Kudos to CC for being vulnerable and Tim for being compassionate, a conversation with Jesus
@SumPete-jb2mq
3 ай бұрын
Thank you both for this. I too fell into nonduality and my existential OCD latched hard. I started having pretty severe DP/DR and my nervous system was in threads, and I was clawing for some comprehensible grip on reality. It’s been a long, loving road back through many modalities, but Tim your work showed up (thanks to algorithms and perhaps some divine intervention) and gave me a little hope right near the inflection point. ❤️ love to you both.
@ccvttc
3 ай бұрын
❤
@tonyholiday050
3 ай бұрын
Thank you. This has been helpful. Its the first time I've heard someone express exactly the feelings I have with this. And at least feel a little relief in just that! And like you CC, Its been many years.. And who can you talk to about it right?? This may help, it did for me. I started watching some non duality videos, and realised that there is almost a competition going on between many of them. On how radical and terrifying they can present their message! Have you noticed this?? Also that a few one time radical non dualists are now starting to come back from the radical type of teachings to something a little more and heart based. I just saw how ridiculous it all is. Hope this helps someone going through this. Much love.
@TimFreke1
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing that, Tony
@ArminiusReturn
3 ай бұрын
In other words she's really looking for relationship and a lot of people will continue to take advantage of that. Maybe even right now. The desire and search for meaning is a product of the hole left by the destruction of familial family groups. In those early family groups there was less psychological problems and nobody search for meaning they had all the meaning they needed🎉🎉🎉
@ChurchoftheSubGenius-eu8lw
3 ай бұрын
It sets people up especially young women to be taken advantage of look at Hollywood and all the ways it has damaged young women. The casting couch and the vampires that run Hollywood. The vampires come out Prey Upon them.
@moonman5543
2 күн бұрын
One way to conceptualize these "ego states" is to become aware, we are not our ego states, from a spiritual perspective they are spirits. Becoming aware of this begins to separate them from our ego and helps to develope the ability to separate them from the ego and being consumed by them.
@TimFreke1
2 күн бұрын
@@moonman5543 I find it hard to make sense of the idea that our thoughts are spirits. It seems to me that when I am thinking I’m imagining talking to myself. And just as what I say to you is not a Spirit neither is what I say to myself. I am saying things to you now as words in the comment section. I say things to myself as if I’m listening to myself speak. That is my thoughts. They rise from me and I witnessed them. They may be wise or they may be foolish.
@moonman5543
2 күн бұрын
You make a good point, it does take some discernment to know what is our own thoughts and states versus the ones that were embedded in our minds through hypnotic methods or trauma experiwnces and by being suggestable to others teachings, such as nonduality and meditation.
@moonman5543
2 күн бұрын
Especially since these ego states can take on a life and mind of their own in us
@moonman5543
2 күн бұрын
I did mis speak too, I meant our ego states are the result of spirit or spiritual influences
@ArminiusReturn
3 ай бұрын
The saddest part about listening to this young woman is that I would be willing to bet her problem started with her family relations. More than likely she was raised Christian or affected by a Christian cultural infection. And that resolving family issues would probably take care of a lot of her problems the original problem stemmed from the destruction of familial groups and family by the Christian teachings. I had similar periods of my life early on where I did search through the smorgasbord of spiritual teachings attempting to find answers only to find more subversive teachings like the one that she still stuck on.
@decades5643
3 ай бұрын
A lot of people that believe in reincarnation don't necessarily believe that everyone reincarnates right after they die. A popular belief is that the person who died continues in another realm for a period of time before reincarnating. So it could be hundreds of years later. It could be that sometimes a person will reincarnate pretty quickly and sometimes after a longer period of time. Maybe how the person died plays a factor? I think a lot of people that struggle with reincarnation don't like the idea of being a completely different person with a new personality. But It might be that each incarnation leaves impressions on the "soul" which then plays a role in our current personalities. It may be that your current incarnation as a human would share personality traits with your previous incarnations. So there is a "you" (personality wise) that continues even though you're in a different body. Kind of like how things have happened to us when we were young that we don't remember but they still play a role in shaping who we are today. You don't necessarily have to remember something for it to leave an impression on you. Another claim that is often made regarding reincarnation is that when you die, your consciousness or "soul" gets a "full picture" view of your recent life and all of your past lives. So you see how all of your past incarnations have lead to where you currently are. Incarnating leads to a forgetting of things you experienced in a past life (except in certain cases) but after death you remember everything.
@WhirlpoolFarmer
3 ай бұрын
You've articulated those ideas very well. Thank you. People sometimes refer to samskaras (habits) passing from life to life. They suggest these samskaras become increasingly engrained and more problematic if they're not worked upon. And yet I also vaguely recall Jeffrey Mishlove talking about Ancient Egyptian afterlife beliefs - about how all the subtle elements of the deceased person are scattered here and there at death and then eventually recombined into a new configuration. So it's possible you may end up embodying all these past life memories and propensities of a dozen different people. Although it's a compelling idea, I personally don't like it...unless there is some sort of method to the process, and it's not simply random. Anyway, if it's true, it would emphatically negate the idea of there being a sovereign soul that evolves from life to life.
@decades5643
3 ай бұрын
@@WhirlpoolFarmer I usually have some issues with the belief in karma but samskaras (habits) kind of makes sense to me. There could be aspects of our personality that we need to work through in each life. The Egyptians actually really wanted to make sure that the whole person was preserved and transfigured. Death was seen as a dismemberment because that's how Osiris was killed by Seth. Isis had to bring his body parts back together and then raise him to new life. The mortuary ritual was based on the Osiris myth and was performed in order to keep the different parts together so the deceased person could live on as a whole transfigured person like Osiris. The "ba" and "ka" needed to remain together so the person could be transfigured into a higher state of being which was called an "akh". So you needed your "ba", "ka", "akh", etc. in order to continue existing after death.
@nugley
3 ай бұрын
The answer to the question of the meaning of life is "it's a test." You are an eternal spiritual WTF temporarily incarnate in a haunted meatsack riding through the funpark of life in order to be tested and found out for who you are, so you can be offered opportunities for growth and change. The spiritual is real, life is a dream. Enjoy!
@laserhobbyist9751
3 ай бұрын
Greetings from Doha, Qatar! Make a go fund me page for your trip, I'll donate if I know the link somehow. Regarding three individuals who claim to have been Mary, it's possible, if we are at root all the same One, it's more than possible, that's the reality. Seems possible from what I gather some of us tune into the past lives of "others" that way, not only in this timeline reality, sometimes into others which are close to this one, but not quite the same. From an experience I had back in 1996, I see myself as everyone who has ever lived, past, present and future to come (same for each). Why? Sharing the same huge collective. Reincarnation moot!
@TimFreke1
3 ай бұрын
Greetings from Glastonbury in the UK
@TimFreke1
3 ай бұрын
@@laserhobbyist9751 yes
@laserhobbyist9751
3 ай бұрын
@@TimFreke1 Ops, I didn't see your reply and deleted the question after I found the answer googling. If the trip is from there to the UK, shouldn't be difficult to get the funds with a gofundme page.
@shaunbanana911
3 ай бұрын
Ultimately there are numerous cosmological constants set with such great precision that the universe would not exist without them been so very very finely tuned. There is as such no randomness and only processes that adhere to these cosmological constants that are in a process of arriving at there final destination - To be a star, a planet, a black hole etc etc to shape the universe in accordance with these constants.
@shaunbanana911
3 ай бұрын
With regards to reincarnation and DNA we also have to consider that through all of our ancestry we are all very much interrelated. When you trace your ancestry back the population gets smaller and smaller showing we all have the same origins. It maybe be possible that occasionally various variations of DNA result in the emergence of an old soul - reincarnation - You could say every soul is a reincarnation of the early ancestors or original soul (oneness) but through evolution/nature & nurture we all normally exist as perceiving ourselves as new individuals ignoring or not having access to past life experiences. If all is one how could reincarnation not be true - We are eternally all extended variations of the same oneness.
@StoneShards
2 ай бұрын
"Emergence" works both ways, "evolutionary", and "involutionary". On the involutionary arc, the One differentiates into the Many; on the evolutionary arc, the Many integrate into the One. The physical plane is the bottom of the involutionary arc, and the beginning of the evolutionary arc, the top of which is Godhead. The Godhead is everywhere present in varying degrees of differentiation, precipitating regions of different densities of "matter", the region of the physical plane being the most dense, and least energetic.
@TimFreke1
2 ай бұрын
I’ve ended up completely rejecting the idea of involution as confusing, outdated and unnecessary. It is hard to make sense of what the one means in an involutionary context because it certainly means a lot more than just oneness. You may be interested in my discussion with Ken Wilber where I try to explore why I don’t think Aurobindo’s idea of involution idea is helpful. I see it now as anachronistic because with this theory the one is really a cipher for God which is at the beginning and this is the mythic understanding I feel we need to replace with the idea that the universe is evolving into God not from God.
@StoneShards
2 ай бұрын
@@TimFreke1 What, then, of the problem of the initiation of cosmos?! I'm not familiar with the work of Wilbur and Aurobindo, though I recognize the names. I've been working with these ideas since my youth many decades ago, focusing rather narrowly but thoroughly on a handful of published "authorities" in such matters in an eclectic, syncretist approach to original conceptualization. And I've recently--finally!--come upon a satisfying origin mythology; one that promises to make the "backside", involution, fathomable. In a nutshell: Once upon an eternity, there was only the Void, perfectly indistinct, multiform potentiality, a seething chaos. As hoped for by the designers of universes, there arose a statistically impossibly unlikely state of repetition in the Chaotic Void. This created a Paradox: the chaotic void exhibited "memory". "Reflection" is implied by "repetition" and itself implies Time...this is the birthing of Order by Chaos, to isolate the Paradox, as it threatens the "existence" of the Chaotic Void Itself. To keep the Void from venting, Order expressed Time as Consciousness and Physical Reality in the "Big Bang". So, God, as Order, is that repeated state of the void that had to be extruded, separated, from the void for its own preservation, the raw material for the manifestation of cosmos. At the point of extrusion, the void sees Itself in the extruded state, Order, and exerts no pressure of disorder. At the "end" of the ordered creation, the void sees order and exerts a pressure of disorder against it. At this bottom end of creation, this pressure of disorder is modulated to allow that pressure to be channeled by the forms which have emerged for that purpose to power the creation and the evolutionary processes--like steam pressure is channeled by the form of an engine to produce useful work. Each of us is a microcosm of this macrocosm, with the same principles being functional. The chaotic void is the "unknown" at the border of the known, and it presents a disordering influence to your ordering efforts. A "barrier region" with curious properties not unlike those of a transistor arises as the maximum extent of a form. We maintain the integrity of our bodies, feelings, and thoughts by resisting disorder--creating order--at the boundaries of their forms. Instantiating this resistance in our habit nature allows us to push the boundaries further into the unknown, to learn and know more, to become greater...to evolve. In your conception, Tim, how does cosmos start? Is it even possible to avoid a mythology of some sort?
@TimFreke1
2 ай бұрын
@@StoneShards Thanks for sharing your personal mythos. I like it. Reminds me of approaches I have taken in the past. But I think we can go beyond mythic understanding now. It's too much for a comment here .. but look out for my big philosophy project coming later in the year where I will explore this for sure. In short I'd say the foundational levels of emergenc need to be understood with mathematics.
@bobbijones9334
3 ай бұрын
Maybe it's a case that we are not meant to have all the answers because if we had all the answers we wouldn't do our homework. My own inexplicable experiences tell me that something exciting and mysterious is going on of which I don't understand and that's enough for me. The person with "blind faith" is at a disadvantage because he stops asking the questions and seeking. Every time I move another notch further into possibilities it's exciting. Trying to understand why I was once catapulted into a profound spiritial experience once drove me crazy asking 'why' and 'what am I to do now' and yadder yadder, but when I dropped all that and accepted what was, grateful for what I learned, I became happier.
@StoneShards
2 ай бұрын
"Nondualism includes a number of philosophical and spiritual traditions that emphasize the absence of fundamental duality or separation in existence. This viewpoint questions the boundaries conventionally imposed between self and other, mind and body, observer and observed, and other dichotomies."--wikipedia...Sounds like an offshoot of Critical Theory. Conventional boundaries exist for a very good reason: the convention has proven to be useful! Dichotomies are observable experiential realities. "Emphasizing the absence of...separation in existence" is nonsensical: every thing that can be said to "exist" does so by virtue of separation from all other things. Absent "separation" there can be NO EXISTENCE! I don't think that's what most people have in mind when they think of "oneness".
@TimFreke1
2 ай бұрын
👍
@shaunbanana911
3 ай бұрын
Dismissing the idea that the origins of the universe cannot be complex is logical reductionist folly. Which came first Henry Ford or the automobile? It makes perfect logical sense based on what we know - that an intelligent entity as the origin of the universe is the best theory we can arrive at. There is nothing more extraordinarily phenomenal than intelligence in the universe that we could posit as the origin of the universe. Obviously it does not mean that it is right but it certainly cannot be dismissed. Through logical reductionism we have arrived at a very basic universe the science world likes to call nothing and yet it contains gravity and other forces at play - it is not nothing
@shaunbanana911
3 ай бұрын
I have just also been watching Piers Morgan speaking to Richard Dawkins where Richard posits it's ridiculous to suggest that God is the best explanation for the origins of the universe and yet he can offer nothing more to explain the origins of space, time and matter, obviously because physics fall short outside of those parameters. He posits that putting God at the beginning results in something more complex than the universe which logically does not make any sense but there in lies the problem - Logical reductionism. The universe may not start with simplicity. The fact we don't know how time, space and matter came into existence does not point to a simplistic origin - quite the opposite - To most of us it points to magic or god or something else thats sophisticated capable of creating/generating something that is so sophisticated like this universe. The origins of the universe it would seem to me surely have a complex origin. It is logical reductionism that leads us to conclude that it must of been simple which is ridiculous. I think arriving at the conclusion that a God created everything (ie. was the origin of the universe) is a wise deduction when you consider that this universe is intelligible by us mere humans and that the greatest mystery is human intelligence and as such imagining or deducing that an intelligent entity (A God) was responsible for the creation of the universe is the wisest conclusion based on what we know. Obviously it raises the question of good and evil and free will is the best explanation of that. If we remove God from the beginning then we are back to a materialistic universe and a deterministic one at that - how could it not be - unless we posit its all just luck and in either case it lacks any meaning. I personally struggle to decipher any meaning from a universe without a God or a very simplistic one unless that simplicity is oneness as in a non dual origin where opposites unite etc which is only simple in a lack of material complexity.
@shaunbanana911
3 ай бұрын
I think it is intellectual folly to dismiss the idea that something more complex than the universe created the universe. It is a material scientific and egotistical folly/delusion to dismiss a complex origin outright in that making such a statement suggests that we have it all nailed through logical reductionism that the origin MUST be simple?????. Even if we say this universe was created through luck via the multiverse theory then we still have to explain what created the multiverse and logically the best deduction is an intelligent source as that is the only thing we know of capable of doing that. Science as never created a universe or multiverse for that matter from nothing...not ever.
@annieandaj
3 ай бұрын
The past is informing the future as it's "separate" parts move into and out of the whole and evolve. All of this is happening spontaneously.
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