This video has nothing to do with whether or not skillpoint farming is profitable or not. I am just showing how I make a skillpoint alt to get as much skillpoints as possible in shortest amount of time possible.
@crazysonorangaming
2 жыл бұрын
Which it does well.
@crazysonorangaming
2 жыл бұрын
@@BlaBla-ze6lz Alternate or secondary character/pilot
@abetespi8588
2 жыл бұрын
most of them requires omega now :(
@thomasender4895
Жыл бұрын
But you have to pay Omega😢
@pppeee8158
9 ай бұрын
Can you give us the numbers?
@budderhoernla6354
2 жыл бұрын
You could save even more ISK setting the farm up if you only buy the 2 implants to boost the primary and secondary attribute of the skills your training - given that you already chose the skills to have the same primary/secondary attributes!
@earnestemu5148
2 жыл бұрын
@@xPreatorianx1 You just need 2, get perception and wilpower implants, remap your attributes for max perception and whats left to willpower. Train any race battle crusier to 5. You get 3 injectors per month, well its a little more but you can't take halves... well after you have cybernetic 5
@dg-gaming942
2 жыл бұрын
Quick suggestion: when making a brand new toon, you can buy a cheap "prototype cerebral accelerator" for like 20 mil that lasts 14 days (or 28 if biology 5) and adds 9 points to all attributes
@StaK_1980
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you should do it, but in the long run, it doesn't add a lot.
@TomPVideo
2 жыл бұрын
13.5 SP/minute is nothing to sneeze at. It works out to around 275K SP, or double that if you inject or train biology 5 (only an x1) before popping the booster. It represents 10% of the SP needed to start extracting skills.
@earnestemu5148
2 жыл бұрын
You just need 2 implants, get perception and wilpower implants, remap your attributes for max perception and whats left to willpower. Train any race battle crusier to 5. You get 3 injectors per month, well its a little more but you can't take halves... well after you have cybernetic 5. Also better to trade in perimeter due to cheaper taxes.
@pinguincoder
2 жыл бұрын
I tried this and the time went up from 400 something days to over 500. Are you really sure about perception and willpower? EveMon says i should optimize to Intelligence and Memory
@earnestemu5148
2 жыл бұрын
@@pinguincoder Evemon is probably using whats in your skill queue. Fill the queue with skills that have the same primary and secondary attribute. Need to check them as things like advanced space ship skills are not the same as the basic ones, ie assault ships won't have the same primary attribute as battle cruiser or bs. I just use bc5 and bs 5 for my skill farms. attributes are the same and I only have 2 plus 5+. Been doing it for many years.
@pinguincoder
2 жыл бұрын
@@earnestemu5148 ah ok ty. Yeah i remapped according top the Plan of Ace face . So you learn frigate, Cruiser, Battlecruiser and Battleship all Up to Level 5 with all the prerequisites?
@earnestemu5148
2 жыл бұрын
@@pinguincoder Not sure what prereq were. But if you doing this to skill farm you need cybernetics 5 for the 2 x plus 5 implants and then train the skills you are mapped for. I find it easier to use perception/willpower as you have all the T1 ships plus gunnery and missiles to choose from. Generally in a month you can do BC5 plus a little something else. Then all you do is extract the bc5 and put it back in the queue. That way you only need 1 race skills, dont need frig, dest or cruiser to 5.
@pinguincoder
2 жыл бұрын
@@earnestemu5148 ahhh OK got it :D then i'll guess i will remap again
@crazysonorangaming
2 жыл бұрын
(This is more for the posters below who doubt it can be profitable) I've been plexing 3 to 6 accounts with skill trading alone since skill extractors/injectors were added to the game. When I first started it the isk was insane. I was plexing more than one account with only one farmer account. Now I can plex an account with 1 pilot per account but dont make a profit. With 3 pilots on an account I can profit 500m per month. This is -IF- I do things right. +5 implants, max stats in the appropriate places, and buy and sell on the best of buy or sell orders (or the New Eden Store). Consider that each hub may be different. Some will net you more isk than others, some profitable some not. Bottom line is even if I only make enough isk this way to buy 475 plex that is 475 plex less I have to buy at the end of the month to play essentially free.
@SubjectXXX
2 жыл бұрын
Players watching this video: SP farm is not to profit only doing that. He mentioned, that this is process where you also use your character for something else meanwhile its training (PI for example).In other words, SP farm from this character is only cherry on top of making additional ISK with this alt doing something else (that you need to train before you start milking SP). ATM, with current prices, you would need 34 days to train 2.3M SP to convert it into 500PLEX.. So you are not even paying for this account with your SPs extracted..
@iShaymus
2 жыл бұрын
This is true, however, if you have for example 10 miners, you would have to mine a considerable amount each month to plex the accounts leaving little profit. If you skill extract on each of the miners accounts then suddenly they only have to make 2-300m each to plex the difference. If you then do PI on top of that with each one then you are basically plexing for free and everything you mind if profit which on the case of 10 miners is about 700m/hr
@Agnus78
Жыл бұрын
@@iShaymus And you have no life, mining, doing PI etc.
@iShaymus
Жыл бұрын
@@Agnus78 the point is that you can essentially play for free if you skill extract + PI. This basically means you're free to spend your time in game doing whatever you like without having to worry about plexing your account. This is likewise true for people who pay for their subscription however this isn't an option for everyone.
@Agnus78
11 ай бұрын
@@iShaymus But my point is that once you are done with PI (extractors, materials hauling) you end up with no spare time to do what you really want, in game. Im not talking about young ppl, im talking about ppl with jobs and kids, like myself. There is no point in trying to play for free using things you mentioned - becouse it would eat your play time and Eve Online become second job with things you need to do and not something you really enjoy.
@iShaymus
11 ай бұрын
@@Agnus78 and I can assure you that all the people I know that do this have full time jobs and families and commit less than three hours a month to managing it. All the hauling is done through contracts. They simply buy in Jita, pay for shipping and set things in motion. The recent reductions in PI mass by 500% means factory planets can literally run all month without needing to be emptied. Buy materials at start of month, have it shipped. Fill up factory planets. (Maybe 1 hour at a complete push) Mid month refill planets will more material (30-40 mins) End of month empty POCOs and contract to move to Jita. List on market (Another hour at a push)
@Something.Something
2 жыл бұрын
What you're not mentioning is that to get 5,500,000 SP you need to train almost 3 months if you start from zero (using improved implants only). 500,000 SP takes about 8 days, so in 1 month you can only fill about 3 or 4 large injectors. To get 14 large injectors like in your video, someone would need to train for more than 3.5 months on top of the time needed to get the initial 5,500,000 SP (Max training speed without accelerators is 64,800 SP/day), so more than 6 months training (and paying). Or am I missing something?
@seven9766
2 жыл бұрын
You could train up to 5 million as alpha, then inject that million bonus points you get for using a referral link, boosting you above 5.5m Sure, it'll take longer, but it will not cost as much.
@somebodyintheworld5036
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like you could optimize this even more. You can't extract skill points below 5 Million SP. IIRC, 5 million is about what you need to get a Planetary Industry alt. You can first train the toon into a PI alt, then plug in perception and memory and train nothing but Spaceship Command skills. That way you can do PI and make some extra money, and you also have access to certain ship hulls (although no modules) if you want to swap the skill farm toon into a proper alt that will fly proper ships. The alt must be omega, so you may as well run PI on it and multibox in highsec so you don't get podded. If you just want skill farm, thats fine, just extract the Spaceship command skills. Train up to Marauders V, and extract everything back down. This way, you have some more flexibility.
@aesh78
2 жыл бұрын
5.5m actually. You cannot extract if your character is below that
@m.adnansohail1656
2 жыл бұрын
another little idea i just came up with is that you can use remap, every new character have 3 remaps 1 yearly and 2 bbonus remap, so if its a farming character we can remap the attributes to a specific category making the training fastest by only training the specific category skills, like spaceship command, gunnery which actually have a very big max skill points. which on the top of that also have same attributes.
@gagizagi
2 жыл бұрын
He does that in the video tho
@byronmangan
2 жыл бұрын
Ive been running the numbers on tech 2 invention and production. Very profitable if you decide to use those skills one day.
@thedudeabides3138
2 жыл бұрын
Great vid Ace, thank you.
@dezkoleman800
2 жыл бұрын
First: you haven't used alpha time to skilled up to 5 mln skill points, so you overinvested. Secondly: you are remapping intelligence and memory because you will only use them for farming, so no implants are needed for the rest of the attributes - 450 mln isk lost. Thirdly: farming skill points are currently unprofitable, only to significantly reduce the cost of running another omega account.
@shantilus
2 жыл бұрын
I think it is clear that he knows this give his other videos. That being said, your comment, although critical, is beneficial to people thinking of skill farming.
@arkkane9726
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you wise capsuleer
@umadbroimatroll7918
Жыл бұрын
@@shantilus not really beneficial if it's the wrong info
@maggoteye87
10 ай бұрын
Thank you !
@JustinKettenhofen
2 жыл бұрын
So is the point to dump the skill injectors to your main for beefing up skills or for making passive ISK to convert to plex to get Omega for either main or this account? Just curious what you do with your injectors
@Taz6688
Жыл бұрын
Pointless to do that, the more skill point you have the less you get when injecting, I call this fake, he said he remapped to speed training, last shot shows 4 skills at 28 and one at 27, no remap there for max training, it only works out profitable because he used plex to buy injectors, probably from referral perks
@FrankieDiazabraxas
2 жыл бұрын
I can't do that to an alt. It's too cruel, to have him/her study up, get knowledgeable, then suck the marrow. "It's a toon! Harden the eff up!", I can hear. It's still cruel.
@craigkirich9646
2 жыл бұрын
Save the implant costs past 2, use boosters when available, daily login bonus and there's many other choices i.e. Blueprints, manufacturing, reactions, mining, gate scout, abyss lookout (cloaked and combat ready) use that alt.
@blackdragondragonis6140
2 жыл бұрын
once again ace face brilliant vid I shall be making a few of these accounts I really badly need sp thank you love your content
@Taz6688
Жыл бұрын
Where are you getting the 2000 plex from to buy injectors?? its fake, sit down work out the cost, see how much you need to pull out from your wallet to make it work.
@prvoke3833
2 жыл бұрын
Great vid
@whysoweeb1382
2 жыл бұрын
God bless You dude, this is really useful.
@lesterdude999
2 жыл бұрын
i didnt know you can skip these tutorials ngl
@pretzolboy
Жыл бұрын
thank you for this video.!
@MrKythor
2 жыл бұрын
Ace can you explain why this is better than just buying the injectors outright? Considering the cost of an omega account, the extractors, etc.
@grcfalcon
2 жыл бұрын
I suppose the end goal is not to use the injectors. He wants to sell them and pay for the plex for the character to continue as omega.
@Taz6688
Жыл бұрын
It's not Eve is PTW now just use your card and cut all this out.
@collinmiller6648
Жыл бұрын
I am also confused as to why this process nets any advantage over just buying the skillpoint injectors (full) rather than buying the empty extractors with PLEX, and then taking over two-three months of Omega training time in the form of SP to then sell back on the market for ISK? It seems like either a waste of money or a waste of time. And if you needed more skills faster, then you could just buy the full injectors from the market using ISK or PLEX...right? I don't quite get it either, same as a few other commenters.
@johnnicol6089
2 жыл бұрын
Good plan m8, very well planned.
@thelazy0ne
2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the skill farming business exist to help the farmer Plex with isk. Having payed for a second Omega account it's... Big brain 🧠++
@queotzcatl3980
2 жыл бұрын
it could be profitable only using Alpha skills, maybe you could make an alternative Skill farm map? Looks good but I would not invest an Omega unless I'd really need those skill points for my main as you probably do.
@sbssmachine1
2 жыл бұрын
You can only extract from a toon with more than 5.5m sp. alphas max at 5m unless you’re using daily injectors. You have to go omega to make it viable.
@chessblunderer898
2 жыл бұрын
Alpha's are capped at 5 million SP. Theoretically, I suppose you could train up to 5M and then redeem the free 1M SP and make 1 large skill extractor and then that account is done. So, you could make a new account every day and ~5 months later, start extracting 1 large skill injector per day, every day, for free.
@sbssmachine1
2 жыл бұрын
@@chessblunderer898 can’t even do that, if you’ve claimed the 1m sp it’s counted towards the 5m whether you’ve used it or not
@SaviorPrime2024
Жыл бұрын
Care do share your Skill Farming Skill Plan with the rest of us?
@FloridaGecko
Жыл бұрын
do you not pay attention? He clearly shows you how to get it from his in game Bio...
@basho345
2 жыл бұрын
I tried to download the Skill plan you reference in the video. It is not available :(
@bignose140
7 ай бұрын
Nice thank you
@sbssmachine1
2 жыл бұрын
The 2 long pi trains primary charisma, the ingame description is misleading.
@TheCwpan
2 жыл бұрын
I have a question :) I have 3 accounts, not played EVE in a very long time, I dont plan to use at least 1 alt, he has 62M SP is it worth buying Omega, and Extractors to suck my character down to 5.5m sp? and use the remaining omega time with its +5 implants to learn your skills + remap for the rest of the 30days? Im not too lazy to find out Im just not very good at maths :D
@kuroitenshi1632
2 жыл бұрын
You can do that. You will get some 70bil?maybe
@TheCwpan
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, cos I think it cost me like 1.5b to plex and will cost 300m plus per extractor so will be a lot less 😭
@fahadbutt3601
Жыл бұрын
from where we can get that skill plan?
@sanik9581
27 күн бұрын
what is the TLDR here?
@iuliumesesan7675
2 жыл бұрын
do you do 3 on every account ? How much does it cost the upkeep cost or profit per character if you sell the injectors?
@botaristvan3119
2 жыл бұрын
At the current plex price, it's not worth bothering with, if I've miscalculated something, can you tell me how it's worth it?
@reysilencio360
Жыл бұрын
I have 8 accounts at 5m SP and don't know how to turn them into farm
@segheg
2 жыл бұрын
🤫 it’s not worth doing
@lpanzieri
Жыл бұрын
"I wait months before I can extract but when I do, it's relevant to save some seconds clicking less". I struggle to get the logic behind this.
@VicAndrey
Жыл бұрын
How long does it take from 5000 sp to 12000sp with skilled cybernetics and such implants/remapping?
@TheFlightsimNerd
Жыл бұрын
Dumb question, how do I add an alt and Eve whenever I go to add account on the launcher? It just brings me in an infinite loop at the Eve website and won't let me add another alt. No clue what's going on. Thanks for the help
@riptide828
4 ай бұрын
You clicked cancel on the remap instead of accept. Even showed your skills being equal in the end.
@Thudking
2 жыл бұрын
So this has to be a completely different account? Not another character created on same account?
@captainharlock31
2 жыл бұрын
How many account do I need? Do you pay for all accounts in real money or farmed plex?
@SaviorPrime2024
Жыл бұрын
The only implants you need are for memory and intelligence... the other attributes have nothing to do with skill training speed.
@taxa1569
Жыл бұрын
No... Each skill has a primary and secondary attribute that both affect how long the skill takes to train. It was said in the video. And it has been this way for over 15 years if not the entire lifetime of the game. Source: I have been playing since 2k7.
@isaiahb.1915
2 жыл бұрын
is there a way of doing this as an alpha?
@SagoTuc
2 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid not. Alphas can't learn past 5mil SP , and you can't extract with less than 5.5
@davidnielsen2383
2 жыл бұрын
Brand new to Eve. Hard to understand the clicking and such during the commentary. Very confusing .
@fantaniac638
2 жыл бұрын
How do I always see these vids in my feed the second they come out?
@nzbeeker1
Жыл бұрын
I bought some skill injectors and applied them... many of the skills I already had have gone now and have to retrain them... what's up with that?
@FloridaGecko
Жыл бұрын
So, you used extractors, not injectors.... You sucked out skill points, which causes those skills to need retraining again
@nzbeeker1
Жыл бұрын
@@FloridaGecko Yup.... 😕
@MT-Alliance
Жыл бұрын
nice video but what must i do to transfer the extractors to the main charakter ?
@EmvyBeats
Жыл бұрын
a contract to that character? maybe
@HelghastGrunt
Жыл бұрын
@@EmvyBeats That's what I do. Just keep my stuff at Jita 4-4 for simplicity's sake, and write up a contract between my alt and main.
@Maxis196
Жыл бұрын
@@HelghastGrunt drag the items to your character to trade if in same station
@HelghastGrunt
Жыл бұрын
@@Maxis196 Oh nice, never knew that. Thanks.
@gscgold
2 жыл бұрын
Was wondering if this was still with doing
@CheGevarich
2 жыл бұрын
So how prifitly is it? Per month or another point of time.
@mctobi2921
2 жыл бұрын
Its easy to calculate, but you usually get around 2/3 - 1 Subscribtion from it. So its like an free omega alt.
@CheGevarich
2 жыл бұрын
@@mctobi2921 it's easy to calculate for today, but for the long distance it can be diff. I just want to know statistic, but not caclucation :) Its can be the same, but not always
@mctobi2921
2 жыл бұрын
@@CheGevarich the last few years, for me it usually was pretty close to the price of a subscribtion
@teeborg1519
Жыл бұрын
Why have all implants and why not train only int/mem skills? waste of money and training speed
@WompAlliance
2 жыл бұрын
Rip skill farms...thanks to your video now everyone goes and does it only to watch the price drop making it not profitable. At least I will be around...send me your isk I will double it for you.
@SaviorPrime2024
Жыл бұрын
And what fit is used? You don't give that info even though it's in the description.
@Decanewolf
2 жыл бұрын
is this still worth it?
@dougunderwood2313
2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious...You can't train an Alpha character beyond 5 mil skill points so this alt of yours must be a paid Omega account to get to 10 mil skill points. No matter how you pay for it it would just seem cheaper to buy the injectors. Second is the fact that you have to buy the skill extractors with real money. 40 bucks for 10 so 5 mil skill points cost 40 bucks plus training an Omega character to 11 or so mil skill points. I simply train all of my characters with implants and remaps as I train a certain group in waves to take advantage of the remap. There is no way I'd pay what it takes here to get 5 mil skill points added to another character.
@Aceyface
2 жыл бұрын
Nono you can get 21 mil sp as an alpha clone but the remaining 16 mil is able to be trained with alpha injector or omega time
@dougunderwood2313
2 жыл бұрын
@@Aceyface then I must have my facts wrong.
@dougunderwood2313
2 жыл бұрын
@@Aceyface After further investigation I must once again claim that with an alpha character you can only obtain 5 mil skill points without spending money. You can buy Omega, but the cost is ridiculous considering you must then obtain the maximum skill points for the one month the Omega cost you in real dollars or plex. The alpha injector once again will cost. You cannot train an alpha clone beyond 5 mil skill points without cost in real money or isk. The best option I see is buying the alpha skill injectors and then the extractors which will cost you about 5.75 dollars per 500,000 skill points. Inject then extract. It's not overly expensive, but most people don't like spending real money.
@marktarry4281
2 жыл бұрын
if it weren't for 200 players having 10 accounts each Eve would have died years ago.
@Ganganadhi
Жыл бұрын
this game so complex , and in end fight is like crap , i see 2 laser beams and ship rotating up and down game over .... its like i am fighting on a cosmos wallapaer which eats gpu for wallapaper graphics
@pt5878
2 жыл бұрын
cloaking and remap for it, it gives 1 injector every 8 days, with no accelerators at all. with omega gifts you get more than 4 injectors a month. free omega alts to mine or pi or what ever you want.
@TommyMcGahee
2 жыл бұрын
You do this on an alpha account?
@tiago.suares
2 жыл бұрын
@@TommyMcGahee I think cloacking can't be trained on alpha
@hectorae86
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that you actually CAN do this in EVE is disgusting if you ask me.
@BahamutEx
2 жыл бұрын
Another method for omegas only.
@mctobi2921
2 жыл бұрын
No, thats the point of it. You can plex your alt for free with that. You got 2 choices... eighter you play with an 5 mil Alpha account, or do this.. still only have 5 mil but have an omega account as the money you get from skill extraction plays for your Subscribtion. So essentially an free omega account (but without getting more skillpoints, but as an Alpha you wouldnt increase them anyway... so its still an straight upgrade)
@BahamutEx
2 жыл бұрын
@@mctobi2921 the only "upgrade" I see is the extra activities you can do while this farm is training, like PI for example
@mctobi2921
2 жыл бұрын
@@BahamutEx and fly omega ships, better pvp, pve etc anything an omega can do
@BahamutEx
2 жыл бұрын
@@mctobi2921 with the skillpoints you are extracting?
@mctobi2921
2 жыл бұрын
@@BahamutEx yes (thats why i never get why anybody plays in alpha, while there is no need for it)
@Ronald1987100
Жыл бұрын
So youre saying that if i train a skill to max, i can extract its points and spend them on something else and the skill its extracted from will still be trained?
@johandeveld2473
Жыл бұрын
BLA BLA BLA BLA Nothing explained 12min wasted of my time
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