Would be great to see a control shallow alloy rim added to this comparison
@SEproducti0n
Жыл бұрын
Alu shallow rim vs carbon 2.5k rim is 7-10% differecne at max. And dont forget that rider aero is 90% and bike 10%. So You gain 10% out of 10% ?
@kolichikov8140
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see how they perform against stock rims that you get on mid level bikes, ie. before thinking of what to upgrade to, is it even worth upgrading at all?
@Keschoo
Жыл бұрын
Better not what if you find out it's not worth to spend money for the looks😂
@stefanwagener
Жыл бұрын
Adding a alu wheel set for reference would be nice. Otherwise very helpful information. Winspace would be another name that comes to my mind.
@italiansurprise
Жыл бұрын
I recently picked up Hunt Limitless 60 and can confirm that they’re fast and stable but sound like million bees chasing you on descents. Best value of the group imo.
@morningtidefilms
Жыл бұрын
Well hell, if that’s the case I’d definitely increase my downhill times! Best innovative feature yet
@bipsyscott7275
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand the limitless pick. The HEDs are faster, and cost less. They get my money.
@italiansurprise
Жыл бұрын
@@bipsyscott7275 The HED Vanquish RC6 is $1750USD vs $1450 for the Hunts, at least in the states. Interestingly, I had narrowed my choices to those two, but couldn’t swing the additional cost. I personally like the wider rim profile of the Hunts to use with 28mm tires. Totally agree that HED makes a super reliable, fast wheel. I used tubular HED stingers for years and loved them. As long as the Hunts don’t fall apart, I’m happy.
@Neilz911
Жыл бұрын
I had the Bora WTO 45 and loved that wheel Set, stunning looks, incredible build quality, nice machined hubs and a good performace (unscientific, by my feelings) made it my favorite wheels set. Maybe the wheels are a bit on the heavy side but you save 20-30g at each wheel for needing no rimtape.
@YtseHWSW
Жыл бұрын
I ride the WTO 60s and I'm still stunned how gorgeous they look and how smoothy they rotate - even after having them for almost a year. Very susceptible for crosswinds though, but not more than my previous Fulcrums.
@stirny9731
Жыл бұрын
Have you already broken a spoke? Can you repair it normally? I had once heard the wildest stories that you can not repair and the whole wheel is defective thereby.
@Neilz911
Жыл бұрын
@@stirny9731 never broke one, but its possible to fix you just need a steel nippel and a magnet and maybe you have to remove some other spokes..
@jk2302
Жыл бұрын
I think I'll forever run 28mm tires only moving forward. With disc brake bikes having so much more clearance they're such a smarter tire to run. Cornering, ride feel, speed, it's all there.
@jimlanave8000
Жыл бұрын
I use Ican wheels - three sets, total. One set of base 38s on my wife's bike, one set of 38s on my '99 Trek 5200 and one set of F&L 50s on my Specialized Venge. We've got thousands and thousands of miles on those wheels and I love them (between $450 and $750 US). No idea how fast they are comparatively, but we average 22-24-mph over 30 miles and I feel comfortable on either wheelset (though the Fast & Light 50s are a little better at the faster speeds).
@nickdalamagas3540
Жыл бұрын
Value for money & performance, the Lun Winspace Hypers seem to be a great buy. Would be great to see them tested next 👍
@robbeelsas
Жыл бұрын
As you can see in my profile picture I run Winspace Hyper 50 wheels and they are truly the best pair of wheels I've ever ridden (got 5000km on them now without any issues). However, I'm hearing lots of good stuff about Elite Drive 50D and Farsports Ventoux S wheels (although the Farsports are comparatively expensive). Personally, I think I'd buy the Elite Drive 50D wheels over the Winspace Hyper 50 wheels now because they are similarly priced but weigh considerably less
@nickdalamagas3540
Жыл бұрын
@@robbeelsas how do Elite compare quality wise & stiffness? Little extra weight isn’t always an issue when there are other dominant factors. I’ve heard so much praise about the Hypers & positive reviews. Hambini loves them. I’m close to pulling the trigger 👍
@srdfcgvhbn
Жыл бұрын
@@nickdalamagas3540 elitewheel has black friday promotion at £260, too good to miss. i just ordered one
@docmccoy9813
Жыл бұрын
Learn to pronounce Campagnolo, it's a bike channel, fcs!
@Z-u-m-a
Жыл бұрын
Good video guys - appreciate the effort it must have taken.
@B_KFC_Leg
Жыл бұрын
Things such as reliability, and quality control are something that are hard to be measured on. I consider these to be equally important to speed when come down to selecting a Wheelset.
@davekashuba4730
Жыл бұрын
What I'd like to know is the difference in build quality, bearings (including serviceability), durability (spokes, bearing, rim), lateral stiffness vs vertical compliance, and warranty. Not easy to do in a quick comparison, but that's what I would LIKE to base my decision on when buying wheels. Speed differences are going to be minimal and variable on riding conditions.
@robbeelsas
Жыл бұрын
For that you should follow Hambini and Peak Torque
@harryrowland4734
Жыл бұрын
Lateral stiffness and vertical compliance has become an obsession and part of the marketing spin. All wheels flex and vertical compliance is just another work for comfortable. Durability comes from buying wheels that are suitable for the purchasing rider weight and intended use, weight is included in the suitability. Price does not necessarily reflect the quality.
@ayowser01
Жыл бұрын
@@StopTheRot that explains their price point and why I see them being sold secondhand.
@Numeriwar
Жыл бұрын
There is no verticale compliance
@SonnyDarvishzadeh
Жыл бұрын
I regret purchasing a set of 303 Firecrest. Within 3 months, the freehub had water ingress and all springs went rusty and are now stuck. I have to purchase a freehub for 100 euros. On the other hand, I've been riding on original aluminium wheels for 2 years, still spinning without extra cost. Probably my biggest mistake for a small gain and more for the bling.
@dakalla
Жыл бұрын
This is where the Shimano or campaign shine! With cup and cone bearings with some love once or two times a year they last for more than one bike lifetime
@thierryc4132
Жыл бұрын
@@dakalla I have been building wheels out of passion for many years and I work for a well-known large bearing manufacturer who is also a partner of a cycling federation... And I found myself working to restore the bearing part of many Shimano wheels because the teams world tour have big problems with this and Shimano does not correct the degradation because it only offers part of the bearing set, the outer raceways are missing. The restoration was an extremely complicated and delicate job but I got a very good result and I improved the sealing, the lubrication and applied the right adjustment... Now everything is fine for all these wheels but the question is, why Shimano can't do that!?!
@SonnyDarvishzadeh
Жыл бұрын
@@dakalla to be clear, bearings are fine, the hub is fine, it's the pawls and pawl springs that have rusted so much that they were not engaging. I discovered this since in last couple of rides (especially behind red lights), I found my feet going down immediately when pedalling. I checked the thru axle and then the wheel, turned out the pawls were not springing back..
@tubehabit
Жыл бұрын
Pity you didn't include a good quality aluminium wheel set just to see what the extra cash for carbon wheels is getting you. To my mind, the small differences between the wheels tested (assuming those differences are statistically significant) are of interest only to the die-hard racer.
@roadcc
Жыл бұрын
Next time!
@Djspeeda
Жыл бұрын
@@roadcc Promises promises ;)
@veganpotterthevegan
3 ай бұрын
The majority of carbon aero wheels will never see a race
@damu6678
Жыл бұрын
Great video but how could you leave out Enve?
@SimVanGyseghem
Жыл бұрын
I'm super happy with my JRA MahiMahi wheelset I got for my Orbea Orca recently. Would love to see that in a test 😊
@Flexo_l
Жыл бұрын
I have zipp 303s and they are fantastic.
@Northwindbreeze
Жыл бұрын
me too.
@maxbucky24
Жыл бұрын
Id of like to see some winspace hyper wheels in there
@roadcc
Жыл бұрын
We'll add them to the list
@Jarek.
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for this #video 👍I appreciate how informative it is and how much time & effort you had to spent testing all these #wheels. Cheers! 😀
@katomiler843
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the post, guys, another good video with practical, useful info. Bang for the buck, smoothness, stability, durability, for the age group racer, I have been super happy with Steve and Annie HED’s Jet series and RC Performance series wheels for decades. Save your money for bikes and race/fondo/century reg fees, travel expenses ❤
@jessejamesv
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. There just isn't enough comparison data on all the aero stuff out there.
@marks4471
Жыл бұрын
Seems like a marginal difference overall across the board. I'm even wondering if outside factors such as difference in wind may have influenced the results. On my 39.3-mile (63.2 km) ride this morning, I was 10 seconds /mile slower than the same ride yesterday morning because of the slight difference in wind direction/velocity! I want an aero bike!
@Xarx42
Жыл бұрын
I agree. As much as I appreciate the effort there are just so many questions. The wind can obviously change during the day. How did they measure the time at the start and finish? What tire pressure did they use (the Zipp rims are hookless and 5 bar is the maximum, did they use higher tire pressure with the other wheels or was it always 5 bar)? They should have also talked more about the differenct rim depth.
@Northwindbreeze
Жыл бұрын
Same time or not, quality wheels are a real thing. There are many other elements of performance when comparing wheels, not only speed.
@shaylorcyclingwahoolecol8313
Жыл бұрын
I got the campags in 45 for £1449 last year and I love them
@shanewiseman5729
Жыл бұрын
The only difference between well made cheaper wheels and expensive wheels besides the massive price difference is the marketing waffle.
@retsu1182
Жыл бұрын
The 10sec in time which come be due to numerous factors isnt worth spending £2000 more on but buying a wheel with better hubs like dt swiss and better spokes which will needs to true less and are more reliable is worth the extra money, companies sell a fad of 2 seconds faster over 40km instead of 4x more durable and longer lasting.
@Jacob99174
Жыл бұрын
Mmmm waffles
@harryrowland4734
Жыл бұрын
As a recreational cyclist, I wouldn't buy carbon anything, if I was young and still racing, I probably would. And as I wheelbuilder, I can honestly say that a good aluminium rim is better than carbon in every aspect except aerodynamics.
@MrBoggins1234
Жыл бұрын
@@Jacob99174 caramel mmmmm
@cecilordono6326
Жыл бұрын
And the hubs
@ESR66
Жыл бұрын
Lun 45mm and better fitness made a big difference in my speed.
@nickdalamagas3540
Жыл бұрын
Lun 45s or 50s? I thought they were hyper 50s.
@ESR66
Жыл бұрын
@@nickdalamagas3540 Lun is also made by Winspace with all the goodness of the Hypers but cheaper $798 USD
@joelmathews1013
Жыл бұрын
Wonder why you guys didn’t test the Winspace Hyper wheels especially with the massive uptake of those wheels in the cycling community
@stevegeek
Жыл бұрын
Interesting…I guessed there wouldn’t be much difference in the performance, good to see the numbers. I’d like to know how Vel 50 RL wheels would compare. Earlier this year I bought a set (on sale) from Sigma Sport and only paid about £400! They weigh ~1600g and are nice looking. Bargain for the price. I’d never be able to justify spending £1k+ for a set of hoops…my wife would kill me! 😂
@a1white
Жыл бұрын
Really useful video. Well done for dong such comprehensive testing. Shows that unless you are seriously racing, it's not really worth the massive price difference to your average rider
@SeraStaplz
Жыл бұрын
Comprehensive isn't the word I'd use, but it's nice to have this range side by side. Comprehensive would have a larger sample size of EACH wheel, be tested under more controlled circumstances, multiple times, and they would measure more factors than just time. And there's be a stock baseline to compare to.
@mzhuang4242
Жыл бұрын
The reason why Shimano's wheel is slow may be the grease. Shimano even put on their Dua ace wheel the ``Shimano premium grease''. But this grease is not for competition. I've replaced them with better grease (AZ BGR-001). But anyway, the Shimano wheel is expensive and thus other brands can be a better choice.
@davidnicholson6680
Жыл бұрын
This matches my anecdotal experiences. I have a set of 2019 ENVE 4.5SES wheels and they feel no faster than the 2022 Farsports Revo wheels I have on two other bikes. The Farsports are literally half the price of the ENVEs, have a slightly wider profile (~30mm external) and have exactly the same hubs as my particular ENVEs (240EXPs). The Revos also look better and have a solid rim bed which eliminates the need for tubeless tape, I run everything tubeless so that's important for me. IMO, the sweet spot for performance carbon wheels is ~$1,250. Any more than that doesn't get any faster, any less than that and you start getting lower quality OEM hubs and questionable build quality.
@gaza4543
Жыл бұрын
Depends on the oem hubs, I’ve had better experience with bitex and nova than dt Swiss and hope hubs I’ve owned. Hubs are a complete crap shoot. If the machining is out then it’s out regardless of price. Your bearings will forever prematurely wear what ever the brand. Hubs are some of the most overpriced things in cycling. And very hard to prove that there is a problem and an exspensive fix even if they give you new hub. Some of the china brands like elite and winspace. Hopefully this will drive down the costs of cycling products.
@MarkusFolkesson
Жыл бұрын
I should go for one of the cheapest, I like wide tiers so I should pick wide rims as well, like 21 mm. One with silent freehub and that can handle high weight and some bumbs
@richards4422
Жыл бұрын
Should have had one quality aluminum rim wheelset for comparison of cost vs speed vs weight.
@TheArchiveOfWonder
Жыл бұрын
Oftentimes Stans or other high quality AL wheels only weight 100g more than carbon anyhow.
@frankv2853
Жыл бұрын
Save your cash. Make sure you get a good hub, and forget weight. Unless you are ripped and trained to the max, do yourself a favour and skip the pies instead, or do some more training. Look for nearly new second hand wheels people with more money than sense take off their new bikes and sell. I bought a pair of DT Swiss PR1400 Dicut Oxic for £200 almost brand new. As good as I'd ever need. DT240 hubs.
@bikepackingadventure7913
Жыл бұрын
Was going to buy new carbon wheels But got to pay the gas and electric bills to survive instead 😐
@calvinminer4365
2 ай бұрын
At 7:48 you say "The speed of the wheel does not increase as you spend more money." I would've loved to see an X-Y scatter plot of speed to price to see that demonstrated.
@samharris82
Жыл бұрын
I once broke a mid-level Roval on a bike I bought used and Specialized gave me a brand new top-of-the-line complete wheelset under warranty for free. You don’t get that with cheap wheels!
@huntos83
Жыл бұрын
One of the main things I observe from the results is the difference in rim depth probably makes more difference than the value of the wheel. The 3 shallowest wheels at 50mm were the 3 slowest, the faster wheels were all circa 60mm.
@Xarx42
Жыл бұрын
Its a pity they didnt underline that (with an extra column eg).
@alex.pozgaj
Жыл бұрын
What this video is showing us is that the differences between the wheels, at least when it comes to speed, are - as expected - completely irrelevant. A few seconds up or down are negligible considering the price, and could also be easily attributed to the changing wind conditions.
@roadcc
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, we would buy the ones towards the cheaper end as in real world conditions the differences are so small :)
@JesseDishner
Жыл бұрын
Would love to have seen some "China Carbon" wheels compared: the cheap no name brand ones that are $300-$450 USD and are controversial because they have no brand name behind them.
@jesuscruz836
Жыл бұрын
Really great video gentlemen.
@roadcc
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it :)
@robbeelsas
Жыл бұрын
At these prices, it is ridiculous to not get Winspace Hyper or Elite Drive wheels
@stfu6397
Жыл бұрын
True
@yonglingng5640
Жыл бұрын
Or, one could configure a wheelset based on their wants and needs. For example: 40 front 50 rear Sapim CX-Ray spokes + Sapim brass nipples DT Swiss 350 or any good hubset that doesn't cost a bomb A trustworthy wheel-building studio
@robbeelsas
Жыл бұрын
@@yonglingng5640 one could yes, but let's face it, most cyclists won't
@yonglingng5640
Жыл бұрын
@@robbeelsas Because 1) Many don't know wheels can be configured as a build like a frame-up bike build. 2) Many don't know what they truly want in a wheelset. 3) Brands, brand names are everything for some of them.
@robbeelsas
Жыл бұрын
@@yonglingng5640 you forgot: 4) Many do know but are simply not willing to put in the time to research the components that are 4.1) the best fit for their purposes and 4.2) work well together
@talleyrand3795
Жыл бұрын
Jamie had a good point when describing the wheels he'd choose. It may not be the fastest on paper but it feels faster. The phycological effect can't be underestimated when you're pushing yourself in a hard effort during a race or something.
@louis_sharp
Жыл бұрын
Not having DT SWISS represented is a crime.
@zachrharon
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see the new Mavics COSMIC SLRs being tested. They don't seem to pop up in tests much these days don't they?
@DnDMF
Жыл бұрын
7:50 - 7:59 very important point . Great video guys. I really liked the fact that you added your opinions on feel and the negatives.
@devinmorrison7131
Жыл бұрын
Surprising to not see Winspace on this lineup, by far the best all rounder for performance, looks, price.
@neil4701
Жыл бұрын
Campagnolo WTOs might have been faster with 23mm on the front (which will expand to nearly 25mm), as they are 26.5mm externally. That's how I ride them (with 25mm on the back).
@owensnicholas
Жыл бұрын
I keep looking at carbon wheels and keep making the decision to stick with the alloys that came with my bike. It doesn’t matter whether I do it a little faster. I’m out there for the exercise.
@JogBird
Жыл бұрын
i bought carbon wheels 50% because they look cool, 40% becuase theyre lighter, and 10% the cool high engagement sound .. theyre a luxury item and so value is irrelevant
@andreytsoy44
Жыл бұрын
I would chose between, winspace,farsports,light bicycle,yoeleo those are excellent wheels too
@caperider1160
Жыл бұрын
For the weekend warriors and cycle enthusiasts, strength and durability are more important than merely a 2-3watts savings at 40km/h
@rah4981
Жыл бұрын
If you can afford carbon wheels then buy it. Hobbies are expensive anyway, at least cycling is a healthy hobby. It probably will not make you any faster , but they look good, and I love he "swoosh" sound they make when I'm riding fast 🤗
@roadcc
Жыл бұрын
Well put!
@gregoryflinn3577
Жыл бұрын
Good to know. What really would have been interesting is to normalise the bearings and see if that reduces the (minimal) differences. But I guess I’ll stick with my aluminium rims anyway.
@daviddjerassi
Жыл бұрын
Excellent no BS straight to the point for me the Hunt 50 wide aero thank you guys.
@FunkiSiWat
Жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison- thanks! Would be more so with a baseline shallow wheel. Any idea by how much slower
@roadcc
Жыл бұрын
Good question and one that we're keen to answer properly, look out for another video in the new year, box section vs 30 vs 40 vs 50, vs 80
@FunkiSiWat
Жыл бұрын
@@roadcc thanks looking forward to that. Unleash the marginal geeks 🤓
@gaza4543
Жыл бұрын
Well I can can give you parcours answer between the ronde and the strada and thats 5 watts. So at 20mph your perhaps saving 2-3sec over 10miles BUT it will heavily depend on how areo your tiers are too
@peternijssen8708
7 ай бұрын
I am really interested in a test of the Dutch Scope wheels more specific the R4D. These are 45mm in dept disc road wheels.
@cfau6290
Жыл бұрын
I have ridden different sets over the time (Mavics, Fulcrum, Roval, Cheap chinese ones and some more), imo the Roval ClX wheelset was the worst..yes sure they are fast on flats but when racing you will loose those gained 10seconds on the first downhill section..worst perfomrance on downhills and curves ever..on the other spectrum sits the cheap chinese ones..lol its kinda strange but the only thing i use my Rovals nowadays is for cold winter rides on the flats..when racing i always choose the chinese ones and they did cost a fraction of the CLXs
@sfdint
Жыл бұрын
That's amazing! I recently bought a set of Ryet carbon wheels for $430 and I am very pleased with them. I really think that with the prestige brands you're paying a huge premium for the logo.
@davidhunternyc1
5 ай бұрын
Are there any titanium or aluminum wheels that are as light, as fast, and more durable than carbon wheels? It seems to be that advances in material science would also favor advances in metal wheel technology too.
@victorlorenzo3959
2 ай бұрын
Factually, this is not possible for one basic reason: the density of carbon fibre is 1.5 times lower than that of aluminium and 2.5 times lower than that of titanium: carbon fibre is anisotropic, which means that the direction of the fibres can be managed according to the desired mechanical characteristics, whereas aluminium, titanium or magnesium alloys are isotropic, which means that the mechanical reactions of the wheels cannot be optimised. So carbon fiber is the most optimised for this, and now we can optimise it even further with magnesium spokes or titanium and magnesium hub for example (magnesium density: 1.8, very hard material but bad elasticity so risk of shattering if it breaks and does not allow the elastic effect nor the optimal absorption of carbon fibre)
@davidhunternyc1
2 ай бұрын
@@victorlorenzo3959 Thank you for the explanation. 🙌🏼
@KG-ch6tm
Жыл бұрын
Winspace Hypers are better than most all of those wheels what are you afraid of 🤔
@sandydennylives1392
Жыл бұрын
Being a heavier rider I've never veered off alu wheels. There are huge speed gains based on weight and hub quality but none have failed on build quality. Campag rule the roost for me, 26 mm tires on Zonda's are my go to on my terrible roads, I might go up the alu chain when covid is over. There is too much traffic to race near me unless it's stop light to stop light so carbon wheels are pointless for me. A much lighter rider on baby smooth roads might get some benefit, if those roads exist.
@pierrex3226
Жыл бұрын
So 60mm wheels are materially faster than 50mm wheels. Other than that the difference between sets is a bit hard to see.
@TheCountrySteve
Жыл бұрын
That in itself is a valid result - if they're all similar, why buy the expensive ones?
@TheAntoine191
Жыл бұрын
Really surprised the roval CL2 is using round spoke, does not look to slow them a lot. Looks like spesh really makes a difference with their rims here.
@ronanroesch9408
Жыл бұрын
There is also Bontrager Aeolus, a great 1k alternative.
@ivangroznii
8 ай бұрын
Great reviews 🎉 I wish you guys would make a review on the scribe wheels. I've been racing on them for the past few years and had great success. I'd like to see how they stand up to the competition according to you.
@roadcc
8 ай бұрын
Cheers Ivan! We'll be doing another one of these tests this year so will try to include the Scribes!
@alexteow7021
5 ай бұрын
Look forward to this! Especially the new Scribe Elan SL
@chrisgravel7157
Жыл бұрын
As a HED RC6 Pro owner (30g lighter rim weight, 150g overall) this test just relinquished my desire to try something else. I think their damn fast, comfy and stiff. Do I wish they were a little lighter/snappier on climbs - yes but on rolling terrian where they really belong their brilliant.
@8rk
8 ай бұрын
Got 2 sets of pros as well. They really killed my desire for anything else. They look so badass to boot.
@911Sam
Жыл бұрын
I bought the Fulcrum Wind 40 DB wheels to replace those horrible aluminium anchors on my Aethos Comp. I would have liked to have something more high-end, but realised that I don’t race and Wiggle sold a pair for about 1,000 euros (not GBP). I think it was a good bargain, they are nice to ride. Though heavy, they are good enough for a complete amateur like me. Probably I would buy Roval Alpinist CL if I had the cash!
@kidShibuya
Жыл бұрын
Winspace Hyper would be my choice
@mikeengland8331
Жыл бұрын
The Winspace brand has achieved fantastic reviews. Liam please have a look at them, it will be worth it.
@nickdalamagas3540
Жыл бұрын
Majority of Hyper reviews on build quality, durability & speed have been fantastic. Right up there with the best if not better 👍
@pigupigu
Жыл бұрын
Why do you think they excluded them from this video? They decimate all
@PeakTorque
Жыл бұрын
One run on each wheel isn't really enough. No wind data captured?
@roadcc
Жыл бұрын
We didn't think wind tunnel testing was necessary here. Here's our disclaimer from the article we've published on the site: Whilst every effort was made to make this a fair test, we realise that as with any real-world testing, it is not possible to control all the variables; therefore we accept that our results are not going to be in any way definitive. We're certainly not saying our best-performing wheelset is the out-and-out fastest in all conditions, but hopefully you'll find the test entertaining and the results an interesting extra bit of information to bear in mind when shopping for your next set of race wheels.
@PeakTorque
Жыл бұрын
@@roadcc Cheers and fair enough. But i meant wind and airspeed data from the rides, not wind tunnel
@collectivesartori
Жыл бұрын
@@roadcc was there any cross wind at all? You mentioned it in the vid but all the incidental footage suggests it was a dead still day
@red00tl
Жыл бұрын
I had the exactly same experience with Jamie that when I had a 26c tire on my Roval Rapide I hit a road furniture with the rim 'cause the 26c tire wasn't wide enough to protect the rim. Luckily I didn't hit it too hard and could get away with only a scuff mark on the rim though. Ever since that, I have been using 28c tires on the Rapide wheels.
@gregmorrison7320
Жыл бұрын
What is the inside width of these rims and is it a result of the hookless design or the width of the rim? Asking as I'm considering getting wider but not hookless rims.
@red00tl
Жыл бұрын
@@gregmorrison7320 Roval Rapide wheels are hooked; I believe this has to do more with the discrepancy between the outer width and the inner width of the rim, particularly on the front wheel where I got hit. The inner width is 21mm whereas the outer width of the front wheel is 35mm.
@sepg5084
Жыл бұрын
Being worth it or not depends on your disposable income and your purpose of use. If you earn $400k a year, a set of aerodynamic carbon wheels costing $2k is not that expensive even if you just regularly putter along at 25kph with it. Also, why were the graphs and table not sorted by speed/time?
@theodoros1126
Жыл бұрын
its a shame you did not try the Winspace Lun 60 with steal bearings and spokes priced at 663 pounds or their race version called Winspace Hyper with ceramic bearings and carbon spokes priced at 994 pounds . You would have been suprised ....
@roadcc
Жыл бұрын
Next time!
@83dsvhtubb
Жыл бұрын
What about enve and Princeton carbon?
@MrBoggins1234
Жыл бұрын
Most of us have moved on, savvy research can see that a few select Taiwanese and Chinese manufacturers that the western brands made their ungainly profit margins upon, have risen up and stood on their own two feet. No more western marketing b*ll*x and triple the price for us.
@klx-y
Жыл бұрын
I bought a pair of vision 55 rim brake for 700 pounds yseterday
@davecech4741
Жыл бұрын
Not a bunch of difference here...small differences in wind between the runs could also be contributing to the difference in times. I am riding on Roval wheels both on my roadie as well as my MTB, good value for what I paid, they work well and have been pretty robust. Only one broken spoke on my MTB, and probably because I hit something.
@6SpeedTA95
Жыл бұрын
Two Hunt's, two HED's and no Swiss Side? WTF mates.
@ryanw8987
Жыл бұрын
It's good to have another set of data like this. I feel a good next test is to take the two lowest performing and two highest performing wheels and try to set them up with the best tires for their profile, then see what difference remains. I understand wanting to use the same tires for controlling a variable, but with varying rim widths it can give an advantage to wider wheelsets. I get the trend is towards wider tires, but if someone is focusing on 10 mile TT's or rides mostly on smooth roads, it could be worth it to them to use a 23c tire if they can save $1k and still get similar speed savings. Especially since they'd really only need to do it on the front wheel; they could stay wider on the back for more comfort with little to no aero penalty.
@Onigure
Жыл бұрын
Excelent video. I have a pair of Elite Drive wheels from China. They feel good for 1000 usd.
@lengc83
Жыл бұрын
Go ride a set of Vision metron, your jaw will dropped.
@danielakerman8241
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVE the quiet “Swiss watch” freehub sound of the Ultegra wheels. Shame it performed like such a dog. On a 100 mile ride, those differences add up
@mohamadjamil3164
Жыл бұрын
Please do the same on shallow rims
@occyman
Жыл бұрын
Probably one of the worst “tests” I’ve seen on KZitem…
@spinnetti
Жыл бұрын
would like to see you test the cheapie Chinese wheels you can get online for a fraction of the price. I got a couple different sets and they seem pretty good; certainly lighter and faster than the standard Mavics my bike came with.
@God_Bolt
Жыл бұрын
Would be cool if you get your hands on the new CADEX 50 Ultra to test and compare them
@JFomo
Жыл бұрын
Disappointed in those Zipp454s bc they're my dream wheels 😣 Need another video with the same wheels doing a climb. I'm sure the Zipps will make a comeback.
@kpizzle1985
Жыл бұрын
I doubt it 😬
@collectivesartori
Жыл бұрын
They talked about crosswind but it looked like a really still day where they were. The zipps are comparatively very stable in higher crosswinds
@azliazzuri2801
Жыл бұрын
i own Roval Rapide CLX and Zipp 454s. Both are upgrade to Coated Ceramicspeed Wheel Bearinng. Tomorrow i test myself...
@JFomo
Жыл бұрын
@@azliazzuri2801 I was thinking to upgrade my wheel bearings to ceramicspeed. I have the Zipp 404s and tbh I don't think they are that fast. Maybe some new bearings would help.
@MTBScotland
Жыл бұрын
just paid £171 for Vel RL28 alu wheel. They weigh 1596g. Also had Vel RL 50 on offer got £360 but heavier.
@mikefreitas1331
Жыл бұрын
For me (amateur fat rider) living in Madeira Island, i just want light wheight and safety. This is worst than the Alpes here. I would like to see a test of china wheels... winspace - elite- ican - yoeleo - velobuild - trifox - etc
@Ans12237
Жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for putting in that amount of effort. I'd love to see a similar video about alloy wheels, which are a more realistiv choice for a lot of us.
@jerryjin3427
Жыл бұрын
I will be willing to see the difference between BORA WTO and BORA ULTRA WTO though, the old top-tier versus the new top-tier. How "ultra" will the difference be aside form the price.
@rantingwrench
Жыл бұрын
Two comments: 1) The price difference might not be justified in speed, but it will probably show itself in build quality. Be it the quality of the build itself (even spoke tensions, etc) or the longevity of the bearings, you probably are getting more for your money with the more expensive wheels. At least, you'd hope so... 2) By definition, if you do the same 300W for the same time in your race, you're not going to finish with more energy on the fastest wheels because energy = power * time. If you're putting out the same power for the same duration, then you're expending the same energy. What you're really hoping is that the wheels save you time...
@zbeasty
Жыл бұрын
Would like to have seen the Reynolds Aero 65 DB and the Fulcrum Speed 55 Cmptzn DB. I'm waiting for my new Merida Reacto 9000 that comes with the Reynolds so interested to see how they fare. The Fulcrums are about the same price as the Campys but get the better hub bearings that come in the Ultra version of the Campys (worth a couple of watts according to Fulcrum). Actually it would be interesting to see a comparison of all 3 different Fulcrum 55s (Wind/Speed/Speed Cmptzn) to see what EUR1,000 gets you in terms of performance.
@mek3007
Жыл бұрын
Would be great to discuss each wheelset in more depth: feel, sound on the road, cross winds, and have a flat/rolling test as well as a climb test. Many people own or are considering these different wheelsets and it would be more informative as to a personal pros/cons comparison for individuals interested in a particular set of wheels or decision between different sets or an additional set with different characteristics.
@Sycliste
Жыл бұрын
I own a pair of Scope R5 on a reasonably priced aero / endurance bike (Rose Reveal) and a pair of Scope R3 on a 2018 Cannondale Synapse Hi-mod built as a lightweight climbing bike and I am very satisfied with both sets. Could be worth testing next time :) (PS : the freehubs are VERY LOUD ...)
@derekkuhl
Жыл бұрын
I would have also liked a wheel by wheel commentary about subjective cornering and comfort of each wheelset. You have established that the speed differences are small, but do some feel better so that you would like to have them on your bike? Great video though!
@Digi20
Жыл бұрын
Get a wide, medium deep high quality direct-sell chinese rim (farsports, light bicycle, f.e.) with the quality hub you desire (f.e. dt350 is bomb proof and easy to service, dt240 a bit lighter (not that you would feel it on the hub)) and if you are on disc brakes and your frame supports it, put a 28, 30 or 32mm tire on with low pressure, and enjoy the smooth fast and stable ride. lightbicycle WR45 with DT350 and a 30mm tire is a dream combination that does not break the bank. that is all you will ever need in a super nice professionally made and shipped package. there is no need to shell out more money, it will not give you more speed, nor will it get you more quality. on the contrary, a small italian "handmade" "botique" brand will have a hard time making carbon stuff the same quality that a big chinese oem does in high numbers day in and day out. also, the hubs are often not as good, but are often overlooked when buying wheels. a good alternative can be even cheaper wheels like from Prime - you do loose on the quality hub and brand spokes, but most of the time those are also okay, especially for the price. buy from a big shop, that way you know there are no unreasonable high warranty claims or otherwise they would not sell them anymore. the only thing i would advice against are super cheap aliexpress carbon wheels. there are nice ones around, but if you do not know what you are doing this is money saved in the wrong place.
@robbeelsas
Жыл бұрын
Or you can just get a complete wheel from Lun/Winspace or Elite and call it a day (never forget most cyclists are lazy)
@Digi20
Жыл бұрын
@@robbeelsas thats also possible when you dont want to configure yourself, yes :)
@kpizzle1985
Жыл бұрын
@@Digi20 I have a pair of Light Bicycle AR56 and love then. £550, 1500 grams and extremely stable. I've ridden them in storms and they haven't budged!
@Digi20
Жыл бұрын
@@kpizzle1985 yes, i was also very impressed with the crosswind stability of my WR45/WR65, they are much better than my previous much shallower rims. but those where only 22mm external with a bulbing tire, seems the wide U shape is much more stable with a matching tire.
@Beinhartwie1chopper
Жыл бұрын
Great Test, DT Swiss erc/arc were missing.
@jamesmckenzie3532
Жыл бұрын
People crank on Specialized, but as these tests show, they must have some idea on what they are doing. But I love that H.E.D. is still out there and still doing quite well. Kudos to his Widow and those running the company now. What really surprised me the most was how well the Chinese knockoffs did.
@user-nu5fx6en9h
Жыл бұрын
Zipp nsw is a pair of monster wheel, the stability it’s just so good in cross wind or during downhill and noticeably more free speed. Totally worth it
@jesikat
Жыл бұрын
Shame didn't include any of the so-called "chinese" wheelsets of lesser recognised brands, like Yoeleo, Winspace Hypers, etc., some of which are supposed to be faster than the brands tested above.
@jesikat
Жыл бұрын
Also a shame nobody can do sub-1100g deep carbon wheels nearly 10 years on from Mad Fiber's demise.
@quarkonium3795
Жыл бұрын
@@jesikat What about the Lightweight Meilensteins? Super expensive but I think they're sub-1000g
@jesikat
Жыл бұрын
@@quarkonium3795 the special tubs are, their clincher is 1290g and only mildly deep
@savagepro9060
Жыл бұрын
I ride on cheap no name Chinese carbon tubulars. Case Closed!
@Yossarian_Lives73
Жыл бұрын
Maybe next time drop in a shallow wheelset I.E Campag 35 as a control wheel to test aero benefits of deeper rims
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