once again you have picked the most beautiful clips like holy shit. watching these videos just for those clean maneuvers oike we need a compilation of thise manuvers.
@WarHunter57
Жыл бұрын
The MiG-21 is so underrated, it's OP, there's a reason why they also put it in Top tier
@Thel_Vadamee
Жыл бұрын
In WT maybe💀
@Xabo5x
Жыл бұрын
@@Thel_Vadamee no shit
@Thel_Vadamee
Жыл бұрын
@@Xabo5x this video was never specified as a wt bound video, meaning that this video is likely using real statistics, however it in reality is a shitty plane that should not be in service today (hint hint, it still kinda is)
@imhandsome1309
Жыл бұрын
@@Thel_Vadamee bro get fed on so many propaganda....MiG-21 is the reason Vietnam has air superiority and even some of the country still uses MiG-21....and i think indian MiG-21 destroyed a Pakistani F-16 ( i dont trust this though)
@اسكندرفكار
Жыл бұрын
@@Thel_Vadamee the mig 21 was a legendary plane of its era
@donut3702
4 ай бұрын
I love how there's a constant war in the comments section, but people fail to realize that the F-5E is fundamentally different in role and capability than the MiG-21. MiG? Interceptor, meant to be fast, kill bomber and get out. F-5E? Fighter, meant to combat other fighters and win. In all reality, the MiG-21 is going to have a tough time fighting the F-5E because of how it is designed. Delta wings bleeding speed, high weight, mediocre weapons and terrible visibility all work against the MiG-21. On the other hand, the F-5E has excellent energy retention, low weight, a respectable TWR, wonderful turn rate, and great visibility in all directions. The MiG-21 may have a chance to shoot it down with missiles, but even then, it's iffy. If the F-5E can get close enough for the dogfight, it's over for the MiG. So, what have we learned?: Know your place, MiG-21s. Best to keep the F-5E at arms length to avoid the deadly dogfight you can't win.
@ZeePanzer
3 ай бұрын
Mig 21 Bison with R73s and R77s enters the chat
@darkatmos8877
3 ай бұрын
We are debating aircrafts with the same br here@@ZeePanzer
@ZeePanzer
3 ай бұрын
@@darkatmos8877 i compare with the br bracket, the bizon can face the F5E on downtiers and the chinese F5A too, the thaifighter at 11.0 is a common sight so i dont see a reason not to talk about it
@ReviveHF
Жыл бұрын
MIG-21 = Interceptor(High Altitude, high speed interdiction role) F-5E = Fighter ( Great energy retention, agile and excels in turning dogfights)
@Phoenix1.s
Жыл бұрын
a mig 21 can shit on an f5e easily once the f5 is below mach .9
@ReviveHF
Жыл бұрын
@@Phoenix1.s F-5E can reach Mach 1.1 at low altitude.
@Phoenix1.s
Жыл бұрын
@@ReviveHF the f5 is barley supersonic lmao and the ttw is beyond shit
@rulingmoss5599
Жыл бұрын
@@Phoenix1.s False.
@Phoenix1.s
Жыл бұрын
@@rulingmoss5599 the f5s acceleration isnt good 💀 theres nothing to argue about there
@Julio_Tortillia
Жыл бұрын
How does MiG-21 get a point for size? Being smaller makes you a smaller target so F-5 wins in that regard.
@FLANKER135
Жыл бұрын
still its 2 point behind mig 21 so tata bye F5
@planeya3776
Жыл бұрын
Also, how tf does the 21 have a higher TTW?
@ARandomHumanBein
Жыл бұрын
@@planeya3776 The MiG-21 almost has a 1.0 TTW ratio, a lot higher than the F-5
@earnmoney4741
Жыл бұрын
Crying action
@planeya3776
Жыл бұрын
@@ARandomHumanBein dude, f5e is extremely close to 1.0 in real life, just the engines have 7-1 T/W PER ENGINE while the migs engine barely gets it to 2-0 so how would it have a higher tw when its also heavier
@qwerty1002
9 ай бұрын
I still like the f-5, it’s so much fun in dcs! :>
@tavolo2969
Жыл бұрын
The Mig21 can win in a low speed scissor fight one circle fight, were AoA is most important. If the F5 switches to a two circle it has everything over the fishbed
@rostyride6834
Жыл бұрын
Combat flaps on the f5 would beat the MiG in aoa
@snop7476
Жыл бұрын
this isn't about dogfighting it's just a comparison
@roflman2122
Жыл бұрын
yup but when the F5 does that ill go full afterburner and make some distance lol
@r.p5380
9 ай бұрын
@@roflman2122The F5 would get a rapid R60 delivery if he exposed his engines
@jackalope8568
9 ай бұрын
@r.p5380 The f5s engines are not very hot and r60s are not very flair resestant so it would be easily one flaired.
@theslavicsailor6654
Жыл бұрын
F5E Will DEVOUR any Mig in a dogfight
@riutydellep2437
Жыл бұрын
During cold war russian engineers decided to simulate a fight between a mig 21 and the f5. The f5 won not only against the mig 21, but also with the mig23. The f5 won due to its aereodinamic and its turn rate. The mig21 is better on the paper, the f5 is better irl.
@mr.bloxpeet
Жыл бұрын
let me guess you got your info from a youtube short
@mr.bloxpeet
Жыл бұрын
mig 23 has better aoa and better energy retention and everything else is wayyy above the f5's
@riutydellep2437
Жыл бұрын
No bro, books also exsist
@noob_murat688
Жыл бұрын
@@mr.bloxpeet well for someone who plays roblox its easy to assume that people get their info from shorts
@mr.bloxpeet
Жыл бұрын
@@noob_murat688 i havent played roblox in like a year its a bad game
@mEmEzMaN...
4 ай бұрын
Funny enough even tho everyone thinks the mig 21 can beat a f5e They did a tests with a captured tiger II in the ussr 1976 and the tiger dominanted both the fishbed and their newest fighter at the time aswell the mig23M Anything above 800khm it was equal And below 750 the tiger was predator Its not all about thrust to weight ratio and power but aerodynamic do play a vital role in a dogfight
@wongarnold2879
Жыл бұрын
Mig 21 smt have 4 r60, while f5e only have 2 . Also, if the 21 has the energy advantage, the f5e is basically dead.
@Eren-cm5pc
Жыл бұрын
I can tell that u haven’t flown the f5e. It wins because it’s energy retention is extremely good and because it’s super maneuverable
@Lucas_WAZZAA
Жыл бұрын
If im correctly the F-5 can take 4 AIM-9 IRL
@fst_B
Жыл бұрын
@@Lucas_WAZZAAsadly not in game yet
@Xabo5x
Жыл бұрын
@@fst_B you don’t play either aim 9s have been game for almost 2 years
@Rianggr3
Жыл бұрын
@@Lucas_WAZZAABrazilians F5 can carry 4 AIM-9X
@Kenkaneki-zu1vh
Жыл бұрын
It’s not the plane it’s the pilot just remember that
@vivaangupta3187
Жыл бұрын
Go up against an f22 in an f16 and that statement will be regretted
@HJL-15007
Жыл бұрын
@Vivaan Gupta EA-18G with F-15 vs F-22
@vivaangupta3187
Жыл бұрын
That would be a very close match but I think the F22 would win because it has thrust vectoring.
@Phoenix1.s
Жыл бұрын
too bad most people who play both planes are equally smooth brained
@earnmoney4741
Жыл бұрын
We know that. But the video isnt about that , remember.
@ThatDude7788
5 ай бұрын
Both are excellent planes 👌
@Warrior_Productions-eu4vo
4 ай бұрын
Easy F5 win lol main reason being is that the Mig21 is an intercepter made to get bombers, and F5 is a fighter that is made to dogfight and win
@Im_still_a_avgeek
11 ай бұрын
Did i saw a f5 tiger doing a kvochur bell maneuver🤯
@DataDownLynk
Жыл бұрын
You can shit on every mig21 that isn't a Bis with the F5E, and even against a Bis, if you play it right you can do well against it as well.
@cowking1007
Жыл бұрын
I can shit on every F5 in a mig21mf
@miromarkkula2078
Жыл бұрын
Yea bro underrated f5e
@Xabo5x
Жыл бұрын
@@miromarkkula2078 it’s fuckin so overused mig 21 is also but not many people going Russian air or german air so tell me wrong
@kazzam5
Жыл бұрын
every f5e player is an absolute moron so you can shit on them
@DataDownLynk
Жыл бұрын
@@Xabo5x You rarely see F5Es, and you almost always see mig21s
@markusdupree5317
Жыл бұрын
I play a lot with both the F5C and Mig-21SMT, in conclusion the mig is more of an interceptor being very good at sneaking behind you and taking you out but not good turn fighting. F5 out turns most things and has super good guns but 2 bad missiles
@lemieux-z8933
Жыл бұрын
I do better using the F5E as a grub fighter, but if I had to chose, still definitely F5E, energy fighting is my strongest pro
@bruhhhhmoment4848
3 ай бұрын
@@lemieux-z8933and f5e as pretty good aoa it’s no slouch
@francibalanci5617
Жыл бұрын
You cant switch me from Mig-21. It looks and performes beautifully 😊
@rulingmoss5599
Жыл бұрын
Not really, garbage plane irl.
@niclink1030
11 ай бұрын
@@rulingmoss5599dont think it was a bad plane but ok
@gekk1883
4 ай бұрын
how tf can you say that it looks beautiful? the designers were high asf designing this garbage, it just looks so goddamn ugly.
@sarahcone7705
Ай бұрын
The only problem with the f-5 is the lack of air to air missles
@Allmightygreat
Жыл бұрын
Very cool but I feel with too gun the f5 is more popular because everyone who’s seen the original top gun has seen that jet even though it was called a mig. The mig 21 however is something I found out about today.
@ARandomHumanBein
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the F-5, at least in my opinion, is a lot more popular, especially in DCS, where the MiG-21Bis is way harder to fly, because of its delta wings
@lamhoango8628
Жыл бұрын
my grandpa,a VAF's fighter pilot who have experience with 2 of those jet,he said:"the American's plane was damm so easy to use,that thing also have a brake just like a car,those thing can also do some trick that mig can't.Idk why those mfk had smt strong like this but when I asked some captured pilot,they just say none of them have enough power"
@bobdaniels9056
Жыл бұрын
the F5 was designed like a MiG 15 for training purposes i believe
@bruhhhhmoment4848
3 ай бұрын
@@bobdaniels9056the f5 wasn’t designed for training purposes the f5 wa developed with 2 versions the one seater that became the f5 and the 2 seater that became the t38 they both won different requirements
@bobdaniels9056
3 ай бұрын
@@bruhhhhmoment4848 I already found this out (been a year) but thx
@memesxd6662
9 ай бұрын
Very nice but sadly this will be a F-5E Tiger win, mig-21 waste too much energy while turning and it’s turn speed is bad, no way mig-21 will win, maybe like ambushing but other then that the f-5E wins
@memesxd6662
9 ай бұрын
On the mig-21 you could say use the missles but rear aspect R-60 are so flare absorbing that all you need to do is pop 1 flare and it’s gone, it’s radar missle are also bad on the mig 21, I also play war thunder and I am max level who plays top tier a lot soo this would not work. That’s why the mig-21 MF/SMT is at battle rating 10.3 while the F-5E is 10.7.
@SpiralShape
10 ай бұрын
What does he mean by angle of attack? Genuinely curious cuz i dont understand the term very well
@deadbread8446
11 ай бұрын
Where my ancestors came from was a Soviet town of military pilots and my mother could constantly observe migs and su, many pilots served in Cuba, Africa and Vietnam, there was even a story about how a soldier's shoe was torn off on a transport plane that flew straight to an American ship during the Caribbean crisis. After the defeat in the Cold War, unfortunately, there was almost no military equipment left, although I watched jet planes a couple of times - first it flies over the ground, then after a couple of seconds the neighborhood is deafened by the roar of engines catching up. When Wagner was heading towards Moscow to get the selected ammunition and overthrow Shoigu's command, they shot down a Ka 52 attack helicopter on the way, which was just based in the same town.
@WhiteRabbit1983
10 ай бұрын
"Rate fight" - a scale which doesnt really say anything. Every country has got its own rate. But of course... only murica is right😅😅
@beatlovermax5603
Жыл бұрын
Popularity and size?? Keep it to actual statistics that matter lol
@Russão000
10 ай бұрын
F-5 is such a cancer, dont lose speed, pilot dont dies for G Forces in a turn, the plane is ultra fast when youre running fast, and it dont stall in low speed just to cancering behind Su-25s and A-10s
@bt_the_yank6234
Жыл бұрын
I am a firm believer in the idea of the f-5 being the hard counter to the mig 21. Mig 21 has top speed, but if the f-5 plays it right, there isn't much the mig can do
@bruhhhhmoment4848
3 ай бұрын
F5e is so easy I won a 1v3 the other day, the planes i was going against had terrible energy retention I was going against a MiG 21, ja 37, and f4 I just stayed at above 0.9 Mach where you lose like no speed in ten f5e and made them turn slowly making them lose their energy where I picked them off one by one
@intlon4299
Жыл бұрын
Add vertical fight too
@sackthing986
3 ай бұрын
It really depends on what fishbed you're fighting, the f5e can eat mig21s if you know what you're doing
@FIRE_STRIKE_277
Жыл бұрын
Mig 21 has better turn ratio and max speed, this makes the plane better in dogfights, but, F5 has more stability since he weights less than MIG21, and also has better weapons such as bombs and missiles, so, F5 its a better plane for bombing.
@jedinight235
5 ай бұрын
On paper the MiGger-21 is better, but the F-5E can out fight it any day. Even if the MiG-21 has the energy advantage.
@alekkozen4501
Жыл бұрын
Wait size? Aren’t migs bigger than F-5s? Is so that would be a dowside in my opinion, correct me if I am wrong
@Italy_Balls
Жыл бұрын
I have mig 21
@Phapchamp
8 ай бұрын
Migs are pretty much all my food in F-5E they lose all their speed in a turn or two and it is especially bad when they dont have flares they just get smacked by an aim9e
@F-14-W
5 ай бұрын
Armament is dum, the f5e sits at 10.7 with 2 9J while the smt/mf sit at 10.3 with 4 r60 which are better at rear aspect shots
@anoobnoduhgaming9416
Жыл бұрын
How is aim9js better armament than r60s?
@rulingmoss5599
Жыл бұрын
Because soviet missiles are dogcrap.
@Вольфрамище
Жыл бұрын
It takes a lot to loose to MiG-21, when you are in F-5E in a 1v1. So, I don't know bout this video
@sam-ej7sq
5 ай бұрын
Smt has way better armament. 2 missiles is just bot enough. And the fact the smt can carry r3r is also a bonus
@jacobsgaming4811
Жыл бұрын
To be honest the F5-E would win easily as long as the pilot plays his cards right. But great clips!
@reinni2968
8 ай бұрын
So could the mig 21. Both are capable aircraft
@jacobsgaming4811
8 ай бұрын
@@reinni2968 f-5E is a faster turn fighter
@reinni2968
8 ай бұрын
@jacobsgaming4811 yea that doesnt dictate who wins in a dogfight though. The mig 21 could just go straight up because it has a way higher climb rate and make the f5e stall out or come back later and kill him.
@bruhhhhmoment4848
3 ай бұрын
@@reinni2968if you aren’t bad at the game the f5e wins pretty easily
@bruhhhhmoment4848
3 ай бұрын
@@reinni2968what retards are you going against that fall for that
@SkiddyOcean117
3 ай бұрын
Not even close. F5E can reliably beat a bis if a pilot knows what he's doing
@astriod9581
2 ай бұрын
F-5 wins in one circle, Mig-21 wins in two circle.
@RubyFox_YT
Жыл бұрын
But doesn't the MiG lose in a dogfight to the F-5?
@Phoenix1.s
Жыл бұрын
depends on if the mig pilot is a smooth brain
@RubyFox_YT
Жыл бұрын
@@Phoenix1.s depends on if the F-5 just 0.9 machs the MiG till he basically falls out of the sky. All the F-5 (C or E) has to do is just turn every chance he gets at 0.9 mach and drain the MiG of all his speed in the turns then pull a high yoyo on him to get the shot.
@Phoenix1.s
Жыл бұрын
@@RubyFox_YT the mig can just break off or w tap
@pootsimootsi7668
7 ай бұрын
How does the f5 get radar?
@animerecomendations5301
Жыл бұрын
f5 is to good its soo agile it can pith up and loose speed so slow its turn rate is insanly good f5 would win medium diff
@capybara.44
Жыл бұрын
the Russian balalaika always wins))
@Soviet_Pig
Жыл бұрын
What the mig 21 has 4 r60 vs thr f5 2 aim9J The mig 21 guns are better to
@turbofs1982
Жыл бұрын
RUSSIA best Jet in the World MIG-21 😎😎😎🇷🇺
@Proskilljg
Жыл бұрын
Keep up the videos upload!
@bukhariez97
Жыл бұрын
arigato!
@suzybean13
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but the F5E is better lol 😂
@lenaoxton7740
5 ай бұрын
F-5 win manuver in combat xD
@GreenSkyGuy13
Жыл бұрын
Was maneuverability not a factor? I’m not an expert on these two planes, but the F-5 has crazy maneuverability ( as shown by the maneuver he pulled off in it.)
@guyfromfuture1918
Жыл бұрын
Angle of attack (aoa) is the manuveravility
@GreenSkyGuy13
Жыл бұрын
@@guyfromfuture1918 oooohhhhh ok. Thank you
@guyfromfuture1918
Жыл бұрын
@@GreenSkyGuy13 no prob
@bruhhhhmoment4848
3 ай бұрын
@@GreenSkyGuy13the f5e has great maneuverability but MiG 21 is slightly better bc of its delta wings that basically are like air brakes
@electricfire4260
10 ай бұрын
wooooow, a russian vehicle winning?? what a surprising new
@Cramsus
Жыл бұрын
Very cool video keep up the good work
@bukhariez97
Жыл бұрын
thanks!
@robloxlol672
Жыл бұрын
I kinda think you shouldn't add popularitt because it depends on which source you picked that.
@Wasssh
8 ай бұрын
No fucking way he gave size to the mig 21
@Problematic_Polygons
7 ай бұрын
Bro the mug being bigger is not a good thing
@Aidenpohlman
Жыл бұрын
What is aoa is it the aircrafts ability to point its nose at the enemy in a dog fight or is it something else
@bukhariez97
Жыл бұрын
angle of attack
@10TonneSkeleton
Жыл бұрын
F5e has no iff so mig’s radar better
@glaz9785
Жыл бұрын
F-5 in rl has better avionics tho
@andrew9021
Жыл бұрын
I really don’t see how range, max altitude, radar and popularity matter for these planes in War Thunder. Size also doesn’t matter all that much. I also have no clue how F-5E wins the armament section, since the GSh-23L is way better than the colts and the MiG-21 has better missiles as well as more of them than the F-5. Edit: I guess the armament choice could be because of the F-5Es air-to-ground weaponry, and that would make sense. For air-to-air operations however, the MiG-21 is better armed no question.
@earnmoney4741
Жыл бұрын
But you see how it matters when the americans win huh?
@andrew9021
Жыл бұрын
@@earnmoney4741 ??
@phillyflyers27
Жыл бұрын
1v1 F5E wins the dogfight if they stay turning above .91 mach. The Mig bleeds too much speed.
@NEN3469
Жыл бұрын
An interesting fact, all MiG-21s have incredible stability, it is impossible to throw them into a tailspin, even at extreme angles of attack they continue to maneuver, most likely this is due to its delta wing, Most likely the physics engine of the game simply does not understand how to work with this type of wing. From this it turns out that the instructor allows you to fly with the mouse in the same way as with full control. I'm serious, on the mouse he maneuvers in the same way as in simulator battles with full control.
@GasMask_Boio7105
7 ай бұрын
F-5, the ripper of wings
@Your_Average_Warthunderer
9 ай бұрын
Beautiful clips of the planes man, now for the video if we were talking about overall fighting ability the f5e would would win with ease
@kolbytylergaming-KTG
11 ай бұрын
As someone who is an absolute American aircraft lover, especially for the MIG-21s rival the F-4 phantom II.. the MIG-21 is an incredible jet.
@saddamhussein5462
Жыл бұрын
If you’re in an F-5, drag the one circle down to a rate fight. If you’re in a mig-21, shoot down the f-5 before the rate fight starts.
@adelloxxo2203
Жыл бұрын
the power of MIG 21 is too great . what do you mean this music sounds awesome who can give me an answer
@jehoiakimelidoronila5450
Жыл бұрын
Uhm, I beg to differ that what the strong points the fishbed has, are also the freedom fighter's strong points
@bengialpakseki1273
Жыл бұрын
I am ceetain now, you are from one of the ru**ian bias :)
@bengialpakseki1273
Жыл бұрын
*certain
@vupham6592
10 ай бұрын
MIG21 Looking at the battlefield in Vietnam, we can see the effects of fighting speed
@thesnazzycomet
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t it freedom fighter
@R3ivik
10 ай бұрын
F5 is better
@thuyanhhuynhthi2053
Жыл бұрын
The Vietnam War brought the power of outdated mig lines to become American B-52 hunters
@gusroberts8948
Жыл бұрын
Russian bot:
@earnmoney4741
Жыл бұрын
American bot:
@frisostaal3350
5 ай бұрын
I think the f5 is better
@sadjaouklit3152
Жыл бұрын
what is the name of the music?
@bukhariez97
Жыл бұрын
líue - suffer with me (slowed down) kzitem.info/news/bejne/s619z52mfaKemKA
@sadjaouklit3152
Жыл бұрын
@@bukhariez97 thanks
@Arty014
Жыл бұрын
Mig is just better
@_bizmo_fungus_894
Жыл бұрын
The nose authority you have with delta wings is insane unfortunately they shit out all their speed so fast tho. The f-5 holds energy way better so in a sustained dogfight they have the advantage
@stew-03
Жыл бұрын
The 21s particular delta design is kinda dogshit
@Wh1terun_Guard
8 ай бұрын
Info is like mama says
@milkelangelo1
4 ай бұрын
No wonder the Fishbed was the most sold jet ever in terms of sheer number
@mahdivaezi-bw1ji
5 ай бұрын
your country is Russia
@bloodbath4209
5 ай бұрын
More of These videos❤
@voey118
Жыл бұрын
Even though mig wins I'll still pick F5 I think....
@CarrotSD
Жыл бұрын
The won by losing
@Float0121
Жыл бұрын
song is Suffer With Me by líue if you're looking for it btw
@royalalex2154
Жыл бұрын
can you do special manouvres in the F-5C?
@ACE-ow8rj
Жыл бұрын
It's not the plane, Its how bad the enemy pilot is
@AnkurKumar-yd7zf
Жыл бұрын
Compare LCA Tejas and Jf 17 thunder
@PlayerAfricanChieften
8 ай бұрын
RADAR is worse??
@I_Sw1fty
9 ай бұрын
Nah f5 better
@МаксимАндреевич-н7у
5 ай бұрын
Руки решают
@marcolopez560
Жыл бұрын
F5 win ...
@anton-one9862
Жыл бұрын
Do the new f14b vs mig 29 when I comes out similar airframes seems like a fair fight with upgraded armament.
@DusktTxlDawn
Жыл бұрын
In a dogfight, mig-29 wins. In a head on, it’s a 50/50, depends on the pilots (the r27er is technically better than the aim-7m but I feel like the aim-7m tracks better idk tho) at longer ranges tho, f14b stomps. The f14b also has a v different play style, that I like to call cleanup crew. What I see people do is go up w a full aim-54 load out (which doesn’t take very long it’s engines are insane) then drop all their aim-54’s on people, rtb and bring 7m’s and 9l’s to kind of clean up what’s left. The mig-29 just kind of rushes in and says “r-27er go brrr”
@anton-one9862
9 ай бұрын
@Warium_837 Mig29
@Boo__
5 ай бұрын
Bias
@MonarchPlanes
Жыл бұрын
Nice video! ✈️ What’s the audio name?
@bukhariez97
Жыл бұрын
líue - suffer with me (slowed down) kzitem.info/news/bejne/s619z52mfaKemKA
@o7josh
Жыл бұрын
Song plz
@bukhariez97
Жыл бұрын
líue - suffer with me (slowed down) kzitem.info/news/bejne/s619z52mfaKemKA
@Reid-ox5hq
Жыл бұрын
Why does mig 21 win size? Isn’t the f5 much smaller?
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