Worked for a coach store and found out that you can know if it’s a real full price bag that happened to end up at the outlet by looking at the serial number. If it starts with F the item was made for the outlet. For my coach peeps
@allthewayinsmith2441
Жыл бұрын
Thanks... I ordered a bag from outlet ..and it was just something about it that wasnt right
@juliiashan4730
Жыл бұрын
I’ve got bags both from outlet line Coach and store Coach both from the actual store and outlet. All are great quality tbh. The outlet one wasn’t even simple. Classic but combo leather, so looks quite fashionable and everyone always compliments me on that bag. 6 years running. Love Coach.
@themanifestorsmind
Жыл бұрын
For Coach specifically, the difference is in the details. The hardware will be heavier and more subdued from the actual store, lighter and asunder from the outlet. The actual store, the straps are thicker, and the interior lining feels better. But even the outlet bags are amazing quality.
@asekun022
10 ай бұрын
@@themanifestorsmindi bought a coach bag in an outlet store, it was light to the touch but feels premium for me. I haven’t seen one from the actual store yet so Next time I will compare but thisnis good to know, thanks!
@subha5336
10 ай бұрын
@@allthewayinsmith2441hi how is the quality
@akiyatiffany
Жыл бұрын
The regular ones in the regular store are VERY CHEAP to produce as well! 😂
@DodInTheSky
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Luxury is just a nice word for a legal scam.
@nneo.2334
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely Tiffany. If I’m going to pay premium for a designer bag, the least I want is to quality of the raw materials to be top-notch. Especially when the premium is ridiculously high.
@ayeeshahm9078
Жыл бұрын
It's all relative
@coolinmac
Жыл бұрын
Complete nonsense
@akiyatiffany
Жыл бұрын
@@coolinmac it’s true lol
@justbeingnosy1644
Жыл бұрын
When I go to outlets, I ask the salesperson for the items from the actual store. And they’ll bring a few items, it’s usually 3 or 4 things.
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
Good tactic! Any good finds?
@justbeingnosy1644
Жыл бұрын
A pair or gorgeous green leather with silk interior gloves, still looks great after 6 years, a Prada wallet and Gucci scarf.
@yoyo-dj5bv
Жыл бұрын
So do you pay for outlet price or original store price?
@justbeingnosy1644
Жыл бұрын
@@yoyo-dj5bv paid reduced/outlet price, or else it wouldn’t have been a deal
@veronicaverdesoto
Жыл бұрын
Nice to know!
@eveliinalt
Жыл бұрын
I used to dream one day to buy designer bag like Gucci or LV, lately I am disgusted by them and better will give my hard earned money to smaller not that famous designers or somebody who design and make their real leather bags and sell on Etsy, Instagram etc…
@jamesscalise4990
Жыл бұрын
LV doesn’t even have outlets, what does this video change about them
@Kat__
Жыл бұрын
LV has been having soo many quality issues
@julianpletl3061
Жыл бұрын
LV is part of the LVMH-group, which is kind of the worst Luxury group there exists.
@JE-ws7zu
Жыл бұрын
@@julianpletl3061 I’d give the #1 spot to Kering. From Balenciaga’s pedophelia promoting ads to Gucci’s blackface sweater and weird toddler mattress ads, and the racism at Alexander McQueen to the rape promoting ads of YSL…. Kering is one F*cked up conglomerate ran by some very disturbed people. That said, I agree with you-LVMH is one of the worst (it has previous ties of forced labour).
@ettorebugatti9354
Жыл бұрын
@@julianpletl3061 What other luxury group is out there? LVMH owns everything.
@mafaldagomes1710
Жыл бұрын
“…because they cannot lie to you.”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@cinderellaasmr
Жыл бұрын
Lol right?! 😂 they’re already fooling us. Most likely they don’t even know tbh lol
@dreadlock17
Жыл бұрын
Legally
@annea5781
Жыл бұрын
I think they are talking about countries in the EU where they are bound by law to answer that kind of question truthfully
@brickman3641
Жыл бұрын
@@annea5781 yes bound by law... Just like all those murderers are supposedly bound by law to not murder.
@MRtwister88
10 ай бұрын
Very dangerous words to live by!!
@harlowblackadder356
Жыл бұрын
20 years ago, outlet stores were amazing. Real stock that just didn't sell out.
@dougalvlogs4125
9 ай бұрын
Most things 20 years ago was real. now we are in the age of deceptive capitalism.
@NickyM_0
3 ай бұрын
Everything back in the day was of a better quality. Clothes, shoes, bags, food, furniture, jewelry, watches, etc. Back in the day you couldn’t pay £30 for something that was not leather and you could never describe anything thing that wasn’t leather as leather. It annoys me when influencers call the LV canvas, ‘leather’🙄.
@harlowblackadder356
3 ай бұрын
@@NickyM_0 truth
@achromaphile
Жыл бұрын
Not you casually shading the simplicity of the Saint Laurent tote which is an official bag available in their boutiques (which is NOT a made-for-outlet item) 💀
@dlightfulheiress
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@akiyatiffany
Жыл бұрын
On top of that. The regular ones in the regular store are VERY CHEAP to produce as well! 😂
@YourRichLifeMedia
Жыл бұрын
@@akiyatiffany VERY!!!
@lulubear3063
Жыл бұрын
Yeh he clearly doesn’t know his stuff lol outlet stores have loads of items that were originally full price in stores
@HillbillyYEEHAA
Жыл бұрын
Good thing I only buy things that I actually like and not just labels .
@ruminationstation4200
Жыл бұрын
If it was just about the label, he'd have no issue with outlet lines though? They still have the Prada label. He listed material quality as a major difference....
@HillbillyYEEHAA
Жыл бұрын
@RuminationStation that's fine if you love it.
@vialogan
Жыл бұрын
Bottom line, no handbag is worth 2 or 5 or 10 thousand dollars. As long as women are willing to pay it, it will continue to exist. If the women of the world banned Prada or Coach or Gucci for two weeks - didn't buy anything - they'd be forced to drastically reduce their prices or go out of business. Simple.
@virginiarose7971
Жыл бұрын
This is why I stay away from outlets. If I’m going to purchase pricey items I don’t want to worry that they are sub par to grab what I’ve been led to believe is a deal. 🙅🏽♀️
@isobel64
Жыл бұрын
or you could just ask the sales people for items directly from the store and they usually provide it.
@virginiarose7971
Жыл бұрын
@@isobel64 yeah maybe
@rain637a
Жыл бұрын
I'm here for the accent🙈
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
Hiyaa
@Ashley-dy7bx
Жыл бұрын
Said no one ever
@SwathiSasidharan
Жыл бұрын
Me too
@tinachristine4573
Жыл бұрын
@user-rh4hp4pf9h I like the accent actually. It sounds like a real person and not an automaton.
@DhavalBrahmbhatt2627
Жыл бұрын
True! The real content is the accent!
@muhammadanwar1698
Жыл бұрын
This is where they make the most money- selling them for a cheaper price with cheaper materials ...hmmm... this just goes to show that their target audience for the actual stores are not enough and need to grade down as the wider audience are in the outlet stores
@nickcorleone8709
Жыл бұрын
No. It means they lure people into the brand at a lower, more affordable price point. If people then ‘buy into’ the brand they then tend to subsequently spend more on current season items from its prominent boutiques.
@susanf.hudsonvalleyn.y.7550
8 ай бұрын
Ralph Lauren does the same thing. I worked for them at the corporate level.
@Guitargoddess843
Жыл бұрын
Because people buy luxury Brands to show off more so than they do for their quality. Go ahead and tell me that I'm wrong, and then think of all of the people who love to flash their Gucci everything or their Louis Vuitton bag. Yes, there are people who buy luxury brands for high quality handmade products, and there are those who say that that's why they buy them, and there are those who just outright buy them to show off. The truth is, you can find independent Crafts People who also Source high quality materials and make their bags or their clothes or whatever by hand, and they sell products that are going to last you a lifetime, same as any of the big name brands, but without the fancy name
@ttdur8102
Жыл бұрын
So.. I heard in Italy, there are certain regions where "made for outlet" is against the law and punishable by a fine because they want consumers to have the legitimate expectation of getting products from previous collections. More specifically "The Mall" in Tuscany 🤔
@bleeker111
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been to this outlet mall multiple times and everything is true runway and store pieces. They don’t stock outlet line items, just in store items that didn’t sell I guess.
@nickcorleone8709
Жыл бұрын
Correct
@EaRebel
Жыл бұрын
I took a sociology class in college where they taught us all this. They said even the dollar stores do it. That’s why you’ll see, let’s say finish quantum 4 pack for $1.25. The regular stores don’t even sell that size. Also, Heinz will make a ketchup and name it some off brand and change the size and sell it at the $1.25 store. If you look you will notice a lot of this stuff. They also, at outlets, sell misfit stuff. It could be something as simple as the stitch was supposed to be black but it’s blue or it was supposed to be a double stitch and it’s only 1. Most of it you don’t notice. I did, however once, get an Armani shirt where the left arm was longer than the right. I didn’t notice until I put it on and it was hanging over my hand. Those things are rare but it happens.
@itslatasha4726
Жыл бұрын
Yep. I realized this over a decade ago. Outlets were for unsold goods. But then stores were created to specifically sale the cheaper items, because outlets became popular. Any time something is mass produced like that the quality goes down. But the price somehow remains the same or increases.
@ifeifesi
Жыл бұрын
I bought a bag from Coach in Bicester. I use that leather bag every day for 4 years and it looks the same as the day I bought it.
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
That's impressive!!
@amidzeineddine
Ай бұрын
the point is to sell to the customers who want the brand but cant afford it. they produce a cheaper version and sell it to them, simple. Their real customers aren’t shopping at outlets.
@zaasfromparis
7 ай бұрын
It depends of the country I think . In France you can’t put on sales or outlet items who had not been in stores for at least a month.
@NKelly-yc1wt
Жыл бұрын
This is true for most outlets. Oftentimes the label tells it’s origin because the labels inside the garments will say the name of the store and then outlet. The quality’s always lesser. 😔
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
Interesting thanks for sharing!
@laurapaolino212
8 ай бұрын
Buying an original fake bag is another level.of stupidity 😂😂😂
@babesreunite
Жыл бұрын
If it is poorer quality/material, it just brings down the brand's reputation IMO.
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
Facts. This is why some brands have killed their own image because they put too much into their outlets (Michael Kors etc)
@tomcat7843
Жыл бұрын
That's what you get when your trying to impress with labels.
@Norita72cox
Жыл бұрын
So basically you're paying for the name only not for the quality 😂
@krisindc
10 ай бұрын
THIS MAKES ME SOOOOO ANGRY! I’ve been duped!
@fionadeering5512
Жыл бұрын
I worked in an outlet center and this is 100% true! we sold a range of jeans called "MFO's" aka- made for outlet.
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
Yes! Thanks for sharing Fiona 🥰
@jettereq272
10 ай бұрын
so do they actually have the actual NOT MFO pcs but just needed to be asked? why don't they just have them out?
@AIartBonaza
Жыл бұрын
We need to stop buying this crap and take care of each other instead !
@CactusClai
8 ай бұрын
Best is to avoid expensive brands. There’s non branded quality clothing everywhere. Is just tacky to walk around with brand tags on worn on your body.
@ryoki84
Жыл бұрын
Actually who did not know that before?😅😂 that’s what outlets do nowadays, not just the luxury brands but all of them. And no, there are not just products exclusively made for outlets but old slow moving articles - you‘ll never find a bestseller in an outlet
@marynorton6068
Жыл бұрын
You’d be amazed. Some people get so angry and they find out nearly 90% of outlet products are made for outlet and we’re never sold at the rrp on the label. As if brands would open and run a store to sell at a loss!!😂😂😂😂
@jettereq272
10 ай бұрын
just like how u find signature labels in COSTCO
@victoriaci
Жыл бұрын
Mango does the same :) You'd think it's not such an expensive brand but they do it as well.
@HamelinSong
Жыл бұрын
For those curious about the "crazy one in Italy" it's called 'The Mall Firenze' and it's 20 minutes away from Florence
@jettereq272
10 ай бұрын
do they really sell.original items? scary to shop in "not actual retail stores there bec of so many fake items
@rebelprep
Жыл бұрын
This is VERY true. But, if you love love love luxury, you may only have $500 to spend after years of saving and an outlet bag can bring years of happiness. Just another perspective! I also have had 1 or 2 good experiences, a Bottega snap bag and a Prada micro cahier in ostrich that's stunning but few and far between! Just know what you're buying so you can feel good about how you're spending your money💜
@the_endling
10 ай бұрын
Everybody knows that, if I want luxury I pay for it
@2n2533
Жыл бұрын
I’ve actually had decent luck with the outlets. I always manage to get the actual retail pieces. Asking the sales associates goes a long way.
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!!
@waytansea
Жыл бұрын
I love this format guys 🥰 it’s so interesting and well explained!
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
Thankyou!! Glad you enjoy 🫶🏽♥️
@rogeriamoreira1123
Жыл бұрын
No matter whether from actual stores or outlet stores, they all look cheap nowadays 😂
@marianak6165
Жыл бұрын
True, the designs and colours are getting uglier each year. Also these massive in your face logos ugh 😑
@sherirodriguez209
8 ай бұрын
Gotta love luxury brands that create entire movements to battle against counterfeiting - and yet literally manufacture knockoffs under their own label
@phiakate
9 ай бұрын
So I bought a bag from Gucci in a bright colour, I sat on it for a couple years. When I tried to sell it on the resale companies kept telling me it was a fake. If I had not gone to the store myself and paid for it myself, I would have taken the resellers word that it is fake but of course it is not.
@IAmEmber
Жыл бұрын
This is true for almost outlets! Glad you’re letting ppl know those luxury purchases aren’t luxury quality- just have the label
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!!
@AAZ1126
7 ай бұрын
I think this vary per country, like in the US, kate spade/coach got separate products for retail and outlet, but if you go to outlets in Japan, retail products are also sold in outlets, you're assured that they aren't inferior materials coz the Japanese are very strict in authenticity
@Jayxroberts
10 ай бұрын
There’s a reason why they have them overseas. It’s actually illegal in the US for them not to have it openly on the tag that it’s made for an outlet or if it’s true stock.
@MarthaSanchez-qc5wm
Жыл бұрын
Evil brands when people going to understand
@LittleMew133
10 ай бұрын
Not sure if I can live life with a round Prada buckle vs a Prada square buckle to be honest. LIFE CHANGER.
@thebaggeek
Жыл бұрын
I doubt the sales people even know
@rosequartzjewelryllc
Жыл бұрын
Most do they come from the specific specialty stores. When I work at Ks I set them aside for customers that were nice to me 😅 I would let them know before putting them out. Be nice to all the sales associates if you’re into shopping luxury brands.
@peanutbuttertime9209
Жыл бұрын
The ones the MK store I went to knew
@christinagracewhite
Жыл бұрын
They have monthly/quarterly meetings. They know
@Seraphine07F
9 ай бұрын
Gucci never used to do this. Previous CEOs at Gucci would never hv allowed this. Dreadful business 🙏🇬🇧
@vannieroumelia4901
Жыл бұрын
Glad I don’t obsess over labels, I knew brands do this that is why it’s so much cheaper. Sometimes you may be lucky to get a piece from the actual store, I first noticed this years ago because I like to feel and examine materials and can tell quality right away.
@jpfeif29
Жыл бұрын
What’s the difference with the price on inferior materials? 5$ instead of 7.50$
@chauminh
Жыл бұрын
Merci. If you buy luxury from the outlet. To me just as long it is good quality last long. Or else it cheapens the brand
@WomanOfGod-us9ne
9 ай бұрын
That’s why I stick to LV…they would NEVER
@montyjohnn2826
Жыл бұрын
Prada in the outlet is significantly reduced in price. I love the outlets
@marynorton6068
Жыл бұрын
You can get really good bargains on clearance in prada. They call it “special price”
@Throatzillaaa
Жыл бұрын
The way he said "ask them because they cannot lie to you" reminds me of people in movies being like "a vampire cannot enter a home or building unless they are invited" lol like it's just some strange rule about the universe we live in.
@SAYA-gu3mi
Жыл бұрын
It’s not a strange rule, it’s simply the law
@Throatzillaaa
Жыл бұрын
@SAYA if it is a law that a sales person in a store cannot lie to you, it is absolutely not an enforced law.
@almamater9566
6 ай бұрын
Should be illegal. It's not really outlet then. Just a cheaper line. Totally gross
@lisakosler2342
9 ай бұрын
Omg, outlets are last season merchandise. Slight defects, returns. Thats it
@gameplaygirl3268
Жыл бұрын
I thought this was really well known now. The made for outlet stuff usually looks really cheap and tacky tbh or just really plain
@smusaful
9 ай бұрын
Thanks to this channel gor opening up my eyes to this. Bicester gets so overcrowded with customers that cone from all over. They are seriously being ripped off and laughed at by these fashion houses
@AyshKing
Жыл бұрын
Be a shame if this was a paid sponsor Don't take the Mark of the Beast! (666)
@ilariacaporali677
Жыл бұрын
This is not true in generale. The mall shops (the one mentioned in Italy in Incisa, near Florence) like Prada and Gucci sells previous collections items mainly. Source: me, who actually go shopping there yearly to catch a few stunning pieces from past collections😊
@jeremyepstein7977
Жыл бұрын
Yeah...stopped shopping at outlets years ago.
@OmPrakashSahu.legend
8 ай бұрын
This ascent is brusting my cells.
@Bliu2th
Жыл бұрын
So companies are mad that other people make knock off versions of their products...when the same company makes a similar knock off version of theirs?
@jak9483
Жыл бұрын
In the USA, our outlet stores sometimes sell the actual stores merchandize if it's end of line, or a return for example.
@singhjaskiran
Жыл бұрын
Why does it feels like she is not behaving or talking natural but rather acting as if she is delivering dialogues⁉️🤣
@sangaywangdi8641
Жыл бұрын
If you close your eyes, you can hear paddy pimblett.
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
lol
@iSurrenderOhGod
4 ай бұрын
Not always true... a fendi sweat shirt i wanted 2 years ago for 1350 retail i found for 750 in an outlet years later. Same exact sweat shirt.
@juliac8225
4 ай бұрын
Ive bought bags from coach and kate spade outlets and the quality is great. Still have them and no wear and tears.
@Patryk-y
9 ай бұрын
they can not lie to you ! they just say ‘i dont know’
@princesssolace4337
Жыл бұрын
Sum Chinese dude are supplying it from sweatshops in Vietnam , Indonesia and Mynmar , maybe Thailand where once they got everything.. Those Chinese dudes also involved in human trafficking. U ought to know about the bodies in shipping containers
@mmizzles
10 ай бұрын
You overestimate salesperson's integrity 😶
@danten-bd3jh
Жыл бұрын
Nike and Tommy have been doing this for years
@beezzarro
Жыл бұрын
This is so wildly off topic for me that i think the algorithm disengaged with this suggestion
@alinocencio1798
Жыл бұрын
“Because they can not lie to you” is actually A LIE
@MOTM1234
Жыл бұрын
no, they are not allowed to lie
@be83
10 ай бұрын
Huh, good to know. It's like Black Friday deals for most stores. The products, especially electronics, will be specially made for Black Friday. Cheaper materials and so forth. It's not really the deal you think it is.
@Burn_pits
Жыл бұрын
Still too expensive and worthless in my opinion. Go to any leathertown in the US or your region. You will find bags, wallets, and luggage that no one will ever be able to have because it’s one off at a tenth of a price. I paid for a bag, purse, wallet, and belt from a small leathertown store in America that’s one door down from the tannery getting the best leather first. My total cost was 500 dollars. Oh and we got to design the bag with the lady and her husband.
@blktauna
Жыл бұрын
People didn't kno this? You're doing a service pointing this stuff out. Always ask. Coach outlet bags are not bad though. Just be prepared when you go, so you know what you are looking at.
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
🥰
@lisafeldmann9863
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I have bought from the Coach outlet stores and I love my products. I compared a quilted black wallet I bought there with the current model in the regular store. Both had the same quality hardware except that mine was gold with black leather instead of the more current gunmetal finish.
@noeinroad7294
Жыл бұрын
One of the pros of purchasing an authentic brand bag is that repairs and cleaning are often free. Not always though.
@AnnettaDarandri
Жыл бұрын
Agree, Coach Outlet stuff are good, no plain generic designs and quality wise they’re good. Same buttery zipper etc. Just lighter hardwear. US brand with bad outlet items is Tory Burch. Ugly plain generic leather bags with some logo buckle slapped on them.
@sunshinelizard1
Жыл бұрын
Designers have been making lower quality shoes for Nordstrom Rack for decades. A friend of mine and me figured this out and asked a sales person and she confirmed. It's deceitful and caused me lose all respect for the designers who were peddling such lies to us, making buyers think they got a deal when they didn't.
@catharineholton49
Жыл бұрын
How has this guy become so knowledgeable???
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
Ben's been creating content for years, researching and running Luxe Collective (we buy and sell preloved luxury items)... so has been able to soak up so much knowledge!
@ghulamnakashband6924
9 ай бұрын
Their ascent bro😅 . It's lovely
@Ale-fd6uj
Жыл бұрын
Scousers makes everything sound rehearsed
@blt4239
Жыл бұрын
Give us some credit: most of us already know that outlet stores are not the high end brands.
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
🏆🫡
@RiftenRaccoon
Жыл бұрын
I work for a company that does this. It’s wild how many people don’t know, I try to tell customers about the difference as well. Also doesn’t make me look bad having someone go to a separate store mentioning you by name lol
@hayk903
Жыл бұрын
The outlets like for Prada ain’t even cheap lol
@alexandramachado3124
8 ай бұрын
A Liverpool accent talking about lux brands is such a great
@uropy
6 ай бұрын
Just avoid outlet for god’s sake. Why going to outlet when you can shop for sale from luxury EC. The existence of outlet itself puzzles me.
@Florentine1993
9 ай бұрын
The accent gets me everytime liverpool😂😂
@Seraphine07F
9 ай бұрын
Don't worry - the real one isn't actually Saffiano either (Most of it!) Prada is not good quality Newsflash..!! 🙄🤭🙏🇬🇧
@seannadiaz4028
Жыл бұрын
I agree, but I also disagree because I bought a Gucci bag from the outlet store in Palm Springs. That is the same bag that they have in the Gucci store in San Diego.
@nickcorleone8709
Жыл бұрын
Two Scousers whose idea of a roast dinner is a beef pot noodle!
@luxecollective
Жыл бұрын
hey roast dinners are unreal!!
@nickcorleone8709
Жыл бұрын
@@luxecollective With soy sauce?!
@jam9859
Жыл бұрын
The point in that is its still above a cheaper brand, still looks good, and not everyone has 1000s to throw around at an accessory
@victorfinke8781
Жыл бұрын
True luxury brands don’t do outlets change my mind
@drakeperry667
7 ай бұрын
The girl in this is so bad. She shouldn’t be working in media 💀
@axutau
9 ай бұрын
I am not fancy branded bags. When I look at them, they look cheap bags to me. Very often cheap bags £30 same as £5,000,...
@pedallog6378
Жыл бұрын
The accent though....magnificent.
@SignedWithBlood
Жыл бұрын
Even their crap is overpriced.
@KssN27
Жыл бұрын
It’s not luxury but learned that for Levi’s, to know they’re premium you look for the capitalized E in levi on the red tab of the butt and the label will be branded, not stamped with red ink.
@GaliadelaRosa
Жыл бұрын
Not only luxury brands are doing this, i have seen Nike and Underarmour "outlet exclusive" lines, that lack the desing and materials of their regular lines, i have seen knockoffs of those same brands with higher quality than their "outlet exclusive" ones.
@DreadlockWonder
Жыл бұрын
(“Can’t lie” is jokessss)
@myrnajucar3498
Жыл бұрын
It is better to buy non branded bags or products that are unique designs too.
@andrewv8472
Жыл бұрын
People NEED to know this! My mom saved up and took me out to get a coach bag (yes I know that isn’t a great designer but leave me alone) so we went to an outlet and bought one. While the gesture was so nice, the purse itself is so fake feeling and not on brand other than the color and design.
@mrandmrscorona8658
Жыл бұрын
I’ve compare Gucci outlet pants Vs Retail pants and structurally they are still better than other brands… Made a video “designer pants inside out”
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