Interesting combination, it looks like an EXTREMELY easy civ in terms of economy but quite difficult in army management, you cannot get distracted, you must heal units, etc. I love it.
@hughroe8598
10 ай бұрын
I agree this is a low micro, high micro civ, and accordingly, it's probably not that easy to play. I think the 1 star difficulty rating does not reflect the challenge with winning with them
@teomarik
10 ай бұрын
@@hughroe8598 it depends on how you see it. It is probably easier than English to play per se, what makes this evaluation questionable is that one thing is be able to learn it at a basic level (beat the hardest AI for example) another thing is to play it well competitively. I suppose we will have our answers in a few months after playing it for a while.
@mikelleonardi
5 ай бұрын
@@hughroe8598I’m still low elo and decently new (been playing age 2 for like a year and age 4 for a few weeks) but I currently have 100% win rate with OotD in ranked and they took me straight to gold 3. I find them to be the easiest civ and the hardest civ for us newer players to counter. Their powerful armies early game in feudal/early castle are just too strong for most players to defend and the slower unit production feels totally made up for by the increased eco speed Its castle age landmarks are both insanely good. You can rush the monestary and go straight for relics / sites and just become unstoppable with basically unlimited gold or go for the barracks x2 and wipe their base with a mixed army Every single military unit they have feels strong so as long as you are building the right units it feels like I can defend anything and my units feel invincible when they attack Spearman killing the enemy mills + 4 farms at once just feels illegal too My favorite civ so far for SURE
@michal4736
10 ай бұрын
My new main civ❤️ finally my babysitting units will be rewarded 💪🏻
@arcticlight3922
10 ай бұрын
Just imagine this imperial knight stolen by new french and that hero lady used 4th level ability on it. Omega knight with near 1000 hp
@oojikarasuma1
10 ай бұрын
Jeanne is drooling
@WPTheRabbitHole
9 ай бұрын
i have a creativity moment: what if you built a small wooden palisade box with 1-2 gate entrances, a little back from the front line, then put a few priests inside. it would be like a field hospital for your expensive OoTD units..
@SmoothPeace
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for your insight brother, appreciate all the videos you put out. Also, thumbnail says "Order of a Dragon". Just a heads up 😉
@ThebassTHX
10 ай бұрын
In regards to what you said about the Crossbow damage onto sieg. As far as I could tell it's added as a Bonus damage. The Bonus damage goes through any kind of Armor, which means that the crossbow deal 1 dmg with the base attack and +10 with the bonus damage, which probably makes it a very usefull tech.
@08vinster
10 ай бұрын
That's only true in aoe2. You can see in drongos vids against the full 30PA siege, those xbows suck ass
@thegorn
10 ай бұрын
Drongo proved that these bolts do next to nothing once the enemy siege gets the Siege Works
@jacobs8531
10 ай бұрын
My new Main :)
@RuinousDrow
10 ай бұрын
On my way to Sub-athon now! Thank you so much for this video, I am so darn excited for Order of the Dragon! :)
@cdgncgn
10 ай бұрын
Archer dropped in range from 5.5 feudal to 5 imperial.
@pedzod1761
10 ай бұрын
Since unit is expensive the micro on this civ might be more important.
@vitorsts7084
10 ай бұрын
Beasty speaking landsknecht correctly feels weird lul... Great and insightful video! EDIT: Order's Elzbach Palace also has +50% hp, Swabia is exactly the same
@Stelphy876
10 ай бұрын
how is that correctly lmao that g in ch is still off but thats to be expected
@armystudios8437
4 ай бұрын
Order of The Dragon is my fav Civ and now I know all these crazy about them
@idance4fun
10 ай бұрын
Order of the Dragon: official French counter
@henrifortier8621
10 ай бұрын
Why tho
@tarksoyturk2893
10 ай бұрын
really? i thought the opposite, since their economy is slower, their units are more expensive they will have a hard time to answer French's early knight harassment (because they'll get their first units later than the other civs) and it will be harder for them to be on multiple places at once to defend their villagers because they'll have less units.
@Yeldibus
10 ай бұрын
@@tarksoyturk2893 French knights benfit from having pretty good armor, which gets circumvented by having units that deal higher than normal damage. A royal knight in feudal age has 190 HP and 3 melee armor. A regular HR MAA has 10 damage, so after taking armor into account, they hit for 7. So it takes 28 attacks to kill a knight. If we take 2 MMA (snce dragon MMA are twice the cost), each MMA needs to attack 14 times. Given their attack speed of 1.375, the two MMA will take 19,25 seconds to kill the knight. Crucially, the knight only needs 9 seconds to kill one of the MMA, meaning "team MMA" will only be dealing half damage for the remaining 10,25 seconds. Effectively this means that the lone remaining MMA will need another 20,5 seconds to kill the knight. After another 9 seconds pass, the knight will have killed the second MMA and actually survived the battle. A ryoal knight up against a gilded MMA faces an attack dealing 14 damage. After reducing for armor, the gilded MMA will deal 11 damage per hit, so they'll need 18 hits to kill the knight. With an attack speed of 1.125, the gilded MMA needs 20,25 seconds to kill the knight (so a little longer than the two MMA). However, the knight needs 17,25 seconds to chew through the gilded MMA's health - and the gilded MMA doesn't lose half his damage output half-way through the fight. Overall, the knight will still survive, but with less HP remaining than if it had fought 2 MMA. It's not a drastic advantage here, but in large scale battles not losing damage output for a longer time will be very advantageous.
@arthurwang3492
10 ай бұрын
it is ayyubids lol, imagine get camel rider which can switch to bow in feudal.
@tarksoyturk2893
10 ай бұрын
@@Yeldibus that doesn't mean order of the dragon counters french though. it just means that gilded maa are better against knights than regular maa. like beasty said you need to go for direct counter units against order of the dragon and that's what you need to do as French and also as every other civ.
@nazarco4513
10 ай бұрын
Mangonels appreciated that there were fewer units. If you usually have a very large radius and the mangonel will not hit everyone to the same extent, now the radius coincides with the radius of the mangonel.
@08vinster
10 ай бұрын
Not necessarily. OTD units have higher hp, meaning fewer units actually die to the aoe attack. Mangos are better Vs low hp units. Spread formation is also a thing. OTD on spread is much stronger Vs mangos . Think of knights Vs mangos and how little damage they do
@nazarco4513
10 ай бұрын
Если армия большая и нажать С, то в таком случае будет область которая вообще не будет затронута мангонелью. Вы должны понимать, что есть общий пул хп армии, а в таком случае в общем хп у этой цивилизации станет меньше, так как они будут полностью в зоне поражения мангонели. Попадаю по 1 юниту, вы как будто бы попали сразу по двум. Да, это снижает шанс остаточной потери юнита и дает возможность его излечить в дальнейшем. Нужно будет смотреть, как работает лечение. @@08vinster
@IskoJakobsson
10 ай бұрын
Imagine massing royal knights and then u see 40 gilded spearmen coming towards you
@AetherXIV
10 ай бұрын
you explain it best. ty Beasty
@grdks981
10 ай бұрын
Habsburgs are back 😁😁
@ZoltGz
8 ай бұрын
The order of the dragon was made by the King of Hungary 😂
@amputechure
10 ай бұрын
Something that became painfully obvious with Regnintz Cathedral is that you will *not* have a prelate upon age up and so you give up that early relic scoop-up that normal HRE gains.
@jarlwilliam9932
10 ай бұрын
Yeah but if you can gain map control then you stomp, however the burgrave actually lowers Maa cost to near normal levels which means you can afford a very large army pretty quickly.
@thomaschevrierlaliberte5884
10 ай бұрын
I understand you marathon has started. Have fun Beasty!
@Lacertos
10 ай бұрын
Protoss came to AoE boys. How do I say En Taro Adun in German?
@cdgncgn
10 ай бұрын
we need Mengsk coop.
@Jan_Vogelsang
10 ай бұрын
What is the "charge micro" referring to. When running away, how can you charge?
@smugkokomi8384
9 ай бұрын
I really hoped their design was more like the Teutonic order tho
@calebtucker1609
8 ай бұрын
It is wtf
@goldenpony822
6 ай бұрын
@@calebtucker1609 the black pot helmet and long cloak...
@degreedenys1683
10 ай бұрын
That's a very useful video. Thank you very much! Stay safe, stay cool!
@kejadventures241
10 ай бұрын
thank you beasty, excellent video again!
@mylesfranco3545
10 ай бұрын
I have been waiting for the Landsknecht to get the Halberd! now we are talking!!
@ImCaveJohnson
10 ай бұрын
The dragon told me to get him a large fries and coke... "Order of the dragon~"
@davidpereira5969
10 ай бұрын
One thing i thought is since most of their units have extra armor, they will really hardcounter archers/pikemen, and on the other hand their pikemen don't get so hardcountered by maa for example because of their high base damage. High armor and more hp makes me think that healing with prelates will now be even more valuable, so hopefuly we start to see people pulling away their weak units and sending back home to get healed, the knight alone is worth 400+ res
@belfastireee
6 ай бұрын
this is refreshing, for once im already doing almost everything you say.
@vinceboros6154
10 ай бұрын
31:45 This advice ironically implies that HRE will be the hard counter for the Order of the Dragon
@sp1r1t_d1tch
10 ай бұрын
The biggest Order of the Dragon power spike will definitely be once they reach Castle age and can heal all their low hp units with the unlocked prelates, it will a destruction :D
@PLee-cy9nu
10 ай бұрын
23:20 I thought bonus damage ignores pierce armor?
@tom.walder
9 ай бұрын
It's just +10 damage, not bonus damage. So the +10 ranged armor completely negates it. Wald
@cyrano-5539
10 ай бұрын
i feel like this meinwerk palace should had been design that way for HRE a long time ago, more viable, offer a real choice between this and chapel. sad that is just for OoD.
@cdgncgn
10 ай бұрын
knights with 10/10, spears and horses with 2 extra melee (5 melee max) at least to me seems better than chapel. Nothing for maa and lands well, whatever...
@hoarahloux9326
10 ай бұрын
The meinwerk is like this like a year or so xD
@thesqartenprogram
9 ай бұрын
@@cdgncgn yea I always go meinwerk over chapel the upgrades were worth it imo
@lerimusurelu6908
10 ай бұрын
Cant wait to buy this game! Currently playing AoE 2 hheheehee...
@Marc-gj9vx
10 ай бұрын
Does golden cuirass reduce by 20% Before applying armor or after? Because if it's applied BEFORE armor it can make a huge difference for MAA against archer spear horsemen. And it's effectively much stronger. If it's applied after it is very weak.
@DT95
9 ай бұрын
OK I tested, the answer is YES! Damage is reduce 20% before applying armor and the tech is very cheap so It's a must
@Voltechs
8 ай бұрын
Just got my butt handed to me playing French against OotD. Definitely did exactly what you recommended against. I just assumed French knights were (they were) the best in the game. Nope. Guess I'll be switching my main! 😉
@Sinuskamm22015
10 ай бұрын
Finaly!❤
@loweloking88
10 ай бұрын
Does dragon still want to unlike in the monastery for big bonuses?
@chronics23
5 ай бұрын
did they remove dragon villagers?
@morenosandiego
10 ай бұрын
The Knights are like Elephants
@Amadeus8484
10 ай бұрын
Why are there no Mongols in your selection menu?
@TheAppo1988
10 ай бұрын
How is hre epected to keep up with that?
@julia_173
10 ай бұрын
>order of the dragon >no dragon in the roster
@cyrano-5539
10 ай бұрын
i just fear of the balance of this civ, specially in team game. I hope to be wrong
@rodnasizeb1170
10 ай бұрын
against that civ u need proper dragon in the game and just burn them all from the air
@abacaxi.maldoso
10 ай бұрын
7:21 AOE damage? Age of Empires??
@cdgncgn
10 ай бұрын
area of effect
@abacaxi.maldoso
10 ай бұрын
@@cdgncgn thanks 😃
@AkiZukiLenn
10 ай бұрын
me building cloeset farm 1 tiles away Now have an excuse.
@gorbork
10 ай бұрын
Really wish they had the MaA mace upgrade.
@maicolombia
10 ай бұрын
The wood cutting its aggravating. Sometimes you need to place strategic buildings in a location and you cant open the room for them anymore. I have no idea why devs thought this is a good idea...
@Yeldibus
10 ай бұрын
To prevent chopping down a tree to invalidate a wall next to it.
@Stelphy876
10 ай бұрын
20:05 so you still get schnitzel in the game lol
@amadeusbender3417
10 ай бұрын
Will 1 Order of the Dragon villager also count for 2 normal Villagers concerning the storage place in TC or Towers ?
@emtemt9450
10 ай бұрын
Order of A Dragon
@NahThisIsPatrick
10 ай бұрын
drongos video gave me ADHD, barely showing tooltips and always having some silly example that everyone couldve pictured by showing the tooltip.. thanks beasty
@giovanemachado8339
10 ай бұрын
medieval protoss
@cannibrel
10 ай бұрын
YAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@DeathstarsEG
10 ай бұрын
do the man at arms have the mace upgrade?!?
@traductus3337
10 ай бұрын
Simple Question: Why should i ever play the original HRE, if there is this now?
@ethanwolfe1980
10 ай бұрын
Seems like original HRE might still be better boom civ with Aachen and more units means more coverage for your base defense
@traductus3337
10 ай бұрын
@@ethanwolfe1980 Im not even shure about that, the problem with prelates and the Aachen is, that you heavily bound to one location. Aachen will still be the best landmark in fudal, but regardles of that, it still has its down sides. If you runout of res under your aachen, then it almost has no worth any more and in addition, your spawn depended, your aachen not always covers all res. Gildes villagers on the other hand, are on default better, theres just a gather diffrenc of 15% compared to an inpired villager. But i dont need to be under the aachen or dont need to spend 100 gold for a preleat and this prelate again only can inspire 8 vils at max. I think this alone, will make gilded villagers much better then HRE. To top all things off. Gilded Villagers do 12 Damage. They do more damage then fudal MAA, they will be realy hard to raid.
@placas94
10 ай бұрын
That's illegal content
@amadeusbender3417
10 ай бұрын
Hahahaha don't be ridiculous 😂
@MassDonfel
10 ай бұрын
Protos :D
@Neluv
10 ай бұрын
The only thing I dislike about this addition is that I think, visually, battles will look a bit weird, at least I think so, we will see and I hope I'm wrong, but at the moment when you see two armies fighting it looks cool to see lots of units clashing. It will be weird to see so few units win against huge armies.
@calebtucker1609
8 ай бұрын
Ever see 300 lmao
@rel_9602
7 ай бұрын
No brainer civ.. made for people who aren’t be able to care about any counter. I got wrecked by spearmen against archers. Seriously?
@filip.a.
10 ай бұрын
you will either learn now or you will learn later the hard way hahaha
@co2bazillus420
10 ай бұрын
?
@joostopteynde4975
10 ай бұрын
+
@ermo-0983
10 ай бұрын
Order of Dragon will counter English
@Jaysus04
10 ай бұрын
So... that's it for OotD? They took the original civ, doubled the pop and res costs as well as stats for the same units, removed the prelate as a unique unit tbh and called it a day. I am disappointed. Especially when I compare that to the innovation and though that was invested into the other variants. HRE is supposed to be a religion centered civ, but other civs that are not have so much better and more interesting relgious units or abilities. OotD is even less focussed on religion, but also has the relic boni. Considering the slower eco growth and the lack of being able to build prelates in feudal already while there are now also Derwish monks on a fucking camel, I don't really see OotD getting a lot of relics in general. There is a whole civ bonus centered around relics and OotD has almost zero advantages of getting them. They even lost marching drills, which is probably one of the biggest problems. Not even inspired warriors was improved in any way, it still has the same shitty mechanic, but now also without marching drills. It's probably still better for OotD than for HRE, but fuck me.. The shit needs even to be researched and is not baseline once you hit age III. Not even when going Regnitz, which will probably be the ignored landmark now together with Aachen. It feels like they took HRE and turned its issues around with OotD. Strong units, worse eco, worse chances of getting relics and no early prelate to heal damaged units. They do not even get an improved healing ability, which would make total sense for a 2 pop per unit army. Healing will take forfuckingever. I don't know, but I feel like Relic does not fucking know what to do with HRE. They show the least level of innovation for this civ and its variant. I am actually disappointed. And once again there seem to be HRE/OotD specific bugs: No shooting animation for handcannons and archers lose .5 range in imperial. I am still annoyed by all the inspiration bugs and the brace bug back in the day. I just hope that this stuff gets fixed quickly. At best when the DLC is fully released.
@danhobart4009
10 ай бұрын
You lost ww2, get over it.
@thesqartenprogram
9 ай бұрын
same I was hoping for like a order of knights like templars or something, this is pretty lame tbh I think Ill stick with HRE. Also loosing those upgrades for the maa really hurts and I don't think the new upgrades make up for it.
@dreaming_gladchenko
10 ай бұрын
Hail W3 players with draw back units to heal )
@cdgncgn
10 ай бұрын
where is the creep to heal on, blessed ground.
@Mindfreakypinky
10 ай бұрын
THIS CLAPPING IS DISRESPECTING XDDDDDD
@Haxcalibur
10 ай бұрын
So basically the only counter to this civ is to fully lose initiative and let it dictate the game, sounds amazingly unfun to play against.
@Arnazisti
10 ай бұрын
sounds to me like you could hit multiple points and they wont have enough men to cover everything
@Haxcalibur
10 ай бұрын
@@Arnazisti yes then they slaug hter your army and counterpush you into oblivion, landmark sniping you within 18 seconds with 4 knights
@Arnazisti
10 ай бұрын
@@Haxcalibur those 4 knights cost 800 food lol and countered by a bunch of spears
@user-kh6rg7lv4x
10 ай бұрын
This is the faction that needs to be nerfed! thanks for the review! what were the developers thinking?! It’s stupid to double the unit’s parameters without increasing it. knights are almost like elephants in terms of stats. Yes, in a team match, if you let the order eat itself, it will simply demolish everything on its own. The Order of the Dragon needs to be weakened and worked normally!
@matthiasdecker6877
10 ай бұрын
In terms of this dlc it’s not that crazy, zhuxi legacy’s imperial guard and Byzantine cataphract have similar stats
@cdgncgn
10 ай бұрын
units cost 2x pop.
@user-kh6rg7lv4x
10 ай бұрын
Is it possible that according to the video, the spearman of the 2nd population seemed to be worth it, and so were the others, or did I just not look carefully? I’ll see how the Order of the Dragon will show itself on the 14th in a network game, and what they will add and change to the classic factions. I could still understand if a faction stood out with one strengthening, but strengthening everything at once, except for the draft and ships....@@cdgncgn
@bademusoctavianjuvenal2702
10 ай бұрын
@@user-kh6rg7lv4xs really simple: u let ootd unharrassed, you lose, you scout and make hard counters as well as trying to kill many vills? U win.
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