They separated the Raijus by the time Asphodelos Savage came out, IIRC. Right at 6.0, it was still a combo
@DrakeWurrum
Жыл бұрын
Yup. I was very annoyed with the original design.
@voidhunter2800
Жыл бұрын
I still remember Todd complaining about it every stream, then they fixed it.
@2ndPlacePrize
Жыл бұрын
Ninja is love, Ninja is life
@shadowdragon8168
Жыл бұрын
3:31 This was only done for gear added before 2.4, if you go look at the Final Coils or World of Darkness, there is scouting gear in those, they decided to change striking gear before 2.4 to just have Dex on it for Ninja, but 2.4 and after did have scouting gear, though I do agree with you, they should have just had Ninja use Striking gear.
@devanwc23
Жыл бұрын
Ninja….no other job calls to me quite like Ninja Started playing in SB and tried Monk, Red Mage, and then Gunbreaker. All felt good, but not great. Then came Ninja. The fast paced and punishing Mudra, hyper mobility, and a small but impactful ranged kit to boot had me at hello. The more I learned and unlocked, the more I was forced to change my hot bars to adapt to this new language. The language of love. This job will be my FF14 identity here and forever more Appreciate you doin this video Happy. Been waiting a while for it
@SinisterPlauges
Жыл бұрын
Exactly how I felt playing it luckily I unlocked the job asap and have been playing it since ARR. I have maxed out several other classes and non have come close in fun and versatility
@Multifridgeman
Жыл бұрын
Very fondly remembering the campaign against STDs (Single Target Dotons)
@CXraable
Жыл бұрын
xD
@GayLPer
7 ай бұрын
Still happening sadly
@RockR277
Жыл бұрын
I really miss the animations for dancing edge and shadow fang
@nocknockbow
Жыл бұрын
Me too man... Me too... What makes it worse is they kept Armor Crush as well which is the worst animation of them all. If they're gonna drop animations, at least prioritize the bad ones! Imo they should swap the Armor Crush animation to the Aeolian Edge one (since Aeolian is literally a whirlwind and would then refresh the whirlwind Huton buff, which makes every kind of sense). And then put back Dancing Edge as the final skill in the 3 hit combo (replacing current Aeolian)
@jacobkern2060
Жыл бұрын
1:02:54 Also, it just means you don't need to burn a Mudra after res to get Huton rolling again
@Cassapphic
Жыл бұрын
Its always fun in these seeing a change that was made super early after an expansion launch that causes mr happy to go into a meltdown gaslighting himself. Like energy drain being removed in 5.0 and returned soon after and raijus being a comob in 6.0 but changed by 6.05
@KIKAN_THE_RAT
Жыл бұрын
The job that made me fall in love with this game, the combos and the fast pacing make it so fun and challenge your improvisation to use the right ninjutsu at the right time. And the cool weapons and armor sets 😍
@Firestar1992
Жыл бұрын
Personally, I hope the next DPS we get will use Scouting Gear, so we had another job that uses the set just like Reaper now uses Maiming alongside Dragoon. Amusingly perhaps, I actually hope this job will be ranged, like some sort of sniper type class. I would enjoy having a gear set that crosses between roles, and Ninja already uses aiming accessories.
@yabiyabi
Жыл бұрын
That would be so cool!!!!!!!
@ralph228
Жыл бұрын
What about a Beastmaster with a whip as a weapon for mid-range? You get to catch certain beast types, mostly for aesthetics. Not exactly a sniper type but I can definitely see a Beastmaster as a scouting job.
@Horstveratu
Жыл бұрын
give me the chainmail style of gear nin had in ffxi. i hate scouting gear so much
@RaddyC
Жыл бұрын
Corsair
@Ephelle
Жыл бұрын
I still kinda feel like Dancer should have used Scouting gear.
@licenetospam
Жыл бұрын
Love supportive dps so when I was switching from bard it made alot of sense love the job😊
@agentshibe
Жыл бұрын
Oh god... Old Raiju. What the hell were they thinking. Two forced GCD animation-locked gapclosers when ONE OF THE TWO EXTREME TRIALS GAVE YOU BIND. And you only had 15 SECONDS to spend every stack of forked raiju, and spending raijus didnt refresh the timer!!! So if you had 3 stacks to spend it'd take about 11 seconds to spend them all (ON A 15 SECOND TIMER!) Made me switch to MNK for the start of the expac. Absolute NIGHTMARE.
@RekiWylls
Жыл бұрын
Hide was kinda clutch in Castrum Meridianum, as it allowed Ninjas to avoid the mobs hanging out on the oil rig (?) just before the first gate to get into the Castrum's base proper. This let your group skip, if I'm not mistaken, three packs of mobs (assuming the Ninja didn't fail and pull a mob when coming out of Hide to interact with the pipes to blow them up).
@maxspecs
Жыл бұрын
You could also use it to skip mobs on full loot clears of Sunken Temple of Qarn, if you ever found yourself in a group that cared about that.
@yanewstepdad1355
Жыл бұрын
I like the whole job retrospections!!
@naoremonth
Жыл бұрын
Happy mentioned the swinginess of Ninja due to the big hit like Hyosho, and... I really wonder why SE doesn't take Dream Within A Dream's "three hits of X potency" idea and put it on way more skills, with each hit having its own rolls for crit/dhit/etc. It would add more hits to help balance RNG (not entirely, obviously, you can still get unlucky, but more likely to see "half of my Hyosho hits crit and half didn't" then "did Hyosho crit, y/n?"), and it would also just... be a cool thing flavor-wise? Hyosho for example is a big swarm of ice shuriken - so have each "hit" of the ice shuriken do its own damage. Yeah, it would remove the excitement of "BIG NUMBER", but when you have a 1300 potency hit (before Kassatsu buff!) that's constantly being used under other buffs (Trick every minute, Mug + every other 2 minute buff during full burst windows)... Smaller multiple hits seems healthier to avoid that heavy swinginess. I don't think this is a thing they could do to EVERY "big hit" move across every job, but I think a lot of them are already set up okay for this? Double Down is easily set up as two hits, Phantom Rush's animation is multiple hits, and so on... It wouldn't be a perfect change and I imagine there would be pushback from the people who really like seeing that huge number show up, but I think it would definitely help mitigate that "one big hit" swinginess issue with DPS... Especially if they continue with the 2 minute meta and crit being as strong as it is.
@dataunknown
Жыл бұрын
Also, early EW, they changed it so using Hide ended Doton. No more prepull Doton. (Or Doton on a group of enemies in a dungeon and then quickly hide before the first tick)
@geminimojo8019
Жыл бұрын
Ninja is the best! I haven't played super long, but I've always been a Ninja/Rouge main. It is also really funny, and kind of weird cause people still don't understand ninja that well. I'm no pro, but I see people do some really questionable stuff alot.
@ek9750
Жыл бұрын
I still see ninja players do single target dotons regularly 😂
@ArchieGamez
Жыл бұрын
@@ek9750 NOOOO
@treebush
Жыл бұрын
finally you did ninja the one ive been truly waiting for
@Neloch4
9 ай бұрын
what a beautiful job
@cparle87
9 ай бұрын
22:10 Ninja steals everything from Monk, more news at 11. ^.^
@fireraid9173
Жыл бұрын
I started as an archer years ago in stormblood and when I was told rogue was in limsa I was escorted all the way there to unlock the class before even officially taking an airship there lol
@1Shayz1
Жыл бұрын
I still wish you could be an "evade tank" with Ninja in a pinch, similar to how RDM can be a pseudo healer
@SayaKirasaka
Жыл бұрын
Tbf with the amount of busters that are magic nowadays instead of physical perfect dodge wouldnt even really do anything anymore
@fgzhtsp
Жыл бұрын
I had a really bad connection in one of my apartments and ninja was impossible to play.
@straysheep4467
Жыл бұрын
Yet to watch, but this is either going to make me finally pick up Ninja... or make me very, very glad I never did.
@undercoverspy123
Жыл бұрын
current NIN is a blast at 90 but leveling is a doozy
@Rukdug
Жыл бұрын
Dang, I had heard that ninjas were basically required after their introduction up until Shadowbringers, but now I know why. No wonder monk got sidelined so hard for so long.
@omegazero5884
Жыл бұрын
Ninja my beloved but also the job with the second heighest disperity bettwen basic knoweldge and endgame knoweldge(second only to BLM in my opinion.) The Ninja greifeing is still a thing I see CONSTANTLY. bettwen single target doton now long after it's usefulness is gone. To Ninjas that don't know how to use Suiton or how to prepull it's a genuenly difficult job to get a hold of, and that's just like figuring how the job works, but at the same time. IT'S THE SINGLE COOLEST JOB IN THE GAME. bettwen it's general utility with mug to it's ranged utility allowing for it to act like a proxy range dps if absouletly neccisary to how it interacts with other jobs with buffs to the fact that it now and forever will always be METTTAHHHHH(meta is a lie).
@ScootaGray
Жыл бұрын
One think you forgot to mention was square tweaking the way mudras worked throughout the early life of the job. like at some point they made mudras work smoother as OGC skills because upon release weaving 3 button Mudras was “clunky” it was like a little delay after each mudras press and unless you had really good ping it was actually somewhat difficult to weave your 3 button mudras OGC, without clipping your GC. Then like I said there was a patch at some point they finally made them work smooth like we know them today. Upon release it was like: press mudra,minor delay, press mudra, minor delay, Press mudra, minor delay. Then after the patch(which I can’t remember exactly when this was, but I’m sure someone here remembers) it was “faster” “ snappier” you could just: Press mudra, press mudra, press mudra.
@RockR277
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure you would always clip on a 2-3 mudra ninjutsu back then. Even now, no jobs can weave more than 2 abilities without clipping, and NIN's got its attack speed buff.
@keganokillion6852
Жыл бұрын
I loved Ninjutsu being off GCD. It gave me more to do when my combo was refreshing.
@Scrambles_Deathdealer
Жыл бұрын
I miss the comms from Goad, Smokescreen, and Shadewalker... so many comms...
@Scrambles_Deathdealer
Жыл бұрын
I also miss all my DOTs
@alysterfalda7958
Жыл бұрын
Came back to this video because Pint said Shukuchi required a target in a recent video and as someone who played NIN since 2.4 that felt wrong lol
@cammando2363
Жыл бұрын
I love how Ninjas are mostly popular because of Mug a Rogue skill.
@miannekahkol9556
Жыл бұрын
oh god the flashbacks to tanks spinning bosses randomly and getting your trick griefed because they suddenly turned it right before you used the ability
@nerdychocobo
7 ай бұрын
I always feel so conflicted about ninja because during heavensward era I ADORED rogue when I picked that up (although likely partly due to it being my second job I played after WHM, therefore being blown away by the speed and freedom of movement) but when it became ninja my interest fell off quite sharply because of the difference in themeing
@VioletShinobi
Жыл бұрын
The problem with Phantom Kamaitachi is that it used to use up one of your stacks of Bunshin... but it would be a ranged stack, which is only 100 potency, instead of the 200 potency for using a melee weaponskill stack. Now it doesn't use one of your stacks, BUT its still not optimal to use in some trick windows because Aerolian edge + Bunshin melee stack is I think 40 potency more (640 versus the base 600 on PK) So trick windows where you can fit a PK in you like to do it. But its the worst gcd to use given other options.
@drawingfaith9981
Жыл бұрын
yupyup all your shadow attacks are considered a pet (phantom kamaitachi included), and pet potencies are slighty lower than normal potency. so the balance mathed kamaitachi's effective potency out to around 558p, while aeolian edge + bunshin hit comes out to 589p (440 + 149) another factor that made pk taking stacks annoying is aoe though. since trying to use pk while doing aoe would mean you burn a bunshin stack on a ranged bunshin hit instead of your normal aoe hit
@brandonspikes
Жыл бұрын
I will never forget how people would single target Doton off CD because they thought it was better than Raiton for DPS.
@Sethzenjion
Жыл бұрын
Wdym I still see people doing it. About half of the time I end up in ct, there's usually at least one person using single target dotons
@daanroelofs119
Жыл бұрын
Used to love ninja in ARR, dropped it in HW and niw loving it again in EW especially doing raids and ultimates
@daanroelofs119
Жыл бұрын
Though the movement speed is most often annoying. On ucob during blackfire you need to stugger your movement and dropping the meteors of DSR is also hell compared to other jobs
@PalmtopPanda
Жыл бұрын
After all these videos I'm confused why you never went to patch notes instead of dealing with the hassle that is Wayback Machine, especially when you were looking at the 5.1 changes. Would make these so much more concise with all the time wasted trying to search back and forth for stuff and just guessing at changes. Otherwise I've loved this series, thanks!
@themadscientist3978
11 ай бұрын
Forked and Fleeting Raiju was still a combo and both were gap closers at 6.0 I absolutely hated it and i very clearly remember doing Zodiark and not being able to do anything during burst cause Zodi would Bind you and made you unable to use Forked and Fleeting, also being forced into doing 6 gap closers back to back or suffer major dmg loss wasn't fun
@benoitrousseau4137
Жыл бұрын
If I'm not mistaken, they changed the damage formula for physical attacks in 6.0, and had to tune down the potency on all physical attacks so that the damage remains the same. Those 6.0 ninja "nerfs" probably aren't actual nerfs.
@aoaoaoaoaoaoaoa5701
Жыл бұрын
Every job got lower potency in the stat squish, so yeah they aren’t really “nerfs” compared to the others, but I guess technically they are nerfs because the numbers are reduced
@travisproo87
Жыл бұрын
I don't know if this changed from ARR, but I've had friends who mistakenly picked a non-Limsa class and actually walked from their starting location (I think it was from Gridania) just so they could do Rogue.
@boringfactor8792
Жыл бұрын
The main city's don't connect to limsa its on an island
@RockR277
Жыл бұрын
Yeah they'd have to wait until at least lvl 15 msq. Not even the boats work.
@RealElSteino
Жыл бұрын
That was me late ShB x)
@iPlayOnSpica
Жыл бұрын
With the old mudras/ninjutsu that used to be ogcd, were they woven between weaponskills? Or were they still used by themselves and just suffered ping issues?
@magnusaber1
Жыл бұрын
A couple things regarding phantom kama. They removed the costing 1 bunshin stack, probs cause it just complicated it for no reason. It was also slightly nerfed by prepull doton being removed when they changed raijus (before that it would trigger the doton proc in the opener). I didnt play alot of ninja at ew release, but I remember seeing the dmg was awful. You also couldnt fit all the raijus into trick which made it feel bad to just play. I took it one time into first ex and said nope until the raiju change where they also brought the dmg up to par. I like how it feels atm.
@SayaKirasaka
Жыл бұрын
Another reason being that kama is pet potency, which is calculated differently than normal potency and ends up being weaker. That is a very big reason as to why you would not use it inside a trick window when other attacks of similar potency could be used instead.
@DrakeWurrum
Жыл бұрын
The damage wasn't awful, but it was really annoying to use the Raiju on fights like Hades EX... because we couldn't use it when we are "rooted" and the arena rotates.
@abrahamibanez4364
Жыл бұрын
If you see “Lulo Abe” I don’t know what I’m doing……” kidding, I’m doing my best 😅
@kidneystone699
Жыл бұрын
90% of NIN i meet in DF or roullete will always use STD, as NIN main, it hurts me but i'm too lazy to even tell them let alone explaining why STD is bad
@sailor_jupiter_6823
Жыл бұрын
If anyone can give me some insight in this old ninja question. When I was lvl 60 ninja back in the day, I would always use duality with dream within a dream. Cause when I was reading it, to me it sounded like it would double all hits in that single skill use. So in my mind I thought I would be hitting for 6 hits for 600 potency. I’m guessing that is wrong but if someone could brake it down for me I would appreciate it.
@bl00dm0urne
Жыл бұрын
The skill mentioned "Weapon skill," and I don't recall DWD ever being classified as a weapon skill.
@gatoman101
Жыл бұрын
iirc (it's been years) Duality only worked on Weapon Skills, and Dream Within a Dream was an ability. I remember always using duality with Aeolian Edge
@sailor_jupiter_6823
Жыл бұрын
@@gatoman101 ohh ok. Thanks. I Guess I was a crappy ninja durning hw then 😂
@Axeken1996
Жыл бұрын
Ninky Minjaj
@Longlius
Жыл бұрын
I think one of the easiest QoL slam-dunks they could do for new players would be to allow people to start as rogue.
@psyonicpanda
Жыл бұрын
Another Scouting job :( Please put in another caster. I swear healers cast more than RDM/SMN these days.
@Armadan7
Жыл бұрын
I genuinely didn't like what they did to mug and trick, it just feels wrong.
@emeraldo
Жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm gonna cry if you ever do a SAM retrospective. I don't wanna be reminded that I can't use Kaiten again. 😭
@devanwc23
Жыл бұрын
@@Zenos174 wrong
@felixamari157
Жыл бұрын
@@devanwc23 Perhaps not completely but you're capping if you think there's some huge difference between now and then.
@devanwc23
Жыл бұрын
@@felixamari157 best animation in game gone. Damage is the same, but the feel of burst windows is very different
@felixamari157
Жыл бұрын
@@devanwc23 I mained and still do main SAM. There was a day of getting used to it. Bursts did not feel different.
@devanwc23
Жыл бұрын
@@felixamari157 that’s the dope thing about opinions. Weird flex tho
@Mori-Jin
Жыл бұрын
Pls samurai Video.
@Jaywalkerz93
Жыл бұрын
hot take; i liked ninja when my mudras was oGCD
@StriderZessei
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that's a cold take today.
@dragumkirisute1998
Жыл бұрын
oGCD Mudras were incredible. But it was a bit too strong lol, hell I still miss mudras being oGCDs.
@boringfactor8792
Жыл бұрын
prob my least played melee, always felt kind of boring to me
@Horstveratu
Жыл бұрын
Dear SE pls for the love of fk give me a Body piece for ninja that looks like those Tactical Vests they have in Naruto. I'm sick of non ninja looking scouting gear. i hate 99% of the gear ninja gets, just give me that vest so i don't have to look at any scouting set again... while you at it, give me the chainmail style of gear nin had in ffxi. i hate scouting gear so much
@Horstveratu
Жыл бұрын
mug and shadeshift need a trait to Chance to more ninja like skills... Turn Shadeshift into that cliché ninja thing that turns you into a wooden log when you take dmg and give mug the Shadowfang animation and call it something different
@HyouVizer
Жыл бұрын
how they added rog/nin to base game in a later patch, i'd like the devs to do this with a new healer. Instead we're bottlenecked into either picking cnj or stuck being a magic dps for first 30 levels as acn until sch. A new healer _now_ would be a mistake in balance being a 5th healer ugh, but image if Sage was this for ARR many years ago instead.
@D-Havoc
Жыл бұрын
If they added a healer in a patch like they did rogue, you still would be stuck picking conjurer. Rogue isn't available at the character creation because it was haphazardly introduced. That's very bad.
@HyouVizer
Жыл бұрын
@@D-Havoc didnt mean not until LV10 like rogue, just want another healer at beginning
@RockR277
Жыл бұрын
I think they're unlike to break the mold in that aspect, for a couple reasons. They're never releasing a job mid expac again. It's very unlikely they'll ever release a job that isn't that expac's max lvl- 20 again.
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