Thxxxx been really into hypernet recently I just did not have the money to test it out. Now I can just follow ur vid :)
@CoachKristoffersen
3 жыл бұрын
Finally got around to selling something on the Hypernet - thanks for the "push". Bought for 58.6M + 8M for nodes+fees = 66.6M. Sold for 78M in a few hours - didn't even have to buy any nodes myself.
@umadbroimatroll7918
Жыл бұрын
Buying the nodes that would be profit is worth it, because you lose that 20m or so profit but you gain the chance for getting your ship back, in the end it's a gamble but if you only risk the possible profit it's a break even or profit.
@spamonly
3 жыл бұрын
The fees and HyperCore costs have an interresting effect. If my numbers are correct I get only 11.6 mio isk profit for selling a 900mio ship when I buy 50% of the nodes. (buy prize: 703mio, hypernet sell: 900mio, HyperCore cost 283 700 isk, 168 HyperCores needed). If I am not mistaken the reason for that is that the margin in isk between buy and sell is a lot higher in this example than in your example with the Kikimora. That would mean that for more expensive items it would be much better not to buy 50% of the nodes, resulting in 104mio isk profit for that example - at least if it sells.
@rainrirox148
3 жыл бұрын
I was expecting a video about the Titan Graveyard but this one is not bad it s a good topic "Isk is the only topic of this game " LOL.... thank you again for this great job :) and Happy new year
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
Next video is the titan one so do stay tuned ;-) Im struggling with the music for it lol.
@dunovancarr4879
3 жыл бұрын
The seller buying up half the nodes doesn't effect your odds of winning unless you wanted to buy more than 50% of the nodes. If you are going to only buy 10 of 48, whoever owns the other 38 do not matter to your odds of winning. It's not cheating.
@N4jss
3 жыл бұрын
made half a billion in about 1 hr! thx man
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
Nice one great stuff bud!
@CoachKristoffersen
3 жыл бұрын
I've had too many discussions about buying your own nodes being a scam. It's clearly not - the more nodes you buy yourself, the less money you make. I don't understand, how people can keep calling it a scam.
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
TBH its a really easy way to see who understands maths and those who dont .
@Parobro
3 жыл бұрын
It only a scam because you can buy your own node
@CoachKristoffersen
3 жыл бұрын
@@Parobro But how is that a scam? You just make less money, and it doesn't affect anyone else
@Parobro
3 жыл бұрын
@@CoachKristoffersen in the real world, people can’t play the lottery if they work for the lottery company for a reason. A lottery shouldn’t benefit the lottery maker.
@CoachKristoffersen
3 жыл бұрын
@@Parobro In the real world, it's not allowed, since people working for the lottery could affect the results. That's not the case here - it's CCP that picks the winner. When the owner buys their own nodes, they are making LESS money - worst scam ever 😁
@Beechsack
3 жыл бұрын
Your point is valid about the psychology of having 50% of the nodes bought attracting more people, but you are essentially gambling a bit yourself in doing so, right? If you always buy 4/8 nodes, you then must win yourself at least 50% of the time in order to profit. Using your example, 48M for the Kiki + 3.4M for the cores + 33.2M for 4/8 nodes = 84.6M spent. If you win, you net 30.6M profit. ( Return is 48M Kiki + 67.2M nodes - 3.4M relay fee ). If you don't win, you lose 20.8M. ( 67.2M nodes - 3.4M relay fee)
@d2dreamer
3 жыл бұрын
Sure, but the maths on that is sound. 50% of the time you gain 30mil, 50% of the time you lose 20mil. On average every 2 relays you post, you're making 10mil.
@christiansessler1072
3 жыл бұрын
Great video as ever thx
@Abystrap
3 жыл бұрын
I rlly enjoy you videos. Next time teach us some tips for get a better chance to win in hypernet.
@CoachKristoffersen
3 жыл бұрын
Pray to Bob
@DrunkenGuitarGuy
3 жыл бұрын
Abys and people like you are why the trade hubs are filled with "isk doublers"!
@willowtan7113
3 жыл бұрын
I got a vedmak off of you, thanks!
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
Ha nice one ;-)
@o1HeartBreakKid
2 жыл бұрын
I will always see the "buy own nodes" as a scam in the way, i rather lose it to someone else that wants it, rather then the owner, just milked me for x amount of isk just to resell it and milk more isk, same if the seller uses alts but that can be hard see But nontheless good explanin of hypernet and how it works
@JakeMaxwellWatts
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks Strange Net. Something's not working for me in the numbers - can you help clarify? I have an example with a Svipul: Bought for 38.2m, put up on the Hypernet for 56.2m. Fees were 2.8m, cores cost 2.6m. I bought four of my own nodes at a cost of 28.1m. I won the first round, making a profit of 22.7m. But statistically I will lose the next round, which I did. The costs were the same (2.8+2.6+28.1=33.5). So by the end of that process I have made a total loss of 10.8m. Did I just choose the wrong item?
@JakeMaxwellWatts
3 жыл бұрын
Or is my mistake here that I should have added the ship sell price for a second time, therefore making a profit...?
@dominickw2878
3 жыл бұрын
@@JakeMaxwellWatts Correct, Add the cost of the ship + The profit off creating the HyperNet offer and it comes out to profit.
@sueycuomo8673
2 жыл бұрын
@@JakeMaxwellWatts Simply dont buy your own nodes?
@Camelboy68
3 жыл бұрын
HNY to you !
@wojtek0128
3 жыл бұрын
You don’t take into account the fact that if you lose the item on the first try, you paid for the item plus you spent to buy 4 of the cores, so if you lose that item on the first run you actually lose money
@aaronrobinson8356
3 жыл бұрын
Hey man, I wanted to reach out to you since I'm a brand-spankin'-ass new player to EVE Online, and I wanted to see if you could help me since you've been playing for at least 15 years. I know you have some helpfull videos, but I would appreciate the 1 on 1, and I don't have many friends to chat with.
@Crozula
3 жыл бұрын
I really don't understand the buying half the nodes yourself part... Is it just to avoid having the offer not sell and losing the cores? You have a 50/50 chance of just losing the offer and therefore taking a significant loss... or winning the offer the first time, getting a large margin, but then re-listing it and losing, bringing your margin down to almost nothing... The margins are much better just listing the item and not buying half the nodes and the only risk of loss is if it doesn't sell, which is a much smaller loss than buying half the nodes and losing. Seems like it would be safer to increase the chance of the offer completing by lowering the total price and just not buying the nodes... IE lower the total price so your margin drops from say, 25% to 18-20% so the buy in price per person is lower to incentivize them buying it. Reduces the risk of the offer not completing and eliminates the risk of falling below 50% win rate and nets a higher profit margin. The chances of an empty Hypernet offer completing successfully would have to be lower than roughly 1 in 4 to start taking a loss without buying half the nodes yourself. Are the odds of an empty Hypernet offer being completed THAT low?? I feel like the fewer offers you are listing, the worse the luck is going to hurt, and if you list enough offers to truly hit the 50% win rate, you've cut your margins WAY down (from roughly 25% to roughly 10% in the example from the video).
@Jimmy72nd
3 жыл бұрын
How are you making profit when your having to spend 8mill on each of your own nodes? That's an extra 32 mill you spent on top of setting it all up right? Interesting video though 🤔
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Jim, you get that IS back as you have bought your own nodes ;-)
@Jimmy72nd
3 жыл бұрын
@@strange_Net Oh really, that's really interesting to know, thank you very much.
@Gosuo
3 жыл бұрын
@@strange_Net This is not how that works. You still need to remove that amount from your profits as it is your own money
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gosuo I dont include the ISK I get back as profit but its not a loss either.
@ellesedil6772
3 жыл бұрын
@@strange_Net So, when you buy half of your nodes, your actual profit is half of the difference between your total HyperNet price and your market cost + fees + cores?
@BruceCarbonLakeriver
3 жыл бұрын
I just started to produce ammo .. erm in huge amounts on orders. Better than fiddeling around with the market.
@SahasaV
3 жыл бұрын
Heck, it was only a matter of time. Time for a week break till you all get bored of it :P
@KalRandom
3 жыл бұрын
I keep forgetting about it.
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
lol yea pretty much the same here. Also takes little to no research as well so its somewhat boring. I prefer the hunting for stuff to make ISK.
@KalRandom
3 жыл бұрын
@@strange_Net Does it only show Hypernet Relay items in your area, I'm in Amarr and only see 1 Leshak bpc ?
@terranu1
3 жыл бұрын
wait, you get back the money you paid for buying your own tickets, even if you loose the raffle ? ..that's not fair. Say you put up something for 16nodes, you buy 4 of your own back, some dumbasses think it's worth it to buy 2 tickets each , you buyback the 8 nodes left and got yourself 12tickets vs 4, ..70% chance to win and screw the 2 other guys for the price of 4 nodes they bought...if you loose, you get back the money you paid for tickets anyway so loss is minimal. Feels like a safe haven for manufacturers to re-sale their ships over and over in this rigged lottery system, with minimal risk in the long therm.
@SneakyBeaky115
3 жыл бұрын
I made close to 40 billion doing this, but then lost 37 in a row with a 50% win chance for each, lost basically everything I made in those few weeks.
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
Dang man thats terrible luck! Was good going prior however
@wojtek0128
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@joeblogs4273
3 жыл бұрын
Did they sell?
@audriuskarabanovas3158
3 жыл бұрын
OMG, don't do this 50% because of psychology, it's not because of that. It's not really that much of gamble if you do big sample of those. Basically you overprice your item, then spend your whole profit on buying your own shares. If you lose - then u made no profit, but didn't lost money either (just cores if you wont sell at all), but if you win - you just double up for almost no risk (again, cores if not sold)... thats how it works... thats why people call it scam. Coz yes, chances of winning is the same, but you overpaying, that means if you would buy shares until you win - you expected to pay more than that item costs in market
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
In the early days this used to work but this hasn't worked properly now for over 9 months since CCP bought out the colour coding RAG status.
@audriuskarabanovas3158
3 жыл бұрын
@@strange_Net no, still in place, just checked, check Gila hypernets for example, shows estimate 211m (kind of ok), but if you multiply all tickets by their price - suddenly price becomes 271m, and its green! Thats why there is shitload of Marshals and other expensive stuff, as you can get insane profits (it's like casino, house always wins). And if you win - u more than double up, as you receive item + all that overprice u put on item :)
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
@@audriuskarabanovas3158 That Gila is a 23% profit margin not really earth shattering. Now take into account cores and taxs and its even less. Nobody is doubling up apart from the odd sale but they are few are far between. Also if you buy none of your own tickets you still win so yea the house always wins regardless of which method is used or people would be selling items at a loss.
@jonathanferguson9226
3 жыл бұрын
Better title: How to get blocked on every chat channel in EVE while barely breaking even, if you're lucky.
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
Stop spamming channels
@jonathanferguson9226
3 жыл бұрын
@@strange_Net Few people take the time to evaluate how 'spammy' you've been. They see a Hypernet offer and block.
@strange_Net
3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanferguson9226 Why are you posting the Hypernet link at all? Just dont.
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