In my experience, transitioning away from stacked gen slowdown builds hardly ever results in survivors showing their appreciation. More than anything, in fact, it has resulted in more games where they are toxic sore winners due to the "funner" builds being significantly easier to beat.
@gungfry7728
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, just run whatever you want. No-ed wraiths and everything else are acceptable if the survivors are too entitled to actually have to think about killer perks.
@hotpotato6966
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly bro, it really unfun to run slowdown perks but loosing to toxic survivors because I ran a weaker "fun" build really annoys me. And especially at high lvl, the game is dictated by the lvl of the survivors that you're playing against sadly.
@user-hb2ws3pd2r
2 жыл бұрын
@@gungfry7728 I hate to be this guy but that hyphen between the noed was unnecessary
@grandaltis
2 жыл бұрын
@@user-hb2ws3pd2r w-d-y-m? hy-phens ar-e f-un!
@gungfry7728
2 жыл бұрын
@@user-hb2ws3pd2r I have been called out on my error, yet I will not edit my comment. It will stay there as a warning to others.
@alexflorek6527
2 жыл бұрын
Bhvr: Refuses to give Legion their well-desrved shotgun Otz: Fine then, I'll do it myself
@crispinotechgaming
Жыл бұрын
?
@alexflorek6527
Жыл бұрын
@@crispinotechgaming Bc he played deathslinger, a killer with a gun in legion-like fashion :D
@cyberpunk-2O77
Жыл бұрын
Alternative mori. Would've been gr8
@beniciounfiltered7861
6 ай бұрын
@@alexflorek6527 how does legion look like deathslinger? Just curious
@alexflorek6527
6 ай бұрын
@@beniciounfiltered7861 Otz was playing a hit and run slinger build, and even he said in the video he was gonna be somewhat of a legion with this. So its essentially Legion with a gun, making everyone mend, hit and running, but with a gun.
@AnnaDBDMobile
2 жыл бұрын
Survivors: Stop running 4 slow down perks Me: Runs a fun build and plays fairly Also me: Gets slapped Survivors: Lol baby killer (intense tbagging)
@norj2494
2 жыл бұрын
You mean intense shit community, if you are even able to call that toxic environment a community
@S4m4_
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah i can feel you... more over i got people who complains and trash talked me about why didn't given the hatch and "still try hard wen someone dc" they didn't answered but i asked people doesn't give me kills wen i lost miserably or get out played or any other situations... and ofc get t-bagged and trash talked in the end so why i should give anything i play killer no mother Teresa . bhvr should cut off the chat in my opinion
@scrapinator8898
2 жыл бұрын
@@S4m4_ your gammer is...
@RedBloodAura
2 жыл бұрын
@@scrapinator8898 I feel your pain, but it's "grammer".
@RedBloodAura
2 жыл бұрын
@@S4m4_ If they cut off chat, that would only solve the problem for pc
@androidsychoshocker
2 жыл бұрын
That first game with Trickster was a real showcase of just how strong Hex: Blood Favor can be if for some miracle it stays up for a decent amount of time.
@mcmlii.v
2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, Blood Favor just staying alive long enough for me to win a single chase makes it high-value. Similar to how Lethal Persuer's value stems from early game Hook states/pressure and near-instant chase.
@avlaenamnell6994
2 жыл бұрын
"if" hex are way too easy to shut down for me to ever consider using them
@androidsychoshocker
2 жыл бұрын
@@avlaenamnell6994 Yeah. It's sad that a good 5th of killer perks aren't really worth using unless you dedicate a whole build to it.
@JudojugsVtuber
2 жыл бұрын
@@androidsychoshocker i think hex builds could be fixed or made better if they made the killer 1:place their own hexes(also allow killers to see all totem auras including dulls) and 2. add another pentimento type hex that instead lets you rekindle existing dull/broken totems to bring back your hexes. This stops "instant cleanse" at the beginning of the game ensuring you are far more likely to get value. While also rewarding survivors for paying attention to where the killer goes. Also acts as a soft buff to stealth killers allowing them to more easily run hexes than others by hiding their hex locations.
@androidsychoshocker
2 жыл бұрын
@@JudojugsVtuber I wish they would do something. I get Hexes are strong but it's just not fun when you get to adequate survivors and they're gone on average the first 3 min.
@Crawlingify
2 жыл бұрын
I was that Feng in that Trickster Match! I remember being extremely confused how Otz knew i was behind that car waiting for him to leave. At least now I know how! GG!
@susiedeltarune19
Жыл бұрын
Screenshot or it doesn't count
@leadman7600
Жыл бұрын
@@susiedeltarune19what’s the point of lying about it if it isn’t true? Not like he gets the status of a king just because he played against otz and wanted to say GG, I among many others would say it to most people regardless of being a content creator or not
@tatershouse
Жыл бұрын
@@susiedeltarune19bruh how do you put a screenshot in a KZitem comment
@animalicon3535
Жыл бұрын
@@susiedeltarune19 I watched otz when he played dark souls 2 does that make me a liar? or I gotta prove it lmao dsnt matter what it is u ain't gotta do all that
@sewak7142
2 жыл бұрын
It's not right for killers to bring four slowdown perks but it's alright for survivors to bring 16 gen progress perks
@tiger_bouncie6888
2 жыл бұрын
Facts
@jqb169
2 жыл бұрын
i play solo. im always only one on gen. 90% gen, then 10%gen bcs jolt, pain res etc :) bring that against SWF, then it will be fair
@sewak7142
2 жыл бұрын
@@jqb169 bro gens fly fast , even if the survivor are in solo q . I don't blame them bringing heavy slwodown. Try playing a killer with heavy slowdown ( excelt nurse because she is just a cheat) and see if the game fly fast or not
@jqb169
2 жыл бұрын
@@sewak7142 i just say that my other 3 survs are hex: sit in corner so i just get mad when my gen always keeps regressing. If randoms would do gens instead of do nothing i will say that gens are too fast, but its like 7 out of 10 games i play 1v1v3 instead of 4v1
@sewak7142
2 жыл бұрын
@@jqb169 that becomes a myth after you started to reach gold rank it does not if your below that , people have this mind set that " oh every game all the other survivor are hugging conners and not doing gen when in reality it's just one survivor and the other three and doing gens like there life depends on it"
@mettsusharpclaw
2 жыл бұрын
I like how some people say though "Ewww 4 slow down" when I see survivors run a full gen rush build (Stake out, Hyperfocus, Bulit to Last, Provethyself, with a huge BNP Toolbox), honestly sometimes I feel like saying "Ewwww a bunch of gen perks or ewww a bunch of second chance perks", the double standard in dbd is huge.
@rolandocastro44
2 жыл бұрын
We run the counter build because we expect every killer to run the same 4 meta perks
@theslavicrat3784
2 жыл бұрын
@@rolandocastro44 And vice versa. Killers run 4 slowdown because of second chance perks and/or gen rush builds.
@avlaenamnell6994
2 жыл бұрын
remember killers arent people they are jsut a tool to give survivors fun, and if you break any of the survivors rules they will let you know.
@testing-gn8vj
2 жыл бұрын
@@theslavicrat3784 Gen Rush builds aren't anywhere near as common.
@MW3lfred
2 жыл бұрын
@@testing-gn8vj Perk builds might not specifically be commonly build around gen rush, but that's because there is no need. Just bring a good toolbox and you can have the best of both worlds. Meta second chance perks with adrenaline and dead hard AND quick gen progression in a strong toolbox.
@cwing1028
2 жыл бұрын
21:47 whoa! You shot the generator to completion 😂
@rickkcir2151
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of survivors have forgotten the combo of old pain res and old pop. You know, hook someone on scourge, see where the most progressed gen is, go over and pop it. Total flat regression of 40% from 2 perks. Even with the additional 10 seconds, non of the current regression perks come close to that amount of quick and effective value. Yet, I’ve seen an uptick in survivors complaining about regression perks. It really boggles the mind.
@renaldoawesomesauce1654
2 жыл бұрын
That's because killers got 5 free pain reso hooks at the start of every game, for free, for doing nothing, while getting a buff to the overall regression value that pain reso gives. Pain reso is still a thing, and you can just sub pop out for several other good perks and get value. It's not like killers lost a perk slot. It's the substitute effect. Everyone knows that as killer getting off to a good start was important. Now you already start out in a winning position and as long as you don't get looped to death you should snowball pretty quick most games. If you play surv right now you have about a 30% chance of escaping the game you're in on average. That's if you're the typical survivor. Some survivors legit are escaping maybe 10% of their games. That's ridiculously low. They have every right to bitch tbh. Personally I wouldn't even play at those percentages.
@Herr_Brechmann
2 жыл бұрын
@@renaldoawesomesauce1654 no, get good
@renaldoawesomesauce1654
2 жыл бұрын
@@Herr_Brechmann If you're struggling to win as killer that's just on you. They literally couldn't make it any easier for us and its embarrassing seeing killers still trying to argue that its survivor sided.
@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura
2 жыл бұрын
@@Herr_Brechmann Go outside.
@getbetter5907
2 жыл бұрын
@@renaldoawesomesauce1654 Its cause your odd's on winning as survivor is based on whether your 3 teammate are potatoes or not.
@saikyue4462
Жыл бұрын
The problem is, 4 slowdowns is boring asf, but if I play an actual fun build and get genrushed with 3 gens done before my 1st hook, then guess what im gonna do next match
@Jerry-dm4mg
2 жыл бұрын
The trickster match was brutal, absolutely insane, you could tell by chats reaction 😂
@bobthebox2993
2 жыл бұрын
The deathslinger build is really interesting to me. You have 4 perks that don't really seem connected with each other at first glance, but manage to combo with the addons in such a way that all the perks make sense together.
@darkwolf8820
2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: you can't mend when in t3 madness from a doctor. If the doctor pressures you or, you miss a skillcheck you go down. The timer is really tight
@barongrimoire9043
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve had this thought on my mind for a while, but haven’t had a chance to bring it up in a relevant conversation until now. I feel that since the update where repairing gens became 90 seconds, where the devs said “We want slowdown perks to feel less necessary” it has become more necessary to run multiple slowdown perks in a build. I’ve seen in a lot of your recommended builds for each killer more than one slowdown perk, and I’m not against it but it seems the game has gone the opposite way from what bhvr wanted
@doompunk64
2 жыл бұрын
I think this is because Killers lost Ruin. I mostly just ran Ruin and prayed that they didn't find it early, and if they didn't, I could have a solid perk where I could regress gens by simply being around the Survivors and forcing them off of generators. Now you have to waste time downing them or hooking them or kicking the gen itself to get any regression. Because you can't regress gens passively anymore with Ruin, you have to put in extra time just to get that regression. That extra 10 seconds did nothing for the game.
@theotherauthor740
2 жыл бұрын
@@doompunk64 yeah exactly. there are no longer passive gen slowdown perks. i mean i personally don’t mind putting in the extra work for gen regression bc it feels more rewarding, but the devs did nothing to counter gen rushing, i.e. none of the survivor gen perks got majorly nerfed, PLUS they’ve added even MORE gen perks since the meta change, so gens are popping faster than ever despite the added time. the thing that would really counter gens popping too fast would be more balanced map design, but the devs don’t seem to care about balancing maps at all.
@Justmonika6969
2 жыл бұрын
@@doompunk64 Yeah it didn't do shit except make killers want to run more slowdown to take advantage of the 90 second gen speeds, which grinds matches to a halt. I've never seen games stalemate so hard before. One time I had a Dredge game with CoB, Eruption, and Overcharge. The survivors and I fought over that one gen in the middle of Eyrie and it lasted for like almost 20 minutes. The survivors were tilted when I inevitably won the back n forth due to my build. (Eruption allows me to kick them off gens when I was busy downing people) That's just the way BHVR has been pushing the game. When you increase gen times and nerf Ruin, you start to empower regression builds that can take advantage of the killers kick even more.
@M4XXXXXXXX
2 жыл бұрын
@@Justmonika6969 honestly just tunnel the weak survivor out and gens slow down so much more then any perks, it’s not like survivors complete 33% of a gen and then fuck off why should the killer
@AubergineMans
2 жыл бұрын
@@M4XXXXXXXX Nah you can't tunnel under any circumstances it's against the code of conduct section 4
@leoskate89
2 жыл бұрын
Love how Otz showcases builds of any kind! Although he proved already that he can just destroy everyone perkless XD
@getbetter5907
2 жыл бұрын
Unless he's dredge xD
@jinxysaberk
2 жыл бұрын
tbf I feel like the reason some killers run these perks is because of how fast gens are popping currently. More and more I regret using chase perks instead of regress perks because even in short chases gens can pop very fast with prove thyself and iri gears. Even if players dont use it all the time it only takes 1 player to have the perk and generator to cause the fast pop. I personally dont run 4 of these perks but i dont look down on those that do because with second chance perks and what I explained above sometimes chases can go on even longer too. With how strong of items and perks survs bring I dont have pitty for this strat as the killer is probably just trying to prevent the game being instantly over
@madaragaming1273
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, i will always remember that wesker match where no one lasted 30 secs chase against me, playef very well and they still got 3 men out just of how fast gens popped and Through deadlock bruh
@SarcasticData
2 жыл бұрын
The whole point of the video was to demonstrate that you do NOT need 4 slowdown perks to win. It's just simple, easy, and effective for killers to use and get consistent wins.
@ariadown8125
2 жыл бұрын
I gotta say, I love the fact that you called Brand New Parts, iri gears. It sounds so much cooler
@jinxysaberk
2 жыл бұрын
@@SarcasticData it doesn't prove that it's more effective it just proves it can be done which obviously if you read the bit at the bottom I don't even use this strategy all I'm saying is that it's completely fair in my eyes for killers to use those builds and it's not always just for lame reasons. I totally understand the frustrations of survivors that play fair but as killer its so rare in my experience:/ (I also prefer games to last a little longer so that could have some bias towards it as I find DBD can go by too fast)
@jinxysaberk
2 жыл бұрын
@@ariadown8125 I COULDNT REMEMBER THE NAME THANK YOU OMG LMFAO
@macncheeze3968
2 жыл бұрын
hi otz! i recently started joining ur twitch streams and heard sbout holly. Bless both you and Niina and im gonna keep watching your content! ❤
@welshcrusade1562
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Holly was an awesome rat, and we all miss her
@jordanfrancis9707
Жыл бұрын
@@welshcrusade1562 Faaaaack, the rat is gone!?!? She was how i found Otz in the first place :'[
@PoochMG
2 жыл бұрын
"What you did was dirty but what I did was FILTHY." lmao Otz is a living legend.
@NoNameTheFirst
2 жыл бұрын
When I use Blood Favor, I typically get 1 chase out of it. Even paired with Undying. It's a fun perk, that has some counterplay, but both of my hexes being cleansed before I even see a single survivor every 3 games gives me little incentive to run hexes outside of builds where I want survivors to cleanse them. In 2022 DBD, hexes are either too weak to warrant their use or have gimmicks that subvert typical hex behavior.1
@Haileycartero
2 жыл бұрын
Otz has a towel around his neck from the amount of sweat he generates from using these slow down perks as killer 😂 Jokes aside, thanks for the new video. ❤️
@dragogaming5164
2 жыл бұрын
Wow Hailey, hilarious.
@_Sin_
Жыл бұрын
Let me guess,survivor main?
@bean6453
Жыл бұрын
@@dragogaming5164 You're seriously being condescending under an otz video? Really?
@bean6453
Жыл бұрын
@@_Sin_ only a salty killer main would take their comment the way you did lmao
@Jari_Kir
2 жыл бұрын
Around the beginning of the year I basically banned gen regression perks from my builds. My builds became a lot more fun to play and it changed my outlook on the game from "I try my very best" to "let's try something new" and for me that's a good thing.
@K1tKatKatie
2 жыл бұрын
damn, i miss watching these games live. can never find the time to stop by otz's stream anymore. thank you for uploading these here, so we get to experience these awesome games in our free time
@golemofwill4728
2 жыл бұрын
I find slowdown perks usually have diminishing returns. Overcharge + call of brine is easily countered by tapping gens. Eruption and Pain res are all you need because the can fix holes in your killer. Too slow? Use Pain res to get more map pressure. Eruption can generate massive pressure as well. Really I find the best builds I use to have only 1-2 gen regression perks and the rest be some utility or help in chases.
@somebodyalive6131
2 жыл бұрын
With M1 Killers, I sometimes slap on Dragon’s Grip to tempt them to tap gens, and immediately get alerted and instakill them
@aquila519
2 жыл бұрын
@Cade Rainier well said
@Liara_Tsoni2275
Жыл бұрын
24:44 when you said "Hello Feng" I heard after in my head "this is Otz"😂
@makashika
2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy myself as killer by playing aura reading builds and just going for crazy shots on huntress. I never found gen slowdown perks to be fun to play with tbh. The only thing non aura wise that I use is NWO for end game pressure and iron maiden for reloads. I know some survivors may find it annoying, but personally I enjoy it more when I play survivor to play against sniper huntresses rather than gen humper killers.
@aquila519
2 жыл бұрын
I love running a full aura reading build with huntress and going for snipes. it makes losing the game so much less frustrating when you're not even going for the win in the first place lol. thats why huntress is one of the only killers i'm willing to play because I can have fun regardless if Im losing.
@makashika
2 жыл бұрын
@@aquila519 exaaaactly
@aquila519
2 жыл бұрын
@@makashika glad to see there are others that think the same 🤩
@SuperGDPWYL
2 жыл бұрын
The Survivor's Rulebook for Killers kick in again
@mylife1221
2 жыл бұрын
omg is that a geometry dash player
@linkinparkfanthatsdumb2576
2 жыл бұрын
@@mylife1221 I love your snipes
@VARII1
2 жыл бұрын
My favorites are always spooky perks whatever makes the most spooky encounters losing means nothing if there's spooky times just overall spooky no matter what spooky means all
@thesaviorofsouls5210
Жыл бұрын
Do you have reccomendations? I want to pull people into my own personal horror movie as trapper and maybe kill 1 person. But i really dont want to keep getting bullied until i find somethint that works
@Alastor5678
2 жыл бұрын
Today I'm going to test the builds! They looked super fun. Especially the totems although I dont have the most important thing, Blood Favor.
@AmericanGadfly
2 жыл бұрын
One of my fav builds right now is brutal ! Enduring + fire up + stbfl + dream pallets on freddy. Sometimes i switch out fire up for bamboozle. Its a really fun build and people get saaaaaalty
@renaldoawesomesauce1654
2 жыл бұрын
I hate dream pallet freddy xD enduring is great for those ping hit swings. Can be greedy as fuck and never respect pallets.
@xaven2877
2 жыл бұрын
They never should have removed the bp bonus from BBQ and WGLF, revert them and you'll have a lot of people running them again.
@inmate92
2 жыл бұрын
I still see killers use BBQ a lot (still do it myself), because the Info you get is just too valuable.
@aquila519
2 жыл бұрын
@@inmate92 BBQ def still amazing. see killers run it all the time myself included
@QuestionedTurkey
2 жыл бұрын
0:08 hmmm I wonder who said that? 😳 but you're right, its just pain res, dead mans, overcharge, eruption, call of brine, corrupt im sick of seeing over and over and over and over 😭
@awkawkawkx
2 жыл бұрын
Talking about Legion with eruption! It actually worked out a looot of times for me. I chase survs, they have some regressing gens to tap quickly - and I'm downing someone at the same time. Survs just don't have enough time to mend and they die lol Once I've got two Megs who died of not mending in time and I was so confused at first
@nthetiteGHOST
2 жыл бұрын
The only build that consistently makes me tired the second i see it is a sloppy butcher wraith. weird I know, but it makes it hard as hell to find a chance to heal, and if you stop, it hemorrages away.
@kronos3366
2 жыл бұрын
I have a super good four gen regression build on Freddy that I exclusively use after being gen rushed (Multiple prove Thyself, really good toolboxes with brand new parts, all four of their perks being about speeding up gens). I tend to use a mix otherwise, except my permanent exposure build on Wraith
@pepethefrog6809
Жыл бұрын
Survivors: We run these meta perks and items coz we get the same strong killers with the same slowdown builds over and over. Killers: We run these meta perks and add-ons coz we get the same team of survivors with the same genrush/second chance build over and over. It's a never-ending cycle. LOL
@birdnerd4302
2 жыл бұрын
I just love how trickster is just laughing and chuckling constantly
@whereislamp3912
2 жыл бұрын
yeah like doctor and clown
@Dj7220x
2 жыл бұрын
@@whereislamp3912 deathslinger too
@whereislamp3912
2 жыл бұрын
@@Dj7220x why are all of the original killers so damn giggly 💀
@bigmanliam
Жыл бұрын
kinda lame tbh i wish there was some dialogue
@birdnerd4302
Жыл бұрын
U wanna hear tricksters dialogue? He is Korean I think so it would have a different language and it’s not lame of having laughs and chuckles for the insane instead of dialogue which is best suited for people like the master mind which I kinda forgor his name.
@firstpersonsnooter2519
2 жыл бұрын
Man I love nurses on Deathslinger it’s so good
@Killer-Frost18x
2 жыл бұрын
Y’all talk the most crap about nurse yet use her perks 24/7 smh
@firstpersonsnooter2519
2 жыл бұрын
@@Killer-Frost18x first of all I said nothing about nurse herself. Second of all, a killer is separate from the perks they bring to the table. Nurse is the strongest killer in the game but all of her perks are pretty meh. So don’t come at me talking about how I apparently said something bad about nurse cuz I didn’t SMH.
@bigbrainonimain9226
2 жыл бұрын
Really bro, 4 slowdown perks? - survivor with off the record, dead hard, unbreakable, circle of healing and an instaheal
@Orthane
Жыл бұрын
Now we have the reverse problem with literally every survivor using 1 of the 4 movespeed perks (Overcome included in the 4)
@NM-kz9qd
Жыл бұрын
It's incredibly frustrating when you decide to be nice and not run 4 slowdown and survivors take advantage of it and be incredibly toxic
@Dcookies100
Жыл бұрын
I was on reddit arguing for survivors (killer main) about how killers playing optimally (tunneling/slugging for full timer) is super miserable to go against. I get on DBD to do my killer dailies and I'm rusty because I started playing pretty much just survivor with my friends, nearly all my games include 1-2 BM'ing survivors while I was running no add-ons or gen slow down lmao
@lilymuu
2 жыл бұрын
This isn't necessarily relevant to the point Otz made in this video, but it's just my take on why people might choose to run multiple slowdown perks--aside from the fact that it's often just the best thing to do if you want a better chance to win. In my opinion, there are few to no slowdown perks in the game's current state that are worth running on their own: most are either too inconsistent in the amount of use you get from them--either not always activating (Jolt, Dead Man's Switch) or not consistently making an impact (Pop, Thanatophobia, Corrupt Intervention, Gift of Pain)--or they're just too weak (Ruin, Dying Light, Oppression, Merciless Storm, Grim Embrace, and others if I forgot them). That leaves a handful of perks: Pentimento, Overcharge, Call of Brine, Eruption, and Pain Resonance (and Deadlock, which doesn't combo super well with anything in particular). Pentimento has to be run with other Hex perks, which are inherently inconsistent; Call of Brine, Overcharge (which temporarily _hinders_ the killer when not used in conjunction with Call of Brine), and Eruption all activate upon kicking a generator, so why not run all three of them together and get consistent use out of them all? If you're running those three perks, why not just throw on Pain Resonance so manually kicking generators isn't your only source of slowdown? That's not to say all of the perks save for the final few I mentioned are "bad," per se--because they certainly can be worth running in the right builds--but, realistically, how much value will you be consistently getting out of just one or sometimes even two of any of these perks? I understand that a lot of survivors find it to be boring, but I personally don't see a reason to use perks that are often suboptimal when I want to win.
@AyJayStyles
2 жыл бұрын
Good point. In general I think the answer to your last question is that you'd get little consistent value out of gimmicky perks on their own which is why Survivors don't wanna cope with the known perk combos they find boring...It makes it harder for them to hold M1. I'm not saying I personally LOVE going against specific perks but I at least have several thousand hours on both sides and understand why the perks are being used. There's people that complain about any possible combo a Killer can use but they never actually play Killer themselves, they also have 0 problems running in a SWF with all the best combos too. I don't mind people playing how they want, as long as everybody is aware of that fact. If you wanna stack 4 slowdowns on Blight vs my SoloQ team that's fine, just don't shake your head at me or slice me on the hook when you catch me after getting rid of the weak links first. Wanna stack BNPs and gen perks in a SWF with a map offering? That's fine, just don't GGEZ in chat or taunt at the gate if you even make it there
@mudstick
2 жыл бұрын
slowdown perks are like old dead hard in that its easy to rely on them too much. id honestly suggest going a week or two without using any slowdown; also like old dead hard, learning how to play without slowdown will make you a monster when you do play with it
@antonioprovolone2815
2 жыл бұрын
Too bad dead hard is still used and actually becomes stronger than the old one in many situations, the skill cap is just higher. Slowdown perks are necessary because gens go too fast, I don’t think you’ve got quite a good understanding of the balance of the game.
@fluffybum204
2 жыл бұрын
I usually play with one maybe 2 slowdowns
@thelastgamer1
2 жыл бұрын
@@antonioprovolone2815 new dead hard is okay, latency from cross play makes it way harder to use. When both sides have good ping I love using it.
@Aquelecaralaessemesmo
2 жыл бұрын
i'm playing without slowdown perks for over 4 months, best decision of my life
@d00diehead52
Жыл бұрын
Now I just want to see deathslinger trying to fit in with legion like “hello fellow kids”
@ChariX21
2 жыл бұрын
Omfg ofc the first video of otz i star in and i play like this! XD so typical lmao much love to you Otz you are awesome ! i have never not cared more then getting clapped then i do in this moment right now haha never thought me and my friends would star in one of your videos.
@Crawlingify
2 жыл бұрын
We both gave him a good show match at least xD
@ChariX21
2 жыл бұрын
@@Crawlingify We sure did hahah :)
@MetallicD3ath
2 жыл бұрын
That was absolutely the best showcase I've ever seen of Trickster's Showtime/activated ability (can't remember what it's actually called).
@ManiacBasterd
2 жыл бұрын
as a survivor main, i really appreciate killers running different builds, i like the variety (and also im annoyed at seeing always the same builds - as a general rule for myself, i always run max 2 meta perks). Most memorable game lately was an endgame legion (no way out, terminus, cant remember the other 2 perks) - made the endgame really intense!
@Blind4156
2 жыл бұрын
Loving Fire up, Bamboozle, Superior anatomy, and bitter murmur on lots of mouse 1 killers. Specifically Mikey and Pig, been having a lot of fun.
@gianglai7346
2 жыл бұрын
Essentially there is Slowdown/Disruption, Lethality, Information Gathering, and "make-stuff-quicker" perks . For me, I always find it fun to focus only on one of these aspects instead of a balanced mixture.
@stickfigure805
2 жыл бұрын
my favorite build is Brutal Strength, Agitation, Enduring, and Fire Up
@CloroxBleach-ox7cf
2 жыл бұрын
Bruh Otz going crazy with those shots in the slinger game
@Cpt_Ace_Welt
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly in solo q I prefer gen slowdown to chase perks. I'd rather the game take longer than see all 3 of my teammates manage to get downed at once in the first two minutes
@Kaiimei
2 жыл бұрын
I love that scarf by the way, that blue scarf really mixes nicely with the background ^.^
@TheBlueAkumu
Жыл бұрын
I gotta say,this positive comment made me really happy to see. Stay positive and i hope you have a good day.
@Kaiimei
Жыл бұрын
@@TheBlueAkumu You too!
@Lvit2BeaverTail
2 жыл бұрын
If the entity is the antagonist, Twitter is that revealed super antagonist everyone pairs up to take on. And Otz faced it head on. Lovable Anti-hero confirmed.
@legokid1902
2 жыл бұрын
So as a Deathslinger main, I’ve come to find that Nurse’s Calling is basically worthless on him unless you’re on an indoor map. Basically any good survivors aren’t gonna heal anywhere near you due to the pressure from chain, they know that if they’re grouped together healing 1 shot is gonna hit at least one person. My main build is a basic attack focus, Deadlock, STTFL, Sloppy Butcher, and the last slot I swap out for whatever I need in the round, lots of items? Franklin’s Demise, more slowdown? Jolt, Thanataphobia is also reallly good on him though.
@r_c1
2 жыл бұрын
what’s actually really funny is when i play survivor killers don’t really need to run full gen slowdown bc i play solo queue and no one does gens anyways 😂. but when i play killer my mmr is much higher since i don’t have 3 people weighing me down so when i’m playing a somewhat weaker killer like legion, yeah you kinda need the slowdown
@jack-o-lanterns-dbdclips6995
2 жыл бұрын
Damn, if the new mori system was in place that Trickster game would have ended very cinematically!
@vector_vector__
2 жыл бұрын
Survivors are spoiled so much that they complaining about perks that in the game and meant for using " no matter how .
@jenericjoe7565
Жыл бұрын
Against solo survs I dont feel like I need slowdown perks on doctor, but against swf coordination I feel it is necessary to even have a chance. So there is a conflict of interest between variety and winning at the red ranks depending on what level of communication I face. Feel like a broken record saying this but if they added comms for survs it would be easier to nerf survs as a whole so I and many others wouldnt need to run too many ‘boring’ perks to have a competitive chance (atleast 2 kills or 6 hooks)
@bigmanliam
Жыл бұрын
comms for survivors would be awesome
@Mytea1
2 жыл бұрын
four slowdown perks is the same as four gen rushing perks or four meta perks in general. the problem imo is rather having good perks on an already extremely strong killer like nurse or blight. lethal, floods of rage, agitation, starstruck is kinda unbeatable on nurse. especially if u are not in a swf.
@syrusalder7795
2 жыл бұрын
I really don't like using multiple slowdown perks, but it feels like the second you don't use them, gens get slammed faster than a controversial opinion on twitter. I personally love running as much aura reading as possible on Jiggledaddy and just having almost permanent wallhax. Its hilarious, even if I often lose with it
@fakeAratPrime
2 жыл бұрын
*_"Eww, 16 second chance perks"_*
@arthurlepy3203
9 ай бұрын
If anyone is seeing this, a fun build non meta (if your mmr is not like, maxed out) is huntres lullaby + opression, it’s like on command slowdown+ info
@Promethe3u5
2 жыл бұрын
If I go against the same 4 perks every game, I usually start to counter it by knowing the perk. And if you want to really counter slowdown perks, run repressed allowance and flash bang. It’s really that simple guys. Edit: for all the whiners in the replies, I mixed up flash bang and blast mine. When someone gives advice instead of complaining, why don’t you actually try it out. Then complain if it doesn’t work.
@scrapinator8898
2 жыл бұрын
How the hell does flash bang help gen at all? Infact that makes doing them harder
@meiyami93
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah? Reel this to the 3 randoms most solo queuers got 🙃
@aquila519
2 жыл бұрын
@@meiyami93 EXACTLY. what random solo queue teammates are going to use fucking repressed alliance and flashbang 😂
@poissonsumac7922
2 жыл бұрын
@@aquila519 I would, I love Flashbang! Repressed Alliance....eh.
@aquila519
2 жыл бұрын
@@poissonsumac7922 I love flashbang too but like how often do u see random survivor have flashbang AND get value out of it? Very rarely unfortunately
@RAAM900
2 жыл бұрын
Seeing the plague match live was a wild experience.
@kapkant6197
2 жыл бұрын
Personally I ran a 4 slowdown Legion (no Thanatophobia I'm not that evil lmao) once out of curiosity and I've decided to NEVER do that again cause I won but I felt dirty afterwards. I think people get too obsessed with thinking what the other side thinks, sure try to think if you'd hate going against that build but if you wanna run it whatever. Plus different Survivors have different tolerances. When I first started I played Myers with NOED in my third Killer match ever with no kills and I immediately got a 4 stack all messaging me on Xbox insulting me for being a terrible person running NOED despite the fact I couldn't hit any of them and they cleansed it. Meanwhile I started running an endgame build (No Way Out, Remember Me, Rancor and Terminus) on Nemesis and I got Survivors messaging me to complement my build after the 4k, one of them in a separate game even sent me a screenshot of him after getting a 4k with that build thanking me for the idea. So basically I just don't bother trying to predict what Survivors/Killers will complain about lol.
@scrapinator8898
2 жыл бұрын
My advice is play how you want and dont give a fuck about what "the other side" thinks. Its a game do what you want to, have fun if you need to turn off messages then do it you dont need to do hear others bullshit that ruins your mood/desire to play dbd.
@KronosSupreme
2 жыл бұрын
no one runs thano, and you are a fool if you run thano, even as a legion after the nerfs.
@gnorung7769
Жыл бұрын
Never even knew there was a meta like this. My principle has always been taking one gen slowdown and one info perk, but even that is not a necessity especially if I'm playing a strong killer or one with built-in slowdown. As good as they would be at stopping gens, I can't imagine these builds lead to any fun games. I've seen plenty of survivors give up and go into hiding indefinitely after losing their hope of finishing gens, and with no info perks it's only worse. I might be wrong on this, but after coming back to the game after a 2-year hiatus, I feel that the playstyle of your average killer has shifted a lot towards downing a surv early and focusing on on or two survs no matter what, as opposed to a more map pressure focused playstyle. When you're playing to get someone out of the game unconditionally, obviously other survivors sit on gens, especially since they expect the killer to be on that person until they're dead. I feel I have much less of an issue with gens by switching targets often and patrolling constantly and efficiently. Coming back this strategy has worked for me even better since gens now take longer than they did when I left. Of course, my fun was ruined quite a bit as I learned about a certain boon perk, which can erase all pressure the killer has built up way too fast and easily. That and teams with 4 strong items. These two things certainly encourage the killer to get rid of people as soon as they can. So of course tunneling viable, I've done it too, but when I do it I know I'm giving up gen pressure. Some people don't seem to realize that. There's a lot to complain as a killer, always will be, but having to take 4 slowdowns is not one of them. It's very difficult without any, that's for sure, but 4 is overkill and arguably not even that good. I'd take Otz's builds over that any day. The goal is to have fun and part of that is coming up with fun builds from the 103 perks that are available.
@zacattak4837
2 жыл бұрын
very fun matches! always love to see blood favor used.
@Bodyknock
2 жыл бұрын
Personally I have run a slowdown perk in a little while on any killer and I'm doing fine. 🙂 My current favorite build I use on most killers is perks that counter the most common survivor perks: - Discordance (to counter Prove Thyself) - Fearmonger (to counter various popular Exhaustion perks) - Hex: Third Seal (Windows of Opportunity is the first or second most used survivor perk in the game right now and Blindness counters it as well as other popular aura perks) - Hex: Undying (I'm using this mainly to help Third Seal stay up longer, but the tracking info has also come in handy.) Since the top three popular survivor perks are (in some order) Dead Hard, Windows of Opportunity, and Prove Thyself, this build often ends up pretty directly countering multiple survivor perks per match, often at least one or two perks per survivor even. In fact the Blindness is so good in the current perk meta I'm running it simply for that, it hiding dying and hooked survivor auras and occasionally getting me a free hook state is just a side bonus. 🙂 Of course with no slow down I have to juggle the survivors aggressively, but that's fine since that's the fun part of the game. And it's surprising how many people end up leaving Third Seal up most or all of the game. It's like they dismiss Blindness as not being worth worrying about, but seem to forget that it's shutting down sometimes half their teams' perks. Honorable mention for a variant goes to using Third Seal, Undying, Shattered Hope, and Pentimento. It loses counters to Exhaustion perks and Prove Thyself but gains a hard counter to Circle of Healing plus gives decent gen slowdown. I've done pretty well with that build too, I just don't run it as often since Circle of Healing isn't quite as popular as the other perks above.
@AlaReDuS
2 жыл бұрын
Otz I know you've been dishing out uploads as usual and I don't really get the chance to catch your stream usually, but I hope those cheaters aren't giving you too much trouble through the long hours of the stream. Take care of your mental health man.
@shirokku3279
2 жыл бұрын
I had the funniest game today. First time ever playing Spirit. Level 1, haven't touched her blood web, no prestige, so literally only 1 perk slot and zero addons. I brought Merciless Storm. It popped so many times that it carried me to an easy 4K even in those conditions, against prestige ~5, fully stacked meta build survivors. Strong perks, can sometimes be REALLY strong depending on the situation. Agree 100% with what you said at the beginning of the video. Any other perk, I probably would have eaten a 0K loss.
@hidetakamiyazaki7311
2 жыл бұрын
dead by daylight would be long dead if otz wasn't here. shear amount of dedication this guy brings is jaw dropping. thank you otz. cute bastard.
@MrCharliebrown62
2 жыл бұрын
just like Deathgarden. Its only still alive because it had a following before they balanced it into garbage.
@piralos1329
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone out here complaining about 4 slowdown abilities, smh. Clearly they haven't played against the Chad 6 Slowdown Legion. Mending, Ruin Tape, and 4 perks! (Can even throw on a mangled pin)
@VertigoCross777
2 жыл бұрын
I remember going against a legion once with a build that made gens take basically 3 minutes. It was just the most boring experience i'd ever had. i never wanted to play against it again lol
@tinytelephones
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I call that one tab out and make a sandwich simulator
@tigerbeard65
2 жыл бұрын
These are cool builds and I like the idea of switching up my play style as a killer. In terms of people complaining - as someone who was recently accused of 'gen camping' by a survivor team (apparently patrolling gens is toxic and no fun for survivors) I've given up considering whether other people enjoy my builds.
@_Sin_
Жыл бұрын
Survivors will brag about anything. Just play whatever you like
@phantom_sn1per201
2 жыл бұрын
You really shon a new light on trickster for me, damn. Thanks Otz, faith restored.
@greed0599
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that without eruption, surge, call of brine, etc is that gens will pop instantly without them. Most teams, even solo q teams, know to sit on a gen if not in chase, and to start running from a gen the second a killer looks in your direction
@Haileycartero
2 жыл бұрын
Hello Otz, this is chat
@shybearr
2 жыл бұрын
Hello otz, this is friends
@turtles3
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for actually being somewhat original
@Haileycartero
2 жыл бұрын
@@shybearr hello Otz, this is comment
@pat1275
2 жыл бұрын
I've enjoyed taking QoL perks. Brutal Strength, Lightborn, Nurse's, Enduring, Shattered Hope, Spirit Fury, Sloppy Butcher Just when survivors are annoying me, I like to just run at them and not get stopped by something annoying Especially if they load in with medkits or beamers
@SunderingLoki
2 жыл бұрын
Y’all gotta try wraith with pain res, call of brine, discordance and overcharge with shadow dance. The regression is nasty you basically have hex ruin everytime you kick a gen on top of pain res procs. Eruption is also solid but I don’t have it sadly. You also kick gens 60% faster.
@aquila519
2 жыл бұрын
as a survivor main who went against a Wraith with this exact build as I was running non meta perks, I quite literally wanted to disconnect my whole Xbox after I finished that game.
@rickkcir2151
2 жыл бұрын
You should try kicking gens instead. I find that licking them isn’t as effective.
@olegzubkov1109
2 жыл бұрын
Survivors: ew I don't want to play against the same 4 slowdown perks every game, BHVR puh-leeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase. Me, who's been playing Killer against the same 4 perks in every game for years: yeah, must be tough being you.
@bowlingpin9434
2 жыл бұрын
I’m a demomain and my build consists of floods of rage, mad grit, dark devotion, and mindbreaker. I still win most games in Iri 1, so I don’t see why other killers act like they need gen regression. I think putting to much attention on gens is the source of so much toxicity and rage that I just opt to ignore them other than to find survivors or if we’re in a three gen situation.
@zakuxz9818
2 жыл бұрын
Iri 1 means nothing
@bowlingpin9434
2 жыл бұрын
@@zakuxz9818 fair
@adi_baa
2 жыл бұрын
I'd much rather have a jolt with a cooldown that activates with Power downs over a no cooldown m1 perk
@SasukeUchiha-eh1we
2 жыл бұрын
No one can tell my that trickster is not op. Cant get away from him when he spams blades at you. Only counter play is if you get a map thats inside.
@napkin9138
2 жыл бұрын
"ahh my camera moved myself cause eyes, I got hit by that car" is a sentence I never thought I'd hear in any context ever
@DaBrownie
2 жыл бұрын
When he hit that Ada with main event perfectly i climaxed. That’s was awesome.
@karmitdafruge1
Жыл бұрын
the only problem is that they're basically necessary Survivor main "chases are the most fun part gens are soooo boring" Killer main "these perks make it so chases last longer and gens take longer that should be what you want right" Survivor main "ugh...." then they run the same 4 op perks every game too
@empiyrr2133
2 жыл бұрын
Ngl it still feels like you need the same amount of slowdown perks as before but the ones used now are definitely less annoying and require more input from the killer to use
@TR7Ramen
2 жыл бұрын
I'm only a casual player, so if I see 4 META slowdowns on one of the top killers, I "give up" (what I mean by this is do the least by sitting on gens and refusing to participate in chases rather than killing myself on hook like a baby). Regardless of the killer's skill, I find them boring and the killer clearly wants to win if they have a build with that killer, unlike me who's just running fun builds like head on and flashbang. So honestly there is no reason for the killer to complain if their goal is to win whereas my goal is to just have fun.
@eliasbrewn
2 жыл бұрын
If you want to see a super unique build just look at any huntress build, about half the time they will run the most stupid, random perks that actually works well xD
@DerrylHopkins
2 жыл бұрын
Ooh you're working towards P100 with Plague! :o
@lolmanmagee2785
Жыл бұрын
in the death slinger game, if you are going to keep everyone injured like a legion; why not run thanatophobia instead of terminus especially when you already have nurses to stop healing?
@Sheridan2LT
2 жыл бұрын
13:55 That ADR oh my goddd did you really think no one would notice?? :D
@TheTerrorNavigator
2 жыл бұрын
The walk of Micheal Myers in Dead By Daylight is just as fast as the run of Albert Wesker. Why? Cuz their base movement speeds are exactly the same. That blows my effing mind dude.
@TheTerrorNavigator
2 жыл бұрын
Hot take: give Wesker faster base movement speed and increase his virulent bound charges to 7. One for each minute.
@VudoBrey
2 жыл бұрын
I once decided to see what is in Twitter and saw someone who complained that shadowborn is the most op perk in the game and should be removed.
@thepigeonknight9849
2 жыл бұрын
Otz have you done a plaything/pentimento video yet? Its been around for awhile now but ive been seing it done a bit more often and I want you opinion on it. To some survivors its just boring and brainded with how one stack of pentimento nearly pauses gens entirely. To killers its a complicated multi step strategy having to manage your resources and all 5 totems in the map My personal favorite use is plaything, pentimento, ruin, thrill of the hunt on pyramid head. Pyramid heads ranged attack can allow some quick downs to get the ball rolling with plaything and encourages you to hook and not cage so that way all survivors will keep their torment for when you actually need to cage them, such as avoiding flash saves or decisive, or sending them to the opposite side of the map to defend your totems.
@xxcalijrxx2686
2 жыл бұрын
I'd hate being a meta slave when I play killer sometimes. When I do play with full gen regression/slowdown I'd get unfulfilling and unchallenging matches where I feel like I'm being harsh to the survivors.
@tinytelephones
2 жыл бұрын
Same it's boring and unnecessary, no thanks
@jeremyaks69
2 жыл бұрын
The deathslinger build could be fun switching jolt and terminus for brutal and eruption, same add ons. Maybe some incapacitated value to be had ? The obvious flaw being deathslinger isn't a great kicker of gens..
@billybyrns2557
2 жыл бұрын
Tried out a specific slowdown build for the first time the other day on Legion of all killers; Thana, Gift of Pain, Penti, and Haunted Ground. Had a lobby with survs that had well over ~2k hrs average, and I only have ~200. Had 2 ppl ragequit/give up within the first minute, then one trash talked me after giving the other last person hatch. Hatch surv was chill, thankfully. Days before, I've been enjoying a piggyback build on Legion; Mad Grit, Iron Grasp, Agitation, and STBFL. Still had people ragequit, and even trash talk their own team. Moral of the story: You can't please everyone. Some people are going to be salty no matter what, because you didn't play the game the way they wanted you to play, or because they lost. Don't let it get to you.
@irae4280
2 жыл бұрын
thank you for making this video. not only is 3+ slowdown immensely boring to face, it's also highly inefficient for most players in this game as a lot of them truly don't have game sense.
@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal
2 жыл бұрын
0:30 I actually used a really similar build to that one on Freddy back when thanatophobia was actually still useable and it was good as hell, literally never lost a single match while using that build
@milkydoesstuff1828
2 жыл бұрын
My personal formula for killer builds is! 1 Slow Down 1 Game Game Start 1 Info 1 Flex slot Flex slot I either put chase perks in or fun ones
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