I was an F-14 mechanic at NAS Dallas during the 90s. We had an ACM flat spin crash into open prairie around 100 miles south of Dallas.around 1992-93 a few days before Christmas. The pilot ejected, but there are shielded detonating cables inside a tube to the rear that trigger the rear seat to eject. They are right below the canopy sill. The canopy twisted off in a flat spin tearing these cables and the rear seat failed to eject. After we arrived at the site after dark, we had not been told there was a fatality. I stood watch over him through the night. He was a Navy reservist, a schoolteacher. We were there about a week,
@peters972
29 күн бұрын
Thank you
@rickandrew6397
25 күн бұрын
Tragedy 😢
@williamsoutherland9087
25 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@daveinseattle
24 күн бұрын
Thank you Mark 🙏
@martinmoffitt4702
24 күн бұрын
Fellow crew chief here, Air Force...Thank you for your service and your loss
@EKneller
Жыл бұрын
This looks like footage from a test flight at NAS Patuxent River in 1976 or 1977. The flight was planned to test post-stall characteristics of the F-14 and had tracking cameras for post-flight analysis. Prior to this test flight the aircraft manufacturer, Grumman, believed the F-14 could not be put into a spin (obviously proved wrong here). Both the pilot and RIO survived the ejection (at 1:54). Read DD Smith's 'Above Average' for his excellent first-hand account of this flight and his fight to survive the 7.5 eyeballs-out g-forces for 55 spin rotations.
@FarmerDrew
Ай бұрын
Would really clear the sinuses out, wouldn't it
@JoelLessing
Ай бұрын
A CNN reporter actually flew on this mission or a related one and the tape is on You-Tube.
@FS2K4Pilot
Ай бұрын
I’m given to understand that Hoser Satrapa developed a spin recovery technique wherein you could simply sweep the wings full aft, moving the Tomcat’s center of dynamic pressure aft and causing the plane to nose down and recover. You needed at least 10,000 feet to recover, though.
@FS2K4Pilot
Ай бұрын
@@JoelLessingCNN didn’t exist back then.
@douglasdixon524
Ай бұрын
@@JoelLessingNot this one, if this film is from 1976. CNN didn't even exist, so definitely later on. It would be cool to find it.
@kewkabe
Ай бұрын
Retired F-14 pilot with over 200 sorties, Xbox squadron: just hold down the forward button for about 5 seconds and you'll straighten right out.
@willbracken2367
Ай бұрын
😂
@FlightLevel36zero
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 👍
@MegaSunspark
Ай бұрын
@@kewkabe ...or reset sim. 😁
@ytzpilot
Ай бұрын
Thank you for your service
@Csetnikke
29 күн бұрын
Were you in Xbox One or Xbox 360th?
@trentejames9773
Ай бұрын
that was the longest falling object ive ever seen 🤣 my brain was about to combust
@thomasmartin7425
Ай бұрын
It was like a horse that wanted riders of it's back. Once they were bucked off, the horse went back to its routine.
@Andrew-13579
Ай бұрын
@@thomasmartin7425 😄. Yeah, it straightened out and started heading back to the barn.
@jimbopaw
7 күн бұрын
It is possible that pilot inputs made it worse
@jeffer1101
6 күн бұрын
@@jimbopaw don't fight a flat spin, you'll make it worse. it's almost best to let go of the controls and "let the plane fall". it will likely settle down and you can then regain control. near the end of the video, after the pilot ejects, you can see the aircraft does settle down and basically hits the water like a dart. if the pilot just let it go and waited a few seconds, he would have likely been able to save it (unless ditching it was part of the test).
@sandorrabe5745
2 күн бұрын
Yes exactly right after ejection it came out of the spin 😂
@castlebravocrypto1615
19 күн бұрын
"I've flown over 180 combat missions, been shot down single every time. Come to think of it, I don't I've ever landed a plane in my life." Llyod Bridges, Hotshots
@MAXIMUMF
10 күн бұрын
I don't I've ever?
@jimbower9268
Ай бұрын
Something similar happened with an F-106 years ago. The ejection forced its nose down just enough to allow it to recover. Lowering the nose is one step in spin recovery, but the controls are ineffective in a flat spin. That plane actually landed with minimal damage in a field when the fuel ran out, and flew again.
@edruic4493
Ай бұрын
The “cornfield bomber”, it’s on display at the Air Force museum
@andnowi
Ай бұрын
Cool
@markoldreive
Ай бұрын
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
@markmaki4460
Ай бұрын
There is even a Leftypedia page dedicated to the event and plane. *I mean Wikipedia.
@gwilymselwood
Ай бұрын
facts matter
@willthacker5182
Ай бұрын
it could be that the ejection rockets created enough thrust along with the thicker air at the lower altitude started to arrest the spin rate. Even if they stayed with it and recovered it, both engines were probably compressor stalled (F-14a) and there wouldnt have been enough altitude to get them started.
@jesflynn4048
Ай бұрын
thrust from the seat rocket pack would have only a small effect on the aircraft, as the efflux momentum is only briefly and partially absorbed by the airframe. The initial 'gun' -part of the ejection, though, imparts om 100m/s^2 acceleration to the jockey + seat (a combined mass of say 200kg) over a distance of around 2 metres before the rocket-pack provides any thrust; it's this momentum exchange that pitched the nose down, not the 'rocket'.
@rhargee4014
23 күн бұрын
It seems the weight of the pilots threw the plane off kilter
@Stan_Vitkovsky
21 күн бұрын
@@jesflynn4048 общая масса авиаторов и кресел около 450 кг (1000 pounds) это могло повлиять. Кроме того изменилась аэродинамика из за отстрела фонаря кабины. также импульс РДТТ поглощенный кабиной в течение 0,5 секунд пока кресло покидает кокпит оказал какое то влияние. Все это заставило самолет раскачиваться по крену с соскальзыванием в пике. The total mass of the pilots and seats is about 450 kg (1000 pounds), this could have affected it. In addition, the aerodynamics changed due to the canopy being shot off. Also, the impulse of the solid propellant rocket motor absorbed by the cabin for 0.5 seconds while the seat leaves the cockpit had some effect. All this caused the aircraft to swing in a roll with a slip in a dive.
@terranovarain6570
18 күн бұрын
Problem recovering from a spin with early jet aircraft is the first step of pare technique Power off Why they created avionics to try and prevent them from even stalling It's not a problem with newer aircraft because of thrust vectoring and leading edge slats
@terranovarain6570
18 күн бұрын
The pare technique can be counter intuitive because you have to rudder into the spin
@briantaylor9285
Ай бұрын
"You have to let him go, sir."
@willbracken2367
Ай бұрын
There will be others.
@robertlackey7212
Ай бұрын
"These aren't the droids your looking for"
@LAV-25A2_56
24 күн бұрын
"Watch the canopy!"
@terrymeadows2384
Ай бұрын
We found that the F-14 flat spin was induced by the disruption of airflow into the starboard engine. This disruption stalled the engine, which produced enough yaw rate to induce a spin which was unrecoverable. There was no way Lieutenant Mitchell could either see or avoid the jet wash which produced the engine stall. Therefore, the board of inquiry found that Lieutenant Pete Mitchell was not at fault in the accident of 29 July. Lieutenant Mitchell's record was cleared of this incident. Lieutenant Mitchell was restored to flight status without further delay. These proceedings were closed. According to sources, he was up flying soon after.
@rodmunch7278
Ай бұрын
Okay.
@user-qq9zx1zu9z
Ай бұрын
Top gun 😂
@benjaminc8789
Ай бұрын
And went on to shoot down Mig 28s
@scott.c9587
Ай бұрын
Stupid reply
@jamesp13152
Ай бұрын
That's great news, thank you. 😁
@susanin5249
Ай бұрын
After the crew ejected, the plane came out of the spin on its own. Bravo!
@tomperock1615
Ай бұрын
Why was the T-30 Engine used on The F-14 TF -30 Pratt and Whitney engines were Terrible . Compressor Stalls .,GE Is a much Better Engine .
@BrianMorrison
Ай бұрын
@@tomperock1615 It was used because that was what was available given that it was the engine from the cancelled F-111B and it was decided not to risk a new airframe and engine together. Of course later on the better GE engines were fitted to various F-14 models, the really bad TF30-P412 was updated to the P414A which was used for the first decade or more of the F-14's service life.
@foxwhiskey
Ай бұрын
After ejection of the crew the massive lost of weight (pilot/ wso/seats...) pushes the center of gravity in tail-direction. So the jet can stabilize.
@ssenbruns
Ай бұрын
@@foxwhiskey Are you sure about that? Its nose would be lighter pushing the CofG to the rear further
@foxwhiskey
Ай бұрын
@@ssenbruns sorry, my fault. CG in tail-direction, of course. Comment corrected.
@davidshaw5973
26 күн бұрын
Why didnt someone teach Maverick this? Goose would still be with us!! Amazing video
@mikebell2112
Ай бұрын
If you stare at it long enough it will spin in the opposite direction.
@Twobarpsi
Ай бұрын
I can't unsee that!
@mfsmgame
16 күн бұрын
@@Twobarpsithat is because when he ejects, it does move the direction
@KumaBean
14 күн бұрын
Since I was a kid I’ve enjoyed looking at spinning objects changing the direction of spin with my mind, sometimes I can’t flip it back the other way, lol
@gordrilla
5 күн бұрын
I noticed that too...I did a double take
@erichiller4144
Ай бұрын
I had some close calls. and I'll tell you what I couldn't find my seat for. a day and a half. The pucker factor was so hard. Thank God for training.
@jimwhite9483
29 күн бұрын
What kind of training? Certainly not in grammar or basic sentence composition.
@erichiller4144
29 күн бұрын
@@jimwhite9483 Thank you very much have a good day Sir.
@CR055FIRE
Ай бұрын
"holy shit" "this is not good" "engine one is out" "engine two is out" "goose i'm losing control, i'm losing control, i, i can't, i can't control it"
@thomasmartin7425
Ай бұрын
@@CR055FIRE the plane had "lost that loving feeling, whoa-o that loving feeling, now it's gone, gone, and, and it can't go on whoa-o-o."
@barrettcarl3009
Ай бұрын
Was looking for this comment...
@ΒασιληςΚαραγιάννης-μ1ζ
18 күн бұрын
Eject, eject, eject!!!!!
@TexasNEV
Ай бұрын
Lt. Pete Mitchell was eventually cleared of this accident but unfortunately lost his WSO. He was eventually returned to flight status and shot down several MiG-28's.
@maths1az
Ай бұрын
There's no such plane as MiG-28
@TexasNEV
Ай бұрын
@@maths1az LOL.. Do some googling and then you'll laugh later..
@ProcessSherpa
Ай бұрын
RIP Goose
@TexasNEV
Ай бұрын
@@maths1az Do some googling, you'll laugh later.. :)
@krzysztofjasinski5007
Ай бұрын
@@maths1azthere is! They made picture if it.
@jimcameron9848
Ай бұрын
Retired MS Flight Simulator pilot here: flat spins are 100 percent recoverable! Move your right index finger to the round "on/off" power switch and click it once for 3 seconds. Problem solved. Happy flying.
@markleviner2540
21 күн бұрын
What a hoot. Turn it off. Love it when BugsBunny say it ran out of gas at three feet and stoped. Pilots have to have a good since of humor! 😂 You have to admite danger is a rush!!!! MMLZZZ
@LODIECHODIE
23 күн бұрын
To see it recover on its own is just epic...
@natecloe8535
17 күн бұрын
The F-22s came along and WRECKED a Navy buddy of mine one day. Well, scared the hell outta him at least. He had been in for about 10 years already when I had first gotten in. And he worked at 2 different squadrons a Tomcat squadron when he began and he had just left an F18 Hornet squadron to come to our base and do security. They brought the still relatively new F22 raptor to an air show. The F22 along with every fighter jet made after. Is powerful enough to actually purposefully put itself into a flat spin that would be fatal for any other aircraft. And pull out of the flat spin as easy as it would take off from the runway. I was working security with a guy who looked up and saw the raptor go into a flat spin during the air show. Before I had any clue what was happening he was on his radio freaking out about a plane crash at the air show. He made that call fully expecting that that thing was going to hit the ground but it never did. We made fun of him for 4 solid years over that.
@motorcyclestig8539
17 күн бұрын
😂 that's pretty funny
@mikesmith-wk7vy
Жыл бұрын
They trained the pilots on how to recover from that one, unlike the f104 it wasn’t impossible to recover. Something like throttle back wings straight nose down then full power to the engine counter to the spin or something like that
@berryreading4809
Жыл бұрын
I think this flight test recording was part of the genesis for that further recovery testing and training ...
@tyejames
8 ай бұрын
there were a few ways to get out of it depending on which pilot you ask. lower flaps and drop landing gear according to bob hoover and another way is to idle one engine and throttle up the engine on the side you are spinning to counteract the spin until you stabilize. i think there’s a few other ways but i’m not sure where to find it.
@willharmatuk4723
4 ай бұрын
Idle engines, full engine thrust on engine opposite to spin (if you’re spinning right, full thrust to right engine, rudder in the direction opposite the spin, aileron into the direction of the spin. From what I’ve read. I’m 80% sure about the aileron/the last part.
@mebeingU2
Ай бұрын
@@willharmatuk4723…well, are you 100% sure of just 80%?? Don’t get me up there using your method if you’re only 80% sure!!!! 🛩️
@helpful5539
Ай бұрын
How in the world could a 104 flat spin, it has no wings to spin on !!!
@NickolaiVolkov
9 күн бұрын
"Altitude 8,000... 7,000!! Six! We're at six, Mav!"
@Weeaboo_AF
Жыл бұрын
How it recovered itself without the pilot 💀😭
@martynjones7354
Жыл бұрын
The change to the centre of gravity from the crew ejecting.
@michaelrabie1833
10 ай бұрын
The crew ejecting would move the CG aft, making it even more difficult to recover. The F14 recover ed after the crew ejected, being there was no control inputs. Most aircraft would recover from spins, and flat spins with hands and feet off the controls.
@EvMstein
10 ай бұрын
I think the air just denser
@sidb9540
8 ай бұрын
As far as I know only wing stalls can be recovered by applying opposite rudder and neutral to nose down attitude.. a flat spin does not create air flow necessary over the elevators for pitch control, therefore needs an external source of force( thrust) to pull it out of the spin. Flat spins are almost unrecoverable..@@michaelrabie1833
@wife-emailer467
4 ай бұрын
@@EvMsteinyou have a point
@christhesmith
25 күн бұрын
God level camera work
@kingtutt61
20 күн бұрын
By a camera controlled and operated thru a radar.
@nealstarling5422
Ай бұрын
I think it’s important to remember jets are fast because the have less aerodynamic lift than a small two seat prop plane, (lift is drag) basically they are lawn darts when not under power, so yes, nose down to gain speed to gain lift put they really need to get moving fast for that to happen, at those speeds the ground comes up quickly. I can only imagine the amount of centrifugal force they were under.
@bronco5334
19 күн бұрын
"lift is drag" is a pretty gross oversimplification. It is true that, for any given airfoil section, increasing lift means also increasing drag, but it is NOT true that two different airfoil sections necessarily increase drag in order to increase lift a proportionate amount. Some airfoils are simply more efficient (and/or more efficient in certain airspeed ranges) than other airfoils. The airfoil designs used on common general aviation aircraft like Cessna 150, 152, or 172s are quite drag-inefficient. Which doesn't matter a whole lot, because those aircraft aren't intended to fly much more than 100 knots anyway.
@David-yy7lb
Ай бұрын
Retired F14 pilot here a flat spin is completely recoverable depending on aircraft Recognize the spin: Take immediate action as soon as you notice the spin, as it can cause a significant loss of altitude. Reduce rotational speed: Reduce the throttle to idle. Counteract the spin: Apply full opposite rudder. Decrease the angle of attack: Push forward on the stick or yoke to break the stall. top the rotation: Once the rotation has stopped, neutralize the rudder. Apply back pressure: Apply back pressure on the elevator to gently recover from the dive. Add power: Add power to return to normal flight.👍🏿
@athgt6630
Ай бұрын
in a flat spin rudder and elevator are stalled and cannot help. changing the geometry of the F14 could have helped
@TopAirspace
Ай бұрын
It seems the ejection sequence and now also having less weight in the front of the aircraft changed the centre of gravity enough that the plane managed to correct itself 😅
@u171098atgmail
Ай бұрын
since you flew the turkey you'd know the immediate action for a verified flat spin was one step 1.) Eject most crews discussed getting rid of the canopy first so as not to bump into it coming out
@guod911
Ай бұрын
I wrote down your advice and will be sure to reference it when the situation arises. Thanks so much.
@mizzyroro
Ай бұрын
@guod911 you'd be dead if you followed that advice.
@jstephenallington8431
22 күн бұрын
I'm going to guess that losing the canopy caused enough drag to slow the spin to the point were the nose dropped, and the airplane began picking up enough forward motion to regain airflow across the vertical stabilizers and that stopped the spin. Of course, none of that would have happened had the pilots not ejected, (p.s. in this instance, losing the canopy had the same general effect as deploying a drag chute to stop the spinning)
@JohnSaylock-ec4cd
Ай бұрын
I guess giving it nose down is the trick.. makes sence to increase air flow over the wing to regain lift.
@skyserf
Ай бұрын
Ejection at 1:54 for those who don’t want to wait.
@jonathanparle8429
Ай бұрын
No one can say he didn't try for a long time to try and recover it!!
@JRPetruk
Ай бұрын
I'm blown away that he stuck with it so long...
@TeddyCavachon
Ай бұрын
Given the way the force of the ejection caused it to recover from the flat spin it would seem possible to have a system of emergency rocket thrusters in the nose, deployed by the pilot if in an unrecoverable flat spin and then controlled by computer to arrest the circular spinning and push the nose down to get air moving over the control surfaces.
@reason6835
Ай бұрын
That’s not why it recovered. When the pilots ejected the center of gravity shifted more to the rear due to less weight in the front.
@thunderboltlightning6010
21 күн бұрын
I think they didn’t plan it. Spin recovery chute is a thing you know, if they plan to test flat spin,it would be installed.
@bronco5334
19 күн бұрын
Why would you add the extra weight of rocket thrusters (and the extra pyrotechnic hazard) to get out a situation that is rarely encountered, and much better managed by just having the pilot stay out of the flight regime where a flat spin can initiate in the first place? Adding weight to the aircraft reduces it's overall performance and safety in every other situation that *isn't* a flat spin.
@PavloLukashuk
24 күн бұрын
After the ejection of both pilots, there was a change in the center of gravity👍, and the plane itself went into normal flight mode! 🤔 campaign, the pilot behind had to eject first, and the pilot in front could try to regain control! but this is if the engines were working, at least one! 😉Thanks for video !
@prowlus
5 ай бұрын
Mayday mayday Mav’s in a flat spin . Heading out to sea
@provetamin
Ай бұрын
lol what i was thinking
@briantaylor9285
Ай бұрын
"8,000! 7,000, 6! We're at 6, Mav! AHHH!"
@frankdamato8405
Ай бұрын
@@prowlus Yeah the fighter exercise was over SE CA but somehow the plane was headed out to sea, what sea? The salton sea? 🤔😁
@jasonhobbs4676
22 күн бұрын
“Goose I’m pinned forward…you’re going to have to punch us out, I can’t reach the ejection handle”…“EJECT!” Ahhhhh I’m trying I’m trying! “EJECT!” “EJECT!” “EJECT!” “WATCH THE CANOPY!”
@gassmail115
14 күн бұрын
как только пилот катапультировался и перестал дёргать управление, самолёт вскоре сам выровнялся.....
@lesindorf-835videos
4 күн бұрын
Как только летчик катапультировался, штопор прекратился :)
@EVE101Patt
9 күн бұрын
looks like the added drag of the two missing canopies was enough to finally get it out of that flat spin. interestingly with both canopies and ejectionseats missing the COM would've been even more to the back than before (and therefor support a flat spin and hinder a nose-down attitude)
@bill7575
Ай бұрын
Curious if retracting the wings would shift the CG forward enough to allow conventional flat spin break procedure to work
@FS2K4Pilot
Ай бұрын
Hoser Satrapa actually developed such a procedure. It doesn’t move the cg forward. Rather it moves the center of pressure aft. It did require 10,000 feet of altitude at least, however.
@helpful5539
Ай бұрын
I would sure have tried that and anything else I could
@russoley8995
Ай бұрын
Wonder if putting the wings back with no power would of helped
@Jon.......
Ай бұрын
Was wondering that myself! Kill the power (idle), sweep the wings back, apply full rudder opposite the direction of rotation, maybe try adding power to same side as direction of rotation ... as a last ditch effort have the RIO eject.
@teerollings6919
25 күн бұрын
Wing configuration won’t have any effect in a flat spin, it’s the horizontal stabilizers that will stop the spinning. In most planes you would apply full opposite rudder but for a plane with twin tails like f 14 and f 15 you apply the rudder in the same direction as the spin - this increases the airflow over the horizontal stabilizers. …also cut power to the engine that’s opposite the spin and apply power to the other. …that’s assuming what I learned flying sims is correct lol.
@Jon.......
25 күн бұрын
@@teerollings6919 Cool! I was also thinking in terms of center of pressure and center of gravity moving as the wings are swept back.
@driftertank
20 күн бұрын
@@teerollings6919 I feel like, in a fully developed flat spin, increasing sweep would move the center of pressure to the rear, helping to reduce the "flat" part of the flat spin and increasing airflow over the rudders and stabs. I don't know though...just what seems intuitive to me.
@teerollings6919
19 күн бұрын
@@driftertank OK well like I said I'm repeating what I learned from flying flight sims., but those sims replicate real flight characteristics. I don't know what flight experience you have but starting your reply with "I feel like......" doesn't give a lot of confidence that you have any at all.
@agent_pilot6723
9 күн бұрын
Failed ejection… Flat spin. Maybe this is where they got inspiration to make that scene in Top Gun. RIP 🫡
@frapell
7 күн бұрын
Looks like it recovered almost at the end by itself
@masmainster
Ай бұрын
Looks like as soon as the pilot got out and stopped fiddling around trying to get out of the spin, the plane went, "Thank God he's gone, now let's straighten this thing up."
@jonathanparle8429
Ай бұрын
I suspect the airframe reaction to the upward thrust from the ejection put it's nose down just enough to eventually recover.
@ky7299
Ай бұрын
Since the engines of the F-14 are so far apart I wonder if differential thrust could be used to stop or slow down the rotation, then either the nose or a wing would drop turning it into a regular spin and perhaps get some authority over some control surface.
@SplashJohn
16 күн бұрын
The most common cause of flat spins in the F-14 was compressor stall, so once the spin started, the TF30's weren't producing enough thrust to be useful. That's why flat spins were considered unrecoverable in the 'Cat.
@SuperAgentman007
Ай бұрын
At the end part, why didn’t he stay with the aircraft because I’ve heard in a flat spin you’re supposed to reverse Rutter and pointy aircraft down and then once it starts going straight down, you slowly pull back, which you will experience a lot of g and he probably might have been able to save the aircraft. I’ve seen these kind of tests before in the past, especially early in the program where they used to fly them to the extreme purposely put them in a flat spin to see how fast they can pull out of the flat spin.
@evanmichael3153
Ай бұрын
"Talk to me, Goose!" 🤘
@dansexitstrategy5042
7 ай бұрын
RIP goose
@DPoner
Ай бұрын
Too soon
@warped-sliderule
Ай бұрын
Preflight briefing - spin risk discussion: We won't need a spin chute. If the plane spins, all we need to do is eject and the plane will recover on it's own. CHECK, no chute needed...
@urmo345
Ай бұрын
The irony: once it lost frontal weight it recovered from flat spin itself. Near future planes can still fly to home without the pilot...
@geraldocesarrodrigues8285
27 күн бұрын
Sou leigo no assunto, mas parece-me ser visível a VERSAtilidade e robustez dessa Aeronave Torpedo F-14 Gato Tom. Desceu num parafuso chato praticamente até mergulhar na água. Incrível.
@Lifeandblessings888
Ай бұрын
The CofG of fighters is further back compared to other types of aircraft. The reason is for more pitch sensitivity which is important for combat maneuverability, but that also makes them more prone to entering a spin without thrust and harder to recover. However notice the elevons all the way up as it enters the spin, and then the aircraft eventually recovers after the ejection. Clearly the pilot wasn't familiar with the spin recovery procedure.
@Andrew-13579
Ай бұрын
So, why did it exit the spin after the canopy, pilots and seats left the aircraft? Here’s some thoughts. I don’t know if any are valid. CG: With the canopy, pilots and seats gone, that moved the CG aft some amount. Perhaps enough for the drag of forward fuselage to slow the rotation? Engine thrust: Did the pilot bring the throttles to cut-off before ejecting? Was idle thrust enough to keep it in the flat spin? Did the recoil from ejection seats ( is there any?) push the nose down just enough? Was it going to recover, regardless of ejections? Maybe once into denser air? However, if the pilots had waited for that, maybe it might not have left enough altitude to pull out of the dive, nor to safely eject.
@tommyhunter1817
Ай бұрын
Goose and Maverick??
@einherz
Ай бұрын
after eject ac still spinning. however start go left and right banking, and that stop the spin. that's was looks like spin become falling leaf by latitude axis, and that's mean after ejection, aircraft become from statically unstable to very much statically unstable so, when static stability moves from negative to even more negative that's move dynamic stability to even more negative than was and that did the waving on banking, and that stop the rotation and that move aircraft out of critical aoa to nose down. so everybody in the comments was right, all that factors was moves aircraft from the spin to the normal flight. p.s. when cg moves closer to cp, aircraft had more tend to change the pattern and shortened shoulder of rotation make it possible to add the banking instability, that stop the spin in result
@Megalodon64
2 ай бұрын
You spin me round round baby round round like a Tomcat baby round round round round!
@JosepGK1
Ай бұрын
Jajajajajajajajaja !!!!
@pizzaparty-r1c
Ай бұрын
Not just the ejection, but the removal of the seats and pilots moved the CG far aft, which enabled the plane to recover.
@pyme495
Ай бұрын
Moving the CG aft is just the opposite of what you want for a stall recovery.
@pizzaparty-r1c
Ай бұрын
@@pyme495 No, clown. When already in a spin, removing weight in the front will reduce the centripetal force, moving the CG aft where the fulcrum is shorter from the giant rudders.
@elpelicanojiji
Ай бұрын
@@pizzaparty-r1c Wouldnt help, the plane has two massive spots, 1 in the middle (the folding wings system) 2 the engines. Thats the centripetal force core. The pilot weight+the ejecction system are not a determinant factor compared to those 2.
@tomjones4318
Ай бұрын
People don't realize the force on your body when you are in a spin.
@HerpaDurpVg
10 күн бұрын
It recovered due to gaining airspeed through falling, the pilot could absolutely recover after this. UNFORTUNATELY, the flat spin will probably render the pilot unconscious so when the moment comes that he can t pull out, he’s not awake to do it.
@MrQuazar
20 сағат бұрын
Похоже пилоты просто мешали самолету выйти из штопора 😂
@woronesch
Ай бұрын
Он сам вышел 😂 Как тот мотоцикл, который выбрасывает из седла наездника и едет дальше самостоятельно 😆 PS: Извините за смех, потеря техники это печально, но главное что пилот успел эвакуироваться.
@jsldj
Ай бұрын
Goose! You have to punch us out!
@AB7F9
13 күн бұрын
Anything that changes the COP would help. The ejection provided the force. Wonder if putting the wings in would've changed the COP?
@jlo7770
8 күн бұрын
I like how it recovers from the spin after the eject
@WillyPete_
10 күн бұрын
Yup, I remember married life being just as such. EJECT EJECT EJECT.
@kathyevans8013
Жыл бұрын
Recovery can be made. First action is to swing wings back, which will get the nose pointed down to pick up speed.
@valmelendez7064
11 ай бұрын
May I ask how you know this? I'm wondering if you're a pilot or have experience.
@sand.4520
8 ай бұрын
DCS is probably enough for you to be atleast 70% correct in real life also.@@valmelendez7064
@niuniuhhh
4 ай бұрын
Wings back would only cause even more angle of attack, which are even worst for the TF30s...
@SwipeLess
Ай бұрын
Did you learn this in roblox? 😂
@kathyevans8013
Ай бұрын
every pilot knows that to get out of a stall, you must push the nose down. Comic Book Guy was too busy LARPing to know this.
@rm25088
17 күн бұрын
What was the elevation? That sucker was up there, probably falling a good rate of speed.
@zambot3325
Ай бұрын
Camera person on point
@MrNismopro
24 күн бұрын
I’m not an expert in F14’s. I am an A&P technician with lots of test flight and stall tests. But I feel that once this aircraft began to spiral, if it had still been manned, would have pulled out of the spin. Almost seems that all of the pilots inputs were possibly incorrect, because shortly after they ejected, the aircraft started to correct itself. But I could be wrong, it’s just my opinion.
@jf4872
19 күн бұрын
One can counter the right rotation by applying throttle to the 'right engine' while idling the left.
@DB-uv2df
8 күн бұрын
Interesting how the jet corrected from the spin after the pilots ejected.
@brittanytaz1282
Ай бұрын
Low power vertical tail thruster would change the attitude from a flat spin with altitude to correct before the decision to punch out.
@illletmyselfout.8516
Ай бұрын
He went on to be a top gun😊
@2earache
16 күн бұрын
I mean, test flight or not…..I find this footage quite bizarre - I don’t fly, so that has to be understood - but the pilot didn’t eject for a long, long time during the course of this flat spin one which, to a degree, was visibly and relatively gentle but certainly constant. It was curious also, following his ejection, that the aircraft gradually stopped rotating on its own before coming to grief at ground zero. Would someone in the know tell me why then the pilot couldn’t somehow either ‘ride it out’ until the spiral completed (or became more controllable) or indeed ease the aircraft out of that potential stall situation. I’ve seen far worse where the plane is clearly highly unstable and subsequently unrecoverable while airborne.
@jamielancaster01
24 күн бұрын
Nose down & hard rudder to the opposite direction of spin to recover.
@dbs555
Ай бұрын
Ejection seat rocket motors providing enough opposite action/reaction forces to lower the nose and begin the spin recovery, although too low to the ground with likely two flamed out engines.
@superpapascott
Ай бұрын
I guess the pilot must have missed the training on how to possibly get out of that flat spin and save the aircraft. It looks like he held it in the flat spin. Kept the elevators in the wrong position, held the there. Had he push his nose down with engines at idle, he possibly could have recovered control, throttled up and saved the aircraft instead of having a loss.
@12345fowler
Ай бұрын
You guess wrong. It was a test flight to open the flight enveloppe. hence "no training on the aircraft" makes any sense because you first need test flight like this to know precisely what to avoid doing and design the necessary training accordingly.
@cujbaion1
28 күн бұрын
Apply the brakes. 😏 Can the prototype be trimmed manually? If not pull the wings back. 🤷🏻♂️
@yzmoto80
22 күн бұрын
A twisting 55 flat into a perfect dive…. Judges : 10.5 👏👏👏
@heinz-dietersindhoff7344
Ай бұрын
After bailout the poor F14 was straighten itself nicely, what did the pilot do wrong? I really like to know if it was pilot induced
@heinz-dietersindhoff7344
Ай бұрын
Found the answer in the other comments, pretty interesting so
@mikelee3316
7 күн бұрын
Seems that in the final 3or 4 thousand feet it becomes recoverable… don’t blame them for not hangin around that long
@ТимурГаджиев-ш7ч
Ай бұрын
А ведь после того, как они вышли, он стабилизировался и перед падением перестал вращаться. Такое ощущение, что тянули его не туда и он сотпротивлялся...
@eddiemunster8634
25 күн бұрын
What if they mounted a small rocket in the tail that they could ignite to get some forward momentum?
@SimSimon87
9 күн бұрын
didn't the aircraft self-stabilize there at the end?
@CountCraigula
Ай бұрын
It recovered itself after ejection! Perhaps sweeping the wings might have aided the recovery?
@happycanayjian1582
Ай бұрын
“This is not good, this is not good!”
@Fauxbra
19 күн бұрын
Recovered by itself just in time to lawn dart. Sweeping the wings back has no effect?
@misarthim6538
19 күн бұрын
It would make things worse as it would move the center of gravity aft
@David-lb4te
12 күн бұрын
The irony is, that the aircraft came out of the spin by itself after the pilot ejected.
@fistteam
19 күн бұрын
GOOSE…PUNCH OUT…EJECT…EJECT…EJECT!!! 😂
@sunshinecloudy
Ай бұрын
What if they had dropped the landing gear? Maybe some extra drag would slow the spin?
@jptucsonaz8503
Ай бұрын
Later, after a few of these... Someone was caught up in one and had the brilliant idea to lower the landing gear! The plane recovered out of the spin almost immediately!!! As I recall hearing about it, the only damage to the aircraft was that one of the landing gear doors got ripped off.
@marknelson5929
Ай бұрын
At the end of the day we are all subject to gravity (some call it mother nature), be it walking to the shops or flying an aircraft. It all depends on how well we can recover before we hit the 'deck' in both cases..
@mross8792
23 күн бұрын
FINALLY!....Some good 4k video!
@athgt6630
Ай бұрын
looks like the plane knew better to fly itself out of the spin than the crew lmao
@jefaisquepasser
Ай бұрын
indeed but may be linked to ejection. there probably wasnt enough altitude to recover.. and no re ignition of the engines anyway
@athgt6630
Ай бұрын
@@jefaisquepasser in my environment the guidance is, flat spin below 20000' you must eject. Given this was a test, they could try things
@evanfinch4987
Ай бұрын
better go find your a**
@anonydun82fgoog35
Ай бұрын
I bet the Navy used this video as evidence at the court martial: "see, if they had stayed with the jet only a few seconds longer, they would have been able to recover" and to try to bill them for the cost of an F-14...
@kel50pp
Ай бұрын
Lol right
@cmcimagesmedia
Ай бұрын
“Talk to me goose”, “Talk to me Goose”
@AZAce1064
Ай бұрын
So that’s what happened to Goose. All top gun references aside my condolences to the family, friends and those who knew the brave WSO who lost his life in this tragedy. Thank you for your service to those who serve❤️🇺🇸
@joerarey8496
25 күн бұрын
Wow, those ejections and lack of pilot input made it self recover before hitting the water.
@doskraut
Ай бұрын
I went to an advanced flight school in Arizona with my Cessna 172, the instructor put me in a flat spin and we recovered from it. Three times
@peekaboo1575
16 күн бұрын
If they had shut off the left engine, could the aircraft have been saved?
@JoelLessing
Ай бұрын
No rudder authority in a flat spin.
@JM-lf4ws
Ай бұрын
Not much authority...on any control!
@Mxsmanic
Ай бұрын
It has occurred to me in the past at a sudden force applied to an aircraft-such as pilot ejection-might break a flat spin. This appears to support that idea. Perhaps some sort of thrust device could be incorporated into an aircraft for this purpose, allowing a pilot to recover without ejecting. However, I suppose flat spins are too rare to justify special recovery device on most aircraft.
@alexl3731
25 күн бұрын
spin recovery parachute
@Mxsmanic
25 күн бұрын
@@alexl3731 That stops the spin but also aborts the flight.
@alexl3731
25 күн бұрын
@@Mxsmanic nope, it can be dropped so plane can fly again, google it
@Saabjock
3 күн бұрын
Looks like the #2 engine failed or loss power causing a massive nose right yaw. Look at the nozzle plume just prior to the start of the yawing moment.
@thatguy7085
Ай бұрын
Notice how it began to fly by itself at the end 😂😂😂😂
@magicsinglez
20 күн бұрын
Well, he leveled the nose. About 80 or 90% under control.
@jamescarter8311
Ай бұрын
Man, he should’ve got back in after it recovered itself!
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