I actually wouldn't doubt the 10:1 ratio too much. You have to consider that many of the mig-15's were flown by Chinese and North Korean pilots who had no experience with jets prior to the war and only a few weeks of training before going up against made American pilots. Soviets on the other hand were a completely different story.
@cdgncgn
7 жыл бұрын
1:1 more likely
@neetlet7809
6 жыл бұрын
1:1 was almost definitely not the case, especially later in the war when the Reds up and ran out of remotely competent pilots. The russians claimed about 7:1 in their favor and the americans claim anywhere from 8:1 to 11:1 in theirs. I think I remember reading somewhere that our best guess is 6:1 in the american's favor.
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
Also read it was rumored that the N. Korean Commies used ex-Luftwaffe pilots to fight their cause...Jury still out on that one..
@hb9145
3 жыл бұрын
@@samburkes7552 Sounds ridiculous.
@davegeisler7802
3 жыл бұрын
Yep the Mig was better than the F86A and E . The F86F was an even match but it came out late in the War.
@miguelsalami
3 жыл бұрын
My dad was an aviation mechanic for 9 years in the Marines he kept these birds in the air during the Korean conflict.
@hondacivic1293
3 жыл бұрын
A good man for a good air force 😁
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
..I salute him as.well!! Unsung heroes they are!
@FormerleyMonsterJamFan
Жыл бұрын
I salute him because america is my countries ally
@Jamesz_hunt
3 ай бұрын
Ok and
@eriktruchinskas3747
3 жыл бұрын
0:39 nice to know that our grandfather's had a sense of humor
@thunderbird1921
2 жыл бұрын
"**** em up", is perhaps what they meant? Or just the bird?
@wenaldy
10 жыл бұрын
0:39 dat middle finger
@treykearns4867
7 жыл бұрын
wenaldy wtf is 'dat'
@fastr144
5 жыл бұрын
@@treykearns4867 "that"
@treykearns4867
5 жыл бұрын
@@fastr144 I know I just like to give people shit for intentionally speaking incorrectly. I mean why on earth would anybody want to sound dumb on purpose
@treykearns4867
5 жыл бұрын
@@hammerofdavey depends whether or not you intentionally make yourself sound stupid.. if you don't do that then you would probably enjoy me there .. Yea.
@kindbouy_ufufufu411
Жыл бұрын
Believe it's or not
@raynic1173
2 жыл бұрын
Well this explains a lot...my father was a navy jet mechanic on F86s. When he got discharged in the late '50s he could not get a civilian commercial aviation job, which broke his heart and was real kick in the teeth. The reason. "Military mechanics were poorly trained." I doubt that was the case...it was probably more of the fact that the Sabres with all their problems made them look bad.
@LiberumFatalis
2 жыл бұрын
Thats sad... he couldnt ever get a job in aviation again?
@raynic1173
2 жыл бұрын
@@LiberumFatalis nope, he then a growing family to feed. So he took a job as a construction labor, then an apprenticeship. He eventually left construction for a more stable, thou less paying job, with the phone company.
@LiberumFatalis
2 жыл бұрын
@@raynic1173 man thats sad... its like taking away a pilot wings. in fact, a pilot wings are all the team behind him and the plane.
@civmike
Жыл бұрын
Damn that sucks -__-
@rbf100
3 жыл бұрын
F-86 was a beautiful plane built by North American Aviation as was the P51 Mustang.
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
..Right..also the B-25, andthe T'6 advanced trainer!! Great aircraft!
@boom1538
Жыл бұрын
@@samburkes7552 Mig-15 was simply superior. So were the soviet pilots. Wasnt for the foreign rookies flying them the final counts would be very different.
@bradenhagen7977
Жыл бұрын
@@boom1538 whatever helps you sleep at night.
@toddhill706
7 жыл бұрын
'All I want for Christmas is my wings swept back.' - Meteor pilots.
@noahholliday9761
5 жыл бұрын
My man at 0:40 flipping the bird to the fighters heading out. Don't see that everyday on these sanitized old reels.
@raynic1173
2 жыл бұрын
The 'One Finger Salute'.
@user-hd1qx2bd1r
2 жыл бұрын
Guys are going to be Guys!!!
@SnafuWT
9 жыл бұрын
North korea still uses the mig-15
@Gentamoru
9 жыл бұрын
Adrian Osorio Well i would use it too if i had one :L
@CountArtha
9 жыл бұрын
Adrian Osorio Only for training. Their air force is shit, though; just like everything else in North Korea.
@titansamuderakoraag9735
9 жыл бұрын
^^^ They have shitty air force, indeed. But, if that Kimmy fat f**k pissed of, he's gonna nuke the whole world...
@Festias
9 жыл бұрын
+Titan samudera Koraag NK nukes are reportedly small and tactical. While still very dangerous, allied missile defense networks are so vast that any attempt to perform a nuclear strike on another country would be very, very unlikely to be successful.
@collinchapman5525
8 жыл бұрын
Well yeah for training and fancy ceremonies, but nowadays they have hold of Mig-21s
@ModemMT
5 жыл бұрын
2:08 that’s actually an La-15. Different jet built by Russia.
@Tryingmybestsince1999
3 жыл бұрын
@@Rusia564 Yep that's an la-15. You can distinguish them by their wings, which start up in the fuselage. The mig 15 has his wings in the middle.
@Charlesputnam-bn9zy
3 жыл бұрын
It was of the same class with the Mig-15, but was never sent to Korea. Not wanting to add to the burnt-out junk already heaping.
@Tryingmybestsince1999
3 жыл бұрын
@@Charlesputnam-bn9zy mig15 was overall better. At least it had better aerodynamics.
@Charlesputnam-bn9zy
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tryingmybestsince1999 Perhaps that's why La-15/17 was never operational
@hondacivic1293
3 жыл бұрын
@@Charlesputnam-bn9zy you are correct
@spreadeagled5654
5 жыл бұрын
The MiG-15 is more heavily armed with one 37mm and two 23mm cannons, compared to the F-86’s six .50 ca. machine guns. ☝️
@jamesdean3109
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the MIG 15 was designed to shoot down B29 bombers, the Sabre was designed to shoot down MIGs The radar controlled sight and the 6 fifty cals was quit adequate for the job, hence the 10 to 1 kill ratio
@scottkellam7712
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdean3109 Pilot skill and tactics are the deciding factors for the most part.
@dl1027
4 жыл бұрын
@TheGreaterGood80 I read that the MiG-15 was more maneuverable than the F86. It was stated the MiG-15 was the all time most maneuverable jet fighter until the F16.
@jondenesius2745
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdean3109 The mission designation is correct, but the 10:1 ratio is a fantasy, based on reported kills by US pilots. If you look at the actual losses as reported by both sides, it was a relatively even, near 1:1 ratio. "MiG Alley" is an excellent source of info on the Korean air conflict.
@bobbyraejohnson
4 жыл бұрын
@@dl1027 mig17 was
@adamhenderly1602
3 жыл бұрын
F86 Sabre was the P51 Mustang of the Korean War and the Mig 15 was the Mig 21 of the Korean War.
@alandope8733
2 жыл бұрын
Huh the mig21 performance was better then American jets in that time for example in 1971 war the Indian MiG 21 shot down multiple American built f104 star fighters piloted by Pakistani pilots and the Vietnamese had a kd of of 1:1 and even 3:1 kd against American pilots
@hvhhvvggg8663
2 жыл бұрын
@@alandope8733 the f4 phantoms were way better
@xn0gaming
3 жыл бұрын
I like the middle finger "good luck"-wave of the two officers at 0:40
@paineoftheworld
3 жыл бұрын
The Flight Surgeon gives one also.
@a-bloke-named-chris9805
6 жыл бұрын
"Soviet volunteers" lol
@botcheek482
5 жыл бұрын
the volunteers were pilots from WW2
@ruanrenegado7729
5 жыл бұрын
Volunteers kkk 😂
@freakingabagool3510
4 жыл бұрын
VolunTOLD by Stalin. It’s the Russian way. See; “Little Green Men” of Crimea
@bencemolnar967
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know what you're talking about. My grandfather volunteered to be sent to the gulag and my grandmother volunteered to be raped by the proud soldiers of the red army. Why wouldn't they volunteer to die for something they don't support?
@imlivingunderyourbed7845
3 жыл бұрын
Well tbh, there were no Soviet ground troops involved in the Korean war, and were only supporting NK with their air power. And it's honestly ridiculous to be conscripted into the air force even if it's the Soviet air force. Although it is still possible to be drafted into the air force, the majority of draftees will always go to the army.
@zeke3486
5 жыл бұрын
"Never follow your adversary down", Osvald Boelcke 1915
@ericbrammer2245
8 жыл бұрын
You've been "86-ed", and now, you're 6 feet under!
@herctorgeart7921
3 жыл бұрын
And now you have been Migged and you're 6 feet under✈😀
@danl.909
3 жыл бұрын
That 10-1 kill ratio of F-86s over MiGs is a large exaggeration. Most scholarly studies of the subject now put the number at no better than 2-1, and closer to 1-1 when the MiGs were flown by experienced Soviet pilots.
@scavengers19
4 жыл бұрын
We should face the truth. Mig 15 lost 239 F86 lost 741 B29 lost 458
@davegeisler7802
3 жыл бұрын
The Mig 15 ripped up the B29 too
@davegeisler7802
3 жыл бұрын
Same thing would have happened to the B36 if it was used. The B52 was needed in Korea but came a few years after the War.
@davegeisler7802
2 жыл бұрын
That sounds about right , not that BS 10 to 1 popaganda that was spewed for years and years. What a joke !
@theRealests
2 жыл бұрын
@@davegeisler7802 it's a bomber, how is it going to have a +1 K/D with a fighter 🤣
@militarywarfare1428
2 жыл бұрын
When i was 4 my father fought i the korean war as mig 15 pilot he was killed in combat by an f 86
@billmasters385
2 жыл бұрын
Love how honest and intelligent these guys are who are narrating.
@ingodwetrustgachatuber2747
6 жыл бұрын
most important is the fighter pilots skills, grace and weapons
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
..Now we're talking good logic here!!
@yann.thiele8336
5 жыл бұрын
2:08 ...well THAT'S a La-15 😂
@metalthrashingai2238
9 жыл бұрын
I really would like to see a well made (and I mean not a biased one like "Red Tails") 3D movie dedicated on those dogfights. I wonder if the Americans will do one.
@TheAverageSushi
9 жыл бұрын
yea nice ideathe only ive seen by the US is Attack on Pearl Harbor I don't think its 3D though
@LTorni
9 жыл бұрын
Валерий Стойчев I would like to see one too... In the off-chance that a movie about Korean War pilots was made I doubt it would do justice to the period. It would probably be just as cheesey and biased as "Red Tails" :/
@RADIOACTIVEBUNY
8 жыл бұрын
+Валерий Стойчев We might. Don't expect it to be good, though! Hollywood has been rather shit lately.
@bananian
2 жыл бұрын
@@LTorni There are Chinese films on the Korean war but are super cheesy as well with dynasty warrior actions. XD
@justinleea2609
8 жыл бұрын
0:39 though
@armacondefence3069
8 жыл бұрын
…LOL.. at 0:40 the two guys are showing the finger to the Sabre pilots..
@jackhwang6134
8 жыл бұрын
LOL...very friendly send off...
@user-ik3uw3ou3t
2 жыл бұрын
Тhe Americans always had two visions of reality. And a Holywood one always won...
@conservativedemocracyenjoyer
2 күн бұрын
Sure thing budy
@Dra741
5 жыл бұрын
I love the f-86 sabre when I first saw her she was beautiful streamline I love the cockpit when I got to look at 1 and car engineers made the Delta 88 but the same green glowing instrumentation, I thought it was so cool
@MRptwrench
6 жыл бұрын
(Maybe for the sake of "objectivity") the narrator hints the MiG was viewed by the West as a fearful, overwhelming design. I don't think so. I think the Sabre came to the theatre just a clock tick behind, and it's design improvements including the addition of cannon and all-flying tail, more than levelled the playing field.
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, and their computer- controlled gunsight, mentioned earlier..!
@louishe2124
Жыл бұрын
Most of the US data showed that the pilots routinely attributed their own combat losses to "landing accident" or "other causes". According to official US data from USAF Statistical Digest FY1953, the US air force lost 250 F-86 fighters over Korea.
@IncogNito-gg6uh
7 ай бұрын
True. The loss of F-86s written off from combat damage was attributed to other factors.
@larskristiankarlberg225
4 жыл бұрын
Lloyd Bridges from Airplane(1980) ..?
@gabrielrodriguez821
4 ай бұрын
Also the WW2/Korean war fighter pilots had to step in during the Vietnam war to teach the rookies how to dogfight. Really, these guys were the backbone of US air power for multiple generations and wars.
@danr5105
5 жыл бұрын
It seems that we have an indication the the 6 .50 cals of the F-86 was no longer "getting the job done" I wonder what the narrator meant when he said "oh well getting heavier guns" I have read in other places where the work of the 50 cal was criticized, how about being stuck with the .303, how do you like that?
@elykeom1
4 жыл бұрын
Some F-86 models had 4 20 mm cannon. The default F-86s has trouble with the new .50s but they were still good as they used the faster firing M3 Browning instead of the M2 browning. With so many bullets, placed so accurately with the gunsight, it would take the MIG out the air combat well.
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly correct..an anemic round as compared to the 50BMG cal..for sure!!
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
@@elykeom1 Agree/concur here..all basic logistics..faster fire rate, better gunsight compensation. Add the pilots skill, training, experience, you've got a deadly combination!!
@Tezu_The_Avali
9 жыл бұрын
2:08 not a mig 15 this is a la 15 or possibly a la 174
@trooper44481
9 жыл бұрын
anthony boettcher It`s a La 15. U`re right.
@Logstudent1988
6 жыл бұрын
La 15
@IncogNito-gg6uh
7 ай бұрын
Actually, the fact that American pilots fought the Russian Migs to a draw is impressive when you consider the F-86s were operating at the limits of their range against Mig-15s that were flying close to their own bases. The Migs were superior in speed, climb, and ceiling. The Russians also used brilliant tactics.
@Marywqq_
2 жыл бұрын
What is this documentary's name? I want to watch full documentary
@Flyinghigh888
7 ай бұрын
@2:08-2:13 That was a Lavochkin. La15 fighter, not MiG15!
@ettorediblasio7241
7 жыл бұрын
I saw multiples replays.
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
Aahh-hh!! So did I!! Good eye/memory co-ordination there! I thought so!!
@hb9145
3 жыл бұрын
Still using 50 cals that were obsolete in the middle of the second world war, at the latest.
@davegeisler7802
3 жыл бұрын
Yep and the Mig had two 23mm and 37 mm cannon .. ouch !
@conservativedemocracyenjoyer
2 күн бұрын
Considering how fragile early jets were, this sounds like a lot of cope to me
@pedrojak7
4 ай бұрын
I think it was closer to 4:1 kill ratio in favour of the Americans. The first 18 months the Chinese had veteran Russian volunteer pilots flying alongside them so things were pretty closely matched but halfway through the war the Russians pulled out leaving North Korea with relatively inexperienced pilots and that’s when the score started racking up in favour of the U.S.
@francisbusa1074
2 жыл бұрын
Good vid, but hard to hear some of the words spoken due to loud sound effects.
@MrPijus123
9 жыл бұрын
One of the clips showed an La-15 instead of the MiG and the American chatter was repeated twice. Lemme guess- History channel?
@MrPijus123
8 жыл бұрын
P-51 greatest plane of WW2! Had no equal! F-35 is a worthy investment! The Oil War was not America's fault!
@ToreDL87
6 жыл бұрын
Trigger failed.
@anushmikael2540
5 жыл бұрын
The soviet pilots were as goid as the us ones and used the better mig 15 thats why they hed a higher kill ratio when the migs were controled by soviets
@herctorgeart7921
3 жыл бұрын
Your view is well balance on the facts,I like that👍✈✈
@davegeisler7802
3 жыл бұрын
they battled the Luftwaffe on the Eastern Front , great pilots !
@spacetomato1020
4 жыл бұрын
Sabre actually had a 1.8:1 kill ratio to the MiGs, not a 10:1
@davegeisler7802
3 жыл бұрын
The Mig was better than the early Sabre not unti the F86F was it an even match. I heard 1.4 to 1 kill ratio
@attysthoughts3253
2 жыл бұрын
That includes North Korean pilots and Soviet rookies in the beginning. I would be curious what's the kill ration when best of the US faced up against the best of the USSR.
@timyakushev9833
2 жыл бұрын
American media: "our pilots had totall dominance in the skies" Russian media: "the American pilots feared our aces who fought in the Korean war"
@cj16423
2 жыл бұрын
No one lasts forever, everyone gets replaced
@cj16423
2 жыл бұрын
But your Russian fighter jets are amazing by the way
@cristhianflores2000
7 жыл бұрын
2:08 no is a MiG-17 is a La-15 :o
@deathmatcher69
7 жыл бұрын
well, seems like Russian Bias didnt work this time
@slavarodu5062
5 жыл бұрын
It did, the best aces were still soviets like nikolai sutjagin
@larsrucker3789
5 жыл бұрын
What is the source of this footage?
@mac4boys541
2 жыл бұрын
2 Focke Wulf influenced designs going up against each other
@ejnaygfantzcg
9 жыл бұрын
Copying a german jet and 4 years later it's still not working as intended. lol
@davegeisler7802
3 жыл бұрын
The Mig 15 worked quite well, so well some Air Forces were flying it well into the 1970s !
@damienmaynard8892
4 жыл бұрын
2:08 - 2:13 is a Lavochkin La-15.... One was claimed in Korea despite there being none there!
@Charlesputnam-bn9zy
3 жыл бұрын
2:29 looks like good old James Whitmore !
@fredericfournier5662
3 жыл бұрын
You're right and I love this actor. Just saw recently my dvd Asphalt Jungle and Bastogne. Strong performance. Greetings from France
@Charlesputnam-bn9zy
3 жыл бұрын
@@fredericfournier5662 J'aime LA FRANCE !
@treykearns4867
7 жыл бұрын
sounded like WW2 an Korea hero Robin Olds
@thurstonhowell3569
2 жыл бұрын
4:08 Is that guy flipping the bird at the jet.
@Zerosen89
4 ай бұрын
Wish I knew how they did it, since I can't beat the mig 15 in the F86 in war thunder ARB
@Polaf3456
9 жыл бұрын
"MiG Engines based ironically on a reverse engineered Rolls Royce design."
@jackhwang6134
8 жыл бұрын
+Kristiantio905 Rolls Royce sold 40 Nene engines to Soviets not the design. Soviet copied it and named it RD45. Later on they made a little modification due to the metallurgy difficulties and called it VK-1. VK-1 was used on MiG-15bis, MiG-17, and IL-28. RR sued Soviet but never received a pence. RR Nene is a centrifugal-flow turbojet. F-86s' GE J-47 is an axial-flow turbo jet. Although J-47 was the out-come of the collaboration of GE and another British company, it is a totally different type of engine.
@Kcrthn
2 жыл бұрын
I thought the early F86 only had rockets and no forward guns?
@Uchiha_Cat_
4 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that Britain used the mig 21’s and the US used the f86f or f86 sabre its just beautiful
@davidjames2145
2 жыл бұрын
Er....what? Britain used the Mig-21? Can you provide a reference for that 'fact' please? 🇬🇧
@spud1030
10 жыл бұрын
at 3:22 why did it have its gear up?
@paineoftheworld
3 жыл бұрын
The two most beautiful aircraft to grace the skies, except maybe F16 Falcon.
@aduard34
6 жыл бұрын
This MiG -15, La - 15 the chassis is located on the fuselage....
@name20411
9 жыл бұрын
what documentary is this from?
@Frankie-O
6 жыл бұрын
Not Dogfights that's for sure.
@ballandchain7056
4 жыл бұрын
It's from "Call me By your name"
@dreamer8474
8 жыл бұрын
i like both F86 and MIG15 so what)
@SuperEdge67
8 жыл бұрын
Both had copies of British jet engines
@TheCollateralManage
7 жыл бұрын
F-86 had merely war-time the German of much less thrust ;-)
@willymakeit5172
5 жыл бұрын
Let me get this straight, the flight surgeon is giving them the finger?
@user-oo2yo2gn5s
2 жыл бұрын
nice old film
@cvhinson1
2 жыл бұрын
Know what’s funny? Three’s been no MIG-15 without Great Britain gifting them the rolls Royce nene to power it. Thanks a pant-load, friend. At least some of your pilots were killed as a result as well
@nippon2003
4 жыл бұрын
0:22 the most american thing I saw today
@teslashark
3 ай бұрын
2:07 That's a La-15 not a MiG
@cvhinson1
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Britain, for siding with the enemy. No wonder your pilots didn’t serve, you provided the enemy with a great engine
@xXJAKMACKXx
9 жыл бұрын
Can someone list this documentary pleahs.
@croma81
10 жыл бұрын
2:08 La-15 not Mig-15
@mrsteel250
10 жыл бұрын
la-15 or la-174 :/
@Bull_10RR
10 жыл бұрын
I Said didnt know WT is an encyclopedia. you do know there were more russian fighters with wings on high fuselage right?
@mrsteel250
10 жыл бұрын
Worstname evar its aleither LA 15 or LA 174 because it doesn't have the NS-37 cannon but instead has the 3 NR 23 cannons
@mrsteel250
10 жыл бұрын
Worstname evar but yeah I've seen many with wings high on fuselage but I know for sure that's LA 15
@avroraavataralbertova612
5 жыл бұрын
La -15 not be any aircraft in Russian air force
@Eggemeyers
8 жыл бұрын
Could this break the sound barrier in a steep dive??
@jackhwang6134
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, F-86 did.
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
@@jackhwang6134 ..But you'd better have enough remaining altitude to recover/level off..!!
@krivcov
2 жыл бұрын
Голос одного из комментатора на Познера похож. Не он ли?
@alanpeterson6224
7 жыл бұрын
I didn't know the F-86's,"Really weren't built all that well." They kept falling apart. Whose fault was this?
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
Where did you hear that bit of b.s.??
@frederickwee
9 жыл бұрын
Have a safe flight! lol middle finger to you!!
@WobbaFett9001
9 жыл бұрын
Lol I thought I was the only one that noticed
@briankinnear1314
5 жыл бұрын
Is that Anthony quale narrating??
@Cheshire897
4 жыл бұрын
sounds like Robin Olds
@CrazyForCooCooPuffs
9 жыл бұрын
cept those migs were piloted by russians =D
@daniele86388
8 жыл бұрын
Lol realy easily victory for US pilots
@slavarodu5062
5 жыл бұрын
@@daniele86388Soviet Nikolai Sutyagin, the best ace of korean war with 22 f86 kills.. Your dumbass argument is invalid.
@angelcervantes6934
4 жыл бұрын
@@slavarodu5062 thats one person though
@tempestvideos9834
2 жыл бұрын
0:39 - The bird
@migueltrombettonipipinich1719
7 жыл бұрын
Porque no cuentan los Sabre f-86 derribados y la tremenda cantidad de B-29 destruìdos???AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
@aydncksk6870
7 жыл бұрын
when is action?
@LooxJJ
4 жыл бұрын
Russians say Migs were on par with F-86. I disagree. My family went through this war and my grandfather was involved with South Korean military with decorations - the fact is that during the war, pretty much entire Korean peninsular was free of these Migs. The only area where air to air combat was contested was in the Mig Alley. That tells about the superiority of F-86 over the Migs.
@eb3yr
3 жыл бұрын
Aircraft performance, pilot performance and the supply of both are all different factors at play. The MiG15 was certainly on par with the sabre, lacking only roll rate and cannon velocity, with a slightly lower speed but better climb and turn. MiG17s were deadly and absolutely outclassed sabres.
@LooxJJ
3 жыл бұрын
@@eb3yr US achieved the air superiority over the Korean peninsular by the summer of 1952 after the Chinese incursion. It was a rare sight to see any Migs over Korea by then. Mig-15 losses were too high for USSR to risk further commitment of these expensive jets when they were NOT supposedly involved in the war. By the end of 1952 and 1953, North Korean Air Force was nearly non-existence.
@saucejohnson9862
10 жыл бұрын
@spud1030 Most likely his electronic systems were shot out causing them to deploy where he wouldn't be able to retract them.
@Bull_10RR
10 жыл бұрын
also remember that korean skies were extremely cold (even on the ground. the crews had to wear gloves so the skin wouldnt stick to the metal and even starting the damn engines was an issue) and they fought at extremely high altitudes, it was common for parts to freeze causing malfunctions. ex: Jeff Jabara's 5th and 6th kill, he had a drop tank stuck on his wing because of a frozen pin that stopped it from releasing like the left wing tank. he fought off 2 flights of migs while having unsymetrical drag. he couldnt turn with the migs nor outrun them. an element of nearby sabres saved him from an pair of migs (killing the lead mig in the process). mabey a shot caused it to drop for what ever reason and the temperature of the metal might also have something to do with it dropping and not raising. *not that he would need it anyways*
@Bull_10RR
10 жыл бұрын
on a closer look, he also had the flaps lowered for either takeoff or landing position, might have been on final aproach or just gotten airborne
@arberchabot8760
7 жыл бұрын
what is "head for the deck"?
@maczanin1658
7 жыл бұрын
head for deck means dive into low altitude to gain speed, however Sabre has better diving and maximum speed than Mig15. The correct way to get away from a sabre in a mig is to go in a vertical climb
@arberchabot8760
7 жыл бұрын
i see thks
@nickmitsialis
7 жыл бұрын
I had heard that up until the last months of the war a Mig 15 had a substantially higher service ceiling than an F86 (and poorer performance at lower altitudes)--but North American kept making 'improvements' in Saber performance.
@tylerbonser7686
7 жыл бұрын
3:50 Did he say when the F86 got heavier guns it finally started getting kills? It always had 6 .50's so what is this guy talking about?
@botlester9573
7 жыл бұрын
the f86 f2 had 4 20m but still the migs had 20mm AND 37mm
@nickmitsialis
7 жыл бұрын
Not sure why....only a few F86s experimented with 20mm--their ammo was more limited (they had to use them in sets of '2' and firing them often caused gas ingestion & flameouts') so the majority were using the 6 .50 cals; I THINK it's because with improved training, experience & perhaps better ammo, the Saber jockies were getting more hits at closer ranges.
@botlester9573
7 жыл бұрын
+Nick Mitsialis maybe, all I know is that it has the same maneuverability and everything but the speed and the 4×20mm gun with 360 rounds
@botlester9573
7 жыл бұрын
+Nick Mitsialis btw, you interested in planes?? you should check out a game called war thunder. its a world war 1 and 2 based game. theres tanks, planes, and naval coming soon!!
@nickmitsialis
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks; If I only had a worthwhile internet connection... ;-)
@jamesalexander3547
2 жыл бұрын
Bruh they flipped him off 😂
@Matze239
3 жыл бұрын
all i see is a german plane fighting a german plane lol
@Albyint
10 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Migs and sabres had dogfights... Oh, wait... No they didn't. Sabres cant out turn migs, luckily, contrary to popular belief, turn rate is not as important in air combat as it is in fantasies.
@spiritofattack
10 жыл бұрын
The MiG-15 was unstable at high speeds, and its manual flight controls meant that it could not roll rapidly at high Mach numbers. The F-86 design benefited by the Bell X-1's breaking the sound barrier, which was secret at the time, and gave us information on how to control aircraft above .85 Mach. Yes, the MiG could out turn the F-86 in a constant turn, especially at high altitude, but at a high Mach the MiG's flight controls were almost frozen by the high air pressures. The F-86 had hydraulic boost of flight controls, but the MiG did not. The MiG was so difficult to control at high Mach that it could not shoot accurately. We didn't know this until late in the war, when we finally got a MiG-15 from a defector and were able to test fly it in the USA.
@user-rr9ng9bo9l
6 жыл бұрын
this is not the fucking war thunder
@neetlet7809
6 жыл бұрын
Correction: Sabres cannot out-turn MiGs at altitude. Sabres have the advantage under about 40,000 ft. Good point about the importance of turn rate though. Source: The United States Air Force in Korea, 1950-1953, by Robert Futrell. I want to say the page number is in the 600s.
@seanmager1168
5 жыл бұрын
Bruce Gordon... True... F86 Sabre was a stable strong reliable rugged design... mig15 wasn't as stable and also its pilots were not as good as American pilots... an also the F86 Sabre received updates that made its flight an combat performance even better...
@deliriumbee4678
2 жыл бұрын
@@seanmager1168 nice joke that's why they had the same casualties in pilots with korea? Plus korea didn't even had the number of airforce us had lol f sheep
@constantinusaugustus8980
4 жыл бұрын
LOVELY
@John_Trent
2 жыл бұрын
Не слабые такие "советские волонтеры" попались.. северная Корея осталась вне влияния запада. Как же так?)
@zwiazek1952
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody, like Americans, will lie to his history.
@alessandrotobia706
6 жыл бұрын
Gli aerei migliori erano ovviamente i mig ma purtroppo i piloti nord coreani non sapevano neanche cos'è un aereo d'attacco
@Matze239
4 жыл бұрын
That's german engineering fighting against german engineering lmao
@miembrodevagos3565
2 жыл бұрын
I love the the F86🇺🇲♥️🦅
@vinrusso821
9 жыл бұрын
Sabre had a 10 to 1 kill ratio. Even they admit 7 to 1. Migs defected to the west, so they knew a lot about they're deficiency.
@MrPijus123
9 жыл бұрын
MiG-15s used lend-lease Rolls Royce engines, they didn't copy the design.
@CountArtha
9 жыл бұрын
MrPijus123 Lend-lease was over by then. Rolls-Royce agreed to sell the design for their Nene turbojet to the USSR and the Labour government approved the sale. The Soviets never got around to paying them. Dirty Commies.
@TheCollateralManage
7 жыл бұрын
Sovieta exchanged by nuclear tech cause US kicked UK out Manhattan exactly that time
@neetlet7809
6 жыл бұрын
Britain lend-leased a Nene as a sort of diplomatic gift. The USSR of course immediately took it apart to reverse-engineer it, and when they sent the Nene back they started production of their own version. IIRC they changed a few things so they could claim it was theirs. But no, they basically copied the Nene.
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
@@CountArtha ..Yeah, it figures!
@samburkes7552
3 жыл бұрын
@@neetlet7809 That's also how I understood it
@slavarodu5062
5 жыл бұрын
"the communist pilots were no match in skills for american and allied aces"... What a bullshit ass bias, the biggest ace of korean war was Nikolai Sutjagin with 5 more kills (i think it was 22 f86s) than his american counterpart. And since mig15 and f86 were so simmilar in performance it all depended from a pilot's skills. And the soviet volunteers were many times a nut too hard to break for americans. But its true that chinese and korean pilots were much inferior and were way too unskilled for such an aircraft as the mig15.
@uruterus7849
7 жыл бұрын
And the russian propaganda goes on and on and on in the comments......
@etoiledenoundi
7 жыл бұрын
Oh sure! It was the Russians who claimed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and posted the fake satellite pictures to the Pentagon by FEDEX isn't it? Anyone who believes what you lying Americans say or claim is a brain-dead moron!
@SectionZ1996
4 жыл бұрын
cliff njikang get a life if you think Russia is full saints
@-few-fernando11
3 жыл бұрын
So did I heard well? Soviet volunteers where no match for the US pilos? Like they were not battle hardened veterans too?
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