Changes from patch 1.04 - Gavel of Haima from C to A tier - Adula's Moonblade from S to B tier - Briars of Punishment from C to B tier - Briars of Sin from F to C tier - Loretta's Mastery from C to B tier
@zackbozz269
2 жыл бұрын
💨 🚬 😮💨 Adula pack
@JagEterCoola
2 жыл бұрын
Adula's is C tier. It's way too expensive for its cost now, even if it does OK damage.
@Nightmare-pj4fg
2 жыл бұрын
Gavel of Haima got that good!? Damn how much did they buff its speed!?
@Treegrower
2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Death Rancor is A tier
@joppiseni3710
2 жыл бұрын
So the full moon sorceries didnt raise in rank?
@FakeHeroFang
2 жыл бұрын
Starlight is S tier for invasion gigachads. Only weaklings use stealth, and starlight is the exact opposite of stealth. They know you're coming for that booty and they should be scared, because no sane man puts a neon light over their head when they're on the hunt. :^)
@brianbumble
2 жыл бұрын
Starlight into unseen form.
@servalkorion686
2 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@SlenderSmurf
2 жыл бұрын
@@brianbumble never let them know your next move
@GoonCommander
2 жыл бұрын
I wish starlight, instead of giving a light above your head they just changed it to a different spell that makes your whole body glow
@notsans9995
2 жыл бұрын
You're the reason why when i invade i always kill other invaders first.
@robbiekinsey1337
2 жыл бұрын
Who would of thought scott would be the main pvp sorcery guy. How things have changed!
@Ecco_The_Dolphin
2 жыл бұрын
Its really fun
@andrewh.4866
2 жыл бұрын
When the main 3 spells of the class are quick weapon attacks that do ridiculous damage, how could he not?
@stephenjohn2131
2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewh.4866 You must be Rivers of blood main.
@exxusgems6955
2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewh.4866 bruh
@exxusgems6955
2 жыл бұрын
I'm trying this build and it's super fun to use it, More than my Original run, and Strength build
@NikFlyer
2 жыл бұрын
Oh hell yeah, can't wait for the incantation tier list. Love that sort of content. Especially from a knowledgable dude like you.
@savic1984
2 жыл бұрын
B tier is pocket sand and rest is under
@Mo_sty
2 жыл бұрын
Dragons spells : S tier Everything else: meh tier
@IsraTheBlack
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe best to wait for that one until the next patch lol.
@madrex512
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mo_sty bestial sling is a tier as well
@timklanky4562
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mo_sty incantation buffs pretty good as well imo
@zick1309
2 жыл бұрын
I’m incredibly excited to see how much (or how little) the relevance of this list changes over time after future balance patches and DLC.
@themurderofcoke
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like most of it will stay the same because they don't tend to change how spells act, only their damage and speed. The Good spells are good due to their utility and speed moreso than damage so I don't think DLC will shake up the meta too much, maybe add a few more options.
@DavidVillaTorre
2 жыл бұрын
@@themurderofcoke pretty much I feel most of the changes will come from new spells or people learning new techs and spell combos
@cosmosofinfinity
2 жыл бұрын
Starlight is gonna be S tier, mark my words
@floops6308
2 жыл бұрын
I dont know what you're talking about, Starlight is the strongest spell in the game. Can YOU have a pretty blue glow? Thats right, didn't think so. Good tierlist btw
@leftovernoise
2 жыл бұрын
@@Krog517 it is a lot brighter than the hip lantern tho. It has like twice the visibility distance compared the the lantern. I found it pretty handy when exploring super dark places I hadn't been to before
@servalkorion686
2 жыл бұрын
Real men wander the lands between in eternal darkness, with the worst sense of direction imaginable
@echointhemirror8901
2 жыл бұрын
This is excellent Scott, here’s hoping you keep these up, lots of good info.
@bonehed1
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott, I loved your list overall and agreed with nearly all of your placements, HOWEVER, as a connoisseur of weird spells, I must tell you that in my experience, the thorn sorceries are actually surprisingly effective, especially Briars of Sin, which I got impressive results from. This is not in duels of course, but invasions. I have tried this on level 60, 80, and 135 builds. The worst was the 135, but the 60 and 80 performed quite well. At a meager 14 intelligence, you can use Swift Glintstone Shard, Carian Slicer, Magic Glintblade, and a couple oddballs. In my case I actually used Night Maiden's Mist because it can cut off chokepoints and people are generally afraid of it. At lower levels, the Staff of the Guilty's performance is solid for regular sorceries, very close to the best INT staves with equivalent stat investment and upgrades. At level 60, you can make a Faith Sorcery build with 35-40 VIG, 15-20 Mind (you don't need much at all as every spell here is extremely cheap in FP) just 14 INT, and dump the rest in FTH (usually you get about 35ish without buffs/talismans.) Then you buff up on faith/magic damage in your physick, Alberich's armor, and whatever sorcery/faith talismans you like. As for actually applying Briars of Sin, I found it to be AMAZING if you chain cast Swift Shard or Slicer into Sin. The transition is quite fast and will often catch opponents attempting to save their friends from your Slicer chasedown. If you repeat cast it, it will very often catch them a second or maybe even a third time, as Briars of Sin has a very long lingering hitbox that makes it nearly impossible to safely pass through. This does pretty high damage with this build and one or two shot the majority of people I hit it with. It also can be used as your classic "around the corner" ambush option to catch an overconfident gank squad by surprise. I've even had the experience of using Night Maiden's mist to fill the room at the Castle Sol church grace, then blocked the door and used Briars to kill the host as he tried to escape the mist. Briars of Punishment also works really well in this build as Magic Glintblades couple very well with it. Briars of Punishment has very impressive range and damage on this build, will travel across gaps somehow, and you can chain cast it into Sin to cover your ass when you need. Punishment makes a perfect substitute for something like Comet here, lower damage and cast time but very cheap to spam it and it can be very difficult to see coming in the chaos of PvE compared to a typical magic projectile. I implore you to give a build like this a try, I had incredible fun with it, and I love these thorn spells now.
@drago2210
2 жыл бұрын
Great vid, just wanted to add a weird interaction I found with Loretta's Greatbow. The fully charged projectile actually has an AOE hitbox, however it never hits more than 1 target anw. But it is useful to know that it will still do full dmg if you don't get a direct hit, but shoot the ground under them instead. tested easily on the beach zombies, so it's not a latency thing
@stupidanon5941
2 жыл бұрын
8:00 Don't forget that carian slicer can be parried, and spamming it like that is a good way to get yourself parried.
@lxdm26
2 жыл бұрын
true, especially dangerous if they're spamming carian retaliation parry
@Xseleon
2 жыл бұрын
True, but if you miss the parry you're probably dead from carian slicer damage lol
@Sam_YT_Handles_Blow
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Scott. I'm playing a int build rn and this list could not have come up at a better time. Glad you like the arc spell, it's super good in PVE. If only free aiming it didn't also change its vertical angle...
@Furman2137
2 жыл бұрын
18:50 "Night comet is just upgraded night shard" Not really true, the night shard is the night equivalent of swift glintstone shard - you can combo more powerful spells like the comet right after them, not to mention shooting it while running, rolling, jumping etc.
@ScottJund
2 жыл бұрын
This is accurate. I should have said it's a worst Swift Glintstone honestly
@Omar_Al_Seddik
2 жыл бұрын
@@ScottJund If you have a Staff of Loss on offhand, it will receive a +30% damage boost, dealing much more damage than Swift Glintstone. Here's the banger: You can dual wield Staves of Loss to get the damage boost TWICE. Making Night Shard and Night Comet the best 2 sorceries in the game in PVE, and pretty dangerous if landed in PVP.
@ScottJund
2 жыл бұрын
@@Omar_Al_Seddik Except the Staff of Loss is terrible for casting everything else so you'll be a gimmick build
@Omar_Al_Seddik
2 жыл бұрын
@@ScottJund Compared to the Carian Regal Scepter (best in the game with no setbacks or faith investment), Dual Wielding Staff of Loss deals ~10% less damage overall but ~50% more damage for Night Shard and Night Comet. That's a fair trade, especially in PvE, because you won't want to cast anything else, anyways. Both spells become super-efficient FP-wise. Night Shard is the fastest spell to cast in the game (tied with Swift Glintstone) and can be chain-casted into Night Comet, which is a spammable nuke. In PvE, enemies don't dodge or block either of them too. You are correct, though. By the definition of the term, it is a gimmick build, but a very powerful one. Its effectiveness in PvP isn't anywhere as PvE all things considered, of course.
@ShahriyarAlam1
2 жыл бұрын
@@Omar_Al_Seddik He uses Lusat's staff btw. He prefers it more. Best is subjective
@necromaniac4493
2 жыл бұрын
i love the capability of glintstone shard, your videos showed me the spell combo into comet and other heavier spells that I feel like these combos make the difference between good mages and mindless stars of ruin spam
@sirrealism7300
2 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure thats gonna get patched next update
@maciej-8809
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, using bugs is what makes difference between good and bad mage lmao
@robbe3334
2 жыл бұрын
@@sirrealism7300 if i had the option to change how it would work. I would allow to combo spells/incantations but only if they are in the same category. so like glintstone spell into glintstone spell but not glintstone into thorn spell, or in the case of incantations, beastial into dragon communion.
@user-pc9ju8sg4s
2 жыл бұрын
That’s not a bug the bug is only with catch flame/bestial sling running attack that skips the animation of the next spell
@ScottJund
2 жыл бұрын
@@maciej-8809 im quite positive the natural animation chaining of swift glintstone into things like comet is completely intended
@diomeja
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this list, great points throughout. Totally agree that magma spells need something to stop being so underwhelming for the lack of range, FP cost, & cast speed. Every spell can't be great, but seeing an entire class of sorcery be trivialized is disappointing.
@expzulix4661
2 жыл бұрын
Same thing with lightning incant most just are too slow
@cyrusmuller6502
2 жыл бұрын
@@expzulix4661 bs honed bolt and lightning spear are literally used as a basis
@yungmalaria
2 жыл бұрын
@@expzulix4661 Even without the fast casting bug or regular chain they arent as bad as the lower tier sorceries
@the-four-seven
2 жыл бұрын
I was really looking forward to finally having access to fire elemental damage as a primarily int-based caster, but was so disappointed when I finally got my hands on them. Rykard's Rancor ended up being pretty nice though for all of those ulcerated tree spirits the game kept throwing at me, at least.
@diomeja
2 жыл бұрын
@@the-four-seven A silver lining is that if fire spells still reset Frostbite, there are plenty of ice spells that are great in this game. Even if the fire sorcery is eh, we can work with it in that regard.
@icannotyoutubetoday2408
2 жыл бұрын
I've always loved invading in the souls series so when I saw your first spellblade video with that mortar spell I fell in love with it. I'm planning on doing an arcane caster so knowing some of the more out there spells helps loads
@connorkenney6938
2 жыл бұрын
DUDE! Ty for the Vid. It's good to mix up your shorter vids with longer ones like this. I know the magma spells are SUS, but I'm making a faith/int build with Sword of Knight and Flame going for the frenzied ending. Both the magma staff and the frenzy seal scale with Faith/int/str/dex and since the dmg is Fire based it can benefit from lots from Flame, Grant me strength and Fire Scorpion Charm.
@Goobermanguy
2 жыл бұрын
Love this, can't wait for incant list in the future! Opinions: • Strong disagree on Briars of Sin. The 24 faith req means it's for int/faith builds. It combos with any other chainable sorcery. Combo into the second animation in the chain to catch people you've baited into rolling in. Amazing hyperarmor and ok poise damage, and very fast recovery so you have plenty of time to begin your next combo of spells, serves as a nice transition from a sorcery combo to an incant combo. If you use low-req spells you could afford an int/faith/arc build (arc to scale dmg), and the albinauric staff will add to the bleed on this. Learn your combos so that you never accidentally use the third animation though, the recovery is atrocious. Arguably you could do just spam Catch Flame or Carian Slicer at people who roll into you, but this has a nice lingering hitbox and AoE for invasions, and people don't expect the fast recovery so they are likely to eat your followup. Still not A-tier but definitely not F. • I don't think night shard deserves to be C if swift shard is S, they are exactly the same except for 2 FP cost and visual and damage differences. • Rancorcall I'd argue is just as good as its big brother b/c it's just so cheap in requirements and FP, useable even if you are not a mage. It has longer range than Stars of Ruin, so cast a couple times at long range and now you can approach any low-poise mage for free (unless they have eternal darkness). Despite low damage they are forced to react because of stagger. • I'd say Thops is full F :( I tried to make it work but very slow and it doesn't combo with other sorceries afaik. Best use is PvE for removing one of the final boss's spells. But I will keep trying to make the meme work!
@echoq7594
2 жыл бұрын
THOPS'S BARRIER CAN REMOVE THE ORB??
@smarthipan
2 жыл бұрын
agree on night shard for sure, and aren't invisibility sorceries unable to be parried too? does have some nice usage against spell parries if so. idk if that applies to eternal darkness or not haven't tested it :)
@rod4309
2 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to make an arcane caster build work for a while now. I'm not sure if i just suck at the caster play style or if it's my build that sucks though x.x. So far i've had an abysmal W/L record running both thorns Sorcs and a few of the blood Incants. Any advice?
@Ekqo3
2 жыл бұрын
I intend to test if Vow of the Indomitable can act as a counter to Stars of Ruin, you would probably need to perform it twice in a row if not three times but it might be enough s. Another thing I wanted to test was if the Blasphemous Claw could parry the player version of the Black Blade incantation because I noticed that it has the same golden effect around it. If i get around to testing these before someone else then I will reply to this comment or post one on the next video. Roiling Magma may be more useful than you think, I think it was Amir that I saw using it to keep his opponent away from him while he cast a dragonbreath incant, though the statspread required for that seems a little odd, there are probably better area denial sorceries anyway.
@felipdn3329
2 жыл бұрын
It's not enough, you'd take damage inbetween casts of Vow of the Indomitable and actually get more damage than spam rolling
@KrigRaseri
2 жыл бұрын
Man, I remember finding you all the back in LNC times and then I watched you do DKS2 PVP which got me into souls in the first place. After DKS3 is was sad to see you go on to For Honor and then DBD, but now it's great to see back on a souls game.
@True_Term
2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the casting review. Completely unrelated question, do you feel beast roar is a decent counter to longer windup spells? Its worked for me as a nice suprise on, say , a stars of ruin windup. Especially if they have light poise and can be staggered out of cast
@ScottJund
2 жыл бұрын
yep beast roar is a great counter to things like stars of ruin
@chadgunner4403
2 жыл бұрын
Beast roar best roar
@qwormuli77
2 жыл бұрын
It's good, especially against spammers. You don't even need to cancel their SoR, as you can consistently dodge a good majority of the all but inevitable damage, which most often makes it a great trade in your favor.
@malingering9794
2 жыл бұрын
Lief Blower, Viking Champion
@micajango4177
2 жыл бұрын
@@ScottJund Hey, minor thing that probably doesn't change ranking much, but by casting rock blaster with LH while RH is empty ( 2 Handing & charging spell cancels effect) it will cost a grand total of 0FP
@ungratefulingrate1268
2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes I love this kind of content! Can't wait for the other tier list. Maybe an ash of war one would also be very cool! I don't see beast roar too much but I think it's extremely good, for example. Much love man, yours is top tier content
@lucilovesick3938
2 жыл бұрын
Ngl Scott. Its nice to see you having genuine fun with games again. The break from DBD is doing you wonders
@stupidanon5941
2 жыл бұрын
24:55 I largely agree, but if you're positioned right (close enough) when they start casting, and you roll forward, starting your i-frames _right_ as the first hit is coming in, and then roll forward two more times after that, you can avoid the damage entirely. It's actually somewhat similar to the pattern and tempo for dodging Malenia's Waterfowl Dance.
@TitaNiUm-NaZ
2 жыл бұрын
yeah it did happen to me a couple of times where i didnt get any damage with well timed rolles … but it is hard to constantly do it perfectly
@pandinus1377
2 жыл бұрын
Add shaky connections and timing it is still impossibly hard, its gonna need either slower cast time or lower damage its way too oppressive with barely any effort on the casters part
@TitaNiUm-NaZ
2 жыл бұрын
@@pandinus1377 to be honest … with shitty connection … cannon of haima can hit you in split seconds
@pandinus1377
2 жыл бұрын
@@TitaNiUm-NaZ not absolutely unplayable connection but just enough to have a small delay, ive consistently gotten fucked over by that spell and that one spell only over a mountain of invasions
@TitaNiUm-NaZ
2 жыл бұрын
@@pandinus1377 i guess slight damage reduction would be great … we dont want the only viable spell for mages to be nerfed to the ground and with it poor mages … since it is the only kinda viable caster build
@veliqnespa
2 жыл бұрын
'Why did I choose that line of words...' - Always love the moments of inner commentary coming out!
@vladspellbinder
2 жыл бұрын
Just under half an hour isn't a "very long video" Scott. Thanks for the video Scott.
@ravelia
2 жыл бұрын
I've not played with sorceries but seeing this list will and hearing you explain how they should be used will definitely help with coming up with counters against them...which most likely will be Carian Retaliation for most of them :^)
@dustinsterling3248
2 жыл бұрын
I REALLY hope they fix the ash of war version of carian retaliation
@Bennieboy918
2 жыл бұрын
As long as you don’t use the self proc
@tk_the_onion
2 жыл бұрын
8:50 comboable also, good vid. useful for when I eventually make my magic man abomination build. in the future, though, would you be showing stats of the spells (required stats, fp costs, etc) and showcasing what it looks like? I think that would elevate future tierlists for people unfamiliar with all the spells/incantations as well as giving people an idea of what casts time and projectiles look like. also keeps us from going to fextra just dont showcase on terry.
@lionheart4424
2 жыл бұрын
This is very helpful, it shows you have experience using the spells. Thank you.
@AmeriChrisTheMage
2 жыл бұрын
Scholar's armament is exclusively useful for buffing Clayman's Harpoon for the double dipped inteligence scaling. But that weapon might just be an oversight by the devs so I don't know for how long that will be useful.
@Hax4Snax
2 жыл бұрын
Seems like an oversight for sure. This exact thing was in ds2 and was patched out once people found it.
@Cyfearal
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hax4Snax Yeah but in DS2 it was on the Moonlight Greatsword and it was quite literally one shotting everyone in pvp with extremely little effort or input at pretty much any level. Other weapons like Black Cryptsword could still be buffed despite being innate dark in DS2 but wasn't nearly as egregious as the buffed Moonlight.
@jeast9648
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I've been watching your pvp so I had a feeling how you would be ranking the good spells but it's nice to have a chart anyways.
@yumisynthia942
2 жыл бұрын
Sucks that some of the flashier spells tend to not do much. It's a shame, but oh well. Thanks for the list. Can't wait for the Incantations list.
@ember3579
2 жыл бұрын
That just makes it more satisfying when you pull the flashy bullshit off.
@shmekelfreckles8157
2 жыл бұрын
That’s why you should join the incantation gang. Nothing is flashier than dragon breath spells and they are very very good.
@omnom277
2 жыл бұрын
History of Souls games unfortunately. Flashy shit almost always tend to be absolute dogshit
@Bennieboy918
2 жыл бұрын
@@shmekelfreckles8157 rotten breath is fucking lame
@alondor8157
2 жыл бұрын
They are pve spells.
@cameothehunter
2 жыл бұрын
Got to say Founding Rain of Stars is quite underrated. I've been using a pure mage build similar to yours and use founding rain as my "you're gonna get wrecked when you get close" spell when carian slicer might not be the best (eg against some dual wielding rapiers or long poke weapons). The set up with Terra Magica I have not thought about but that could make it even better, for players who don't give a shit about the spell and just try and get me, it does like 600-700 damage and has A LOT of stuns. Really useful to ease pressure and then set up
@ScottJund
2 жыл бұрын
i think it takes too long to cast, and even go into effect, and it costs 2 slots. still not worth IMO
@cameothehunter
2 жыл бұрын
@@ScottJund also loving your videos, keep the awesome content coming. I've always loved pure sorcery but you helped me make it possible, having my most enjoyable souls pvp experience atm
@vt4979
2 жыл бұрын
The sword sorceries are so good in this game that it actually feels way better to play as a spellblade than a melee this time.
@BeanBups
2 жыл бұрын
YES more tier list content as well as long format invasions
@oscarbarriuso3667
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting so long for this video 🙏
@hariskarvounis
2 жыл бұрын
Your Tierlist is really on point 👍 If the pvp community does not discover other spell combos or a pvp patch hits with major changes, this list is pretty much the mage meta for pvp. Very helpfull video well done👊
@joppiseni3710
2 жыл бұрын
Aaaaand now you gotta do this all over again
@Yelqo
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting thing with Shatter Earth is that if chain casted it does explosion of Rock Blaster with much faster cast time. Even if it's techincally a "worse version" of Rock Blaster it ends up being better for that alone. May be just a worse off version of piercer and slicer for roll catching, still satisfying to hit though.
@stupidanon5941
2 жыл бұрын
4:04 I remember people saying back in the network test that that spell was going to be amazing for pvp because of lingering hitboxes. Even back then, I was telling them all they were wrong.
@traviswettroth4391
2 жыл бұрын
Scott's videos are the only YT vids I dont watch in 1.5 speed because he already sounds like hes at 1.5 speed normally.
@theguileraven7014
2 жыл бұрын
“You’ll never death-blight someone ever” I’ve seen montages showing otherwise. lol
@franciscoimperial8513
2 жыл бұрын
I love this character arc for you so much
@threenineteen2080
2 жыл бұрын
Just a heads up the briar thorn spells are better when used together due to the animation canceling between them. You can do the spell that tracks and then the aoe one around you and the aoe will have its animation cancelled. You can also do the aoe one twice and then use the thorn spell that tracks to cancel its animation. Makes them much more usable imo.
@AngloLover
2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one!
@Sabata
2 жыл бұрын
For invasions I like night maidens mist to smoke people out of their hiding spots. Also the moons are fun to use at long ranges, especially against other mages cuz it’ll eat their spells like eternal darkness. Not the most practical things but very enjoyable IMO
@Cussyzera
2 жыл бұрын
I believe I have something in favor of Scholars Armament, hear me out Mr Jund. This spells adds 0.75% of your magic scaling as magic damage to your weapon, so a 400 incantation caster (everyone with 80 int buffed like your mage) can get something slightly above +300 magic damage in any weapon. There a few weapons with magic damage that can also de buffed, like the Clayman's Spear (12 STH, 10 DES, 12 INT), a weapon that with the basic stats and 80 int has a standard AR of 531 and magic infused AR of 672. Considering that you can go to somewhere around 835 total AR with the Standard Infusion + Scholars Armament, which then becomes 945 AR with the magic damage flask, I'd say it's pretty good compared to the magic infusion. It's not a ground breaking spell, but having a 5kg spear with almost 1000 AR and that your very own mage has the stats to equip right now is definitely something more than F tier... right? Might be wrong please don't ban me s2
@Genosidukka
2 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with this and with lusat 430 scaling, tslismans and buffs with the right ash of war you can absolutely oneshot someone. Its way way way better than the magic or cold ash of war. The creator is wrong about this. A-S tier depending on what you use it on.
@oscarbarriuso3667
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried it and it is 100% not worth it as it only does a tiny bit more damage than using magic ash of war for a temporary buff
@Genosidukka
2 жыл бұрын
@@oscarbarriuso3667 i wanna hear more of what you tested on. Its not a tiny bit ots like 20% depending on weapon.
@KyussTheWalkingWorm
2 жыл бұрын
Clayman's Harpoon is literally the only weapon worth using with Scholar's Armament at a reasonable level. It's not "a few weapons", it's just this one. The spell doesn't become good because it has one cheesy interaction that ignores the rules that apply to every other weapon in the game.
@Genosidukka
2 жыл бұрын
@@KyussTheWalkingWorm this is just flat out not true. Its a spell so you can buff it with many multipliers. Talismans, armorsets, flask, staves int scaling. Its so much bettet than the passive scaling on a weapon that you get from magic or cold ash of war. With 70-80 int you get 10-20% more dmg per hit with scholar. Its quite nuts. Clayman is the best bcs it has inate int scaling but it work better at breakpoint int with any weapon.
@stupidanon5941
2 жыл бұрын
0:30 Super eager to see where you put night shard on this list. Edit: 18:31 Now I can't wait to see where you put swift glintstone shard. Other edit: 25:51 night shard is just as fast as glintstone shard, comes out at the same speed, and if you run the staff of loss in your 'off'-hand (whichever hand that is) it will out-damage glintstone shard by a significant amount. I regularly 3-4 shot people by spamming night shard at them. This does mean you need to either give up your Carian Glintstone Staff, or have your second off-hand slot with a staff, and have enough carry weight to not be fat-rolling while also having 56 poise, though. Personally, I think it's worth it. Everything you say here about swift glintstone shard, is also true of night shard, except if you have the staff of loss as your supporting staff, night shard will also hit harder than swift glintstone shard (anywhere from 400-450 damage has been my experience). You should really give night shard another look.
@subhuman9544
2 жыл бұрын
That's not enough of a benefit to justify not using the carian staff of other staffs that benefit the spells intended for close range. Scott's build is similar to mine as it's well equipped to handle itself at close range or long range(duel wise). It's better to focus on close range imo because more players are going to want to fight you up close than from far away. Night shard does hit hard, I've seen it. It just will not be a reliable win condition against a decent player, not by itself. Only bad players will let you repeatedly punish them with this, so it's not worth dedicating offhands or anything significant
@stupidanon5941
2 жыл бұрын
@@subhuman9544 I already dealt with this in my comment. To repeat, you can just have the other staff in a second off-hand slot, and switch as-needed.
@davet9820
2 жыл бұрын
Nice. Looking forward to the incantations!
@naota909
2 жыл бұрын
Fuck yes. This is the content we want Scott Daddy
@Jack-rp7uh
2 жыл бұрын
hell yeah i’m down for these type of videos. finally content from someone who actually has like 10k hours in souls pvp
@Hax4Snax
2 жыл бұрын
Sorceries are so crazy in ER, the combos, mixups, area control and sheer damage they have is insane. I also really enjoy the skill cap a sorcerer build can have as well. I'm shit at pvp but it's really fun learning and improving with different spells.
@Higginight
2 жыл бұрын
Night Maiden's Mist, in my honest opinion, is a lot better than you describe it as. For starters, the claim that it harms your allies is false. It only damages enemies and the person who used it. I know this for a fact, as I used it just the other night in Radahn's boss fight whilst playing with two of my friends, AND summoning all the NPC's. Absolutely none of them took any damage from it except myself and Radahn. This spell is capable of not only dealing with large groups of enemies simultaneously, but is also very useful against larger bosses, as they will very often stay inside of its range and continue to take damage. This is especially useful for bosses and enemies that are resistant to magic, as it does continuous tick damage to them that ignores their magic resistance, and can deal with them pretty easily because of that. And, it's also able to charged, which will effectively double the size of the cloud it creates, allowing to you cover a pretty large area, making it even more effective for all the aforementioned reasons.
@ShikiRyougi05
2 жыл бұрын
Lets go! This will probably be really useful!
@bobbytoodle8912
2 жыл бұрын
Yay new Scott vid just dropped
@maxxlawrence3910
2 жыл бұрын
Please god do more. We lost PvP skillz. We need rating formats for ER
@turtlepowerftw3524
2 жыл бұрын
I legit just last night respecced into your sorcery build you put up recently. I started the game that way then moved to a blood/arcane build and it’s strong was just getting boring. Really excited for the new build
@BabyEmber
2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with this list. I stopped running moonblade as I just loved piercer and slicer so much and didn't feel the need to slot it. I'm gonna start running it again and see how it feels now.
@vassanguis
2 жыл бұрын
One thing about Bloodthorn sorceries though: they apparently combo with each other, letting you skip the cast animations and spam the shit out of them for massive damage, if timed correctly.
@ScottJund
2 жыл бұрын
its neat and all but a spell repertoire consisting of two spells is never gonna do great
@madrex512
2 жыл бұрын
@@ScottJund unless those spells are stars of ruin and stars of ruin
@mylesmiller5979
2 жыл бұрын
If you didn’t know you can chain cast both of the blood spells b2b. It’s niche but if you have both of them on your bar and you’re using the trail one Lyon can use the big aoe when they come close. Actually really fun build with blessed talisman and beast vitality.
@sIimepoop
2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the incantation tier list and your recommendations. Incantations feel much more limiting than sorceries for pvp in my experience.
@fluffzimouse4988
2 жыл бұрын
the only things I don't agree on as far as placing is concerned are... Zamor's ice storm (very very good at punishing bloodhound step spammers that close the distance as the aoe around you catches them) scholars armament (INSANELY strong for amplifying certain weapons arts on hybrid casters with stuff like glintstone shard, waves of darkness, phantom slash turning any one of these into one shot machines, for this it deserves at least c tier and would recommend trying it out on a magic weapon art focused build) outside of that, solid video :P
@queenscornerofnohits6656
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, and I was just about to eat. This is prime eating food content. Nice.
@Wezla
2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I loved your Dbd content, and I love this Elden Ring stuff even more. Good shit!
@Minus_993
2 жыл бұрын
Fast casting the briar spell you ranked last is super good for baiting people , it also combos with slicer
@fuddlez8243
2 жыл бұрын
this was so helpful thanks bro
@teaconnoisseur1317
2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see your next video on incantations.
@ImMaramAtt
2 жыл бұрын
For people who would like to have the benefit of Ancient Death Rancor without specing into faith, there's a weapon called "Family heads" that has the same effect. (and if you're spec'ed enough to hold the moonveil, then you can use it as well)
@Phhase
2 жыл бұрын
A weapon with the Endure weapon art (Perseverance) is an excellent combo with any casting tool, ESPECIALLY if you're casting Inescapable Frenzy. Perhaps it might help the viability of longer windup spells?
@monke12354
2 жыл бұрын
Good video, I would suggest showing the spells being cast on screen or something though
@yungmalaria
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly belief you can make a solid build just with Carrian Slicer, Adulas Moonblade and Carrian Piercer. Rush with slicer and punish rolls and whiffs by swapping between the two. Also I think its worth mentioning with gravity spells, they can’t be spell parried by carrian retaliation shields. So Ive lately been using collapsing stars when people pull out a parry shield from a distance.
@BrownJTown
2 жыл бұрын
Insomnia brings great things. Great video!
@yengereng9962
2 жыл бұрын
id say magic downpour is a good "stay away from me" spell as it becomes an automated shotgun turret. ive also used it to counter a fingerprint shield once with pretty good results, though i will say you can totally make do without it.
@IAMUtubeSockPuppet
2 жыл бұрын
Adula's Moonblade is ALSO a shockingly good anti-air. If someone tries a jump-in, after predicting you'll use other projectiles or weapon pokes, it's nigh-guaranteed to smack them. This is because the wave's hitbox is surprisingly high, and the targeting adjust on the spell will actually respond to the opponent's jump. This means it easily hits the opponent's non-invul upper-body. It's decent in a trade with most jump-ins too, because of its insane damage potential. Ambush shard, in some weird situations (usually involving the z-axis?) can appear directly inside the opponent's hurtbox. Combined with its fast startup, this is basically guaranteed damage. That said, the circumstances that allow for this seem to be quite unreliable. Cannon is S-tier in invasions imo, and also goes way up in usefulness if duels are happening in any area with substantial terrain (going down to a 1 vs 1 in an invasion; if we get any dueling arenas that aren't Final Destination). It's ability to damage through walls, punt people off ledges, and mess up roll-timings if it goes off "early" via hitting terrain shines in those situations. !Spell Carian Retaliation will still be worse than !Ash Carian Retaliation even if the damage were equalized, for the reasons you cite. Furthermore, when I used the spell in place of the ash, there were a bunch of times where I'd negate the opposing spell, but got no swords at all. Meaning the spell seems desync'd by lag in the opposite way to the ash. Frozen Mist is better than some of the other area denial spells, imo, since the cast is faster and it lasts so long. Assuming the opponent isn't already frostbit, that is, because in that case they don't fear it at all. A lot of the other area denial spells have the issue of either being unreliable in how they hit (magic downpour) or taking too long to come out (Crystal Release, Founding Rain), meaning that you almost need *another* area denial spell to buy the time to set them up. Hammer combo being even slower than the initial hit makes me extremely sad. I'm convinced they either did that a) to allow it to still hit if the first blow knocked an opponent down or b) because they 100% intended spell combos to be a thing, and didn't want a flash hammer followup from slicer. I think quantitative downgrade spells like Glintstone Cometshard shouldn't be ignored by mages with low mind. Being able to sustain an option across a fight, especially in protracted engagements like some invasions, shouldn't be dismissed. This is less true post-FP cost buffs, since Comet now only costs 7 more FP than Cometshard. This is NOT true for downgrades that lose a qualitative instead of quantitative factor - Gravity Well is not a more FP efficient, but DPS deficient, Collapsing Stars, because the real draw of Collapsing Stars is its delayed timing and being much more frame active. I disagree with Night Maiden's Mist's assignment to a fair degree - for invasions anyway. It's a poor-man's Cannon of Haima or Adula's Moonblade, when it comes to hitting people hiding behind doors or corners. A good way to check for such things too. The spell keeps ticking for a time even after fleeing the cloud, so even momentarily touching it deals like 200 damage. For low level invasions, I got a LOT of use out of it, especially since it's a fraction of the cost of Cannon. Also, if someone commits to a long animation, like a lot of the dragon communion incantations, since the mist doesn't stun *they cannot cancel the animation to leave it* and get dissolved. Awful in duels, to be sure. Shard Spiral gives me memories of the Great Soul Arrow vs Homing Soul Arrow mixup from DS2. Only potentially better, since good players can't just unlock, run diagonally towards you at boosted speed, and/or quick roll to negate the mixup. I think Terra Magicka is quite good in PvP, same as you. However, I think using it as an invader is a bit more limited in application. If you're in a position where the gank can pressure you, even superboosted Slicer or Moonblade damage probably won't save you. On the other hand, if you're down to just the host, you HAVE to go to them or they'll escape to resummon. Having Terra Magicka down on a vantage point where you can shell the host team with Comet, Cannon of Haima, or Stars of Ruin, however, is quite powerful.
@KingThor128
2 жыл бұрын
I love, love love how good nearly all of the melee spells are in this game. Farron Flashsword, Soul GS and Old Moonlight could fun to use in DS3 but they dont come even close to touching the ones in this game.
@PsychoticGengar
2 жыл бұрын
that "why did I use that line of words" got me damn 😂
@JustAPrinnyDood
2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly you can free aim Crystal Barrage by moving the camera. Probably not too useful but that's pretty neat.
@Kramburger11
2 жыл бұрын
I hope to see a video from you covering the melee weapon types. I gotta know what to use when I feel like torturing myself.
@dermisbakin3259
2 жыл бұрын
Very niche interaction, but night shard and night comet are pretty much the only spells that aren't affected by Eternal Darkness, so as an anti-mage spell its quite decent, and since its similar to the swift glintstone shard into comet combo, its quite good in certain scenarios.
@chrisg6654
Жыл бұрын
I know this video is 3 months old but I just started getting into the pvp space. Great list, it doesn’t really seem like anything you said changed all that much. I do have to say though, rannis dark moon is so satisfying when it does connect. I like to combine it with greatblade phalanx and glinstone arc at the start of a fight and something always hits if bloodhound step isn’t used
@aeroosprey
2 жыл бұрын
For Loretta's Greatbow, as far as invasions go, it's great to charge one up when you're either in wide open areas or from a position that can't be punished with melee without walking in front of you. The fact that you can hold it indefinitely means that you can punish anyone trying to cast something of their own (anything that casts faster doesn't have the range the bow has and spells like the madness snipe has such a long and distinct animation they're locked in that you can easily release the arrow and dodge it of the way of the beam). Also, I've nailed some invaders at mid range after their guard has fallen a bit and they start screwing around some (especially when they're emoting). In short, provided you have good positioning and a partner between you and them, when you start charging the spell, you can keep an invader on edge and uncomfortable by just simply holding one of your shoulder buttons
@aromaticity9150
2 жыл бұрын
It is much better in that scenario, but in my experience as the one getting ganked, usually other spells just being spammed puts on more pressure. It's just pretty easy to dodge. I don't have to play super safe around it, but it does require a bit more caution. IMO the most cancerous spell to deal with out of a gank aside from Stars of Ruin is Swift Glintstone Shard. Just a mage spamming that shit while their homie runs at you is way harder to deal with than the mage spamming rocks, or pebbles, or comets, etc.
@FeatherMelody
2 жыл бұрын
Anish shared is also good to hit people healing or trying to cast their own spells. It's really funny when someone tries to cast with partial convert and you smack them out of it
@FyterianTV
2 жыл бұрын
0:24 omg Scott claims to know everything!
@donbetulio
2 жыл бұрын
good content, keep rating stuff for pvp please
@ericmohn4002
2 жыл бұрын
really enjoying the videos, glintstone arc is only 10 fp btw
@juanarboleda95
2 жыл бұрын
This may be kind of a meme, but what about the consumable items that cost FP and work like a spell...
@thelastgamer1
2 жыл бұрын
Probably not the easy by any means but showing what each spell did along with this tier list would of been a really amazing video. Thanks for the tier list 👍🏽 Edit: way to many spells to be worth the video maybe like a top 15 or top tiers maybe???
@acey3574
2 жыл бұрын
Some comments as a fellow 80 hour mage: Glintstone cometshard chain casts out from slicer rly goddamn fast, surprisingly good combo Swift Glintstone shard kind of helps punish aggressive poke setups, like UGS roll poke, or halberd run attacks. Rollback and rolling cast always gets some damage off, def agree with S tier Lastly, as a guy refusing to use memes of ruin, ive found star shower also A rank material. Still hard to dodge, pretty brutal damage for a downgrade, and a great "stay back while I drink/riingswap/cast another spell tool"
@DavidVillaTorre
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Could you do this for incantations as well?
@JayGarlic840
2 жыл бұрын
Loretta’s Mastery actually is pretty cool because you can aim to your left if they’re in front of you lock onto them and it’ll do a really sharp arc and I’ve roll caught with it before
@StairFacts
2 жыл бұрын
The one niche use for Sorcerer's Armament is that you can use it to buff the Clayman's Harpoon, which innately has magic damage and Intelligence scaling in addition to being able to be buffed. It's the only weapon that is like this however, so it's kind of the exception to the rule of that spell being bad.
@Genosidukka
2 жыл бұрын
No no no, any weapons works with this. Doesnt have to be clayman, you just need to buff the initial cast as much as possible (talismans, terra etc. Not sure if Terra works here, havent tested). I have a plus 25 grave scythe in heavy affinity with the knights cavalry ash of war. Hits for 3k+ in pve absolutely oneshots someone in pvp if you land the 2 chain combo. Has bloodloss too so it destroys everything in pve. Also the ash of war is very good because even is you get stunnes the ghost hit goes trough.
@StairFacts
2 жыл бұрын
@@Genosidukka I'm well aware it works just like any weapon buff, but you can't use it on a Magic or Cold infused weapon to maximize your Magic damage. Clayman's Harpoon is the exception since it has Magic damage built into the weapon and can be buffed, so it massively benefits from having a buff applied and you can pull off some nasty damage numbers with stuff like the Glintstone Pebble Ash of War.
@Genosidukka
2 жыл бұрын
@@StairFacts the scythe has bloodloss built in so its going to chunk
@StairFacts
2 жыл бұрын
@@Genosidukka I know it does, I wasn't talking about scythes though lol Unless you're PVPing at RL 200, I doubt you'd be getting much from using Sorcerer's Armament over going for an incantation buff build with a Heavy infused weapon.
@Genosidukka
2 жыл бұрын
@@StairFacts 170 with 80int i sure am. Just a flat 20% dmg buff that scales with ashes of war too. If i hit i oneshot sub 50 vigor
@musikmann95
2 жыл бұрын
I only just started the video and I'm tired out of my mind so I'm gonna ask now are you planning to do a faith/dragon tier list?
@EscapeTheGuitar
2 жыл бұрын
I'm building a RL130 Necromancer build, Fia's Mist and Eclipse Shotel too and, man, have I been shook by this video ay lmao
@hereforvidess
2 жыл бұрын
Great tier list, I disagree on Nightmaidens Mist though. It doesn't hurt your ally's, and it's definitely one of the best for area denial mainly because of how long it lasts.
@umadibet5417
2 жыл бұрын
Took awhile but hey, I strongly agree with your stier listing. One criticism I’d have or suggest is coming from the mindset of when is this spell useful or better yet is there a situation that it is. Tibias only use I could find was having the high ground on a staircase or trying to line of sight someone at a pillar as the spell will channel the damage regardless of the terrain. For my own mage build I just ran adulas and slicer and didn’t really see a need for anything else because bloodhounds step( offensively) presented the opportunity to consistently get those one shots. I’d also suggest always manual aiming the spell as you really get a feel of when the great blade makes a connection.
@umadibet5417
2 жыл бұрын
That being said the ranged game is kind of like being a pied piper to mice. You want your spells to dictate movement and put your mouse into a situation you can moon blade or slice down. Definitely need to incorporate swift glintstone as it’s needs have been missed.
@xxcompanionlesxx6030
2 жыл бұрын
im not gonna say what part made me chuckle cause i feel like u already know when saw your face after saying it LOL
@DrApylon
2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Death Rancor is 100% A tier for its stagger and chase time alone. The INT/FTH setup using Ancient Death Rancor can straight up combo people with bestial sling/flame catch stagger for the skulls to hit, then they do 2-3 stagger animations which is long enough for a follow up chain spell, 2 skulls are enough to stagger someone with maximum poise. Side Note: Scott, try an INT/FTH/ARC build for multicasting, the Albinauric Staff at 37INT/32FTH/50ARC has 320 Sorcery Scaling and the Dragon Communion Talisman is already the best FTH talisman for its investment, so at 32FTH you end up with 324 Incant Scaling and 320 Sorcery Scaling, it feels very strong and versatile because the sorcery spells actually get to do decent damage (this is on a lvl 125 character). Collapsing Stars, not noted here, will go through eternal darkness and has more range than stars of ruin and casts faster, I do disagree with it not doing a lot of damage, a CRS+10 and 80 INT will have the whole thing hit for about 700-900 DMG for 18 base FP. Night Shard and Night Comet are both inferior to their regular cousins, Night Shard is a swift glintstone shard, but costs 7FP (double staff of loss can be kinda fun though since at 80 INT it will hit for 450-500 in PvP), Night Comet isnt the "Night" version of Comet, it is the "Night" version of Cometshard and lacks Comet's amazing hitbox (while costing about as much FP). Otherwise, its basically on the money, great list.
@NaviPlayerPhase
2 жыл бұрын
At lower level invasion ranges, Night Maiden's Mist is absurdly strong. Using it in close quarters, like caves and catacombs, can allow you close off a chokepoint or corner a retreating host. The mist chunks hp and even continues to damage sometime after leaving its vicinity. Definitely deserves more credit in that category!
@TheNamesRaZoR
2 жыл бұрын
If only it didn’t do damage to yourself and teammates too
@NekoHime720
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit late to the party but I feel like the night sorceries got a little undervalued here, because they have some hidden utility. People already mentioned the staff of loss bonus for an offhand choice (It can out damage comet for less FP when SoL is used in offhand), however, the real benefit of these spells is said lesser known utility. They have extra pierce damage to shields, are unaffected by eternal darkness, and do not trigger either carion retaliation or golden retaliation (erdtree greatshield). They can catch players off guard (and completely counter some) for those reasons. Night comet also combos the same way regular comet does, so night shard into night comet has the same fast cast and with SoL in offhand can easily hit for 1500+ damage. The trade off for another passive bonus staff is somewhat considerable for pure casters, however the other utility they provide makes it much more viable. I love this spell when I see erdtree greatshield because you can just full charge it and most people will just try and retaliate it and get slammed with a big chunk of damage(1000+ fully charged thru the shield w/ godfrey icon). Plus comet is a massive looking projectile that can clog up the screen and night comet is much less visually impactful, sometimes even being hard to track when in the dark (this part is mostly just personal preference though). Not quite as all propose as their glintstone counterparts, but still quite viable for the added utility
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