Hanzee was Otto's son (the Native American cook was his mother). He killed Dodd for calling him a mongrel.
@nospoon4799
10 ай бұрын
Spot on. Some people need every little thing explained to them. Clearly you are not one of them.
@RandySnarsh
9 ай бұрын
@@nospoon4799 You are both wrong. It is just a movie and it dont need to make sense.
@MisterHoodrich89
9 ай бұрын
@@RandySnarsh it's a TV show, not a movie...and it's a well-written TV show. it is made quite clear if you're paying attention to the dialogue that Hanzee is Otto's son. i.e. when the sunglasses dude from Buffalo runs into Milligan at the Gerhardt house, he asks Milligan, "which one are you again? the kid Otto had with the maid?"
@MisterHoodrich89
9 ай бұрын
bingo. that was the real reason why Hanzee flipped on the Gerhardts. it wasn't simply that he was tired of the crime family that he worked for sending him to do all their dirty work...it was that his ACTUAL family was doing that to him, and keeping him at a distance like he wasn't really one of them. at a certain point, he couldn't tolerate that disrespect from his kin anymore.
@ricosmith1989
9 ай бұрын
@@MisterHoodrich89Dodd also calls him a halfie when he walks into the cabin
@Why-bc7wl
10 ай бұрын
I like his ending, it shows the cycle of power and how it repeats. He gets to witness his own empire crumble like how he helped destroy another in his prime . It’s pretty obvious Noah Howley didn’t plan this but it’s still fits
@nav579
9 ай бұрын
Like the 2 definitions of “revolution” that Mike Milligan mentioned. 👍🏽
@WarTheory
Жыл бұрын
Just heard Rest In Peace Mark Margolis ….Hector “Tio” Salamanca
@keithmichael112
Жыл бұрын
oh damn really? RIP.
@Heyitskrystal
Жыл бұрын
I loved that twist it made such a mysterious character even more mysterious. We get to write ourselves what the intervening 27 years looked like for him.
@barbiquearea
Жыл бұрын
I am hoping that at some point the show will do a season where they show us how Hanzee rose through the criminal underworld in the intervening years as Tripoli, and how he took down Kansas City. My guess is he and Mike Milligan worked together to take the entire syndicate down and create their own mob out of the remnants.
@Heyitskrystal
Жыл бұрын
@@barbiquearea that would be so cool.
@nospoon4799
10 ай бұрын
It is Wrenches story in reality. He was the only character to be in all three seasons. Four departed from this.
@nospoon4799
10 ай бұрын
@@barbiquearea He took over Kansas at the end of season two when he recruited wrench and numbers.
@KK-zb3xc
10 ай бұрын
@nelsonnoname001 Hanzee was a 1 man killing machine, whereas Mike needed people to do the dirty work and stood around spouting crap.
@caseyhart4999
Жыл бұрын
I’ve always seen it as kind of a neat little Easter egg but I must admit it doesn’t sit that well with me he was taken out like that. It makes it a little more palatable that it was done by a guy like Malvo but still Hanzee was such a badass.
@henryyoung8939
Жыл бұрын
But Lorne is reallly HIM, like he said mr wrench was the closet to killing him, he was also raised by hanzee, small details in Lorne Malvo makes it more justifiable to me. So far Lorne has been the best hit man in the game
@frybodelgado1482
10 ай бұрын
I just posted the theory that the fat Guy wasn't Tripoli either but nothing but a Decoy giving out orders from Hanzee who lives a quite live in the Shadows.
@lewislambert4590
8 ай бұрын
Key word is "WAS". He got fat and complacent. Complacency will do more damage than anything in a situation such as his.
@caseyhart4999
8 ай бұрын
Well yea I’m not saying it’s an unrealistic scenario just that it’s a shame to me it went down that way because of how awesome the Hanzee of season 2 was. What’s even more of a shame though is none of the characters of season 5 can remotely compare to guys like Malvo or s2 Hanzee.
@frybodelgado1482
10 ай бұрын
I have a similar theory: what if both Tripolis are fake? Like, since there never WAS a Tripoli to begin with it might just be a Codename like some Folks think James Bond is. And the Mob give out the name freely. Or what if Hanzee just put up a Decoy as a Frontman? Sell this fat Slob as the Boss giving out orders (sometimes verbatim) while he himself may live freely and in safety pulling all the strings from the shadows. Seeing how the fat Tripolis was killed fairly easily this seems to be quite the smart move, no? Now everyone thinks, Tripolis is dead and Hanzee can just switch into a new Identity again. I think, that would make more sense than the idea of this quite, frugal warrior just turning into a hedonistic Whale for no real reason.
@boygonewhoopdataZZ
6 ай бұрын
That's exactly what happens to majority of the greatest warriors, you get complacent and become a hedonistic whale. No one is expecting some random dude with a sub machine gun to come shooting up the whole place.
@frybodelgado1482
6 ай бұрын
@@boygonewhoopdataZZAaaah, a cautionary tale about laziness and how one living by the sword will die by the Sword? Yeah that seems logical too...
@francoisgoulet3352
Ай бұрын
So true. The real Hanzee would have given a fight to Malvo. Especially since he saw him coming from a mile away with all these gunshots.
@frybodelgado1482
Ай бұрын
@@francoisgoulet3352 Yeah it doesn^t make sence for the two figures to be the same man. I wonder if there is a deeper lore behind all these details or if they just have fun playing with ideas and names and giving out hints without any actual meaning behind it.
@DannyRedCheeks
12 күн бұрын
That makes more sense than him turning into the slob himself
@aran998
Жыл бұрын
Gotta be honest I hate the “face change” trope in tv and movies. It’s just way too unbelievable and always feels like a cheap plot device
@RoyalJesusChrist
Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@_zigger_
Жыл бұрын
Face/Off gets a pass
@CaptainRetroStation
9 ай бұрын
It may be “unbelievable” for you, but I am old enough to remember a time when some people thought that Luke Skywalker was recast in “Return of the Jedi”, because Mark Hamill looked different because of the minimal plastic surgery he had done on his face after a car accident. Recently, Rene Zellweger had reconstructive surgery done on her face, and hardly anyone recognized her. Same with Meg Ryan, and Mickey Rourke. NONE of these celebrities changed their identities, and moved to another city to start a new life. So, while you might not believe in the whole face change thing, that doesn’t change the fact the it DOES happen in real life. People DO alter their appearance and start new lives elsewhere. You want to talk about “cheap plot devices” or overused Hollywood tropes? How about “prophecies”, or characters waking up to find out that everything that preceded was “just a dream”. Or, how about looking for a MacGuffin to find, or unlock another MacGuffin? There are so many BS plot devices out there to pick on instead of ragging on actual things that happen in real life!
@JakeKoenig
8 ай бұрын
Yeah claiming Hanzee was the mob boss in Season 1 was a stupid bit of reverse-engineering by the writers. Molly and Lou Solverson already provided the link between the seasons. We didn't need another one.
@UdoLattek02
7 ай бұрын
@@JakeKoenigthought the same
@davidp3051
Жыл бұрын
I think Hanzee becomes Anton Chigur from No Country for Old Men.
@davidp3051
Жыл бұрын
They have a similar skin tone. No Country takes place in the 80’s, a few years after this movie. Both men are quite stoic, and only really speak when they need to. They both have their own code that they live by. They’re both skilled and capable in terms of weaponry and combat. And neither has a sense of humour.
@Zurround
Ай бұрын
That movie and this show are not canonically in a shared fictional universe with each other.
@Randarrradara
10 күн бұрын
@@Zurroundhow do you know?
@ahmadtrip4623
Жыл бұрын
When I first heard of the theory I wanted to be in denial because hanzee was such a good character in s2 lmao
@keveardo
Жыл бұрын
You should do one on the Mr.Wrench return in Season 3 and where or how he got caught again
@chadialhajkadour7198
10 ай бұрын
That's why I hate these kinds of complicated shows, by the time we get the new season, we can't remember all the details and we miss a lot of the connections. Now I have to rewatch 4 seasons before the new one f@#_$ 🤬
@automaticmattywhack1470
Жыл бұрын
I never even caught any of this! I feel dumb right now. Great video! I think I've mentioned before, my brother went to high school with Zahn McClarnon who played Hanzee at Omaha Central.
@stevendemeter1140
7 ай бұрын
Would have been cool if they’d done a scene where Tripoli has a gun battle with Malvoy and he gets away, nodding to the fact he’s an equal match. But the fact that he’s just shot in his office kinda dampens season 2
@toddanderson2193
25 күн бұрын
That's the thing about it that bothers me... Tripoli gets taken out seemingly so easily.
@MoralesCorner
12 күн бұрын
They should have turned Hanzee into Malvo not Tripoli
@getto5702
9 күн бұрын
@@MoralesCornerexactly idk how they missed that opportunity with hanzee’s nam back story and his skills in season 2 it would only make sense when I heard face change in the end of season 2 I was thinking he was gonna turn into Malvo literally only makes sense right? But no they completely botched it
@scottboyd3838
Жыл бұрын
Say he was 30 when he got the new ID, and add 27 years, people's visage and mannerisms can change drastically and absurdly
@asacloutier7530
10 ай бұрын
and the mike jackson skin bleaching. going to need a loooooooooooooooot of skin bleaching and facial hair plugs.
@dfailsthemost
Жыл бұрын
If you imagine tripoli 27 years younger and much thinner, it might seem more reasonable (by Fargo standards).
@RamblinVan
8 ай бұрын
A face man doesn't usually change races but alright
@pameladircks-meacham5181
10 ай бұрын
I think Hanzee will be back as himself!!
@EleaticStranger
9 ай бұрын
I completely missed this connection but it seems more than coincidence now that I look at it.
@MichaelJohnson-rg3od
11 ай бұрын
I think a lot of times with these psycho-types they fantasize about having this indulgent, glutenous, hedonistic life which makes sense when he gets to be his ultimate self displaying his corpulence in season one. Fargo is full of gems and references and it's one of the many things that make it such a great show. Can't wait for the next season.
@MisterHoodrich89
9 ай бұрын
I think that's exactly right. the core theme of Fargo is people being too arrogant and getting themselves into situations that they can't handle due to their hubris and ego. Hanzee the soldier couldn't afford to be lazy and slovenly, but Hanzee/Tripoli the mob boss presumably became too comfortable and full of himself over time after being in power for a while. and his arrogance led him to get entangled with a guy (Malvo) who still had the fire that Hanzee used to have.
@thefearofg0ds758
9 ай бұрын
@@MisterHoodrich89I really would like to see a prime Hanzee vs Malvo
@MisterHoodrich89
9 ай бұрын
@@thefearofg0ds758 Malvo probably gets the edge. he was presented in the show as an almost supernatural force, like the true human manifestation of hell. Hanzee was a very serious and dangerous man, but seemed a lot more mortal and human.
@scottboyd3838
Жыл бұрын
Wow, I never put that together, good job, It makes a lot of sense sir, a lot of sense. And good that you mentioned how absurd it sounds, but that's why it works so well, more might be revealed if they do another season or two
@filmunion8194
Жыл бұрын
Mike Millican is fascinating character
@adelinrapcore
10 ай бұрын
Season 1 is unmatchable, season 2 is right behind it
@nospoon4799
10 ай бұрын
I dont get that. Myself I can't separate them as the stories have interlinked so far. It's all good. Four fell a bit flat though. They left the wrench story. Which is what was tying it together.
@VicRattlehead95
5 ай бұрын
Nah season 1 is good. Season 2 is pure class
@leewm.gaudry3770
9 ай бұрын
I think as Tripoli, he never suffered anti-native discrimination again.
@Veryniceandveryevil
6 ай бұрын
😂 think you need to look up the definition of native.
@Darthjarjar42069
9 ай бұрын
2 bronze stars and a 💜
@Zippypeepee
10 ай бұрын
The season ends with him being handed an ID with “Tripoli” on it. Idk how you can make a 12 minute video out of just saying “yes. Oh I know how! KZitem!
@edgewiseCL
10 ай бұрын
That's the hustle. Fargo has a currently successful season going on but Ive wanted these originally sopranos focused channels to extend to Fargo in particular just to hear their thoughts. And there are literally people in the comments who didn't catch it in the show, which will drive people to rewatch this amazing season. Good stuff all around
@nospoon4799
10 ай бұрын
Where any idiot can explain anything they want even if they don't really understand..
@paulie609
11 ай бұрын
Good job. I love the Fargo connections.
@tylermason140
9 ай бұрын
It's definitely not my favorite Fargo twist / connection. But like you said, it definitely works with the themes of the show. Especially if we take the later season 4 into account, where the idea of powerful people, once vicious in their own right, growing complacent and then falling prey to younger, hungrier individuals is kind've the thesis of the season.
@SADsub-rz1kp
3 ай бұрын
My teory is that, hanzee was somewhat of a mentor or previous boss of the tripoli in season 1, and just are 2 different characters related by their businesses.
@Deriv44
Жыл бұрын
Hey Fargo could show the building of his empire in one of the future seasons
@alolkoydesigns
10 ай бұрын
Perhaps the transition of Hanzee to Tripoli is what happens to a native when he enters the world of colonizers. In that sense it could be a cautionary tale for we natives.
@ogdog123
11 ай бұрын
I think it was the fixer who became Tripoli!
@dariuscross7837
7 ай бұрын
I personally believe Hanzee was an old world values type of person and he was only loyal to dodd's father not the family. So when the power structure changes especially when the mother tries to become boss. I believe from then on he decided to let it play out and go with whoever won. But chaos ensuite like warfare in Vietnem so he pivots like in real war.
@WizGallorado
Жыл бұрын
I really think they should’ve suggested that Hanzee became Shep Proudfoot instead. The timeline woulda worked.
@ict113090
9 ай бұрын
Shep already had a criminal record of his own. Hanzee himself was on FBI’s most wanted. Whatever Shep did would have revealed him back in 87. I think Carl and Gaear however were employees of Hanzee (Moses) the building complex is named “Showalter” like Buscemi’s character name
@fionnmaccurtain8896
Жыл бұрын
Do a video about Mike Milligan
@_zigger_
Жыл бұрын
More like Mike Mооlinуаn, heh heh. Did you hear that, T?
@fionnmaccurtain8896
Жыл бұрын
@@_zigger_ oh hey Paulie
@Whoeverheardof
10 ай бұрын
@@_zigger_👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
@drno07
4 күн бұрын
Hanzee Dent also seems to reference to Harvey Dent, AKA Two-Face, given the injury to his face
@Dominican1923
10 ай бұрын
I prefer season 1 than 2 Billy Bob Thornton is the reason why
@jluchette
Жыл бұрын
CineRanter! Let’s gooooo!
@kingoneil4644
Жыл бұрын
27 years thats nothing some guy named phil i think his name was spent an undetermined amount of time in an undisclosed location, whatever happened there
@dirkdiggler5581
5 ай бұрын
I Think it’s very bad writing if they turned him into tripoli.
@GlassThirdEye
Жыл бұрын
I believe Noah Hawley confirmed this to be true.
@spacejelly3562
15 күн бұрын
Why did Hank say “our Indian” when Benjamin, Lue and Hank were talking outside the station?
@alexbanks7115
3 ай бұрын
I have not watched the series but I think it’s a great twist but I think it’s as you said they did not plan it from the beginning or they might have had more similarities between the actors playing the roles
@TannerisSmol97
19 күн бұрын
And Mike even got some sorta... Origin story.. I think
@emptyempty8310
5 ай бұрын
Easily the dumbest thing in all of Fargo. The only way to make S2 of Fargo any better is to remove that scene.
@nonzeromarlin2390
10 ай бұрын
I think the guy we see in season one is a fake with hanzee pulling the strings
@asacloutier7530
10 ай бұрын
Such a stupid twist but whatever, I think it was thrown in as a joke for the writers and staff.
@flipeverything266
3 ай бұрын
I came into this video thinking “what?? No fucking way” now I’m convinced
@forcemajeur.5138
5 ай бұрын
He is def Tripoli from season 1 he says the same message.
@tcmaddox
9 күн бұрын
I always assumed this was a fact.
@malalford
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, the writers "Alien III"'d it.
@lisayamani
10 ай бұрын
I really, really hope that Hanzee is Moses Tripoli by proxy and that he's just working from the shadows. I don't want to believe he becomes that boss that is so easily taken out by Malvo. It was way too easy.
@nospoon4799
10 ай бұрын
Hanzee is Tripoli. He has surgery. Then recruits wrench and numbers at the end of Season two. Which is prior in time to season one and three.
@g8le
10 ай бұрын
That's just not the case though. Last scene with Hanzee, he says "don't care heavily guarded, don't care into the sea" and that's exactly how Tripoli expresses himself in season 1.
@MisterHoodrich89
9 ай бұрын
I think it works because it shows how people often become lazy and too comfortable once they achieve the power they crave.
@jamesm3471
9 ай бұрын
2:13 Wounded Knee x2
@nelsonnoname001
11 ай бұрын
I say it's bad writing, Season 2 is SOOOOOO much better than Season 1, I don't see Hanzee going out as a old fat white man... he is such a sharp knife in season 2, I wish they would have saved him for season 3 instead of backing up into season 1 which is tash
@hwizell7478
Жыл бұрын
Punctuation notes Line “Pandas eat shoots and leaves” Considering context #haiku #punctuation #context
@djpuplex
Жыл бұрын
Anyone else think CR should do the Americans series next?
@faszikilawang8445
9 ай бұрын
Why's he gotta BE Tripoli? Why not "He went on to work for Tripoli (or Tripoli worked for him) and rubbed off on him."
@G.I_Jane
9 ай бұрын
Honestly the weakest link done by the show. It kinda ruins season 2 and 1 in a way when they tie hanzee as tripoli. Anyone defending it just feels like a meatrider
@UtechtUTube
7 ай бұрын
It detracts from the connection if casting was so incongruent. Visuals matter in this medium.
@barbiquearea
Жыл бұрын
Hanzee's new name is Moses Tripoli, which is a Jewish name. I think what they should have done was have Hanzee marry a Jewish girl, then convert to Judaism and then take on his wife's name, as well as adopt a new Jewish name for himself. That could have been a more fluid way for the writers to link Hanzee to Tripoli without the ridiculous idea of him getting plastic surgery. Or maybe they could have still worked the plastic surgery angle in since at that point Hanzee did just become a wanted man.
@elchapostacos787
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t Tripoli Greek not Jewish
@nospoon4799
10 ай бұрын
@@elchapostacos787 Tripoli is in Libya.
@joebaker2311
Жыл бұрын
My personal fan theory is that Shep Proudfoot from the movie is Hanzee's bastard son but nobody knows it because Hanzee is known as Tripoli
@nospoon4799
10 ай бұрын
Nice theory.
@filmunion8194
Жыл бұрын
They should bring Mike Milligan back for season 5?
@lutfensusshow5397
Жыл бұрын
its set in 2019
@nospoon4799
10 ай бұрын
Nope.
@AZURAKAZ
3 ай бұрын
Sammy "The Bull" Gravano gained a bunch of weight when he was in witness protection.
@TannerisSmol97
19 күн бұрын
Isn't kinda part of the lore at this point? With all the weird and cool shit in this series this isn't they far fetched
@Mannnnnnnn
7 ай бұрын
Crazy malvo solos the show
@KlassicKolt5612
4 ай бұрын
I love this TV show very much. But this was the only plot point I didn't like. It was so left field. I didn't understand the point of it.
@TheBerylknight
3 ай бұрын
Plastic surgery can change or deform people. But it's not going to turn you into an entirely different person. Even the worse examples of plastic surgeries... like say Mickey Rourke.... you can still tell it it's him. It's obvious story-wise this guy is suppose to be Hanzee. But I can't take it seriously because it looks absolutely nothing like him. It's too bad they didn't plan things far enough ahead to get an actor who at least remotely resembled Hanzee.
@heyricksander
9 ай бұрын
I always thought that Hanzee was Malvo.
@tisbutascratch9987
Ай бұрын
They're two different personalities I don't believe it
@osrichitt5269
9 ай бұрын
It makes alot of sense now, Knowing that he must’ve planned this from pretty early on in the season, why he tried so hard to kill Peggy and Ed. They were the only people he mentioned to that he was thinking of changing his look(in the cabin). So they were loose ends that might spoil his future plans
@stefanieehrenbaum3813
9 ай бұрын
Hansi. Its Hansi.
@jimbob465
5 ай бұрын
But how did he become white and change his bone structure?
@joevines3428
4 күн бұрын
Plastic surgery
@paisan8766
9 ай бұрын
If McClarin likes it, I do
@mhma1976
9 ай бұрын
its an awesome twist! the writers put a lot of thought into the script.
@srickgrimes9325
3 ай бұрын
Lorne Malvo was zero the white kid
@jamesholt8516
9 ай бұрын
I don't see the show as nihilistic at all. That's your opinion.
@maxdanger2402
6 ай бұрын
This is a ____ story.
@susanlawkaplan
9 ай бұрын
That Hanzee transformed hmself into Lorne Malvo makes much more sense. They have the same body type, steely eyes, and same unapologetic cold murderous style. Also, Malvo like Hanzee is a shape changer. Malvo receives a new name and profession as a minister in Season 2, most likely given to him from the same source as the Tripoli name. As far as we know Malvo, the name, was a previous alias and Hanzee dropped the Tripoli name for the Malvo alias a long time ago. All that the grotesque Tripoli character shares with Hanzee is the Tripoli name, a name the bald man on the bench in the last scene of season 2 admires and likely took as his own once his organization gave Hanzee/Tripoli another alias. Hanzee is Malvo. The bald man renamed himself as Tripoli and the very clever writers made no mistakes. Instead they served up a curve ball.
@BrownEyedVampy
5 күн бұрын
Such a dumb plot device. My head cannon is its not Hanzee. Turning him into a white guy is ridiculous lol
@eri711128
Жыл бұрын
WATCH SUCCESSION
@johnny_thunder_3024
Жыл бұрын
Season 2? The best? I LOVED seasons 1 & 3 but season 2 is just 'meh' for me, feels like a filler episode to me
@shitpostheavy
10 ай бұрын
Worst take.
@johnny_thunder_3024
10 ай бұрын
@@shitpostheavy it's how I liked it not a "take"
@Dominican1923
10 ай бұрын
Season 2 is just good for me season 1 is the best in my opinion
@slimturnpike
Ай бұрын
'plane site' lol
@Professor_GonZo
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of that terrible run where the Punisher became black for a while...
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