Gryphons to my ears 👂 again is more musical and engaging than Boulder ..
@savvaskontrafouris9346
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jay, this video confirmed the sound superiority of Gryphon over Boulder. Boulder sounds sterile and artificially hifi. Gryphon is providing a way more natural sound. I think it’s about time to get Gryphon monos
@cronedrome
3 жыл бұрын
First - this is truly a groundbreaking shoot out, thank you so much for doing this Jay. Gryphon is the winner again for me. I don’t know how it is in your room but these tracks blossom instantly through the Mephisto and Alexx. Boulder still feels lean, anemic, although more crisp this time around (Synergistic?) which is a total surprise given the power of the Boulder. I was fully prepared to hear it triumph and witness the end of the Gryphon era in the Lab. I don’t know how you move on from the Pandora/Mephisto/AQ Dragon combo after this clear victory by the bad boys of Denmark, tho!
@jeremymckean3574
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon again. Boulders just sound as they have so much control like we’re listening in anechoic environment. It’s just not free enough. Attack and decay are so constrained. The Gryphon opens up the space. It’s tall, wide and importantly deeper. On the Tube through phones is truly an impossible evaluation. I can’t wait to hear your verdict. I’m just happy to listen to these monsters. Pretty badass!
@hectoralvarez941
3 жыл бұрын
Jay, Gryphon. Thanks for the comparison. Very impressed with Gryphon. Maybe the best value at this level.
@mikewinburn
3 жыл бұрын
gryphon - tighter, less reverb/less "spacious". I like them both. i would suggest taste will run based on the type of music one likes to listen to.
@edgarmisplaced7924
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon sounds more musical to my ears and brings you "into" the music!
@ningwang7378
3 жыл бұрын
Another vote to the Gryphon hands down(just personal preference) the Boulder shows crazy amount of resolutions speed and transient attacks. A clear higher level above the mephsisto. Great work Jay! Thanks for your effort.
@davidblahey4851
3 жыл бұрын
Wow...nice... Boulder is playing so effortlessly, like it isn’t trying or working hard...but the Gryphon is my choice for music enjoyment.
@weymouthbayhotel173
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay. You done a fantastic job as always. I think the Griffin has got more control than the Boulder in the base.? They're both excellent. I'm waiting to hear your comments my dear boy. Have been a dealer and audio file myself for for the last 40 years I do appreciate what you do. All the very best to you J Keepsafe Albert
@moran2354
3 жыл бұрын
Beyerdynamic 880 Pro is my source here; Gryphon wins this one too; no matter what the cables are; in the meantime there was a noticeable improvement in Wilson's voice section but not enough IMHO ... Gryphon is like 750 watts ARC amp very smooth and gorgeous sounding. Boulder emphasize too much upper midrange in the voice and the guitar ... But Boulder today is much much better than the last one. My winner is Gryphon, hands down, cheers Jay 👍 thank you for this opportunity. 😊
@user-od9iz9cv1w
3 жыл бұрын
Again, thanks for an amazing presentation. Again, both are fantastic and this time it got tougher. IMHO both of these systems are even better than Evaluation #1. My guess is you are now using the Dragon cables. The two systems are still very different, but my preference was much less pronounced than in Eval #1. To my ear, they both had more detail and clarity. The improvement was more pronounced in the Boulder than the Gryphon. Now it is more a matter of taste which you would choose to live with. I think it is still the Gryphon, but now the Boulder is damn fine. I still prefer the air and texture of the Gryphon. But the tight definition and strength of the Boulder is now very enticing. So if forced to take one it would be the Gryphon, but I'd feel blessed to live with either. As I said before, I think it sounds like Boulder uses feedback. You either like that sound or not. Not knowing either amp, I read their reviews and sure enough reviewers claim Boulder is unabashed user of feedback while Gryphon brags about zero feedback. I found it amazing I could spot it listening on KZitem... so credit to your presentation.
@Maxiinti
3 жыл бұрын
The Gryphon win more body 🔊👍
@adrianm1949
3 жыл бұрын
First Video: Clear victory (3-0) for Gryphon. Natural, on point, easier to listen. Second Video: Neck and neck. Last song fits better to Boulder. It starts with guests applause (-> more realistic) and a better flow/dynamic. Good vibe. Switch of cables seems to work.
@gryphondiablo3006
3 жыл бұрын
Mephisto is more emotional, more musicality 🔊🔊🔊
@davidnewboult6887
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video Jay, you've guessed it, another vote for the Gryphon I have just listened again to your previous vid since you have said "only the speaker cables have changed" I would go with the ones on this video although there's not much in it listening through these phones
@ckmartinez
3 жыл бұрын
I'll take one of each please!. This, Eval #2, it seems the cables brought the Boulders neck and neck with the Gryphons. The Boulders have an effortlessness that is remarkable and never seem strained or harsh. The Gryphons possibly have a tiny bit more emotional involvement to me, though momentarily they felt like they were "reaching" to resolve notes that the Boulders never broke a sweat on. While I suspect most of us could live happily ever after with either, we all know Jay of course can't, which is why we LOVE what's he's doing here, and can't wait to continually tune in to follow his incredible quest for the next level:). 2021 gonna be a whole lotta fun with you Maestro Jay!! Your hard work and daring do not go unrecognized.
@weymouthbayhotel173
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay. Ring listen to the video again. I think the Griffin has got a much cleaner sound than the Boulder. Better control in the bass and a slightly bigger sound stage definitely more dynamic . I might be wrong please let me know if I am right or wrong my dear friend. God bless you Albert
@panditec1
3 жыл бұрын
Well both amps are stunning. If I was mixing or mastering my choice will have been the Boulder however for pure high end listening the Gryphon is more musical engaging. Thank you for the great comparisons.
@Andrei.P1
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon more musical 🍾🥂
@bhupendraparekh6225
3 жыл бұрын
That gryphon flies higher, the boulder is stuck on the ground. Err Ok, both great, just prefer the gryphon.
@johnhovanec6240
3 жыл бұрын
I kinda like the gryphon this time around.
@antonioiacovelli2034
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon win more organic and natural sound,for half price right comparison is with mephisto monos,
@bikemike1118
3 жыл бұрын
…then not half price anymore
@blackhawk3498
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay, I liked the Gryphons for this one as well but the Boulder sounded better then it did on the first video, to me that is. Thanks
@pkunz1
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Boulder. I can understand why many prefer the Gryphon. It has a tube-like warmth coupled with solid state power dynamics. To me the Boulder does less coloring of the sound and is the choice for long term listening.
@eafc2112
3 жыл бұрын
I really didn't think I'd hear a difference...but...the Gryphon sounded more natural, more "right".
@davidrivera2165
3 жыл бұрын
For sure the switch in interconnects benefited the Boulders in this round, Gryphon still slightly ahead. What many are calling "musical" when referring to the Gryphon boils down to an open transparency and richer fuller sound. The winner are the Alexx, and all of us. These demos in person would probably , make our jaws drop.
@jaysaudiolab
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you David
@mikehoward4583
3 жыл бұрын
Boulder is my pick this time for all tracks. Gryphon seems to keep the same tubelike sound. Both are very good.
@gtxguy
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon is a warmer sound and the Boulder is a faster and more detailed amp and pleasant to listen to also. Very Very Nice!
@dariuszkupczyk2639
3 жыл бұрын
... time for mephisto SOLO😊
@warren818
3 жыл бұрын
What I'm about to say would not be known if you only were able to listen to the Gryphon alone. I really like the Boulder because it is so pure and pristine, but I really like the Gryphon because is has that dark romanticness about it. The Gryphon just is not up to the bar on pureness (only apparent in this direction comparison of these two stellar amps) but has the musicality that I think most audiophiles crave. Would love to hear where cabling can take the Boulder and hoping for it to retain the pureness but gain the musicality that the Gryphon has - hoping for pure musicality. In the end, I know that listening on my AKG headphones is one thing, but being there with Jay will be a totally different thing. And I trust that Jay has shared how he feels about both amps as I already jumped to his newest discussion of the two. Thanks Jay.
@henriksrensen3220
3 жыл бұрын
Again Gryphon ❤ more "musical"
@Lionroarr
3 жыл бұрын
Boulder got deeper bass, more dynamic, and higher clarity. Gryphon has more tube-like, more musical, more lay-back, and more neutral. They both are incredible on top of any list.
@ralfboegel6089
3 жыл бұрын
No doubt: The Gryphon is more controlled, more transparent and siginifgicantly more refined. Which does not mean the Bolder is diappointing!
@tggonzales7971
3 жыл бұрын
Of course I can’t afford either, but if I could, would be the Boulders in my listening room. Sound better to my ears in this demo. Thanks Jay.
@henrygunawan
3 жыл бұрын
Still prefer the gryphons.. warmer, holographic, more real. The boulders sound thinner and more anakytical. Go get the memphisto monoblocks!!
@FlemmingDP
3 жыл бұрын
Well Jay this is really hard and very close , the Boulder is now cleaner and not as lean as in the first video , also the highs are better here......i can hear that the Gryphon is still very very good but some of the highs are starting to be too much of a good thing , and i think that Synergistic research cables are on Gryphon this time :) , Hmm might be wrong.....but i am really surprised how good the Gryphon are.....i thought that Boulder would simply put the Gryphon to rest ,,,, but clearly not. Thanks again Jay for your fantastic job...i can only imagine that next you have to go Wilson Audio XVX , he he . Easy to say when i dont have to pay, and they will never fit in my small room as well as money.
@mdenny264
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Gryphon, both of which are extremely good. However, I can well imagine that Jay likes Boulder better, if only because he comes from the USA. I use Gryphon myself and haven't heard better electronics yet.
@jaysaudiolab
3 жыл бұрын
I own both products. It doesn't matter which product wins.
@jayjackson1044
3 жыл бұрын
For me, the Gryphon hands down. The Boulders sounded sterile, the Gryphons sounded cleaner, with better jumps on highs and transients, more like real music. The bass was a little looser, but again, more “real”. Kinda amazed I could hear the difference.
@stephenbarnes8817
3 жыл бұрын
Spent some amount of time with both videos, and then comparing thirst to second. In the first the Gryphon was clearly better. The Boulder seemed to have more delay, or echo, which I attribute to spaciousness and how it’s coming across through the mircrophone. The Gryphon was much more detailed and in control with more detail, because the delay reduced the perception of detail, and it felt like looking at an oncoming cars headlights at night in the rain. You know what they really look like, but they blow out because of the diffraction caused by the rain. The second video was much different. The Boulders responded very well to the cable change. The Gryphon sounded a bit better here as well, but did not see nearly the difference that the Boulders did. The first song was pretty even between the two, but the next two saw the Boulder pull ahead in clarity and detail for me, though the differences wernt huge, it was there. I could hear more, and better detail in the Boulders, the guitars and vocals sounded more natural to the real thing. If anyone can’t tell the differences in the cables, they should just stick to their Alexa or iPad for their music listening, as spending anything more would be a waste of money. This also goes to show that better depends. It depends on how well matched you’ve picked the surrounding components. Just because something is expensive dosnt mean it will necessarily work well in any environment. I can imagine the more someone goes through these things the better they can predict what will and won’t work, but then again I’m quite sure that nothing is assured and the proof remains to be heard.
@klaymoon1
3 жыл бұрын
Love to see dCS straight into Mephisto and 2150!!
@younglee5949
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon wins this round. I am really interested in what you have done differently as compared to the first round. Boulder sounds less "dynamic" in this round.
@keesvanwoerden2156
3 жыл бұрын
The Gryphon obliterates the Boulders in terms of believable soundstage, naturalness and overall musicality. The Boulders are a blunt instrument; the Gryphon European sophistication.
@analogue76
3 жыл бұрын
The Gryphon sound more 3d in this video or the boulder more flat. I'm using my audio-technica m50x
@borisjelenc1217
3 жыл бұрын
I find it hard to say in this clip because there may be something wrong with the phase or the left and right channel settings. At grayphon comes first song / mark k. voice goes to the right at boulder it goes to the left.
@VideoArchiveGuy
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon is more musical, Boulder is dryer, very fast but notes don't have any body or sustain.
@francisraimundo
3 жыл бұрын
I don't change any word of what i've said before. Boulders have more power, the bass is deeper, punchier and it presents music in a way I like better. Only a deaf can't hear the difference between the two
@sergeitatarintsev5786
3 жыл бұрын
The G system is ahead once again, because it's more musical and involving. The difference with the previous round is that the B system this time seems to have the "juicier" set of cables. As a result, the G sounds a bit "leaner" than before, while the B has got a sort of "naturalism", but still not much musicality...
@theflyingdutchman7127
3 жыл бұрын
The Gryphon
@danielbabeux5500
3 жыл бұрын
Yesterday, I picked the Gryphon as my preference...Today, it is the Boulders, which sounds more natural and balsy than yesterday. A lot more air and dynamics IMHO. So what it tells me is that we have better system cable integration today with the Boulders. The gap between both amplifiers has closed down, when compared to yesterday. Both are both very good, but would give a sligth edge to the Boulders.
@jojoben229
3 жыл бұрын
THE GRYPHON SOUND BETTER ...........
@klaymoon1
3 жыл бұрын
The other night, I liked Gryphon better, but I like Boulder better tonight. I'm a Boulder fanboy by the way. :)
@dougg1075
3 жыл бұрын
I know it’s part of our madness but if it’s not obvious which is better or you need them both in house for a back and forth to tell the difference then get the least expensive one one or the better built one or the one with the best customer service. I love both of these dream amps. I guarantee you some excellent THC oil would boost the perceived performance of this system by 30 percent or more:)
@mang1953
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon for the win!
@Realgregoryroman
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon adds spicies to sound. Listing to it live is not the thing im in.
@jackhuang1434
3 жыл бұрын
My personal preference is that the boulder 2150 , you have to be there in order clarify it. Also wires up with transparent magnum opus cablings . This high out amplication requires fine tune in order to get greatest performance. I own them, I know that for fact.
@dariuszkupczyk2639
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon wiN👌🏻🔥🎸🥇👑
@carlosnocon3198
3 жыл бұрын
Still prefer the Gryphon sound Thank you
@bikemike1118
3 жыл бұрын
As I listen KZitem only via iPad for me the difference is not too obvious and more a matter of taste 🤷🏻
@1326relmiri
11 ай бұрын
What’s the point by comparing the Boulder 2150 mono to the Gryphon Mephisto stereo??? That’s not a fair fight I wonder how the G M solo’s in comparison… Or alternatively the 2160 in comparison Any thoughts?
@matsh.4344
3 жыл бұрын
Both very good in their own ways. Still prefer the more emotionally involving sound of the Boulders - more relaxing. I believe that you can listen much longer with the Boulders than the Gryphon. Gryphon is very impressive with the transparency and details in the beginning but then It becomes a bit to much information to take in/analyse for me.
@chadisrc
3 жыл бұрын
I also still prefer the Boulders, as you mentioned more emotionally involving. I think the reason they are more relaxed is because they drive those speakers with just sheer effortlessness.
@matsh.4344
3 жыл бұрын
@@chadisrc Yes I agree. It like Jay said in the last summary video that Boulder have so much information but the presentation is not in your face. If you listen at a store I can think that the more forward Gryphon could impress more in short demo.
@silviosarunic3234
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon all the way. Its interesting to hear that so expensive amps, and amps in their high end level, can sound so different. i listened the same Gryphon with Sonus Faber Aida, and some Griphon speaker in the same price range as SF Aida, and Gryphon won again.... in terms of the speakers.... so, sound is quite musical, detailed and more airy..for my ears :) :) ..... Gryphons are great products in every point. Maybe Wilsons love Gryphons much more than Boulders :) :) Have you tried wilsons with Lamm M1.2. Monoblocks? It Would be great to hear that comparison :) Great video!
@oohtob6685
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon for me.
@audiohertz2341
3 жыл бұрын
BTW, Jay did you select cables best suited for each amp or voiced them on one vs the other. I would also try different pre amps before drawing up to a conclusion on better vs best ..
@geminijinxies7258
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon
@KT88gs
3 жыл бұрын
Thats strange,i prefer the Gryphon over the Boulder,did you use the SR speakercable,the Gryphon sounds more clear to me and i like a clear sound,this is very difficult,but no way that the Boulder sounds cramped or to transparant.
@newtonbriggs5525
8 ай бұрын
Well jay I have been seeing ur stuff Nice gear I just started. Now you tell us wich one u think is good since ur there
@grandebufalife
3 жыл бұрын
The first video i liked the Boulder this time i like the Gryphon . Now try them on the Wilson XVX 😇😇😇
@michaelbjerre4871
6 ай бұрын
Boulder - More grip/control, a wider stage, but also a bit dry in the presentation. Gryphon - narrower stage, deeper more thumping/powerfull bass, maybe a little less control than the Boulder - but a sense of more like being at a live concert. Of course - this is based on what I hear through headphones - could be a very different story if I was actually in the room.
@perfectsoundpursuit007
3 жыл бұрын
Jay , i don't no how i say .. I see here , majority ( all ) like Gryphon ( me too ) , but music not have pictures of choir stage , how is arrangement of instruments , air from room ( to jazz ) or stage .. It's more details in sound and stage .. To this level of audio system , this things counts !
@udomsub1295
Жыл бұрын
I prefer Boulder to Gryphon. The details are clear and clean. No need to image the sound stage .
@skies2clear
3 жыл бұрын
As much as I can tell on KZitem, yes, The Gryphon is a bit tonally richer, but, the Boulder is cleaner, and more velvety smooth with greater dynamic ease and swings whereas by comparison the Gryphon just sounds slightly strained. I pick the Boulder and yet my preference is for a slightly richer sounding system , but it just pulls things apart in a cleaner and more authoritative way and manages to show more body on electric guitars surprisingly. Thanks for the video And I’ll be very interested to read your opinion Jay, actually being able to hear them in reality. I just used an alternative playback setup and on the second track the voice is harsher and grainier on the Gryphon, confirming what I heard before. But neither of these sounding anywhere near as good as on good vinyl pressings on a very good system. KZitem the problem? Probably but who knows. There always seems to be an unnatural hardness and brittleness to the sound imo. I'm just really surprised, regardless of the KZitem aspect, more people can't hear the Gryphon sounds more strained and less smooth than the Boulder???
@Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape
3 жыл бұрын
This is a tremendous shoot out As others have said they seem closer I thought gryphon better first track especially the voice and lead instrument but other instruments seemed to be a little forgotten, boulder seemed more even handed with all instruments and greater sense of stage depth but not as fleshed instruments The second track I thought was a little different and maybe with my taste the Boulder but agree the gryphon was more liquid The third track it seems the tables were flipped like the gryphon was cold or something and the Boulder seemed to have all the strengths the gryphon had in the first video I would have to give a slight edge to Boulder, is it breaking in more not sure of the other changes made , the results seemed to raise more questions than answer I also think it would be interesting to hear more than just light baritone voices which may favour one style of presentation as it’s a distinction vocal range, once again I thought the gryphon presentation of bass rather fat, and would love to here some drums or tympani , maybe it’s a room interplay hitting a room peak, and not the amps themselves I noticed a few times the Boulder presentation of accompanying instruments seemed more fleshed out, especially in the last track of video two where there seems a great gulf in the twos amps Timbral density favouring the Boulder imho ....
@keesvanwoerden2156
3 жыл бұрын
BTW Thanks for mentioning the songs you play.
@manardh7387
3 жыл бұрын
Neither presentation appealed to me this time. Another thing I noticed before and I think I hear it again. The speakers need adjustment when going from the stereo to mono amps. The imaging on the mono's on MY end never sound right. The image could be fine in the room with the speakers. Anyway, thanks again for the work on this.
@35Helena
2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like Gryphon have more sound of the room? Or mayby I hear wrong?With my Iphone 5s and sennhesier hd 600/akg 271 mk2.
@fredgilreath6062
3 жыл бұрын
On the first round I preferred the Gryphon but this time I like the Boulder. These cables to me seem to be much better for the Boulder. Still I think I prefer the Gryphon from the first shootout. I wonder if the Boulder pre with Gryphon & cables from first one are best.
@jasonwoods7665
3 жыл бұрын
Gryphon i like better
@Benvos
3 жыл бұрын
The last song shows the best difference, the better musicality of the Gryphon with the better detail and separation of the Boulder. Tough choice, my assumption is you’ll lean towards musicality overall and keep the Gryphon.
@jontiffinphoto
3 жыл бұрын
My perceptions are the Boulder has a bit more presence vs the Gryphon being just a bit pulled back. I’ll take both and do my own evaluation.
@jaysaudiolab
3 жыл бұрын
😂
@booaaaa
3 жыл бұрын
For tracks 1 and 2 Gryphon but for track 3 the Boulder.....
@divadgnol67
3 жыл бұрын
Those boulders crush. Pun intended
@hyprsha
2 жыл бұрын
Boulder. More information, more cohesion, nothing jumps at your face.
@pacificateur3630
3 жыл бұрын
Boulder is just more musical. More nuanced, wider soundstage.
@newtonbriggs5525
8 ай бұрын
I think the boulders take the cake but that’s just me and on another note there in Colorado in case. Just in case. My Irsv are gonna sing with these or my dragons
@atishaysingh5114
3 жыл бұрын
GRY... IMO...
@gazhotoyan3735
3 жыл бұрын
No comparison boulder is in a different level I've been on stage since I was 12 years old i haven't heard anything better in real timing better than boulder
@JimmyG91
3 жыл бұрын
Is it just me who thinks the boulder has more nuanced and faster bassresponse? Also a bit leaner than the gryphon. I feel the boulder is more musical in the lower freq range. Heard it clear on death row. And on nils löfgren it was clear the midrange was more detailed on the boulder. I think boulder wins in this video. Also the best sound to date from your room on youtube. But wish the stellas were still here to disolve all microdetails from both amps.
@camilocastaneda4970
3 жыл бұрын
The Diablo rules 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
@audiohertz2341
3 жыл бұрын
The gryphon is not as detailed or as clear as the boulder , the Gryphon tends to blend where the Boulder is clear and distinct in how it separates recording details ..
@polymusegal
3 жыл бұрын
I still like Boulder better. I hear A little more detail and it draws me into the music.
@Daniel-hk3ru
3 жыл бұрын
Boulders wins this round in my opinion - slightly better detail with slightly better low frequency response. Caveat, extremely close this round.
@АлександрАлександр-к8п
3 жыл бұрын
GRIPHONE vs audio recearch. Пожалуйста!!!
@eddieruiz8503
6 ай бұрын
Gryphon is natural and open with a bigger sound stage
@gazhotoyan3735
3 жыл бұрын
Boulder is more cleaner and more educated than the gryphon hands down Boulder is much better
@yoogeebearproductions
3 жыл бұрын
Bro, This is not a fair comparison- how many hours on the Boulder Vs Gryphon? As the rest of the comments Gryphon has the edge if you compare it like this, once Boulder run in properly it might be better to compare again. Then who knows Boulder might be the one!
@craigwilliams8948
3 жыл бұрын
I am curious about the cables. The second round was close and I might give the Boulder the win for the body, meat it portrayed. In the first round, the Gryphon was clearly better to my ears. More controlled low end with cohesive tone throughout.
@matzeflamingos
3 жыл бұрын
Boulder - but it's very close
@milosevicbojan07
3 жыл бұрын
Boulder more bass,balanced sound, sterile,dead,but linear. Griphon less lower frequency, upper spectrum pronounced and because of that harshness appears.
@68arild
3 жыл бұрын
this time I prefered the boulder on all 3 songs the first two songs boulder did really separated it selves, the grypton did well on the 3rd song I thought
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