A great fighter pilot once said: "Only the spirit of attack can bring succes to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it maybe."
@bwRavencl
11 жыл бұрын
Love that snap line and how he's constantly switching between boresight and vertical radar modes.
@tbarn9
16 жыл бұрын
The Tomcat was a great bomber especially after it got the LANTIRN pod to drop laser guided. It had great range, speed, and could carry tons. It wasn't the easiest to land aboard ship. Much harder than the Hornet but easier than the E-2C. I flew the D model later and that was an amazing jet. They were difficult maintenance wise. Just broke a lot. But we got lots of years out of them. Sure do miss flying them, sexiest thing I've ever put my hands on (never did meet Jessica Alba!)
@jonoderidder
15 жыл бұрын
Man I love this video. It's the best jet dogfight vid on youtube. I love hearing these two pros talking to each other as they calmly take the rookies apart. "283, 33 miles, angels high" "tally 2 on my nose" ... "I'm goin for the far guy" "I'm gonna hook him from below" "that's a guns kill"... love it.
@bobdonovan34
11 жыл бұрын
Come on, Mav, do some of that pilot shit!
@pdoylemi
9 жыл бұрын
I really envy these guys. When I was in the Navy, my dream was to fly Toms, but I am slightly color blind, and that disqualifies you. If they would have fed and clothed me, I would have flown for free.
@bobbyraejohnson
7 жыл бұрын
Pat Doyle maybe in heaven
@JimFlier
5 жыл бұрын
Ditto..... last eye exam at P’cola prior to starting AI I was diagnosed with astigmatism. Orders to Pilot training in the trash can........ went on to spend a ton of time as an NFO flying Hoovers, had a great time, but not the same thing...... such is life....
@mikepodella
11 жыл бұрын
An F-4 pilot during Operation Linebacker in Vietnam pegged the G meter at it's max of 12 during a break from a SAM-2 missile. He and the backseater were fine, but numerous panels on the F-4 were loose or off and there were popped rivets all over. Key fuselage framing elements were bent and maintenance couldn't straighten it. The plane flew another dozen times and the autopilot was always trying to straighten the attitude. They made a hangar queen of it then and stripped it for parts.
@spookyNorbert
5 жыл бұрын
Amazing story. Thank you!
@18BIG78
2 жыл бұрын
As an Air Force vet from the late seventies and '80s this stuff is fantastic my salute and had us off to all pilots
@DCCENTRAL1FOX
17 жыл бұрын
We can all thank Colonel John Boyd for making the Viper a reality. Those f14 Fatcats bleed so much energy trying to pull tight turns that it takes forever for it to gain back enough potential to pull off another turn. I highly recommend the book, "Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War" by Robert Coram. It's a long read, and well worth it. Great insight on the physics behind the fighters and the fighter pilot who out gunned other pilots in a 40 second dogfight!!!!
@-_Nuke_-
9 жыл бұрын
And suddenly everyone is an expert
@gocristi7270
6 жыл бұрын
эксперт
@williamkillingsworth2619
5 жыл бұрын
Suddenly... I was born shitting excellence
@StanleyKu
11 жыл бұрын
It's Doug Masters vs. Maverick!
@RRInterests
16 жыл бұрын
The Tomcat wasn't limited to 6G because of the lack of DFCS. If you read about engagements at ACE/AIMVAL, "Hoser" Satrapa loaded 12G on a block 90 F-14A when an adversary went for guns on him. DFCS helped with finer control inputs for dogfighting, not G-limits; the F-14 had the 6.5G limit imposed in the mid 1970's; it's a paper limit, and it was broken quite a bit in the heat of ACM/BFM. 'Course the airframers weren't happy...
@iamfritz
10 жыл бұрын
There were two other parts- one where F-15s took on F-5s, and another where an F-14A smacks down an F-16 and A-4 flying together.
@joerfg
10 жыл бұрын
I also had it on my computer until 2011 but i deleted. Do you know where can I find the whole episode? Thank you.
@SilverandButters
9 жыл бұрын
+Fritz Gunter do you know what the documentary was called
@iamfritz
9 жыл бұрын
+fifaplayer10 I found my old VHS tape of it and will post it on my channel ASAP.
@KLRGT500KR
6 жыл бұрын
You are talking about this video. F-14 "splashes" both A-4 Mongoose and the F-16N Viper kzitem.info/news/bejne/ooGgk4Gws6SZmpw
@Falcon-mc5fs
4 жыл бұрын
@@KLRGT500KR true but I read a comment on the video where the commenter said he saw the entire video and it has been edited. The tomcat locks onto a falcon that was in front of him locked onto his lead and the a4 had already been identified as having no factor in the fight so it was two tomcats vs 1 f16. I never saw it myself but that's what he says happened anyway.
@EdD-ym6le
Жыл бұрын
I think that 9.8 # is max G pulled on aircraft . That guy really stressed that plane to get that shot .
@Gromit801
10 жыл бұрын
Some people need to understand, the Phoenix was designed for fleet defense against bombers and cruise missiles. Things that aren't at all manouverable. A Phoenix would have a very tough time hitting a fighter unless the pilot was sleeping. So to play with fighters, an F-14 would be relying on guns, 'winders, Sparrows and later AAMRAMs.
@jfitnesshealth
10 жыл бұрын
exactly, they would dodge it like any other missile, having long range means nothing, u just use the same missile evading tactics like its just another day. people act like AIM54 is God or something??!!!
@chokeout412
9 жыл бұрын
jfitnesshealth Except the AIM-54 does not attack the target like a Sparrow Missile. It climbs high and comes down onto the target from a top attack angle. Very hard to detect and evade.
@Gromit801
9 жыл бұрын
There's a reason combat aircraft have missile radar lock detection.
@chokeout412
9 жыл бұрын
There are many Iraqi pilots who were flying small Mig-21's , 23 and Mirage F.1's who couldn't evade it. Opinions are one thing. Documented battles speak for themselves.
@jfitnesshealth
9 жыл бұрын
ur right Angel, but the thing had massive trouble, sometimes it would fail to spark and would drop off the rail as a dud. its nic name is the Phony 54. not making that up. Also its not the only missile that goes up then comes down. alot of missiles do that do not waist potential energy at the start and put it in a position where it can bleed not too much by diving. but at the same time it doesnt mean the pilot isnt doing anything either. But ur right about how it flies. I think though it depends on the pilot too and the generation of the jet. it can be avoided. it has speed but is still less maneuverable then everything else out there. even at 900 knots aim 54 isnt getting enough speed to do some serious turns that leads the pilot and keep up with him, it will barly move and if it does it will just bleed even more. its what u do initially. once it goes active . but they better do it fast because i think its around 7-9 seconds before it then will hit u after active or so I hear. could be wrong.
@HowFarmsWork
17 жыл бұрын
i myself am a fan of F-14s -since i watched the movie top gun- but if i had to fly in an aircraft, i would choose the F-16 2nd then the raptor
@MrTangent
3 жыл бұрын
A-10 all the way, baby.
@Ari-gold
5 жыл бұрын
Phoenix is almost impossible to avoid since you never see it coming, it comes from above & hits you on the canopy plus it never chased the target it will calculate where the target will b & will go there. It won’t miss ask Iraqi pilots
@MetaliCanuck
5 жыл бұрын
AHAHAHA The minute a Aim54 is launched any shit soviet era mig21s radar will even pick it up. Stick to video games. Your EWR will be going nuts!
@okisoba
4 жыл бұрын
@@MetaliCanuck RWR will pick up a spike from the fighter's radar when it locks onto it, not the missile itself. So, Ari gold is right, they wouldn't know exactly when it was coming. Also, the F-14D had good networking capability and theoretically could have one lock on while another F-14 somewhere else fires a missile.
@MetaliCanuck
4 жыл бұрын
@@okisoba Don't talk about stuff you have no clue about bud. RWR's can and DO pick missile launches up quite FREQUENTLY! I suggest you learn how a Aim-120 actually works or many Medium Range ATA missiles which are FIRE and forget work before you start talking about something I trained people on. Nice try though. Lets not forget the Aim54 is the size of a Car also lol. Tell me how an Aim-54 works in all its stages if you know what your talking about.
@okisoba
4 жыл бұрын
@@MetaliCanuck No. You get a clue, bud. Who were you teaching? You make it sound so easy. In real life, it's hard to evade missiles like the AIM-54 and AIM-120. Yes, RWRs pick up the energy from active radars. Different radar modes might indicate a missile launch. The F-14 could launch AIM-54s in single target track and track while scan modes. So the only indication a MiG would get with an RWR prior to launch from an F-14 would be the spike in energy after being put in single target track. And there would be virtually no indication at all in track while scan, other than being aware there's an F-14 which probably knows you're in the air. Yes, once the missile's active at around 10 miles, an RWR can pick up the energy coming from the missile radar. But, the Phoenix was a hypersonic missile (www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/history/pastprojects/Phoenix/phoenixmissile.html), meaning if you're lucky the RWR can give you several seconds heads up before the missile reaches you. At that point, if you weren't already defending against a potential missile launch (which you weren't completely sure was coming), it would usually be too late. And, an AIM-54 fired from 40 plus miles away won't be detected by a MiG-21's radar or even a CF-18's radar, Canuck. So you suggesting a MiG-21 radar has enough power and resolution to pick up a missile (even a Phoenix) being launched at range is ridiculous.
@MetaliCanuck
4 жыл бұрын
@@okisoba I'm glad your an expert! You have the slightest clue in reality though.
@garamanth
17 жыл бұрын
Four main things: 1. Variable camber leading edges on the wings. 2. Leading Edge Root Extensions (LERX's). The sleek countours of the body ahead of where the wings attach. 3. Relaxed Static Stability. Centre of gravity to the rear, making the plane unstable but easier to turn. 4. Fly By Wire. Computers that control the normal flight of the 'unstable' aircraft and make it 'stable' for the pilot. Both the F/16 and the F/A-18 have these features.
@jgndev
7 жыл бұрын
It is unclear, but these are likely students learning to fly the F-14. Not to take anything away from the F-16 or the instructors. They are supposed to get their butts handed to them to learn to be better. It is called sharpening the spear :)
@aztec0112
5 жыл бұрын
Actually, students is a misnomer. The F14 drivers are seasoned veterans in active duty squadrons. They aren't nuggets. However, they are not skilled or trained to take the F14 to the limit against a foe that trains every day all year long to 'kill' them. Topgun graduate 'students' are expected to take the knowledge gained back to their regular squadrons and impart their newfound wisdom to their squadron mates.
@Krystalmyth
3 жыл бұрын
@@aztec0112 Not nuggets, but students all the same. Everyone is a student, even the aggressors are learning through execution. That's why they take it so seriously. It's all reinforcement and development.
@CountArtha
17 жыл бұрын
It depends on the engagement. The F-16 won here because it was a turn fight and the F-16 is more agile than the F-14. In fact, the F-16 can beat any other 4th-Gen fighter in a turn fight except the MiG-29 and Mirage 2000. The F-14 is an interceptor; it's designed to fly faster and attack from a greater distance, so it usually ends up destroying the enemy before the engagement begins.
@vedranlastric.995
10 жыл бұрын
f 14 is far supirior that any of this aircraft i dont know why is was replaced
@eurofightertyphoon5590
10 жыл бұрын
f 14 has a weak radar it is fast but has low mobilty and is not manoveble
@th3le4d
10 жыл бұрын
Eurofighter Typhoon ...oh jesus...the F-14 has a radar among the most powerful ever, just because it fits the AIM-54 that are today the largest range missiles ever built ... plus the F-14 has only 10% less maneuverability compared to the F-16 ... if calculations that is twice the size of the F-16 ... please take your time to understand what you're talking about.
@eurofightertyphoon5590
10 жыл бұрын
thelead wajiwa the f 14 is not really a dog fighter it is mainly a used as a interceptor the f-14a long range missiles where mostly semi active and the f 14 is less manoveble than most fighters its size like f-15 mig -31 mig 25 and su 27 witch is most manoveble the f-14 was a good jet but it did not last long because of the f/a18 and the f35 project in 1997 last f14 flight demo in 2007 there is even a plane grave yard with nothing but the low class f14a tomcat and high class f14D super tomcat
@th3le4d
10 жыл бұрын
Eurofighter Typhoon Sorry my friend but you're out of speech ... you wrote that 14 has a weak radar, and the F-14 is not very maneuverable. Simply is not true... the radar in addition to the immense range, could recognize (friendly or aggressor) and follow up to 24 targets at the same time, and he could shooting six phoenix practically at the same time too ... also do not forget that the F-14 weighs more than 30 tons, with a wingspan of 20 meters in minimum arrow but with a roll rate would be the shame of the small and agile F-16... (hey, they used the A4 and F-16 for the F-14 pilots training in Miramar... there is a reason) We can say that: the F-14 represents the pinnacle of aviation technology between the 1970 'and 1990's, an aircraft built with no expense spared, with the best possible technology and without any compromise, it was the best "death machine" ever built, and it can do anything... A/A... A/G... Air Supremacy... all that you want, only surpassed by today's F-22... the F-16 instead (and F-18 also) are good but are a low cost planes, built cause mantainence cost, arm cost, fly cost is much low than F-14...and for export too. (Boeing I sign the contract just because half of the funds goes for the development of civil aviation and just because the Cold War was over and keep an airplane so high performance and consequently high costs, it was more inconvenient). Please take a look: F-14 engine: from 61,4 to 124,7 kN X 2 (2 engines) F-16 engine: from 76 to 125 kN x 1 (1 engine) F-14 max T.O Weight 74 350 lb F-16 max T.O Weight 42 300 lb F-14 Max Range 500 nM F-16 Max Range 296 nM F-14 Climb Speed 229 m/s F-16 Climb Speed 254 m/s (remeber weight and dimension and calculate the %) F-14 is a 3° Generation F-16 is a 4° Generation the Old one kick young ass... :)
@11000sundevil
10 жыл бұрын
you both have good points. I controlled the 14 and their radar took over the intercept way b4 I anticipated them to call Judy. I was use to the Phantom, however.
@richcarlin4547
9 жыл бұрын
F14 is king. Amazing plane. This was instructors vs. students. And even at that, they still struggled to finish off the last cat, and it took both of the F16s to do so.
@milvipes
8 жыл бұрын
Bingo, Maverick is dead.
@KLRGT500KR
6 жыл бұрын
In this case, a student in F-14 against a Top Gun instructor in the F-16N playing the role of a MIG-29 aggressor.
@Tamburello_1994
5 жыл бұрын
@@KLRGT500KR Correction -- You mean MiG-28.
@KLRGT500KR
5 жыл бұрын
@@Tamburello_1994 LOL@ Top Gun reference. I am just stating what the real scenario is here. The F-16 Navy versions were from the aggressor squadrons (30 F-16N in total) and their role was to play the aggressor simulating the MIG-29 in the late 80s against student pilots in the F-14s to train them on the Soviet threat. The F-16 Navy versions used to be flown by instructors and former F-14 pilots themselves who transferred to the aggressor squadrons.
@jakewolfe7397
5 жыл бұрын
The defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid
@aztec0112
5 жыл бұрын
@@KLRGT500KR : And the NAVY used the sh*t out of them too, wore them completely out by some accounts!
@kosmo177
15 жыл бұрын
You can't see the meter clearly in the whole video, however the max G is recorded and stored in memory. You can see it in the bottom left of the HUD just over the selected mode (AAM at first, switches to DGFT later), and towards the end of the video it reads 9.8 :o
@HowFarmsWork
17 жыл бұрын
right, they were made to replace those because after that disaster, they knew that no war in their time could be fought without guns
@iamfritz
10 жыл бұрын
This is from an old VHS tape sold by Aviation Week and Space Technology. I remember watching this back in the 90's.
@alexandrebueno6458
9 жыл бұрын
+Fritz Gunter Do you remember the name?
@okisoba
15 жыл бұрын
It was designed for dogfights too. Designers ensured its flight performance was superior to the F-4's in every aspect. It was the first fighter with a bubble canopy since the Korean War giving the crew a 360deg view, it was originally planned to have engines that gave it a greater than 1:1 thrust-to-weight ratio (sort of happened later), had higher g-limits before production ended, and included an internal cannon. It could climb better than the F/A-18, which means it's the shiznet Dammit!!
@gtamodman122
12 жыл бұрын
This has got to be the most amazing, authentic, original and weird idea I've ever seen in my life!!!This could in fact be a viable method of simulating bullets!
@HowFarmsWork
17 жыл бұрын
i never said i hated them its the world's top aircraft of specs but they could have done more to increase that
@HowFarmsWork
17 жыл бұрын
MY point is that it is a mixture between skill and the jet
@stygianumbra
14 жыл бұрын
@kacoll3 Depends on the Viper driver, a Iraqi MIG-25 managed to evade around 7 aim-7 and aim-120's fired from a flight of F-15's. The AIM-54 can only pull 5g's I believe. The F-14 was retired because the F-14 maintenance is horrible, and the planes leak various fluids like sieves, not to mention obsolescence. The AIM-54 was meant to shoot down larger strike planes and certain cruise missiles, not fighters. Supersonic long range sea-skimming high-g maneuverable cruise missiles made them obsolete.
@rileys03rex
15 жыл бұрын
these are still two of my favorite fighter jets....the F-16's agility and speed ....and the F-14 ability to lock on multiple targets at one from mile away.....and its powerful engines..u gotta love it
@Melvorgazh
3 жыл бұрын
Speed? The Tomcat is faster than the Viper.
@JustinStrife
14 жыл бұрын
@Zergbleeder Depends on the mission. The F14 was designed to fire the Phoenix Missile against targets over 100 miles away in defense of the Naval Fleet it was stationed on. The F16 was meant more as a dog-fighter.
@BMuris
15 жыл бұрын
Nice video, thanks for sharing. Instructors have shown nice team work.
@ReptileRescue
15 жыл бұрын
I'm a pilot and former military. I've been flying since I was a teenager and have spent a lot of time around aircraft and studying military aircraft.
@colin8696908
14 жыл бұрын
i don't think theres even ever been a dogfight between jets in the history of mankind.
@ReptileRescue
15 жыл бұрын
I was army, and used to work on a USAF base. The same applies for the B2 as other stealth. You are going to have a hard time shooting it down even if you can see it with your eyes. Aa missile may not see it, and a radar may not see it. You would have to get a fighter pretty close to it, but if you lose visual sight, you are going to have a hard time finding it again.
@HowFarmsWork
17 жыл бұрын
They should still work on creating a craft that has good performance. when the raptors came out they thought they were going to be a boom. now, they realize that they aren't all that great
@withgemini
15 жыл бұрын
The F-16 has great maneuverabilty. Think of the F-14 as a sniper in the sky, it can kill before the enemy gets there. The Tomcat is agile as well, but even so, it would have a hard time with the Falcon. So it all comes down to the pilot.
@jimpatriot831
Жыл бұрын
The aim 54 Phoenix missile would've blown the F 16 to smithereens at 100 miles away.
@taekarkung
14 жыл бұрын
B-1A 1972, Tu-160 1978. F-16 Lerx 1974, Mig-29 & Su-27 1977. RA-5C Vigilante 1958, Mig-25 1964, F-15 1972, Mig-31 1975. AIM-9B >> AA-2 Atoll. F-14's style aircraft tracking system used in Mig-29 & Su-27. Also the wide area between 2 engines was adopted in Su-27 & Mig-29.
@ldbkbarnea
15 жыл бұрын
"The video and training never let the pilots use long range weapons." You are the first to be right. The F14 was a weapons system. Long range air defense for carrier groups. The E2 would be the first real world platform to acquire for long range fleet defense. It does not matter if a red force F15 could defeat the Tomcat, it could not defeat the "weapons system" which could track up to 300 miles form the carrier group or strike package.
@CorrectiveAction
17 жыл бұрын
"I'm right in front of him" lol...Well done son, it sure takes skill to get right in front of someone in a dogfight
@crsbeem828
11 жыл бұрын
If no one has yet told you, that understanding is quite incorrect. The Phantom was not a "turning" aircraft, and was considerably bigger and heavier than the F/A-18. Remember, the F/A16 was originally built as the "low" (i.e. smaller) component of the "high-low mix": F-15 and F-16; F-14 and F-18
@Sparky151427
17 жыл бұрын
Wow, that number 2 F-16 pulled 9.8G in that dogfight. I didn't think the FBW software would allow it to exceed 9G by that much.
@skoVBA2
2 жыл бұрын
those are stripped down 16s, and theyre probably early Block 20 or so. I know those early vipers were better at dogfighting since they didn't have a digital flight system that limited them as much, from what I've heard
@kosmo177
17 жыл бұрын
That's what the pilot sees, it's the Head Up Display (HUD) with all essential info about aircraft speed, altitude, attitude, navigation & weapon information etc.
@jonoderidder
15 жыл бұрын
My Dad was in the RAAF (ATC), and I'd love to see that too, but unless it's F22 v F22, we wouldn't have a chance. USAF and the RAAF cooperate very closely. RAAF takes part in Red Flag, typically flying American F15s and F16s (some of our best guys are among the instructors for US pilots). ANyway there's an interview with a RAAF pilot in Janes and he was saying how he (in an F15) got an F22 dead on his nose, clearest of clear shots for over 5 secs, but his weapons just could not paint it.
@kosmo177
17 жыл бұрын
Lock on means radar lock meaning the attacker can now shoot a radar guided weapon among other things. The locked on aircraft will normally get an audible tone in his cockpit, warning him of the enemy's lock, so he can act accordingly.
@killaonmoco
14 жыл бұрын
@ 3:30, I love the way pilots swivel their heads to keep track of the target. I can only imagine their level of focus when they know they have to destroy the thing they are looking at.
@helmetless
12 жыл бұрын
@Ultorif the f-16 is more agile, smaller, and has a 1:1 engine - weight ratio. more visibility, is multimission compatible, fly by wire, easier to fly controls. f-14 is a long range fleet defense platform, not designed for a dogfight. nevertheless, in good hands...
@detectiveinspekta
13 жыл бұрын
As someone said before: Good dogfight comparative.
@Sumbex1
14 жыл бұрын
The 9.8 is the Max G reading. The number only changes once a G reading passes the current max.
@justahyundai
14 жыл бұрын
@TheScrumpty How is it? The tomcat? Does it have lots of defects or is it reliable?
@kosmo177
17 жыл бұрын
The left tape is the airspeed, it was around 500knots at the merge and during the engagement you can see it drop as low as 200knots while turning. The max G is interesting (bottom left) that reads 9.8 (!) if I'm seeing clearly. Nice vid.
@Wndrst
16 жыл бұрын
love the instructor's stoic 'yahoo' at the end, haha. Reeks of professionalism :)
@lbeagle
17 жыл бұрын
The thing that impresses me about this video is the economy of radio communication. Clipped, professional, cool-headed. By comparison if you've ever heard audio of air combat in Vietnam, the pilots are very excitable and the chatter is difficult to understand. I know the Aggressors do this every day and it has become routine for them --- but I attribute the change to the Red Flag exercise, which is excellent training in air combat and which did not exist until after Vietnam.
@stygianumbra
14 жыл бұрын
@TgsMaverick The MIG-31 had a electronically scanned radar that could track more targets further than the F-14 and guide missiles to them, before the tomcat was put into service. They also have their upgraded AA-9 Amos that could match the AIM-54 in range. It also has a data link so it can function as an awacs or hand off targeting data to others in the flight which the F-14 can not do. The problem is newer missiles would love the F-14's HUGE radar and heat signature.
@joerfg
11 жыл бұрын
where do i find the whole documentary? Thank you.
@Molari
17 жыл бұрын
lol amen brother. The clip was pretty awesome... Both F-14 and F-16s are excellent dogfighters, but designed for diff missions. The goal of the exercise is not to be fair, but to simulate real combat... and in real combat you seldom see the same type of fighter on both sides.
@HerraTohtori
17 жыл бұрын
12th April 1961, Yuri Gagarin became the first person in space. He wasn't American. He also was the first person to orbit around Earth. First American (and second person) in space was Alan Shepard, 5th May 1961. He only went ballistic, though, and didn't go up to orbit unlike Gagarin.
@kosmo177
17 жыл бұрын
Actually in a multi ship formation pilots usually talk between them saying what conditions they're in and what's happening. Esp in a fight. But of course if the radios are very saturated they will keep transmissions to the min required as you said. Besides the comms in Top Gun are ridiculous (but a good movie).
@dpunusaf
17 жыл бұрын
Good to see a fellow 2W1 out there! Stationed at Kunsan right now!
@douglas787
14 жыл бұрын
@sommif The point I was trying to make was that if the F14 went against the F16, the F14 could shoot down its target long before the F16 could get close enough to use it's weapons. The F14 with Phoenix had a shootdown range of 115 miles, the F16 with Sidewinder only 10 miles, with Sparrow about 25 miles. Also the F14 fully loaded could carry an incredible six Phoenix missiles and the RIO could track 24 planes and engage up to six to shoot down at one time. In a close dogfight, I go 50/50 though.
@Silky182
14 жыл бұрын
I am fully aware of the history of ARC LIGHT; and am not arguing the fact. But, the upgrades to conventional weapons were not made until the escalation of the Vietnam Conflict and further upgraded in the first Gulf War. It was intended to carry nuclear weapons, and later adapted for conventional bombardment roles.
@GrinchWSLG
15 жыл бұрын
F-14 is maneuverable so long as it has energy. However, the large size, and weight penalties of the swing wing design mean that it loses energy far faster than aircraft like the F-16 and F-15. Its a boom and zoom fighter and can only last for a very short period in a turning fight.
@magooban1
15 жыл бұрын
True dog fighting is one of the main things they concentrate on while training you how to fly every pilot needs it .
@kosmo177
17 жыл бұрын
BTW, to answer all those ppl that insist on asking why the F-14 engaged against a superior opponent for their training, I recently read a quote from a USN pilot who remembers that he routinely got hammered by the instructors in his ACM training. He kept asking his instructors to explain why they won all the time, and what he was doing wrong. He said the best answer he got was "Oh, you're supposed to lose at this stage".
@Blacksheep61
15 жыл бұрын
I say we get our best engineers to just put em together, lol. Twin engine, 1.5x sized blended wing F-16c airframe, two-seater, with 2 F110 engines and variable geometry wings. That'd crush the damn F-22 any day. My two favorite planes ever here. And you're right, the F-16 was the first one to be able to take 9+ G's because of the airframe.
@blackyoshi1230
12 жыл бұрын
Paintball bullets substituted for live ammo would be a good idea (you'd have to account for kinetic energy and other projectile physics for this exercise). Also, for missile tests, have they done fake missiles like Smokey SAMs?
@Cirrux
17 жыл бұрын
i'm curious, that view at 1:40 with the numbers and stuff on it, is that what the pilot sees? or is that just like a video that they record so they know the info later
@GrinchWSLG
15 жыл бұрын
The Phoenix missile was designed for interception of Soviet bombers, not fighters. While the later versions did provide increased maneuvering and tracking of smaller targets, the F-16's threat warning and maneuverability give it a distinct advantage against such a threat.
@fish4kbcf
16 жыл бұрын
Could you please explain how you feel the F-35 is second rate? The F-18 may have its faults but I can not wrap my mind around how you describe it as below par.
@BornAgain77757
8 жыл бұрын
F-16 Falcon is well known for high maneuverability. Superb!
@HowFarmsWork
17 жыл бұрын
so you're saying air superiority means nothing and the u.s. just happens to have the 2nd best air force in the world
@Krystalmyth
3 жыл бұрын
There are more chess pieces in play, 14 years later. Air Superiority is a murky concept when China now has antiship weapons limiting the airspace without putting ships at risk, as well as advanced autonomous sam platforms, unmanned aircraft and global acquisition. It doesn't mean nothing, it just doesn't mean what it used to.
@umpcam
17 жыл бұрын
Man don't hate! The raptors ended those exercises with kill scores/ratios of 241-to-2 in Alaska(Northern Edge was the name of it my mistake) and 36-to-1 ratio at Red Flag and those are against Red Flag instructors so that's pretty good IMO.
@TamakoAkai
16 жыл бұрын
Man does this bring back memories.....
@User8571
16 жыл бұрын
As far as looks go, I think part of the Tomcats allure was the fact that it was such a friggin' hulk for an aircraft that was designed for air-to-air. I mean, Even the F-15 is lighter. Watching the 14 in ACM is kinda like watching a hawk try to catch a humming bird. There's something mesmerizing about seeing that airframe tossed around, clawing for traction. In fact, I need to go watch "Top Gun" again. KZitem can wait.
@HowFarmsWork
17 жыл бұрын
they were also morons to equip the first phantoms with missles only and no guns to dogfight with
@StEyeball
17 жыл бұрын
the world needs to be more like you dude
@kosmo177
17 жыл бұрын
And you will also see what I told you above. The max range quoted on that site is the max range the missile can fly. It doesn't include tracking and hitting a target. If you understand anything about kinetic and dynamic energy you can understand this. Theory is good but it's based on optimum conditions. In real conditions things tend to work out a bit differently.
@B4its2L8guy
15 жыл бұрын
I may be completely wrong but doesn't US ROE require visual confirmation before engaging the target? Just a thought. Cool video. I love jets. Huge F/A-18 fan but liking the F-16 more and more everyday.
@zone5ive
15 жыл бұрын
7. It's just a walk in the park, Kazanski... 8. I hate it when it does that. 9. He got YOU, didn't he? 10. Talk to me goose.
@umpcam
17 жыл бұрын
Also note that the Navy ended up with like an 8 to 1 kill ratio over the MiGs. Note also, that the hard-headed Air Force ended it with like a 2 to 1 kill ratio...not too good when a Phantom cost them about $5 mill apiece back then and the MiGs were like $500k.
@kosmo177
17 жыл бұрын
Actually the MiG-29 OVT has. But IIRC it's not operational, only a test bed that appears in airshows some times.
@kosmo177
16 жыл бұрын
You should also know that stealth does not mean only reduced radar signature, it also means reduced visual and heat signatures. And you should also know that the F-22 also uses an IRST derived from the AN/AAS-42.
@vtwinmesa
14 жыл бұрын
", and while it can't match it in roll, is said to be able to consistently fight F-16Cs to a draw close in while retaining its speed, endurance and avionics advantages" about f-14 D
@BolteD817
15 жыл бұрын
You are right. I had my facts wrong. The F16 is can reach speeds in excess of 1500 mph where as the F14 can only do 1300. I thought it was vise versa.
@kosmo177
17 жыл бұрын
Actually they didn't reinforce the wings which produced cracks after several flight hours due to the excess performance of the ultra light F-16N. And they were never repaired as they said it didn't make sense financially.
@pdgls
16 жыл бұрын
Does the F-16 take a shot at 1:51? We can see the black event marker in the upper left corner but he makes no radio call that he shot one. We then hear two beeps and these beeps seem to happen when the event marker disapears so maybe two missiles were launched. At 1:56 the dose the controller say "2 op aways...". I've seen missile test videos where they say "op away" when they shoot. If they did shoot, this dosn't make sense to me cause the controller dosn't call "fights on" till 2:51.
@PrimalBlueWolf
11 жыл бұрын
also, a missile fired in BFM will give the other guy something else to focus on, as you have to "defend against the most immediate threat". if in a two circle fight, you get off an all aspect heater, the other guy will forget about getting angles on you and will instead worry about defeating your missile. even if he trashes the shot, it gives you a chance to saddle up on him.
@benbramz
17 жыл бұрын
cribster123, could you explain what some of the symbols and lines mean on the black and white HUD (terminology n00b) Great video by the way!
@hockeymattman
17 жыл бұрын
hey ecarfar, did it ever occur to you that BOTH planes could have the same armament? also, the f16 is newer and has better computers, avionics, etc in it than the f14.
@eclipse245
13 жыл бұрын
@Magdum1000 Yup, very true. F-14s will engage with their phantom missiles from like >30 miles away.
@smeary10
16 жыл бұрын
Just to clarify with you, I think. The JSF is to replace the F/A-18, F-16, A-10, AV-8B and Harriers. I think it's also going to replace the GR-8 Tornadoes as well. But I stand to be corrected on that one.
@notar1
17 жыл бұрын
Great video finnally one without music.. one thing I never could understand what does it ean for the enemy when he has a radar lock? whats does it do do his aircraft
@BlitzvogelMobius
14 жыл бұрын
The 9.8 you're reading isn't the G meter. The number doesn't change at all during the HUD shots, in the various maneuvers. The G reading is above the altitude bar. At 3:00 it hit's the highest I see in the video: 9.0 G.
@JethroRose
16 жыл бұрын
sim = weapons systems in sim mode. the 7.9 indicates that the aircraft has pulled a max of 7.9Gs that time out.
@DirtyJerseyProductions
14 жыл бұрын
@vodude I couldn't agree more bud, the Tomcat was beautiful...not sure if we'll ever see such a nice lookin plane again
@pokerpilot505
16 жыл бұрын
To clarify... it seems all of you have it slightly right and slightly wrong. The last iteration of the f-14 had a new radar system that could track 100 individual targets from 200 miles away. Paired with the phoenix missle system, the f-14 would have shot down anything short of an f-22 (great stealth and countermeasures) at the phoenix's max range ~ 120 miles. NO CONTEST. If, however, the Tomcat was forced into a dogfight, the f-16 /18/15 would win most times.This is a 2-part post - read on
@KLRGT500KR
6 жыл бұрын
These are F-16N Aggressors for the Navy. Goal was to train the F-14 pilots on how to DEFEAT the F-16N. Why would Navy get 30 F-16N to play MIG aggressors, if they were not sure they can train F-14 pilots on how to defeat them? The F-14A are being flown by students while instructors are flying the F-16N Vipers simulating MIG-29 dogfighting training. If you put a Dale "Snort" Snodgrass in an F-14 A/B/D, there is no chance an F-16 would ever win against him. F-14 could fly faster, had a higher lift/drag ratio, with variable geometry wings it could turn tighter across a broader range of speed and had much lower wing loading.
@KLRGT500KR
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed with everything you said. Every fighter has a flight envelope and you try and fight within your own fight envelope while trying to drive the other out of theirs. I only made that point since the F-16N block C/D Viper (30 of them) in 1988 were procured strictly to be in the aggressor squadron to simulate MIG-29s. During the cold war, Russia was touting the MIG-29 just like they did with the Foxbat in the 70s. Navy decided to buy these to simulate MIG-29s so much so that they stripped out the F-16N of everything except the ejection seat to make them as light as possible. They did not even have a gun. They were then used for 4 years for training F-14 pilots on how to fight the MIG-29s until their airframes suffered cracks and structural issues due to over-G in combat scenarios.
@KLRGT500KR
6 жыл бұрын
I am not too informed on the Typhoon, but it seems like a very different fighter than the Flanker. F-14 and F-15 had very similar characteristics as the SU-27/30. The three fighters have similar size and thrust to weight ratio. I could totally see the F-15 being able to simulate the Flanker. I did read the IAF SU-30 went something like 12-0 against the Typhoon in the "Red Flag". It could be down to the pilot since I have heard IAF pilots are some of the best in the world.
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