Low GPU usage on Elden Ring is because the games Gfx engine won't allow for more than 60fps as it's locked to the games physics, so its not really a good game for judging GPU performance.
@decegrease
Ай бұрын
Well you can get around that but if you're online it'll be flagged as hacking. Same with ultrawide. I don't get why Japanese companies make these masterpieces that don't have modern features
@DarrenPC
Ай бұрын
Yeah, theres a mod that can unlock fps, but even then its fairly bottlenecked and probably wouldn’t be a great example of egpu usage
@decegrease
Ай бұрын
@DarrenPC oh yeah I wouldn't use Elden Ring for a test like that at all lol. But I see why he included it since it's super popular especially since SotE
@KogaHarine
Ай бұрын
@decegrease Ultrawide not being added other than through mods is really the part that killed my interest in coming back to the dlc. I want to play with friends but I also want to play on my ultrawide monitor which is my main gaming monitor at this point and makes the game way more immersive and cinematic...
@decegrease
Ай бұрын
@@KogaHarine so if your friends are on PC you can play a REAL co op mode, not the summoning system but actually play the entire game together with a mod. And you can pull your old saves into it. It's pretty cool. Then you can use the high refresh rate and ultrawide mods to your hearts content lol
@BlobBlobkins
Ай бұрын
GPU size now is like a full mini tower pc
@entropete_
Ай бұрын
12:34
@zoinked1351
Ай бұрын
@@entropete_ there are sff cases with smaller footprint than that minisforum egpu thingy
@entropete_
Ай бұрын
@@zoinked1351 oh yeah definitely, a ton of my friends do TINY desktop builds
@yensteel
Ай бұрын
@@zoinked1351Velka 5- like ones for the win.
@wfb.subtraktor311
Ай бұрын
At this point GPUs have almost all the components needed to actually just be a pc. If they took away the useless tensor cores and put something akin to an intel e-core based quad-core solution on there you would really only have to replace some gddr chips with permanent memory and you basically have everything you need.
@WhiskeyEcho-wz9xv
Ай бұрын
I have always thought the enclosures were very overpriced boxes, having jumped in when they first came out with my old laptop. It is great to see something much simpler released!
@coolunusual
8 күн бұрын
The enclosures are much simpler since they have the PSU built in. Just insert the card, power it and connect the display. The reason they're overpriced is at the time it was new, it was a premium product, thunderbolt is an Intel branded protocol so that has costs and whatnot added.
@drewnewby
Ай бұрын
Some misinformation in the comments. OCuLink isn't dead. It's an open source standard. It doesn't have the overhead of USB, or the licensing cost of Thunderbolt. M.2 to OCuLink adapters are readily available. Newer Minisforum devices include them, like the UM890 Pro. I sound like a salesperson at this point, but I've never even considered a mini PC. For those that have though, that UM890 Pro is even under $600 right now with the dock.
@tadawakatsu
Ай бұрын
Yeah, I really don't understand the people that say "JuSt WaIt fOr TB5, OcUlInK is sHEEt" (no shade to Russ of course); Thunderbolt in every generation is going to be way more expensive, and (from what I understand cmiiw) TB5 will only give up to x4 pcie speeds for each high bandwidth device, the same effective speed as oculink.
@elirantuil5003
Ай бұрын
@@tadawakatsuthat doesn't add up, I remember seeing it was 30% more effective BW
@ColorblindMonk
Ай бұрын
Even open standards can stagnate. It shows with the lack of any perceived movement in the development of Oculink, and that only a handful of Chinese consumer brands like Minisforum even bother themselves with the standard.
@drewnewby
Ай бұрын
@ColorblindMonk I was specifically referring to your other comment. You are out of touch, likely out of industry, and regardless do not know what has driven adoption.
@user-ds8rj2vc4v
Ай бұрын
I mean, whats the point of a mini PC and an eGPU. The eGPU is the size of an SFF. So it doesnr save space. Its not cheaper. And you cant play on thr go like a handheld
@ralphmcmahan2139
Ай бұрын
Silverstone's SFX power supplies are also designed to be quieter than most standard power supplies. Another reason this supply is $120 instead of the $65.
@bron2078
Ай бұрын
I actually disagree on this one. They use a cheap 2 wire fan with bad fan curves. They also shudder as they hit their zero rpm fan curve. I have a video on my channel. Their internal construction is a lot cheaper than say a Corsair or an Evga psu.
@meateaw
Ай бұрын
Compare to cheap PSUs the silver stones will turn the fan off at low usage. It's better than a cheap PSUs, even if it isn't the best@@bron2078
@Cary_mac
Ай бұрын
Most if not all SFX PSU are $100. If you find one for less it’s likely a no-name brand.
@flamingscar5263
Ай бұрын
one thing to note is that if you're a tinkerer like me, Oculink is just PCIe, plain and simple, which means it takes no more then plugging a M.2 to Oculink adapter into any M.2 slot on a device to give it Oculink, if you have a laptop that has an extra M.2 slot (extra as one would be used up by your SSD) then you can do this, idk of any handhelds with more then just the 1 M.2 slot on them, but if were really talking about tinkering, I seen someone make a custom M.2 to oculink adapter for the ROG Ally that has 1 of the 4 PCIe lanes leading to an M.2 slot on the adapter, allowing for using both an eGPU (at PCIe 3x speed) and the SSD (at 1x speed) Edit: just to throw more tinkering ideas out there, there is a dock made by Jsaux for the steam deck with a built in M.2 slot for a SSD, I had the idea of mounting that onto the back of my steam deck and replacing the internal SSD with an Oculink adapter, and the Jsaux dock (unlike most M.2 to USB adapters) still allows for charging passthrough with a USB C port on the dock, so you wouldn't be sacrificing really anything but a little bit of extra weight
@takatamiyagawa5688
16 күн бұрын
Am I correct in assuming that, even if I used my laptop's only M.2 slot with 4 pcie lanes for oculink, the bandwidth would not be much better than thunderbolt 3 because the system uses pcie gen 3?
@flamingscar5263
14 күн бұрын
@@takatamiyagawa5688 about the same bandwidth, but you would still see better performance with oculink because of latency, thunderbolt has to convert the signal from PCIe to USB back to PCIe, so it has much longer latency which lowers performance, oculink just is PCIe
@bobbastian760
26 күн бұрын
eGPU is FAR better than a desktop. You can own 1 computer, you don't have to buy 2 (laptop + desktop), you can focus all your cash on buying and upgrading one better computer and eGPU is almost as fast as desktop. You never have to sync files between the two, you just take it with you when you travel or walk around your house/city, you can game anywhere (if you have a winmax still at decent speed even without eGPU). It's the best of all worlds. Almost everybody should have a small laptop + eGPU. It's just better with really zero downsides.
@yfnratchet
3 күн бұрын
I own a desktop and a laptop. I use them for completely different things. For what the laptop and desktop is separate, I would end up paying the same if not more for a more powerful and OcuLink-capable laptop, the DEG1, a dedicated GPU, and a power supply as I would for them to be separate, not even including that I wouldn't have had access to ANY of the required parts at the opportune prices they are now and would have to shell out the $300ish for a Razer Core X instead (and probably end up paying peak crypto boom prices on a GPU), practically guaranteeing that it would be a more expensive purchase than it would have been to just do it separate. That also doesn't account for the fact that I would have to specifically look for a laptop with upgradable memory since I came upon the need to upgrade the RAM in my desktop, and-oh wait, I can't upgrade the CPU. As soon as it gets too outdated to play the games I want to play or do the work I do, I have to get an entirely new and _just as expensive_ laptop, likely one that supports a different memory standard, making the RAM upgrade useless as well. And now I have to transfer my system over, because the OS install on my old drive is filled with drivers and cached shaders compatible with a _different laptop._ For all the percieved convenience a 'do everything' system presents on the surface, it's just a delayed deluge of _inconvenience,_ a can getting kicked down a road.
@EremittV
Ай бұрын
I really want the Steam Deck 2 to have this port. Docking your handheld to play your games in higher quality is going to change a lot. Docked: competent Gaming PC replacement Handheld: versatile handheld gaming device. And that for way cheaper than having separate systems. And it really helps that you can time the upgrade paths separately. You might want te replace your handheld faster than your GPU.
@LuminousSpace
Ай бұрын
yeah rn only cn handheld have oculink, ally x only have usb4, and others too, usb4 is too limited is just far too low performance for me that i end up using oculink all the time
@168original7
28 күн бұрын
No, most people aren't going to do this.😂
@bobbastian760
26 күн бұрын
My only computer is a GPD Winmax 2 2023. I use it over oculink with 4070 for gaming, as a desktop workstation, PCVR machine, as a laptop for work. Double the onboard power of a Steam Deck and runs full windows too. Highly recommended. 10" not much bigger than a steam deck but double the power and vast storage and RAM available.
@asldfjkalsdfjasdf
16 күн бұрын
You could also mount the mini PC to the back of the monitor and the only thing that sits on your desk will be this dock. Pretty sleek.
@seanscott1933
Ай бұрын
Good to see this review. There was a "mishap" with my daughter's computer and most of it got fried. I was able to salvage the GPU CPU and SDD (luckily I also had a spare PSU hanging around as well). I ordered the DEG1 in hopes of getting a mini PC to get for my daughter as she will be using it for college and at some point she may be moving out of town to pursue her education. What I found was the MS-A1 (which actually arrived as I was typing this) to pair up with the dock. So now that I've made a short story long, I feel confident that I made the right choice getting this dock. Thanks for the review Russ, as always I appreciate the honesty and clear communication that you convey in your reviews!
@VitorMach
Ай бұрын
It's important to note that the rated PSU wattage is the sum of all voltage rails, which means the max power draw from the 12V rail (GPUs use this one) might be lower than the total rated power. Nowadays most PSUs have high wattage for the 12V rail, but if you decide to cheap out on it, it's best to check.
@l3lue7hunder12
Ай бұрын
Nice video. There is one more reason an eGPU might make sense: If you want to add a secondary GPU to your setup, because fitting two into one case usually does not work out anymore. Those types of setup make sense if you want to split your resources to different displays or types of application, or if one GPU has features the other doesn't. This topic came up a lot when the Intel Arc series launched, because adding something like a little Arc 380 to your setup provided you with features like AV1 encoding and AI acceleration.
@Dracossaint
Ай бұрын
9:03 russ something ya may like is they make custom length psu cables. You can even get them in custom colors without added cost. Cablemod is who i would suggest for that. Making it supper clean and adding s touch of flair if ya like.
@E_Sunbro
Ай бұрын
I wish that MinisForum unit had USB4 in addition to Oculink.
@FFXfever
Ай бұрын
Based on what Russ said, it's just a generic pcie to oculink riser in a new shell. So it won't have any active adapter and licensing for usb4.
@flamingscar5263
Ай бұрын
not really possible, USB4 and Oculink are EXTREAMLY different, Oculink is just PCIe, bog standard PCIe just in a fancy cable, its part of the PCIe spec, it is PCIe USB4 uses whats called PCIe tunneling, this means it adapts the PCIe standard into the USB standard and then back into PCIe for the computer to understand this means any USB4/thunderbolt dock needs active hardware on board to adapt the standards, which adds price, and if you wanted both USB4 and Oculink you would need even more hardware on board to detect which cable is being used and direct the PCIe connection from one to the other, adding more cost, quickly you'd have a dock probably more expensive then either an oculink or USB4 dock, you could probably just buy 2 individual docks and save money, this doesn't even mention USB4 license fees which add even more cost and complexity
@TheJmac82
Ай бұрын
@@flamingscar5263 USB4 is crap compared to oculink though. I have both and oculink is actually my go to now for local LLMs. USB4 playing games will lose ~30% fps but oculink is almsot 100% like 99+. While doing llms i do a x16 to 4x nvme pcie 4.0 x4 with oculink adapters in it. I can get full speed out of 4 4090's in ML from consumer grade equipmnet. That doesnt even mention you can actually get oculink 4.0 x8. The only advantage of USB4 is not having to reboot after plugging it in.
@jeddpires
Ай бұрын
@@TheJmac82while true, would have wanted to at least get its ability to supply power to a device, so that I wont need two power sockets to power my setup
@TheJmac82
Ай бұрын
@@jeddpires I dont disagree one bit, I didnt mean to say its perfect, but more to say i am very unhappy with TB/USB4 performance in general. I dont know why it is so hard to make a 16 channel cable that has power as well even if that cable needs to be isolated (as in data on one side with a small gap in between the two and another one as long as its one single cable.
@JaelTanalepy
Ай бұрын
Just waiting till there are more laptops with thunderbolt 5 port + thunderbolt 5 egpu docks. Oculink would be nice but I just don’t see most laptop brands do a oculink port. Especially since they start cutting out so many ports.
@Edgar-ob9vq
Ай бұрын
Yep , that’s why Im stuck with ASUS proprietary XGmobile, until Thunderbolt 5 comes out and gets reviewed well. TB4 is so limited
@RetroGameCorps
Ай бұрын
Agreed, can’t wait for TB5.
@HypocritesExposd
Ай бұрын
I bet those TB5 eGPU docks are going to be more money than video cards though!
@CallMeRabbitzUSVI
Ай бұрын
@@HypocritesExposdYep,
@jdavidaiken
25 күн бұрын
Nope. AMD has already made Occulink a requirement for their upcoming chipset. Tb5 is still going to be a USB C connector with pcie tunneling, so it's easy to say that Occulink will be widely supported and more compatible overall, since it's just an external PCIe x8 connection
@greenmesjasz
Ай бұрын
The day this set up will work with some steamdeck furure edition is the day I sell my current desktop and live a happy life, hopefully next 5 years 😂
@FrankelysHernandez
Ай бұрын
i have a desktop pc no one but 2 and i dont know why but i feel the need to buy a mini pc and egpu is this normal? xD
@greenmesjasz
Ай бұрын
@@FrankelysHernandez well the problem is that now creating set ups became your hobby so if u are npt rather wealthy I suggest starting to flip em after u run out of rooms without a screen/pc. So if my wife will leave me after buying 4th handheld I'll blame Russ @retrogsmecorpse
@FrankelysHernandez
Ай бұрын
@@greenmesjasz hahahahaha
@NeroVingian40
Ай бұрын
It has fans, so it’s definitely sucking.
@soli-ethd
Ай бұрын
Nah, this blows
@hiepbenh88
Ай бұрын
If u already have GPU and power supply and dont want to wasted them then 100$ for EGPU is not a problem but u need mini pc or laptop with USB 4 or Oculink, they are not cheap :)
@DaBrown101
16 күн бұрын
There are m.2 to oculink connectors but only would work if you have a second m.2 connection or use a SATA SSD and then use the m.2 connection for the oculink for about $35 and then this would be doable.
@philfrankly
16 күн бұрын
I see another use case where you want to regularly move a GPU around the house from media PC to office PC. Couch gaming then geeking out in your simulator using only one GPU.
@thomaschipman
Ай бұрын
power profile is also a huge plus for some people using static devices. being able to effectively remove the gpu from the power draw equation when it isn't needed is a pretty solid benefit.
@zedorda1337
Ай бұрын
Desktops already have been doing that for decades. The fans even shut off while not in use. Like when you are watching youtube and not gaming. WTF did you think the GPU was running at full power all the time?
@Seanbo88
Ай бұрын
Minisforum: Here, review this mini PC Russ: Not yet, your dock is better 😅 Respect.
@jierenzheng7670
Ай бұрын
This reminds me of the Aliexpress DIY dock but with oculink instead of an nvme drive connector.
@patrickmeyer5902
Ай бұрын
The Joyce Manor shirt - Russ is eternally cool as fuck!!
@kylejaeger7197
Ай бұрын
Wholeheartedly agree, really hope they take your feedback and create one with USB4/thunderbolt as well. Would buy immediately
@asimplefarmer
Ай бұрын
Same, even though you get less bandwidth with usb4, it would open this up to more options.
@cajampa
Ай бұрын
It has to come sooner or later because it is such a good idea to have it universal like that. But it will rise the price to at least the double for sure.
@denmaakujin9161
Ай бұрын
You would get less and pay more it
@cajampa
Ай бұрын
@@denmaakujin9161 No. You would pay more and get more. How exactly do you get less with more connection options? You are making zero sense dude.
@denmaakujin9161
Ай бұрын
@@cajampa chill, I'll explain. thunderbolt devices get a higher price tag because of certification requirements and so from Intel. Oculink has more bandwidth and it's faster than thunderbolt. There for you get less performance for more money.
@Silversurfer9821
Ай бұрын
Great video, trying to match the right GPU with available bandwidth is tricky... also after hearing your Pro's and Con's I actually saw there is a dock very similar to this one but it also has USB-4. It's called a "One Dock" there is a v2 out by now and The Phawxs tested out the original model.
@cajampa
Ай бұрын
Not really, a 4090 only losses 8% at PCIe 2 16x speed and that is the same as Oculink speed.
@dgevert
Ай бұрын
Yowza, your Win Max 2 is cooking at 28W. 95 degrees Celsius! I don't run mine at high TDP much. Lossless Scaling or AFMF would do wonders with an egpu connected to a high refresh rate monitor.
@abid2586
29 күн бұрын
Exactly. I didn't know there was that big of a difference between 7840u and 8840u. My win 4 8840u runs at locked 45fps with same settings he was using with only 13-14watts and temp stay around 65 degrees
@johnharris3311
Ай бұрын
I'd never use an external GPU with a mini-PC. It just doesn't make sense in a world with mini-ITX PC cases, which can be very small and have all the advantages of regular PCs. I swear that Razor enclosure is bigger than some ITX cases I've seen. I think Russ is right that an external GPU enclosure makes the most sense as a (or as part of a) laptop docking station.
@cheeeeezewizzz
21 күн бұрын
It's great with the GPD devices. You can take the pc and all the files with you in a pocketable device, then when you wanna dock for some reason you can.
@matthewaltepeter8941
Ай бұрын
Amazon has Oculink to USB C adapters. So, a mini pc or laptop with USB C video out could potentially be utilized with this eGPU
@djmccullough9233
19 күн бұрын
lol "A company called SilverStone". Yeah. we've heard of it.
@mrp0p1nfr3shz
Ай бұрын
If you want to shrink down that M-ATX build look up the SAMA IM01. the case is under 60 usd (might be more because of shipping) and barely larger than the external doc.
@samnik97
Ай бұрын
I'll wait for 16 inch slim laptop, that can connect to oculink and it will be perfect setup
@scarx4181
15 күн бұрын
Gonna have to bookmark this because I'm planning on setting up my 3090 as an eGPU for my laptop in my RV when the 5090 comes out.
@demonzero677
15 күн бұрын
I really hope Oculink powers become a more standard inclusion on PC hardware going forward. Imagine being able to get a really inexpensive laptop for say collage, then when you get home being able to hook it up to a dock with a good GPU and getting the benefits of a desktop while keeping the benefits of a laptop. Hell, even a laptop with a rather underpowered GPU already built in for a reasonable price with the port for use with a home dock would be pretty rad. Like if Valve had thought of this with the Steam Deck, they could have made damn near the perfect gaming system. Portable with reasonable gaming performance on the go, and a home dock that add the GPU horsepower a desktop can boast, while keeping ALL your files on one system. As someone who has a reasonable desktop, and a Steam Deck honestly speaking I'd have damn near never built my PC if I had an Oculink option on the Steam Deck (and yes, I'm aware of converter cables for M.2 to add a cable. Issue there is you now have a cable you have to deal with that hinders the portable nature of the system, defeating the point) and honestly speaking, I'd buy a whole new Steam Deck if they released a revision that adds the Oculink port and probably convert my desktop to an Oculink dock for it.
@yissnakklives8866
Ай бұрын
NICE!! Was hoping for a review of this since they posted it on their website!
@ericmatos1025
Ай бұрын
The main fear is the durability of the oculink connection. Apparently it is not made to be plugged and unplugged daily like USBC. Imagine it breaking in six months…
@patrickr4538
26 күн бұрын
Fortunately, it looks like more recently released mini PCs are coming with a built in oculink port. This DEG1 is a perfect accessory for these systems. Many newer mini PCs also come with multiple M.2 ports, one of which can get used by an M.2 to oculink adapter, so I believe the DEG1 is not as niche as it seems. Seriously thinking about getting one of these. Thanks Russ!
@EnyoStudio
29 күн бұрын
E-GPU is the future. Once USB-5 is out, it will become de facto for turning tablets and phones into full PC's at home or work.
@weakness9343
14 күн бұрын
What would you even do with a GPU in android or iOS?
@bobbastian760
26 күн бұрын
Oculink + oculink open case from Chyna connected to my winmax. Done. You don't need some crazy overpriced enclosure. So much better than Thunderbolt 4. Handheld gaming computer also a laptop, workstation plugged into monitors, absolutely amazing all in one device + eGPU.
@murruhuy8085
8 күн бұрын
Thank you for this video, been waiting for a unbox video everywhere. the website doesnt say anything about the Oculink cable. :)
@Berecutecu
28 күн бұрын
The nice thing about this eGPU isn't only the points highlighted. It has a Redriver that enhances the signal quality and extends the reach of high-speed signals, enabling reliable eGPU operation. The other one that I'm aware that has this is the OCuP4v2. In terms of laptops we have the Thinkbook that was released in the Asia market with the Oculink (TGX) port out of the box. Hopefully we start seeing more laptops with Oculink ports. Lenovo seems that managed a way to not have the hotplug drawback in a device that is not a server.
@ThePhawx
Ай бұрын
OcuLink Bros!
@ekinteko
29 күн бұрын
The man, the myth, the Legion Go Tester
@KyleRuggles
Ай бұрын
This is the video that needed to be made. A comparison between these dedicated all-in-one solutions to something you can put together AND upgrade for cheaper. You can buy a used GPU or any gpu you have laying around the house! Downside it's oculink only. :( Great vid, Russ!
@myrgaan
Ай бұрын
This steamdeck mod lowkey is bussin 😮
@anks0203
27 күн бұрын
Works seamlessly with AMD GPU as well . Tested it with 7900 XTX and GPD WIn Max 2 8840U. No conflict whatsoever between the APU and the GPU. First step to do while the GPU is connected and powered on is it use AMD clean up utility to clean up all the drivers and then download the automatic driver installer . That’s it . Works
@DannyWelch
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the timely review! Just ordered one of these to replace my GPD G1. I use a GPD Win Max 2 7840u as my main PC and while the G1 has been great, the fan noise and power level had me looking around for alternatives and this is a perfect fit!
@Wooskii1
Ай бұрын
This is the first external GPU solution that I've seen without the huge flaws that usually make them a total non starter. I love the idea that maybe when I upgrade my GPU I might be able to use the old one with another device (mini PC, laptop , or handheld) The only remaining issue is the narrow Oculink compatibility. It would be nice to have a built-in USB hub, but that's a nitpick. The only other one I've considered was the Razer, but I quickly forgot about it as soon as I realized it was just a PC case and PSU for $500, no GPU.
@mwales2112
13 күн бұрын
Hey Russ maybe you can help me with an Oculink question. I have a Deg1, PSU and Powercolor 5700XT Red Devil on the way to connect to my UM780 XTX mini pc. Do know if you have any control over the card in AMD Adrenalin (or whatever nvidia uses) like fan curve, overclocking or under volting when connected through the Oculink cable? Thank you
@guido841
Ай бұрын
You are awesome, really great videos, thanks a lot for your work 😊
@soggymarshmallow
28 күн бұрын
13:13 - I'm fine with a "weird" mini pc + eGPU deconstructed aesthetic. It reminds me of a test bench pc, where piecemealing the setup can be interesting and rewarding.
@alejandroz1606
25 күн бұрын
Very nice review! just found your channel and with this only video im a subscriber
@matthewbond375
Ай бұрын
This looks amazing! I've also become fascinated with the world of mini PC's, especially in terms of their efficiency, but would not be ready to 100% lean on something like the 780M for gaming. But with this, I can keep my rx6800, and have a super efficient setup for everything else! Love it!
@Dragoninja833
Ай бұрын
Minisforum is killing it. What a great, simple solution. I'm not in the market for something like this, but if I was, I would totally get this one.
@typingcat1814
Ай бұрын
I've read in a couple of places that Oculink is going to be replaced with CopprLink, so keep an eye out for that in future docks!
@kulilin3104
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the heads up on this! Just read all the info on it, looks like they are making this in response to the popularity Oculink has gained over the past couple years and how Oculink is now a deadend. The data transfer rates of Copprlink are INSANE!
@EzaneeGires
Ай бұрын
As long as it's an open standard, that means we can continue to get cost effective generic options for docks like we do with oculink.
@kulilin3104
Ай бұрын
@EzaneeGires PCI-SIG are the ones that created the Copprlink cabling standard. They also create most of the cabling standards available for PC tech. All it needs now is to be fully vetted, then manufactured.
@EzaneeGires
Ай бұрын
@@kulilin3104 if they can make the cable connector the same shape as oculink that would be good right? Think it would be interchangeable?
@tomoprime217
Ай бұрын
I like an egpu combo with the GPD Win Mini better. You can close the clamshell and link an external mouse an keyboard in an ultra compact set up. I take my mini everywhere!
@AKG58Z
Күн бұрын
This tech had great potential just need to bring it out some more.
@MrVioletfirefly
26 күн бұрын
i watched this to the end..that says something...i subsribed btw good job man that was worth my time!
@bobbastian760
26 күн бұрын
You need PCVR to really experience spiderman, it's incredible, you're actually swinging through the city
@TVsBen
Ай бұрын
I'm a little confused about the price comparison - when you show the cost of the Minisforum, you include the GPU price. Does the Razer also include a GPU? The listing seems to indicate it does not. If not the price isn't really comparable at all, right?
@RetroGameCorps
Ай бұрын
Correct, there’s a big difference. About $215 for the DEG1 + my fancy small power supply (or $565 with the GPU), compared to $500 for the Razer dock without a GPU (and worse performance due to the lower capacity connector)
@TVsBen
Ай бұрын
@@RetroGameCorps OK thanks for replying! That's what I was taking away from it. I just got a little confused by the comparison section.
@DoopaTV
Ай бұрын
Is there any adaptor oculink to usb-c? In case I want to use this egpu with multiple devices. I know there is a bandwidth difference, but I’m curious.
@basilez
18 күн бұрын
Anything similar with USB4 instead of OcuLink?
@serg9176
25 күн бұрын
Thanks for the eGPU review. It's the only decent video on KZitem!
@rustyshakelford1466
27 күн бұрын
I appreciate this product but holy hell the footprint is big, bigger than many ITX builds. I get that it's for compatibility reasons but I wish there was a more slimline model that demanded SFX or smaller PSU and let the card hang over the edge of the base. On the upside, it's big enough that if you can route the PSU cables tight enough, there should be room in front of an SFX to tape an entire mini-PC in place back there.
@527bmanzella
Ай бұрын
Perfect timing, I was looking at doing this for Ally X.
@martinantelo7086
Ай бұрын
Can you use this with a Legion Go? I have a 3070 laying around...
@davidpower3102
23 күн бұрын
You can add OCuLink to your machine with a ~€23 M.2 adapter.
@ScroteRot
27 күн бұрын
Can't wait for them to release a full ATX case to house it all in! 😂
@charleyweinhardt
7 күн бұрын
I have a Lenovo legion go and AMD APU and a 4070 TI GPU connecting to a free sync monitor. The monitor and the GPU worked together when they were in a desktop set up. Wondering if you've gotten G sync/ freesync to work
@ezg8448
7 күн бұрын
Wish this was both USB and Oculink usable, they're effectively cutting their market size considerably.
@EzaneeGires
Ай бұрын
Russ this is one of your best vids. A must watch for anyone curious abt oculink in general.
@lemurtheory9350
Ай бұрын
Ive been thinking of building an open and modular second linux PC using this dock for a while now. Just gotta find a good time to start. Once built it'll be easier to upgrade every 5 or so years. With occulink there's a real market here for this to become modular PCs.
@christianyoung5261
16 күн бұрын
i just get a same egpu dock, and cant wait to get all thing done
@AJL713
Ай бұрын
I love that this thing exists and that it has occulink, but I agree that this should go one step forward and be a thunderbolt dock in the future as well, so to be the thing between your laptop/mini computer, and your Monitor/VR headset/etc… I also think, Minisforum is standing on really powerful combination if there next tablet has occulink or the next thunderbolt built in.
@meateaw
Ай бұрын
When choosing a powersupply that is closer to the power requirements of your psu, always check the rail wattages. The Silverstone you chose is a great PSU because the 12 volt rail (used by the gpus) is a single unified rail. Many cheaper power supplies split the 12 volt rail, which means when you comnect it yo your gpu you have to make sure you use both rails or there wont be enough power for the gpu. For example, some 450 watt psu might have 50 watts allocated to 3 volt and 5 volt rails and the remaining 400 watts allocated to 12 volt. But if the 400 watts is split across 2 rails youll only have 200 watts per rail. If your gpu needs 250 watts you need to make sure you use both power rails so younneed to plug both 12 volt cables into the gpu, you shouldnt use the splitter cables.
@andresa7159
Ай бұрын
Nice review. That is almost the same size as my mini ITX DAN A4s build with the same GPU. I’m sure thermals are better sitting there in the open though
@TBird-y4x
Ай бұрын
Great Channel! learned so much. I think you might be selling eGPU a little short on the min pc front. It would be great to do a round up of laptops and desktops with the 6/780m. I've been looking at a dell 16 laptop with a 780m for $650 but trying to build a desktop with a top iGpu at anywhere close to the $350 - $500 that you can get a 6/780m mini on amazon is tough. Given the low 30 watt tdp of the dell laptop I'd expect worse performance than the mini. Basically this eGpu looks nice for those that want to get their ps3/wii u fix on a mini and then maybe in the future step up to Cyberpunk 2077. I just can't find a desktop in the $500 range that does retro gaming as well a 6/780m mini but with the ability to at a later date add a dGpu.
@JamesSmith-sw3nk
Ай бұрын
Does external GPU dock provide 75w for cards that don't need a 6 or 8pin cable from the psu?
@RiceCubeTech
Ай бұрын
At this point you might as well have a mini itx pc. I have one and it’s about the same footprint as your setup. Some of the builds I’ve seen are smaller than yours. And you get full size CPUs, full performance ram, fully modular storage, etc. and it’s all upgradable.
@faidzfahmy5588
Ай бұрын
Love the concept and practicality but as you mentioned, it will be perfect if you're already on an Oculink ecosystem.
@93SupaFly
Ай бұрын
So this wont work im using the 2024 gpd win mini cause it doesnt have oculink port anymore?
@ben_bennie_nie
Ай бұрын
Last year i bought a pc since upgrading a minipc with a gpu wasn't really a realistic thing. Now i'm glad it's becoming one. So my next pc might well be a mini pc or laptop that i can connect a external gpu to. Just hope more docks like this pop up and it remains affordable.
@ms1595
9 күн бұрын
I think the space restrictions mentioned very often, are not very valid. Presenting an mATX case as if that was the only solution is not much. I used the NZXT H1 a while and even took it with me to hotels. I would not recommend it for traveling but its fits every desk and can support most GPUs. At least every 3060ti there is. And there are many other ITX cases that save a lot desk-space. The eGPU is a very niche solution. I have one from Sonnet that I use for Macs via Thunderbolt 3. But being honest, I am a nerd and tinkerer. To use such a set-up at home just to use a mini PC is kinda pointless. The Razer with all those ports, had the advantage to use it as a dock for Laptops. That kinda made it valid in my eyes. You get the Mobilty of a Laptop, with the graphics power at home. It can game but its not a gamer setup. Also .. need to find something with OCulink
@Tetemovies4
9 күн бұрын
eGpus is something i would have liked to have as a student
@kingzilant
Ай бұрын
This would pair so well with my kickstarter PC!
@angelonavarro8047
29 күн бұрын
What would perform better? GPD Win 4 newest model with the newest GPD G1? Or Asus ROG Ally X with the newest XG Mobile? Do either run rtx games (fortnite in mind right now) well?
@xellaz
Ай бұрын
This is the more correct way of doing an external GPU---Occulink, can accommodate almost any size GPU, and the option to use your own PSU! Now only if Minisforum can make this into an enclosure big enough for any GPU & PSU with good enough ventilation... then it'll be perfect! 🤌
@danielgriffith8911
Ай бұрын
Minisforum is one of the VERY few that are putting Oculink ports on their machines. So of course they designed a decent Oculink dock.
@ricarmig
Ай бұрын
This video gives some incorrect info: the size of the GPU + motherboard + PSU is about the size of the Razor box!!! I have one and there is barely any space left! The Minisforum solution just has everything in pieces and I’m open air and that’s why it seems smaller. But everything together is about the same volume.
@pip5528
Ай бұрын
I've got a 3050 ti 4 GB in my laptop and I feel like an eGPU would still be cheaper than a whole build even though that is a future goal of mine. Love that U-Turn Orbit on the left also.
@coolchews08
Ай бұрын
Love this video! Maybe more videos on different gpu used ?
@benjaminjohnson6936
Ай бұрын
There are some pretty interesting vertical PC case designs now that alleviate a lot of these problems. With small ITX PCs, though, you end up paying slightly more for components, but they are of course still replaceable and modular. When I started getting (back) into PC gaming more than a decade ago, I was still able to fit an ITX PC and monitor into my tiny 630 sq. ft. Seattle house. Plus, that PC still runs and is now my home NAS/server. I like mini PCs and think they have a place, but I doubt any of them will have that kind of longevity. And of course, the ability to be repaired is non-existent. I agree with Russ, though, this would be really compelling if it also had USB-C functionality, whether instead of or even in addition to the Oculink connection.
@user-em9ti4ns8s
5 күн бұрын
good video, thx. my laptop doesn’t have oculink port, can i still use it?
@yissnakklives8866
Ай бұрын
The goal I have, with using my mini-pc with this dock and an external GPU is that there are only so many things I do that require the eGPU. Everything else works great with just the mini...and that mini uses a MAX of 140 watt...my PC has a 6800xt in it that uses almost that much at idle (jk but not that much - 30-50 watt). If it runs all day, it makes a significant dent in my energy bill
@Adam-vx6to
Ай бұрын
Have a onexplayer x1 hooked up to this with a 7900xtx. It's amazing. Mobile gaming on the go and for work, top end of at home.
@MN12BIRD
Ай бұрын
Damn you went from a %60 performance gain in Zero Dawn at the same settings with TB to a %320 performance gain in Doom Eternal with oculink at HIGHER settings! This is the kind of HUGE performance gains you should expect going from a (decent) iGPU/APU to even just a mid-range (at best) GPU like the 3060 Ti and this makes eGPU's actually worth considering as IMHO the previous TB setup was just a waste of a GPU. When you're loosing most of the GPU's performance (and the enclosure with PSU costs that much) you really should just consider a budget ITX build but now we have MUCH better performance at a much lower price. Maybe the Steam Deck 2(?) or ROG Ally 2 will have oculink??
@TheMTOne
29 күн бұрын
I wish Oculink had x16 capability. I am sure we would still be bottlenecked in other areas, but it would remove the major one for performance at least by doing so.
@dreamsky66666
Ай бұрын
Russ你这跨界跨的太大了,外接电脑显卡也测评上了。 好看:)
@criostasis
28 күн бұрын
You couldve just built an awesome mini itx system in a sff case. The Q300L you show is huge compared to a lot of sff cases that have the same footprint of the dock with gpu and psu.
@wfb.subtraktor311
Ай бұрын
Here is to hoping that the Steam Deck 2 will have Oculink! Considering Valve is super pro open source and Linux, there is hope.
@kulilin3104
Ай бұрын
Many mini PCs can be mounted right to the back of your monitor via a Vesa mount adapter. Hiding it completely. Then you have just the GPU dock in full view.
@andrewt9204
Ай бұрын
I use an eGPU for my work laptop that only has the intel iGPU so I can use it for field work, but also can use it for light gaming at home. However, since oculink is rare, I went with a thunderbolt 3 dock instead. Amazon has pretty cheap ones, I got mine for 150 and then bought a RTX 4060 and seasonic SFX supply. I do get occasional FPS micro dips, but it's really not bad. It's also not my permanent gaming machine anyway. Plus having a TB passthrough and a USB-A port makes it a useable dock for working at home. It only has 4x lanes of PCI gen 3, but I still can get 100+ FPS at 1440p on mid settings on the couple games and benchmarks I tried.
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