The fact a video like this even needs to exist means the standards body has failed.
@thefatcatgarfield
Жыл бұрын
So, basically, HDMI followed exact USB footstep with confusing naming scheme. Talk about corporate greed. Thank you, Rtings, for always informing us with details so that we can make our purchases smarter.
@stevenwilliams5546
Жыл бұрын
Huh, I never realized how common this issue is, and the fact that 2.0 vs 2.1 is loosely interchanged is problematic. Thanks for the great work you guys do and great quality video!
@richmahogany1710
Жыл бұрын
It's pretty amazing that there's organizations dedicated to naming stuff like this, USB, etc. and they somehow manage to get worse every year at conveying the same information.
@kevinb4713
Жыл бұрын
Personally I think it should it should be a law for all TV Company's to put the ACTUAL specifications on every box, like the actual SCREEN refresh rate, panel color bitrate, all supported resolutions, REAL FULL SCREEN max Brightness, supported HDR formats, actual RGB range for each mode, which type of backlight, which type of display panel, and VRR type. I mean it isnt that hard of a thing to implement. Just create an information checklist label that can be stickered or printed on each box. Drives me crazy when I see a tv that says it's "Mini LED" and "120HZ Motion Rate" inferring that is what type of screen it is when there still, to the best of my knowledge, has NEVER BEEN AN ACTUAL "Micro LED" home-consumer tv produced and sold. They use these confusing and misleading or even trademarked terms that resemble something else all together
@kevinb4713
Жыл бұрын
@stryfetc1 Yeah yeah I know. Sad part is it would prbably INCREASE profits for all the TV manufacturers
@Real_American_DAD
Жыл бұрын
I'm NOT usually a fan of MORE laws but, I AGREE It SHOULD BE required that a company is FULLY TRANSPARENT WITH the public about what features it's product supports !!!!
@0verfiend
Жыл бұрын
Tell that to the monopoly everyone supports
@puddleduckist
Жыл бұрын
Crazy that manufacturers get away with this. Never ran into this issue but I'm glad your sharing this information, very helpful for many folks!
@ProjectswAlex
Жыл бұрын
You guys do an awesome service. Your reviews helped me with my last TV purchase 2 years ago and I still really love that TV. Retiring a "certification" sounds like a load of bull. I wouldn't doubt there was an under the table deal for this nonsense.
@madpistol
Жыл бұрын
As the saying goes... "If it looks too good to be true, it is." Check the specs and make sure HDMI 2.1 w/ 4K120 is listed.
@normalguycap
Жыл бұрын
Damn, official certification basically allows flat out lying at this point. Thank you so much for clarifying!
@TheHOOfan1
Жыл бұрын
USB official certification is even worse. I mean, the entire reason they have certification is to stop this crap.
@bruiserfox2068
Жыл бұрын
Hi guys. Greetings from Australia. 🇦🇺 Thx so much for publishing this unbelievable situation on your channel. I first learnt of it from other reviewers some time ago but my experience is that very few consumers realise the consequences, nor are they aware of the extra knowledge and care they are now responsible for when buying a TV. Plainly it opens the door for confusion and deception. 👎 Having recently bought a TV my experience was that the sales assistant, brand sales rep nor the brand tech support team had any idea, ( well hopefully they didn't but I'm not sure. ) It is a complete mystery to most consumers as to how the HDMI Licencing Organisation came to this decision, ( I am not aware of any justification being published, ) but most would agree that it lacks solid logic and is very ill-advised. 🤯 The old system with HDMI 1.4B, 2.0 and 2.1 seemed to work well and " when it ain't broke, don't fix it". Cheers. 🍻
@normalguycap
Жыл бұрын
I love informative videos like this! Thank you for making one. If you can come up with more, they would be most helpful. It's impossible to be a good consumer with all sorts of crazy information or misinformation out there.
@monkeymenso
Жыл бұрын
Thank you guys, I bought the ks8000 samsung tv a long time ago because of your review, and I am very happy with the tv; it is 2022 and it looks better that some newer models.
@maperez12
Жыл бұрын
Yes, that TV is better than the entire 2022/2021 Samsung lineup up to the Q80 series. Obviously it won’t have the newest feature, but image quality wise you have a great TV.
@irish7611
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up ….. such a sham. I’ll definitely do my research before purchase :)
@LT1210
Жыл бұрын
Seems like the tv manufacturers greased the right palms to be able to mislead consumers without consequence. Welcome to America!
@valdaviper1
Жыл бұрын
Interesting that this video comes out this week. After splurging for an LG C2 and Samsung HWQ930b(thanks Rtings!) for my PS5, I grabbed a few 2.1 HDMI cables on cyber Monday from Amazon. While they had 15k great reviews it wasn’t until I bothered reading the 1 star reviews that I found that not all the Amazon cables supported 48 gbps and 120hz rates. Some even stated they ruined their tv with knockoff hdmi or cat8 cables. What a joke that they can get away with false advertising on such a basic thing.
@aithney
8 ай бұрын
Thank you for your hard work. I bought a new OLED couple weeks ago and your website was a godsend. I ended up going with LG C3 because of 4x HDMI 2.1 ports + Dolby Vision.
@capt2278
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, as always.. thank you
@ivanjovanovic7118
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, agree and we have an interesting notice: we are paying as needed for the best possible visuals but when my LG 120hz with HDMI 2.1 2021 model (all checks work on Xbox Series X) in low latency mode turn of some picture processing and it is noticable worse to look. Why no one mention it as everyone just playing fast competitive multiplayer quickies. We want slow detailed playing with enjoying in our expensive TV picture with the best possible visuals without any compromise and what we get - many advanced options turned of with auto low latency mode and VRR so no NO thanks we are going for the best possible visuals
@NeverSainted
Жыл бұрын
I’m going to guess a lot of money was thrown at the HDMI licensing board by shady tv manufacturers to have the 2.0 standard retired specifically so they could get away with labeling cheap TV’s as HDMI 2.1 compliant.
@xplaur
Жыл бұрын
That's not confusion, that's lying!
@Jay-O_Carlow
Ай бұрын
Thank You So Much!! i just found your channel , And i love your mission set To help the General public understand wgat we need or dont , what is a must have & what is not needed and overkill etc etc This is an amazing channel just subbed thanks for your work i really Appreachaite it
@wkypa_6o6pa
Жыл бұрын
That's an absolutely brilliant message you make. Someone needs to create and maintain a database enumerating TVs, and what they are capable off. That can be YOU! Thank you for your (hard) work. UPDATE: Jesus cries. You are already there! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
@DeaconGoss
Жыл бұрын
That's why when I'm interested in a tv, I first check rtings to see if it's meeting all the requirements I'm looking for.
@hawkmoon7930
Жыл бұрын
RTINGS is the only source i trust for display device information
@daviddougher8637
Жыл бұрын
Easy solution///buy a LG OLED ///now you have the best gaming tv on the market.......period
@Viviansen
Жыл бұрын
It's already difficult to choose a tv without this bulls**t, it's incredible how unfair this process is becoming. I think here we got something not only unfair but also not legal.
@Xilent1
Жыл бұрын
Hell! They don't tell you whats in your food. You think they going to tell us whats in our TVs? Great video
@UncleSev
Жыл бұрын
Selling a TV with fake 2.1 should be illegal. It's false advertising
@d.t.1470
Жыл бұрын
Shame on the HDMI Licensing Board. Beat up on them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And don't relent. The more this board can be embarrassed as a feckless industry group, the less likely they will try to pull this off again
@Chris-de6rm
Жыл бұрын
I think this issue needs addressing and it is commendable given that 95% of review publications fail to mention this issue. I also know from person experience that even with high-end gaming TVs there remains widespread compatibility issues as regards consoles, particularly the Xbox Series.
@robertlawrence9000
Жыл бұрын
Great info. I really wish you guys did more videos and maybe even some longer ones. I enjoy your content, especially on tv reviews.
@RTINGSdotcom
Жыл бұрын
We’re hoping to start posting more frequently in the new year, so stay tuned!
@gameshark427
Жыл бұрын
That's when you grab that return slip & head straight back to the purchasing store & return that TV !! Full refund!!
@chevytapia
Жыл бұрын
I hope this helps people. I really scummy for hdmi certification to do this.
@whiskeyomega
Жыл бұрын
Its funny that my QN700B from Samsung was advertised as not supporting 4K120hz as its 8K60hz however it does support both. Maybe a way of getting people just to buy the QN800B ?
@madpistol
Жыл бұрын
Possibly. Samsung also upgraded my old Q90R to where HDMI 4 does 4K120 w/ HDR and VRR on the PS5, so it's very possible.
@we8463
Жыл бұрын
Yes they need to keep these manufacturers honest!
@jpod
Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the info. Disheartening marketing, I bought a new tv with HDMI 2.1 in mind for sure
@sabishiihito
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of USB-IF and their nonsense with the USB 3.x nomenclature, but is somehow actually *worse*
@DIYDaveOK
Жыл бұрын
You know, time was when you knowingly sold something by lying about its features, it was called "fraud." That used to be illegal. Ahhh, the good old days....
@KayvonJavid
Жыл бұрын
What is the point about compliance if it means nothing?
@theautoman22
5 ай бұрын
Typical of electronics companies, hype some new tech but don't actually put into the devices because that would cost them more $ so just rip us off with mislabeling.
@Dmitrys1961
Жыл бұрын
Marketing is our all.)) Now HDMI 2.1 mean's nothing.
@MrLutijen
Жыл бұрын
An organised consumer protection group needs to take HDMI Licensing Administrator and companies behind it to court, to be forced by judge to publish a robust specification and marketing guidelines that can be easily understood by consumers. Current situation is untenable and embarrassing.
@gusgyn
Жыл бұрын
These new name schemes sucks, they did same thing with USB4. Allow manufacturers to claim they are USB4 or HDMI 2.1 while supporting just a subset of all the features it can have. How to fix this?
@s.morris4099
Жыл бұрын
Unbelievable... who on earth thought this was possible to get away with. Even some HDMI cables come with a certified 48 bandwidth. So the manufacturer's are not having to certify the TV or Monitor existence of the parts they claim to have. This should be illegal and the certification should be reinstated immediately.
@Roeark
Жыл бұрын
They need to reinstate the requirement. Consumers cannot trust any manufacturer now and the HDMI board has trashed its credibility.
@HowYouMove
4 ай бұрын
I am glad that I had seen this video because Vizio just came out with a newly released model tv (V4K50M-08) that sells at Walmart for $268 & it’s supposed to support 2.1 but I didn’t buy it so I wanted to know if you can do a review on the tv & test out the HDMI 2.1 with a dvd player & a PS5 to see if it really works? I am not a gamer but I still would like to have a decent tv that is no more than $300
@Nettechnologist
Жыл бұрын
This was the stupidest move by the hdmi standards body. Of course the manufacturer’s marketing dept we’re going to use this flaw
@mitchell7308
Жыл бұрын
I contacted hisense & was told that the U7G 55” Supports VRR & 2.1 for both consoles. I was Lied to by hisense!!! VRR is supposed to works on series x according to users (haven’t tried it yet) & not my PS5. I SPENT an extra 150 just for VRR & it doesn’t work on my preferred console. It’s an insanely good picture and I choose fidelity over performance. I do hope when the standard fidelity is 60 f/sec that it can handle it or it’s time to replace our TV!!!😤
@michaelwyckoff7593
Жыл бұрын
Good question people might decide to sue TV manufacturers about 2.1 support.
@PsychopathicCake
Жыл бұрын
There’s so much confusion with this…I hear that hdmi 2.1 is backwards compatible with hdmi 2.0…I have a Samsung NU55MU8500 sit’s 4K@60Hz. So I’m assuming that it’s only capable of hdmi 2.0 from what you’re saying.
@curbsidetech
Жыл бұрын
It should be clear for the consumer .
@marvinabugov4579
Жыл бұрын
Way to go! . . . Awesome focus.
@lahmyaj
Жыл бұрын
Love your work 👏🏻 How do we as consumers stop these technical standards from bastardising their versioning systems? Both USB IF and HDMI Forum have done this and they’re both probably the most common technical standards discussed and used nowadays. RTINGS could come up with a specification tick system but these things have to be licensed by manufacturers and they won’t do that because the confusion benefits them (ok so maybe one or two good manufacturers may be willing to pay doe these stickers/certifications but the point is not all would). Lol I hate to say it (coz I like to lean Libertarian on most matters) but this is where someone like the European Union comes in and just mandates a certification system lol but that would make each TV cost more and might only help EU consumers.
@BokuPower
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video!
@SchecterMongoose
Жыл бұрын
Bought an "HDMI 2.1 Certified" cable from Amazon. It came and I realized since the "8K" logo was a sticker (in the pics it was printed on) that the claimed bandwidth was probably bs. Imagine that, I plug into my 4k device and it wasn't supported. Amazon's response was to take down my review calling the cable a scam (and I was 100% correct). Don't buy cables from amazon. Most are not what they say. Buy them in person and have someone show you they work on the highest res TV in the store; especially if it's a $50+ cable.
@justdev8965
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that false advertising is illegal. The prosecutors of today do not do their jobs,... or they are taking bribes from these criminal corporations.
@Elbsmy
Жыл бұрын
Ive got Sades Erebus M60 and it's written on the box that it supports HDMI 2.1; however the PS5 says that my TV doesn't support vrr. If this is not fraud, I don't know what is! And yes I'm using the ps5 cable and done all the settings but still no vrr
@DEVILTAZ35
Жыл бұрын
i don't have sympathy for people that don't do research before buying a new TV. There are plenty of channels dedicated to advising about new tv's so there really is no excuse. You should cover lack of sound output options many new TV's have today though as that is far more confusing dependant on the type of amplifier or sound bar you intend to use.
@homeinmyhead
Жыл бұрын
This was why it took me so long to upgrade my 10 year old HD tv lol I saw the market for 4K uhd tvs go for a real good price but they truly don’t support 4K, was able to snag a Samsung QLED with true 2.1 for a good price so glad I did that and did my research lol
@jeanp.5929
Жыл бұрын
I didn't know about any of this. I def lucked out when I bought the Sony X90J (even with its software issues).
@hano5277
Жыл бұрын
Series x and PS5 don't even have full hdmi2.1 lol so it's a major issue across the board. They have gimped data rates aka not true 2.1
@thelonewolf666
7 ай бұрын
i printed a new HDMI 2.4 label it works for hdmi 2.1 fine now, although anything in 8k is a fairytale
@cavalry624
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing these. Keep up the great work.
@mikejohnson8391
Жыл бұрын
Have expectations for there slated flagship QD-OLED slated for this year supposed offer wide range gaming Dolby gaming and HDR gaming at 120hz with true native 4k support and rumor support IMAX tech. Are we being lied to again not bothering with tv your gaming system which support such things?
@xmaverickhunterkx
Жыл бұрын
HDMI went USB on us.
@spalace7919
Жыл бұрын
How does a person check if the TV's labeled HDMI 2.1 ports are actually that? Also, great content but you didn't mention what companies advertise 2.1 that aren't 2.1. List them please.
@RTINGSdotcom
Жыл бұрын
Our experts are happy to answer your questions via the forums on our website! www.rtings.com/forums
@Anti-Aids
Жыл бұрын
Hey RTINGS! Love your content! 🙂 I have a burning question that needs a definitive and confident answer. If I intend to split my PS5s signal between an 4k 60hz TV, and a 1440p 120hz monitor (sometimes I wanna play spiderman/GT7 on TV vs competitive shooters on the monitor for fps)...my assumption is an HDMI splitter will create some additional unwanted input lag. Is this true? If so, is there a way to avoid all additional lag and still split the signal? Thanks in advance!!!
@richmahogany1710
Жыл бұрын
I usually have to watch some videos from a channel first before I decide whether or not to subscribe. When I heard rtings had a channel I was able to skip right to the subscribe.
@WiiNV
Жыл бұрын
Consumer's should file a Class action suit against HDMI licensing authority!
@anuragbishnoi3208
Жыл бұрын
please review LG 27GR75Q
@RTINGSdotcom
Жыл бұрын
We’ll definitely consider it if there’s enough user interest at any point!
@BudShep
Жыл бұрын
Great PSA. Unbelievable they get to claim 2.1 when it doesn't support 48GB. Wow
@leifaregis2554
Жыл бұрын
In short buy most of top LG TV products like Qned90 or C1 C2, you can never go wrong when it comes to gaming features or Samsung neoQled have best of both worlds movie’s & gaming.
@TylerStout
Жыл бұрын
Seems like nobody knows how to make a standard these days. We are on the 8th USB 3.2 standard it feels like and so many things are optional without a badge to indicate it.
@NextNate03
Жыл бұрын
Technically, it would be False Advertising. Hasn't been legal in USA since 1914.
@alexlanning712
Жыл бұрын
It all depends on the processor, doesnt it, Shea?I've got a Sony 50" which cost me a lot in(Au$) but I'm happy for my Atmos AVR
@chanm01
Жыл бұрын
This seems like the type of question that has an obvious answer, but why do both HDMI and DisplayPort need to continue to exist? Yes, they serve broadly different markets, but... don't they technically serve the same _purpose_ ? Is it an ecosystem thing?
@RTINGSdotcom
Жыл бұрын
There are some bandwidth limitations as well. In some cases, displayport will work at higher refresh rates than HDMI!
@christoferkuchler6786
Жыл бұрын
Very well done video. Thank you
@hawk21372
Жыл бұрын
I had my eye on an LG Nano886, which supposedly ticks all the boxes, hdmi 2.1. The only thing that was putting me off was the panel, which is edge lit, and poor local dimming. But for 750 euro it seemed like good value for a gaming tv. After watching this I'm even more sceptical. I know oled is the best for picture quality and features, but panel life is the issue with oled TV's. I've heard that 5 years is the most you can expect to get out of an oled panel if you're lucky. It's a bit of a conundrum alright.
@MrSmurf1982
Жыл бұрын
Great TV, only problem is you might want to switch local dimming to off.
@ldooml4959
Жыл бұрын
This video is 3 years to late this should came up when the Q90R from samsung was releas.
@mokabz1867
Жыл бұрын
Hi there I have the new hitachi 58 4k but the hdmi 2.1 is not supported
@dikdun7704
Жыл бұрын
I am an owner of a LG C2 65inch oled with 4 HDMI 2.1 but....everytime i fire up my Xbox x i get the screen that says, NO SIGNAL on my tv. Then i go to the menu that says hdmi deep color and chanching the 4K to 4K of! Then the picture returns. Then i press 4K back on and the 4K returns. Then i can play games. Also the LG tv can show DOLBY VISION this happens at the same time so maybe the error is to be find in that section
@michaelburton5198
Жыл бұрын
Hey Guys.... I Would Love ❤️ To See 👀 U Guys Do Vid On The New Labtops , Alienware M18 And Asus Zenbook/ Ect.Ect Cause These Are Best I've Seen So Far In The Coming New Year, But Other's Maybe Better, Rather IT'S Gaming Labtops Or The Standard One's, Thanks Guys, I Would Definitely Appreciate it!!!!
@RTINGSdotcom
Жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, thanks for the suggestion. We'll make sure to pass this along to our video team to keep in mind. However, it's also worth mentioning that even though we may not always publish a video, we do put a lot of reviews up on our website! www.rtings.com/laptop
@happyhoildays2010
Жыл бұрын
Man y’all can’t tell me he don’t look like big white guy from Cobra Kai 😂😂🤣🤣
@AboO_OALOHZ
2 ай бұрын
Does it says 4k uhd , 144hz , or the advertiser said lnly hdmi 2.1
@MARTIN-jc1qw
Жыл бұрын
One day video top monitor gaming hybride ? Gp27u?
@shkarazad97
Жыл бұрын
Happened to me just bought tcl c635 cause hdmi 2.1 and 120hz(dlg) it's not supporting 4kand120hz great tv but very misleading specs
@jeremymiller3305
Жыл бұрын
Nobody is honest. TV manufacturers lie to the consumer's face! This has been basically been a disaster! You will think HDMI 2.1 will be an improvement over HDMI2.0. I think the chip inside the cables have been faulty. Even if it claims your tv. supports 4K 120 HZ, you don't have that signal.
@CalvinTennessee
Жыл бұрын
This video is playing games. If you have an HDMI 2.1 but your TV does not support 120hz then it’s just there for atmos/dtx x support. This really isn’t that hard.
@Deltax5
Жыл бұрын
Buddy got a lg c1. Is that true HDMI 2.1? why do they always skimp out on other connections.?
@Schanny17
Жыл бұрын
Well done Shea👍
@BigWisper
Жыл бұрын
Always watch reviews. Never trust these companies
@bobd7384
Жыл бұрын
This was a terrible change. Talk about lies and deception, the organization should be either force out of existence or re-organized. I am surprised the EU allowed this to happen. When is a turkey not a turkey, when no one stops paying attention, then it becomes a donkey.
@watchmen22
Жыл бұрын
There is enough bandwidth on HDMI 2.0 to run 4k 120Hz or 60Hz with HDR, but you can't run 120Hz and HDR at the same time.
@mr.ihabissa8442
Жыл бұрын
And Some Tvs do have hdmi 2.1 ports and their internal processor doesnot capable of handling that .. like TVs with MediaTek SoC , that halfs the resolution @ 120hz input ( 3840 × 1080p instead of 3840 × 2160p).. this is big fake scam .. Sony X85k , 85j , Hisense U8H , U7H , U7G, U8G , TCL C835 miniled etc..
@danf9779
Жыл бұрын
Rtings, please, tell me, what is the best gamma for gaming? Samsung tv. 2.2 or bt. 1886?
@RTINGSdotcom
Жыл бұрын
Different companies have been arguing over that question for decades, and there’s no right answer answer unfortunately. Ultimately, you should set it to whatever looks best to you, but It’ll vary between content and even depending on your lighting conditions when you’re watching. 2.2 or 2.4 is generally accepted as the best overall, but again, some stuff is mastered lower and Apple has sworn by 1.8 gamma for decades.
@juni0r_forlife724
Жыл бұрын
Hello. Please help me find a FHD monitor that works in 60Hz with a very good input lag and response time, without ghosting, thank you!
@aftasarden2
Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous change. HDMI 2.1 should support the current spec it was developed for!
@blshbloushi4201
Жыл бұрын
Why is there no review on Samsung the serif ????
@RTINGSdotcom
Жыл бұрын
There just hasn't been enough user interest unfortunately. It's on our suggestion list though, so feel free to go vote for it! www.rtings.com/review-pipeline
@jonnibasmaji9149
Жыл бұрын
Thoughts on lg nano96
@angelquintana2649
Жыл бұрын
I have an s95b and Samsung claims all hdmi ports are 2.1; however, in my Xbox series x it doesn’t even support 4K. It say it is not available on my tv and can only support 1080p. Anyone know what could be wrong?
@ryan_rtings
Жыл бұрын
If the Xbox isnt auto detected by the TV to set the input up properly, you might have to enable "Input Signal Plus" in the TVs menu to enable the full bandwidth for the port you are using.
@angelquintana2649
Жыл бұрын
Fixed. So I had it on hdmi 4 and switch it to hdmi 1. Was able to chose all the 4K and hdr options. Interesting that Samsung doesn’t specify which port will work best for these settings.
@emack8136
Жыл бұрын
No.your mistaken all 4 hdmi ports have 4k 120 hdmi 2.1 you need to turn on input signal plus on for each hdmi port in the connection settings off the tv.then you will get all green ticks on your Xbox except dolby vision ,as Samsung doesn't have it
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