worried. My wife just loves the taller drive height of SUVs so she's a tougher nut to crack.
@Cobb
27 күн бұрын
For me, i dont (because of my health) make a lot of money. So resale is a massive factor for me to be able to get a newer car rather than sink money into one that will continue to have problems as it ages. Additionally, tesla specifically, I worry about what happens when the warranty runs out whether it'll be serviced, how much that would cost and whether it would be worth anything when i want to trade up. Otherwise an EV is perfectly fine for anything i need to do, but a hybrid or phev just makes more sense in the current market. Finally, there was a story i heard about phev owners getting charged both the gas vehicle and ev vehicle taxes for roadway use, but i dont remember where the story came from UK or Australia.
@TheSAHDLife
26 күн бұрын
I'm right there with you. I love the idea of it but just financially it doesn't seem like the smartest choice right now. It's like record versus tape versus betamax.
@ricardoroman8881
10 күн бұрын
Good informative video. thank you.
@TheSAHDLife
10 күн бұрын
Thanks! Glad you found the video 👊 So which one would you buy right now?! 😄
@davidallenmoneystories
24 күн бұрын
I got a phev as charging infrastructure is bad where I am from. The only negative is that I'm forced to top up the fuel every 3 months as it goes out of date. I pretty much drive 99% of the time in ev mode apart from when the car makes me burn old fuel. Ev side of the car is awesome and I wish I went full ev
@TheSAHDLife
23 күн бұрын
That seems mildly annoying about the gas... so how do you burn it out fast? Just drive around with the AC on? Yeah that's interesting... I've often wondered if I would be in that same boat, wishing for full EV too.
@davidallenmoneystories
18 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I got the Mitsubishi Outlander, and it requires 20L (200km) of fresh fuel every 3 months (in a 55L tank). So at least it's not a full tank. So in regards to how to burn it, I just make a point of not plugging it in when I get the 1st warning on my console, and then always drive it in "Charge mode" which runs the engine. I sometimes use it as an excuse for a weekend trip to go up or down the coast. But at the end of the video you make a great point about re sale value, so I figure the money I'm losing in having to refuel every 3 months will probably be offset by the lesser depreciation.
@BlackhawkPilot
25 күн бұрын
Studies on EV battery replacement is down to 1%
@TheSAHDLife
24 күн бұрын
Yeah?! Do you know how long of a period that accounts for? Like within the first year of ownership kind of thing or longer?
@andlb9037
29 күн бұрын
Why would you replace the whole battery after 10 years? You can change a cell or two for 200€ and here we go another 10 years! Think again my friend!
@TheSAHDLife
28 күн бұрын
I know you can replace individual cells in some of the EV's (like the ID4) but hadn't heard you can in other batteries (like Tesla)?
@andlb9037
28 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife off course you can. Even better than id models…
@GGData
Ай бұрын
Honestly, I wouldn't buy anything other than a Japanese car, and Toyota and Honda are right there for me. Even Nissan are getting better without Ghosn there. But PHEV, Toyota has the upper hand I think, although Mitsubishis look good, and Australia loves them.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
I'm kind of right there with you... I hear great things about Lexus but they seem a little out of range financially though I really haven't looked into it. My folks and best bud have Mitsi phevs and are happy with them... Who knows what the resell will be like on 5+ years though. Will anyone want them? I wouldn't want a 2019 Outlander PHEV really... The range would be so bad. My folks is a 2022 with a battery range of about 40kms... My friend just got a 2024 and says he gets 80-90 per charge but he's a bit of an exaggerater. They say online it only gets 61. That's still 50% more range in just two years though.
@xiaowei1
3 ай бұрын
I have been driving EV's for 11 years now. Never had a problem with the tyres. I live in Australia, but looking in the US, there are amazing EV plans to be had for charging - florida has a company offering $38 a month flat fee (they install the charger and is a lock in 10 year contract). So don't think "current electricity" charges is your best bet, look for an EV plan local to you, you may be suppressed. For me, we have an EV plan with free electricity between 11:00am and 2:00pm, and after midnight to 6:00am it's only 8c. I have 13.2kw of solar with a feed-in-tariff of 8c (so charging at night simply cancels out the Feed-in-tariff). Price of petrol is currently hovering around $2 per liter in Australia (that is about $7.57 per gallon). Given I drive an average of about about 100km a day (60 miles), I save we'll over $5,000 every year when compared to something like a Mazda CX5. I should add, in 11 years, I have only charged 5 times at a charging station, and i only actually needed to do it 2 times as I wanted to try them (even then i could have charged at my destination with a slow charger if i wanted to and never used an external charging station, but I wanted to save time). Every other time it has been at home - for free. I am well aware solar power in the US is stupidly expensive to install, so an EV plan may be your best option. As for resale value in 10 years for the car, it will still have a value, and the actual joy of not having to waste time at a petrol station is priceless. If you are worried about returns on an EV in 10 years, what about an ICE in 10 years with the EV's of the future? There is a risk there too. If this is really a concern, in the US a lot of people lease their car to prevent this issue. For us, insurance is the same between an EV and an ICE. For the charger, I used the charger i got with the car for the first 9 years (it was slow, but I charged whilst i slept). I finally got an 11kw charger for free when I bought my GV60 Performance. Am I happy with my choice? I will never go back to an ICE. My partner now drives my old BMW i3, and she has said the same thing. In short, very happy. Good luck with your car choice.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and great comment! I do like how you brought up the fact that ICE cars might not be in such demand in 10 years+ since the technology WILL be changing fast and people will continue to move farther away from using gas. It's great to hear from people like you chime in who have lots of experience with EV. I'm getting excited about the thought! Now if we can make the numbers work. We've been a single car family for years and it sure keeps costs down not having that second vehicle. But it's really annoying every once in awhile when we need one. How much to spend is the tough question for us for only needing a 2nd vehicle sporadically. Now we're a little older too we feel a little more... deserving a decent/reliable/newer vehicle, you know?
@xiaowei1
3 ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife Given the prices of EV's second hand are quite low, this may be a good way to step into the market (given it will be a second car). In this regard, Tesla's are in abundance. My old BMW i3 2015 model was purchased 2nd hand for $43,000 (AU), with only 12,000km on the clock back in 2017. I dove it for 6 years, saving the $4 to 5,000 per year. It's resale value is about $25,000, so calculating the savings, I'm actually still ahead and i got to drive a great little car in that time. The depreciation was very high to start with, but seems to have tapered off a bit. At the end of the day, it's still a car, it's still works very well, and it is going to be next to free to run. Good luck with you choice, I don't think you can actually go wrong.
@TheSAHDLife
3 ай бұрын
@@xiaowei1 Thanks! So many factors to really consider right? Paying more upfront doesn't mean you're wasting/spending more in the long run though it often feels like it at the time because of the sticker price. I bet that was nice having that little i3 during that time. Those were cool!
@DigiDriftZone
2 ай бұрын
Where abouts in Australia? - I'm moving to Australia towards the end of the year (either Sydney or Gold Coast), do you not find the long distances make an EV range less practical there? - has that been an issue with longer road trips at all?
@xiaowei1
2 ай бұрын
@@DigiDriftZone I live in Brisbane, near the gold coast (k0km away) and regularly go down there. The ranges on EV's these days are almost non issue. If you want to drive from the Gold Coast to Sydney which is about 1000km away, then of course it will be an issue and you'd be recharging along the way. I am probably bias, but i think the Gold Coast is nicer and cheaper than Sydney to live, but if you like built up areas, (the bigger city feel) then Sydney may be the better option. Both will have a lot of urban environments. the gold coast has by far the better beaches and warmer weather. Welcome to OZ!
@johnbrown4568
28 күн бұрын
A basic hybrid is the present day winner 🥇 🏆
@TheSAHDLife
27 күн бұрын
Yeah you know it really does seem like the least risky option, especially for a ONE vehicle family like ours.
@Alan-dl2ct
Ай бұрын
The maths are a bit off.. well the values,.. u took long range m3 vs prius prime se… top trim se 50k..and tesla a bigger car’ with more space
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Yeah I hear you... I was just sharing which one we would consider. We would probably only buy the Tesla long range... then for the Prius Prime, the SE is tempting because it gets the extra range. So it was more like which models were interesting to us, not base model vs base model kind of thing.
@anonymousfu
Ай бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife Don't bother with the long range; you don't need it. RWD is cheaper, you can charge the battery to 100% daily, and the battery is more durable.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
@@anonymousfu Well, we live in a very hilly area and it rains a lot. AWD is nice to have but yeah, it costs a LOT more. Have to think more about that.
@stephen0406
Ай бұрын
Model 3 RWD 2024 is currently less than 50k CAD with the gov't incentives. Very attractive honestly, esp. that no car thieves are looking for them. Also, social factors such as my wife not really liking the idea of working really hard just to drive a taxi car model. It's understandable to a certain extend. Plus, Toyota dealerships and their games are really off-putting in choose a Toyota. Good video btw, as it is the current headache I'm having. (Currently leading towards a Model 3 OR wait for the newly refreshed Model Y)
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
Haha I love that about working hard just to afford a taxi. Hilarious. And yeah I kind of see the point too. She's not wrong. My problem is that while the Model 3 RWD is pretty awesome, when you drive the AWD it's just SO much better. But then it bumps you out of the extra incentives etc... I wish my brain could be content with the RWD one but where we live it rains a lot, snows sometimes, and has tons of hills. I think if I didn't have those things to worry about I could consider it. I'm also excited to see the redesigned Y. It SHOULD be out later this year or the beginning of next year right? Yeah the Toyota games eh... you can't even test drive the Prime's since they never have any in as they all seem to sell so fast, or is that just a tactic? lol. We're still on 1 car waiting to figure out what to do. Car loans still aren't cheap either at the moment. If you had to buy something today what do you think it would be? If we did, it might be a 8 seater Highlander hybrid? We really want that extra space. Ugh I don't know what we'd get hehe.
@forwork5458
Ай бұрын
I would love to have a Tesla If I could afford one as for the battery I am sure the future Solid state batteries will be able to replace current batteries.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
I know, me too. I think they'll be dropping a new Model Y soon will be interesting to check out!
@rexyoda
26 күн бұрын
Ive heard about the tire thing already, that study however did not compare a ice tire with an ev tire however, and had an emphasis on reckless drivers
@TheSAHDLife
26 күн бұрын
Yeah I don't think it's a reason to make or break a buying decision... It was just something I had never considered before about the weight and how that might affect tires.
@adstix
14 күн бұрын
Smartest choice, in my opinion, is to lease a hybrid for three years, let someone else take on depreciation and then upgrade to newer solid-state tech!
@TheSAHDLife
13 күн бұрын
Yeah that's not a bad idea! I think I might check out the leasing option and maybe I'll make a video about it!
@neongelion-yt
29 күн бұрын
I had a similar issue some years ago. I love quick cars but could not justify the high price for a Tesla, so I went with a PHEV. It was very practical but I didn't enjoyed it. I sold it after 2 years without a small loss and got a Model 3 Performance, I love it but the value of this car already went down a lot. I never want to own a car which I don't enjoy to its fullest but affording one after my current car depreciated so much is a different story.
@TheSAHDLife
29 күн бұрын
That's really interesting. Other cars must be boring after that car... What would you do in hindsight... Lease? Or just get something else?
@gz1719
28 күн бұрын
Can anyone share with me sources to check the specs of any electric vehicle,thank you in advance
@TheSAHDLife
28 күн бұрын
I don't but just curious, are you hoping to find a website that breaks down specs of vehicles kind of thing?
@franklong6269
8 сағат бұрын
Get a Tesla Long Range RWD Model 3 and it will pay for itself. It's less than $35k right now after the $7,500 federal rebate in America, Canada probably has similar rebates. You get 363 miles of range. It goes 0-60 mph in 4.2 seconds. It's battery is guaranteed for eight years. It's wicked comfortable and quiet. It has the a state of the art security system. It the best self driving cruise control on the planet. It has a lot more room than a Prius Prime. It has the Tesla supercharger network. It's also become the most reliable EV on the planet, and it's the most efficient EV on the planet. With the Prius Prime you have spark plugs, oil changes, tune ups, timing chains and other gas engine maintenance, AND you will have to replace the battery. Further, it's a boring noisy ice car. It won't travel as well as the LR RWD Model 3. A Prius is nowhere close to being as comfortable and easy to drive as a Model 3. BTW, you can't find a Prius Prime to buy right now. Toyota doesn't make very many of them. Also, 10 years from now you won't be able to sell an ice car because everything will be electric. Plug in hybrids are already obsolete. Really it's a no-brainer. Buy a LR RWD Model 3. It currently is the best EV made if you consider overall cost, value and luxury. The only downside is that you will lose range in the winter. But because you charge at home, that will not affect you that much. You also can easily drive to California with a Model 3 with the Tesla supercharger network. I own the Model 3 and it's a superb highway car. The updated 2024 Highland version is even better, a lot better, than my 2022 Model 3.
@TheSAHDLife
7 сағат бұрын
You make a compelling case! The only downside is here in Canada they cost about $60,000 for the long range model 3... That puts it at a price point outside of the full rebates available (I think it's for cars under $50,000). That price combined with the high interest rates right now make it just a little too expensive salt. If it was at the price you were saying we would probably do it for sure.
@franklong6269
6 сағат бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife I think you are referring to the AWD Long Range Model 3, which is substantially higher in price than the RWD Long Range Model 3 that Tesla has just put out. Right now in America, Tesla is offering a RWD (Rear Wheel Drive) Long Range Model 3 for approximately $42,000 before any rebates. In America, the $7,500 rebate drops the price to approximately $34,900 before tax, license and dealer fees. You should have that same option to buy a RWD, Long Range Model 3. Note that your prices will vary widely because Canada's extreme-left, radical government taxes the living hell out of you. So you will need to check your local pricing. The LR, RWD Model 3 is the perfect car for you because it has 363 miles of range, and if you drive it conservatively in temperate weather, it will get that range. Several KZitem videos have come out that verify this. You seem to want a lot of range, but you could buy the base model RWD Model 3, which costs about $4,500 USD less and still get close to 300 miles of range. I own the 2022 RWD Model 3, and I love this car. It is simply amazing. The Base model, RWD Model 3 is very fast, has almost every feature of the Long Range versions and here in America, it is $4,500 cheaper than the Long Range RWD. It will get 272 miles of range if you drive conservatively in temperate weather. With all versions of the Model 3 (or any EV, for that matter), you lose 20-40% of your range in very hot or very cold weather. In the city, you will likely get nearly 300 miles of range in temperate weather with the base model IF you drive it conservatively. All of the Model 3 versions lose range if you drive very fast and accelerate fast. But if you are in the city, range loss in the winter won't be an issue, so you won't have to worry about driving conservatively. One other factor to consider is that the base model RWD Model 3 has an LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) battery bank chemistry, and LFP batteries lose VERY little of their total range over time. My 2022 Model 3 has an LFP battery, which has over 80,000 miles on it and 97% of its original battery capacity. In temperate weather, I can get as much range as when this car was new. Considering that I live in Arizona and we have just gone through a string of 60 days of temperature ranging from 105 - 118 degrees F, this is a remarkable achievement. The LFP batteries are turning out to be the most durable, long-lasting batteries on the planet. They should easily go 200,000 - 300,000 miles and keep over 90% of their capacity. Conversely, both the LR AWD and the LR RWD Model 3 cars do NOT have LFP batteries. Their batteries are good, but they degrade 10% - 15% in the first three years. Another advantage of the RWD base Model 3 is that it can be charged regularly to 100%, and it won't degrade the battery. The LR AWD and RWD Model 3 versions recommend charging to 80% because they have NMC batteries and they will degrade if charged regularly to 100%. So, for city driving, the base Model 3 with LFP batteries is the superior choice if you are going to keep the car for a long time. The Model 3 equipped with LFP batteries will also have a higher resale value than more expensive Model 3s with NMC batteries. You seem really money conscious, and I understand that. YOu might also consider buying a used 2022 base Model 3 RWD with LFP batteries in it for the short term if you can get a good buy. Here in America, there is a $4,000 rebate, so I was able to get my 2022 Model 3 for $18,900 after the rebate. It had 77 314 miles on it, but because it has the LFP battery, that doesn't matter that much. I plan to drive this car until the solid-state battery EV Tesla cars start coming out in 2027. Now, think about this. If I drive this car for three years, it will pretty much pay for itself in gas savings alone, and right now, I could sell it for the same price I paid for it on the used market. I probably would get more than I paid for it because I cleaned the radiators (it has two radiators) on the car and that dramatically improved its range and battery ratings. Honestly, for you, I would try to get a great deal from Tesla on a NEW RWD base Model 3. It has a lot of room for your family, it has a rear infotainment screen to entertain your kids on trips. They can watch movies and play games on it. It has almost all of the same features and the more expensive Model 3 versions have, there is very little difference. It has an LFP battery, which will last a very long time and maintain 90 - 97% of its capacity. Here in America, there is no federal rebate, but in Canada, you will get the full $7,000 off of the cost. Everything will be under warranty. The battery will have a full 8-year warranty. The base Model 3, with the LFP battery, has a pretty good resale value with the lower costs that Tesla has implemented. It's VERY fast, it will get 300 of miles of range in the city in temperate weather. It costs very little to charge it. It gets 5 MILES PER KW in the city. That efficiency is unheard of. it has luxury suspension. If you pay $99.00 a year Tesla will connect your car to the internet, which is a streaming deal. it has luxury sound deadening. The only real maintenance is to keep the radiators clean, and you can buy screen filters to do keep bugs, dirt, rocks, leaves and other debris from collecting on the two radiators on Amazon for $30.00. Based on the pricing you have mentioned, the base Model 3 RWD with the LFP battery with the $7000 dollar Canadian government rebate would probably be cheaper than the Prius Prime. And as I mentioned, right now it's tough to find a Prius Prime because Toeyota doesn't make that many of them. I live in the Phoenix metro area, which is the 5th largest city in the nation, and I could only find one Prius Prime that MIGHT be coming in two or three months when I looked at them. I own a 4-wheel Drive Toyota Tacoma, so I am not a Toyota hater, but the Model 3 is better than the RAV 4, the Tacoma, the Camry, and every other Toyota I have ever driven BY FAR. One other thing to consider. The Tesla UI interface is THE standard for the automotive industry. I worked over 8 months last year in New Orleans and I rented a bunch of brand new cars, including the Hyundai Sante Fe, the Rav 4, the Nissan Rogue, the Nissan Murano and other cars and their UI system are like dinosaurs compared to Tesla's UI system. Tesla is better in every way than Toyota's outdated, buggy, hard-to-use software interface on its cars. It's not even close. In my opinion, Model 3 is the best choice by far. And since money and longevity are important to you, I suggest you get the brand new base Model 3 with the LFP battery. It will last longer and have better resale value than the non-LFP battery Model 3 versions. I guarantee you that you won't miss the 600-mile range of the Prius because you can fast-charge the RWD base Model 3 from 10 - 80% (if you precondition the battery in cold weather) in 20 - 25 minutes at Level 3 Tesla Superchargers and Tesla has installed Level 3 chargers along every highway, in every major city and in most midsize cities. My 2022 Model 3 took about 22 minutes to charge from 15-80% at a Tesla supercharger, and it does not charge as fast as the 2024 Model 3. You can travel to any major city using the Tesla supercharger network. It is the best charging network on the planet.
@741255
15 күн бұрын
Tesla is not the only EV in the world. It is am expensive car for what it is offering. You can try the cost with a Hyundai Kona, Ioniq or Bayon. Try do it with other cars as well, even Byd. You may find that, over 10 years, EV cost less. After 10 years, if you are still happy with the car, have a new battery if needed and keep going with it as a 2nd car or accept the loss and get a better one for another 10 years. Anyway nobody hold cars for 10 years now. Lease an EV for 4 years and pay only the depreciation on the 4 years. Bargain!
@TheSAHDLife
15 күн бұрын
You know, I've never considered a lease before but now almost seems like a decent time to consider it. And I WISH BYD were available in our area. They seem sweet... because you're right, there are others to consider. Tesla still just seems like the best though.
@gn6877
11 күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLifethe problem with leasing is that you pay more than you would pay buying with finance and sell it after the same 4 years (in Portugal the interest is way greater for leasing)
@TheSAHDLife
11 күн бұрын
@@gn6877 I know right? It doesn't make sense to me either but there has to be a reason so many people do it. I'll try and get to the bottom of it soon. Maybe people just hate selling stuff? I mean I get that... but it's so much money you save.
@danielking2944
2 күн бұрын
The EV won’t wear out the tires any more than any other car if you don’t accelerate like a maniac. M3 and My are far safer in a serious accident than any other cars. They are far less likely to catch on fire in an accident since they don’t have gasoline. The LFP batteries in the newer EVs are much less likely to cause a fire compared to NMC batteries in older cars. The plug is hybrid has all the maintenance of ICE and EV ,so more points of failure. The resale value of cars at ten years is based on the idea that we’re going to drive it another ten years. If I planned to keep it that long ,I’d prefer a straight gas powered Toyota over the plug in due to its simplicity for maintenance reasons. The M3 will likely last 20 years also and be left with a valuable home storage battery or valuable recycle item. The fact that in ten years range anxiety will move to ICE cars because there won’t be enough market for gasoline to justify the production and distribution costs will make gas stations like the livery stables you see on every corner where you leave your horse when you go into the city. I love my 2004 Highlander and will probably drive it the rest of my driving career. I might even buy another used one if it was cheap enough. I would never buy any new ICE vehicle at this point in time even if it was as good as the Highlander.
@TheSAHDLife
2 күн бұрын
Interesting take. I have a feeling gas stations will be around for quite some time still but it'll be interesting to see what happens. No one really has any clue. That's awesome you've had a great experience with the highlander. That's what we've kind of been considering as our only family vehicle. An eevee would be cool as the secondary car for getting around town but we don't really need one quite yet so we'll wait as long as we can before we get a second vehicle.
@SifuBang
Күн бұрын
10 years on a pure ev? Plug in rav4 baby!
@TheSAHDLife
Күн бұрын
Quite the wait to get one around here! Would be sweet though. Do you have one or are getting one?
@SifuBang
Күн бұрын
@@TheSAHDLife have one on hold hopefully it's ready this week. From what I see in ca. these are ready available to order.
@MrBlackhen
2 ай бұрын
I think the Prius maintenance cost will much more than the Tesla in the next 10 years. Since Tesla have much more marketshare mean it easier to find the replacement part.
@TheSAHDLife
2 ай бұрын
Interesting take! I mean the Prius should be pretty low maintenance I think it's one of the reasons it's the main Taxi car. But still, perhaps compared to Electrics, maybe it IS a lot. I just don't know!
@timothykeith1367
Ай бұрын
The Prius is easier to find third party maintenance than an EV - the design is very troublefree. A Prius can last 20 years and still be worth repairing. Be aware that many Prius owners interpret "low maintenance" to be "no maintenance" - have a used Prius checked out for engine sludge from having almost no oil changes. A depreciated cared for Prius can be very low cost to operate. Many DIY all their own Prius repairs as they don't randomly crap-out, a few issues are common after 250,000 miles and most are simple to repair. The suitcase sized Prius battery swap isn't costly anymore to DIY - be aware a dealer could charge $5,000 to replace the battery, but a 3rd party shop is much less, or do it yourself - it's under the back seat and easily accessed. It's about as involved as replacing a drive on a laptop, just heavier
@conchobar
Ай бұрын
Im not a Prius fan, especially given their prices, but Teslas have awful parts availability. Its the primary reason Hertz sold most of its Tesla Fleet. Hertz repairs ans maintains their fleet, but Tesla struggled to provide adequate parts in a timely manner or even tech support.
@MrBlackhen
Ай бұрын
Btw you guys are probably from the US right, because the EV battery is expensive there compared to China.
@TheSAHDLife
Ай бұрын
@MrBlackhen I'm in Canada but a lot of my audience is US... Same same
@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG
29 күн бұрын
Road conditions, elevation and terrain affects range for EVs which contributes to range anxiety. Thus Plug in Hybrid or Hybrid is still more robust and reliable as compared to full EVs.
@TheSAHDLife
29 күн бұрын
That's definitely something I wonder about. We still haven't committed to one yet... though I lean towards EV for us since we do 99% of our driving around town and could plug in every night. In a perfect world we'd have a bigger hybrid for family trips and a small EV for scurrying around town.
@robaaafett6907
25 күн бұрын
And what about the maintenance?? I would assume it's double on non ice cars due to the batteries. And a hybrid has both!!
@TheSAHDLife
25 күн бұрын
It's a good question but since I've never owned them I can't really weigh in on that truly. It sounds like every car has regular maintenance as far as tire alignment and breaking goes etc. maybe the engines and batteries might need different maintenance due to oil changes or I don't know exactly what EVs need but... It's probably prudent to get it regularly checked. The older I get the less I like to mess around with things like bad breaks or bald tires. It's just not worth cheaping out with that stuff. I have... And paid for it!
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