If you want a written summary of each of these squad organizations, check the link in the description for the companion article to this video! Also, here are the time stamps for each of the years covered if you are looking for just one of them: 0:41 - 1918 (WW1) 1:36 - 1920 (Interwar) 2:04 - 1927 (Interwar) 2:15 - 1938 (Interwar) 3:19 - 1942 (WW2) 4:02 - 1943 (WW2) 4:15 - 1944 (WW2) 4:44 - 1945 (WW2) 5:47 - 1948 (Cold War) 6:30 - 1950 (Korean War) 6:55 - 1952 (Korean War) 7:27 - 1956 (Cold War) 8:25 - 1960 (Cold War) 8:52 - 1963 (Vietnam War) 10:01 - 1967 (Vietnam War) 10:29 - 1970 (Vietnam War) 10:49 - 1975 (Cold War) 11:24 - 1984 (Cold War) 12:00 - 1986 (Cold War) 12:12 - 1992 (Post-Cold War) 12:18 - 2007 (GWOT) 12:36 - 2016 (GWOT)
@dmoorePTman
4 жыл бұрын
Question for you. ....Did the modern army not abolish the spec4f rank and now is just secialist (SPC)? I think all the other specialist ranks E5 and above no longer exist!
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
@@dmoorePTman Yes you are correct. After 1985 Spec4 just became Specialist
@cashcleaner
3 жыл бұрын
I have a question that’s of a theoretical nature. What do you believe the evolution of the infantry squad would look like? Looking a few decades in the future with new weapon systems, communication systems, a possibly more efficient supply chains, do you predict any substantial changes to unit size and organization? I ask because I like to play tabletop war games and I notice many games really limit players in terms of weapon options and usage. For example, it’s very common to have a series of 5 or 6-man teams fielded with only one special weapon operator included. That seems like a poorly-equipped unit, in my opinion, but I wonder if it could explained adequately?
@FirstDagger
3 жыл бұрын
@@BattleOrder ; You should put the timestamp into the description also, as KZitem will create timeline/bar stamps / chapters out of them.
@samsavage3426
2 жыл бұрын
The stripe is called a chevron
@stephenduffy5406
4 жыл бұрын
According to the official Army documentary “Kelly’s Heroes “ , the 1944 squad consisted of ten Thompson SMGs and one M1919. M1911s were also issued to everyone.
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
Every American war movie just wishes we had Soviet levels of submachine guns
@TedBronson1918
4 жыл бұрын
It was wartime. "Issuing" wasn't necessary. It wasn't hard to pick up a dead man's weapon and keep it. Who was going to complain about having too much firepower ?
@The_Crimson_Fucker
4 жыл бұрын
I know this is a joke...but let me be autistic here for a second: 1: There's _one_ rifle in that unit, what are you talking about? 2: It's an almost entirely off-the-books operation. 3: All of their weapons were acquired through "unofficial requisitioning". 4: You forgot the 2 BARs. 5: You forgot Oddball's entire unit including: - Custom Engines and transmission boxes on their M4s. - 76mm guns on Small turret M4s. - Custom barrel shrouds to make the guns look bigger. - Paint ammunition. - Dat Boombox The entire point of that entire cadre is that absolutely nothing is standard there and the "heroes" is sarcastic.
@JakeHammerHTX
3 жыл бұрын
@@The_Crimson_Fucker Oddballs outfit was also equipped with time travel equipment to go forward in time and obtain records of a song that was produced 15 years after the war ended, ya know incase the Germans threatened Paris or even New York they could move in, and stop them.
@The_Crimson_Fucker
3 жыл бұрын
@@JakeHammerHTX I mean, Oddball's entire outfit was straight from the '60s.
@johnharwick1330
4 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was in the army (1952-1954) and when I saw pictures of his rank, I saw the 3 chevrons over 1 rocker and assumed he was a staff sergeant even though he always said he never remembered being promoted to that rank. Thanks for clearing the brief rank change up, I couldnt find this information anywhere on the internet.
@mikebrase5161
4 жыл бұрын
As an Infantry Squad Leader in Iraq in 04-05 my squad weapons consisted of 1 M-14, 2 M-203, 2 M-249 Short barrel, 4 M-4's, 1 Mossberg 500 with dual pistol grip, 1 M-9 and my "Unofficial" Browning Hi-Power I traded an Iraq Police chief with for some unaccounted for smoke grenades. When we left Theatre I was down to 5 men. Me the Squad Leader with the M-14, 2 SAWS and 2 Grenadiers. My 1114 Up armored Hummer had a .50 mounted so one of my SAW Gunners was also the .50 gunner with the saw on a side mount in case the .50 went down. So boots on ground my Squad was a fire team by the end.
@stephenbritton9297
4 жыл бұрын
What did you think of the M-14 compared to the M-4? I worked on a Navy chartered container ship in 03-04, and we had a small armory; M-14, M-9 and the Mossberg. Really enjoyed shooting the M-14 in qualifying, but thats a WHOLE different world than taking it on patrol in combat...
@mikebrase5161
4 жыл бұрын
@@stephenbritton9297 I liked the M-14 for longer range work and stopping cars. I got a Bronze Star w/ V and an ARCOM w/ V due to what I was able to do with the M-14. For Combat Shotguns I prefer anything over the Mossberg I had a failure in Iraq that required armorer level to unfuck.
@hoppes9658
4 жыл бұрын
Mike Brase We used the A1 and when I see the m4 with the scope and other attachments I keep thinking of getting snagged up in the pucker brush and vines. Can you strip them down in case we end up in say the Philippines?
@mikebrase5161
4 жыл бұрын
@@hoppes9658 you can configure them however you like with the modular rail system. The rails have helped take lethality to a whole nother level. IR lasers, IR floodlights, flashlights etc. Can all be mounted or demounted to fit the mission/ environment.
@hoppes9658
4 жыл бұрын
Reid Parker No. You dig a hole to sleep in. Before that you set trip wire for flares and wire up your claymores on any trail or area that comes close to your spot.
@rompryan7867
2 жыл бұрын
When I deployed to Afghanistan in 2014, my squad consisted of a squad leader, two team leaders with the M320, one SAW gunner, and three riflemen. Our platoon medic was part of our squad for accountability reasons but would be on our platoon sergeant's hip if we took contact. I was in a light Cav squadron but even so, the squads in the regular infantry battalions were more or less in the same shape my squad was. Makes me believe that the Army should increase squad size to account for manpower shortages but my opinion ain't worth much to generals.
@OrDuneStudios
2 жыл бұрын
Mate aussie squads number 8 led by an E4. Quit your bitching.
@floydvaughn836
2 жыл бұрын
To increase unit size, you must recruit more folks overall. Or get ready to disappoint a lot of folks who joined up to be veterinarians, or chopper mechanics, etc. The best squad size is 12. SL, AR, GRN, and 3 riflemen. ASL, etc. ,1 rifle is RTO in fire team 1. ASL is RTO in fire team 2. This gives each fire team base of fire plus a significant maneuver element. But the best is the enemy of the good enough. Hell, everybody rides now, in their own mini tank anyhow. Except for Airborne, are there any light units left? Rangers are Airborne, so I just lumped them in.
@gilevi
4 жыл бұрын
Love how u mentioned lower ranks filling in for tl and sl. Also like how u mentioned the jr guy tends to get the saw, rather then the sr spc that doctrine says. When i was sl in a line squad i always gave the saw to one of the jr guys. Id rather the sr spc have the GL. The reason was he was next up for TL and tendes to be acting tl, and i didnt want him encumbered by a SAW or have to trade it off. Also he had put in his time and deserved to carry something a bit lighter. The 40mm is also a bit more tricky to utilize properly and could be more dangerous to friendly troops and civis, so id rather a guy with more seniority do that role. Its funny how in the infantry majority of leaders go against official doctrine and mtoe when it comes to stuff like this. Besides the example i gave above, another perfect one is that i have been a weapons squad leader for a while, and my SR guys are Assistant gunners rather then the doctrinally correct gunner. For many many reasons. And pretty much ever WSL i have ever meet that is at least half way decent runs it that way.
@mikebrase5161
4 жыл бұрын
^^ I was a rifle squad leader in Iraq 100% agree to all. 5th principle of patrolling.
@notaspy1227
4 жыл бұрын
My platoon sergeant was weird, he made me a SAW gunner as a specialist... Oh wait he just didn't like me.
@coreymorrow332
4 жыл бұрын
Best reasoning I ever heard and applied was if you’re in buddy teams the tl should be with the SAW so you’ve got most experience with least experience plus control of highest casualty producing weapon, and next most experienced guy buddied with other as rifle/grn for same reasons you posted.
@coreymorrow332
3 жыл бұрын
@CodingCrusader1095 ? ok tell me exactly where you got the idea that SAWs "receive the highest concentration of fire."
@harrymallory7963
3 жыл бұрын
How Ive observed that works is the Specialist figures he's got seniority and he's buddies with the Sqd Ldr, so guess who gets stuck with the SAW?
@robbiekipping1124
4 жыл бұрын
My service was with the 101st in vietnam in 1970. Our infantry platoons were variable but often composed of 5 five man squads. I was the medic attached to a heavy weapons platoon of 4 m60 machine guns. Thus the first squad of 5 consisted of an officer, a radio man, senior non com, medic and one infantry man. The officer was a lieutenant and the senior non com was a platoon Sargent. The other 4 squads consisted of one gunner and assistant gunner and 3 infantry men. The m16 was commonly carried. Some times one man in each squad carried the m79. Ranks varied from Sargent to corporal for the gunner. Every one else were pfcs or spec 4. New guys rarely came in at lesser rank. Dr. K
@vox1962
4 жыл бұрын
Around 2008 we had a squad designated marksmen, usually a PFC or SPC with a m16a4 and later, a repurposed M14
@mikebrase5161
4 жыл бұрын
I carried an M-14 in Iraq 04-05 they had been drill rifles for some ROTC unit. When my DM got hit and evac'd to Germany I took his rifle, even though I was a Squad Leader. I was 33 so I was always the trail vehicle and used the 14 on more than one occasion to stop a car ignoring the big fucking machine gun atop my 1114. The M-14 is the weapon system I credit with being responsible for my Bronze Star with V/ Device that and the M-118 ammo I got from the sniper section.
@SOS-School_Of_Survival
4 жыл бұрын
M14 best rifle ever
@fathead8933
2 жыл бұрын
I carried a Winchester M14. I knew through history that I was holding the rifle my grandfather used in basic, and kinda relished that moment. I did stuff to the rifle that would make people throw up nowadays. I used the barrel mount for an M4 to mount a Paq4 to the barrel definitely destroying the harmonics. Looking back it was the cool guy weapon over there. In order to get it, you had to know you're fecal matter. Kirkuk 04-05
@chrisblack6258
Жыл бұрын
The m16a4 might actually be an SDM-R instead of the normal A4
@rooster-zg4oo
3 жыл бұрын
im glad you mentioned putting privates as saw gunners. they give it too the new guy because it sucks the worst to carry. 1200 rounds, plus the machine gun and your own barrel bag. 240 gunners got ammo bearers and people to carry barrels. i carried a saw for 2 years before becoming grenadier then team leader.
@Gepedrglass
4 жыл бұрын
Why did grenadiers in Vietnam only carry an m79 and a pistol? I'd figure they'd issue an m1 - m2 carbine or something that was more powerful than a pistol. Just curious.
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
The M79 was considered their primary weapon. At this point, the pistol had come back into vogue replacing the Carbine as the PDW of weapons crews. Between the 30-40 grenades they carried and the rifle sized weapon there wasn’t much room for rifle in addition (at least officially)
@notbot8830
4 жыл бұрын
Battle Order a little old west in the Far East
@MrSheckstr
3 жыл бұрын
See I was was thinking M3 grease guns.... but perhaps not... There is a good reason why NOT to issue them anything more than a pistol (whether you are talking about the carbine or the grease gun, or for that matter any other long arm) actually several reasons 1 The M79 is heavy, the ammunition is heavy. The M1 is heavy the ammunition is heavy 2 every tried carrying 2 long weapons? Switching between them in combat is going to be tedious and awkward. Find a place to put the weapon you are not using is going to be difficult
@terryv
3 жыл бұрын
One word: WEIGHT.
@MaxwellAerialPhotography
2 жыл бұрын
Logistics: it would have been a problem supplying ammo for a weapon that only 3 men in a rifle platoon carried. And by the late 60’s the carbines were surplussed out of service because they were worn out pieces of shit by that point.
@reelrook3044
4 жыл бұрын
I was in the Army from 1990-1994, and our Team Leaders doubled as our Grenadiers. The reasoning behind this was that they could direct fire with Grenades. I was a primarily a SAW Gunner, but I was also an RTO for two years and I was a qualified Dragon Gunner, even though I was lucky enough to never have to fill that role.
@LRRPFco52
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I would point out that we got M4 Carbines (along with the M240) in 1997-1998 timeframe in the Light Infantry Divisions (25th ID and 10th MTN), 82nd Airborne, and 101st Airmobile. We got M4 carbines in my 3rd Scout Platoon in 25th ID around September-October of 1997. Ranger Regiment already got M4A1s in 1994.
@AndrewL123
4 жыл бұрын
Just a little thing, but we usually gave the rifleman in our fire team an acog 4x optic so they could fill the role as a designated marksman. But dude to shortages, sometimes they'd make due with a m68 instead.
@ShaDOWDoG667
4 жыл бұрын
Music is giving me flashbacks.
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
Medal of Honor was the bee's knees
@Delgen1951
4 жыл бұрын
@@BattleOrder That is were I hear that. Could not remember.
@2011Oly
4 жыл бұрын
“Army gets new stuff and we get shit my grandfather used.”
@milmex317th
4 жыл бұрын
I trained in mid 80s with royal Engineers at camp Patawawa, I was with 1st Engineer Big Red One. Yes we shot your. 30 caliber Machine gun it was our ww2 weapon,. So I hear ya.
@Paladin1873
3 жыл бұрын
You sound like a Marine.
@suspicioususer
3 жыл бұрын
Yet the marines got the m16a2 first, as well as the m32, SMAW, and M27
@flight2k5
3 жыл бұрын
The myth of the marines
@floydvaughn836
2 жыл бұрын
@@suspicioususer that line is from The Pacific. And on Guadalcanal it was true. The Marines there were still using 03 rifles. The Army adopted Garands in 1938, so... The Marines also were short on Thompson SMGs. They used Reisings.
@slavvodkaman9359
4 жыл бұрын
This channel should be have more Subscriber because THIS IS AWESOME HE EXPLAINING WITH DETAIL INFORMATION!!!!
@kennetth1389
4 жыл бұрын
Really cool. Would it be possible do give the 12B's a treatment? We cold war engineers would appreciate it. How many 203 gunners out there? Both 11B & 12B.
@carlhicksjr8401
4 жыл бұрын
Good vid. Simple, clear, and with enough allowance for the various preferences and vagaries inherent in the infantry. I also want to commend the narrator. Clearly he's younger than me [I'm in my mid-50's] and avoids the casual 'bro' speech patterns ['Hey dudes, whut is uuup?...']. Your speech style is that of an instructor and it lends your video an air more of a teaching tool and less of a bar room conversation. There is a time and place for both styles, but 'teacher style' fits the purpose of this video.
@JackAkaJCK
2 жыл бұрын
I'm writing a book about a squad in Vietnam and this helped me extremely well Thx
@johnstacy7902
4 жыл бұрын
when I was in the Nasty Guard we had a M60 in each squad instead of the SAW
@noodles5438
4 жыл бұрын
Great video Where would SMGs be in a squad. I thought it was 2 Thompson per squad used by NCO.
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
Generally speaking for regular infantry, submarine guns were issued unofficially. After June 1944 each rifle company had 6 they could distribute, but there would be nothing to stop some soldiers from trading a few drivers in another unit to get their issued Thompsons
@JonathanJonoMiller
4 жыл бұрын
Is Thompson issue to NCO/CO only or sometimes their N/CO gave it to their rifleman as submachinegunner like Airborne sometime?
@JonathanJonoMiller
4 жыл бұрын
Oh and how many Thompson for each squad if they want to have it into their squad?
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
@@JonathanJonoMiller Airborne were a bit of a different story. By late in the war, Airborne and Standard Rifle Companies had 6 submachine guns in reserve technically, but Airborne units got a lot more unofficially due to their special mission. Six submachine guns would be enough to give 6 out of 9 rifle squads in the company a submachine gun, so with the official allotment not every squad would be able to be armed with even one submachine gun. Who got them was at the company leadership's discretion. However, that doesn't include any unofficial procurement. For example, if a rifle company wanted to trade something with a vehicular unit (all vehicle drivers and tank crewmen were allotted a submachine gun) then they could theoretically have more
@gilevi
4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the evaluation of the rifle platoon next please
@santiago4120
4 жыл бұрын
“Privates first class” is the proper way to say it.
@12DisturbedGuy93
4 жыл бұрын
Dogs of War in the background, one of, if not my favorite orchestral piece ever. MOH fans remember
@michaelkoerner4578
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I heard that MP squads have more firepower than their infantry counterparts, didn't realize how true it was.
@jamesscott2894
Жыл бұрын
How is the MP Squad/Platoon organized? Where does the extra firepower come from?
@iancollins4380
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't even have to look at the video description to recognize the European Assault music. Nostalgia hit me really hard.
@RailfanDownunder
4 жыл бұрын
So very interesting.... thanks for educating me - such a contrast to the organisation of a Rifle or Cavalry Assault Section in the Australian Army during my time in uniform 1975-1985
@johnnieburnett9249
Жыл бұрын
2016 the shotgun mounted to m4 for breaching was introduced,like this thank you.
@akmemeopsyt8483
2 жыл бұрын
Its insane ww1 started 100+ years ago
@ducksrgud
4 жыл бұрын
This was really interesting! Thank you!
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@scottjoseph9578
10 ай бұрын
Each squad was also issued one "Mr. Warmth," for immediate morale improvement, according to Kelly's Heroes.
@Beoulve95
2 жыл бұрын
13:49 "This M249 is heavy and jams every 5 shots. Man, it really sucks... make the new guy carry it!"
@isaachousley325
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, its simply laziness on the rest of tge squad to give it to the new private. The 249 provides the majority of the squads suppressive and defense fire power, and is more complicated than the basic rifle. Combin that with most of them needing an adept hand because it should have had a depot level rebuild over a decade ago, and it just becomes idiocy to give it to the new guy.
@southernknight9983
4 жыл бұрын
Wow! The ranking system makes no sense these days. A sergeant used to be the Platoon Leader's assistant. Squad Leaders were corporals and riflemen were privates. A Staff Sergeant as a Squad Leader makes no sense. Those stripes need to be earned, not given away. Godspeed!
@nutyyyy
2 жыл бұрын
That’s how it is for most armies honestly. The US has a huge rank inflation. I can understand the rationale behind raising it during WW2 but seems to just be a holdover from there.
@username_3715
Жыл бұрын
It's to increase pay for morale and retention. Marines have E6 platoon sergeants, E4/E5 squad leaders and they have trash retention and morale.
@holymosey2556
2 жыл бұрын
Yo you got that medal of honor music in the beginning...ugh it's so good!
@alancranford3398
4 жыл бұрын
The WW2 Army rifle squad was based on the French rifle squad with a fire element (the BAR team) and a maneuver element (riflemen). The 1944 Marine rifle squad was three elements that were combined fire and maneuver elements. Eventually the Army adopted the Marine combined fire and maneuver elements but only two fire teams per squad. The Marines did go to two fire teams during the 1980's but returned to three fire teams per squad. The Army was more mechanized and its squad carriers were a factor limiting squad size--the Bradly IFV originally had a six-Soldier dismount squad. www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=5 Vehicle capacity limited Army squads. Marine Corps rifle squads were more often foot mobile and not vehicle mounted. As noted, Army rifle squads went into combat understrength, which can compromise the fire team system when the squad is only at 70% strength. Not only did battlefield casualties reduce front-line strength but non-battle injuries, illness, administrative attrition (didn't prioritize keeping the squad at full strength, diverting personnel to support and service functions) usually meant that squads would not fill out their TO&E. Army operations were more often sustained combat and the Army rifle squad often began with less than full squads. Marine operations generally permitted having full rifle squads at the beginning of an operation and the shorter, more intense combat operations of the Pacific Theater permitted this--with longer periods between operations to replace missing Marines. Priority for manpower usually meant that fewer riflemen would be in understrength squads--and if there was only one Soldier per squad, that would most likely be the designated squad leader, followed by the automatic rifleman (or SAW gunner). Rifle squads don't exist in a vacuum and when there's not enough Soldiers to fully staff a squad, the most important positions get filled first. When rifle squads are too understrength the practice is to combine underfed rifle squads into a single, better-staffed squad--that level may be a three-Soldier squad but typically if a squad is smaller than a fire team, it will be merged with another understaffed squad in the same platoon. Keeping the 9 rifle squads in a rifle company up to strength is difficult enough in garrison. Pulling "support troops" from the rifle company (company clerks and bakers and even radio operators) mean that there's nobody left in the company to bring rifle squads up to full strength--but despite consolidating administrative personnel at battalion the companies still have a lot of support and service functions that they have to perform on their own. Using civilian contractors for logistics operations (a return to the past--why use trained soldiers for supply operations?) and automation help--until the unit goes into combat and the logistics tail gets left behind. The day-to-day life of Soldiers makes the tables of organization more Fantasy Island than reality. And then there's the organic fire team organization versus putting a squad on a defensive perimeter and then tasking that squad to cough up a scouting patrol. The perimeter is organized on a fire team basis, placing every key weapon on the perimeter. Now take 50% of your squad to pull a foot patrol out five kilometers (to the horizon on flat terrain)--do you leave behind most of the firepower and keep the perimeter intact or do you maintain unit integrity and send an entire fire team out, leaving a gap in your perimeter? Do you instead do a Hey You mob (cobble together a patrol using personnel from each fire team) instead of using a fire team that has worked together as a unit? The squad began the 20th Century as an administrative unit for messing, billeting and other duties--the First World War made the rifle squad a tactical unit and this is reflected by the First World War rifle squad versus the rifle squads of World War Two. The Great War rifle platoon had several specialty squads. By 1944 the US Army rifle platoon consisted of a platoon headquarters and three rifle squads and all squads were, on paper, equal. Every solution produces new problems.
@shootinbruin3614
2 жыл бұрын
7:05 Could the Army's reversal in its opinion regarding how many men a squad leader could effectively control come from the likelihood that they had more experienced NCOs during the Korean War vs during WWII?
@DonMeaker
Жыл бұрын
Truman was very unfair to the men who had already served in WWII, but knew that experienced leadership would save lives. So the old guys were drafted again, and Korean war casualties were lower than those in Vietnam under the Whiz Kids.
@SandMDOTCOM1
4 жыл бұрын
Funny, I have been in the USMC and the army infantry for a total of 21 years...and I did not know this history. Thank you!
@alfasierra254
4 жыл бұрын
Man... I still remember waking up in the middle of the night to re-clean and lube my 249. That thing would not run magazines reliably but ate those belts like a hungry hog!
@maxtongilbert1114
2 жыл бұрын
Optics I think are a huge upgrade also
@darthkillhoon
3 жыл бұрын
Modern squads also normally also have an RTO and two backup riflemen in the squad leader team
@joshuathomas8529
4 жыл бұрын
I was in the army when we transition away frome the M203 to the M320. The m320 is grait when in its independent mode sucks when attached to the M4. Most of us the knew better whished they had just stuck to the M203.
@AUGUSTOOCTAVIO1
2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos! They are really good for understand this complex topics!
@dernwine
4 жыл бұрын
Will you do these for other armies? I'd love to see the evolution of the British Infantry Section.
@Damo2690
3 жыл бұрын
Well section Leaders are Corporals in the British Army. I always find it mad, the amount of rank inflation that has occurred in the US
@nutyyyy
2 жыл бұрын
@@Damo2690 Yes it is strange especially considering in practice more junior ranks fill these roles anyway.
@TheWebclaw
2 жыл бұрын
@@Damo2690 Can say that again! Always awkward when doing exercises with the US/Canada army due to how their ranks are so mismatched but have the same names as Brit/Aus/NZ armies. Seeing someone think a platoon sergeant is 'just' a fireteam leader is always awkward.
@ryankuniyoshi96825
3 жыл бұрын
My vision of a future US army rifle squad 2020 through 2025. Sig wins a big military contract for replacing current gen weapons. The Squad leader would have the Sig MCX Virtus 5.56 carbine, 5 other riflemen would have the Sig MCX SPEAR rifle, 2 guys would have the Sig MG 6.8, last man in the squad will have the H&K M110A1 SDMR.
@Year_of_the_Dell
2 жыл бұрын
Heh well i have some news....
@cavscout7113
Жыл бұрын
Great vid, thank you. love your work!
@nigelwoo4815
3 жыл бұрын
thanks for the very good content and effort you put into the channel. I'm sure you'll have 100k followers soon, screencap this
@pacifiquebusiness
7 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏🫡🇺🇸
@Paladin1873
3 жыл бұрын
I can't comment on current organization and tactics, but when I worked with the Air Force Security Police Air Base Ground Defense training program back in the 1980s they had patterned their squads after Marine units. As I recall, each flight (platoon) was composed of at least three 12-man or 13-man squads which were broken down into three fire teams. In addition to the squad leader, we had two or three team leaders armed with M16s. Each team leader controlled a rifleman (M16), grenadier (M16/203) and a M60 gunner. This heavy arrangement gave each squad more reach and firepower than a typical Army infantry squad of that time. Our emphasis was on defense more than offense, and since our forces did not have to do extended long range patrolling, it may have been a more practical arrangement for us.
@MightyTiki
4 жыл бұрын
13:12 The Specialist 4 (SP4) has not existed since 1985 when it was transitioned and phased out of the Army to Specialist (SPC).
@dexm2010
3 жыл бұрын
The term Spec-4 was still thrown around constantly from 2000-2008...not sure about now.
@MightyTiki
Жыл бұрын
@@dexm2010The fuck?
@MightyTiki
14 күн бұрын
@@dexm2010 I was in the Regular Army 2000-2010 and never heard the term used.
@danielgreen6547
7 күн бұрын
@@MightyTiki What was your MOS? Mine was 11B.
@dougmoore5252
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you , very interesting and appreciated!
@coldwarrior78
Жыл бұрын
FWIW, In 1976, my infantry platoon in A Co, 1/4 Inf had three 11 man squads, at full strength, which was almost never. At Platoon level, I had one 76mm recoilless rifle for AT and one M60 for fire support. We were told we would never be too far from our tracks so the real firepower came from the .50 cals.
@helium-379
2 жыл бұрын
War aways changes. The organizations and the structures of groups change. Weapons and equipment change. The reason people fight change. Nothing is ever the same ever again. No ammount of recreation will the same as the orriginal, but it can be more efficient and more than its past.
@harrymallory7963
3 жыл бұрын
Love this. Very well done. I subscribed immediately and am looking forward to more.
@darinautrey5412
2 жыл бұрын
GREAT Video - it would be very interesting to add to each of these doctrine squads the rounds per minute of sustained fire and time until all ammo spent...
@Welkon1
4 жыл бұрын
What about the Thompson, M1A1, or even the .30 caliber
@matthewjones39
2 жыл бұрын
The .30 cal is a HMG.
@Welkon1
2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewjones39 HMG's are typically machineguns that can't be carried, the .30 cal was carried, and is therefore considered a medium machinegun.
@matthewjones39
2 жыл бұрын
@@Welkon1 And not every squad carry’s an MMG.
@nicholasgallo3599
5 ай бұрын
You made a mistake with the U.S. Squad in WW2 which is that the squad leaders would often use the M1A1 Thompson SMG
@joelrunyan1608
2 жыл бұрын
If the army wants to retain people? Bring back the 1950s rank structure.. E6 fire team leader? E7 squad leaders. Hell yeah!
@obiwankenobi4252
3 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or the 1975-1984 Squad organisation is just visually appealing?
@ronaldwhite1730
2 жыл бұрын
thank you . ( 2022 / July / 30 )
@СумеречныйхранительНавсегда
4 жыл бұрын
Great Video
@CoffeeFiend1
Жыл бұрын
Always thought the early Vietnam era of the grenadier using a single-shot grenade launcher and having a pistol for personal protection was pretty mad.
@jroynonfisher
4 жыл бұрын
You missed that the modern Squad (since 90’s I think) has had a MG, AG, and RTO with the SL.
@kerbalaerospacelabs3445
4 жыл бұрын
He did. He also missed that each fireteam can be augmented to no more than 6 men per team.
@username_3715
Жыл бұрын
No they don't but you can attach them from weapons squad.
@isaachousley325
Жыл бұрын
@username_371 yep. Sounds like his experience is based upon the units being habitually understrength leading to the canabilation of the 3rd squad and the wpns squad. Or it could be he was in an mech inf unit that was clinging to old doctrine, as 80s mech inf doctrine provided an MMG to each rifle squad if the unit was still fielding m113s.
@Pistachio-db7co
3 жыл бұрын
Can I request you to make some videos about South Korean Mechanized Infantry Squad? Those military are the unique one which still keep the Cold-War style massive ground forces even in 21C
@kolinmartz
4 жыл бұрын
One of the biggest reasons they cited as to why they decreased the size of the squad was the fact that 12 people is harder to control by conscripted NCOs and replacement conscripts will find it easier to integrate with a smaller squad. However we haven’t had conscripts since 1973, 47 years ago. They also made the incorrect assumption they’ve always made that “weapons development will increase individual firepower and compensate for the lack of firepower in the squad.” Like when they took out the BAR when the M1 was adopted. And even if this is a correct assumption, those improvements are also true for the adversaries of the US, thus negating that advantage and presenting a new disadvantage of having less firepower and personnel in the squad level and making them more susceptible to attrition.
@edwardgilmour9013
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting ~! I always wondered how the USA & USMC Squad Structures compared to an Australian (Section) or the British system. Interesting that your US Squads are led by Sgt & SSgt But ours are lead by Cpl. With a LCpl in charge of the one AR (It has probably changed since I left) I like the two fire team system with both AR & Grenade launcher options.
@LRRPFco52
4 жыл бұрын
Australian and British Light Infantry cultures are some of the best in the world. Same with Canadians, Danes, Norwegians, and Germans. The British Infantry Center produces high quality infantrymen. My Long Range Surveillance unit was heavily influenced by the proven concepts and techniques that were fundamental in the UK Recon community. We sent a lot of guys to the Brecon Beacons for Cambrian Patrol, as well as to ILRRPS in Germany where all the cadre are senior NATO Special Operations and LRRP soldiers with combined experience you would never find anywhere else in the world. The US Army has a difficult task of training much large groups of Infantrymen, but has doubled the length of Infantry OSUT within the past several years and revamped the whole program. I went through OSUT in early 1994 for 13 weeks. Most of the training was on-the-job which can be great in a unit with excellent leadership, and totally unsat in a unit with risk-averse garritroopers.
@mariag2563
3 жыл бұрын
The US military has more enlisted ranks than the UK/Australian militaries. A sergeant in the British Army and Royal Marines is equivalent to a Sergeant First Class in the US Army and Staff Sergeant in the USMC, they're usually platoon sergeants, at least as far as 'line' infantry units go. More specialised/elite units might have a sergeant in charge of a smaller unit, like a recce team. It takes about 10-15 years to reach sergeant in the British Army and Royal Marines so they're usually in their 30s and even 40s now, as promotion is slow. There are not many SNCO slots.
@blackops7psn
4 ай бұрын
Do the Marines next! Errah!
@rjthekidgaming2024
2 жыл бұрын
Squad leaders, team leaders, and saw gunners are equipped with sidearms.
@matthewjones39
2 жыл бұрын
They can carry sidearms, but they usually don’t. It’s their choice.
@davidb9323
7 ай бұрын
Still waiting for my A1
@CB-vt3mx
4 жыл бұрын
I had an M249 SAW as a PFC in 1987. From 87 to 01 I was never in a unit waiting for fielding of M249s.
@miguelprima5937
3 жыл бұрын
i recognized the TSFH bgm :D
@timmyv930
3 жыл бұрын
This is a great video just one nit picky thing, its Privates First Class or Specialists 4 not Private First Classes or Specialist 4s.
@blue387
4 жыл бұрын
Do you plan to cover other armies in the future? How does the US rifle squad compare to foreign units such as British, Russian or Chinese PLA units?
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I think our next video is going to be on the British. We also have several British and Russian articles up on our website battleorder.org
@dudejo
4 жыл бұрын
I imagine the French army would work closest to the US Army. Although it's a section-sized element, it also has two team leaders under a single commander. 8-men sections like in Britain is what I'd like to know. I imagine the commander controls his own team while the 2IC's team works semi-independently with the overall section goal in mind.
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many bayonet training accidents happened? That guy leaning into the blade... haha.
@moremacsmedia8745
4 жыл бұрын
Very well made video i was wondering in WW1 how many men would have been armed with shotguns in a squad or even platoon?
@BattleOrder
4 жыл бұрын
We don't have a solid answer as of right now. They are not included in any of the regimental TO&Es of the time. As they were often commercially procured, they may have been regimental or divisional spares (as was the case during WWII for the Marine Corps) that were issued when needed for offensives or patrolling duties.
@moremacsmedia8745
4 жыл бұрын
@@BattleOrder The only source i was able to find is that there 50 of them in a division and given to scout platoons. Thanks for the reply.
@MaxwellAerialPhotography
4 жыл бұрын
Short answer: None Long answer: the use of shotguns by the Americans in the First World War is so exaggerated and over blown as to almost be a myth. Trench guns were typically only used on various forms of sentry duty and saw very limited use in offensive action. Shotgun ammo of the day was hideously unreliable in the wet conditions of trench warfare. The paper hulled shells would often swell in the chamber and mag tube, making cycling and feeding impossible. It actually wouldn’t be until the Second World War when brass hulls were issued that shotguns really gained a fearsome combat reputation. As for the Germans diplomatic protest that everyone makes a big deal out of, everyone protested everything. Earlier in the war the British had protested German sawback bayonets. It really was not a big deal.
@cro_vuk1162
4 жыл бұрын
Where's thompson and grease gun?
@noodles5438
4 жыл бұрын
Grease was used by Crews, Supplier, and tankers. A platoon would get six SMGs and the platoon would typically divide them by giving them to each of the 6 Squad NCOs.
@harshbansal7982
4 жыл бұрын
Very good video . Can you do this for the USMC as well ?
@MaxwellAerialPhotography
3 жыл бұрын
tldr; the army spent of the 50’s having a schizophrenic episode.
@dalesio02
6 ай бұрын
Well, one little mistake. The BAR gunner was promoted to corporal in late war. So the rank aint right for the period
@3lectric220
Жыл бұрын
What did regular privates do when the organization was PFC and above
@Narrowsplice
7 ай бұрын
Hi can you please do an army ordnance company , like an ordnance depot company or ordnance battalion
@chhoc
Жыл бұрын
nice video, but odd and distracting music. thanks for creating and sharing
@roguelead72
4 жыл бұрын
Forgot the track crews for M-113(there are still 113 based mechanized infantry units in the National Guard), and Bradley based Mechanized units.
@isaachousley325
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, im gonna call bull shit on that one bud. The singular m113 for the company 1st sgt doesn't count as "m113 based". Unless you can provide proof a NG unit that still uses m113s for the rifle squads, i will remain believing everything ive seen and herd that postulates that the M113 was removed from rifle squad use (in all facets of the army) almost 3 decades ago in the mid 1990s.
@bretdevildog1
25 күн бұрын
What I learned from this video is... The Marine Corps is a much BETTER organized organization and the Marines are always proving the Army wrong.
@itsatochophy7561
3 жыл бұрын
How about combat officers of different organizations
@RoryGuilesHoover
3 жыл бұрын
"Specialists armed with M249 SAWs although these would not be pravaliant until the early 1990s" Is that because the M16 HBAR was mostly issued as a stopgap measure?
@Galactipod
4 жыл бұрын
The plural form of Private First Class would be "Privates First Class," rather than "Private First Classes"
@blue387
Жыл бұрын
Hello, I noticed in your article on the US Army rifle company that the company headquarters had a dedicated bugler (private/PFC) as late as 1944-5. What was the purpose of the bugler and was it used in relaying orders in combat?
@BattleOrder
Жыл бұрын
They were meant to be an observer in company HQ observation/command posts and sometimes man a radio set on the company/battalion net
@Dra741
4 жыл бұрын
I was always intrigued by the rifle unit oh, it's our best fundamental way of keeping the enemy off of us rifle units and you heard
@MilBard
3 жыл бұрын
This was very nice on the line infantry squad, but the WW2 US Army Parachute, Ranger, Cavalry and Armored infantry squads varied a great deal from the line infantry squads. The Armored and later Mechanized infantry squads differed a great deal from the line infantry particularly in using Browning MMG (M1919A6) & M60 GPMG into the 1970's, if memory serves.
@BattleOrder
3 жыл бұрын
Ranger and Airborne squads had the M1919 in the squad during WW2. At the time, the armored infantry had no machine guns officially (except for the M1917A1 or M2 mounted on the half-track; the platoon had a dismounted M1919 squad) but they'd often unofficially equip a BAR. The automatic rifle situation of the Cold War kind of necessitated mechanized infantry to use the M60 at squad level in their 'tracks'.
@MaxwellAerialPhotography
4 жыл бұрын
**E4 mafia intensifies**
@kodykernan6917
2 жыл бұрын
Music from medal of honor European assault?
@00Athus1
3 жыл бұрын
I have a question, was there any point during the transition to the m14 that arms were mixed in with the weapons they were replacing? (Ie. M14s issued along side BARs and m1s)
@andrewschliewe6392
2 жыл бұрын
The M249 was the only squad automatic weapon I ever saw in 1986 in Germany.
@jackozbloke5079
4 жыл бұрын
where the hell as the JNCO gone in this... They've just dissapeared.
@TexasRambo
4 жыл бұрын
The background song reminds me of Medal of Honor lol 😂
@Sean-yj4wq
2 жыл бұрын
if the m4 replaced the m16a2, where was the m16a3 and a4 used?
@ryantaddy4143
3 жыл бұрын
I can vouch for the last comment about the m249 being issued to new privates. When I got to my first unit they immediately told me I would be taking the 249
@rustym.shackelford5546
3 жыл бұрын
Why couldn't the US adopt the FN D BAR variant? Just asking.
@foxhoundr3364
3 жыл бұрын
Can you please do the evolution of the Australian Infantry Section?
@LaMiltonTheHoodrat
3 жыл бұрын
Do one on an M109A6 section. I'm in a Paladin Battery
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