Hi everyone dropping this comment for all the girlies out there, my skin is acne prone skin and i was scared to use facial razor on my face , but my dermatologist suggested me that this is the only better option you can opt for, as facial waxing makes your skin loose+ you’ll have some burns after that, threading on your cheeks or parts which are much sensitive will be the worst! But but dermaplanning can save your skin for real! I did it 2 days back touchwood i didnt get any scar and also thick hair depends on your hormones , if you have pcos/pcod they’ll obviously grow thicker but if you do not have that it’s alright, AND ALSO FACIAL HAIR ARE NORMALLLL!! But yes the beauty standards for girls are set too high but nvm? We can rock either way! So yayy! I hope this comment helps you.
@SarahSaleen
6 ай бұрын
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Does the hair grow back thicker? I’ve been shaving my face for 5 years and the hair has never grown back thicker. The thickness of your hair is determined by your hormones. Sometimes when the hair grows back after shaving, it may appear thicker because the hair was bluntly cut. Just like when you get your hair trimmed and the ends seem thicker, even though they didn’t really get thicker. Also not the same thing as professional dermaplaning. Is face shaving for everyone? No. Nothing in beauty is for literally everyone. If you grow a lot of thick hair, have sensitive skin, have active acne, face shaving may not be the best idea. However I personally have seen soo many benefits from it like helping my skincare penetrate better. I purchased these products myself. Some of these are affiliate links Cleanser 1 go.magik.ly/ml/1rpwr/ Cleansing oil amzn.to/3T9oEP4 Razor amzn.to/3ZTL8FM Cleanser 2 tinyurl.com/4wbykv8v Thermal spring water amzn.to/3YAVI3y Sheet masks tinyurl.com/yeyn96xp Ice roller amzn.to/3FdWmge Moisturizer amzn.to/3FfGHx3
@candacemackintosh6227
Жыл бұрын
Hi, I wanted to ask if your face gets red, fragile and a little irritated after shaving it. No matter what product I shave with this keeps happening to me😭
@marianaolono348
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for being very informative! Most of the influencers out there give fake information
@BeautyandColourfulTales
Жыл бұрын
So true, love the fact that you said it's not for everyone, as all skincare isn't for everyone. Putting that out there makes a huge difference. There's so many saying that whatever they do everyone else must do. Thanks for the great info!❤
@diey96
Жыл бұрын
so true, my mother use razor to shaved her facial hair for years and the facial hair grew kinda blonde and no thick hair, she use the type of razor that man usually use because she said that kind of razor is easier to use😆
@sweetvanillalatte
Жыл бұрын
Hair growing thicker if you shave it is a myth. When you shave hair on your legs, which is thicker than the ones on your face, you might feel like its growing back thicker, but it really isn't. It only seems like it's growing thicker because when you shave them and they grow back, the tips, which is thinner than the bottom part of the hair has been cut off, and the blunt bits are showing on your skin, which gives it a thicker looking feel.
@purple4156
2 ай бұрын
You’re like the prettiest girl I’ve ever seen omg
@Shae2516
10 ай бұрын
That's a great idea to incorporate an oil cleanser. I'm definitely going to try this out
@anshikagupta2132
Жыл бұрын
wow your eye lashes are awesome....❣️
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🥺❤️
@ArabellaSpencer
Жыл бұрын
I'm not even kidding I'd die to have a clear skin like yours damn you're prettyy af🥺💗pls share your secrets?how did you got clear skin?
@salsadip7453
Жыл бұрын
She uses tretinoin (in my country has to be prescribed by a dermatologist as it’s very potent anti acne substance) + hydrating her skin and using effective products Drinking enough, clean sheets, healthy eating My only cause of pimples is when I’m stressed out, otherwise my skin looks similar to hers
@hobahobaring
Жыл бұрын
@@salsadip7453 same, I only get like random little bumps on my forehead because of stress, at first I thought it happens because of pillowcase but after removing the case every 2 days, it didn't worked.
@naikotijhansi
15 күн бұрын
Mam does shaving makes skin darker? Hope you suggest 😊
@insomnia_eh
Жыл бұрын
Pls do a skincare routine, you’re pretty
@llomiril
Жыл бұрын
you shouldn’t ask someone who is shaving their face with cleansing oil their routine
@sumari1471
Жыл бұрын
@@llomiril why exactly?
@VanessaNeamtu
Жыл бұрын
Hey Sarah, I am extremely sorry for the harmful comment that I left on one of your shorts. I realize that my comment was rude and disrespectful towards you, and I will refrain from making comments like that ever again to anyone. I hope you can forgive me and I hope you have a good day.
@VanessaNeamtu
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your content, I love your work, and I think you're amazing, I am so sorry for what I said, I hope you can forgive me Sarah. ❤
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Hey doll. It’s totally fine, don’t worry about it at all. I usually don’t pay attention to comments like that, I just sometimes don’t understand the point of them. But it says a lot about you to comment this afterwards, in a good way.. and thank you so much. Appreciate you ❤️❤️
@j_ffff
6 ай бұрын
what did u say
@user-qk2th5gr3d
Жыл бұрын
you're so pretty and the headband you're using is so cute 😍
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Thank you love ❤️❤️
@user-qk2th5gr3d
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahSaleen you're welcome 🥰
@Only_k-pop_1
9 ай бұрын
Your skin is beautiful and clean ❤
@heycrystals
Жыл бұрын
That One Business Owner: “UsEeE CoOonToUuR cUubEee 😂
@pastrie1
Жыл бұрын
Lol yeah her whole personality is contour cube
@melissalayton213
Жыл бұрын
Can you please tell us what razors you use? I'm trying to find one that has the least impact on the environment.
@shreyaaashree
5 ай бұрын
That's why I reuse my razor and before using I keep it in boiling hot soap water for 10 min and rinse it will cool water, because I don't want to use new razor after every couple of use, it's harmful for the environment! Imagine how much waste you are going to accumulate in a year or two!
@jh5580
Жыл бұрын
How do you manage to maintain your facial hair throughout the week since you have pcos, did you get laser, as mine grows quite quick, thanks xx
@cricketulagam991
9 ай бұрын
Your eyes looks soo pretty can tell how is it
@f3042
Жыл бұрын
I do this every 2 weeks! My skin looks radiant afterwards. I use almond oil when shaving
@staygold7681
Жыл бұрын
Is the hair as thick as a cactus?
@Brenduh03
11 ай бұрын
😂😂 no it grows back normal
@abhijeetbishoyi9501
8 ай бұрын
She's so pretty 😮
@USHARANI-yh7bt
Жыл бұрын
You are blessed with such a wonderful lashes! Plz share ur secret for such a thick lashes
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Hi doll! Partially genetics, and then I stopped wearing water proof mascara, I stopped curling them, I wear makeup maybe once a week, I always use a cleaning oil if I have makeup so I’m never tugging on them, and for lash serum I use scorolash (it seems to be hit or miss for people but I like it because it’s hormone free).. since all of these things my lashes have become very healthy, with far less shedding
@USHARANI-yh7bt
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahSaleen Thanku very much mam
@fatma-zo5yf
Жыл бұрын
So pretty and shiny 😍😍
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
❤️❤️🫶🏼
@mobilestyles4832
5 ай бұрын
What a relaxing #facialsession! We love it.
@hafsa4840
Жыл бұрын
i love your eyelashes 💘
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Thank you doll 😘😘
@hafsa4840
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahSaleen 💟
@tea-chip-cookies
Жыл бұрын
I thread my whole face and put ice cubes on it afterwards to cool it down.
@cmdubbeling
Жыл бұрын
what razor did you use?
@nailaobaid8186
Жыл бұрын
What razors did you used in your video.?
@lena-gk4vb
5 ай бұрын
Never seen such beautiful eyes
@JM-Cosmeticsfactory
6 ай бұрын
انواع مختلفی از مواد برس اصلاح وجود دارد. ما با مواد اولیه برای برس های اصلاح مواد مختلف سروکار داریم و نمونه های آزمایشی داریم
@rimshashamim2926
4 ай бұрын
Your eyes is so stunning ❤
@Jimin-o1h
8 ай бұрын
Suggest korean facewash for oily sensitive skin..which create lather fragrance free..should not leave any thin film behind
@lisx.x
5 ай бұрын
Do you use anything for dark circles? Girl your skin is to die for😭
@SarahSaleen
5 ай бұрын
Thank you 🥺.. yes! I use retinol eye creams at night- right now I like the dr Dennis gross one.it has ferulic, which is so brightening for me too. I’m not prone to milia so often at night I use a thin layer of cere ve under my eyes to make sure I definitely don’t wake up with dry under eyes. In the am I use my entire skincare routine under my eyes too. (Vitamin c, dark spot serum, hydrating toners) it’s a short video called, estheticians am skincare Also lymphatic drainage and guasha helps with puffy eyes. Products with caffine also help with puffiness and making me looks more awake 🤍
@Nettiezam3364
Жыл бұрын
Can you list the products
@NehaSharma-tp9xt
Жыл бұрын
I thought I’d get a zoomed in version of this too
@priyotaislam9544
Ай бұрын
Wow so pretty! 😍😍😍😍 How many times do you shave in a month?? Or in weeks?
@SarahSaleen
Ай бұрын
As thank you 🤍 2x a month 🤍🤍
@cookiemonsterxxo007
8 ай бұрын
How do you incorporate retinol while doing this once a week? Any tips please xxx
@elvireberben6068
6 ай бұрын
Use another moisteriser after shaving
@VonBankx
27 күн бұрын
Your so beautiful 😍
@NueskinOfficial
3 ай бұрын
❤
@lindsaymarie1984
Жыл бұрын
I been shaving my face for about a year now & I'm so glad I did it ❤
@kiara7749
Жыл бұрын
None of the products u have suggested is available in India nor is there any shipment tooo
@Jay-us8ko
Жыл бұрын
Do you feel like when you use the blade on your face Does your hair grow back thicker
@اسلامانتيكانتيك
Жыл бұрын
من يمر من هنا يصلي على النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم تكون حسنه جااااااريه ص
@nouryesmine2206
Жыл бұрын
صلي الله عليه وسلم
@Mariyum-qd7vq
Жыл бұрын
So pretty 😍❣️❣️❣️
@KittynaJ-te9xm
4 ай бұрын
How pretty
@minakshiranjan8100
4 ай бұрын
Is it ur real lower lash or u applied kajal😮❤its just so gorgeous
@SarahSaleen
4 ай бұрын
It’s real! I just grow a lot lot of black hair on my lower lash line and there’s probably some pigmentation. 🤍🤍
@minakshiranjan8100
4 ай бұрын
@@SarahSaleen it looks so gorgeous n attractive plzz share some tips with us too❤️❤️
@Gloria_Chav
2 ай бұрын
Do you have links to your products? I have no idea what oil and mask brands to use after
@Ritikaaa0
Жыл бұрын
Omfggg that beautifullll skinnnn!! PS- im jealous 🥹
@rebeccaoraha5673
Жыл бұрын
I’ve always been very weary and questioned the whole face shaving thing. As EVERHTHING is there for a reason! Tiny very thin fluff type hair on the face isn’t there just because lol it’s to prevent dust and dirts and oils etc from entering the pores. It’s a protection. Same just like nose hairs! They’re there to catch any dusts etc! And the same type of hairs on the face we have in ears aswell.. once again, same reason. 👍
@hauntedbykpop7394
Жыл бұрын
I like your explanation very much. I was thinking of doing the shaving but after seeing your comment, I won't be doing it anymore. Thanks
@broski-il7tn
Жыл бұрын
it will enter your pores anyway
@glowsack2909
Жыл бұрын
Hii, quick question: Did you start shaving once a week right away? Or did you begin gradually (e.g. once a month)?
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
I started once a month! I recently started 1x a week actually.
@m.younis9849
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahSaleen how do you incorporate AHAs/BHAs throughout the week please? TIA
@Sophiaandfitness
Жыл бұрын
@@m.younis9849 try skin cycling it’s works amazing for trying to try new products in your skin care
@suchicherala3349
Жыл бұрын
Razor link please
@Nailz_ByRosa
2 ай бұрын
What products do u use ? I have oily skin
@E.viviana
Жыл бұрын
❤ 🔥
@mermaid000pranu
Жыл бұрын
I tried shaving once. It gave me such bad bumps that stayed on for weeks ..
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry that happened girl! Skin type, skin sensitivity, technique, products used can all play a part in results. It’s definitely not something for everyone.
@angelael3803
4 ай бұрын
What will we do with all this hair when we will be old ????
@traciepenelope
Жыл бұрын
Can you please tell me where you bought the razor for your face?
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
I linked everything in the pinned comment ❤️❤️
@aryakapoor4964
Жыл бұрын
On this channel only because you are the first woman I have seen who literally nails off that moisturizer look ....like whatever kind of oil based product you use, for some reason it looks really pretty on you. Maybe it's your magic skincare.
@AliHassan-sj3qh
Жыл бұрын
Mam ! I m much worried how to easily root up facial hair wevever i want...u r shaving so i want to ask,will shaving facial hair make them thick,or fat ,or will it cause more growth of facial hair bcz if shaving?
@shaikhbushrax
Жыл бұрын
YOU'REEEEEEE LOVEEEEEEEE I HAVE THE WORST ACNE CAN YOU PLZ RECOMMEND ME A LOW BUDGET PRODUCTS SO THAT I CAN GET RID OUT OF IT
@Esmeb89547
Жыл бұрын
Cerave
@priyatiwari9937
8 ай бұрын
hey you are so beautiful, uh've got so beautiful eyes❤️❤️ did u have your lashes so thick and dense since birth?
@SarahSaleen
8 ай бұрын
No not like this. I’ve have thick black hair naturally of course, but I often get told in person that they look fake now and it’s definitely because I’ve been using lash serums for years.. Lilash is my favorite right now. It’s hormone free .. it’s an investment but I feel it just worked so fast on me .. I also take nutrafol and msm so they may have affected my lashes too
@meenalbhatia800
Жыл бұрын
I just did a little patch test a day before for face shaving and The way my skin looks so much brighter. I wish I did it before😶
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Yess For the right person it can be such a helpful part of the skincare routine! Far more benefits than just removing hair ❤️
@supposedlyhuman
Жыл бұрын
How do you do a patch test for shaving? I am curious. Is it that you shave a small part of face?
@Khushh27
7 ай бұрын
Hey can I shave my face during skin peeling cause by tretinoin
@1Immortalmortal
Жыл бұрын
How do you do the threading? Does it hurt?
@mariammaqsood3160
Жыл бұрын
Sarah love your videos❤❤❤❤ I have been shaving my upper lip for past 1 year N I have noticed my upper lip area is slightly green 😢😢 like greenish shade What to dooo What to dooo ???
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Hi doll this can happen when hair is a bit darker especially at the upper lip. basically hair that is below the surface of your skin. I prefer to thread certain areas of my face where the hair underneath can be more noticeable, like my upper lip.
@Zancity6666
Жыл бұрын
Hey Mariam i reccoemend waxing or threading or anything which removes the hair from the root! The green is from hair growing underneath the skin
@mariammaqsood3160
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Sarah ❤️❤️❤️
@mariammaqsood3160
Жыл бұрын
@@Zancity6666 thank you
@Kitty_801
9 ай бұрын
Is face shave is safe? Please tell me im very scared to shave my face ☹️
@TheeeRealChanel
4 ай бұрын
This makes me want to shave my face now 🥹
@piamoltzau4382
Жыл бұрын
sollte ich auch mal ausprobieren-vor oder nach dem kochend heissem Wasser
@kolo4336
Жыл бұрын
Dream skin
@SaraKhan-rd7fp
Жыл бұрын
Hey my skin is feeling dull snd dehydrated these day like from past 3 to 4 month i have dark spots too suggest me something
@Bubbles833
Жыл бұрын
Try these products called the ordinary they have products you can use and it shows in description what all of them are for and which ones to take separately and together
@rekhabansfore4200
2 ай бұрын
Razor name plzzzz❤
@maureenbennett809
6 ай бұрын
Great!😁
@iraphtalia5343
Жыл бұрын
Hey!! Can I use pond's face wash !??for regular use .is that good to b use I am so confused about that? Can u plz tell me about that??
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Which one? Is it the original cold cream for removing makeup? That one’s fine. Fragrance free version
@iraphtalia5343
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahSaleen No I am not talking about cold cream for makeup remove ,generally some ppl use cleanser when they wash their face before applying sunscreen , so instead of cleanser I use pond's face wash 🧼 , 🤌🌷🌷
@Neha-verma635
Жыл бұрын
😊😊😊
@kazzyjanelle9822
11 ай бұрын
hello, what shaver do you use?
@maymah7
Жыл бұрын
heyy, I love your reels & videos. They’re super informative. Could you tell me how many times a week you use tretinoin in your skincare routine? & what %? and do you take gaps between your shaving session & tretinoin? if yes then how long is the gap? cus, shaving is already a form of exfoliation & if we apply tretinoin after 1-2 days of shaving wouldn’t it cause purging?
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Hi! So I actually don’t experience irritation or purging with my tret anymore so I just don’t use tret the day I’m shaving my face, and resume the next day. If you’re still getting used to tret I’d skip a day or two after shaving your face too. I use tret everyday, besides the nights I shave my face, or if my skin is compromised for some reason like the cold weather. I use .05 Thank you so much darling ❤️❤️
@PiXie232
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahSaleen hey there! So I have a question to add to that.. is there a particular reason why you skip your tret on nights that you shave? Or do you just feel like your skin is best when you do it like that? Because I didn’t realize that you shouldn’t shave on days that you use tret, and I have been doing it (shaving) every week since I started on it almost 7 months ago, with no issues. If I don’t have any issues, should I still consider not using it on days I shave? Thanks you beautiful!!💕🌸✨
@Adorr_Wonyy
11 ай бұрын
Posay 🥺💅😂😍😍😍
@yam4738
9 ай бұрын
Girl😍
@haydenkishayinew739
4 ай бұрын
Wow your skin looks perfecto , if women took care like you .. they wouldnt be out there hating other women because of there beauty. But nice video 👍
@forest_maiden
4 ай бұрын
That’s a very random assumption to make. I don’t know any women that hate other women “for their beauty”. But taking care of your skin is not what is going to change that. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but also many women don’t like certain things about them, like me I hate my nose and chin, so I think I am ugly and every woman is beautiful. The fact that you think it is just about skincare is very simple minded. Not everyone is blessed with amazing looks like the girl in this video.
@haydenkishayinew739
4 ай бұрын
@@forest_maiden Things will get better. Just have to keep going with your skincare.. it's all about the right products that fulfill your skins needs + facial exercises and dieting .. maybe even exercise too every once in awhile .. and within 6 months youl see a good change. I don't think anyone is actually blessed.. it's just that they take good care of themselves. Some have a sharp jaw and good bone structure. But their eye brows and skin make them feel insecure. And other there skin is Clear and eye brows are good but their face is too wide or long and skinny. .. it's all about making your imperfections.. into perfections. I had to do it myself . It took awhile of being insecure whilst following my skincare routine and facial exercises + diet.. But I got there. And I'm ok now .. once you make it.. you won't want to talk to people that ignored you because of your looks. Happened to me.
@canseeitinureyesverytimeublink
10 ай бұрын
Is it a new razor everytime or how do you clean it?
@SarahSaleen
10 ай бұрын
New razor every time. You can buy ones that can be reused and I don’t recommend it personally for hygiene and safety reasons.
@nadirasiddiqui9204
Жыл бұрын
Hii...can u plzz tell me how to avoid post razor bumps on face....i always hv small tiny bumps or acne on my face post razor...😢
@stevengonzalez9101
5 ай бұрын
How do you cleanse your face without water😮
@lulyb3214
Жыл бұрын
What sheet mask do you use ?
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
I think this was the medicube cica masks. They are the best. They have a very light weight calming cica serum that I love for sensitive and acne prone skin.
@tallulahbrown5864
Жыл бұрын
I have a question. Can I use micellar water instead of a cleansing balm or oil?
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
To shave your face with? I guess you can use micellar water, I mean it’s essentially soapy water anyway but it won’t give the same slip or effect as the oil cleanser.. if you want to stay away from something oil based you could also try layer of a creamy cleanser.
@tallulahbrown5864
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahSaleen I mean to remove makeup.
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Oh 😂.. I thought you meant in reference to how I used it in the video 😅.. yes you can definitely use micellar water
@tallulahbrown5864
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahSaleen thanks for the reply
@margotrobbie8582
Жыл бұрын
How u do ur eyebrows??
@adinadin6222
Жыл бұрын
why not try to lazer treatment 🙂? shaving is make the hair grow bigger and thicker
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
No my hair growth is the same. Idk maybe I’ll laser it eventually I don’t really want take that many breaks with my Tretinoin right now.
@neirkarabulut994
11 ай бұрын
What oil?
@jenell6463
3 ай бұрын
What is that razor?
@SarahSaleen
3 ай бұрын
Tweezerman face razors .. I like shisedo too 🤍
@RagingBlunt420
Жыл бұрын
Teach me how to thread at home PLEASEEEEEEE
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
I have a couple videos on it if you look back.. but it’s all just practice ❤️❤️
@alaasalah1899
Жыл бұрын
The eyes😩😩😩
@JyotiKumari-ol7dl
Жыл бұрын
Aapne upr lips isse kyu nhi kiye thread se kyukiye
@fptmxllouie
Жыл бұрын
this is cool, but how do we shave when we have a little pimple on our face, or perhaps the face is kinda 'bumpy'? is it okay if we still do it anyway?
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
If you’re face is bumpy all over because of acne, I’d avoid it because face shaving can spread bacteria. But If I just have a little pimple, I go around it
@Rakhivishwakarma101
6 ай бұрын
Please aap mujha bhaut Razer use kara ka bad hair thik or Balck aat hai kay please reply me 🙏🙏😥
@Elizabeth912-v6o
5 ай бұрын
What is threading your face????
@SarahSaleen
5 ай бұрын
It’s just a method of removing hair from the root rather than cutting it at the surface of the skin,
@abidasaltanat1892
Ай бұрын
Does i shave my face weakly
@Red_xxo
4 ай бұрын
Hey bestie my upper lips hair is thick and idk if I should use face razor for that will it appears thicker?
@SarahSaleen
4 ай бұрын
Hiii! 🤍🤍I like to thread any thick hairs (that’s what I always do first) But yes Any thick hair I would remove properly from the root so you don’t see the darkness from from the hair underneath the skin 🤍
@aminamimi802
8 ай бұрын
كياسة هي الصح
@eli-bt1rg
Жыл бұрын
Hey I wanna start shaving but I’m scared cause I have a few pimples also can I use aloe Vera gel ?
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
I’ve never shaved with aloe but I know it can be a shaving cream alternative, if you have acne I would avoid going over those areas. You could also shave a little area and see how that goes first
@eli-bt1rg
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahSaleen okay thanks
@user-et7kp
6 ай бұрын
lash tutorial? do you use a lash serum
@maymunasrijoni7512
Жыл бұрын
Heyy I'm 17 years old And I have so many facial hair can I shave my face?
@justauthentic1561
Жыл бұрын
If we shave our face then does that mean we don't have to use chemical exfoliators?
@angelabutler2548
8 ай бұрын
What’s your the sheet mask?
@Helloo17.
Жыл бұрын
Hi I have a question. I’m kinda curious if you can get the strawberry leg affect on your face too after shaving it. It happened to my legs and so now I’m a bit hesitant on whether to shave my face. Thank you.
@SarahSaleen
Жыл бұрын
Depends on your hair. If you grow thick hair on your face I wouldn’t shave your face because then you’re more likely to get that affect. Face shaving works best with peach fuzz
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