The CATL's Shenxeng LFP battery is better than BYD's Blade battery. Probably the best LFP battery on the market today is Zeekr's LFP "golden battery" with 4.5C charging and cell energy density of 255 Wh/kg, compared to the BYD Blade with 3C charging and cell energy density of 165 Wh/kg.
@user-ws1qf7ol4k
7 ай бұрын
Very interesting! I always take forecasts with a grain of lithium. Sorry!!! There are so many advances in the works... But to these old eyes, things are lookin' good!
@jennydavidstokesjones8454
6 ай бұрын
It's not an unreasonable forecast, with major battery makers like CATL already achieving better than 90% recovery of battery-grade materials including lithium from EOL EV batteries, and starting to build 'circular' battery factories with production on one side and recycling on the other.
@larryevans6739
7 ай бұрын
For lithium, sea water extraction will increasingly displace mining. Desalination is needed to supply water in many places, which concentrates brines in the process. It takes energy to extract the lithium from that brine, but we are increasingly having regular oversupplies of renewable energy to power the process.
@st-ex8506
7 ай бұрын
There is also plenty of underground high-lithium content brines in many countries. Anyway, there is more than enough lithium.
@billcichoke2534
7 ай бұрын
Um...where? There isn't one single solar or wind farm that powers ANY grid without coal or gas or nukes or hydro. There ISN'T an oversupply; there's a DEFICIT, which is why more and more BLACKOUTS are happening.
@RT-mv7df
7 ай бұрын
At the magnitude that we need to consume lithium, sodium, magnesium, phosphate, etc, I wonder what that will do to the PH of our oceans & waterways? These alkaline salts/metals tend to counteract acidity. It's this a recipe for acidic oceans that kill fish & marine species? Humans are the worst at not planning for the unintended consequences of a seemingly good idea.
@st-ex8506
7 ай бұрын
@@RT-mv7df It is the first time I hear that piece of crap. Kudos for your imagination! Lithium, as well as sodium salts are, as we all know from everyday experience, extremely soluble. What can be leached by rain water is already in the ocean. What can be found on land is contained in places where there is no leaching. So, no! Exploiting those salts and other mineral firms on land will change nothing to the pH of the ocean. However, to keep burning oil definitely does, as most of the CO2 emitted finds its way in the ocean’s water, where it very clearly acidify its pH by forming carbonic acid with water.
@straighttalk2069
7 ай бұрын
@@RT-mv7df The viking just said recycling is the future.
@Knott1701
7 ай бұрын
Wonder if they included the impact of sodium ion batteries on the need to lithium?
@andrewsaint6581
6 ай бұрын
I think that once there's enough above ground the need to mine reduces. Batteries whatever their constituents, as an example are a purer ore than from the ground. That just makes mining less viable.
@TheCostofAutism
6 ай бұрын
Considering that 99% of the infrastructure is already tilted towards Lithium, more likely than not Lithium batteries will continue to be manufactured for the foreseeable future. With that said, Sodium batteries would be perfect for stationary storage, especially in colder climates.
@Knott1701
6 ай бұрын
@@TheCostofAutism Yep, there's a lot of momentum and infrastructure around Lithium The FT did a chart last year, they projected Sodium Ion in cars should still only be ~20% by 2030. Interesting to see what happens!
@BMWHP2
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the work in this video. Good numbers and hopeful for us going forward.
@josephlammardo
7 ай бұрын
Even the idea, of a closed loop system is better than “business as usual”.
@poneill65
7 ай бұрын
@2:28 Gold, rather famously, doesn't rust 🙂
@ronin4580
7 ай бұрын
True, but rust never sleeps.
@rogergeyer9851
7 ай бұрын
@@ronin4580: Or tarnish or noticeably change, as it's inert. Which is of course one of its most valuable properties for long term investment. Oh, and it;s not dependent on software or the honesty of the keepers of various crypto schemes. (At least the BTC ETF's removes much of the scam/theft risk, re trading).
@spadress
7 ай бұрын
I think it was just a figure of speech, in the sense of letting it sit and do nothing
@fomori2
6 ай бұрын
@@spadress "I think it was just a figure of speech, in the sense of letting it sit and do nothing"-- It is a rather stupid saying actually that only science illiterate people would have found profound.
@Goodkiwibloke
7 ай бұрын
Aluminium is a highly recyclable metal, taking only 5% of the energy to recycle vs virgin production. But the world still makes millions of tonnes of virgin aluminium every year. Lead, another highly recyclable metal, has literally been used for millennia. It is also still being mined today So I take any "closed loop" metal recycling predictions with a large dose of scepticism But I am ready to cash-in, if this becomes reality - I have built my home battery system from degraded EV batteries. Currently, I have 8 EV batteries in my system and I add more as I do battery swaps for EV owners who want to extend their EV's useful life
@subwayfacemelt4325
7 ай бұрын
You rock man!! Be safe.
@GabrielSBarbaraS
7 ай бұрын
counter point - we recycle lead acid batteries ( Typically around 130 million lead batteries are recycled in the US annually, and the 99% recycling rate makes them the most recycled consumer product.) , however ,Lead is very much mined today . Current World production of lead is around 4.5 million tonnes. Don't mean to disagree with you Viking, but we may always need raw materials as the ICE age ends.
@anarex0929
6 ай бұрын
Electric Viking is a obvious fraud if you watch av china and other news networks, they show how full of shit the chines are and by extension this blond man with no facts he can back.
@emmanuelgutierrez8616
6 ай бұрын
I think the big difference is that public transport is on the rise + Teslas self driving will eliminate the need for individually owned cars and ratio of cars per capita will drop drastically, bonus that they will get more efficient and might even include solar in the body panels to further reduce the size of thr battery.
@JohnBoen
6 ай бұрын
Lead is mined for many other purposes than the creation of car batteries
@GabrielSBarbaraS
6 ай бұрын
good point @@JohnBoen
@gj1234567899999
6 ай бұрын
But lead is used in many other things other than batteries. However it can’t be denied that lead recycling has greatly reduced demand. If lead batteries weren’t recycled we would need far more than 4.5 million tons of lead mined per year.
@patrickkoller7705
7 ай бұрын
Not sure if we will get something like in the glass industry, although can be recycled it is expensive to transport and to keep the purity, today it’s cheaper to use raw materials.
@matthewharding-ew1ts
6 ай бұрын
Excellent news. Happy for the child Labour who mine Cobalt in Africa.
@AlanWilliams-su4bs
7 ай бұрын
When I bought my Leaf 30 months ago the salesman told me nothing at alll. Fortunately the manual was online.
@mv80401
7 ай бұрын
Beats being told a load of crap and believing it :)
@Gusman007
7 ай бұрын
WRONG! If the main use of mined lithium was for car batteries then I would agree. However as EV & battery tech matures truck and heavy industry use will eclipse car use, and house storage will be significant as well. But also grid storage for green energy generation and peaker plant replacement will be more than all of the above!
@MrGMawson2438
7 ай бұрын
Cheers Sam
@geoff37s57
7 ай бұрын
So many “experts”, so few facts.
@francisdebriey3609
7 ай бұрын
I love your hair ! Like Tintin ! I am from Belgium so Tintin is a legend ... as important as belgian fries with mayonnaise or andalouse sauce, or belgian chocolates 😂
@djfireblade
7 ай бұрын
#Straya 🇦🇺
@steveoconnell3228
7 ай бұрын
it would be nice to think that in thirty years we are still worried about how batteries are made, unfortunately the way things are going there might be bigger issues, but hey love your videos Sam
@dylanthomas12321
7 ай бұрын
I loved the Christopher Walken BMW electric commercial that played at the end of your podcast. Epic. You're hitting the big time, Sam!
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
7 ай бұрын
🤗THANKS SAM , HAVE A GREAT DAY 🤗💚💚💚
@dtomaz1
7 ай бұрын
Already started…mineral prices are dropping so fast they are cancelling projects. No one mines or recycles for pennies.
@Jason-bu9sv
7 ай бұрын
Why would you not want to mine, mining is one of the great human endeavors. I don't know why people whose lives are dependent on mining despise it the same folk also appear despise farming and the other endeavors that make civilization possible.
@subwayfacemelt4325
7 ай бұрын
They're magical people in a magical world. Too much fi, not enough sci.
@ChristianThePagan
7 ай бұрын
There will always be mining because there will always be new applications for these batteries and demaand will always outstrip what economists estimate.
@juliahello6673
7 ай бұрын
Eventually there will be more batteries than atoms in the universe
@CiaranMcHale
7 ай бұрын
I agree. Jevons Paradox states that as something gets easier and cheaper to use, demand for it goes up. For example, batteries have been getting cheaper, which helps to reduce the price of EVs, which then results in demand for EVs (and the batteries in EVs) to increase. We can think of improvements in energy and power densities of batteries being a way in which batteries get easier to use, and this will result in new applications for batteries, for example, in airplanes and ships. If/when humanoid robots mature to the point of being useful and autonomous and affordable, then demand for them (and hence the batteries they use) will increase dramatically. Autonomous delivery drones (think of Amazon, grocery shopping, and home-delivered convenience food) might be another growth area that can increase demand for batteries. It looks like neither the "experts" nor Sam know about Jevons Paradox, so what they claim about mining for batteries coming to an end in the near future should be taken with a large grain of salt.
@juliahello6673
7 ай бұрын
The Jevons Paradox is not an absolute law. It works in certain cases, and even then only to a certain level of demand. Demand elasticity is not infinite. It is also not meant for situations where technologies change. If robotaxis become viable (which require fewer batteries because of fewer and smaller vehicles ) then that is a new technology and Jevons Paradox is not relevant. Overall,, Jevons Paradox is "something to consider", not a absolute law like gravity. Sometimes it applies, sometimes it doesn't.@@CiaranMcHale
@ChristianThePagan
7 ай бұрын
@@CiaranMcHale It's kind of like internet bandwidth. Every time somebody comes up with new network technology the added bandwidth gets chewed up almost instantly by new services, more and higher resolution media content, video conferencing, ... etc, etc, ... and yet, every single time, people are completely surprised by this phenomenon.
@CiaranMcHale
7 ай бұрын
@@juliahello6673 You claim that Jevons Paradox is "something to consider" rather than an absolute law like gravity. I agree. The issue I have is that this video suggests that both the "experts" and Sam have *failed to consider* Jevons Paradox in their analysis. That is sufficient reason to consider the analysis to be likely flawed. As for the potential for robotaxis to significantly reduce the number of vehicles on the road... I think that hypothesis comes from Tony Seba (and has been unquestioningly repeated on several KZitem channels), but I have watched Tony Seba's videos and read most of his books/reports, and I noticed that Tony Seba has never mentioned the possibility of Jevons Paradox acting against his hypothesis that robotaxis will significantly reduce the total number of cars on the road (and, for that reason, that hypothesis is one of the few by Tony Seba that I think is likely flawed). Jeff Speck presented a few TED Talks on the topic of "walkable cities". Those talks are based on material in his book "Walkable City", which I am currently reading. One of the points Jeff Speck makes in his book is that demand for a taxi service (or public transport, such as busses and trains) can thrive best in a walkable city. I think of robotaxis as being (from a consumer's point of view) a cheaper and possibly more convenient form of taxi service so, if Jeff Speck is correct, robotaxis are likely to thrive best (to the point where they significantly reduce private car ownership) in walkable cities. Unfortunately, a great many (perhaps most) cities are not walkable, so this suggests that the ability of robotaxis to significantly reduce private car ownership (and the batteries used in cars) will be limited.
@hindesite
7 ай бұрын
Same argument could be applied to almost any other resource. When did we stop mining for plastic? We can't even recycle glass properly, and that is easy.
@arleneallen8809
7 ай бұрын
Mildly interesting, but there will always be mining. Saying we will not mine or process any particular element someday is like the patent office clerk that said we should close it because there is nothing left to invent. Lithium, nickel, manganese, phosphates, iron, magnesium, aluminum, silicon, limestone, etc. are in massive use besides EVs. Cobalt will likely wind down as fossil fuels go away, but it also has its uses.
@MrGMawson2438
7 ай бұрын
9.597 million km² China is 9.6 million km2, whilst the UK is 243,000 km2. That means that China is 39 times bigger than the UK. An equivalent comparison is that the Leaning Tower of Pisa is 39 times taller than the average UK woman.
@SanePerson1
7 ай бұрын
A reason that China will get to full-replacement recycling is that China's population is projected to decline by 220 million between now and 2060, more than 15%. The US population is projected to increase by 40 million, almost 12%.
@TheCostofAutism
7 ай бұрын
The reality is that those mines will still need to stay open because you're probably going to see even more batteries made for stationary storage then you will for automobiles. Additionally with stationary storage even once the capacity of the batteries falls below 50% odds are that they won't bother to change the batteries for quite some time, unless it's an area that would be prohibitively expensive to add new capacity.
@macmcleod1188
7 ай бұрын
Just keep in mind that not all energy storage takes the form of batteries.
@TheInsaneupsdriver
7 ай бұрын
Never, you'll always need to replace some of the material.
@horridohobbies
7 ай бұрын
People who criticise China for building coal-powered plants are profoundly ignorant because their view lacks nuance. China needs lots and lots of energy. No one source can totally satisfy this need. Therefore, it pursues a mix of energy production, including coal, oil, hydro, solar, wind, and nuclear. Rather than focusing on coal and oil, the correct question to ask is: What is China's *net* carbon production? Is it going down? And the answer is yes.
@billfrehe6620
7 ай бұрын
Are we really going to not need more batteries? I foresee enormous battery plants for storing energy during the day from solar collectors. I don't see how we ever stop needing more batteries.
@randomoldbloke
7 ай бұрын
Hey sam when are you going to take me up on the offer of taking a ev to cape York using only public charges?
@teslabulls1238
7 ай бұрын
Wait! Didn't Toyota say that there were not enough materials to have enough batteries we will need? (This is sarcasm)
@JoeyBlogs007
7 ай бұрын
They meant not enough Toyota batteries. (This is sarcasm)
@i6power30
7 ай бұрын
I have mixed feelings about Toyota. They make good reliable cars that have strong resale value only if they would apply that to the EVs most of which are currentlyl throw away appliances after warranty period due to high repair cost.
@st-ex8506
7 ай бұрын
@@i6power30 What high repair costs? My Tesla Model 3 hasn't seen a mechanic shop in 5 years and 90'000+ miles! I... or somebody else.... will indeed throw it away... in 20 years or so...
@i6power30
7 ай бұрын
@@st-ex8506 if you get a minor fender bender
@teslabulls1238
7 ай бұрын
@@i6power30 Agreed. Toyota could have been a leader in creating EVs. However, they instead decided to be a roadblock. Most of the time they resort to gaslighting. They will say they will have a top of the line solid state battery and never actually produce it. They will say that they are going to start a new line of EVs and then a week later say that EVs are a dead technology that cannot be successful.
@donaldparry5157
7 ай бұрын
Of course ingredients for grid batteries will continue to be extracted (unless molten salt or other tech can be ramped up) for decades as long as China and India and other countries use energy at a similar rate per capita as I do!
@perengstrom3414
7 ай бұрын
The Pinnacle of normal people cars, from my point of view as a "normal person", is the 2013 Ford Focus station wagon. I have one, it is excellent. Practical, good comfort, economical. Build an electric version of the 2013 Ford Focus, with hydraulic steering, cruise control that holds the speed until I decide to change it, manual headlights with big reflectors and Lumens output equal to, but not exeeding, that of 55W Halogen. I like it to have a 10" display with Android Auto, but not bigger. Android Auto is the only upgrade I want. If Ford sold that car today, an electric Ford Focus 2013, I would buy it in a heart beat! I have the economy today to by a new car, but I will not buy a new car of today, beeping at everything, pulling the steering wheel, pressing the pedals while I am driving - essentially forcing me to be a robotaxi. I hate that! If an electric, no nosense, 2013 Ford Focus with 10" display and Android Auto where available on the market today - I would buy it without hesitation. I DON'T WANT 500 HP! I DON'T WANT AUTOMATIC STEERING! I DON'T WANT AUTOMATIC BRAKING (ok, radar cruise control is nice, BUT I HATE DATABASE AND CAMERA CRUISE CONTROL THAT ERRONIOUSLY BRAKES THE CAR DOWN TO 30km/h ON 90km/h HIGHWAYS !)! I want an economic no nonsense electric car! Not a car that forces me to drive like a robot! Less automation PLEASE!!! Less Lumens on new cars, PLEASE!!! I get headache from oncoming traffic with high power LEDs and "automatic light adjustment". A question for the auto makers and the law makers: If you have automatic high power LED head lights and adjust them down on a wet pavement - where does the light reflect and who is affected? Addendum regarding head lights: if you have head light glass 1" high 8" wide - what happens if a spec of dirt lands on the glass? Is the light beam still in focus or is it diffracted in every direction? Yes, it is a rethoric question, the designed smart looking head light is sending the concentrated light beam everywhere! The solution as invented decades ago, big reflectors and big head light glass makes dirt less of an issue regarding the light beam diffraction. Big head light reflectors are a good thing if you are concerned about traffic safety. Reasonable Lumens are also a big win regarding traffic safety. Sorry for the extended edit, English is not my first language.
@RT-mv7df
7 ай бұрын
We've lost the logical pragmatism of the boomers for the absurd fanciness & tech of the zoomers.
@geoff37s57
7 ай бұрын
Conjecture is not “data”.
@danielmadar9938
7 ай бұрын
Thanks
@user-yi8uu1du3b
7 ай бұрын
We've had re-cycling for years with lead acid batteries. Maybe less so now because of manufacturing tech that uses far less lead and they last at least 10 years compared to 2 in the 1960s. Lithium is a stop-gap, there are cheaper core metals and they are already being used in the a cheap car, watch this space. Given the same 60 year leap, who knows what kind of batteries will dominate. But yea not just batteries, the whole car will have to be re-cyclable - Europe has those laws in place now. Enforcement is the next phase.
@RT-mv7df
7 ай бұрын
This whole EV concept is really just a scam to make everything more expensive b/c the industry & national gov't's have reached the limit of their growth phases. Without a new industry to spur manufacturing & production, these economies were on the brink of a major decline & already trending down before the covid pandemic. The "save the environment" theme is a lie as the total overall plundering of resources occurring to build these new EVs is worse for the environment than using what already exists. Yeah, we'll no longer need to mine for lithium, etc in 3 decades, but that's bc with today's heavy miners & equipment, we are really good at excavating large amounts of earth & rock very quickly. Work these minerals being equivalent to the gold rush, you can bet these minerals are being pilfered with the dirtiest of methods to get the minerals as fast as possible to beat the other competitors. I do believe in 30 years we will have no more need for extraction bc the ramp rate of tons/yr will grow exponentially, so that by 2050 a substantial amount of the easy to access minerals in the top of the crust will be excavated, but at what cost to the landscape & our pristine environments?
@jamesp5301
7 ай бұрын
Good video. Will it be completely closed loop? Probably never but it will become very small. Also probably will be done off planet at some point
@ramblerandy2397
6 ай бұрын
Tbf, there may be a need for "top up" mining, here and there, for many, many years, even if battery materials are fully recycled. I guess experts can run the numbers on global saturation of the all use battery market, and then have a historic recycled market that eventually satisfies demand for materials. But that surely can't include as yet unknown new uses. Anyway, it's still very good news.
@robrider838
7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the recycling process isn’t 100% efficient, so some form of mining will always be required.
@BMWHP2
7 ай бұрын
Not yet 100%,but growing more to perfection every month. So the loss will be minimal. In any case, 99.999999999999% better than pumping up oil, refining it and than burning it. . . . . THAT is 100% destroyed.
@rozonoemi9374
7 ай бұрын
Only 5% of batteries can't be recycled. How much of petroleum used in ICE cars are recyclable?
@macmcleod1188
7 ай бұрын
@BMWHP2 more like 99% to 99.5%. However there are other battery technologies that use more common elements.
@TheInsaneupsdriver
7 ай бұрын
I don't think he's disagreeing with EV's just pointing out a scientific fact.@@rozonoemi9374
@tireddad6541
7 ай бұрын
@AI_effect vehicles will decrease, because of demographics and eventually Robotaxi? Maybe, certainly reasonable. But we need a lot more batteries for power grid. Then, start replacing. I will be dead by then, but it will be nice if humanity is able to handle. Oh, and supposedly fusion will be coming online about 2050.
@timothykeith1367
4 ай бұрын
Only 70 percent of battery lithium can be recycled using current processes. Unfortunately, the relatively small amount of recoverable lithium in a 900 pound battery is not worth very much.
@my2cents395
7 ай бұрын
As the cost of batteries decreases the market increases. There maybe Tesla's that have a battery life over 20 years. Redwood materials knows the mines of the future are the scrap of tomorrow.
@stevey_z
7 ай бұрын
I think there will be way more ev sales than there ever was gas cars as many poorer countries have no oil infrastructure but will have cheap evs soon so we are greatly underestimating ev market basing it off ice market
@RT-mv7df
7 ай бұрын
Sure, after its extracted from the surrounding components. The amount of time& cost to do that extraction safely urself makes recycling not cost effective. Example, there is very little recycling of gold & silver from old electronics. They just go in the landfill bc the cost to mine at substantially larger volumes is almost always cheaper than the multiple steps to properly extracti thru recycling.
@markeby6985
6 ай бұрын
Every chemical process has waste. It takes nearly infinite energy to reach 100% purity. The point of diminishing returns where the cost of added yield is greater than the value produced is generally in the 90 to 95% range for chemicals in general. It may be better for the less complex materials in batteries, but while the volume of obsolete batteries can easily reach a steady state with new batteries needed eventually the recycle yield loss will require some small level of replacement mining unless we truly reach energy super abundance.
@rbhebron
7 ай бұрын
why is it important to buy the battery pack incorporating them in the total cost of ownership.. if these battery pack can be replaced, why not just buy a car without the battery, & just lease the batteries.. this way, the EV manufacturer is responsible for the closed loop battery recycling.. this means EVs will dramatically lower cost of ownership & batteries does not just endup in landfills..
@TimRoach-hh7nf
7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately there are new electric cars sitting in lots because the way China works is the more cars you produce the more government money is given to the company. I honestly don’t know what they have done with those cars but that is a fact. Let’s look honestly at both sides.
@mjcapinto
7 ай бұрын
Its very optimistic to have a close loop on mining based on the current battery technology. That said, if there is to be evolution will be on eletric cars, their motors and battery storage and not on combustion engines.
@MrGMawson2438
7 ай бұрын
Hello mate
@sahar_services
7 ай бұрын
We humans will always need to mine. Trucks, Airplanes, Spaceships etc
@Stevebarker66
6 ай бұрын
The 'closed supply chain' model is ostensibly attractive, but unrealistic at the levels discussed. The world still mines around 3,000 tonnes of gold a year - and gold has been a highly precious commodity for thousands of years. Before we had mineral oil, the demand was for peanut oil and before that whale oil. Demand for resources changes as technologies develop. And anyway, aren't EV batteries supposed to be good for at least 15 years...? Unless that is NOT the case, we won't see large numbers of EV batteries being recycled for at least two decades. And by then, demand for batteries will have undoubtedly increased exponentially - adding demand onto a (supposedly) closed supply chain. And as battery tech develops, we don't even know if the batteries of the future will use the same materials & chemistry of current batteries - which means demand for these materials may just not be there and they may not be recycled at all because they have no value. You can say anything with statistics, but I prefer to defer to common sense and history. I'll be 70 in the year 2036. Lets check back in then, because I really don't think we'll see this happen in my lifetime.
@BlazerRox
7 ай бұрын
recycling EV batteries gives you an "ore" that is much more refined than getting it out of the ground. As EVs reach end of life their battery components will be made into new batteries again.
@waywardgeologist2520
6 ай бұрын
No element is 100% recycled. Mining isn’t disappearing.
@isovideo7497
7 ай бұрын
Mining can also go electric - if needed.
@lrg3834
7 ай бұрын
You are misinformed. No it can’t. The size of batteries for Earth moving equipment and charging times are uneconomic. We would need 12 gigawatts of electricity capacity per day in BC, Canada just to charge 5,000 logging trucks. Each logging truck battery would weigh in excess of 20,000 kg. Think how long it would take to charge that over diesel cost and efficiency (no charging). Batteries cannot hold a candle to the energy density found in diesel or gasoline. Quit drinking the Kool Aid. Time is a key component of business.
@buixote
7 ай бұрын
It would be helpfulnto have some references for these recycling claims. We've seen that plastic recycling has been a big hoax. As for phosphate, most if that is for fertilizer...
@markmiller8903
7 ай бұрын
We can't recycle battery metals because of the labor involved.
@xraylife
7 ай бұрын
Its not cost effective Li-Cycles share price has fallen below $1 and they will be kicked of the NYSE soon. The only plant that they were going to build is on indefinate hold.
@icosthop9998
7 ай бұрын
This video is pure *"Wish List"* . 🥱
@pipersall6761
6 ай бұрын
Hard to believe how they can keep using the same materials over and over again and still have the same performance.
@freeheeler09
7 ай бұрын
Given our planet’s catastrophic overpopulation and resource overshoot problems, one of the solutions will have to be hyper efficient recycling. This is necessary whether the vehicle in question is ICE or EV. And, we are destroying our planet’s ecological Life support systems so rapidly, that if we don’t bring our population down rapidly (family planning, educate women, close migration from overpopulating countries, etc.), the few surviving humans won’t have the industrial, economic, or tech capacity to build something as complex as a car.
@david9920
7 ай бұрын
Actually see the use in things like farming robots for food production.actually see second life in all kinds of use before it's totally useless
@johnwhitehouse5337
3 ай бұрын
New cars will be all aluminium and battteries can be recycled their still a bit dear though
@godogeman6466
7 ай бұрын
2:22 gold bars rusting? 😂 you better get a refund
@DwainDwight
7 ай бұрын
Musk's right hand man JB Straubal left Tesla some years back to start Redwood, now US biggest battery recycler. they just built a new US$3.5b plant. great to see
@itisim
7 ай бұрын
A few decades!!!!!! Dude you will be 100 something yrs old thats a long time
@anonimato1987
7 ай бұрын
And we were supposed to have flying cars 20 years ago. Turns out those estimations are frequently mistaken
@rogerphelps9939
7 ай бұрын
People who understand what would be involved with flying cars even 20 years ago would have told you that they are not going to happen.
@juliahello6673
7 ай бұрын
This is the worst case scenario. Autonomous vehicles will reduce the number of vehicles 3 fold (at least). Batteries will become more efficient so they will be smaller.
@user-jc8yi5kv3t
7 ай бұрын
Why nobody is talking about Oil spill in ocean
@MotorScotti
6 ай бұрын
We should be able to stop mining lithium and cobalt for car batteries in just a couple of years if we switch to sodium-ion batteries. And even at that, the technology is constantly evolving, therefore this prediction doesn't take into consideration the technical evolution.
@rockycata6078
7 ай бұрын
May not need these resources for EVs, b-b-but we're still a long way from total battery storage for an electrified world; ~3 Terrawatts(...!) After all, "Energy is the final currency", and ask any billionaire when 'enough-is-enough'(...?) LOL, "how many kWhs in your wallet"($)
@pauliussutkus8157
7 ай бұрын
experts on every corner . im expert too
@subwayfacemelt4325
7 ай бұрын
Yuuuuup, me too!
@andrewgrubb9268
7 ай бұрын
Steve, you need to seek guidance from better experts as these guys are clueless. (from a Mining Engineer)
@beautifulgirl219
7 ай бұрын
In Australia, long-term temperature records show that the country’s climate has HEATED by 1.5C since 1910, the Guardian said. The figures were released in the Bureau of Meteorology’s annual climate statement, which noted that 2023 was the country’s joint-eighth warmest year on record. Dr Andrew King, a climate scientist at the University of Melbourne, told the newspaper that “we know Australia is already HEATED ABOVE the global average”.
@AlanWilliams-su4bs
7 ай бұрын
And still we have political leaders such as Sunak hell bent on wringing the last drop of oil out of the North Sea.
@bruceburns1672
7 ай бұрын
They would never know the temperatures of 200 years ago so this is all piss and wind.
@yankrizzuto6760
7 ай бұрын
What is the ideal average temperature for human beings?
@rozonoemi9374
7 ай бұрын
@@bruceburns1672 No it's not. Todays technology can go back hundred thoulsand of years with carbon dating!
@AlanWilliams-su4bs
7 ай бұрын
@@bruceburns1672 The Royal Navy we’re measuring sea temperatures back in the 1700s. Add to that ice core data and other observations.
@youdodat2
7 ай бұрын
How LONG? NEVER!
@aeromtb2468
7 ай бұрын
we will always need to mine.
@michaelketley1252
7 ай бұрын
I wonder if all future batteries will be based on Lithium?
@TheEvilmooseofdoom
7 ай бұрын
At this point in the game with so many now invested in new battery tech that's a tough call to make. What is sure is that the next 10 years will see more and more changes.
@subwayfacemelt4325
7 ай бұрын
Supply/Demand says no.
@billfrehe6620
7 ай бұрын
I don't think it's appropriate to compare EV sales in China to a Northern European country where the batteries don't last or function properly yet. Personally, I would not buy an EV if I lived in a frigid climate, at least until the tech improves.
@subwayfacemelt4325
7 ай бұрын
Gold bars don't rust... There's only about 20-megatonne of Li reserves, atm...projected demand by 2030 is 2 or 3 megatonne. Ummm......can anyone help me here?
@douglaswatt1582
7 ай бұрын
Totally wrong and again classic trolling disinformation from somebody who doesn't know anything. What a surprise.
@subwayfacemelt4325
7 ай бұрын
@@douglaswatt1582 Thank you for your insight.
@bigeye4520
7 ай бұрын
What China offers to the world is entire green energy ecosystem. Chinese EVs spearheading the green engergy applications followed by their affordable energy sources supporting EVs such as wind turbines, solar panels,….
@TheEvilmooseofdoom
7 ай бұрын
You seem to think they're the only ones going in that direction. That's a flawed assumption.
@david9920
7 ай бұрын
Many even a old ev taking battery use in home stored home power not long before you have millions of tenkrs messing around with them
@brucec954
7 ай бұрын
Meanwhile we will have to "mine" for oil and coal forever (at least until the economically recoverable oil is gone).
@markmiller8903
7 ай бұрын
There is nothing wrong with fossil fuels. Lithium and Cobalt are destroying so many people's lives.
@litestuffllc7249
7 ай бұрын
Yes "A Few Decades"; 5 or 6 is a few right? - and that is on the very limited focus on just EVs, are you going to do heavy vehicles also as EVs - add a "few more decades". If you want to eliminate the fossil fueled grid; you then must add massive battery farms to not only charge EVs but power entire cities and 9 billion people; that will only add another 10 or 15 decades, total 100s of years. This also assumes that there is a constant chemistry to recycle, lithium is a dead end; it won't ever be recycled. So you really don't know; because no one really know what sustainable battery chemistry will arise or if there even is one.
@amosbatto3051
7 ай бұрын
Baloney. The move from NMC to LFP eliminates the need for nickel, cobalt and manganese in batteries. The move from LFP to sodium ion will eliminate the need for lithium and copper, so the only metals needed in batteries are aluminum and steel, and we have virtually limitless reserves of bauxite and iron on Earth, so we can have a sustainable battery industry for autos. We can make graphite artificially so we can stop mining it. For grid storage, we can use something like Salgenx's saltwater flow batteries which only cost $5 per kWh to manufacture and there is plenty of steel in the world to make the tanks. Yes, there will still be a market for NMC batteries in cell phones and airplanes, which need the highest energy densities, but the vast bulk of future batteries can be made with materials which are common and have nearly limitless reserves.
@litestuffllc7249
7 ай бұрын
@@amosbatto3051 You wrote - you were not going to need lithium for LFP batteries - did you mean some other sort of battery ?
@litestuffllc7249
7 ай бұрын
I missed Sodium - well that isn't exactly going to happen so far -not energy dense enough - so when will that happen? Until then If LFP is good enough - you still have big problems. You can't have even heavier EVs or shorter range EVs...so you must have Sodium meet or beat Lithium density
@rozonoemi9374
7 ай бұрын
You can recycle lithium
@litestuffllc7249
7 ай бұрын
@@rozonoemi9374 No one said you couldn't but if you plan to expand production of EVs, heavy EVs and battery farms in order to achieve an all Electric world - it won't amount to anything; if an EV lasts 10 years you don't recycle any for 10 years then it will be a low number of vehicles compared to the expanded production. So say in 5 years Sodium is better; they will then have no incentive to recycle it at all.
@MrGMawson2438
7 ай бұрын
Like gold dust
@Fritsvrolijk
7 ай бұрын
In 20 years whe drive on nucleair power
@i6power30
7 ай бұрын
Recycling is a good idea but will definitely add to the cost.
@rozonoemi9374
7 ай бұрын
Add to the cost of what?
@i6power30
7 ай бұрын
@@rozonoemi9374 at current state, recycling is definitely more expensive than mining.
@holaclive
7 ай бұрын
The only question that remains is providing the sufficient base power generation to provide the power. Without fossil fuels that means nuclear for electricity generation.
@simon-c2y
6 ай бұрын
Wonder if a demograher was involved? A declining population amd longer lasting cars could bring it all forward.
@youdodat2
7 ай бұрын
I subscribe for the laughs.
@darbyelliott2890
7 ай бұрын
News Flash. China has already met their lithium mining demand for 2060. They just have to recycle all those piles of unused electric scooter/bike batteries in their country. 😂
@josephlammardo
7 ай бұрын
Even today, China is very serious about recycling ♻️ cardboard is highly valued for recycling and even polystyrene is repurposed.
@skydivekrazy76
7 ай бұрын
You REALLY need to do at least 2 minutes of real research... China does very little actual recycling...
@amosbatto3051
7 ай бұрын
The problem with cardboard is that the length of the fiber is shortened each time it is recycled, so you have to keep adding in some virgin cardboard to maintain the strength of the material. It is the same problem with PET recycling. Polyethylene can only be downcycled into lower-grade products like plastic lumber. Less than 10% of polystyrene is recycled, because recycling it costs more than making virgin polystyrene, so it only happens when there are government incentives for the recycling.
@rozonoemi9374
7 ай бұрын
Just like Government incentive or subsidy to the oil industry.
@tigerlancer
7 ай бұрын
Yeah right. As soon as ev's hit the market, cat converter thieves will go after the $5000 of lithium batteries, instead of the $500 worth of platinum in cats.
@douglaswatt1582
7 ай бұрын
More clueless trolling. It's virtually impossible without a state-of-the-art machine shop to disassemble and remove a battery pack from a modern car. Takes about 3 hours also. So your notion that there's going to be an explosion of people stealing battery packs is utter nonsense but then again you guys just come up with bulshit 24/7
@PaulHigginbothamSr
7 ай бұрын
Say Sam I am on your side mate. Ya'll don't need to delete my comment because of political correctness mate.
@denveroilers9458
7 ай бұрын
LOL, is there anything on planet earth self sufficient, NO
@craigcullen4171
7 ай бұрын
Lol , 2730 tonnes of dirt needs to be processed just for one EV battery, horrendous ! 250,000 litres of water just to process the lithium for one EV battery, the energy to make one ev makes 10 hybrids or 16 ice far more efficient . 98% of lithium ion batteries go straight to land fill presently can’t see that changing much with the price of lithium so cheap, still EVs cost a $20,000 premium over a hybrid or ICE . So recycling isn’t going to happen any time soon also the enormous amount of energy required to do that. Add to the fact there is next to no consumer demand for BEVs as they just arn’t efficient no range and it varies widely . 2/3s of consumers in America alone don’t have residences suitable to charge the car on site . Funny how you guys bag hydrogen when’s its where solar panels were that were expensive until industry got on board and the price comes down ! Huge inroads are being made and it will power trucks batteries are just not good enough . When solid state comes out but present tech not sustainable, we need to expand the electricity grids and generation 5 fold . Solar, and wind farms arnt the problem copper is !! Not enough around presently like ice cars at least 80% is recycled even at 100% not enough . We need hydrogen as well as green fuels with electricity to get of coal, reduce diesel . Even now with all the green tech roll outs 80% of energy globally to drive civilisation on a daily basis is fossil fuels . Having strict emission controls euro 5 min is what needed get the old fleet off the road whilst we build out infrastructure. Electricity prices will have to rise to pay for all this and it will . No issue . EVs have to get better for mainstream adoption solid state batteries will bring that on
@bigwoodrz
7 ай бұрын
Yes, and third world countries will have EV charge points, like modern world countries have charge point access fixed now. Mmmmmmm. Dream on.
@WCR10851
7 ай бұрын
New lithium deposits found in Nevada USA, and phosphate in Norway are both sustainable with the near future reduction of cobalt. We will not need China for anything soon.
@valian22
7 ай бұрын
Yeah right , can’t believe people are believing this stuff😂
@marianilie7321
7 ай бұрын
Putin sighs heavily
@jeffreykreiley7265
7 ай бұрын
I hope in the future that there are no cars.
@rogerphelps9939
7 ай бұрын
Depends on where you live.
@xraylife
7 ай бұрын
Thats the real plan...
@brianchurch1254
7 ай бұрын
Do you believe the targets of the Inflation Reduction Act will be met? Recycling, mining or processing battery materials in NA by 2027? Although the provisions seem so watered down, thus achievable. It seems ironic that the largest growth of fossil fuel use in the coming decades may be the automotive sector. So much to this green economy - the international industrial perpetual motion machine.
@douglaswatt1582
7 ай бұрын
Troll much? Your argument of course is complete rubbish. Demand for fossil fuels is already going down, demand for coal is collapsing, and even demand for oil is plateauing and flattening out. It's going to continue to go down despite idiots like you promoting disinformation
@litestuffllc7249
7 ай бұрын
So lets look at details to replace 1.4 billion cars and light trucks; using 100% of current lithum production. 100 years just 10 decades! Heavy trucks 100 more years just 10 more decades. Battery farms to support 9 billion people just 50 more decades - but lets us assume we could 5x lithium production in 5 years OK 5+ 700/5 = just about 140 years a mere 14 decades - if we are stuck with lithium. If we change to another chemistry - then no one will want to recycle lithium; if they change chemstry again after 5 more years; then that 2nd chemistry will not be recycled either, and if they change it again - the 3rd won't be bothered with.
@fanbelt9926
7 ай бұрын
My son is a scientist. One of his many qualifications is a Masters in chemical engineering and he is active in the field. He laughed his head off when I sent him a link to this video. He said this Viking dude is just babbling nonsense. Yes, you can recycle lithium (and other materials) but it is quite expensive and energy intensive. The initial lithium recycle process produces a product that is of reasonable quality with just a few percent reduction in energy density and battery life. So it would be fine for example, an electric fork lift, or a small EV city runabout. But try a second recycle and the results are not commercially viable. The aggressive “big oil” people will be replaced by equally aggressive “big lithium” people.
@douglaswatt1582
7 ай бұрын
I guess your son knows more than Jeff Dahn and the other battery gurus. It's very clear that as battery packs age they are going to be recycled and the need for mining is going to taper down. It may never hit zero but battery scientists like Jeff Dahn believe that it will significantly attenuate. The notion that lithium recycling is just as energy-intensive as lithium mining is absolute nonsense as is your son's claim that the lithium hydroxide or lithium carbonate cannot be recycled twice. Complete nonsense.. If that's what your son is saying, you should send him back to school.
@MrGMawson2438
7 ай бұрын
I saw something on google 2040 all transport will be electric
@deanothedinosaur9069
7 ай бұрын
Where will all the little kids in Uganda get a job?
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